Nope and this is nothing but a load of crap, I have a 16 fiesta and I run 11.9 for the quarter in it, no mods or anything and my friend has the new one and I smoke him all the time.
I disagree. I own the old one and think the new one looks better. I am hoping those wheels on the new one have the same bolt pattern and offset as the old car's so I can get a set. Even the wheels on the new one are better looking.
I did a run just yet with my ST150. It's a Mountune mp165, so not stock, but still less power (keep in mind that the st182 has overboost and also 200bhp in this.) So still 35bhp less, and non turbo so way less torque. I used dragy GPS so it's quite accurate. "And it crosses the line at 15.3 seconds!" 😲 I was happily surprised! Guess the mk7 and 8 will be quicker to 200kmh, but I don't get why people call the ST150 slow. Standard maybe, but an exhaust and air intake and it keeps up quite well with less power!
Usefully quicker, but the old car definitely looks sharper especially from the back. Like the wheels on the new one though. I wonder what the aftermarket tuning crowd will make of the new 3-cyl? The old 1.6 can be taken upto 300+bhp reliably.
Am I the only one who thinks the old Fiesta ST looks more sporty and sleek over the new Fiesta ST, regardless of its performance over the new Fiesta ST??
I much prefer the old one too in every way. The new one is too big and a bit ugly and has a horrible interior and only 3 cylinders!! Just think how good the new one could be with a proper 4 cylinder engine.
why the st 200? its not the standard st This test purpose is old standard st vs new standard st. So your comment makes zero sense. Haters gonna hate and they gonna lose always.
yup, no launch control and that also means no Quaife LSD. I do not know who drove the Black ST, but damn that was bad shifting. Anyone else saw how the front was shaking, not smooth at all.
I like both however the last generation was a much fresher looking car when it came out in 2008. They could have modernized the graphical details in the rear lights on the new one. They look very dated on the lower trim levels. Even the wheel designs have been downgraded on the regular models. The new model looks about 15 years old in the basic trim level.
In that time they all came out with mustang lines, headlights and front bumper from fiestas and focus were in line with the mustang. Definitely prefer the old looks than the newer ones
By a mile I'd say. Ford really dropped the ball with the redesign of this one. Mk7.5 is arguably the best looking hatchback for an age and all they had to do was tweek it but instead someone thought it would be a good idea to squash the back end in and ruined it.
Bizilux Games HAHA! Bippety Bop he's making a reference to Ubisoft and their reasoning for not going for 60fps with their games. They said that 30fps or so gives you a 'cinematic' experience...
Three cylinder engines are typically slower to respond, i.e. rev, than engines with more cylinders, so that could've made a difference. Not this time though..
I'm going to be honest here, I thought the new one looked not so great. Until I saw one in the flesh. It looks amazing with the right wheels like the one in the video. I now love both shapes.
Yes very true, but you can tune a 4 cylinder engine and it won't go bang, as for the new 3 cylinder engine it is probably at its max potential so if you tune it it will be a recipe for disaster.
I'm not convinced, the wife has a 1.0 3 cyl 125bhp, was a brilliant little engine when new, at 40000 miles it sounds like its done 100000 and she doesn't rag the engine. Not a problem on a 3 year lease, different story if your buying it.
It really is frustrating for us Americans who prefer manuals, or at least want to give them a try. There are fewer and fewer options available for us these days.
Aidan Boyer your younger generation is getting lazier and lazier, automatics are the first choice for a vehicle in North America, everywhere else in the world, manual cars are the most common. I’ve never driven an automatic, but I can definitely see the appeal due to it being much easier in pretty much every way.
@@drakevevo3710 more and more cars are edging to auto nowadays. Especially for bumper to bumper traffic. No need to use clutch so makes life much easier. Not to mention when cars go all electric. Manuals will be out the window. Sad to think really, I hate autos 🤣🤣🤣
My 2019 fiesta st now has 13000 on the clock and I’ve had nothing but trouble! Started to to bog out at mid revs, thought it may have had a blockage in the fuel filter, turns out the injectors were faulty. Back to Ford it went, one day later it was returned, ran fine for a month then, “check engine light” came on and car went into limp mode. Went in for diagnostic and it needed some firm ware installed, got it back the same day ran fine for about a week. Then on my way to work at 6am in the pissing rain there was a massive chuff of white smoke from the exhaust and what sounded like a tub of nails rattling around under the bonnet, the turbo had completely disintegrated. Back to ford it went, 1 week later it was returned, new turbo new seals and a fresh cambelt as the old one had been damaged by the literal explosion of the turbo. So far to this day it has been fine and has behaved itself, but if I didn’t buy it brand new all of the work carried out would have cost me £1200 for the turbo refit, £300 for the cambelt, £150 for the seals, £50 for diagnostics check, £300 for the firm ware update, over £2k worth of repair on a car that is 20 months old! Nice of Ford to quote me for all the work to show me how much it would have cost me had I not brought the thing brand new, dick move. Turns out these 3 cyl lumps are total dog shit on the reliability stakes, its actually an old model of eco-tec that had a very bad longevity and not the latest and greatest 3 cyl turbo you get in the Focus! Cheeky fucks, oh and don’t forget to change your oil every 5k unless you like garage bills that is. This new Fiesta ST is not worth it at all. Avoid like the plague.
The old Black Fiesta ST was my car in this video (so proud) and nice to see so much support for the old shape. I do like the shape of my car too but I am so surprised by the difference in performance. 3 cylinders on turbo did best the old comprehensively and convincingly. Interior of the new Fiesta ST is cool. Time for my mini review on the new ST 😉 on my channel.
I really hoped that this would be the case, Faster, More economical and a nicer exhaust tone. This car may have grown up in terms of size and may be better economically, but it certainly seems like a lot of fun. I can't wait to test drive one.
If I remember correctly, then the new ST has the Overboost function as well and puts out 215hp with it. While the old one gets 200hp. In addition to that the new ST has launch control, wich gives it an advantage (ecept for the ST200, it gets 215hp as well, so that would be more interesting, and the gear ratio to the axle is a bit shorter than from the ST180). I drive the MK7 ST with 182hp but with the suspension of the ST200. Even on long rides it is comfy but sporty. I like the look of it a lot more than the new one. Especially the Recaro seats and the rear look and feel far better then the new one in my opinion. But I love the exhaust sound of the new ST, fold exhaust! I would honestly rather buy the old one a second time if it isn't too used. Because for this little bit of performance difference I still think that I choose the right car for me. The old one just looks so much more sporty and youthful. (And I like the WRC Versions in looks more as well, but thats besides the topic) I think it doesn't necessarliy matter if it's 3 or 4 Cylinders. Power is Power. It may have less cylinders and 100ccm less but every cylinder has 500ccm compared to 400ccm of the old. The Problem is rather, you get more power out of less. And the more power you take the higher the possibility that the engines shortens it's lifetime. But the new ST ist still quite good, but no car is without fault and it is everybodys own taste that is important. This is my opinion, I hope my english wasn't too bad.
yo Alvin I am aware of that, I was jus try stating that while a 4 cylinder can have high tuning potential, a 3 cylinder can also produce a load of power
prefer the front of the new one but the rear end still leaves something to be desired. The old model has a nice sporty look out back. Dang im bummed were not getting these over here in Canada.
This is the last of the Focus models to be sold here in the U.S the 2019 Fiesta ST is on the American market for sale but no more after it will be sold here
I proudly own a 2016 Mk7 Fiesta ST-2 with the stage 1 mountune upgrade. What a simple but very worthwhile upgrade for just over £700 ! Since, mine can sit neck & neck with the new shape mk8 ST (like one shown) after several tests. It will also give a Focus 2-0 ST a very good run for it's money, being just a cars length behind on a marked 1/4 mile straight. 👏 P.S. Obviously tested on private land, off the public roads 😜
2038....? Given that you can already buy a 3-series with a 3-pot engine I'm not sure its that far away!.....but hopefully they'll take the plunge and go full EV before we descend into the realms of 3-cylinder M models.
Shame we’re not getting it here in the states. Actually our days of getting Ford cars like this are soon to be over altogether. Save the Mustang we getting no more Ford ‘cars’ only crossovers and trucks sadly
Ford still has its European operation which will produce the Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo (= Fusion) cars. IMO the reason why the US is not getting this new Fiesta is because it is too small inside for tall Americans.
Should havr done one with the mk6ST ST150 as well! Would love to see how much of a difference the new mk8 actually makes over the first fiesta st, the mk6
i find it completely the other way around. The old one looks like a deadborn duck baby only its mother could love. The new one looks way more sporty and agressive.
@@SomeoneLikeEveryoneElse Yeah... I had a strong opinion then lol. The funny thing is that I've bought one of the new fiestas. The look of them has grown on me and I now prefer the look of them to the older models.
wish people would stop saying "it has more power, it's going to win", it doesn't. they both have 197bhp but the new one as more torque. really surprised at how drastic the difference is in the real world in terms of performance though.
I really love your reviews about cars and drag races like this.. Although I'm living in the US but I love watching reviews car in the UK... I don't know why, it's something more interesting,indeed, you guys have more models compare to the US. So please do a DRAG RACE between Mercedes GLC63 Coupe non S version and the S version!!
But when it comes to interior, Ford would have to learn from VAG. Ford would have some catching up to do and that's why I wouldn't buy a Ford. They're not that great inside
@@dom3827 Since we are here at carwow I have searched for the respective reviews (Fiesta/polo). Here's what Matt Watson said. Polo About the interior and the steering wheel: "Volkswagen is very clever. They puts a lot of money and effort to make it feel as posh as possible and it always makes the car, as a result, feel expensive when you're driving it." "In fact the whole interior just has an air of class and quality that you don't get in other small cars." While driving: "The car feels much bigger." "it has the best suspension in it's class but driving is a little bit boring in a good way." And his overall verdict on this car: "Well, I think you can just go ahead and buy the Volkswagen Polo. It is the best small car you can buy!" ruclips.net/video/N-vX1MIlUKg/видео.html Fiesta In the Fiesta review Matt doesn't say much about the interior and while driving he said: "then a problem is the steering wheel. Yeah it's kind of like a bit too big and the leather on it feels cheap. It's my only complaint" (10 min17 sec) "this suspension so it's better over bumbs than before, it really is quite comfy for such a small car it's not the comfiest it's not quite as good over bumbs than a Volkswagen Polo but it's still very good." But: "it's still a fun cheeky little car to drive with nice pointy steering and a very agile chassis" "it is fun" But his final verdict: "You can shortlist the Fiesta, it's a really good small car" ruclips.net/video/H0tpvprPwI8/видео.html And personally I find the interior outdated. The display of the infotainment system sticks out of the dashboard and a digital cockpit is not available. I like the Fiesta very much especially the Fiesta ST. It's a really nice and cheap driving machine and can compete against some quite bigger hot-hatches. But it is exactly as I have said before. I don't like the the interior very much because it's quite outdated in my opinion. compared to it's competitors. A Peugeot 208, Renault Clio or even a Opel Corsa (Vauxhall in GB) is much more modern inside. At all of them is a digital cockpit available and the displays are better integrated Edit: Matt first reviewed the Fiesta and afterwards the Polo. So he knew the Fiesta quite well as he was tested the Volkswagen.
Mat! Your films are really exciting, and the car choice is always good. Two problems in my opinion: 1/ try to invest in flying camera (a "drone")- the process of the race will be more thrustworthy, 2/ please paint crosswise line every 100 meters in the same goal. Looking above Your schoulder what car is the first is good... for the first three films...:> Please do it- Wowcar is a real brand now!:)
You got to remember they could of added more torque and BHP to the old ST when it was in the manufacturing stage.If both of these cars had identical power the four cylinder would definitely win over the three cylinder.When mapping a car you would get more performance out of the four cylinder.
My brother had mk7 stage 2r map with bolt ons makes 250 bhp and now he has mk8 1r map with just a k&n filter and it and makes 255 weird how stage 1 on mk8 is equivalent to a stage 2 on mk7
Even I think the same . These little group of haters are every where trash talking about the car design. but the real huge number of people who love the design are quiet and tired of getting their comment trash talked so remain silent. I'm not an isheep bit it is what happening to apple too in this RUclips forum. So much hate man
Another thing , how old is the Mk7? How many miles has it done ? Has it been serviced recently ? Has it been thrashed about over the last couple of years ? Too many variables racing a Used over new car. Just buy a Decent mk7 for about 10K shove a Bluefin in it . And job done . When the Mk8 hits the used market buy one . Why buy new and loose a heap of money as soon you drive it away .
Because some people like to buy new cars..? Its a more premium experience i guess, you can choose exactly what you want, and the money you lose is the price you pay for the experience, you have to do it at least once in your life
Richard Hurr I just kind of said that because it’s very simple a lot less hassle, I’ve used Bluefin on my Mk2 focus ST It wasn’t all that bad tbh, I bought a Mondeo 1.6 ecoboost titanium’x I Bluefin that , it was dreadful it made the car drive like 💩. I’m using it on my Mk3 2014 focus ST Again because I could press a button on my phone haveit delivered to me and I didn’t have to go nowhere . It’s a lazy option I guess if not the best . Again I’d be inclined to agree with you It’s a very lumpy? / Spike’y power delivery . But I was just giving an example I suppose 😬. I was thinking about Collins before I went my own way Scorpion Cat/b non res . And me ole Bluefin , But I wanted my reservations answered They didn’t answer any of my emails Where as Bluefin always get back with a reply . So that was that.
Jacob Nickels Except not many people will build/order these cars as they want them since they'll be buying them from available stock, because you can get much better deals that way.
Some people don't like the idea of someone else driving the car before they did, but I do agree with you. I bought my car off the used market and probably will do again with my next car.
was never true and will never be. In fact, they typically last longer than 4 bangers. That is why 3 cylinders gets used in the industry on a large scale.
I mean it's faster and all (which makes sense because the engine is more powerful) but how does it proof that a 3 cylinder Engine is better than a 4 cyl?
They're trying to illustrate that the 3 cylinder Fiesta ST is still faster than the 4 Cylinder Fiesta ST. Even with one less cylinder and 100cc less displacement. In reality I think they're about the same speed. The new 3 cylinder might be more efficient especially coasting on the highway in 2 cylinder mode when the 3rd de-activates. Does it prove that all 3 cylinder cars (how many are there?) are better or worse than 4 cylinder ones? Nope.
Peter Lustig - I totally agree. They havent looked at the bigger picture. I wouldnt be surprised if that 3 cylinder engine was only fit for the bin by 80k miles. I wouldnt touch it with a bargepole.
The new Fiesta looks lika a family van.😂😂 In my mind, nearly every car brand made they're new models look more bad then the last one before. VW, Ford, etc.
but of course the new one should be a bit quicker standard and with a more modern interior so if you want a brand new car get the new one but I wouldn't change my mk7 for the new one knowing its safe to mod up to 300bhp or more. Also mk8 doesn't make the mk7 look outdated, I like the side window shape both similar.
That's what I have on mine. Not sure what the quarter mile would be, I got a 14.8 on public road timed with torque pro but I'm guessing it could get 14.5 on a decent surface with a good launch.
Time has passed and the 3 cylinder has proofen more reliable. Does not overheat, does not leak water, does not leak oil and needs less service overall for same mileage. Mine is at 130.000 now, no problems.
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I proudly announce that this is the shortest carwow drag race
Am I the only one who actually wanted the old Fiesta to win this race? 🤔
sergio gaona no, you’re not
Yes, you are.
Nope and this is nothing but a load of crap, I have a 16 fiesta and I run 11.9 for the quarter in it, no mods or anything and my friend has the new one and I smoke him all the time.
Nope
@@Seldion nope
Prefer the exterior of the old ST and the interior of the new ST
Edit: Thanks For The Likes
Sam Broadbent same
Yeah that would be the ideal combination.
Uh, the old exterior is ugly, at least the back is awful.
I disagree. I own the old one and think the new one looks better. I am hoping those wheels on the new one have the same bolt pattern and offset as the old car's so I can get a set. Even the wheels on the new one are better looking.
The new one Looks like an Hyundai ix20
do a drag race with
fiesta ST150, ST180, ST200 and mk8 ST 😁
I did a run just yet with my ST150. It's a Mountune mp165, so not stock, but still less power (keep in mind that the st182 has overboost and also 200bhp in this.)
So still 35bhp less, and non turbo so way less torque. I used dragy GPS so it's quite accurate.
"And it crosses the line at 15.3 seconds!" 😲 I was happily surprised! Guess the mk7 and 8 will be quicker to 200kmh, but I don't get why people call the ST150 slow. Standard maybe, but an exhaust and air intake and it keeps up quite well with less power!
@@TheoSanders593 In good conditions, with a good start the mk7 st can do 15 seconds flat. Maybe even 14.9
@@JGreen444 yeah they shouod have done 3 runs to level things out. Still they are all pretty close on the quarter mile. 😁👍
Krispen Wah cars.co.za did 15;56secs with the standard ST180
@@TheoSanders593 St150 is probably a bit lighter. Lighten it further. Battery, aircon delete, back seats. Great wee cars and far less to go wrong!
Usefully quicker, but the old car definitely looks sharper especially from the back. Like the wheels on the new one though.
I wonder what the aftermarket tuning crowd will make of the new 3-cyl? The old 1.6 can be taken upto 300+bhp reliably.
320hp as far as i know. Dont know if there are even higher figure builds.
I still have my 2017 one and still love it to this day
Am I the only one who thinks the old Fiesta ST looks more sporty and sleek over the new Fiesta ST, regardless of its performance over the new Fiesta ST??
J Boi I love the old one (had 1 in 2014) But i think the new one is better in every way. Obviously just my opinion 😁
I agree with you, the new one's back looks like a Ford van... ugly!!
I agree with you. Just put the 215 upgrade on the old St and the car is sublime.
I much prefer the old one too in every way. The new one is too big and a bit ugly and has a horrible interior and only 3 cylinders!! Just think how good the new one could be with a proper 4 cylinder engine.
I like the front of the new one more but I like the rear of the old one more. Interior the new one wins (I dislike both interiors tbh)
Amazing progress out of a 3 cylinder engine. Big up for Ford!
Would have seen vs fiesta st 200!
GTI Taccans More people should upvote your comment, cause it’s damn true
With an LSD and launch control as well. The new ST would suck against it.
and yet the old one doesn't have them. Silly argument really.
The standard mk7 is faster than this anyway. 16 sec 1/4 mile is over a second slower than people have actually done it in.
why the st 200? its not the standard st
This test purpose is old standard st vs new standard st.
So your comment makes zero sense.
Haters gonna hate and they gonna lose always.
That new Fiesta’s interior is wonderful. Drove one last week, and was pleasantly surprised by it!
You should compare the new one to the ST200.
And new without launch control
yup, no launch control and that also means no Quaife LSD.
I do not know who drove the Black ST, but damn that was bad shifting.
Anyone else saw how the front was shaking, not smooth at all.
Neo VeNoM I was driving the black ST and... words hurt, y'know?
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Why? ST200 was a special model, not the standart one.
The older Fiesta definitely looks better especially the back end...lights etc
Defo not, new one is far nicer.
I like both however the last generation was a much fresher looking car when it came out in 2008.
They could have modernized the graphical details in the rear lights on the new one. They look very dated on the lower trim levels.
Even the wheel designs have been downgraded on the regular models.
The new model looks about 15 years old in the basic trim level.
The older ST looks sharper in the looks department for sure
In that time they all came out with mustang lines, headlights and front bumper from fiestas and focus were in line with the mustang. Definitely prefer the old looks than the newer ones
By a mile I'd say. Ford really dropped the ball with the redesign of this one. Mk7.5 is arguably the best looking hatchback for an age and all they had to do was tweek it but instead someone thought it would be a good idea to squash the back end in and ruined it.
@@SlapbackGOD designed by an Aston Martin designer which can be seen in the grill shape.
@@jamesmiller3639 yes, its such an attractive car to be honest. Focus RS and the Fiesta ST look gorgeous. The mk7 and mk7.5 ❤️
i think the new st looks a lot more grown up and classier.
Would be interesting to see the new ST against an MP215 or ST200
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I swear Matt needs a own TV-Show.
Cinnamon buns The Mat Watson Show 😁
Cinnamon buns he did have one....looking for classic cars for people...and charging a finders fee, sorry cannot remember the name of the show
it was "Find Me A Classic" on Insight TV
He does have a TV show, here on RUclips. Television is dead and would be pointless
no one watch TV anymore...
The old style/ body shape is so much nicer.
Why change it??!
Because it looks bad
@@ilpatongi like ur opinion
@@martythemk3fiesta59 Wow you really showed me
@@ilpatongi 💯
I'd prefer this Fiesta ST to no Fiesta ST 😞
When you hit 1 mil subs can you go 60fps? Would be a great upgrade. Love your work! 👍😉
but... 24fps is cinematic experience... /s
Bizilux Games I hope you're being sarcastic. 🤔
Bizilux Games HAHA! Bippety Bop he's making a reference to Ubisoft and their reasoning for not going for 60fps with their games. They said that 30fps or so gives you a 'cinematic' experience...
Ishmael Simpson Oh right haha. Haven't heard that one before. 😂😂
My 4096x2160 monitor only does 24fps and it is cinematic. There is no replacement for displacement!
Highly stressed engine, will not last as long as the 4 cylinder.
Seem to be lasting alright in comparison to the 1.6, got MK7 STs losing compression and knocking at almost the same age as the early MK8s now
More torque, more bhp, who would have thought the new one would win🙄
Right!? Should've been the ST200.
Yup. I was thinking the same thing.
182 hp vs. 200hp hmmm...
Three cylinder engines are typically slower to respond, i.e. rev, than engines with more cylinders, so that could've made a difference. Not this time though..
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I'm going to be honest here, I thought the new one looked not so great. Until I saw one in the flesh. It looks amazing with the right wheels like the one in the video. I now love both shapes.
Those wheels are standard on every ST so you won’t see one without them. Only diff is 17’s on the entry level and 18’s on the ST3
Faster, more economical, sounds epic - I'm convinced! 👍
Yes very true, but you can tune a 4 cylinder engine and it won't go bang, as for the new 3 cylinder engine it is probably at its max potential so if you tune it it will be a recipe for disaster.
Miller Corner But it has Three Cylinders 😂
and cheaper to ensure....
sounds like a tractor too.
I'm not convinced, the wife has a 1.0 3 cyl 125bhp, was a brilliant little engine when new, at 40000 miles it sounds like its done 100000 and she doesn't rag the engine. Not a problem on a 3 year lease, different story if your buying it.
Sad we can’t get the Fiesta and Focus ST’s in the states anymore 😭
Sloonz Lel probs cos you guys can’t drive manuals and it’s mainly a car available in manual
It really is frustrating for us Americans who prefer manuals, or at least want to give them a try. There are fewer and fewer options available for us these days.
Aidan Boyer your younger generation is getting lazier and lazier, automatics are the first choice for a vehicle in North America, everywhere else in the world, manual cars are the most common. I’ve never driven an automatic, but I can definitely see the appeal due to it being much easier in pretty much every way.
@@drakevevo3710 more and more cars are edging to auto nowadays. Especially for bumper to bumper traffic. No need to use clutch so makes life much easier. Not to mention when cars go all electric. Manuals will be out the window. Sad to think really, I hate autos 🤣🤣🤣
It's your own fault. You buy trucks and SUVs only.
Sort of expected as the new ones got more power. The older shape still looks better.
My 2019 fiesta st now has 13000 on the clock and I’ve had nothing but trouble! Started to to bog out at mid revs, thought it may have had a blockage in the fuel filter, turns out the injectors were faulty. Back to Ford it went, one day later it was returned, ran fine for a month then, “check engine light” came on and car went into limp mode. Went in for diagnostic and it needed some firm ware installed, got it back the same day ran fine for about a week. Then on my way to work at 6am in the pissing rain there was a massive chuff of white smoke from the exhaust and what sounded like a tub of nails rattling around under the bonnet, the turbo had completely disintegrated. Back to ford it went, 1 week later it was returned, new turbo new seals and a fresh cambelt as the old one had been damaged by the literal explosion of the turbo. So far to this day it has been fine and has behaved itself, but if I didn’t buy it brand new all of the work carried out would have cost me £1200 for the turbo refit, £300 for the cambelt, £150 for the seals, £50 for diagnostics check, £300 for the firm ware update, over £2k worth of repair on a car that is 20 months old!
Nice of Ford to quote me for all the work to show me how much it would have cost me had I not brought the thing brand new, dick move.
Turns out these 3 cyl lumps are total dog shit on the reliability stakes, its actually an old model of eco-tec that had a very bad longevity and not the latest and greatest 3 cyl turbo you get in the Focus! Cheeky fucks, oh and don’t forget to change your oil every 5k unless you like garage bills that is. This new Fiesta ST is not worth it at all. Avoid like the plague.
The old Black Fiesta ST was my car in this video (so proud) and nice to see so much support for the old shape. I do like the shape of my car too but I am so surprised by the difference in performance. 3 cylinders on turbo did best the old comprehensively and convincingly. Interior of the new Fiesta ST is cool. Time for my mini review on the new ST 😉 on my channel.
J TheAndroidFreak i prefer the new One. I have it
If it’s you car then it’s slow af. Most people that have dragged their stock ST have been getting 14.9 in the quarter mile 😂
Bruno Santos Did you have the old one before? How's the new so far even though it might be early to ask.
James Eaton I know and after driving the new one I so much wanna change. I am also considering the new Polo GTi as well.
I like the shape of the old Fiesta better as well.
I really hoped that this would be the case, Faster, More economical and a nicer exhaust tone. This car may have grown up in terms of size and may be better economically, but it certainly seems like a lot of fun. I can't wait to test drive one.
If I remember correctly, then the new ST has the Overboost function as well and puts out 215hp with it. While the old one gets 200hp. In addition to that the new ST has launch control, wich gives it an advantage (ecept for the ST200, it gets 215hp as well, so that would be more interesting, and the gear ratio to the axle is a bit shorter than from the ST180).
I drive the MK7 ST with 182hp but with the suspension of the ST200. Even on long rides it is comfy but sporty. I like the look of it a lot more than the new one. Especially the Recaro seats and the rear look and feel far better then the new one in my opinion.
But I love the exhaust sound of the new ST, fold exhaust!
I would honestly rather buy the old one a second time if it isn't too used. Because for this little bit of performance difference I still think that I choose the right car for me. The old one just looks so much more sporty and youthful. (And I like the WRC Versions in looks more as well, but thats besides the topic)
I think it doesn't necessarliy matter if it's 3 or 4 Cylinders. Power is Power. It may have less cylinders and 100ccm less but every cylinder has 500ccm compared to 400ccm of the old. The Problem is rather, you get more power out of less. And the more power you take the higher the possibility that the engines shortens it's lifetime.
But the new ST ist still quite good, but no car is without fault and it is everybodys own taste that is important.
This is my opinion, I hope my english wasn't too bad.
I'm still in love with my 2010 Titanium X :D
All well and good but from a tuning point of view you'll extract more from the 4 cylinder engine I'd imagine
A hell of a lot more
Well yes, but the 3 cylinders can be extremely powerful too as koenigsegg proved with their twin turbo making 600bhp
Max Pierrepont this is a fiesta not a super car lol
yo Alvin I am aware of that, I was jus try stating that while a 4 cylinder can have high tuning potential, a 3 cylinder can also produce a load of power
@@maxpierrepont6018 does that not have battery motors to?
I’d love to see a drag race between every fast fiesta model
prefer the front of the new one but the rear end still leaves something to be desired. The old model has a nice sporty look out back. Dang im bummed were not getting these over here in Canada.
The content on this channel provides is so great! Love the new fiesta ST!
This is the last of the Focus models to be sold here in the U.S the 2019 Fiesta ST is on the American market for sale but no more after it will be sold here
I proudly own a 2016 Mk7 Fiesta ST-2 with the stage 1 mountune upgrade.
What a simple but very worthwhile upgrade for just over £700 !
Since, mine can sit neck & neck with the new shape mk8 ST (like one shown) after several tests.
It will also give a Focus 2-0 ST a very good run for it's money, being just a cars length behind on a marked 1/4 mile straight. 👏
P.S.
Obviously tested on private land, off the public roads 😜
You've never lost a drag race on this channel ... Always puts himself in the fastest car.
can’t believe that a 1.5L 3 cylinder produces more horsepower than the 4.0L V8 that was used in old land rovers
Sad we can’t have this beauty in Canada...😥
Yan Savard Matt works in the UK, sorry.
laughing in italian*
Almost 1 million subscribers, congratulation. You deserve every one of them.
Yeah I know it's fast but still like da old 1
Be good to see the even older ST involved too.
The 4 cylinder has much higher tuning potential
No
I have a 2009 Fiesta with a 1.25L 4 cylinder and i love it.
now imagine this kind of 3 cyclinder beast in the new M3 in 2038.....or a lawn mower engine in the new Merc S class running 4 turbos at 500 psi.....
lingeringsoul lmao 😂
I hear that by 2030 all M cars will be electric :(
lol... shut up and take my money on the merc with a lawnmower engine...lol...
2038....? Given that you can already buy a 3-series with a 3-pot engine I'm not sure its that far away!.....but hopefully they'll take the plunge and go full EV before we descend into the realms of 3-cylinder M models.
Rip
This car also comes with a tiny 1.0L gasoline engine with 140 hp, which is a cheaper but still fun alternative.
Is that the ecoboost st-line?
Exactly, I own one and it's definitely a fun car, but not as fun as the ST tho
Glover Carvalho Yeah I'm thinking about getting that one as insurance is much better
Wildly pissed off that the US is not getting the new Focus or Fiesta. All we get is the "Focus Active" Subaru ripoff.
Great video.
Love you guys work.
Would be nice to see the new ford ST compared to an old school Ford XR6.
The rear of the old Fiesta definitely looks better than the rear of the new one.
I miss these old drag races with fun little hatchbacks
Cant wait to pick mine up on Wednesday
buckleyjteams you might put your back out trying to pick it up so be careful.
Richard Hurr hahaha
It looks like im the only one who thinks the new Fiesta looks way better then the old one
Shame we’re not getting it here in the states. Actually our days of getting Ford cars like this are soon to be over altogether. Save the Mustang we getting no more Ford ‘cars’ only crossovers and trucks sadly
Chris Dooley Ford will probably bring them back in a few years, unless they want to make losses.
Curtis Shaw yup
But you have the old Model with Sync 3, i would very much love to have that one here in europe.
Ford still has its European operation which will produce the Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo (= Fusion) cars.
IMO the reason why the US is not getting this new Fiesta is because it is too small inside for tall Americans.
MelCanuck people in most European countries are much taller than the average American so I don't think length has anything to do with it.
Same 3-cylinder with 18hp less in the brandnew Focus! Check: ruclips.net/video/B-Sh8JGl1i8/видео.html
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THESE BEAUTIFUL REAR LIGHTS FORD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THEM
I like the horizontal ones much better. The old ones looked like the back of a minivan
Should havr done one with the mk6ST ST150 as well! Would love to see how much of a difference the new mk8 actually makes over the first fiesta st, the mk6
The new one looks like a minivan, im still taking the old one
only interior is better
Exterior, interior and engine are better for the new one
@@buziochi3941 outside is nice on the old one, but the interior is nicer on the new one
The thing about these is that they never stay stock. I myself ended up with 240 hp mk7 and it's so much fun.
“It squatted down off the line”
Now I’m no expert but that makes me believe you were using the launch control feature and just not mentioning it...
You can make any fwd car squat with the handbrake on.
Now do a race of a mk8 vs the mk8.5
I have a fiesta with the same exterior and color in the video(the old one ) except it's only 1.25 liter and 82 hp =D
You need to do a fiesta red edition 140 bhp vs polo gti vs seat Ibiza fr vs other small hatch backs around the same price range/performance
As others have also commented, the old one looks better, especially from the rear. New Fords in general look very generic.
Janne Väätäinen if by generic you mean dull and ugly I agree!
Yeah it looks like people who have no taste in cars what so ever will buy this car. They will probably get excited by how many cup holders there are!
i find it completely the other way around.
The old one looks like a deadborn duck baby only its mother could love.
The new one looks way more sporty and agressive.
@@Dominate955 nice. if i choose a better looking car then i have taste in cars.
@@SomeoneLikeEveryoneElse Yeah... I had a strong opinion then lol. The funny thing is that I've bought one of the new fiestas. The look of them has grown on me and I now prefer the look of them to the older models.
Greetings from South Africa. Interesting results, but I would still take a naturally aspirated 1.6l 4 cylinder petrol engine any day.
It’s a 1.6 Turbo
@@andreiturcan8023 I know, but I would still take the naturally aspirated version over the turbo.
@@Preyser123 True, the turbo is fine, it gives good thrust at low revs but it is a prone to failure and very expensive.
Now do a drag race with old and new focus st
Fiesta, a brilliant car, and oddly a car I can easily fit into the driving seat!
2019 Fiesta ST. Faster, more economical, nicer interior, looks like absolute ass. I'll keep my 2015 ST
Sean Patrick sounds better too tbh
It's not bad looking at all
siddharth kona Old shape is still nicer.
wish people would stop saying "it has more power, it's going to win", it doesn't. they both have 197bhp but the new one as more torque. really surprised at how drastic the difference is in the real world in terms of performance though.
That beat at the end is fire! 🔥
What is it
I really love your reviews about cars and drag races like this.. Although I'm living in the US but I love watching reviews car in the UK... I don't know why, it's something more interesting,indeed, you guys have more models compare to the US. So please do a DRAG RACE between Mercedes GLC63 Coupe non S version and the S version!!
Best var in class..
Look and Learn, VW Group
But when it comes to interior, Ford would have to learn from VAG. Ford would have some catching up to do and that's why I wouldn't buy a Ford. They're not that great inside
@@dom3827 Since we are here at carwow I have searched for the respective reviews (Fiesta/polo). Here's what Matt Watson said.
Polo
About the interior and the steering wheel:
"Volkswagen is very clever. They puts a lot of money and effort to make it feel as posh as possible and it always makes the car, as a result, feel expensive when you're driving it."
"In fact the whole interior just has an air of class and quality that you don't get in other small cars."
While driving: "The car feels much bigger." "it has the best suspension in it's class but driving is a little bit boring in a good way."
And his overall verdict on this car: "Well, I think you can just go ahead and buy the Volkswagen Polo. It is the best small car you can buy!"
ruclips.net/video/N-vX1MIlUKg/видео.html
Fiesta
In the Fiesta review Matt doesn't say much about the interior and while driving he said:
"then a problem is the steering wheel. Yeah it's kind of like a bit too big and the leather on it feels cheap. It's my only complaint" (10 min17 sec)
"this suspension so it's better over bumbs than before, it really is quite comfy for such a small car it's not the comfiest it's not quite as good over bumbs than a Volkswagen Polo but it's still very good."
But:
"it's still a fun cheeky little car to drive with nice pointy steering and a very agile chassis" "it is fun"
But his final verdict: "You can shortlist the Fiesta, it's a really good small car"
ruclips.net/video/H0tpvprPwI8/видео.html
And personally I find the interior outdated. The display of the infotainment system sticks out of the dashboard and a digital cockpit is not available.
I like the Fiesta very much especially the Fiesta ST.
It's a really nice and cheap driving machine and can compete against some quite bigger hot-hatches.
But it is exactly as I have said before. I don't like the the interior very much because it's quite outdated in my opinion. compared to it's competitors. A Peugeot 208, Renault Clio or even a Opel Corsa (Vauxhall in GB) is much more modern inside. At all of them is a digital cockpit available and the displays are better integrated
Edit: Matt first reviewed the Fiesta and afterwards the Polo. So he knew the Fiesta quite well as he was tested the Volkswagen.
Great video! Love the comparison videos between generations!
I find it amazing that ford can make almost 200hp from a 1.5 3 cylinder
Tell that to Toyota now 😂
I'll find it even more amazing if it doesnt blow up after 50k miles like some of their other 3 cylinder and offerings 🤣
Mat! Your films are really exciting, and the car choice is always good. Two problems in my opinion: 1/ try to invest in flying camera (a "drone")- the process of the race will be more thrustworthy, 2/ please paint crosswise line every 100 meters in the same goal. Looking above Your schoulder what car is the first is good... for the first three films...:> Please do it- Wowcar is a real brand now!:)
Still think the old one looks alot better and will be interesting to see what happens when people start tuning the new one 🤔
I'll keep my 2016 Focus ST. Looks heck of allot better than the 2020 for sure.
You got to remember they could of added more torque and BHP to the old ST when it was in the manufacturing stage.If both of these cars had identical power the four cylinder would definitely win over the three cylinder.When mapping a car you would get more performance out of the four cylinder.
My brother had mk7 stage 2r map with bolt ons makes 250 bhp and now he has mk8 1r map with just a k&n filter and it and makes 255 weird how stage 1 on mk8 is equivalent to a stage 2 on mk7
Wheels and the back of the Old Fiesta are way better! Everything else- well done Ford
"This is progress". Just wait till 80k km, and 3 cyl engine with this amount of power gonna blow metal pieces everywhere
bs from uneducated people. Was never true and will never be.
I'm really pissed this sweet hot hatch isn't coming across the pond. Thanks Ford.
Contact Ford US and tell them how you feel. If we all contact Ford, they will listen to their customers!
Jesus, the new ST is BEAUTIFUL! FORD!!!!
Michael Turner-Smith how??
Even I think the same . These little group of haters are every where trash talking about the car design. but the real huge number of people who love the design are quiet and tired of getting their comment trash talked so remain silent. I'm not an isheep bit it is what happening to apple too in this RUclips forum. So much hate man
Test Bot the old one looks more intimidating
The engine and interior from the mk8, but the body from the mk7.5 is the sweet spot.
Another thing , how old is the Mk7?
How many miles has it done ?
Has it been serviced recently ?
Has it been thrashed about over the last couple of years ?
Too many variables racing a Used over new car.
Just buy a Decent mk7 for about 10K shove a Bluefin in it . And job done .
When the Mk8 hits the used market buy one .
Why buy new and loose a heap of money as soon you drive it away .
Because some people like to buy new cars..? Its a more premium experience i guess, you can choose exactly what you want, and the money you lose is the price you pay for the experience, you have to do it at least once in your life
Mark C Bluefin? Better maps than that. Stick to Peron, Collins and Revo.
Richard Hurr
I just kind of said that because it’s very simple a lot less hassle,
I’ve used Bluefin on my Mk2 focus ST
It wasn’t all that bad tbh,
I bought a Mondeo 1.6 ecoboost titanium’x I Bluefin that , it was dreadful it made the car drive like 💩.
I’m using it on my Mk3 2014 focus ST
Again because I could press a button on my phone haveit delivered to me and I didn’t have to go nowhere .
It’s a lazy option I guess if not the best .
Again I’d be inclined to agree with you
It’s a very lumpy? / Spike’y power delivery . But I was just giving an example I suppose 😬.
I was thinking about Collins before I went my own way
Scorpion Cat/b non res . And me ole Bluefin ,
But I wanted my reservations answered
They didn’t answer any of my emails
Where as Bluefin always get back with a reply . So that was that.
Jacob Nickels Except not many people will build/order these cars as they want them since they'll be buying them from available stock, because you can get much better deals that way.
Some people don't like the idea of someone else driving the car before they did, but I do agree with you. I bought my car off the used market and probably will do again with my next car.
3 cylinder won't last long before it goes bang
was never true and will never be.
In fact, they typically last longer than 4 bangers. That is why 3 cylinders gets used in the industry on a large scale.
Do new and old swift
I am more then happy with my old Fiesta.. I like the exterior of that oje 10000x times more
I mean it's faster and all (which makes sense because the engine is more powerful) but how does it proof that a 3 cylinder Engine is better than a 4 cyl?
They're trying to illustrate that the 3 cylinder Fiesta ST is still faster than the 4 Cylinder Fiesta ST. Even with one less cylinder and 100cc less displacement.
In reality I think they're about the same speed. The new 3 cylinder might be more efficient especially coasting on the highway in 2 cylinder mode when the 3rd de-activates.
Does it prove that all 3 cylinder cars (how many are there?) are better or worse than 4 cylinder ones? Nope.
Technically it isn't more powerful as the Mk7 has 197bhp on overboost for 15 seconds.
Richard Hurr the why didn’t it win. It was a land slide win here,not even close.
preludeF20Bking Driving skills, how quickly the cars got off the line, the old car has probably done more miles.
Peter Lustig - I totally agree. They havent looked at the bigger picture. I wouldnt be surprised if that 3 cylinder engine was only fit for the bin by 80k miles. I wouldnt touch it with a bargepole.
What's the new engine like for tuning compared to the old ST? That's why the previous model is so loved and hopefully the new model could be the same
The old one (2017) has the best looking of all.
Old fiesta more sexy than the new one.
Let's do a test after a 100k see if they both work
One less Cylinder to Go Wrong 🤪
Great video! Maybe more videos with "regular civil" cars? 🙂
Come on, surely I'm not the only one who thinks the new one looks mint compared to the last one.
Ps. I have a focus rs. Not the fiesta man
King B new one looks way better!
Yes, new one looks better.
Front and side moulding of the new one, rear end and wheels of the old one, interior from the new one, and the engine as well.
Perfect ST.
It has improved a lot but I would still buy the old model ST due to price
Holy crap. This is one of the few times I'm genuinely shocked about a comparison. Wow.
The new Fiesta looks lika a family van.😂😂 In my mind, nearly every car brand made they're new models look more bad then the last one before. VW, Ford, etc.
Toyota ? Peugeot ? Cmon..
It does 😂😂😂
great little video. please do the same video with the focus mk4 and mk3!
a simple £300 cp2 remap on the old st and it should easily keep up or be faster
but of course the new one should be a bit quicker standard and with a more modern interior so if you want a brand new car get the new one but I wouldn't change my mk7 for the new one knowing its safe to mod up to 300bhp or more. Also mk8 doesn't make the mk7 look outdated, I like the side window shape both similar.
That's what I have on mine. Not sure what the quarter mile would be, I got a 14.8 on public road timed with torque pro but I'm guessing it could get 14.5 on a decent surface with a good launch.
@@richardhurr31 What 0-60 have you managed with CP2?
@@jamie3499 6.1 seconds
They probably last like 50 .000 miles and they broke down and the four-cylinder goes on and on and on
Time has passed and the 3 cylinder has proofen more reliable.
Does not overheat, does not leak water, does not leak oil and needs less service overall for same mileage.
Mine is at 130.000 now, no problems.
What's that airplane behind the cars? Is it an Airbus Skylink?
Agree, looks like super guppy
Thats stole my attention more
JonW AV Awesome, thank you for the heads up.
Incorrect, Aristotelis Mitsiou is right, it's an Airbus Skylink. The Super Guppy was built by Aero Spacelines not Airbus
I'm with you now JonW AV that makes complete sense, my fault for not seeing the apostrophe 😅😅
It's all good! You too fella 😊
Fantastic new Fiesta ST, it's going to give a lot to talk about this car, those 3 cylinders are very fast!!