Why do you think Hollywood is dying? Is it too late to turn this ship around? Let us know below! 00:00 Intro 01:17 Beginning of the End (rise of digital media, streaming, more) 03:48 Hollywood Pandering (MCU decline, legacy sequels on the rise) 05:58 Give Movies Back to the Youth (Easy Rider Moment) 08:42 What Is For The Older Generations? 09:39 Rise of AI (will it take over, is it art, more) 12:24 Cinema's Rehashing Old Films For Money 13:18 Should We Give Up? 14:41 Bring Back the Mid Budget Film (and why they won't do it) 16:57 Ending On A Positive Note
Maybe The death toll came in 2005 when was invented, they saw it as a cute harmless platform for people to share thoughts and now is the new Hollywood, Just Change the "HOLLYWOOD" sign to "".
Hollywood is no longer in the entertainment business. It is now in the intellectual property business. The industry doesn't make money by its content itself, but by rebooting IPs to generate revenue.
I saw the matrix ressurection movie and I left thinking wtf did I just see😂 the dumbest movie ever made, saw the insidious the last key and dumb movie…the movies today dont have what they did in the 80s,90s and some of 2000, repeat repeat repeat, like why did they make a repeat of beetlejuice? Cant they not think of anything better to make then that movie? Whats out today is absolute garbage and not worth the cost of the theatre
They refuse to make films that pander to fans, they refuse to make the kinds of films people want to see and instead insist on bloated, expensive vanity projects that lecture the audience. It's therefore obvious that they hate the movie-going audiences. Rather than take legitimate criticism on board, they act like the petty, vindictive children that they are and include more of what audiences hate just to "own the chuds' and attack and insult the audience for not liking it. This can't continue forever. Money, greed and the bottom dollar will dictate their future actions
@@KrazyJoe1701 It's the truth, the only colour that really REALLY matters in Hollywood is green, and if they carry on like they are doing, then sooner or later a major studio will have to apply for Chapter 11.
Prioritizing their ideological/political agendas over good story telling is what is killing Hollywood. No one wants to be preached to when they’re watch a movie. Not even the ones who agree with their message.
There is too many reasons.Streaming,social media,woke agendas,expensive tickets,2 years of pandemic for example killed of 3D and affected everything else
The problem is studios are trying to make money solely through nostalgia, but if original films aren’t being made today, then what are people going to be nostalgic over in 20 years? Of course, it doesn’t help that the few original films that do get made people don’t go see, which tells studios to produce more of the same.
Kids have no ties to movie theaters because they grew up in the streaming era that conditioned them not to go out of their way or wait for anything. If you think the landscape is bad now, it’s going to be a hellscape in 10 years
Man, you nailed it. I’ve thought the same for years. When we moved from film to digital, things changed. That change led to more movies being made (sometimes cheaper, sometimes not), and we don’t need more, we need quality. And now, we’re all having to go back to the well of classics (whatever that means for each of us) because almost nothing new is good. But, it can’t move forward this way. We need freshness again!
Gen-X needs to archive the best films from the 80's and 90's in 4K blu-ray so we can bask in the anamorphic film goodness for the rest of our lives. Also, great films from earlier periods like Wings of Desire, Citizen Kane, Vertigo, La Dolce Vita, 8 1/2, The Bird With The Crystal Plumage, Beau Travail, et al should also be a part of everyone's collection and passed on to future generations.
I think what killed cinema was the death of small-mid budget comedies. We still get plenty of small-mid budget films but they're dramas, thrillers, documentries, horror movies, etc. Young people want to laugh, somthing they can go see with friends and have fun. Cinema isn't providing laughs so RUclips and TikTok are filling that void.
@@infirmatube1556 They’re simply not profitable. Take Bruce Almighty and Click, few of the last ones, both had $80M+ budgets, I don’t see enough people taking time out of their lives to go pay $20 a ticket to watch those kind of movies anymore. They belong in streaming now.
@@Puzzoozoo They want Blackrock money 💰 and they'll sacrifice our money to get it. As for Blackrock CEO Larry Fink, he's on record saying his goal is to change OUR behavior and desires.
Think what is killing it is that film studios are conditioning the audience to not go when they bring the films out in digital four weeks later as the is no point in going cinema
I don’t think the big Hollywood studios know how to make mid budget movies anymore. Indies like A24 and Neon can make brilliant films for 20 million or less. Big studios have so much bloat with DEI policies, intimacy coordinators, covid coordinators, etc, that they would make the same movie for 100 million and label it a huge flop.
Not only are modern studios competing against zero-budget streaming content, they're also competing against the sudden, high-quality availability of their entire back catalogues. I do a lot of reviews and see nearly every major release that comes out for free in my local VMAX. There really isn't a complete dearth of good stuff out there, in my opinion, but there's so much of everything that you end up with choice paralysis. If I had to choose between spending AUD70+ on two seats for an unknown quantity or around AUD20-30 for a 4K HDR copy of a film I love that I can watch over and over again on my 85" TV, then I'm probably going with the latter. I also don't buy the "you can't make that today" argument because I saw The Substance and that film is right up there with peak '90s stuff in terms of what can be released in a cinema. I think studios like A24 are doing a great job bringing back the sort of film that gets people buzzing about art, the problem is it's still competing against a tidal-wave of pablum. When the waves of garbage finally die out, what's left will be great.
Well said and completely on board with you... the reason I mentioned the whole "can't be made today" thing is that I'm sick of hearing Blazing Saddles couldn't be made today... like they were for clamoring for it in the 70s. Just make it happen.
I really think it IS happening. If you ask people of my particular milieu in my generation what the biggest sellers of the '90s were, most of them would say bands like Nirvana or similar, but the reality was actually Mariah Carey and Michael Bolton. If you are vagualy sophisticated and choosy, you tend to be in a bubble of people like you who reinforce your belief that the things you're glomming onto at any moment are the "zeitgeist", but the actual zeitgeist is just the junk you'll hear playing in the aisles of a supermarket in thirty years. The discussion is really: Can Hollywood keep pouring USD200m+ into every utterly mediocre, focus-grouped, factory-engineered-to-be-a-blockbuster twelve times a year? The answer is obviously no. Can low-to-mid-budget filmmakers navigate their work into cinemas and hope social media buzz does the marketing for them? I think it's possible, but I don't know how the economics work. I remember there being lots of smaller venues around when I was young, and maybe that's the ticket. Grindhouses were a place for studios to make money off old prints. I think maybe we need a sort of new, digital version of a grindhouse, where you can crowdfund/kickstart the release of your film. Now prints are gone, get d-cinema connections set up and when you reach your target, you play your film to a full house upon opening. It's already a model for direct-to-video releases. Maybe it'll encourage people to take risks to game the "algorithm" and get their films made.
@@theladyfingers___ You're preaching to the choir with Nirvana references... It was unheard of for an unknown band to knock Michael Jackson out the #1 spot on Billboard. Not the rock charts, they dethroned Michael Jackson on the CHART chart... I was only 10 when Nevermind happened, but saying Nirvana (and their views on art) were influential to me is an understatement.
@@theladyfingers___ Ha, I didn't even see the whole comment and replied with Nirvana glee... I think that's a brilliant idea. Indie theaters existing like local venues did for underground music scenes years ago... I never thought about it, but that has to be where some of this is going. With tech growing, one could imagine a group of 3-4 people acting as a full production and screening their films locally (like bands forming and playing shows)... Let's do lunch and flesh this out.
I would disagree. I'm older, and the major reason I don't go to the movie threshers anymore is because of the lack of quality films, social justice/woke narratives, and the same old big-budget remake origin stories (Disney). Also, they've been taking changes for the past four or five years now. If you're paying out billions of dollars on a woke film after the past five have failed, how is that not taking a chance?
Please, the answer is not in RUclipsrs. They’re regular people who do skits or talk, they can’t save an industry. the answer is humanity, which RUclipsrs don’t have
It should be noted Disney embraced mid-budget films through Hollywood Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Audiences not buying tickets to these films ultimately led to each brand closing. I do agree with the assessment we need fresh takes from film makers and financiers willing to back them.
-Ticket prices are so high, people only go to the theater for big budget event films. -Ticket sales go down so prices need to go up. That's the death spiral. You can't make mid-budget movies because no one will find those worth the $20 ticket price.
The cost of a ticket really only spiraled out of control when the studios began churning out the $200 million+ movie. With advertising, the cost doubles to $400 million+ along with press junkets. Then there's the additional costs of re-shoots and longer post-production. Studios have cinema chains jack up ticket prices to recoup their money. That $500 million would be far more lucrative to make ten $50 million movies with original screenplays and great unknown actors. All the studios would need is one out of the ten to be a hit to make their money back on all ten. Then there's the chance that more than one will be a smash hit, with some to even spawn sequels and develop new franchises. Drop the ticket price to seven or eight bucks so some money can be spent at the candy bar, and it will entice people to become regular cinema-goers.
@@Hedgehobbit Studios usually have to split their share of the ticket with their distributor. It works on a sliding scale. The opening week, the studio and distributor combined may take up to 80% of the ticket price, leaving 20% to the cinema. Week two may see 70% going to studio and distributor with 30% to the cinema. This goes on until the film is no longer in demand or has been pushed out of rotation to make way for the next lot of films. Cinema costs aren't cheap, having to pay to power, to rent, to air-condition, to roll film, and to pay staff. Cinemas only really see worthwhile money on average after the sixth or seventh week, when they see over 50% of the ticket sales - though cinemas are constantly losing out due to having to constantly drop these movies out of rotation to make way for the latest releases. The sliding scale cycle begins again, and the cinemas gets screwed. For studios and distributers to yield the greatest returns in such a short rotation, the ticket sales get jacked up. The only net money that cinemas see is from the candy bar. It's the one thing that keeps the lights on and the film rolling. It's also the reason why 20 cents worth of corn costs $9, because keeping a cinema open and functioning isn't cheap. I hope this helps.
Ticket prices have literally never been cheaper. With AMC A-List or Regal Unlimited, you can see as many movies as you want to only 20 bucks a month. It's stupid cheap.
It's an absolute disgrace the way hollywood will turn out in the distant future due to AI and when you walk down hollywood Blvd as i did many times and see every name on the walk of fame was a real person who created hollywood and to imagine This will come to an end is unthinkable.
Films were on their way out in the late 70s with the birth of the blockbuster- since the release of Star Wars, it’s all about how much money can be taken in, NOT about making a good movie. You know you’re in trouble when the first things these producers ask is, “can we make a sequel outta this” (i worked in the business too and heard this actually being asked). People have gotten hurt and even killed because of the quest for more money on these movies in one way or another and it has simply gotten worse as the years went on. Now it’s expected that a film make its money back within weeks of its being in the theaters despite the overall laziness of the projects as a whole (sequels, remakes of films that didn’t require it, etc.). The worst part is the arrogance of everyone who would make these films- they’re actually PROUD OF these films and believe they’re making high-art.
Yeah totally agree with what you said here. The industry needs to tell better stories and less flash bang kind of stuff. That would be cool if the indie scene made a comeback. History does repeat it self. I have a funny feeling people have good stories and scripts but Hollywood doesnt want to make them. I agree the cat is out of the bag and there is no going back. I like how you ended the video with saying go out and make a movie. Didnt Tarantino say make the movie you want to see?
This is a crazy take. In what world would any company willingly take a hit and damage their reputation on the promise of a technology that may or may not come to pass 10-20 or even 30 years down the line.
Me and the wife both 50 now , we looked at our local cinema for something to watch, nothing on apart from Beeteljuice .... so that cost us £30 and was a total waste of a night out
The cost of a ticket really only spiraled out of control when the studios began churning out the $200 million+ movie. With advertising, the cost doubles to $400 million+ along with press junkets. Then there's the additional costs of re-shoots and longer post-production. Studios have cinema chains jack up ticket prices to recoup their money. That $500 million would be far more lucrative to make ten $50 million movies with original screenplays and great unknown actors. All the studios would need is one out of the ten to be a hit to make their money back on all ten. Then there's the chance that more than one will be a smash hit, with some to even spawn sequels and develop new franchises. Drop the ticket price to seven or eight bucks so some money can be spent at the candy bar, and it will entice people to become regular cinema-goers...*so long as identity politics is kept out of the equation.
Hollywood is all about reboots remakes sequels prequels and stuff like that and they have been bring back stuff from the 90's for the past 20 years or so and thats one of the biggest problems they can not come up with new good content
There's so much to say about this topic. I love going to the movies but it's getting harder and harder to do so when you are at the point of only going one night a week on your closest theater's discount night. Prices are too expensive. I also go mostly for older movies being screened in theaters and the death of the mid budget movie is a huge part of the problem. Not all movies have to be all things to all people.
This is an excellent and very thought provoking video. I’m a little older than you guys but damn I understand and I can completely relate to everything you’re saying. I’m a guy who for years would consistently visit the theater at least 2x a month. Now it’s almost never. In fact the last movie I saw in the theater was Halloween Ends two years ago. I’ve grown to loathe the movie theater experience and I know I’m certainly not alone in thinking this way.
You're not alone here... and while all of it is admittedly depressing, we can't change it until we truthfully acknowledge what is (and has been) going on.
People are jerks in the theater now. Every single time, there’s someone on a phone, or someone talking, or someone shoving food in their face loudly. I hate it.
@josephmayfield945 Phones are the sole reason I don't go... when a light flashes, I'm removed from the immersion. Even if it happens once, I'm on edge for the next 15 minutes expecting it again... too expensive to have what I went for ruined.
Also, might I add, shows on television have gotten very good. Shows like Breaking Bad and early days of Walking Dead are keeping people at home as well. There is more desire by the studios to make their streaming services succeed .
There’s no coincidence that the rise in the collectors market is happening, the same as collectors vinyl. People will pay for nice editions of movies, however mainstream Hollywood is about as generic and idea vacant because it’s all about appealing to the widest mass of people to make the most money.
Patrick Willems did an amazing essay about this. TL:dr, it’s not as doom and gloom as it seems. HW isn’t going to die but it might need to change and change is rarely comfortable.
Whilst I partially agree with the sentiment in this discussion, I can't help but think that's framing things poorly? Give content creators a budget? Do they even need one? What if their content is successful as is, now? Are we suggesting that we need a 2 hour long challenge or prank movie? A drama with caption bubbles and emoji stickers over it? Or that we need a 15 second movies? A video-essay with Robert Downey jr. as narrator? Does anyone remember the Angry Video Game Nerd Movie? I think it's fairly apples and oranges, both mediums are at their best when they're not trying to be one another. Much like videogames and movies. We may reach a new hybrid but I still think there will be a strong, clear differentiation. There's also a statement in there about we shouldn't try to go back to replicate a golden era of movies. Well, we have gone back, even further, as tiktoks could be somewhat comparable to early nickelodeons and Vaudeville peep-show shorts. Though will a new veil of grass-root created 'authenticity' (be that true authenticity or not) so it's possible the pendulum will swing back. I think cinema already adapted with the likes of Walking Dead, Breaking bad, True Detective s1 etc. These examples were all shot on celluloid film and are still binged watched by younger people. The overall run time is far beyond that of a movie and in some cases are taken more seriously than movies. That was the change! There's often far better written stuff in that domain than cinema too. The next change needs to be putting film and perhaps even TV back into the hands of normal people, presenting the same authenticity that short-form consumers are addicted to, perhaps even more naturalistic lighting and dialogue. There will be less movie stars, less money and pay in the industry, and less people getting into it for all the wrong reasons. Authentic creators, authentic consumers. And there are more tools than ever for the common joe to reach a once gatekept standard. We need people getting into and creating a film industry to make profitable art, not millions or 3 times their budget back. Larger profit margins. One thing we won't be able to go back on though is spectacle. Your Jerry Maguire better have explosions.
All valid points... I'd only say when I use the term "RUclipsr", I'm really saying young creatives in general who have an interest. I didn't mean kitchen sink it, but I could have made that more clear.
And I wouldn't consider Angry Video Game Nerd the youth... His movie also wasn't backed in the way I'm suggesting, plus it was I'm guessing 10 years ago now? Tech is going fast.
Ok, I only listened to half of this because you're excluding like 1/4 of film fanatics. Who's that? The conspiracy/occult/alt-right alt media folks. I agree with what was said in what I saw and you did a better job than other similar videos as far as having a difference of viewpoints debating the issue as well as being frank about needing to focus on going to the youth to entice them to see their RUclips heroes on the big screen with its broadcast media promo cultural power. Going back to the Easy Rider movie as a reference - just because its a good movie, story and it helped blow up the hippie lifestyle we now see the downside of that - encouraging youth to use drugs as a secular religion. Whatever hope may have been in hippieism, it died with Charles Manson and the 80's was a return to worshipping material wealth. This excerpt is an example of how politics has always been apart of art and Hollywood, especially in its heyday. The alt-right folks have their own problems they can't blame Hollywood and the Devil on. We're wired by societyand biology to worship idols, whether spiritual or physical, as models of what a winner is as well as behavior we may be interested in voyeuristically but isn't realistic or positive. From my experience, many have spent years trying to avoid mainstream media like we would junk food. However, there hasn't been much success with alternative culture systems like crowdfunding and sourcing yet with movies and music, like podcasting, which has created a new form of media. I think we should reverse engineer how media has been used to program our culture using fun entertainment which exposes us to new ideas which are serious. I submit Robo-Cop as a high point in sci-fi in this regard. We need to create a culture to rival what Hollywood was but for independent production not just of a media product but of a cultural program we co-create. Star Wars and Disney was the old way where a megacorp had the power to take risks - that's over because capitalism is over because it was only used to incentivize us to connect the world in a new world disorder. Now, everything is switching to a blend of opposites globally (half commie, half capitalistic - an overtly managed reality, a virtual reality). The only alternative left is part small biz, part art, religion and science where we work with people either who share our passion like wanting to make our own Star Wars style movies used to actually promote actual progress in space exploration via private cooperatives. Or, to find radicals from different sides who will negotiate on a project because if we continue to be this divided none of us will be able to be successful. So, that is a labor of love like becoming a teacher or priest. Instead of the elites using celebrity to entice us to aspire to be more wealthy materially and live in unsustainable excess - we can create a new social class of imagineers like Disney had but run voluntarily vs. by a fascist corporation. Because Elon wants your children or your neighbors' kids to have neuralink installed so they can achieve goals like making a movie but this will end criticsl thinking and having to struggle with emotions, which is needed to produce good art, business and science. We're wasting time arguing and being socially separated and creating and consuming sub par alt content seen by 10 people designed to die like how condoms stop babies from being born. Do people actually buy the books promoted by podcasts? Do listeners take the time to even leave a detailed review when they share said link on social media? I'm just speaking to fellow movie lovers asking us to blame ourselves in equal share with how the transition to the digital inter et has created more problems than it solves, which is typical of tech evolution. The powers that be made the internet and social media and we're.still free enough to develop the next big thing which is decentralized government wherw we work on projects knowing that the ride to the destination is just as important. We have to co-create a future for humanity vs. A.I. letalone deal with the death of Hollywood. We have to choose to put ourselves in discomfort to co-create similar to how people used to go to Hollywood to be somebody. We have to accept that fiction and reality are inter-related. Church died and pop-cult consumerism is dying and many people are dying in a planned WW3 and we won't stop that. Instead of enticing rich boomer youth to sell drugs and become degenerates and being so lost in fantasy via media people buy into such a scam; our opportunity is to work within a small area created for us to prove we're worth keeping around based on the quality of art product we can create as part of a new class of problem solvers vs the idiots who want to pick a side in a fake war.
The film as art analogy is pretty accurate. Physical collections are essentially museums. Places of heritage to look after the "good stuff". As modern art does not look as good as the older stuff, the "classics", so film today is competing against better material made in the past. This analysis definitely put the finger on the pulse. Modern cinema is competing against on-demand video that is omnipresent. There is so much content that people can gravitate to what they like without the need to "discover" new stuff. This is compelled by the low cost of entry. A YT Premium cost for one month is equivalent to a cinema ticket for one film. Add in home theater experiences. Add in woke agenda politics that take away credibility or good story telling. Add in lack of talent or risk taking. Add in the need to monetize every big budget film to a billion dollar box office often by appealing to the lowest common dominator. Add in subscription services which bombard us with choice, sometimes with pretty good shows that suck hundreds of hours. Add in the cost of a cinema ticket. Add in the breakdown in social norms when people have forgotten how to behave in public spaces. Add in general apathy in getting your arse to the cinema (that accelerated with COVID) with little awareness on whether you are getting value for money. Going to see a film for 2 hours plus only to come out and say "well that sucked" just reinforces the opinion its better to "wait until it comes to streaming" as the value proposition changes somewhat. Add in the fact people want "experiences" with (mass) tourism or paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars for concerts or going to fancy restaurants and the theatre when "you" become the hero instead of watching someone else on screen. Is it any wonder why cinema is dying. Technology has now enabled everyone to become a storyteller. This is the same existential threat cinema faced in the 50s with the advent of television only turned up to 100. Cinema reinvented itself in the 60s and what I consider to be the best decade in cinema, the 70s. The films then carried a message, they spoke about politics and social issues. They addressed issues that spoke to the common man. Today it's all spandex and CGI in a time when so much can be addressed. Look at Oppenheimer. A film about nuclear anxiety and made a billion dollars. Look at Barbie. A film about social awareness and it made a billion dollars. Look at Inside Out 2. A film about the pain of growing up. It made a billion dollars. Look at the Joker. A film about rage. It made a billion dollars. Look at Joker 2. A film about nothing...with songs. Hollywood is making nothing of interest. Kids are getting bored of consuming franchises that were once popular during the time when their parents were young (in all honesty, don't you get bored when you hear your parents tell you they had more fun) and adults are pandered to or just reminded we are all getting old as our film stars pass into their retirement age. As other comments have said on this video, cinema is losing its way because IT itself does not know what it takes to make money and also be entertaining and hip. For example I recently watched Dungeons and Dragons Honour Among Thieves and thought it was excellent and very funny, a film I had zero expectations going in. That film got lost in the shuffle and did low box-office. Is it any wonder why the industry is scratching its head if we, as consumers, are sending so many mixed messages.
To your point about competing with the past, I remember being blown away in recent years how Kate Bush, I believe Metallica, and a few others hit Top 10 due to Stranger Things... I know this would happen occasionally in the past, "Bohemian Rhapsody" in Wayne's World did the same thing, but it's increasing I feel. Most things nowadays aren't meant to last, they're just for right now.
On top of not enough good movies coming out lately to bring me to the theaters, they just charge too damn much. I don't even get concessions or anything when I go. Even a standard movie ticket is minimum like $15 where I am. And IMAX? No thanks. Not at $30+ just for one ticket. I can buy a movie on 4k or Blu ray and watch it a million times for that price. I miss the early morning matinees on the weekend where I could go see a movie for like $5. I literally used to go see something almost every week in those times. Now, I might go see 1-2 movies in an entire year.
AI is inevitable and will destroy the old ways, but it will also usher in a new way. If you're expecting to sit back and wait for someone in Hollywood to 'discover' you or include you in their dying game, you will lose. But, if you become a creator and start making your own work, you will be fine.
Big problem about going to the youth... in the '60s, kids under thirty were the largest demographic cohort. Today the biggest cohort is in their 40s. You can't fight the numbers.
While true, it's their kids those 40-somethings' money goes to... Hence, advertising focuses on youth. It serves a double purpose in instilling fear to the same 40-somethings (your youth is fading, buy this).
Right now we're getting a lot of quality movies. The quality is there. We have great filmmakers, great scripts, great stories. We just need butts in seats and what killed that was Covid. 2019 was the biggest year for the movies ever...more billion dollar hits than ever before. I've heard people make the TOTALLY FALSE claim that theaters were dying prior to Covid, but that is provably untrue. Covid hurt theaters but we're currently in a slow recovery. Honestly, theaters would have totally bounced back by now if the studios weren't making so many missteps like rushing streaming or PVOD. The 90 day theatrical exclusivity window needs to come back
The only reason I am not worried about this is because I know for a fact I haven’t seen every movie from my favorite genres pre 2010s I probably have a lifetime to catch up on movies. Even if I did then I’ll give in and examine romcoms 😂
I say this all the time... My quote is "even if I focused solely on the 70s and did a movie a day, I'd still never get through them all before I die". The reward ratio going back and catching ones you missed is so much higher than taking a chance on anything being forced on you today.
Movie studios don't make real movies anymore. They just make products aimed at target demographics. The most depressing thing I hear said these days is, "That movie wasn't made for me". Movies should exist for everyone to enjoy. Yes, a particular kind of film will appeal more to a particular kind of demographic but that shouldn't exclude others from enjoying it. But after seeing Alien: Romulus, I can honestly say Hollywood has a problem with storytelling. Instead of coherent plots, today's movies are just a string of action or CGI scenes held together by a flimsy plot
For many years with minor exceptions watch everything online websites for free. Detective Pikachu and Godzilla Minus one are the only recent movies I went and saw in theaters. Anything else I watched online for free.
I 100% agree. If AI actually flawlessly will be able to make feature films, that will be the future no matter how much we dislike it. I’m ready to just embrace it actually. Why not? I can’t stop it. Give me Back to the Future 4 looking like it was shot only 1 year after part 3. Give me Star Wars movies that fit in with the original trilogy that looks like a early 80’s film. I’m even down for a new season of Seinfeld. Whatever, give me everything. Will I miss the old way? I can always go back with my 4K UHD blu ray collection of the classics.
I'm totally with you on AI filmmaking. All those great movies that never got a sequel due to budget or TV shows that could have had another season (like original Star Trek). All that is possible now if any studio is brave enough to try it.
I enjoyed it, but I've stated from the jump it's a reflection of our times and will be unintentionally hilarious in years to come (it already is). The movie literally had to leave the antagonist nameless to not offend.
@@russceasetheruss5360 I think we all figured it was Iran; however, when the fighter jets left the carrier, across the ocean onto land.. it was clearly Big Sur lol
I'm 53 and I think I'm still raging against the light, even my 20 something year old children, I have to show them old movies to show them really good stuff
Hollywood is going direct to video . Every actor is doing direct to video . I looked at all these movies on Peacock alone and I've never heard of the majority of the movies they have because they were never in theaters . Hollywood studios want to kill movie theaters .
Damn. Russ is the “King Of Dour.” I’m surprised at the end you two didn’t put a “In Memoriam” of all the celebrities we grew up with who died. And to make us feel really old, tell us kid celebrities who are now almost 50. Where’s my walker? 😂
The decline began with the 2000s, like Baldwin said here the stories got worse and I think the acting too and of course the whole cinematography thing changed. That Hollywood will die isn't such a bad thing, I wish they'd stop making new movies right now today because 99,9% is total garbage anyway. It's over. Forget about it. Concentrate on preserving of all the movies from the past good and bad ones, let future generation watch those there's enough there worldwide to (re)discover and last as great entertainment for an eternity. We don't need new products anymore, the best is already made goes for music and TV too, shut it all down and let the studios become museums for people to visit.
It's weird to me that new movies always look worse than 80's films. Even low Budget films like Halloween look better than anything made today. We will never get movies like Back to the Future or E.T. or Nightmare on Elm Street. Great movies, great stories, and they looked fantastic. PG-13 sucks now too. Look at Poltergeist. A PG rated film is more graphic than even some rated R films today. I'm a horror gal and I hate that most big budget horror films now have to be PG-13 in order to make the children happy cause god forbid children see any blood. I watched way more graphic stuff as a kid and I'm fine. I knew it was fake. The biggest issue for most (not all) new movies is lack of character development. Compare the original Alien to Romulus. Alien has a great story with great fleshed out characters that you care about. I didn't care about any of the characters in Romulus. I love that movies are becoming more inclusive in terms of race and sexual orientation but the characters themselves are all just so bland. The look different but they are all the same. It's crazy! Not to mention how bland the movie looked. Everything was brown. The original Alien was colorful and vibrant. And it's a space movie. New movies look like crap. I don't mind legacy sequels if they are good. I don't even mind remakes if they are good. Most remakes are crap. I could rant on and on but screw it. I have a good collection of Blu-rays mostly from the 70's and 80's.
I think people stopped reading books, and started playing more video games. So they have a very weak sense of narrative and how to properly tell a story.
@josephmayfield945 The class of Scorsese, Spielberg, Lucas, etc. were all French new wave inspired gents and the first to go to "film school". The next crop, the Spike Lees, Jarmuschs, etc. expanded on them. The next wave, think Tarantino, were educated BY movies. Him, Kevin Smith and others were the video store generation... I think you hit the nail on the head with pointing out video games took over the generation after them and why movies became video games.
@@josephmayfield945 That tracks. I tried watching Evil Dead 2 with my nieces and nephew and they got bored during the opening credits. How short have attention spans gotten? It's crazy
@@redwillow79schippers94 I don't understand why so easily kids nowadays saying "it's boring" to most everything and they can't sit still, they always fidgeting.
2024 is the worst year for hollywood and western animation in general thats why the asian media and japan is dominating 2024. 2025 is going to be worse for hollywood and disney.
Extremely well done video. It's too bad the news is so depressing but very accurate. Was that the real Steven Baldwin or just AI? Probably AI, since he hasn't been in anything in a long time. lol
Not gonna lie the RUclipsr take is NOT IT. right now who’s going to go out and see money are Zoomers, and as a zoomer and to speak for everyone my age I know, none of us would TOUCH a RUclipsr film, we want extremely cool shit that’s unique and new and affecting, A24s turnout without fail are the kind of films most anyone my age goes out and sees. Everything else is MAYBE seen later on streaming.
I understand... but for it to survive it has to go to them. I won't like it either, but it needs to happen so the industry survives, the youth get their place, and we get our vinyl ressurection moment with movies.
In my experiences, the youth are checking out A24 films also. They're a bright spot right now, and this is coming from someone who isn't a die-hard fan of their output.
I kinda wanna hear more of that interview from GDT. that quote hit me hard but I always wondered guys, what's your favorite bone thugs n harmony song? East 1999 is up there for me I can't get that beat out of my head sometimes
His mistake was he assumed his outlook was part of the technical shortcuts he was championing. For most, it became an increasingly evolving shortcut to eradicate the passion that people like Lucas once had.
@tylerwagner1978 Completely agree... limitations force creativity. Of course, digital has benefits (namely, cost) but if we're sacrificing the creativity, who cares.
Did you guys like The Batman from Matt Reeves? I couldn’t get into it. The cinematography was great, Pattinson was ok as Bruce and Bats, but throughout the whole movie I thought why. Why another Batman movie, the same realistic take as Nolan? Why? The story went nowhere… there was zero chemistry between all the characters. Gordon was off, Alfred was off, Falcone was off (John Turturro?!?) he isn’t the problem, the writers were, the one action scene that made the room shake and was worth it was the carchase, BUT how it all started, why the f does Penguin jump in his car when he saw Bats revving his musclebatcar asking for a carchase. Why? Wouldn’t it be more interesting if he got caught while driving in his Maserati? And the end tried to be a goosebump climax while again WHY? There was nothing during that long bore that took me by the neck. How can you build a climax when you got no real gripping story?!? Again Paul Dano, great actor, but wtf was his representation as the Riddler? Him trying to overact to achieve a Heath Ledger/Joker moment, which wasn’t needed, he just needed to do his own Riddler, but no. What a 3hr long trainwreck The Batman was. My eyes never hurt so much watching a 3hr long movie because of the non stop eye rolling. Batman and Batman Returns from Burton were THE Batflicks. They were a cinema experience/ treat. Gotham City was an awesome art deco city, great soundtrack, great cast from Keaton to Kim Basinger to Michelle Pfeiffer to Christopher Walken to DeVito to Michael Gough to Jack Nicholson, the batmobile, everything clicked. Nothing clicked in Matt Reeves’s movie. And Nolan did the “realistic” take of Batman way better. What do you guys think about the movie? Am I the only one who thought it was bad? Btw diff topic but Summer School does need a 4K someday, hopefully!
I've seen The Batman (I don''t think Matt has), and I completely agree with everything you said.... I suppose I wasn't as offended only because it was exactly what I was expecting. I believe we did a trailer reaction in the early days of this channel and I remember a person going off in the comments defending the film based on the trailer. I'm sure if I re-read that, I was right on all of it 😂... In all fairness, the director is a journeyman at best and that's how I knew at full potential it could only be mid. I agree again on Burton's flicks... but I won't pretend to know comics, and I know his movies divide people on their lack of source material dedication. As movies though, they are easily the most superior Batman films in terms of entertainment and design by a long shot. Nolan's may be superior films, but Burton's are getting more replay. Schumacher doesn't exist. Lastly, hell yeah to a Shout Select 4K of Summer School... I'd upgrade immediately. Truly an underrated 80s movie, so underrated.
@@russceasetheruss5360Amen to that brother. I’m going to check the trailer reaction. Am a great fan of the channel, nothing but respect for the work you guys do! Greets from Belgium, Laurent
Movie theaters are all done , Expensive Ticket Prices , Concession stand stuff prices , Terrible Type Crap movies mostly coming out only mostly around only , Annoying crowds , and NOW Assigned Seating , what a horrible idea. Great for the theaters maybe maximizing every seat but for us audience I find it horrible dumb and stupid to have at all. We cant even ever Expect Star Wars or The MCU to be spectacular ever again to vibes are around too. Just My Opinions.
@davebooshty299 Assigned seating is lame, this shouldn't be elementary school... Not to mention, it's always an excuse to whip out the phone and shine a light to check they're in the right aisle, the right seat number... sitting down is complicated.
I am making it my mission to preserve film, by any means necessary. I'm gonna be a force of justice; a costumed vigilante that abducts people, takes them to an underground living room theater, straps them down and forces them to watch classic selections from my exemplary collection. By the time I'm finished they will be refined, have better taste, and demand better than the garbage we often get these days. Problem solved.
How was it an accident? Seemed clear to me Phillips wanted to make a Scorsese-like gritty film and wanted to make a statement by saying it can only get made today if you attach it to a comic book.
the thing is that nothing special is coming up anymore, just copy of the copy like Spiderman e.c. plus the scandals that coming ip to light from what happend to kids and Co. there. Its not the same image anymore. Netflix is also a reason
I don’t know why Hollywood has to be the be all & end all when the Indies and Foreign Film can step up. Yes sure try to get the youth involved but there are so many aspiring, talented & hungry filmmakers of various ages out there from 18 to 65 who have been overlooked for years in favour of those current crop of awful filmmakers making all these terrible films today handing the victory to Megacorporate backed crappy AI
I agree, but Americans don't want to read... I wish it weren't true, but even the smart ones have some knee-jerk, zero tolerance reaction to subtitles... Not all of us... but sadly, most.
about your 80s crushes video i believe the main thing that made pheobe cates so popular yes she was attractive but there were more attractive actresses then her but she was hot in a girl next next door kind of way if fast times were made today in an era of social media would she even register
@@enriquecabada8841 Spot on... it was relatable. The narrative made the appeal more than just her looks... and who knew... people respond massively to human commonalities rather than pointing out flaws in others at all times.
It was not the last writer strike but the one before that. All the talented writers retired and went home. After that the DEI corruption was infused into the current system. They thought that viewers would take in the crap they produced. They thought wrong. Now they all just try to remake anything that worked before but destroy it by adding the crap no one wants to watch. It sucks but at least we have many years of actually good stuff to watch again and again.
Preach, Russ. Y'all have a decade on me, but I see the writing on the wall as well. Young people are where the money is and Hollywood has to evolve. Instead they keep serving us memberberris.
I appreciate you, i_ons... are you a fan of Harmony Korine? He's doing some interesting things in terms of pushing the boundaries of "cinema" right now, and it may end up being terrible, but I'm excited to see it evolve. Shit has been too stagnant for too long, and I feel once the evolution is complete into the new artform, THEN we will see the resurgence of what we love (think the return of vinyl).
@@russceasetheruss5360 I’m ashamed to say that Spring Breakers is the only Harmony Korine flick I’ve see, though I did like it. I’m really only trying buy 4Ks right now and his classic films seem to be streaming pariahs, in the US at least, so they’ve avoided me. Though I’ll be watching Gummo when it shows up later this month from Criterion. I also can’t wait for the “machine” to figure out where video storytelling is headed technologically, so the art can be kick started again. We need them kids to fund the good shit.
Can I ask you, as someone younger, do you get excited about Beetlejuice? I was 6 when that came out and adored it as a child, but I can't imagine anyone outside of my demographic truly biting into those memberberries.
@@russceasetheruss5360 I’m probably the wrong person to ask about Beetlejuice. I’ve never jived with that movie. For years I (born ‘91) detested it. My better half (born ‘89) loves it and the prospect of a sequel hit her right in the nostalgia. She was introduced to it by an older brother and has fond memories of watching it while young while I caught it on TBS or TNT after school movie channels. Before seeing Beetlejuice 2 I watched the original for the fourth time, by myself and with an adult frame of reference, to give it its fair shake. Ultimately I just don’t think the aesthetic is that interesting and the pacing feels lopsided. Lots of setup and world building then Beetlejuice shows up and the movie ends. The second one was manufactured slop, as expected, but having no real attachment or reverence for the original made me more forgiving of it. It was just a modern “turn your brain off” movie. There was a dance number to MacArthur Park at the end that surprised me a bit. It was a firm 4/10 and we both felt that way. Will not be picking it up on 4k.
@i_ons Even if we were in some artistic renaissance, I'd have no interest in Beetlejuice 2. We all knew it'd be exactly what it is, but Tim Burton was hit hard by the Hollywood landscape shifting. He's outwardly stated he can't tell a good script from a bad one, and in this century, all mainstream scripts are just checklists to get to the next CGI set piece... Imagine him doing a script where the sole intention is to check boxes on nostalgia beats (Beetlejuice 2). We will never get another Ed Wood from him.
The reason it is dying is mainly because they refuse to make movies people will watch. There are other structural problems too, but those are not the main reason. They refuse to make movies that people will watch, because the good movies that people will watch do not fit their political agenda. These people are used to getting their way, to not suffer, and to always have all the resources in the world to promote "the message". Now the problems they have caused are not just trickling downards, it's trickling upwards, and the people in the C suites will loose their jobs too. I don't feel sorry for them. From the ashes of woke Hollywood a new dawn will rise.
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Why do you think Hollywood is dying? Is it too late to turn this ship around? Let us know below!
00:00 Intro
01:17 Beginning of the End (rise of digital media, streaming, more)
03:48 Hollywood Pandering (MCU decline, legacy sequels on the rise)
05:58 Give Movies Back to the Youth (Easy Rider Moment)
08:42 What Is For The Older Generations?
09:39 Rise of AI (will it take over, is it art, more)
12:24 Cinema's Rehashing Old Films For Money
13:18 Should We Give Up?
14:41 Bring Back the Mid Budget Film (and why they won't do it)
16:57 Ending On A Positive Note
Maybe The death toll came in 2005 when was invented, they saw it as a cute harmless platform for people to share thoughts and now is the new Hollywood, Just Change the "HOLLYWOOD" sign to "".
Hollywood is no longer in the entertainment business. It is now in the intellectual property business. The industry doesn't make money by its content itself, but by rebooting IPs to generate revenue.
@@4K_Kings Lose the shades, they’re laughable.
I saw the matrix ressurection movie and I left thinking wtf did I just see😂 the dumbest movie ever made, saw the insidious the last key and dumb movie…the movies today dont have what they did in the 80s,90s and some of 2000, repeat repeat repeat, like why did they make a repeat of beetlejuice? Cant they not think of anything better to make then that movie? Whats out today is absolute garbage and not worth the cost of the theatre
Lousy scripts go back to Day One. But in the 2020s, too many of them are now both lousy & way too political. Too much CGI too.
They refuse to make films that pander to fans, they refuse to make the kinds of films people want to see and instead insist on bloated, expensive vanity projects that lecture the audience.
It's therefore obvious that they hate the movie-going audiences.
Rather than take legitimate criticism on board, they act like the petty, vindictive children that they are and include more of what audiences hate just to "own the chuds' and attack and insult the audience for not liking it.
This can't continue forever. Money, greed and the bottom dollar will dictate their future actions
That is so inane.
@@KrazyJoe1701 It's the truth, the only colour that really REALLY matters in Hollywood is green, and if they carry on like they are doing, then sooner or later a major studio will have to apply for Chapter 11.
Prioritizing their ideological/political agendas over good story telling is what is killing Hollywood. No one wants to be preached to when they’re watch a movie. Not even the ones who agree with their message.
That makes NO SENSE.
@@KrazyJoe1701 Sure it does. That’s why woke movies always fail. Even their own audience doesn’t support them.
@@deathbymazda There is no such think as "woke"
@@KrazyJoe1701 Sure there is. I say the word and millions of people know exactly what I mean.
Sociopolitical messages have always been in films. You're whining because you don't like the messages being pushed right now.
There is too many reasons.Streaming,social media,woke agendas,expensive tickets,2 years of pandemic for example killed of 3D and affected everything else
The problem is studios are trying to make money solely through nostalgia, but if original films aren’t being made today, then what are people going to be nostalgic over in 20 years? Of course, it doesn’t help that the few original films that do get made people don’t go see, which tells studios to produce more of the same.
Blame the consumer
The studios will just keep rebooting IPs.
FALSE. Studios are making TONS of original projects. Blame the AUDIENCE. They aren't paying to see the original stuff.
Kids have no ties to movie theaters because they grew up in the streaming era that conditioned them not to go out of their way or wait for anything. If you think the landscape is bad now, it’s going to be a hellscape in 10 years
Everyone knew the Borderlands movie was going to be bad; it had nothing to do with young people.
@@markanderson7236 I mean, what demographic do you think they were aiming for? But you're right, everyone knew.
It looked really good. The trailers were great
Man, you nailed it. I’ve thought the same for years. When we moved from film to digital, things changed. That change led to more movies being made (sometimes cheaper, sometimes not), and we don’t need more, we need quality. And now, we’re all having to go back to the well of classics (whatever that means for each of us) because almost nothing new is good. But, it can’t move forward this way. We need freshness again!
Gen-X needs to archive the best films from the 80's and 90's in 4K blu-ray so we can bask in the anamorphic film goodness for the rest of our lives. Also, great films from earlier periods like Wings of Desire, Citizen Kane, Vertigo, La Dolce Vita, 8 1/2, The Bird With The Crystal Plumage, Beau Travail, et al should also be a part of everyone's collection and passed on to future generations.
I think what killed cinema was the death of small-mid budget comedies. We still get plenty of small-mid budget films but they're dramas, thrillers, documentries, horror movies, etc. Young people want to laugh, somthing they can go see with friends and have fun. Cinema isn't providing laughs so RUclips and TikTok are filling that void.
@@infirmatube1556 They’re simply not profitable. Take Bruce Almighty and Click, few of the last ones, both had $80M+ budgets, I don’t see enough people taking time out of their lives to go pay $20 a ticket to watch those kind of movies anymore. They belong in streaming now.
Nothing killed cinema. It's alive and well.
Hollywierd doesn't really care about money anymore, it's all about THE MESSAGE now.
A 'message' being shown in near empty movie theatres.
@@Puzzoozoo They want Blackrock money 💰 and they'll sacrifice our money to get it. As for Blackrock CEO Larry Fink, he's on record saying his goal is to change OUR behavior and desires.
Think what is killing it is that film studios are conditioning the audience to not go when they bring the films out in digital four weeks later as the is no point in going cinema
The Stephen Baldwin bits are hilarious.
I don’t think the big Hollywood studios know how to make mid budget movies anymore. Indies like A24 and Neon can make brilliant films for 20 million or less. Big studios have so much bloat with DEI policies, intimacy coordinators, covid coordinators, etc, that they would make the same movie for 100 million and label it a huge flop.
Not only are modern studios competing against zero-budget streaming content, they're also competing against the sudden, high-quality availability of their entire back catalogues. I do a lot of reviews and see nearly every major release that comes out for free in my local VMAX. There really isn't a complete dearth of good stuff out there, in my opinion, but there's so much of everything that you end up with choice paralysis. If I had to choose between spending AUD70+ on two seats for an unknown quantity or around AUD20-30 for a 4K HDR copy of a film I love that I can watch over and over again on my 85" TV, then I'm probably going with the latter.
I also don't buy the "you can't make that today" argument because I saw The Substance and that film is right up there with peak '90s stuff in terms of what can be released in a cinema. I think studios like A24 are doing a great job bringing back the sort of film that gets people buzzing about art, the problem is it's still competing against a tidal-wave of pablum. When the waves of garbage finally die out, what's left will be great.
Well said and completely on board with you... the reason I mentioned the whole "can't be made today" thing is that I'm sick of hearing Blazing Saddles couldn't be made today... like they were for clamoring for it in the 70s. Just make it happen.
I really think it IS happening.
If you ask people of my particular milieu in my generation what the biggest sellers of the '90s were, most of them would say bands like Nirvana or similar, but the reality was actually Mariah Carey and Michael Bolton.
If you are vagualy sophisticated and choosy, you tend to be in a bubble of people like you who reinforce your belief that the things you're glomming onto at any moment are the "zeitgeist", but the actual zeitgeist is just the junk you'll hear playing in the aisles of a supermarket in thirty years.
The discussion is really: Can Hollywood keep pouring USD200m+ into every utterly mediocre, focus-grouped, factory-engineered-to-be-a-blockbuster twelve times a year? The answer is obviously no. Can low-to-mid-budget filmmakers navigate their work into cinemas and hope social media buzz does the marketing for them? I think it's possible, but I don't know how the economics work.
I remember there being lots of smaller venues around when I was young, and maybe that's the ticket. Grindhouses were a place for studios to make money off old prints. I think maybe we need a sort of new, digital version of a grindhouse, where you can crowdfund/kickstart the release of your film. Now prints are gone, get d-cinema connections set up and when you reach your target, you play your film to a full house upon opening. It's already a model for direct-to-video releases. Maybe it'll encourage people to take risks to game the "algorithm" and get their films made.
@@theladyfingers___ You're preaching to the choir with Nirvana references... It was unheard of for an unknown band to knock Michael Jackson out the #1 spot on Billboard. Not the rock charts, they dethroned Michael Jackson on the CHART chart... I was only 10 when Nevermind happened, but saying Nirvana (and their views on art) were influential to me is an understatement.
@@theladyfingers___ Ha, I didn't even see the whole comment and replied with Nirvana glee... I think that's a brilliant idea. Indie theaters existing like local venues did for underground music scenes years ago... I never thought about it, but that has to be where some of this is going. With tech growing, one could imagine a group of 3-4 people acting as a full production and screening their films locally (like bands forming and playing shows)...
Let's do lunch and flesh this out.
Gimme a shout next time you're in Australia, haha.
I love that the channel is called 4k news and your video is in 1440p 😂❤
Very few movies are worth the price of the ticket. Most wait for the streaming release.
I would disagree. I'm older, and the major reason I don't go to the movie threshers anymore is because of the lack of quality films, social justice/woke narratives, and the same old big-budget remake origin stories (Disney). Also, they've been taking changes for the past four or five years now. If you're paying out billions of dollars on a woke film after the past five have failed, how is that not taking a chance?
I agree Hollywood is dying, but I really loved Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.
nailed it
Please, the answer is not in RUclipsrs. They’re regular people who do skits or talk, they can’t save an industry. the answer is humanity, which RUclipsrs don’t have
It should be noted Disney embraced mid-budget films through Hollywood Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Audiences not buying tickets to these films ultimately led to each brand closing. I do agree with the assessment we need fresh takes from film makers and financiers willing to back them.
-Ticket prices are so high, people only go to the theater for big budget event films.
-Ticket sales go down so prices need to go up.
That's the death spiral. You can't make mid-budget movies because no one will find those worth the $20 ticket price.
The cost of a ticket really only spiraled out of control when the studios began churning out the $200 million+ movie. With advertising, the cost doubles to $400 million+ along with press junkets. Then there's the additional costs of re-shoots and longer post-production. Studios have cinema chains jack up ticket prices to recoup their money. That $500 million would be far more lucrative to make ten $50 million movies with original screenplays and great unknown actors. All the studios would need is one out of the ten to be a hit to make their money back on all ten. Then there's the chance that more than one will be a smash hit, with some to even spawn sequels and develop new franchises. Drop the ticket price to seven or eight bucks so some money can be spent at the candy bar, and it will entice people to become regular cinema-goers.
@@PhantomFilmAustralia I don't really understand how ticket prices are set. Is this done by the theater or by the studios?
@@Hedgehobbit Studios usually have to split their share of the ticket with their distributor. It works on a sliding scale. The opening week, the studio and distributor combined may take up to 80% of the ticket price, leaving 20% to the cinema. Week two may see 70% going to studio and distributor with 30% to the cinema. This goes on until the film is no longer in demand or has been pushed out of rotation to make way for the next lot of films.
Cinema costs aren't cheap, having to pay to power, to rent, to air-condition, to roll film, and to pay staff. Cinemas only really see worthwhile money on average after the sixth or seventh week, when they see over 50% of the ticket sales - though cinemas are constantly losing out due to having to constantly drop these movies out of rotation to make way for the latest releases. The sliding scale cycle begins again, and the cinemas gets screwed. For studios and distributers to yield the greatest returns in such a short rotation, the ticket sales get jacked up.
The only net money that cinemas see is from the candy bar. It's the one thing that keeps the lights on and the film rolling. It's also the reason why 20 cents worth of corn costs $9, because keeping a cinema open and functioning isn't cheap.
I hope this helps.
Ticket prices have literally never been cheaper. With AMC A-List or Regal Unlimited, you can see as many movies as you want to only 20 bucks a month. It's stupid cheap.
This is a fresh take on this subject. Love the Ai take, and I really feel it's going to bite the movie industry in the ass.
It's an absolute disgrace the way hollywood will turn out in the distant future due to AI and when you walk down hollywood
Blvd as i did many times and see every name on the walk of fame was a real person who created hollywood and to imagine
This will come to an end is unthinkable.
Trainspotting on laserdisc? Nice! All the best movvies came out on that format period.
Films were on their way out in the late 70s with the birth of the blockbuster- since the release of Star Wars, it’s all about how much money can be taken in, NOT about making a good movie. You know you’re in trouble when the first things these producers ask is, “can we make a sequel outta this” (i worked in the business too and heard this actually being asked). People have gotten hurt and even killed because of the quest for more money on these movies in one way or another and it has simply gotten worse as the years went on.
Now it’s expected that a film make its money back within weeks of its being in the theaters despite the overall laziness of the projects as a whole (sequels, remakes of films that didn’t require it, etc.).
The worst part is the arrogance of everyone who would make these films- they’re actually PROUD OF these films and believe they’re making high-art.
Good think piece video. You guys should consider doing more videos like this.
Yeah totally agree with what you said here. The industry needs to tell better stories and less flash bang kind of stuff. That would be cool if the indie scene made a comeback. History does repeat it self. I have a funny feeling people have good stories and scripts but Hollywood doesnt want to make them. I agree the cat is out of the bag and there is no going back. I like how you ended the video with saying go out and make a movie. Didnt Tarantino say make the movie you want to see?
"Everything woke turns to sh*t"
This is a crazy take. In what world would any company willingly take a hit and damage their reputation on the promise of a technology that may or may not come to pass 10-20 or even 30 years down the line.
Younger people go to the movie theaters to watch their phones... keep phones away of the movie theater experience.
Me and the wife both 50 now , we looked at our local cinema for something to watch, nothing on apart from Beeteljuice .... so that cost us £30 and was a total waste of a night out
I just love you guys, always lookin fwd to your next thing
We love you! Thanks for always hanging out with us!
Russ has nailed it. I’m buying 4Ks of older movies way more than the newer stuff. Plus, I’m 20 years older than you guys. Now get off my lawn!
The cost of a ticket really only spiraled out of control when the studios began churning out the $200 million+ movie. With advertising, the cost doubles to $400 million+ along with press junkets. Then there's the additional costs of re-shoots and longer post-production. Studios have cinema chains jack up ticket prices to recoup their money. That $500 million would be far more lucrative to make ten $50 million movies with original screenplays and great unknown actors. All the studios would need is one out of the ten to be a hit to make their money back on all ten. Then there's the chance that more than one will be a smash hit, with some to even spawn sequels and develop new franchises. Drop the ticket price to seven or eight bucks so some money can be spent at the candy bar, and it will entice people to become regular cinema-goers...*so long as identity politics is kept out of the equation.
Hollywood is all about reboots remakes sequels prequels and stuff like that and they have been bring back stuff from the 90's for the past 20 years or so and thats one of the biggest problems they can not come up with new good content
There's so much to say about this topic. I love going to the movies but it's getting harder and harder to do so when you are at the point of only going one night a week on your closest theater's discount night. Prices are too expensive. I also go mostly for older movies being screened in theaters and the death of the mid budget movie is a huge part of the problem. Not all movies have to be all things to all people.
Well said guys. Great video.
Thank you so much!
This is an excellent and very thought provoking video. I’m a little older than you guys but damn I understand and I can completely relate to everything you’re saying. I’m a guy who for years would consistently visit the theater at least 2x a month. Now it’s almost never. In fact the last movie I saw in the theater was Halloween Ends two years ago. I’ve grown to loathe the movie theater experience and I know I’m certainly not alone in thinking this way.
You're not alone here... and while all of it is admittedly depressing, we can't change it until we truthfully acknowledge what is (and has been) going on.
People are jerks in the theater now.
Every single time, there’s someone on a phone, or someone talking, or someone shoving food in their face loudly.
I hate it.
@josephmayfield945 Phones are the sole reason I don't go... when a light flashes, I'm removed from the immersion. Even if it happens once, I'm on edge for the next 15 minutes expecting it again... too expensive to have what I went for ruined.
Also, might I add, shows on television have gotten very good. Shows like Breaking Bad and early days of Walking Dead are keeping people at home as well. There is more desire by the studios to make their streaming services succeed .
Production of TV series in decline too.And also when was the last time we had something that drew everyone's attention like Breaking bad..?
There’s no coincidence that the rise in the collectors market is happening, the same as collectors vinyl. People will pay for nice editions of movies, however mainstream Hollywood is about as generic and idea vacant because it’s all about appealing to the widest mass of people to make the most money.
Patrick Willems did an amazing essay about this. TL:dr, it’s not as doom and gloom as it seems. HW isn’t going to die but it might need to change and change is rarely comfortable.
PREACH BROTHER RUSS, PREACH!!!!!
Whilst I partially agree with the sentiment in this discussion, I can't help but think that's framing things poorly? Give content creators a budget? Do they even need one? What if their content is successful as is, now? Are we suggesting that we need a 2 hour long challenge or prank movie? A drama with caption bubbles and emoji stickers over it? Or that we need a 15 second movies? A video-essay with Robert Downey jr. as narrator? Does anyone remember the Angry Video Game Nerd Movie?
I think it's fairly apples and oranges, both mediums are at their best when they're not trying to be one another. Much like videogames and movies. We may reach a new hybrid but I still think there will be a strong, clear differentiation.
There's also a statement in there about we shouldn't try to go back to replicate a golden era of movies. Well, we have gone back, even further, as tiktoks could be somewhat comparable to early nickelodeons and Vaudeville peep-show shorts. Though will a new veil of grass-root created 'authenticity' (be that true authenticity or not) so it's possible the pendulum will swing back.
I think cinema already adapted with the likes of Walking Dead, Breaking bad, True Detective s1 etc. These examples were all shot on celluloid film and are still binged watched by younger people. The overall run time is far beyond that of a movie and in some cases are taken more seriously than movies. That was the change! There's often far better written stuff in that domain than cinema too. The next change needs to be putting film and perhaps even TV back into the hands of normal people, presenting the same authenticity that short-form consumers are addicted to, perhaps even more naturalistic lighting and dialogue. There will be less movie stars, less money and pay in the industry, and less people getting into it for all the wrong reasons. Authentic creators, authentic consumers. And there are more tools than ever for the common joe to reach a once gatekept standard.
We need people getting into and creating a film industry to make profitable art, not millions or 3 times their budget back. Larger profit margins.
One thing we won't be able to go back on though is spectacle. Your Jerry Maguire better have explosions.
All valid points... I'd only say when I use the term "RUclipsr", I'm really saying young creatives in general who have an interest. I didn't mean kitchen sink it, but I could have made that more clear.
And I wouldn't consider Angry Video Game Nerd the youth... His movie also wasn't backed in the way I'm suggesting, plus it was I'm guessing 10 years ago now? Tech is going fast.
Ok, I only listened to half of this because you're excluding like 1/4 of film fanatics.
Who's that? The conspiracy/occult/alt-right alt media folks.
I agree with what was said in what I saw and you did a better job than other similar videos as far as having a difference of viewpoints debating the issue as well as being frank about needing to focus on going to the youth to entice them to see their RUclips heroes on the big screen with its broadcast media promo cultural power.
Going back to the Easy Rider movie as a reference - just because its a good movie, story and it helped blow up the hippie lifestyle we now see the downside of that - encouraging youth to use drugs as a secular religion.
Whatever hope may have been in hippieism, it died with Charles Manson and the 80's was a return to worshipping material wealth.
This excerpt is an example of how politics has always been apart of art and Hollywood, especially in its heyday.
The alt-right folks have their own problems they can't blame Hollywood and the Devil on.
We're wired by societyand biology to worship idols, whether spiritual or physical, as models of what a winner is as well as behavior we may be interested in voyeuristically but isn't realistic or positive.
From my experience, many have spent years trying to avoid mainstream media like we would junk food.
However, there hasn't been much success with alternative culture systems like crowdfunding and sourcing yet with movies and music, like podcasting, which has created a new form of media.
I think we should reverse engineer how media has been used to program our culture using fun entertainment which exposes us to new ideas which are serious.
I submit Robo-Cop as a high point in sci-fi in this regard.
We need to create a culture to rival what Hollywood was but for independent production not just of a media product but of a cultural program we co-create.
Star Wars and Disney was the old way where a megacorp had the power to take risks - that's over because capitalism is over because it was only used to incentivize us to connect the world in a new world disorder.
Now, everything is switching to a blend of opposites globally (half commie, half capitalistic - an overtly managed reality, a virtual reality).
The only alternative left is part small biz, part art, religion and science where we work with people either who share our passion like wanting to make our own Star Wars style movies used to actually promote actual progress in space exploration via private cooperatives.
Or, to find radicals from different sides who will negotiate on a project because if we continue to be this divided none of us will be able to be successful.
So, that is a labor of love like becoming a teacher or priest.
Instead of the elites using celebrity to entice us to aspire to be more wealthy materially and live in unsustainable excess - we can create a new social class of imagineers like Disney had but run voluntarily vs. by a fascist corporation.
Because Elon wants your children or your neighbors' kids to have neuralink installed so they can achieve goals like making a movie but this will end criticsl thinking and having to struggle with emotions, which is needed to produce good art, business and science.
We're wasting time arguing and being socially separated and creating and consuming sub par alt content seen by 10 people designed to die like how condoms stop babies from being born.
Do people actually buy the books promoted by podcasts? Do listeners take the time to even leave a detailed review when they share said link on social media?
I'm just speaking to fellow movie lovers asking us to blame ourselves in equal share with how the transition to the digital inter et has created more problems than it solves, which is typical of tech evolution.
The powers that be made the internet and social media and we're.still free enough to develop the next big thing which is decentralized government wherw we work on projects knowing that the ride to the destination is just as important.
We have to co-create a future for humanity vs. A.I. letalone deal with the death of Hollywood.
We have to choose to put ourselves in discomfort to co-create similar to how people used to go to Hollywood to be somebody.
We have to accept that fiction and reality are inter-related.
Church died and pop-cult consumerism is dying and many people are dying in a planned WW3 and we won't stop that.
Instead of enticing rich boomer youth to sell drugs and become degenerates and being so lost in fantasy via media people buy into such a scam; our opportunity is to work within a small area created for us to prove we're worth keeping around based on the quality of art product we can create as part of a new class of problem solvers vs the idiots who want to pick a side in a fake war.
Cool Elvira shirt, Russ. 😎
Once woke is a gone and a memory as well as DEI being done. Hollywood can return back to its golden era of the 80's 90's
The film as art analogy is pretty accurate. Physical collections are essentially museums. Places of heritage to look after the "good stuff". As modern art does not look as good as the older stuff, the "classics", so film today is competing against better material made in the past.
This analysis definitely put the finger on the pulse. Modern cinema is competing against on-demand video that is omnipresent. There is so much content that people can gravitate to what they like without the need to "discover" new stuff. This is compelled by the low cost of entry. A YT Premium cost for one month is equivalent to a cinema ticket for one film.
Add in home theater experiences. Add in woke agenda politics that take away credibility or good story telling. Add in lack of talent or risk taking. Add in the need to monetize every big budget film to a billion dollar box office often by appealing to the lowest common dominator. Add in subscription services which bombard us with choice, sometimes with pretty good shows that suck hundreds of hours. Add in the cost of a cinema ticket. Add in the breakdown in social norms when people have forgotten how to behave in public spaces. Add in general apathy in getting your arse to the cinema (that accelerated with COVID) with little awareness on whether you are getting value for money. Going to see a film for 2 hours plus only to come out and say "well that sucked" just reinforces the opinion its better to "wait until it comes to streaming" as the value proposition changes somewhat. Add in the fact people want "experiences" with (mass) tourism or paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars for concerts or going to fancy restaurants and the theatre when "you" become the hero instead of watching someone else on screen.
Is it any wonder why cinema is dying. Technology has now enabled everyone to become a storyteller. This is the same existential threat cinema faced in the 50s with the advent of television only turned up to 100.
Cinema reinvented itself in the 60s and what I consider to be the best decade in cinema, the 70s. The films then carried a message, they spoke about politics and social issues. They addressed issues that spoke to the common man. Today it's all spandex and CGI in a time when so much can be addressed.
Look at Oppenheimer. A film about nuclear anxiety and made a billion dollars. Look at Barbie. A film about social awareness and it made a billion dollars. Look at Inside Out 2. A film about the pain of growing up. It made a billion dollars. Look at the Joker. A film about rage. It made a billion dollars.
Look at Joker 2. A film about nothing...with songs.
Hollywood is making nothing of interest. Kids are getting bored of consuming franchises that were once popular during the time when their parents were young (in all honesty, don't you get bored when you hear your parents tell you they had more fun) and adults are pandered to or just reminded we are all getting old as our film stars pass into their retirement age.
As other comments have said on this video, cinema is losing its way because IT itself does not know what it takes to make money and also be entertaining and hip. For example I recently watched Dungeons and Dragons Honour Among Thieves and thought it was excellent and very funny, a film I had zero expectations going in. That film got lost in the shuffle and did low box-office. Is it any wonder why the industry is scratching its head if we, as consumers, are sending so many mixed messages.
To your point about competing with the past, I remember being blown away in recent years how Kate Bush, I believe Metallica, and a few others hit Top 10 due to Stranger Things... I know this would happen occasionally in the past, "Bohemian Rhapsody" in Wayne's World did the same thing, but it's increasing I feel. Most things nowadays aren't meant to last, they're just for right now.
I also read your 3rd paragraph in Renton's voice from Trainspotting.
@@russceasetheruss5360 great, whatever works for you.
Great news!
On top of not enough good movies coming out lately to bring me to the theaters, they just charge too damn much. I don't even get concessions or anything when I go. Even a standard movie ticket is minimum like $15 where I am. And IMAX? No thanks. Not at $30+ just for one ticket. I can buy a movie on 4k or Blu ray and watch it a million times for that price. I miss the early morning matinees on the weekend where I could go see a movie for like $5. I literally used to go see something almost every week in those times. Now, I might go see 1-2 movies in an entire year.
AI is inevitable and will destroy the old ways, but it will also usher in a new way. If you're expecting to sit back and wait for someone in Hollywood to 'discover' you or include you in their dying game, you will lose. But, if you become a creator and start making your own work, you will be fine.
Big problem about going to the youth... in the '60s, kids under thirty were the largest demographic cohort. Today the biggest cohort is in their 40s. You can't fight the numbers.
While true, it's their kids those 40-somethings' money goes to... Hence, advertising focuses on youth. It serves a double purpose in instilling fear to the same 40-somethings (your youth is fading, buy this).
Right now we're getting a lot of quality movies. The quality is there. We have great filmmakers, great scripts, great stories. We just need butts in seats and what killed that was Covid. 2019 was the biggest year for the movies ever...more billion dollar hits than ever before. I've heard people make the TOTALLY FALSE claim that theaters were dying prior to Covid, but that is provably untrue. Covid hurt theaters but we're currently in a slow recovery. Honestly, theaters would have totally bounced back by now if the studios weren't making so many missteps like rushing streaming or PVOD. The 90 day theatrical exclusivity window needs to come back
The only reason I am not worried about this is because I know for a fact I haven’t seen every movie from my favorite genres pre 2010s I probably have a lifetime to catch up on movies. Even if I did then I’ll give in and examine romcoms 😂
I say this all the time... My quote is "even if I focused solely on the 70s and did a movie a day, I'd still never get through them all before I die".
The reward ratio going back and catching ones you missed is so much higher than taking a chance on anything being forced on you today.
Movie studios don't make real movies anymore. They just make products aimed at target demographics. The most depressing thing I hear said these days is, "That movie wasn't made for me". Movies should exist for everyone to enjoy. Yes, a particular kind of film will appeal more to a particular kind of demographic but that shouldn't exclude others from enjoying it. But after seeing Alien: Romulus, I can honestly say Hollywood has a problem with storytelling. Instead of coherent plots, today's movies are just a string of action or CGI scenes held together by a flimsy plot
Don't talk shit on Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. That movie was dope AF and killed it at the theatre. Granted, point taken.
A small part of me wishes they wouldn’t release any movies for a couple years, so I can catch up! lol
What are some good modern recommendations, Jordan?
@@russceasetheruss5360 the substance
For many years with minor exceptions watch everything online websites for free. Detective Pikachu and Godzilla Minus one are the only recent movies I went and saw in theaters. Anything else I watched online for free.
Every industry fails at some point. This time has come for Hollywood
Streaming and overmarketing... Sometimes less is more.
I 100% agree. If AI actually flawlessly will be able to make feature films, that will be the future no matter how much we dislike it. I’m ready to just embrace it actually. Why not? I can’t stop it. Give me Back to the Future 4 looking like it was shot only 1 year after part 3. Give me Star Wars movies that fit in with the original trilogy that looks like a early 80’s film. I’m even down for a new season of Seinfeld. Whatever, give me everything. Will I miss the old way? I can always go back with my 4K UHD blu ray collection of the classics.
Gross man.
I'm totally with you on AI filmmaking. All those great movies that never got a sequel due to budget or TV shows that could have had another season (like original Star Trek). All that is possible now if any studio is brave enough to try it.
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice made good money at the movie theaters so people went to see that movie so it worked
IDK Russ…
Top gun Maverick was a sequel, but damn it was incredible.
It was.
It was?
I enjoyed it, but I've stated from the jump it's a reflection of our times and will be unintentionally hilarious in years to come (it already is).
The movie literally had to leave the antagonist nameless to not offend.
@@russceasetheruss5360 I think we all figured it was Iran; however, when the fighter jets left the carrier, across the ocean onto land.. it was clearly Big Sur lol
@branscombe_ I'm still with you though, highly enjoyable movie.
is dying??? it died more than two decades ago
I wish they would go with a 6 month wait between theatrical and vod/physical. If you want to see this movie, get off your butt and go.
Great point... That lack of exclusivity has also pushed it further into the "content" bin.
If a movie isn't worth a $20 ticket price, then keeping it off streaming won't change that fact.
@@Hedgehobbit What price is right for you?
This would actually make a great movie in of itself! Albeit slightly depressing
I'm 53 and I think I'm still raging against the light, even my 20 something year old children, I have to show them old movies to show them really good stuff
Don't stop! I'm doing the same with my son and he's 11.
Hollywood is going direct to video . Every actor is doing direct to video . I looked at all these movies on Peacock alone and I've never heard of the majority of the movies they have because they were never in theaters . Hollywood studios want to kill movie theaters .
Damn.
Russ is the “King Of Dour.”
I’m surprised at the end you two didn’t put a “In Memoriam” of all the celebrities we grew up with who died.
And to make us feel really old, tell us kid celebrities who are now almost 50.
Where’s my walker? 😂
I wanted to add an SPCA commercial for abused pets with Sarah MacLachlan, but Matt talked me out of it.
Why’s Stephen Baldwin obsessed with Jerry Maguire?
I laughed so hard at that 😅 Nothing against Jerry Maguire, but why was that his go-to example for great storytelling?
Russ is dead on. Good takes
The decline began with the 2000s, like Baldwin said here the stories got worse and I think the acting too and of course the whole cinematography thing changed. That Hollywood will die isn't such a bad thing, I wish they'd stop making new movies right now today because 99,9% is total garbage anyway. It's over. Forget about it. Concentrate on preserving of all the movies from the past good and bad ones, let future generation watch those there's enough there worldwide to (re)discover and last as great entertainment for an eternity. We don't need new products anymore, the best is already made goes for music and TV too, shut it all down and let the studios become museums for people to visit.
It's weird to me that new movies always look worse than 80's films. Even low Budget films like Halloween look better than anything made today. We will never get movies like Back to the Future or E.T. or Nightmare on Elm Street. Great movies, great stories, and they looked fantastic. PG-13 sucks now too. Look at Poltergeist. A PG rated film is more graphic than even some rated R films today. I'm a horror gal and I hate that most big budget horror films now have to be PG-13 in order to make the children happy cause god forbid children see any blood. I watched way more graphic stuff as a kid and I'm fine. I knew it was fake.
The biggest issue for most (not all) new movies is lack of character development. Compare the original Alien to Romulus. Alien has a great story with great fleshed out characters that you care about. I didn't care about any of the characters in Romulus. I love that movies are becoming more inclusive in terms of race and sexual orientation but the characters themselves are all just so bland. The look different but they are all the same. It's crazy! Not to mention how bland the movie looked. Everything was brown. The original Alien was colorful and vibrant. And it's a space movie. New movies look like crap. I don't mind legacy sequels if they are good. I don't even mind remakes if they are good. Most remakes are crap. I could rant on and on but screw it. I have a good collection of Blu-rays mostly from the 70's and 80's.
I think people stopped reading books, and started playing more video games.
So they have a very weak sense of narrative and how to properly tell a story.
@josephmayfield945 The class of Scorsese, Spielberg, Lucas, etc. were all French new wave inspired gents and the first to go to "film school".
The next crop, the Spike Lees, Jarmuschs, etc. expanded on them.
The next wave, think Tarantino, were educated BY movies. Him, Kevin Smith and others were the video store generation...
I think you hit the nail on the head with pointing out video games took over the generation after them and why movies became video games.
@@josephmayfield945 That tracks. I tried watching Evil Dead 2 with my nieces and nephew and they got bored during the opening credits. How short have attention spans gotten? It's crazy
@@redwillow79schippers94 I don't understand why so easily kids nowadays saying "it's boring" to most everything and they can't sit still, they always fidgeting.
@@Haruzak1somebody did a study that proves that prolonged and constant phone use shortens attention spans. Checks out.
Regarding AI it is just history repeating itself, as AI is the modern day version of the cropping machine.
Long live the new flesh!
Just saw that movie for the first time a few months ago. It was really prophetic.
2024 is the worst year for hollywood and western animation in general thats why the asian media and japan is dominating 2024. 2025 is going to be worse for hollywood and disney.
Extremely well done video. It's too bad the news is so depressing but very accurate.
Was that the real Steven Baldwin or just AI? Probably AI, since he hasn't been in anything in a long time. lol
The three hour movie has killed movie going. There are movies I have not seen in theaters because I refuse to sit in a theatre for 3 hours.
@@harrysolas2802 so you're lazy? OK.
Early 2000s were great
Agree, for me the start of the decline begun occuring around 2010 onwards, prior to that good content still mostly outweighed bad content.
Not gonna lie the RUclipsr take is NOT IT. right now who’s going to go out and see money are Zoomers, and as a zoomer and to speak for everyone my age I know, none of us would TOUCH a RUclipsr film, we want extremely cool shit that’s unique and new and affecting, A24s turnout without fail are the kind of films most anyone my age goes out and sees. Everything else is MAYBE seen later on streaming.
I understand... but for it to survive it has to go to them. I won't like it either, but it needs to happen so the industry survives, the youth get their place, and we get our vinyl ressurection moment with movies.
In my experiences, the youth are checking out A24 films also. They're a bright spot right now, and this is coming from someone who isn't a die-hard fan of their output.
These bastards really don't care about the workers or any of their creations, but themselves.
I kinda wanna hear more of that interview from GDT. that quote hit me hard
but I always wondered guys, what's your favorite bone thugs n harmony song? East 1999 is up there for me I can't get that beat out of my head sometimes
@@444chroma 😂🤣😂
Down 71 (on E 1999) and Thug Luv with 2Pac... I love drum sounds that incorporate gunshots into them, I'm old-fashioned.
George Lucas was such a leading proponent for digital filmmaking.
His mistake was he assumed his outlook was part of the technical shortcuts he was championing. For most, it became an increasingly evolving shortcut to eradicate the passion that people like Lucas once had.
@@russceasetheruss5360 I think digital originally was seen as something that made the process easier. But now it's become too easy.
@tylerwagner1978 Completely agree... limitations force creativity. Of course, digital has benefits (namely, cost) but if we're sacrificing the creativity, who cares.
Hollywood won't make a comeback with 2d animation.
Did you guys like The Batman from Matt Reeves? I couldn’t get into it. The cinematography was great, Pattinson was ok as Bruce and Bats, but throughout the whole movie I thought why. Why another Batman movie, the same realistic take as Nolan? Why? The story went nowhere… there was zero chemistry between all the characters. Gordon was off, Alfred was off, Falcone was off (John Turturro?!?) he isn’t the problem, the writers were, the one action scene that made the room shake and was worth it was the carchase, BUT how it all started, why the f does Penguin jump in his car when he saw Bats revving his musclebatcar asking for a carchase. Why? Wouldn’t it be more interesting if he got caught while driving in his Maserati? And the end tried to be a goosebump climax while again WHY? There was nothing during that long bore that took me by the neck. How can you build a climax when you got no real gripping story?!? Again Paul Dano, great actor, but wtf was his representation as the Riddler? Him trying to overact to achieve a Heath Ledger/Joker moment, which wasn’t needed, he just needed to do his own Riddler, but no. What a 3hr long trainwreck The Batman was. My eyes never hurt so much watching a 3hr long movie because of the non stop eye rolling. Batman and Batman Returns from Burton were THE Batflicks. They were a cinema experience/ treat. Gotham City was an awesome art deco city, great soundtrack, great cast from Keaton to Kim Basinger to Michelle Pfeiffer to Christopher Walken to DeVito to Michael Gough to Jack Nicholson, the batmobile, everything clicked. Nothing clicked in Matt Reeves’s movie. And Nolan did the “realistic” take of Batman way better. What do you guys think about the movie? Am I the only one who thought it was bad?
Btw diff topic but Summer School does need a 4K someday, hopefully!
I've seen The Batman (I don''t think Matt has), and I completely agree with everything you said.... I suppose I wasn't as offended only because it was exactly what I was expecting. I believe we did a trailer reaction in the early days of this channel and I remember a person going off in the comments defending the film based on the trailer. I'm sure if I re-read that, I was right on all of it 😂... In all fairness, the director is a journeyman at best and that's how I knew at full potential it could only be mid.
I agree again on Burton's flicks... but I won't pretend to know comics, and I know his movies divide people on their lack of source material dedication. As movies though, they are easily the most superior Batman films in terms of entertainment and design by a long shot. Nolan's may be superior films, but Burton's are getting more replay. Schumacher doesn't exist.
Lastly, hell yeah to a Shout Select 4K of Summer School... I'd upgrade immediately. Truly an underrated 80s movie, so underrated.
@@russceasetheruss5360Amen to that brother. I’m going to check the trailer reaction. Am a great fan of the channel, nothing but respect for the work you guys do! Greets from Belgium, Laurent
Movie theaters are all done , Expensive Ticket Prices , Concession stand stuff prices , Terrible Type Crap movies mostly coming out only mostly around only , Annoying crowds , and NOW Assigned Seating , what a horrible idea. Great for the theaters maybe maximizing every seat but for us audience I find it horrible dumb and stupid to have at all. We cant even ever Expect Star Wars or The MCU to be spectacular ever again to vibes are around too. Just My Opinions.
@davebooshty299 Assigned seating is lame, this shouldn't be elementary school... Not to mention, it's always an excuse to whip out the phone and shine a light to check they're in the right aisle, the right seat number... sitting down is complicated.
I am making it my mission to preserve film, by any means necessary. I'm gonna be a force of justice; a costumed vigilante that abducts people, takes them to an underground living room theater, straps them down and forces them to watch classic selections from my exemplary collection. By the time I'm finished they will be refined, have better taste, and demand better than the garbage we often get these days. Problem solved.
Don't forget the baby oil. #filmoffs
I keep telling people: movies can be and have been better than this!!
ALSO ALONG WITH "LOS ANGELES . HIGH CRIME, HIGH ILLEGALS, HIGH COST OF LIVING, HIGH ON GETTING HIGH, AND FINALLY HIGH ON " DENIAL ".
Good. I want hollywood gone forever.
The last great movie they made was Joker and it was only great by accident.
How was it an accident? Seemed clear to me Phillips wanted to make a Scorsese-like gritty film and wanted to make a statement by saying it can only get made today if you attach it to a comic book.
Then pissed off even his fans with the sequel 😂
Good riddance. They're insufferable.
the thing is that nothing special is coming up anymore, just copy of the copy like Spiderman e.c. plus the scandals that coming ip to light from what happend to kids and Co. there. Its not the same image anymore. Netflix is also a reason
Everything changes
I don’t know why Hollywood has to be the be all & end all when the Indies and Foreign Film can step up. Yes sure try to get the youth involved but there are so many aspiring, talented & hungry filmmakers of various ages out there from 18 to 65 who have been overlooked for years in favour of those current crop of awful filmmakers making all these terrible films today handing the victory to Megacorporate backed crappy AI
I agree, but Americans don't want to read... I wish it weren't true, but even the smart ones have some knee-jerk, zero tolerance reaction to subtitles... Not all of us... but sadly, most.
about your 80s crushes video i believe the main thing that made pheobe cates so popular yes she was attractive but there were more attractive actresses then her but she was hot in a girl next next door kind of way if fast times were made today in an era of social media would she even register
@@enriquecabada8841 Spot on... it was relatable. The narrative made the appeal more than just her looks... and who knew... people respond massively to human commonalities rather than pointing out flaws in others at all times.
For me, yes. It wasn't just the actress, it was the dream fantasy vibe and music used.
No,It Died November 1960 With Clark Gables Death
It was not the last writer strike but the one before that. All the talented writers retired and went home. After that the DEI corruption was infused into the current system. They thought that viewers would take in the crap they produced. They thought wrong. Now they all just try to remake anything that worked before but destroy it by adding the crap no one wants to watch. It sucks but at least we have many years of actually good stuff to watch again and again.
Preach, Russ. Y'all have a decade on me, but I see the writing on the wall as well. Young people are where the money is and Hollywood has to evolve. Instead they keep serving us memberberris.
I appreciate you, i_ons... are you a fan of Harmony Korine? He's doing some interesting things in terms of pushing the boundaries of "cinema" right now, and it may end up being terrible, but I'm excited to see it evolve. Shit has been too stagnant for too long, and I feel once the evolution is complete into the new artform, THEN we will see the resurgence of what we love (think the return of vinyl).
@@russceasetheruss5360 I’m ashamed to say that Spring Breakers is the only Harmony Korine flick I’ve see, though I did like it. I’m really only trying buy 4Ks right now and his classic films seem to be streaming pariahs, in the US at least, so they’ve avoided me. Though I’ll be watching Gummo when it shows up later this month from Criterion. I also can’t wait for the “machine” to figure out where video storytelling is headed technologically, so the art can be kick started again. We need them kids to fund the good shit.
Can I ask you, as someone younger, do you get excited about Beetlejuice? I was 6 when that came out and adored it as a child, but I can't imagine anyone outside of my demographic truly biting into those memberberries.
@@russceasetheruss5360 I’m probably the wrong person to ask about Beetlejuice. I’ve never jived with that movie. For years I (born ‘91) detested it. My better half (born ‘89) loves it and the prospect of a sequel hit her right in the nostalgia. She was introduced to it by an older brother and has fond memories of watching it while young while I caught it on TBS or TNT after school movie channels.
Before seeing Beetlejuice 2 I watched the original for the fourth time, by myself and with an adult frame of reference, to give it its fair shake. Ultimately I just don’t think the aesthetic is that interesting and the pacing feels lopsided. Lots of setup and world building then Beetlejuice shows up and the movie ends. The second one was manufactured slop, as expected, but having no real attachment or reverence for the original made me more forgiving of it. It was just a modern “turn your brain off” movie. There was a dance number to MacArthur Park at the end that surprised me a bit. It was a firm 4/10 and we both felt that way. Will not be picking it up on 4k.
@i_ons Even if we were in some artistic renaissance, I'd have no interest in Beetlejuice 2. We all knew it'd be exactly what it is, but Tim Burton was hit hard by the Hollywood landscape shifting.
He's outwardly stated he can't tell a good script from a bad one, and in this century, all mainstream scripts are just checklists to get to the next CGI set piece... Imagine him doing a script where the sole intention is to check boxes on nostalgia beats (Beetlejuice 2).
We will never get another Ed Wood from him.
The reason it is dying is mainly because they refuse to make movies people will watch. There are other structural problems too, but those are not the main reason. They refuse to make movies that people will watch, because the good movies that people will watch do not fit their political agenda. These people are used to getting their way, to not suffer, and to always have all the resources in the world to promote "the message". Now the problems they have caused are not just trickling downards, it's trickling upwards, and the people in the C suites will loose their jobs too. I don't feel sorry for them. From the ashes of woke Hollywood a new dawn will rise.