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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- In this Dragon Ball Z Timelines Explained video we examine the Cell Saga and the DBZ time loops therein. We breakdown the confusion of Dragon Ball Z time travel when Trunks travels in time creating this anime time loop curing Gokus heart virus. I'll also explain where Cell came from, the unseen timeline, how did Trunks kill the androids in the future, and where each timeline is split. Are there 2 future Trunks? Which timeline is future Trunks from? What are the rules of time travel in Dragon Ball Z? What happens when Cell and Trunks travel in time? How does Trunks kill Cell if Cell killed Trunks? Is there a cell games in the unseen timeline?Answers to these questions and more are within.
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En este video de Dragon Ball Z Timelines Explained pasamos por los eventos de la Cell Saga en DBZ para examinar la paradoja del tiempo creada. Analizamos la confusión de lo que sucedió en Dragon Ball Z con Trunks viajando en el tiempo. ¿De dónde vino Cell? ¿De dónde vino el segundo Tronco del futuro? ¿De qué línea de tiempo es Trunks en el futuro? ¿Cómo funciona el viaje en el tiempo en el Universo Dragon Ball? ¿A qué hora se crean las paradojas cuando Cell y Trunks viajan en el tiempo? ¿Cómo mata Trunks a Cell si Cell mató a Trunks? Las respuestas a estas preguntas y más están dentro de. Entra si te atreves.
I was so confused on how the timelines worked as a kid. Finally it makes sense now
No it doesn’t. You are better off not think about it yo begin with.
Damn, this stuff more complicated than math thats tuff
Yep and more interesting ☺️
Not the most complex timeline but you did a fantastic job explaining everything. It’s epic how future trunks makes his return in DBS too
they kind of ruined his character development in super
main problem with time travel in general is you can't travel back to your original timeline once you've altered the past (you can only travel to the altered past's future, unless you go back in time again to prevent yourself from altering the past in the first place).
In dragon ball z's case, it's not like this because the event of trunks going back in time ultimately created a new timeline, which doesn't affect his own.
so different from back to the future eh?
@@matteulberg3690 it is different. Trunks travels back between original timeline in future and altered timeline in past
There are different concepts, your description is the single timestream theory while dbz follows the parallel multistream theory
Interesting........
Very well put together, love the visual timelines, well done!!
So ironic how Cell kills Trunks twice, but Trunks also kills Cell twice!!
Haha totally
did not krillin kill cell?
@@Dragondescendant in the "present" timeline, Krillin and Trunks both destroyed Gero's lab, so they both killed larvae Cell
it was krillin who made the blow so i would credit krillin. so trunks kill cell only 1 time.
That’s the paradox
The official timeline is actually just wrong, and a little poorly thought out. This is what _actually_ happened:
*Timeline 1* = _Original Timeline:_ Goku kills Frieza when he arrives back on Earth. Goku later dies of the heart disease. The Z Fighters are killed by Dr. Gero's Androids. Bulma builds the time machine and Trunks goes back in time to save Goku. Trunks returns from the past and then waits a year before going back. When he returns from his second trip to the past, he returns with the Blueprints for the Androids and creates the destruction device. Trunks uses this device to destroy the Androids. Three years later Cell shows up, kills Trunks, and then travels back to the past to find the Androids. Only Bulma survives and presumably the Earth is rebuilt by the surviving humans. Buu probably never shows up due to the Z Fighters not being present.
*Timeline 2* = _Unseen Timeline:_ Trunks arrives from the future and kills Frieza before Goku arrives. Goku survives the heart disease due to the vaccine given to him by Trunks. Trunks warns the Z Fighters about the Androids and then leaves back to his timeline. After a year, Trunks comes back to the past. He finds the blueprints for the Androids and takes them back to the future. Trunks never returns, having been killed in the future by Cell, and the Z Fighters have to fight the Androids without him. They are victorious against the Androids, and Cell doesn't appear in this timeline until the year 788 (21 years after Trunks left with the Blueprints). Cell, having matured from his fetal form into Imperfect Cell, emerges to find the Androids have already been destroyed. It is unknown if the Z Fighters survived their fight with this Cell (though it is very likely), or if Buu ever shows up in this version of the timeline.
*Timeline 3* = _Main Timeline:_ Cell, after killing Trunks in the Original Timeline, travels back in time to the year 763 and creates a new version of the past. Having had to revert into an egg form in order to fit into the time machine, cell has to wait 4 years in order to mature back into his Imperfect form. When Trunks travels back in time from the Timeline 1 to save Goku from his heart disease, this time he arrives in this new version of the past that has been altered by Cell's arrival in 763. Trunks kills Frieza before Goku arrives. Trunks warns the Z fighters about the Androids and then travels back to his own timeline. A year later, he returns to the past and finds the blueprints for the Androids. They discover the Old Time Machine from the picture, and they deduce that something has gone wrong. Trunks this time doesn't go back to his own timeline to destroy the Androids with the Blueprints, but instead stays and helps the Z Fighters defeat the Androids in this timeline. The events of the Android and Cell Sagas takes place in this timeline. Trunks returns to his own future. The Buu Saga takes place some years later, as well as the events of Dragon Ball Super.
*Timeline 4* = _New Future Timeline:_ Trunks returns to the future from Timeline 3 and proceeds to destroy the Androids with ease, due to the strength he had gained from his time with the Z Fighters in Timeline 3. 3 years later Imperfect Cell emerges, and Trunks defeats him easily as well. Trunks defeats Dabura and Babidi and prevents the resurrection of Buu. The events of the Goku Black Arc then takes place, leading to more timelines being created (I won't go into those for now).
no, just no. Don’t make timelines up man. Trunks kills Imperfect Cell in the future timeline just after trunks destoys the androids, stopping cell from taking the time machine. It is in the anime.
WackySwacky and he said to take it easy with the comments
In which timeline does Krillin kill cell?
@@misao3004 Timeline 3- the Main one
@@fluttershy1473 he's correct tho
Timelines were so confusing this really helped thank you
Glad to help!
Should I make a vid on Super's timelines? I would use the manga version of events.
yes
Yaaasss king 👑 🤘
Yesss
This basically confirms that the cell reborn arc will come from the unseen timeline where trunks didnt have any surprises and went back to his original time while cell was never destroyed or even discovered
What the heck is the "Cell Reborn Arc" ??!! Is this a new arc for Super? I'm actually not up to date with it but it sounds cool if it is
I think the original cell was born then he went back to the main timeline and was killed by Gohan
@@mangkyrpang4647 very late, but he is talking about the Unseen timeline which is timeline number 4 as shown in the video.
This was so easy to understand, thank you 🙏🏼
Thank you!
Really really really really well explained👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks a lot!
The timelines in DBZ make zero sense honestly. They sound more like dimension hopping and timeline hopping.
If we talk about the 4th dimension we're able to (in theory) see our future and see our past and go directly forward and backward in that straight line.
5th dimensional travel speaks of seeing different branches within the linear timeline and being able to explore them.
So in this case I don't think he's traveling to different timelines, he's traveling to different dimensions.
Original Dimension: Goku lands on Earth, fights off Frieza/Cold, dies of a cold, Trunks survives the shit hole and goes "back into the past", but really is just going to...
Dimension 2: Goku lands on Earth "after" Trunks kills Frieza/Cold as he feels he has no choice, saves Goku, then goes back into his original dimension. He returns once to help with the battle of the androids, they all somehow defeat them, then Trunks goes home to kill his own androids and bam - after doing so - he dies.
Dimension 3: Cell goes to a third dimension where Goku is out of commission for the android fight and Trunks steps in. Things plan out as we see in the anime and Trunks after the defeat of Cell returns to his own dimension, which is the original dimension.
This all makes the assumption that Trunks always goes back and always dies at some point, triggering Cell to always go back in order for them to discover Cell to save a different Trunks.
"IF" the rules of time travel do not follow logical time travel rules in DBZ (what affects the past affects the future etc) then it's dimension hopping, not time travel.
Then Super comes along with zero logic and fucks it all up further.
Least in my opinion.
I've got a couple things I'd like to discuss with you.
Cell says "we could have added Trunks's cells to the line, but we had enough Saiyan samples." This implies that the time Cell comes from had Trunks visit when Frieza arrived.
Also, in your explanation, why would the new timeline 4 created by Trunks deciding to stay because of Cell in 767 now all of a sudden not have Cell arrive from the future 4 years prior? Wouldn't all events that occur before the creation of a new timeline still happen?
Lastly, if timeline 4 Trunks (that didn't decide to stay) was the one that cell eventually killed in timeline 3 when he went back, wouldn't there have been 2 Trunkses in timeline 3? That one as well as the one that did end up staying. At least up until Cell tries to hijack the time machine.
Let me know what your thoughts are. Can you tell I loved your video and watched it a lot? Great video!
Looks like you never got an answer to your first question. I don’t understand either how Timeline 4 got created by Trunks leaving then getting killed in his future.
None of this shit makes sense thats why lol
Simple. Bad writing. They didn’t think that deeply about it therefore made the error. But we all know it’s literally IMPOSSIBLE for cell to be from the original timeline that had trunks destroy the androids. It was goku.
For your first question, i think it's just the wrong Flashback on the wrong time. When Cell said about Trunks, he didn't mean the Trunks who kills Frieza (after all, Daisenshu 7 says that Goku kills Frieza on Cell's Timeline), but actually he was saying about the Trunks who fought the Androids along side Gohan. We know that the computer was programmed to continue Cell's creation even after Dr. Gero's death, so that would make sense. The problem is the animators put the scene where Trunks kills Frieza (probably because they not want to animated a Goku VS Frieza battle just for a Flashback) and that caused a confusion, but it's just a theory (the same occur in DBS when Goku Black explain why he hates the mortals and TOEI just put the Zamasu VS Goku Flashback, even that Black never fought Goku before become Goku Black).
For the second question, it's because Cell arrives 3 years after. Every time a new Timeline is created, a Link is stablished and all Timelines passes at the same Time (this was said by Bulma on the DBS Manga). For example, Trunks was on 785 (Timeline 3) and Travel to 767 (Timeline 4). Cell kills Trunks on 788 (Timeline 3), so, no matter whatever happens, the other Timelines won't be affected by Cell until Timeline 3 reach the year 788 in order to Cell kills Trunks and steals his Time Machine. I know, it's hard to understand, but if you think deeply it makes sense (at least for me).
And for the third question, it was the hardest to me to figure out but, maybe it's because when Timeline 1 was created (Trunks saw Cell's Time Machine) the Timeline 2 was created at the same time? And then Trunks goes back to Timeline 2 and not to Timeline 3? That would be the only explanation to why there isn't 2 Trunkses when Trunks kills Cell.
(Sorry my bad English)
Cell saying "we could have added Trunks's cells to the line, but we had enough Saiyan samples" its an mistake. Its ignored in Daizenshuu 7 timetravel chart
It’s funny because cell killed trunks in the future but by him going in the past and changing the timeline he inadvertently saved trunks from dying
Exactly
I'm confused again.
@@m.a.henderson1827Cell basically doomed himself by going into the past. He alerted Trunks to his plan, and forced Trunks to become more powerful than he would’ve needed from being Perfect Cell.
You explained it well. My only 2 questions now are:
1) in episode 143 (age 767) imperfect cell tells piccolo that his fetal self would be awaken in 24 years. So shouldn’t this mean that cell would kill trunks in the future in age 791 instead of age 788?
2) in that same episode, piccolo says he understands and says that cell killed trunks in the future and went back to the original coordinates that trunks had put. So why were the coordinates put for 1 year before freeza and Goku arrived?...since that’s when cellfirst traveled back in time
For 2. Question ... He was wrong actually its takes 3 year to refill time machine fuel not one I guess..
The Timelines that Trunks Created Traveling through Time Should of Splintered off into More Parallel Realities so Trunks Created a Multiverse of Madness.
What about the time line where trunks died and didn't go back too wouldn't that be timeline 5 where only bulma is alive or 4
There will eventually be an imperfect cell born in timeline 4, right? A couple of years after the incidents. A cell which goku and gohan will have no trouble in killing.
Oh yeah, that's true. That particular Cell (TL4) funnily enough is screwed over by (TL3) Trunks whom is killed by (TL3) Cell. Which is like multiversal karma.
Not if Trunks destroys Gero's lab in TL4. After discovering the blueprints to deactivate the Androids, Trunks would've probably blown up Gero's whole lab to prevent it from causing any further havoc.
Whatever cell born in timeline 4 can’t travel back in time. Presumably that’s a timeline with a cell saga without trunks involved.
I'm just gonna steam role through my interpretation of everything
* Timeline 1: Goku defeats Frieza/Cold; Goku dies of heart virus; Androids 17 & 18 terrorize the planet; Trunks travels back in time to give Goku the cure.
* Timeline 2: Trunks defeats Frieza/Cold; Goku survives the virus; Androids 19 & 20 are defeated; Trunks returns to his time (Timeline 1) with the schematics for Android 17 & 18 (this return trip creates an other timeline due to an alternate version of Trunks traveling to the exact same point in the future [this is elaborated on later, but for now this Trunks will arrive in Timeline 4]).
* Timeline 4: Trunks returns from Timeline 2; The Androids are disabled and destroyed; Cell kills Trunks and uses his time machine to travel back to Timeline 2 one year before Trunks originally traveled back and defeated Frieza/Cold (though frankly I'm not sure why the time machine didn't take him back to Timeline 1, one year before Goku defeated Frieza/Cold).
* Timeline 2 (cont'd): Cell arrives; Cell's presence (namely the time machine and his fight with Piccolo) result in a new timeline (Timeline 3) where Trunks decides to stay instead of leave with the schematics.
* Timeline 3 (the timeline we experience): The events of the Cell saga take place; Trunks becomes stronger and returns to his original timeline, Timeline 1. However, Trunks returns to Timeline 1 twice: once in Timeline 2 with the Androids' schematics (when there was no Cell), and once in Timeline 3 after the events of the Cell games. Theoretically they should have run into each other given that they both returned to the exact same point in the future (which would have created a paradox). Therefore, a new Timeline must have been created for both Trunks' - Timelines 4 & 5 - with Timeline 3 Trunks going to Timeline 5.
* Timeline 5: Trunks destroys Android 17 & 18; Trunks defeats Cell.
There are a number of problems with this that I'm aware of, but this is the best I can do without a definitive explanation on how time travel really works in the DBZ universe. There's the problem of Trunks returning to the future for the first time which theoretically should have just taken him to Timeline 2's future, but instead it took him back to his timeline (Timeline 1) which makes no sense due to the double Trunks paradox. This forced me to created Timeline's 4 & 5 which implies that each time someone time travels, an alternate timeline is automatically created if a paradox would occur. In any case there are many more problems to fish out of this, but I'm at my limit with this explanation. Thanks if you read until the end.
Ok I know this video is 4 years old by now but hopefully it reaches someone because I have a problem with this theory.....
You said that in Timeline 3, the Original timeline, it was GOKU who defeated Freeza & Cold in 764. Then Later in that SAME timeline, The ORIGINAL timeline, you said CELL kills future trunks in 788 and travels to Timeline 1.
The problem here is, CELL can NOT come from timeline 3, where GOKU killed freeza and cold. Because when CELL was explaning his Origins to Piccolo and how he has everyones DNA, he said GERO got FREEZA's DNA when he arrived on earth before TRUNKS killed freeza. He also explained that GERO decided not to get TRUNKS DNA because they had enough SAIYAN information already. So the CELL we know come from a timeline were TRUNKS killed freeza and cold. NOT from the original timeline were GOKU killed freeza and cold.
So we're is CELL from then???
In time line 3 Cell mentions that Trunks killed Frieza.. Shouldn't Cell mention that Goku killed Frieza since he is originally from time line 3?
Which episode are u talking about. Can u mention?
Yeah he should. I couldn’t think of any way to make sense of that line so I basically chalk it up to inconsistency haha.
I believe its when cell is talking to Piccolo after absorbing his arm but I cant quite remember exactly.
Tbh.. This Timeline thing makes much MUCH more sense now to me! Thanku so much 🙌 It's a causal loop! One event happens cuz of the other but the latter one is responsible for the original event!
So the orginal z timeline is peaceful but all hero’s of earth are dead including communication with king kai and the complete extinction of the sayian race but atleast it’s peaceful now
This video helped me understand everything now. You deserve more subs and more views.
Thanks a lot! I'm glad it helped! spread the word! :)
WOW great discription I'm playing around w/ RPG maker doing a chrono trigger game and I wanted to use the trunks time theory
Sounds cool!
1 mistake. Timeline 4 has a Cell. Because the paradox that creates TL4 occurs AFTER Cell goes to the past, Cell is present in 3 and 4. Trunks leaves TL4 with the blueprints and never returns to TL4 because he dies. However Cell is around, he Perfects, and this creates the Cell Games without Trunks as stated in Daizenshuu 7.
In TL1 Bulma is alone. Cell is gone to the past, and there isn't enough energy for Babidi to revive Buu but he should still come for the egg. So what happens there?
Timeline 1 is the main one, the one we follow through all dbz, so Bulma isn’t alone. The cell from timeline 1 (born in timeline 1) is killed by krillin and trunks (the one who ends in timeline 2). The other cell that is in timeline 1 is the one who comes from timeline 3 (after killing the trunks who went to timeline 4 before dying)
Its briefly recounted in the future trunks arc. Trunks trains with supreme kai to fight babidi, supreme kai dies and trunks unlocks ssj2 and kills dabura and babidi preventing buu from being revived.
It's easy to see the two different future timelines. One where Trunks turns off the Androids, Cell sneaks up on Trunks and kills him and steals the time machine. The other where powerful Trunks destroys the Androids and Cell with his bare hands
But there has to be a split in time where cell kills trunks and never goes back or one where he never discovered and didn't kill trunks which would be two additional time lines
This was amazing, My Dragon Ball fan.... Because i watch all time DB, DBZ, DBGT, Super all story episode 😁
Dawn I never seen that for real dawn Cell saga. At 4:30 i remember that Truck appear time travel after Truck saw a dead body android 19 and Goku get injury with virus heart.
I never knew Truck person timeline. That correct...
Here, i watch what happened Dragon Ball Super Truck future end of the world very sad.
How did Trunks kill Cell from Timeline 3 if that same Cell traveled back in time to History Of Trunks? Wouldnt that Cell not exist due to him traveling to the past? 🤔
When Trunks went back to the future he split the timeline into 3 and 2 by killing the androids and cell. Therefore there is a timeline where cell kills Trunks and goes back in time (Timeline 3) and one where he is killed BY Trunks (timeline 2)
History of trunks timeline IS cells timeline that’s the thing. Trunks and cell are from the exact same timeline but it’s the change of the outcome for trunks that splits the timeline from that point (788)
Actually trunks decided to stay in main time line 3 so the cell from future never arrives therefore when he goes back he was able to defeat cell
That because he explained it wrong. Trunks doesn’t kill Cell in timeline 3….
The moment Trunks returns to his timeline. A new one is created, timeline 4. Trunks in no way interacts with OG 3 timeline. The paradox was created long before that.
If future Trunks was going to the past to tell the Z fighters that he defeated/shut down the androids, why did he set his time machine coordinates to go further into the past?
Malfunction
Bad writing.
People always try to use the logic from the perspective of the characters in the show. To put it simply they don't know how time travel works. It doesn't mean it's not valid it just means they don't understand how new timelines are created. Basically there are literally infinite numbers of variations of the timeline. We just view them from a linear perspective.
Man it is so sad but Cell killed Trunks in original timeline but still amazing that Trunks get revenge in killing Cell in another timeline
Finally i understand this timeline thing ❣
I watched the video and finally understood then I read the comments and now I’m confused again 😂😂😂
Perfect explanation, thank you
How do you know that trunks stayed only one year in the future to refuel the time machine. Is it mentioned anywhere else? I haven't heard about it anywhere
i think he got it from super when it took bulma 1 year to collect the fuel needed to travel back in time to get help from goku & Vegeta to stop black but this is wrong.
it's revealed in dbz kakarot that it takes 8 or 9 months (forgot which) to recharge for a full trip.
he must've assumed bulma only collected enough fuel for 1 full trip, but she collected at minimum enough for 2 full trips.
They literally state it takes 8 months to a year to get enough fuel for a round trip so unless 784 is a brand spanking new year, then yeah it would be 785
Perfect video man great job you earned a subscriber
Looked this up after re watching dbz. As a kid this never crossed my mind. Watching it today however the two time machines confused me beyond belief
I still don't get it.
Kinda...
So the cell that was still in the Gero’s lab in the main time line is the cell from the future that killed trunks. Since trunks and cell were babies in the main timeline. So by cell arriving one year early in the past makes trunks one year too late on returning to the future where he is killed. Correct me if I am not entirely right
Nope your are confused buddy, the cell that killed future trunks stole the Time Machine arrived before frieza and cold came to earth, started the cell games and was killed by ss2 kid gohan.
That cell was from the orginal timeline the one where goku uses instantaneous movement to take out frieza and king cold dies from virus, then the androids then story of trunks
if im not mistaken bro, I believe cell said that Gero had a extra lab hidden underneath so when the explosion happen he wasn't damage. the cell that killed trunks in the alternative timeline and stole his time machine when he found out that the androids was deactivated.
Just create a extra timeline where trunks died but cell died to
this cleared it all up for me. thank you
Wow thanks man !! It's was very good..
must be a very sad future for Bulma as his son was killed by future Cell. To make things worse, she probably never knows her son was killed, it's just simply that his son never returns from his trip to the past, as Cell has taken his Time Machine. But I assume the Earth will return to peace in this timeline, as there is no Androids, no Cell, not even a single Z fighters nor Dragonballs.
Great video hero
When piccolo meets cell, how is trunks there?
Isn't he dead? Or trunks actually doesn't die in his timeline.
For some reason I thought there was a scene in the anime that explained it with lines like this when I was a kid. Guess I was trippin
the thing thats so interesting is we don’t actually know how many times Trunks time traveled. We are only shown what plays out in the series, the Manga, and History of Trunks etc
I agree with everyone else here about the plotholes and they may very well be mistakes by Toriyama. Thats why the “Unseen Timeline” is important. Question is, how many “Unseen Timelines” are actually out there
When Cell explains his origins to Piccolo, he specifically states he simply “pushed a button, the time machine was already set” to go back. Thats a clear contradiction to Piccolo’s rationale when he says “he must have tried to come back to tell us he defeated the androids” WHY WOULD TRUNKS travel a whole year before the Z fighters even knew who he was, before Frieza. It would be pointless.
Then Cell states he could taken the DNA from Trunks when he fought Frieza. HOW COULD CELL even know about the fight because the timeline he came from is the one where Goku kills frieza and he personally kills older Trunks later on to obtain the time machine
It's really are loopholes no one notice ..
Good work with video make sense for smooth brain .
Trunks from timeline 3 784 travels to timeline 4 (unseen) 764 to kill Frieza and King Cold, giving Goku the medicine and tell the Z fighters about the Androids
I personally think this is closest accurate description. 👍
BRO WTF THIS IS THE MOST CONFUSING THING TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND EVER
It’s really not lol take in consideration there’s also some very obvious plot holes but just keep watching it and it’ll make sense
Thanks for this.
they should of shown two Trunks meeting each other , imagine having two Gokus
If trunks dies in his timeline, ' the one goku dies' how is he alive for the timeline where he saves Goku? So what, Cell going back to the past, restarts the timeline?
So in one of these timelines, their is two trunks and two cells?
The more i watch this video more and more times I get a better explanation thanks mate❤️
Wait so trunks had the blue prints and defeated the androids right? He then leaves his time again but cell kills him then we see the time was set 4 years before frieza and stuff which means… TRUNKS WAS GONNA LET THEM DIE?
So did Trunks also bring the Goku from time-line 4 the Medicine? So time-line 4 is one either with a healthy Goku who can destroy the androids, and no cell OR one where Goku dies, Androids win and just casually kill tiime till cell is born? Or is that a 4a 4b scenario?
I understand now, cuz it always confused me hope cell was able to kill trunks in his timeline, that trunks didn't train and get stronger but destroyed the androids with a remote
Dragon Ball → Dragon Ball Z → Dragon Ball Super (which leads into Dragon Ball Super: Broly and Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero) → Dragon Ball GT (which is set in a separate continuity, though often considered non-canonical compared to the main timeline).
Everytime he went back to the past and back to the future (no pun intended) he created a new timeline, you cant just say sometimes he created a new timeline, when he presses that button in the time machine hes splitting time lol. When Bulma sent him to the past that was the last time she seen him couse when he goes back to the future its a different Bulma, same way its a different Bulma in the new future timeline. so that means it also happened to the Z fighters, they had to face cell without trunks. So there is actually 11 Timelines.
1.Original "timeline"
2."Original Trunks" First Time travel to the Past "timeline"
3."Original Trunks" First Time travel to the Future "timeline"
4."Original Trunks" Second Time travel to the Past "timeline"
5."Original Trunks" Second Time travel to the Future "timeline"
6."Cells" First Time travel to the Past (after he kills trunks, who was trying to inform the z figters of the androids defeat) "timeline"
7.Since trunks was killed this means there was another timeline where the New alive Trunks came from "timeline"
8."New Trunks" First Time travel to the Past "timeline"
9."New Trunks" First Time travel to the Future "timeline"
10."New Trunks" Second Time travel to the Past "timeline"
11."New Trunks" Second Time travel to the Future "timeline"
Your free to think what you want but these are the official timelines. There’s no need for a separate timeline if there is no paradox. It’s just like Avengers Endgame time travel rules.
@@GorshFlytgear A paradox is created every time he physically went back to the past, you cant go to the past and interact with that timeline without creating a divergence, i mean for simplicity sake u can say there are only a few timelines. like where did the new trunks come from? if the original got killed, and not to mention there were probably countless other paradoxes created that we didn't even see. there are so many potholes that just because it was said there are doesn't meant it was properly thought out, to be honest people making these videos and other youtubers watching probably put in more thought than the writers.
Uh, no.
I must go check.
I remember that when we were kids we used to say that Trunks created *FIVE* timelines.
This video explains everything clearly, so I must go back check why we thought there was a 5th one.
Honestly, right now I can't remember.
did you check
@@yohhh6715
I just remember about this video and that I never actually replied.
Either We counted the timeline where Cell kills Trunks a different one and not part of the TL3 (because not canon anymore), or
We counted a new timeline, after Trunks and Crilin destroyed Cell in the secret lab, in TL1,
because that Cell never had the chance to kill Trunks and take his time machine.
So there must be a future where Cell never had the chance to "born"... that can't be TimeLine 1, because Cell DO exist in that one, even if he came from another one...
I think that was the point (at the time).
Oh, wait! I just remember another thing: when they wished to bring back to life EVERYONE killed by Cell (except King Kai, for some reason) the Trunks Cell killed to steal his time machine should be brought back to life too.
That could create ANOTHER timeline.
Perfect explanation!
Perfect comment! Thanks!
Take a shot for everytime he says take a shot for when he says “back to the future”
drunk in 30 seconds lol!
After trunks defeat cell in his timeline we all know what happened next? Zamasu appears and attacks the city.
Trunks works for the TVA now
Why didnt the present time line changed when future trunks goes back and kills cell,
Why doesnt the futuere change when cell is killed by gohan???😭
This explanation makes Sense. trunks from t3 went to timeline where Cell never came to interfere thus trunks wasn’t strong enough to kill the androids and used device and eventually died to cell leading to t1 and t2 making trunks from t2 to become strong enough to kill the androids and cell in t2
It doesn't make sense why trunks set the time machine to go to 4 years earlier than the time period he had already visited
You could argue Trunks made a mistake, or Trunks was in the middle of programming the time machine when Cell sneaked up on him
@@dannybans23See that's the thing: they never say how cell was really able to go back that far, which causes the confusion.
@dannybans23 that would make it make sense. And realistically could happen but in terms of writing a story it should be better explained
This theory is just plain wrong in one of the main points. Trunks didn't "find the blueprints and decided to stay in the past after he found the second time machine".
Trunks FIRST finds the second time machine THEN learns that cell exists and THEN only after cell tells them about the basement, trunks goes there to destroy cell and finds them BY ACCIDENT.
So no, he didn't find the blueprints and went back in time in one timeline and then in another decided to stay because he found out about the second time machine
Ever since trunks returned in super I've been confused as hell
its so confusing because, who literally change the original timeline which is occuring in the android saga? is it cell or trunks?
Both
What timeline did cell come from and what timeline is the future trunks also? because the future trunks that got killed by cell and the future trunks now are different right?
@@jaybeecaranza9471 "the future trunks that got killed by cell " in the cell sga? or in the future ?
@@jaybeecaranza9471 cell came from the original time line(3) aka cell timeline. the future trunks came from timeline 2. in timeline 1 : cell is killed by gohan. timeline 2: future trunks kills android 17 and 18 by being strong, and kills cell. timeline 3 : trunks kills android 17 and 18 with the device and got killed by cell (the one that origined from, and go backs with the machine to our main timeline(1) to fight the fighters and got is perfect form and got killed by gohan ).
@@jonathanlibeskind7641 the one that got killed by the cell who attains his perfect form
Correction timeline 4 is supposed to have a cell (the one in the basement)
So hypothetically, there would be a main timeline Cell that still exist, but didn’t absorb the Androids.
No, he was killed by Krillin. He probably existed in timeline 4, though.
0:24 Cells timeline is the original timeline.
My biggest question is how did Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc deal with Boo, Beerus, or Zamasu in the unseen timeline
Theres a flaw in your arguement for the second travel while the new main would not create a paradox the old main would as trunks is now changing thay future by bringing goku /vageta there.
'What about the time line where cell never returns but trunks is killed, causing a split because trunks returned to one timeline and the ither time line cell gets killed but killled trunks
I’m bit lost 2:59
Didn’t trunks stayed in the main timeline for present bulma to build an emergency button?
Yea but only because Trunks went back in time to discover it for her. Theres the timeline were he finds it and returns to old bulma in timeline 3. And a timeline were he stays and lets present Bulma make the switch, then creates a paradox where the androids
die, thus making timeline 4
Timeline 4 does have a Cell, every timeline does. Cell(3) is the only one that time traveled. The Cell we know, Cell(3), is the ultimate villain Cell, the only one who killed Trunks(twice) and time traveled. Trunks(3) originally traveled to Timeline 4 in which the Androids were defeated via the remote and Cell was never discovered, then Trunks(3) went back to Timeline 3 and was killed by Cell(3). Cell(3) traveled to Timeline 1, AKA the show we watch. Timeline 4's fate is unknown because Cell is still alive, but the androids are dead via remote control. The Z fighters are not strong enough to defeat imperfect Cell because they are all weaker than the androids, but it is unknown what Timeline 4's Cell is up to, and it is unknown if Timeline 4 Z fighters are strong enough for Majin Buu to be revived, likely not as it required SS2 power to revive him. There is also no time machine here, so Cell(4) is stuck here.
why would timeline 4’s androids be dead? Trunks only created that timeline by choosing to leave it to go back to timeline 3 with the blueprints. He uses the blueprints to make the device, shuts down the androids, dies to Cell(3) who goes to timeline 1. The cycle fixes itself. Timeline 4 should play out basically the same as Timeline 3, only now with a brief appearance of Trunks in the past.
What future did trucks return too after his universe was destroyed.
I’m confused if he goes back to original time line and dies from cell , how does he go back to main timeline ?
Because Cell created a timeline were Trunks doesn’t return to the original timeline to be killed. Trunks only got killed because he chose to return to his timeline after finding the blueprints to defeat the androids. Then original Cell kills him and travels to Timeline 1. But that means that Trunks goes back to the past like before, finds Cell’s time machine and decides not to go back. He then wins, but instead of returning to his Original timeline, he creates timeline 2 from the paradox
"Confusion of the highest orda!" screamed the Ugandan after watching Cell saga
My question is,
From where did Trunks arrive in the main timeline-1 that we see in the anime?
In timeline 3, he dies.
From timeline 4, he goes to timeline 3.
Timeline 2 has the Trunks who went there from timeline 1.
So how the heck he was there in timeline 1?
No t3 is the original timeline, t3 trunks is the one who kills frieza and cold, then gives Goku the antidote then returns to t3 deactivates the androids, then is killed by cell, cell takes his time machine goes back 4 years before t3 trunks made his first trip then that creates a paradox making trunks stay and train with Vegeta.
So is the original trunks alive
OG Trunks is dead, thats what kickstarts all the timelines
It was all going so good until the freeza saga why did toriyama had to mess it up with the time travel stuff.
then what timeline was that when beerus shoved mai and trunks into a old future was that timeline 2 again but far back in timeline 2
I can officially say you lose me at 3:35
I don't get why the unseen timeline is necessary for understanding how Cell can be dead and travel to the past. Three timelines seems to be more than enough for me
Well we needed a Timeline that didn’t have a cell (at least a cell that’s an immediate threat) for that version of trunks, otherwise he would never get ambushed and we wouldn’t have our main timeline in the first place.
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT how would he take him back in time in the capsule??? Is that stated somewhere for real? Because it wasn't big enough for small Cell lol much less trunks PLUS Goku are they gonna like curl up into a ball and stack on top of each other?!
This... makes no sense. Wouldn't a new timeline have been created when Cell traveled back 4 years?
The thing that annoys me about this whole thing is that it's never covered how Trunks defeated the androids before Cell kills and steals Trunks' time machine. It's assumed that he found the blueprints, but the blueprints were in Dr Gero's lab with Cell's tanked "fetus", so he must've killed the Cell in that timeline prematurely as well. And why would he go to the lab to begin with? It's a little too convenient for my taste. Unless I'm misunderstanding something...?
Even if that Trunks knows that there must be a Cell lurking in his own timeline, he wouldn’t be strong enough to defeat him by himself. Future Bulma probably knows the general location of Gero’s lab, but the only way to exactly know would be to follow Gero there like the Z fighters did in the main timeline we see in the show
(Have rewatched some Buu saga recently, and the logic of needing the bad guy to lead you to their lair seems to be a pattern. The Supreme Kai of all people needed Gohan’s energy to be sucked dry for Spopovich and Yamu to lead him to Babadi)
As you said, the trunks who went to timeline 4 and died in timeline 3 probably killed the cell from timeline 4 when he discovered the prints there. But you are right, I don’t know where it’s assumed that trunks found these prints
What’s crazy is the orginal timeline shows the complete extinction of the sayian race
@@nineteenct I mean, if Trunks, the pragmatic time traveller, knew the location of the lab from the past, he would get that shit on a map and destroyed it in the future. EVEN IF by some butterfly effect stuff it was different, Bulma would still know the general location like you said, and he could literally just fly everywhere looking for it. Or he could wipe out the entire landscape. Or Bulma could build a mega-ultra-scanner.
The reason he didn't do it is probably that he didn't know what Cell even was, therefore didn't "notice" or care for the fetus... which is a stretch
i have Question ....When Cell Absrobs android 18 Trunks got a flashback of Future Perfect Cell What happened to Him ......what Happened To Future Perfect Cell when cell begin to Transform after absorbing 18 Trunks got a flashback about the dark future and saw an image of Perfect Cell so what happened to him there is a perfect cell on future trunks timeline i know what i'm talking about i'm not Referring to the imperfect cell that Trunks killed No ...trunks got a flashback about Future Perfect Cell i remember watching that episode and i remember the scene
Okay there is no paradox cell made a new timeline where he fails early on and so the hot timeline still happens or one where cell catches everyone off guard and does whatver he wants with his perfect form.
But we will just say he fails early on and makee the hot tineline now future trunks 2 goes back in time but cell will be there cuz he should be
Then the rest plays out as normal so there is 4 timelines
My question is why did alternate future Trunks set the time machine to go to the year before Gokus arrival? Cell told piccolo that when he stole the time machine he used the date that Trunks programmed into it. So why would he go to that year?
When Piccolo is fighting Imperfect Cell, Piccolo asks “why did you choose three years ago?” (meaning Cell would have arrived in 764) to which Cell replies “I didnt, I used the date Trunks preprogrammed.” (Which doesn’t add up because the date that Trunks programmed would have to be 763 if cell didn’t alter the time machine destination).
@@rileyarcher2174 i should create a fan series where a new bad guy went into the time machine and changed the fucking dial for some goddamn reason to set everything into motion and explain away this plot hole lol
So the Trunks that gave Goku the antidote, got killed later on.
When i am right so in the main timeline there should be two cells or not? The one who is travelling and the who kid gohan destroys?
Yea but they destroyed that unborn Cell when they discovered the blueprints to the androids
I hate anything with time travel in it cause it is confusing and when time travel is in a series it should be explained perfectly in the series so it don’t lead to confusion etc
I wish this time machine in dbz cell saga will be invented in real life so that someone will use it to bring the vaccine for covid19 in year 2019 or earlier.
You can get vaccinated rn. Lol
But that would just create a new timeline achieving nothing right?
@@Alex-02 I guess so, a timeline where covid might have ended before 2020, and they're living their normal lives, no quarantine, no lockdown
I love it how the explanations are so clear so I can appreciate how fucked up the time travelling stuff is more xD
Why time line 4 dont have cell
So these are the splits in time
1st split: trunks heals goku and kills frieza instead of goku
2nd split: trunks learns about cell and stays in the past
3rd split: trunks training in the time chaimber to get stronger. Cell is killed by gohan and trunks is revieved. Trunks returns to his timeline destroying the androids instead of deactivating them and destroys cell before he has the chance to kill trunks. Now i’m gonna pass out in my bed because this was way to much for my brain to handle
🤣 perfect!