Sorry Honda, I Changed My Mind | RAV4 Hybrid vs CR-V Hybrid
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024
- When I first drove the CR-V Hybrid I thought I might take it over the RAV4 Hybrid by a hair, and there are still reasons to buy the Honda over the Toyota: rear seat room and a mechanical AWD system. Trouble is, the real world fuel economy left me wanting, the lack of a spare tire is an issue for me personally and after a week with them both I was left frustrated by the CR-V's older infotainment system. Which would you get?
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I test drove both of these hybrids having previously owned a RAV4. Performance is not a huge issue for me but comfort and refinement for my 6ft 3inches is. I found the RAV4 a lot less comfortable to drive than the CRV.Fuel economy is pretty important to me and I have been finding that the Stated economy figures for the CRV can be easily bettered with careful use of the throttle. All in all and perhaps taking in my age (over 70) I opted for the CRV Hybrid. With 47-55mpg on E10 Unleaded I am more than content with fuel economy. The only downside I have found with the CRV is the engine noise on a steep hill climb. The CRV is comfortable on off-road rough tracks too which is a bonus. So for comfort and refinement and space and visibility the CRV wins for me. The 5 year warranty and free 5 year service and breakdown cover and service collection and return service totally sealed it for me.
We are the same height and I am left with about 1/64th of an inch of spare headroom in the driver's seat of the latest RAV4. I have to credit Honda (and other makes) for being much more accommodating to taller occupants but I would still put my faith in Toyota's proven Hybrid System. Hopefully Toyota upgrades the interior dimensions of their next generation of mainstream models because today's TNGA vehicles are a dud in that regard.
I found the central console in the Rav 4 to be obstructive of my long leg footwell space. it was hard and uncomfortable.
@@williammcdonald8051 All my height is in the torso which creates different challenges for fitting in vehicles. I saw the CEO of Toyota earlier this week at their grand announcement regarding electric cars. My estimate is that he is 5'5" or 5'6" which explains a lot........
Completely agree
@@rightlanehog3151 Honda have developed a transmission without a gearbox, the implementation is so much better
Just bought a Hybrid crv. we choose it over the Rav4 primarily because of the larger interior and superior AWD system. we did a 2300 mile road trip and got an average 38.6 with a high of 41. So far we really like it.
Did the CRV hybrid solved their oil dilution problem, having gas smell? Been a major complaint.
@@FS-fn8rf the oil dilution problems are on the turbos engines and not the NA in the hybrids.
And this ladies and gentlemen is how a comparison review is done. Bravo !
Nope disagree, in fact most disagree with the review
This guy is the most thorough reviewer I have ever seen. Many of his observations run parallel with mine after driving both. I prefer the way the honda delivers power and overall “feel” of the interior and ride. The availability was also better compared to the RAV wait list situation where I live in the PNW.
Fantastic review. I just purchased my 2021 CRV Hybrid on February 1, my only real complaint about it is low fuel economy. Today I did a 220 mile trip most of it was freeway. The weather was quite rainy . My average MPG for the trip was 30, well below the rated MPG. Waiting to see what I get in better weather.
@@corbinator50 how fast were you going on that trip on the freeway?
@@johnd3268 as I remember I drove between 70 and 75. I now have just over 4K on it, and if I watch my speed and acceleration driving not over 60, I can get an average of 36 to 38. But if I drive 70 on the freeway it’s around 33 to 36 average highway/city
@@corbinator50 well that's about right considering it's marked for 35 hwy, so in some instances you were pulling better results the lower the speed limit was. It's rated 40 city.
Alex, we just recently bought a 2020 Rav4 XLE hybrid. A couple things that pushed us to the Rav4, was, your videos, the spare tire availability, Toyota's quality and long investment in Hybrid vehicles, mainly the Prius. Our Rav4 is averaging 44.5 mpg here in Colorado.
This is the most thorough and unbiased review between the two vehicles that I’ve been comparing before I buy! In addition to the technical stuff, you also cover the everyday relatable stuff. Your review has helped me be more confident with my decision!
Oh Man! nobody does car reviews like you. You're such a car geek. I got info overload watching you - and i like it! By the way, the info graphics side by side with the video are great--professionally done. Thanks!
I love all the technical details in these videos!
Thank you for the review. Ultimately, both of these cars offer tremendous value for money, coupled with a promise of excellent reliability (coming from a thoroughly disappointed Discovery Sport owner). The hours you have put in to in order to differentiate them just goes to show how close they are. I’ve personally chosen the CR V as it’ll take 2 x 29” EMTB’s upright in the back (front wheels off) and will likely have better traction in the snow and torrential rain here in Scotland. A few mpg is a reasonable price to pay for me and I’m used to fixing punctures in tubeless tyres!
Just bought a 2021 CRV Hybrid, and am very impressed with it. Came from a 19 Forester, and there are a few things I will definitely miss... but going from averaging 26, to averaging 35+ is a definite win. Drove a Rav-4 as a rental and didn't care for the positioning and angle of the gas pedal, also felt a little tight on front shoulder room to me. Thought about the Escape Hybrid, but I don't care for the interior build quality or fit and finish in my moms 2020 Escape. Being in the snowbelt, a mechanical awd system was also a must to me. I've also been behind the current gen Rav a few times and hate how small the brake lights are. If they're using the areas above the reverse lights as night time lighting, there's now reason they couldn't use the entire corner module as a brake light, not just a tiny corner of the corner module.
You might miss some things about your Subaru, but you probably won’t miss getting your engine rebuilt every 80,000 miles.
You are a split-screen master!
Alex, my GOD, I’ve never seen such a wonderful vehicle review. You have always been at the very top of car reviews, but this was so clearly the best. Dave in Phoenix Arizona USA
Toyota hybrids are so damn reliable it’s hard to not pick them. I have a Prius and it just works.
We chose the 2021 CRV Hybird because of the superior ride, superior cabin room and the overall fit and finish. Keep in mind that I am a Toyota man, however, the RAV-4 is much smaller between the shoulders in the driver’s cabin than the CRV is. My wife is small and I am large. We had very little room between the shoulders in the RAV-4. I have no idea where they get the measurements from, but just sitting in the cabin of the CRV is much more comfortable. One other measurement that is never listed is the knee to knee measurement. Where I am a large man and have had a hip replacement, the center console in the RAV-4 is unbearable. The CRV is more open in the middle and allows my left and right hips to rest due to the deep knee contour in the passenger and driver doors and the center console being low profile. This is PRICELESS if you need more knee to knee room. Also, the driver’s panoramic view is better in the CRV. This can also be an opinion or preference. The mechanical AWD system will work much better for us living in the mountains and getting much more snow in the winter than other folks. The fuel efficiency of the RAV-4 would be more desirable, but not to sacrifice the mechanical AWD of the CRV or the superior comfort. I want to thank you for a wonderful and detailed review. In our case (And we tried both the CRV and RAV-4), The CRV fit our needs for comfort, design and fit and finish. I wish we could have the best of both of these wonderful CSUVs in one. Thanks again!!! Awesome Job!!!
No future fears from hybrid system of CRV?
Lol superior
We went with 2021 RAV4 and just love it. We are getting 46 mpg around town and flat highways.
46mpg yep!
As a tall big guy - the RAV-4 was just too small - headroom, leg room, hip room. This is an issue across all of Toyota models. The CR-V was spacious in comparison with better line of sight views out the windows. Tests I have seen put the CR-V AWD as better and we need this for a steep driveway in snowy weather. I have never changed a tire on a car in 30 years, I have AAA or insurance coverage for these things. However either of these SUV's will provide long term reliable, safe, and good driving experience. I think its just which one you like during a test drive. P.S. - If Subaru was into making hybrid cars and offered a Forester Hybrid we probably would have strongly considered that - but they are sadly ignoring the hybrid market.
YMMV. Today my wife and I counted the number of times we've used a donut in the past 25 years. Six times. Two of those were out where we had no cell service. All six were faster and cheaper than waiting on a tow truck, and IMO easier than coordinating with a third party. We still haven't decided for sure which vehicle we're going to buy, but for us having no place to keep a spare tire is a real ding against the Honda.
Yes,RAV 4,got mine 3 weeks ago and I love it❤️
Been comparing and studying crv and RAV4 hybrids. I end up buying crv because the interior is amazing and the comfort level is better. I know the power train performance of the RAV4 is better but not that much far from the crv.
Aziz but the engine of CRV is hectic snd weak specially in heights!
Good luck with that Honda transmission. Toyotas ecvt blows everyone out the water.
Honda’s hybrid is somehow less popular than Toyota in my area.
I’ve seen lots of 10th gen Accord on the road, but very few have hybrid badge; interestingly, the 2.0T (distinctive dual HDMI exhaust) is more popular than expected.
RAV4 is just a reversed scenario. It feels like that hybrid RAV4 is much much more popular than gas RAV4. Every time I see a RAV4, it has blue logo and hybrid badge.
I was looking at the new accord hybrid but the APR on the gas version was much lower than the hybrid. This might have something to do with it.
Joshua Chen This makes some sense.
I got 1.9% for my hybrid during pandemic shutdown, but I do notice normally the hybrid just doesn’t offer special APR at all.
I noticed this too! In Vancouver, CA
I've had a '19 Accord hybrid Touring for about nine months and in all that time I find it a struggle some days to get the stated fuel economy. Anything under about 65 degrees and above 90 degrees will hurt fuel economy. Heat and AC tap the battery in either temp extreme. I hear the Prius gets its stated MPG AC on or not. My Accord suffers in the high heat. With a cooler morning commute I still may get 45-49 MPG on a fill up between 6-9 gallons on average.
NoBreyner60 my area only hits high 80s. I set a/c at 72~76°F and can make around 50mpg. Keep an eye on the power gauge and try to limit it within solid blue area, which should help with fuel economy lol. Believe me, this ‘limited power’ is still faster than a Prius.
CRV is great and has more interior space and feels more roomy, but RAV4 is the GOAT
This is how a professional comparison review is done. It's so rare to find pros like you on the tube. Thanks & Good Job !
We've recently bought a 2020 Rav4 hybrid, and are very happy with it.
Our Toyota dealer is 300yds away, and the Honda dealer 15 miles. We've had
three Honda' in the past. We are getting high 40's to mid 50's mpg with the Rav4.
That's imperial gallons.
I think it is a personal choice. I did not like the cabin in the Rav4,. Traded in my 2012 Prius for the CRV Hybrid, liked the ride and the features. CRV Hybrid fitted my needs, I don't need to off road capability, but good winter AWD capability.
Test drove both after researching both for countless hours and got the CRV. The Rav is way better on paper for specs, and in practice, so why CRV? The CRV's ambience, comfort, handling, sportiness, stock sound system (without the JBL on the Rav) and more made me gravitate to it. The sport mode in CRV is more engaging and the overall interior feels better. The CRVs sound is also quite nice though it is loud, the Rav had a unpleasing engine sound when driving. Also the whole design of a Rav feels robotic, like a transformer of some sort. The CRV seems to be a bit more rounded. Both are fantastic cars.
Agree totally I cant understand why this guy is sporting the RAV4, maybe hes on the payroll :)
For me the Rav 4 was very cramped. I am 6ft tall and weigh 250lbs. The Rav 4 is very narrow and the road noise is so loud you can barely talk to other passengers on the highway.
@@michaelbrown5828 Good insight. I also remember the road noise being a lot now that I recollect the memory. Overall it seemed like the CR-V was a different class altogether.
@@michaelbrown5828 I test drove the 2023 CRV hybrid, then went straight to test a 2022 RAV4 hybrid. The difference in HWY comfort and noise is night and day! The salesman and I were raising our voices to yell over the NVH of the Toyota. Got out of the RAV4 and RAN back to Honda to get on the allocation list.
Road noise and wind noise over 30mph is why I am leaving my 2015 RAV4 limited in the dust. Bye Toyota!
I picked the RAV4 over the CR-V after back to back test drives. I also liked that the RAV4 had better gas mileage overall. I was initially interested in the RAV4 Prime, but there is currently an almost year waiting list as of March of 2021.
Sara, the XLE Hybrid Premium will not be available in 2022
@@peterc.jordan2420 why?
One of the best review for cars on RUclips
Thanks.
Nice simultaneous double view of the driving test.
Crossovers that supposedly can go a bit offroad that don't have a FULL SIZE spare are useless. On dirt roads, blow-outs happen, and if you don't have a spare you'll literally be stuck there, likely with no one around and no cell phone service. That alone is enough to cross the Honda off my shopping list.
Alex, It takes a real man to admit he was wrong. The RAV4 Hybrid continues to lead the way. You should have towed your 2,000 pound trailer behind the RAV4 in a lap of honor around the CR-V to illustrate another of its superior attributes.🤩🤩
I've watched a bunch of videos comparing these cars and this is by far the best one I've seen! So many extra bits of very relevant and useful information that others don't mention. Thanks!
Just test drove a RAV4XLE Hybrid and was very impressed. The transition from battery to engine was practically seamless. It seemed quieter than the CRV and handled better on survey roads. I’ve owned Hondas for years and Toyota products have gotten way better than Honda when it comes to design and quality. I’m also considering a Forester (although no hybrid here in the US yet) but the RAV4 keeps staying at the top of my list.
Alex you’re the best!
I think the hybrid in the CRV was an after thought. The hybrid really wasn't built for that car, so hopefully the redesign will be better.
Very true. They need to incorporate a totally new design which properly incorporates the hybrid powertrain for the next gen.
@@caglioso yup!
Can't wait to see the 6th gen purpose designed crv hybrid
Next gen won't be anytime soon. it's only been 3 to 4 years on current gen. Probably won't be until at least 2022 or 2023
Jack Liu that’s a bummer, man.
RAV4 is the winner for me just because of the spare tire . I dont like this inflation that liquid sealant does expire and i heard that it will ruin the air tire sensor of your car. Nice review its help me a lot which one should i buy.
Great comparative review! As much as I like the CR-V's appearance over the Rav 4, not having a spare tire is a deal breaker for me! Thanks for this video!
The Honda doesn't have a spare tire??
@@Misbehavedcollection only the hybrid version does not have a spare tire. This is because of where Honda put the migh capacity battery. This car model started in 2017 (I think), but this was the first year with a hybrid in the same model. The gas models have a spare tire. Maybe next model change, they will make adjustments to accommodate a spare tire...hopefully. They just couldn't do it this time.
Да конечно это единственный недостаток у Honda CR-V в гибридной версии что нет запасного колеса ,а так Тoyota rav 4 проигрывает в комфотре и качестве исполнения.А запасное колесо от Xonda srv привозит сам Байден если вы получили повреждение колеса. 🤣🤣🤣💯💥🖐Всем удачи и добра на дорогах
Пусть всегда будет чистая и хорошая 👍 дорога у всех людей на планете земля 🌎
As always, great comparative reviews...thanks!
Thank you for this comparison. It helped me to choose. Was very disappointed that the CRV does not have a spare. That was a deciding factor too.
Alex, your videos are outstanding. I go to you every time I'm looking at cars and need honest answers!
Great review but you didn't cover in much detail the interior of the two models. As other posters have mentioned the CRV is just a better looking interior considering all of the plastic in the RAV4. Just looked cheaper to us. We found the Escape likewise cheap looking but the Escape's seats were much smaller and harder thus less comfortable. I wouldn't put the Escape in the same class as the Honda or Toyota but you can buy the Escape for several thousand less so that has to be considered. Anyway thanks for the information.
I bought 2020 Rav4 hybrid XLE back in Jan when CR-V hybrid was not launched. Even if it did, I would have still gone with Rav4 because Towing capacity (1750 lbs vs no ratings on cr-v hybrid) besides spare tire only in Rav4 are the dealbreakers for me. Btw I have been consistently getting 43 mpg with not so careful driving (75% city, 25% highway). Also I agree with Alex on the point that Toyota is extremely efficient on higher speeds. I often drive at 75-80 mph while on highway and continue to get 43 mpg.
He got me at driving up and over mountains... thank you...
Thanks for a great video and comparison! I really like CRVs but I can’t imagine going off road without a spare tire. But the rear seats folding down flat is important to me. I’ll keep looking or waiting. Thanks for the information!
My neighbor has a CR-V hybrid touring. She said the spare tire is under the car. 👍
Hey Susan, don’t buy CRV or rav4 yet, wait for the redesign for both to make a decision, rav4 should get a redesign in 23-24, crv should get one next year.
I waited for the CRV redesign. The seats fold flat but are not level with the cargo floor in the 202 model :(
Toyota rules! Honda is an absolutely worthy competitor but can not beat the Rav... yet!
Alex didn't say he could get the same range in his rav4 vs CR-V due to gas filling limitations and problems with the fuel tank.
I've never had fuel tank issues in my 2019 RAV4 hybrid XSE. Fill to FULL on first click and can go well past FULL when I top up a bit.
Honda after reading this comment: 🥺😔
I would take the gas crv over the gas rav though
Toyota has perfected the hybrid technology and no one not even Honda can even come closer.
i guess kia niro is better
dong D How is it better?
I take Honda
George L it uses a DCT it’s 95.7% efficient while an eCVT is like 90%.
synonys Where did you get those numbers from?
I wouldn’t be surprised when you switch to an Toyota after owning a Honda because the RAV4 is my choice
I'm typically inclined toward Honda over Toyota products. I've owned Honda automobiles, motorcycles, and lawn mowers, each of which has given me sterling service over the years. And when I was evaluating midsize sedans about 18 months ago the Accord 2.0L Touring model topped the Camry V6 on my personal checklist. If I were shopping this this category though, I think I'd join Alex in opting for the RAV4 over the CR-V. It wouldn't be a decisive win for the RAV4 but in terms of my priorities the Toyota would probably eke out a win.
It would be a decisive win for the Toyota if the RAV4 Prime was the contestant. But that comes with a caveat. Toyota's "introduction" of the RAV4 Prime strikes me as a marketing ploy rather than a vehicle consumers can actually purchase in the next two years, or so. Only 5000 RAV4 Primes will be available in the first year of its availability. Virtually every one, I'm sure, is already spoken for. And while Toyota promises another 20,000-25,000 vehicles will be available in the US for 2022 model year, I suspect even that supply will command significant "market adjustment" stickers at dealers or be simply unavailable as a result of pre-sales.
So what's up with sending a few pre-production RAV4 Prime vehicles to reviewers? The answer is obvious. To put the brakes on sales of competing plug-in hybrids over the next two years and to encourage traffic at Toyota dealers where consumers can be convinced to purchase the currently available RAV4 hybrid rather than wait for two or years or more for the RAV4 Prime. Smart marketing? Yeah. Verging on dishonesty. Also yes.
I have drirven both for 1600 km up and down in germany, the rav4 is technically the better car, tech wise.
But The Honda is a palace on wheels to drive, the pure electric drive makes for an incredibly smooth, soft and comfy ride.
At the speedy the Ic engine kicks to only mode, you will not even notice it.
Its incredible. Also, you do get that EV feel, especially in city traffic but also on the Autobahn. Need to soow down? Use the paddels. Load your battery, continue on EV.
I have noticed that on relatively flat terrain, the Pure EV mode lasts me about 1 kilometer, which is enough for my area to get out of earshot from the neighbors.
Fully loaded, the battery will probably support up to 2 km, but i have yet to arrive somewhere with a full battery, not without regen shenanigans. So 1km is imho the realistic figure.
Heating will switch on the IEC though.
Thats why i bought the honda.
Thank’s ✌️
I just want to order but I was verry indecided : rav4 or honda
I purchased the CRV for all the reasons you mentioned and because I`ve had many previous generations of CRVs which were all high quality.
Your editing and attention to detail is absolutely superb and unparalleled. Fantastic video- extremely helpful thank you!
Owned second gen Prius and CR-Z (Honda old hybrid system) and I must say Toyota is way more ahead in their hybrid system. Love both cars because for me Honda is always fun to drive while Toyota is always the more comfortable car to drive.
All of the Honda hybrids have struggled on economy and engine noise in serious hill climbing. I suspect the Chevy Volt, which is based on a similar concept, probably would too once it's out of electric juice. The series hybrid approach seems to have real limits. Of course the CRV is quieter in general purpose driving and has better AWD so there is that.
Great reviews , Alex. I have a concern about your statement on electric AWD vs. mechanical. I'm scratching my head, trying figure out why I would ever want to use 150+ HP to the rear wheels when I'm in a traction-compromised situation. Seems to me 50 HP of rear drive would be more than adequate when my primary (maybe only?) concern is to NOT GET STUCK, rather than to blast off at max power. On this point, I would prefer the RAV4 e-AWD system because it's more efficient than the mechanical AWD, but still has enough power to keep me going under all conditions.
The differences being that extra horsepower being sent to the rear in a snowy situation is more likely to get you unstuck. It also means that it isn't reliant on the battery charge to give you the AWD traction in situations where the demand for rear traction is more consistent. You can't always just not get stuck in snow, let alone control the battery charge in those situations. If a little economy is the sacrifice I have to make to feel more sure footed, while still getting better mileage than a regular SUV.. then that's the option I'd go with. If I were in an area that didn't have heavy snow to worry about, let alone heavy snow on hills... I'd be okay with an e-awd system. But, knowing how roads around me are during snow storms, I'd rather have the mechanical AWD system.
@@717dash_cam Two observations: (1) The rear motor does not depend on having battery charge. It can run from power generated by the engine through MG1, same as the main drive motor does. (2) Extra power in a low-traction situation is never your friend. The best choice is just enough well-controlled power to get you going. IMO, you sacrifice nothing by having a low-power rear motor, and there's really no tradeoff.
I’m usually a Honda guy but the the rav crushes it in this segment, outside of their fuel tank issue of course.
I've never had fuel tank issues in my 2019 RAV4 hybrid XSE. Fill to FULL on first click and can go well past FULL if I top up.
Some owners say that slowing down the pump on fillup lets them get a full tank.
Great, detailed comparisons that have been wonderfully helpful for selecting our next car. As Mr McDonald stated, being tall you want some comfort in the space in a car. Your details help point those differences out and now we are on to actually visiting dealerships.
long time owner of honda thinking of switching to the hybrid this year but instead I would go for a Prime. It makes more sense and good for another 10+yrs
although, the back opening is a slower then i would like but I'll have to see for it myself.
Truthfully, I would be delighted with either the Toyota RAV4 or Honda CR-V.
bobystomp: ya there both the benchmark of the industry, although I've actually drove the Rav4 since my Aunt owns one. but my wife bought the CRV, and after driving both I kinda prefer the CRV slightly. although it is little less MPG than the Rav, but it's not a huge drop off. the Rav4 is also slightly quicker, but not by much. but both are good vehicles.
Just bought the 2020 RAV4 in the same color! I’m so excited your reviews really helped me make my decision!
Great video Great simultaneous views .One of the best review videos I have seen
As usual, Alex offers the most usefully comprehensive auto review available. Well done, Alex!
Really impressed by the depth of your review and your ability to make the information relatable to the non-gear heads among us. Can I ask about the issues with the 12V battery in the rav 4 hybrid dying prematurely when left undriven for a short amount of time, i.e. a few days?
I read that it had to do with satellite receiver had issues draining the battery… did not had issues with mine so far…
Got a 2021 RAV4 AWD XSE and I love it!
6:31 Alex, did you say that 212hp total goes into the 180hp electric motor? 😂 that sounds like a temporal boost of the motor lol.
22:28 you indeed pointed out the weakness of Honda’s hybrid system.
After all, it’s backed up by a 2.0L NA engine, and the power you requested for fast uphill climbing is far beyond the engine’s efficient working conditions.
The 2.5NA in RAV4 benefited from larger displacement, therefore it operated at a more efficient condition under high load. So is that BMW 228i’s 2.0T, which equals ~3.0NA and gained a benefit.
Differences in fuel economy are increasingly insignificant. If the difference were 20mpg vs 15mpg, that would result in a lot of savings (a third more fuel at whatever price you pay in your area). But the difference between 40mpg and 35mpg only costs a seventh more fuel. Now factor in the purchase price of comparable trim levels of each car, and we’re talking about 5-10 years to break even.
I just bought the CR V hybrid, will make the RAV4 our second hybrid. Thanks for the comparison!
I like Rav4 Hybrid, you can put a full size spare tire in.
I'm actually getting 44.6 with Rav4 hybrid. My 2008 prius is getting 45.1 lol
The Ford Escape Hybrid is besting the RAV4 hybrid on fuelly dot com.
@Naughtysauce yeah, this phev is as old as GM Voltec from adecade ago.
@@normt430 and said they were
My Hyunday sonata 2019 not hybrid is giving me 42 to 44 on the highway
My 2013 Ford Fusion averages 49 mpg. Of course I drive like an old lady because that's how I was taught. ; )
Great video keep it up, Rav is the best to me King Kelly representing 🇬🇭🇬🇭🇬🇭🇬🇭
When showing side by side, would help to have name somewhere on the screen. @16:20
Just remember the Honda is slower. That's what I kept looking to.
And where does that leave the Ford Escape Titanium hybrid. I prefer the looks to the Rav4 and it seems to have an almost identical hybrid system except for the true all wheel drive as compared to the Rav4's E all wheel drive?
I agree Alex...BSM should be standard on the Toyota Hybrid XLE. My understanding is that the XLE Premium will not be available on the 2022s. That being said, hopefully the XLE will remain the same price as the 2021 model
this is by far the best take I've seen on these two vehicles, and you can't wrong with either one.
I cannot pick 1 I'm finding it very hard to choose. The whole point of a Hybrid is mpg and Toyota beats that. But the Honda is beautiful looking inside and out and that's what i like.
Apart from beauty it also FEELS faster, much more naturally aspirated, and handles way better than the Rav4. This Rav is king in MPG and other aspects, but if life was just straight MPG then we would be in a boring world. Driving dynamics, cabin design, etc all play a role, and after testing both, went for the CR-V
Does the Honda gas engine suffer from oil dilution like their non hybrid version does (or did)?
For Ubering I'd get the CRV hybrid. The spacious rear seats and softer suspension for potholes/bad roads make all the difference in Chicago. The redesigned model hybrid will be my next car. (If I were driving just for myself I'd get the RAV4).
"Driving Sports" tested CR-V off road and the rear clutch seems to be too weak to transfer 100% of the torque when it matters.
Adding the lack of a spare tire and worse fuel efficiency in the mountains makes it much worse for these who live in the hilly areas.
I do not understand Honda's approach to the AWD system. It is just had at the time when most competition offers decent AWD system.
Honda's AWD system is superior to Toyota in almost all tests I could find. See: ruclips.net/video/6N6T1oF2Ee4/видео.html
@@geekstar2937 yes, on rollers it is better than eAWD. I agree with that.
The thing is, Honda's AWD does very badly in real life.
Have a look at the channel I've mentioned.
Honda has pulled back the Civic hybrid, the Accord hybrid, and the Insight hybrid from the market a few times because they got it wrong. I imagine they will follow suit with the CRV hybrid. It seems like Honda is still experimenting with their hybrid systems.
Had a civic hybrid and it had less than 30 mpg highway cruise control at 70 mph on flat surfaces
That seems odd. My gas-powered Civic is rated at 39 mpg under the same conditions. I can often reach 40 mpg.
Was your Civic one of the ones with defective batteries?
My 14year old gas civic never goes below 35, no matter how hard I drive. Some thing is not right with your battery.
My '06 (gasoline engine) Civic used to get well over 40 mpg on the highway and average mid 30's mixed (city/highway). The highest mpg I obtained was 47.8 mpg. I loved that car. I sold it 6 years later with 55k and made a nice profit to finance a relocation.
With regards to these two vehicles, the CRV looks more refine and luxurious, whereas you have to get the XSE version to equalize the luxurious look between the two CUVs. The rims on the RAV4 XLE look like their entry-level base rims...on the XLE (mid-level trim! WTH Toyota?). I love the color Blue, but the color Blue on Alex's RAV4 just not my cup of tea (sorry Alex). Also the RAV4 hybrid in the LE or XLE trims has limited color options from which to select. I like the RAV4 Prime, but I'd wait a year or two to see what performance issues/bugs surface before plunking down $45k-$55k for a performance hybrid.
HONDA CRV-gives and takes TOYOTA RAV4-gives and takes but, (the rav 4 gets the nod for power and fuel efficiency). The HONDA CRV gets the nod for the AWD SYSTEM. I am NOT CRAZY about HONDA CRV'S INFO SYSTEM.
Toyota has all the hybrid patents and never has the Honda hybrid system been as good.
Didn’t Toyota end up sharing some of their hybrid patents with Ford as a result of a lawsuit over the patents?
I feel the CRV checks more boxes I care about than the Rav, but barely. It's truly a toss up, you would have to really make a hard decision. Most concerning re: the CRV is the lower mpg, and the infotainment system NEEDS improved for sure. Quiet ride , style (that's subjective), and significant braking difference (9 feet is a lot. imo) are important pros for the CRV.... Man, it's a close call.
Part of your review should be devoted to sevicability. Some of us prefer to change our own oil and service our own vehicles. Which one is preferable from that point of view?
As far as I know both vehicle is pretty self service friendly ...the only thing with the RAV4 if you want to change the oil there is an extra step you need to do is to take off the bottom cover off before you can gain access to the drain
It depends on your skill level, tools and desire. Anything can be “serviceable”.
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Yes but a comparison of the two would be good. Many said they wouldn't buy another Toyota with a cartridge filter system so knowing that it now has a spin-on canister would figure in.
JackTannehillPromoter But you realize you’d need a mechanic for that, right? To lift both, go over all the basic systems and know the difference. This is not the channel for that. Go ask Scotty Kilmer.
Thanks for the side by side. I have a 2020 Gas CRV EX that I'm trading in for a 2021 RAV4-XLE Hybrid due to the better fuel economy and the crazy trade in values right now. I love my CRV except for the mileage and infotainment system. The reason for the switch to the RAV4 Hybrid rather then the CRV Hybrid is due to towing. The RAV4 can tow up to 1,750lbs where as the CRV Hybrid is not rated for towing. The RAV4 Prime's in my area are all significantly more expensive because the dealers require you to add all the bells and whistles and Toyota doesn't allow you to direct order like Ford is doing for the MachE and Lightning.
This generation crv wasn't created with hybrid implementation in mind, so I think the rav4 would take the win with this one. The accord vs camry hybrid is a different story though.
The systems are the same as in the Accord and Camry. If you do a lot of highway driving - and now that no one wants to get on a plane more people are - the Toyota system is better. With both of the sedans fwd, the awd advantage of the CRV does not apply to a Camry vs. Accord comparison.
@@alanhorn8253 i didn't say it did. My point was when Honda was developing the 10th gen accord, they had a hyrid variant in mind. A benefit of that is the accord doesn't make as many compromises with it's hybrid version vs its regular version, whilst the crv makes many compromises with its. Its apparent the hybrid crv was just an after to compete with the rav4 hybrid. The hybrid power train in the accord is definitely a more favorable one than what the camry offers.
hi Alex. you are one of the complete auto reviewer on you tube and I love them. But when you are comparing two models, instead of using the catch phrase .
A little bit shorted, a little bit longer. could you use words people will understand precisely . Like about 1/4' bigger, like about 1" smaller.
i was hoping to "wait for the RAV4 prime as well". However based on where and how many will be sold in the US, thats looking like a multiple year wait at this point. RAV4 Hybrid is in plentiful supply everywhere in the US currently. That'll do..
RAV4 hybrid still backordered 6+ months in Canada
@@James-il3tq wow. sorry to here that. I guess if you lived pretty close to the US, you could pop down here and grab one perhaps.
Toyota is the king of hybrids, period.
Two excellent vehicles each with its own strengths and weaknesses. It is clear to see why they are the number 1 and 2 selling (non truck) vehicles in America.
Great overview. I'm looking into small SUVs for my GF, who has a lease coming up on her RAV. For the gas version I would lean CRV, for the hybrid the RAV certainly seems better, as Alex covers. BUT . . . I've read so much about the RAV4 Hybrid fuel tank issue in the last two model years, that gives me significant pause. It seems like a major PITA to only have a de facto 8-9 gallon gas tank, which seems to have happened to a large number of RAV4 hybrid owners.
I've never had fuel tank issues in my 2019 RAV4 hybrid XSE. Fill to FULL on first click and can go well past FULL if I top up.
@@James-il3tq yeah but what is total range? Full tank should give you over 550 miles easily. Rav4 hybrid owners haven't been able to achieve this due to gas tank issues. What's point of getting hybrid?
Most of the time upto 45mph my RAV4 in s in Ev mode.
Which is great.
If I had to choose, I'd choose Rav4 Prime. It isn't perfect, but it's as close as I can find in 2020. I'd miss the towing ability of my old Rav4 with the 3.5L V6.
my local dealership has a Rav4 Prime, but it is listed $46K, after tax and fee, it will be $50K. And it is just a SE base model.
Any inside info on when the Prime will be available in the USA?
Today, a few California Toyota dealers are showing the Prime in their inventory on their websites. Not sure if that means the cars are on order or actually on their lot.
More or less now although they are almost certainly sold out everywhere.
Like others have said- it’s kinda here but with only 5000 to be made and every reviewer gushing over it, I think you’ll have to fight for a 2021 RAV4 Prime like a $200 80” LCD TV at Walmart on Black Friday (Pre-Pandemic... ah, those days...)
If you want one go to your local dealer and put down your name right now. They are sending only 5K units of Prime this year. It's literally a lottery.
Kwangzakeeem Thanks! We did that the day after the Prime prices were announced. They would not take an actual order until they had a delivery date. Our dealership is the largest in this area. Crossing our fingers!
Dudeeeee!!! You're very good explaining!!!
My 14 Prius has 325k miles on it, and replaced battery at 284k
Wow, you put on the miles. I just replaced my 2005 battery. I went to a junkyard and bought a 2014 battery for $850. What year battery did you buy? Or did you get one at the dealer for $1950 (labor not included). I have 3 Prii and do all my own work.
@@amazoidal I bought the same year battery for my car, a mechanic put it on for me used one for 1000 bucks...and I only do oil change on my Prius I stay away from the electric power grid of the car lol
Did you have to trade in the modules of your old battery? Be sure to change the tranny fluid every 50k and don't use the WS Toyota fluid. Use a real synthetic fluid. All my 3 Prii use Redline D6. Available on Amazon and you can do it yourself. It will shift smootherand less regen noise.
@@amazoidal no he just replaced the battery pack everything else was same, and my car is well taken care of been maintaining since it was brand new, it has 325k so don't worry
Rav4 hybrid, better mpg, infotainment system, and a spare tire. One negative thing on Toyota is that maintenance service is every five thousand miles, that's a bit of rip off. Honda hybrid or non hybrid maintenance service is every 7800-9500 miles. If you drive it gently and no hard stopping or fast takeoff, you will get more than 10,000 miles before every service, especially on hybrids. I drive 200+ miles a day in So Cal.
First two years of service is covered with toyota care
5000 mile maintenance is "recommended" just to make money. Having service every 10,000 miles is more then fine.
I personally change oil every 7500 miles and service every 15,000 miles.
Please dont admit you go to a dealer for oil changes...heck yes that is negative.
I don’t understand why Honda uses this system. A parallel planetary system is so much more efficient, as well as being a tried and true technology. Honda’s system is conceptually simpler, but it’s much more complex mechanically having to be able to connect the engine directly to the wheels. A planetary system is so much simpler mechanically. The only things that really wear out in Toyota hybrids are the battery and the motor-generator. In the Honda system, that clutch can wear out sooner
Why do you think so?
Agree with you. Toyota is simpler in transferring energy and torque from where it is produced to where it is stored and consumed. Only excess torque/energy is reconverted. Let’s let software be complex and mechanics be simpler.
Why would I waste my money on a Honda? Hondas have no luck in the hybrid segment. They come and go. But Toyota hybrids have been tested for so long and are proven reliable.
Only you can answer that question. The fact of the matter is, it's great to have options! And both will certainly sell.
I think the main difference is focus. The CRV is smoother and more luxurious. The RAV4 is more utilitarian with a higher payload, 1750 towing, and spare tire.
I bought the CR-V the moment I sat in the driver’s seat. Yeah, it’s that comfortable.
❤️ CRV Hybrid
Just bought one!!!
yeah. out of all ALEX IS BEST!!!!!! most informative
Although I like the styling inside and out of the CRV over the RAV4, the Toyota has better hybrid drivetrain and offers more tech features including HUD. And unfortunately Honda is slipping on quality in comparison to Toyota. RAV styling is not for me as I consider new VENSA or next gen LEXUS NX next year. Leaning toward a PRIME model, as TESLA is not up to my quality standards YET.