Correct me if im wrong but didnt mitchell have like 13 college starts. Or was it he played 13 games. Can you give me a reason why they past on Watson and Pat
@@inglewoodpyro1233 But let's not all of sudden act as if we knew Mahomes would be this good. The Bears picked who they picked and now gotta live with it. It's easy now to 2nd guess.
yeah talk about it so maybe they wont do it again. stop being so passive that they can choose a pick that affects your team. no wonder u guys never get a decent quarterbacks
It's a lot more complicated than that, yah it's TRUE he is playing better than Mitch, however the offense of the bears is horrible in all aspects from the oline to the receivers dropping easy catches to the play calling. It's not just Mitch
AfroKenny Robinson and Anthony Miller are both playmakers so is Turbo Taylor and they have an offensive line but when your team is demoralized because the QB play is so bad yeah things get shitty. Trubisky IS the reason dude runs out of the pocket when there’s great blocking he has no sense of pass rush and gets paranoid he throw interceptions doesn’t have a feel for coverages it was a BAD PICK compared to the other first round QBs
@@waseemal3951 Receivers aren't dropping easy passes. Mitch isn't throwing good passes. He can barely complete a pass to the flat. He has no confidence in the pocket what so ever
Saints are undefeated without brees, so basically any QB could have success if they had Sean Payton as a coach lol of course that will NEVER be a story with the Saints, it only applies to the patriots and Brady 😂
Why wasnt you laughing at them when they FIRST drafted hin ? Oh right because you didnt know Mahomes would turn out this good. You can clown them for Watson for sure. But let's not act like he knew Mahomes was gonna be the next big thing .Hate when analyst talk in hindsight to make themselves look smart. I think he learned his lesson from when the Knicks drafted Porzingis.
Kimbrough Films Thank you. I’m a bears fan and I get tired of hearing that. Yeah we all know the bears should have never traded up to get the 2nd pick but it ain’t a guarantee that Mahomes would have been good cuz the bears offense was shitty the year trubisky, mahomes, and Watson were drafted
Big facts! No one knew Mahomes was gonna be good unless you seriously watch college ball. All these mainstream media analyst don't want college ball and pretend to know the elite players coming out.
Its not their job to know if draft prospects will do good. It IS however the job of NFL teams. Their job is to analyze and criticize the outcome of how good of a job NFL teams do. Which they are. Obviously Kansas City saw something in Mahomes no one else did. Its Stephens job to criticize football teams decisions, not make them for them
Stephen A the draft expert after the fact and three years later. 🤦♂️ What a prodigy! I didn’t like it when it happened and especially because they traded up to do it for no reason to take him.
It is time for the Bears to move on from Trubisky! The man will never be anything more than a game manager; a Alex Smith at best. I broke down on my channel today why they should cut their loses and move on. 🤷♂️
Sports with Nick I respect your hustle bro but you didn’t break anything down you just said he’s a game manager over and over again without suggesting a legitimate course of action for post Mitch if they were to move on .
He should become a GM, he is so smart he could make what ever team he chooses a Super Bowl camp in 2 or 3 years. He should have been laughing at the Bears the last 15 years for not getting Rogers who was picked 24th, they selected lower but a 1st and a couple of 2nds would have gotten that QB. Grossman looked not much better than Rosen did for Arizona and it would have been a no brainer to get a Hall of Famer.
@BM32 ok and 17 yards rushing....New England wouldnt win if they had 17 yards rushing total thats why our offense is trash.....they tryna play mitch like he is Mahomes when he isnt they want him to throw it a million times make big plays bt its always our run game that kept us in games dont believe me look how our run game been since Jordan Howard left.......
Mahomes : He’s kinda a project so no one knows what they will get from him Watson : He’s an National Champions, most NFL ready QB, and you passed on him Well, Pace. Drop the ball big time huh?
How is Steven a going to sit there and act like Teddy Bridgewater didn't help the saints get five in a row; and say that was all Drew Brees when he's been sidelined for the past five weeks. Smh
Saints defense has moved to top 10... saints offense is bottom 10... I definitely think it’s the defense... teddy just did what he was ask to do.. not turn the ball over
Trubisky look like a NFL quality QB from Hollywood actors central casting portfolio! That is the prime reason the Bear draft Trubisky! He look the part!
It does happen to every team at some point but the reality for the Chicago Bears this happens every time when they try to pick a quarterback whether drafting or trading for one
We could have had Chris Ballard as our GM but he wanted to make big changes and the McCaskeys did not want that so they passed on him! yeah god forbid we make changes to this franchise!
You're right. I'm from Louisiana and the fans were so pissed about how the season ended the last two years. what happened last year and the year before transformed this Saints team into a mentally strong and more cohesive group. They are all focused from the GM to the coaches to the players. They are motivated and ready to make a run. There's a chip on their shoulders and they're playing with an edge. They don't care about the outside talk from critics and non believers, they believe in themselves and the WHODAT nation believes in them. Saints are hungry and it shows in their play week in and week out. That's a strong team.
I’ve said this once I’ll say it again, drafts are always and forever 20/20 hindsight and I say this because rankings, projections, mock drafts, etc existed for that draft and for those projections and rankings a lot of them showed Mitch was the highest ranked qb and went befor mahomes and watson in mock drafts
Amen. Theres a reason Hall of famers go late in the draft. Scouting isn't a perfect science alot of intangibles go unnoticed. I hate these hindsight draft conversations.
Still doesn’t give the bears a pass on passing On Watson lol. He just beat Alabama in the championship. I can get passing on Mahomes. And the fact that they moved up to get Trubisky. That’s a disastrous pick lol
Rene Junior I’m not denying it’s a bad pick it is but don’t act like people weren’t putting trubisky ahead of mahomes and watson, you and I are not nfl scouts and there’s a reason we have these conversations because drafting for a sport like football is one of the trickiest things to get right
@@jerrykwerve8660 no he wont reality is that he got an extension the same time nagy was hired and the owners already had to pay off Emery and Trestman. Bottom line is pace and nagy are going to get another shot at finding a franchise qb. Nagy didnt draft mitch yet his dumbass took the job to develop him and has failed. He either needs to hand off play calling duties or fire the qb coach.
I’m from Chicago and can admit how awful a choice we made. Trubisky has had 3 years to “develop” and he’s still the same player. I think we could have won a Super Bowl last year with Mahomes. For whatever reason, Chicago’s franchise keeps losing everything to gain subpar quarterbacks.
Well stephen A or nobody else will say it. Prejudice or Racism had something to do with the Chicago Bears passing up on the best QB in the draft, Which was in the national Championship game two years in a row. If you dont believe it then you are very naive. I'm from Chicago. It is still segregated.
You people always bring up race in everything. Employment- what race are you, drivers license- what race, doctor- race,dentist-race,buy a gun,attend college,loans. Y'all get my point.
The failure of the Bears is on the coaching staff and front office management. Matt Nagy is at fault for the Offense. Chuck Pagano is at fault for the defense slipping lately. Ryan Pace is at fault for drafting Mitch Trubisky, trading Jordan Howard, and NOT FIXING THE OL after they got abused by the Eagles in the Wildcard Game. Think about these transactions in their offseason: Signed Bobbie Massie to a 4 year contract. Signed Ted Larsen to a 1 year contract. Traded RB Jordan Howard for a 6th round pick. Signed RB Mike Davis. Lost Nickel CB Bryce Callahan. Signed Nickel CB Buster Skrine. Lost SS Adrian Amos. Signed S HaHa Clinton-Dix. Cut K Cody Parkey. Signed K Eddy Pineiro. Signed WR/KR Cordarrelle Patterson. Drafted RB David Montgomery, CB Duke Shelley, WR Riley Ridley, RB Kerrith Whyte, CB Stephen Denmark. And then the coaching staff spent the majority of their time worrying about the Kicking competition. Meanwhile, the same holes in the OL still exist, Kyle Long is still useless 6 games into any season, the team doesn't have a true starting C and the LT is a penalty machine. These problems all existed at the end of last season. How and why they were ignored is the real issue.
As a Falcon's fan, I can say the way New Orleans got robbed may help them from getting screwed again but history tends to repeat itself. With how shaky the officiating has been this year, I don't dare predict anything. I can say they are one if the few complete teams that can win it all.
I'm a Saints fan and would love to see it, but I don't trust the NFL, I think they want this to be Aaron Rogers year. 100 year anniversary, first Super Bowl: Packers beat the Chiefs. I would bet the Packers and Chiefs will be in the Super Bowl.
Mahomes is playing in division playoff passing for 324 yards 3 tds. I am so happy the Bears didn't pick him over TruBiscuit. Ryan Pace should be fired immediately and TruBiscuit released.
A few teams that needed a quarterback passed on Mahomes. That includes the Browns who took Garrett 1st overall. The 49ers, at the time, needed a QB. The Jets and Jacksonville both needed QB's as well. Hind sight is always 20/20. I don't think anyone had Mahomes ahead of Trubisky as a prospect. In fact it was Trubisky, Watson then Mahomes according to most football experts.
Everyone is already commenting what I was going to say lol no one was high on Mahomes in the draft, everyone said the Chiefs took him too high, hindsight is 20/20
How about picking up Mariota? 4th-5th round pick for him this season or in the offseason. He's not phenomenal but might be a better fit and right now would come at a pretty low price.
It is a good thing that you are not an executive for an NFL team if that is your logic when drafting. What you do in college should have no bearing on your draft status.
We could have had Chris Ballard as our GM but he wanted to make big changes and the McCaskeys did not want that so they passed on him! yeah god forbid we make changes to this franchise!
@@robertpreston2220 Pace has made huge changes too, and he's done a good job. Ballard has had it way easier in Indy, he walked into a situation with not 1 but 2 good qbs and a solid roster. Pace had nothing.
Demetrius Lewis you realize it wasn’t just throws pressure caused the misses and could good tips and defensive plays caused then those could still hold back pat and Watson
I'm a Bears and Chiefs fan, so I knew on that Thursday night in 2017, I was witnessing a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence of the Chiefs and Bears being aggressive in drafting a QB. The issue I had immediately, as the announcement of moving from #3 to #2 became known, was the Bears were so easily goaded into thinking the 49ers were taking ANY QB at the start of a new regime with long-term contracts and many holes to fill before you bring in a "franchise" QB.
Do you know what the most maddening part of this all is.. That same GM kept his job all the way until last year.. What a fkin joke! To bad u cant fire owners as well!!
Impressed by saints who dat we got cheated last year this is our year sleep on the saints if you want to we can stop the run and the pass we have a great RB1 and a kicker that doesn't miss.
I get it that it's hard for the media and fanbase to get over the fact that Trubisky went over Mahomes and Watson but as a Chicago born and raised resident is is non-biased...let's keep it real for a second. 1. Deshaun Watson as good as he was in college proved to be very injury prone. he tore his acl before the end of his freshman year. He played with injuries and missed games throughout his college career. He suffered another acl tear during his rookie season in the NFL. Not to mention the fact that he arguably has had one of the best receiving core units in all of pro football with Deandre Hopkins and will fuller being there from day 1. So teams were hesitant to move up to draft him due to the uncertainty of his durability long term. Is he still good? Yes but he has to win big playoff games to prove his value 2. Patrick was not talked about as the top QB in this draft. Kansas city didn't even expect him to play as soon as he did because Alex Smith was still there franchise QB at the time. He also had the benefit of having an offensive unit loaded with all pro Wide recievers, a running back and a TE. He has the best arm talent without question 3. Trubisky was not expected to start until this year for chicago initally. Mike Glennon was supposed to be the starter for 2 seasons but he was so bad that the bears were forced to play Mitch way earlier than he was ready to play. He was supposed to have time to develop behind closed doors before every taking a snap as a starter. Trubisky also had a recieving core full of guys that no one even remembers his 1st season and the recieving core is still not that great today. He has the least amount of offensive talent around him compared to the other two guys. Tarik Cohen was the only offensive pro bowler and he went for special teams! bottom line is this: On paper it is very easy to see that deshaun and Patrick are better than Mitch. This debate however will mean nothing if neither of these guys can win a superbowl with their teams. It isn't Mitch's fault he was taken over those other guys. systems make QB's! I would argue that its no guarantee that those guys would be as productive without top level offensive talent around them as well. Mitch has average recievers at best and that is a fact.
@@georgecouvson668 Reuben Foster and Solomon Thomas are busts. You have to acknowledge that, I don't care how you want to sugar coat it. Another pick isn't with the team so that's another bust. Trubisky maybe a bust but the Niners bust the biggest picks themselves already.
Here we go again....let’s continue to focus more on the teams that lose instead of how great the saints are...WE GET NO LOVE ON ESPN🤷🏽♂️ Who Dat 💯 Oh we going and we winning it🏟
Saints = 5-0 without Brees Soooooo.....are you ladies gonna keep that same energy you do with Brady and call Brees a system qb or are you ladies just gonna admit y'all are a bunch of haters? 🤔
Yeah, because the Saints actually have a competent defense and a running game. Let's not act like the Saints would've went 5-0 if Brees suffered an injury like this in 2015 or 2016.
Skip Bayless was the only person in media repping Patrick Mahomes. He said Watson and Mahomes were the best QB’s in the draft. He isn’t right often, but he nailed that.
Thays notbtrue at all, before the combine process he was the neck and beck with trubisky as the #2 qb in the draft. Everyone knew he had the best arm talent but playing in the air raid was seen as a negative... somehow trubisky was able to rise in the combine process even tho he didnt have the arm or experience mahomes did and he didnt have the success or experience that watson had.
We could have had Chris Ballard as our GM but he wanted to make big changes and the McCaskeys did not want that so they passed on him! yeah god forbid we make changes to this franchise!
I'm from Chicago south side Stephan A I'm glad u laugh at the bears they a joke no offense defense on the field to long coach naggy playbook expose😫😒 bye turbisky
bye Trubisky, Pace and Nagy...Nagy is the reason we lost to the Raiders, winning the gane and we get a running into the kicker and then proceed to give up a fake punt with the defense on the field...horrible coaching (planning and discipline is the most important qualities imbued from a coach)
I'm going to defend the bears mahomes wasn't on anybody radar but the offensive genius Andy Reid. now them passing on Watson was the crime!
Jeremycole Mahomes is a better QB than Trubisky
@@benmangrum8626 ik but at the draft alot of people viewed them close
Jeremycole If I were the Bears going into the 2017 draft I would’ve drafted either Mahomes or Watson
I agree, Mahomes is far better, but probably needed the year under Alex Smith and being coached up by Andy Reid.
Correct me if im wrong but didnt mitchell have like 13 college starts. Or was it he played 13 games. Can you give me a reason why they past on Watson and Pat
Are we still talking about this. I understand Watson but none of these voices had Mahomes high in that draft.
That's what I'm saying.
@@inglewoodpyro1233 But let's not all of sudden act as if we knew Mahomes would be this good. The Bears picked who they picked and now gotta live with it. It's easy now to 2nd guess.
Right
That's what scouts are paid so handsomely for. Mahomes threw 50tds in college someone should've seen that
yeah talk about it so maybe they wont do it again. stop being so passive that they can choose a pick that affects your team. no wonder u guys never get a decent quarterbacks
If you had Mahomes on the Bears you would have to score 30 points minimum against that Bears defense to win.
It's a lot more complicated than that, yah it's TRUE he is playing better than Mitch, however the offense of the bears is horrible in all aspects from the oline to the receivers dropping easy catches to the play calling. It's not just Mitch
What playmakers do the Bears have like Kansas City that makes you think that'd be the case?
AfroKenny Robinson and Anthony Miller are both playmakers so is Turbo Taylor and they have an offensive line but when your team is demoralized because the QB play is so bad yeah things get shitty. Trubisky IS the reason dude runs out of the pocket when there’s great blocking he has no sense of pass rush and gets paranoid he throw interceptions doesn’t have a feel for coverages it was a BAD PICK compared to the other first round QBs
Stop lying
@@waseemal3951 Receivers aren't dropping easy passes. Mitch isn't throwing good passes. He can barely complete a pass to the flat. He has no confidence in the pocket what so ever
Remember Stephen A said the Saints season was over after week 2.
😂
Captain Kirby the saints remember lol
I also thought the Saints season was over too
But he won't talk about that though ⚜
Saints are undefeated without brees, so basically any QB could have success if they had Sean Payton as a coach lol of course that will NEVER be a story with the Saints, it only applies to the patriots and Brady 😂
The Bears defense is pretty much being asked to play offense.
Sad but true my man
Go to Green Bay Mack and eddid
The pats defense seems to be doing that
He wouldn’t wanna play for a inbred town
Bears defense are gonna have to get 2 or three pick sixes a game to even win.
Why wasnt you laughing at them when they FIRST drafted hin ? Oh right because you didnt know Mahomes would turn out this good. You can clown them for Watson for sure. But let's not act like he knew Mahomes was gonna be the next big thing .Hate when analyst talk in hindsight to make themselves look smart. I think he learned his lesson from when the Knicks drafted Porzingis.
Fax
Kimbrough Films Thank you. I’m a bears fan and I get tired of hearing that. Yeah we all know the bears should have never traded up to get the 2nd pick but it ain’t a guarantee that Mahomes would have been good cuz the bears offense was shitty the year trubisky, mahomes, and Watson were drafted
Big facts! No one knew Mahomes was gonna be good unless you seriously watch college ball. All these mainstream media analyst don't want college ball and pretend to know the elite players coming out.
Its not their job to know if draft prospects will do good. It IS however the job of NFL teams. Their job is to analyze and criticize the outcome of how good of a job NFL teams do. Which they are. Obviously Kansas City saw something in Mahomes no one else did. Its Stephens job to criticize football teams decisions, not make them for them
Right SA trying to downplay Max prediction on the Saints staying at least 500 because he thought it would be over lol
Stephen A the draft expert after the fact and three years later. 🤦♂️ What a prodigy! I didn’t like it when it happened and especially because they traded up to do it for no reason to take him.
It is time for the Bears to move on from Trubisky! The man will never be anything more than a game manager; a Alex Smith at best. I broke down on my channel today why they should cut their loses and move on. 🤷♂️
Sports with Nick I respect your hustle bro but you didn’t break anything down you just said he’s a game manager over and over again without suggesting a legitimate course of action for post Mitch if they were to move on .
@@culu37 Appreciate that. Sell everything to get THE guy you believe in this year.
He should become a GM, he is so smart he could make what ever team he chooses a Super Bowl camp in 2 or 3 years. He should have been laughing at the Bears the last 15 years for not getting Rogers who was picked 24th, they selected lower but a 1st and a couple of 2nds would have gotten that QB. Grossman looked not much better than Rosen did for Arizona and it would have been a no brainer to get a Hall of Famer.
@@culu37 Easton Stick! Chargers not doing great either. Let's Run it ! 👊🐻👇
To be fair none of these "experts" said Patrick Maholmes should go at number 2 before the draft.
QBs mature later than most positions in football, so it's hard to tell at 22 who will be great at 30. Tom Brady wasn't a stud QB out of the gate.
rishi patel Stephen a Smith did say the bears should draft Watson at 3rd
Kansas traded from #27 to #10 to select Mahomes
Them Bears WR Need To Call They QB Out Like The Vikings Had Done ✅
Kirk can throw, this guy can't. He's finished goods.
Wouldn't make a difference. Mitch can't throw to his left or really be accurate at all
Lol I said the same thing man
The CITY NEEDS TO TOO.
@BM32 ok and 17 yards rushing....New England wouldnt win if they had 17 yards rushing total thats why our offense is trash.....they tryna play mitch like he is Mahomes when he isnt they want him to throw it a million times make big plays bt its always our run game that kept us in games dont believe me look how our run game been since Jordan Howard left.......
Mahomes : He’s kinda a project so no one knows what they will get from him
Watson : He’s an National Champions, most NFL ready QB, and you passed on him
Well, Pace. Drop the ball big time huh?
Muhammad Barokah well Mahoney did get a year before he played. Watson started right away if I’m not mistaken
@@vegjeezy17 Watson tore his acl.
Frodo his rookie?
@@vegjeezy17 yeah tore his acl his rookie season.
Frodo which is even worse for Mitch, that Watson tore his acl and still puts up better numbers.
The Bears were idiots to pass up both Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson
They also passed up on the GOAT Nathan Peterman
Ben Mangrum and Chicago was dum for not. Voting trump
@@candymiguel5769 What?
Amazing how much easier it is to judge a player after the draft than it is before, huh?
Hindsight is 2020
Mitch making us bears fans miss Jay Cutler.
Andrew Phassos oof
Andrew Phassos you guys should just stick with chase Daniel
Andrew Phassos facts!!!
Whoa whoa, now lol
Jay could make every throw in the book.
They tried to throw Bridgewater under the bridge
To drown in the water😂😂😂
No one knew Mahomes was going to play like that, all bears fans wanted Watson
Except andy!
Not me I'm a bears fan and I want Patrick in the draft
How is Steven a going to sit there and act like Teddy Bridgewater didn't help the saints get five in a row; and say that was all Drew Brees when he's been sidelined for the past five weeks. Smh
Cesar Zapata he knows he was wrong and he looks stupid right now
Saints defense has moved to top 10... saints offense is bottom 10... I definitely think it’s the defense... teddy just did what he was ask to do.. not turn the ball over
Cesar Zapata he’s an idiot
I believe Stephen A. The bears defense gave up on purpose because they are tired of Trubisky
They should of put Chase in
Never liked Trubisky, never will. He didn't deserve to drafted that high. Not ever.
The NERO I hear you white boi
Trubisky look like a NFL quality QB from Hollywood actors central casting portfolio! That is the prime reason the Bear draft Trubisky! He look the part!
@@Agent77X His ethnicity was his calling card
It's the worst draft ever Chicago bears passed in Mahomes and Watson how stupid im a bears fan
SAS: 😂
Bears Fans: 😭
I felt sorry when they booed him 😭
Raiders fans with that #1 pick this year: 😁
@@kurthardy9476 Bears will finish with a better record
Cortez
Nah. Bears have 1-3 wins at most left in schedule. Raiders still play Chargers twice, Broncos, Jets, Bengals, Jags, and Titans.
Carl Rice preach brother
AND Deshaun Watson
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Derek Garret she can cook too I’m a subscriber! 😀
Leave it to YT for thirsty comments
U didn’t watch the video huh?
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Bears should just trade for Cam Newton
Stop it we not giving him up
Or sign Collin Kaepernick
So replacing Mitch Kissin Titties with older, more injury prone, less media friendly Mitch Kissin Titties?
80siowil it's possible bruh. Carolina fans really trying to push him out.
devang88 or coax Brock Osweiler out of retirement
my god, this has happened to every team since the beginning of the drafts creation,like this is some hard hitting journalism
It does happen to every team at some point but the reality for the Chicago Bears this happens every time when they try to pick a quarterback whether drafting or trading for one
He is the new Blake bortles lol
Bortles actually throws it deep
Idk about much, but at least he wasnt scared to bomb it down the field. It was nothing but checkdowns and overthrows yesterday
Nah he's Nathan Trubisky
@@eugenerollins985 nah, he doesnt throw the picks. Hes a poor mans Mariota.
We could have had Chris Ballard as our GM but he wanted to make big changes and the McCaskeys did not want that so they passed on him! yeah god forbid we make changes to this franchise!
This Saints team is legit. No Kamara, Cooks, or Brees and still blew out a good Bears team
Can’t wait to see 49ers vs Saints
thelegendsqb1 I can’t either it should be a great game
You're right. I'm from Louisiana and the fans were so pissed about how the season ended the last two years. what happened last year and the year before transformed this Saints team into a mentally strong and more cohesive group. They are all focused from the GM to the coaches to the players. They are motivated and ready to make a run. There's a chip on their shoulders and they're playing with an edge. They don't care about the outside talk from critics and non believers, they believe in themselves and the WHODAT nation believes in them. Saints are hungry and it shows in their play week in and week out. That's a strong team.
Bears are not good. We are mediocre
eoe123321 I agree 💯
I can't get over how much I'm enjoying Stephen A when he is fully engaged in the show.
After Illinois beat #6 Wisoconsin I'm sure lovie smith was enjoying that bears game more than anyone yesterday.
Free lovie
Nagy smh
It’s not Mitch’s fault that the Bears drafted him to be their starting QB...
Stephen A so hurt I’ve been waiting for someone to call him about them saints comments but I guess we sweep it under the rug lol
4:43 Stephen A felt so good saying Mike Singletary’s name😂😂😂 he wants people to think he knows football
I Guarantee he knows more than you.
I’ve said this once I’ll say it again, drafts are always and forever 20/20 hindsight and I say this because rankings, projections, mock drafts, etc existed for that draft and for those projections and rankings a lot of them showed Mitch was the highest ranked qb and went befor mahomes and watson in mock drafts
Zach Stolpa well Andy Reid if an offensive great so he definitely helped with mahomes development
Amen. Theres a reason Hall of famers go late in the draft. Scouting isn't a perfect science alot of intangibles go unnoticed. I hate these hindsight draft conversations.
Still doesn’t give the bears a pass on passing On Watson lol. He just beat Alabama in the championship. I can get passing on Mahomes. And the fact that they moved up to get Trubisky. That’s a disastrous pick lol
Rene Junior Watson should’ve been the 1st QB off the board
Rene Junior I’m not denying it’s a bad pick it is but don’t act like people weren’t putting trubisky ahead of mahomes and watson, you and I are not nfl scouts and there’s a reason we have these conversations because drafting for a sport like football is one of the trickiest things to get right
If Allen Robinson had a qb like Mahomes, he would be a 1400 yard receiver every year.
Our receiving group is good just qb and plays costing them
Kabir Bariana he’s extremely underrated
Tom Brady Is The G.O.A.T big facts man, hes just never had someone reliable throwing the ball towards him
Ryan Pace will regret drafting Trubisky at #2 for the rest of his career as a GM
He'll be fired
@@jerrykwerve8660 no he wont reality is that he got an extension the same time nagy was hired and the owners already had to pay off Emery and Trestman. Bottom line is pace and nagy are going to get another shot at finding a franchise qb. Nagy didnt draft mitch yet his dumbass took the job to develop him and has failed. He either needs to hand off play calling duties or fire the qb coach.
Also regret signing Mike Glennon for Trubisky to learn from.
As a bears fan that lives in Kansas, it’s painful.
Why does everyone forget that Watson was the third qb take and the one that was the easy choice
I’m a bears fan and knowing that they traded up to draft Trubisky keeps me awake at night 😭
They could've drafted Ronald McDonald if they wanted. Basically you have no voice to that team
I’m from Chicago and can admit how awful a choice we made. Trubisky has had 3 years to “develop” and he’s still the same player. I think we could have won a Super Bowl last year with Mahomes. For whatever reason, Chicago’s franchise keeps losing everything to gain subpar quarterbacks.
As A bears fan we shoulda drafted Patrick M.
Crazy the only time y’all talk about the Bears is when we lose
Yep.
You either suck or irrelevant
True
Bullshit. All off season the bears were contenders and hadn't lost a game yet
@@tmlynarski6878 and no media analyst ever talked about them even after last year
True. Same with Kirk Cousins. When Cousins has his many good games, they will not talk about his performance. However, in his bad games they will.
"And as for you"
Stephen A smith
Clown franchise for drafting Trubisky
Gocalla Great defense bad offense
@@benmangrum8626 super bowl champion calibre defense
@@Willworld. true
They also have a bad track record of hiring ineffective head coaches.
Mccaskey and pace dumb dumb of 2017
The draft doesn’t guarantee production.. Time and action will show who will stand out
Datway
Watson was the most pro ready QB. No excuse not to pass on him
And....
Stephen A. That Suit Brother: Your Winning 👍🏾! Max; You need a Red Tie to finish The Hitman Suit 😂🤣🙃
Im really just here to hear Stephen A. Smith say "Chicargo"
Thank god this is finally going mainstream, THANK YOU STEVEN A!
Teddy’s knee exploded. Imagine how stacked Minnesota would’ve been if that never happened.
Max would make a great actor😂😂All of the theatrics 😂😂
Well stephen A or nobody else will say it. Prejudice or Racism had something to do with the Chicago Bears passing up on the best QB in the draft, Which was in the national Championship game two years in a row. If you dont believe it then you are very naive. I'm from Chicago. It is still segregated.
You people always bring up race in everything. Employment- what race are you, drivers license- what race, doctor- race,dentist-race,buy a gun,attend college,loans. Y'all get my point.
Agree with Max on this. Mobility doesn't have to indicate a color. Steve Young who won a Superbowl 1st to prove a mobile QB can win it all
The failure of the Bears is on the coaching staff and front office management. Matt Nagy is at fault for the Offense. Chuck Pagano is at fault for the defense slipping lately. Ryan Pace is at fault for drafting Mitch Trubisky, trading Jordan Howard, and NOT FIXING THE OL after they got abused by the Eagles in the Wildcard Game.
Think about these transactions in their offseason:
Signed Bobbie Massie to a 4 year contract. Signed Ted Larsen to a 1 year contract. Traded RB Jordan Howard for a 6th round pick. Signed RB Mike Davis. Lost Nickel CB Bryce Callahan.
Signed Nickel CB Buster Skrine. Lost SS Adrian Amos. Signed S HaHa Clinton-Dix.
Cut K Cody Parkey. Signed K Eddy Pineiro. Signed WR/KR Cordarrelle Patterson. Drafted RB David Montgomery, CB Duke Shelley, WR Riley Ridley, RB Kerrith Whyte, CB Stephen Denmark.
And then the coaching staff spent the majority of their time worrying about the Kicking competition. Meanwhile, the same holes in the OL still exist, Kyle Long is still useless 6 games into any season, the team doesn't have a true starting C and the LT is a penalty machine. These problems all existed at the end of last season. How and why they were ignored is the real issue.
Stephen A's expression at 1:49 is how I feel everyday.
I'm willing to bet the Saints will win the SB this year after back-to-back heartbreaking loses in the playoffs
As a Falcon's fan, I can say the way New Orleans got robbed may help them from getting screwed again but history tends to repeat itself. With how shaky the officiating has been this year, I don't dare predict anything. I can say they are one if the few complete teams that can win it all.
I'm a Saints fan and would love to see it, but I don't trust the NFL, I think they want this to be Aaron Rogers year. 100 year anniversary, first Super Bowl: Packers beat the Chiefs. I would bet the Packers and Chiefs will be in the Super Bowl.
As a Saints fan, I'd love nothing more than that! But I don't trust the NFL not to screw us, again.
I so loved FirstTake years ago. Stephen A. is gold!! He is my favorite sports talk personality!!
Come on guys, we Bears fans already know this....... No need to make us suffer even more 😫
Mahomes is playing in division playoff passing for 324 yards 3 tds. I am so happy the Bears didn't pick him over TruBiscuit. Ryan Pace should be fired immediately and TruBiscuit released.
Everyone laughs when Steven a smith passes up on hairline transplant
Pretty soon when they shape up the back of his neck they'll be able to do his hairline in the same stroke.
A few teams that needed a quarterback passed on Mahomes. That includes the Browns who took Garrett 1st overall. The 49ers, at the time, needed a QB. The Jets and Jacksonville both needed QB's as well. Hind sight is always 20/20. I don't think anyone had Mahomes ahead of Trubisky as a prospect. In fact it was Trubisky, Watson then Mahomes according to most football experts.
Passed on Mahomes Watson L Jackson won't give Tyrod Taylor or Kap a call. The bears don't like black qbs.
Ryan Ward Lamar Jackson was in the 2018 draft
@@CH2716 i know we still passed on him
I didn't want to say it. lol. Kordell Stewart and Vince Evans dont count. lol.
Ryan pace not management material
Everyone is already commenting what I was going to say lol no one was high on Mahomes in the draft, everyone said the Chiefs took him too high, hindsight is 20/20
How about picking up Mariota? 4th-5th round pick for him this season or in the offseason. He's not phenomenal but might be a better fit and right now would come at a pretty low price.
What about Teddy Bridgewater or the QB starting for the Panthers?
I think they should look into Cam Newton also. Might be risky considering his injury history but anything is better than Trubisky at this point
They probably will tbh. Bears OC was with Mariota at Oregon
what did the bears see in trubisky he just started 13 games and he went up against medicore competition
@Lucien Hicks oh yea bruh I'm sure that's it. You a clown fr
@Lucien Hicks they did that because they were black? Foh
It is a good thing that you are not an executive for an NFL team if that is your logic when drafting. What you do in college should have no bearing on your draft status.
As a bears fan I must say “get bumbitsky out of there ASAP”
*trubitchski
Passed on Mahomes and Watson for Mitch TruSHITsky😂😂
In pace’s mind Mitch is the second coming of Tom Brady lol.
We could have had Chris Ballard as our GM but he wanted to make big changes and the McCaskeys did not want that so they passed on him! yeah god forbid we make changes to this franchise!
@@robertpreston2220 Pace has made huge changes too, and he's done a good job. Ballard has had it way easier in Indy, he walked into a situation with not 1 but 2 good qbs and a solid roster. Pace had nothing.
@@younglord00 The qb in Indy is gone. Sadly we are stuck with this loser that Pace got us
@@robertpreston2220 Brissett is a stud and he was also on the roster when Ballard took the job
@@younglord00 ballard has done a great job I wish we had him but the bears never do anything right
happy to see that teddy is doing well. Missed him with the Vikings.
This whole time they talked about the bears & made excuses for them instead of giving saints there credit .
You got it they never can give the Saints credit the destroyed the Bears Cardinals are next
Because Mitch missed over 27 open receivers that's literally 4 more touchdowns for Mahomes and Watson hard to give credit to saints
Demetrius Lewis you realize it wasn’t just throws pressure caused the misses and could good tips and defensive plays caused then those could still hold back pat and Watson
@@dlou9547 dude really held your offense to 83 totalmyards through the 3 quarter shut down!
I'm a Bears and Chiefs fan, so I knew on that Thursday night in 2017, I was witnessing a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence of the Chiefs and Bears being aggressive in drafting a QB. The issue I had immediately, as the announcement of moving from #3 to #2 became known, was the Bears were so easily goaded into thinking the 49ers were taking ANY QB at the start of a new regime with long-term contracts and many holes to fill before you bring in a "franchise" QB.
I wish my bears drafted Patrick 😭😭😭
This segment hurts my soul. I was pissed when we passed Watson for the gold ole unproven white boy quarterback
@Overton Jones what u mean yall? If you want to say the Bears owners or management fine but dont include fans
@Overton Jones do you think a guy named jerome marshall is white? dude how small is ur brain
@Overton Jones the best quarterbacks definetly not black and mahomes and Wilson are mixed
No one knew Mahomes would be as good as he is. Trubisky was the Bears’ best option. They couldn’t predict the future
🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
the problem with the bears has always been the coach and the QB historical the bears is one deminsonal only.
Do you know what the most maddening part of this all is.. That same GM kept his job all the way until last year.. What a fkin joke! To bad u cant fire owners as well!!
Y’all remember when everybody said Trubisky about to have a break and MVP season 😂😂
Who said that.
Bears fans
Cortez no tf we didn’t😐😐 we knew he was Garbo from the jump
Dirty Weeb it was a poll on bleacher report saying Vegas had Trubisky having a MVP season this year cause he played good last year
Trubisky is the new Rex Grossman for the bears
Teddy "Bridge-over-troubled-Waters" 💪
Vegeta 1027 water should be singular. It is in both his name and in the song. Close
wow what an epic hot take thanks for your marvelous input that no one has said before
Impressed by saints who dat we got cheated last year this is our year sleep on the saints if you want to we can stop the run and the pass we have a great RB1 and a kicker that doesn't miss.
Jeffrey Moran you saints bandwagon fans are as annoying as cowboys fans.
No one is sleeping on them😂
I get it that it's hard for the media and fanbase to get over the fact that Trubisky went over Mahomes and Watson but as a Chicago born and raised resident is is non-biased...let's keep it real for a second.
1. Deshaun Watson as good as he was in college proved to be very injury prone. he tore his acl before the end of his freshman year. He played with injuries and missed games throughout his college career. He suffered another acl tear during his rookie season in the NFL. Not to mention the fact that he arguably has had one of the best receiving core units in all of pro football with Deandre Hopkins and will fuller being there from day 1. So teams were hesitant to move up to draft him due to the uncertainty of his durability long term. Is he still good? Yes but he has to win big playoff games to prove his value
2. Patrick was not talked about as the top QB in this draft. Kansas city didn't even expect him to play as soon as he did because Alex Smith was still there franchise QB at the time. He also had the benefit of having an offensive unit loaded with all pro Wide recievers, a running back and a TE. He has the best arm talent without question
3. Trubisky was not expected to start until this year for chicago initally. Mike Glennon was supposed to be the starter for 2 seasons but he was so bad that the bears were forced to play Mitch way earlier than he was ready to play. He was supposed to have time to develop behind closed doors before every taking a snap as a starter. Trubisky also had a recieving core full of guys that no one even remembers his 1st season and the recieving core is still not that great today. He has the least amount of offensive talent around him compared to the other two guys. Tarik Cohen was the only offensive pro bowler and he went for special teams!
bottom line is this: On paper it is very easy to see that deshaun and Patrick are better than Mitch. This debate however will mean nothing if neither of these guys can win a superbowl with their teams. It isn't Mitch's fault he was taken over those other guys. systems make QB's! I would argue that its no guarantee that those guys would be as productive without top level offensive talent around them as well. Mitch has average recievers at best and that is a fact.
Bears should trade for bridgewater after the season 👀👀
First round pick for him 😁
MsMrapplepie they would probably do that 😂
Bears have better chance trading for Cam Newton.
Or cam
Joe Cool And the Saints will draft Joe Burrow with their draft pick ;)
His first game back from injury and goes against a team that all around is good. That's tough for anyone.
i’m a bears fan and this is the smartest thing i have ever heard SAS say
He had me cracking up with "If there ain't no evidence then it doesn't exit it ain't that complicated!"
I began watching football in 2017...and even I knew Watson should’ve gone ahead of Tribisky
It was not logical. You could see at the time a case for either.
As a Niners fan, thank you for the draft picks Chicago 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol, blew almost all those picks though.
@@real-ishstraighttruthnocha1687Explain how again when yall on the outside looking in
@@georgecouvson668 Reuben Foster and Solomon Thomas are busts. You have to acknowledge that, I don't care how you want to sugar coat it. Another pick isn't with the team so that's another bust. Trubisky maybe a bust but the Niners bust the biggest picks themselves already.
Marti Thomas is a sold rotation guy right now.... but he’s not as bad at his job as Trubisky is at his
@@BNA_Est.1988 lets see what it is at the end of the year.
Saints looking like a REAL team
Here we go again....let’s continue to focus more on the teams that lose instead of how great the saints are...WE GET NO LOVE ON ESPN🤷🏽♂️
Who Dat 💯
Oh we going and we winning it🏟
Illadelphia Freeze patriots will spank you
God Garou 🖕🏾the patriots
Y'all get so much love it makes me want to vomit as a Bears fan. Not saying the Saints don't deserve it, but cry me a river pal
EmyNdri DriNemy 😭😭👉🏾🐻💩
Michael Irvin in the corner on mute was hilarious hahaha
I blame pace and mccaskey management bear down
Saints = 5-0 without Brees
Soooooo.....are you ladies gonna keep that same energy you do with Brady and call Brees a system qb or are you ladies just gonna admit y'all are a bunch of haters? 🤔
br 1251 nah no one cares unless it’s Brady lol
Yeah, because the Saints actually have a competent defense and a running game. Let's not act like the Saints would've went 5-0 if Brees suffered an injury like this in 2015 or 2016.
Skip Bayless was the only person in media repping Patrick Mahomes. He said Watson and Mahomes were the best QB’s in the draft. He isn’t right often, but he nailed that.
😂😂😂😂 us old heads when we see the younger generation wearing Sally Jesse Raphael glasses
Let’s keep laughing at the Bears organization😂🤣🤣💀
People didn’t even have mahomes going in the first round so this argument is irrelevant
Thays notbtrue at all, before the combine process he was the neck and beck with trubisky as the #2 qb in the draft. Everyone knew he had the best arm talent but playing in the air raid was seen as a negative... somehow trubisky was able to rise in the combine process even tho he didnt have the arm or experience mahomes did and he didnt have the success or experience that watson had.
These exact same people had trubisky above mahomes during that draft, you just cant predict how well someone is going to play on the big stage
Oh Stephen A Smith, the Hypocrite, still talking. I see
We could have had Chris Ballard as our GM but he wanted to make big changes and the McCaskeys did not want that so they passed on him! yeah god forbid we make changes to this franchise!
When was the last time we had a black/brown quarterback starting for the bears? This is just a question? Or is it?
Bears fan here... it’s been a min I’m thinking Kordell Stewart
BM32 yea it’s def some bs..
@BM32 mahomes not black
Nobody has a crystal ball. We can only hope and pray that our draft picks work out for the best. That goes for any team. I'm not a Bears fan either.
I'm from Chicago south side Stephan A I'm glad u laugh at the bears they a joke no offense defense on the field to long coach naggy playbook expose😫😒 bye turbisky
Thanks Fam, u on point!!
bye Trubisky, Pace and Nagy...Nagy is the reason we lost to the Raiders, winning the gane and we get a running into the kicker and then proceed to give up a fake punt with the defense on the field...horrible coaching (planning and discipline is the most important qualities imbued from a coach)
Stephen A hit the nail on the head here
Mitch needs to change positions
Darnyl Gaming
🤣 Wasn’t he like the 2nd overall pick at QB
Im so grateful the bears have been shitty at picking QBs. Jay Cutler and then passing Mahomes for Trubisky
Bears management wanted a white quarterback. They’re fools
I love Stephen a.
nobody questioned it when the draft was happening, hindsight is perfect
Nobody? people did go back and look at skip, shannon Sharpe, etc. Even stephen a and max.
He got booed when he was drafted...
Bears Gm and Head coach still aren't as bad as the Giants head coach & Gm. We tried to mimic you guys logic & look where we both are now!