I am really happy with the change towards handling guests. Very often guests would feel samey, because they all have similar backgrounds and I personally don't particularly care about specific peoples careers in esports unless I am a fan of them or their team. But with the focus of this show I can rely on getting what I am interested in, which is LEC deep dives, and have just an extra viewpoint on it, plus some behind the scenes anecdotes. Good change, probably my favorite League show rn
I agree, initially I thought it wouldn't be quite my cup of tea, but I've actually really enjoyed the frequency and variety of guests they've had. There will never be an episode with a wet blanket guest because they pretty much only have on known good podcast guests
Agreed. It's actually impressive that they diagnosed the relatively common guest mismatch as an issue and moved to address it. So they've created a product that's transitioned away from interviews and towards just general discussion and analysis. So it's more than capable of standing on its own, but can be enhanced by a guest when it makes sense.
Nelson : "Theres no angle for them to win" , Thorin - "I think Fanatic will win the series easly..." , Dom - "I dont really know how they can win" Baam! G2 wins 3-0 ^^
I don't think it's fair to say Malrang will be bad on a bad team. He plays very selfish in soloque and dominates like the Hecarim games. I think he is just a good jungler that plays for the team needs. Time will tell if I'm wrong. I still think Larsen for sure was the MVP of the series.
@@aoh4905 they as in fans i assume because everyone in that video literally said that malrang is just a great jungler. Only argument was the Larsen deserved match MVP because without him popping off on sylas it's a 3-0 to FNATIC
I think lowkey rogue is quite possibly the best at scouting and signing new talent. Then believing in them and training them to perform. Everyone wrote off trymbi off last year, now look at him. Everyone trashed on larsen last year and now hes performing, malrang was so random we all thought, i personally thought comp would he bottom 3. Like this team has the system down.
Tangential rant here but it really rubs me the wrong way... Can we not perpetrate the false narrative that flandre is the shotcaller of EDG. Jiejie in a recent interview even confirmed that although everyone pitches in, Meiko is, and always has been, the main shotcaller of EDG (this goes back to the Clearlove days). I like both Ming and Meiko, Ming has had higher averages in recent years but Meikos career has been much longer. They've both got more years in them so we won't know until the dust settles. It's just really disgusting that Meiko, as the only player who's seen all of EDGs success, gets thrown under the bus to prop up Flandre.
@@busherinolol1693 which is interesting, because the vibe of them is flipped (Bjerg & Larssen being more reserved personalities and Jensen & Humanoid being more aggressive)
The obvious MVP for RGE is Trymbi and he'd be my MVP if ever RGE wins vs FNC again. Humanoid would be MVP if FNC wins but hes struggling with Razork being heavy af, Upset and Wunder being passive in lane (though Wunder does his job in team fights, more worried about Upset playing too scared like Comp was doing more damage and was not afraid to deal damage) and Hylli needs to stop choking if he wants to win vs RGE cause Trymbi is the only support (other than Mikyx who can match him). In fact Trymbi actually should be in the conversation of top 3-5 MVP candidates of regular season. Trymbi just plays everything from enchanters to engage champions. His HIGHS may not be as HIGH as Hylli, but hes super good at everything else Hylli isnt good at, he doesnt lose you games outright either. Trymbi should be the next support people should keep an eye on. Not fking overrated Targamas and Labrov. Targamas cant do shit if he doesnt get the counterpick and he has the highest priority of any supports in getting counterpicks, hes overrated af.
Claiming Malrang is not the reason RGE won shows what a fanboy of Larsen you are. Its so funny that Thorin behaves the same way as the imaginary fans that he constantly refers to.
Malrang is a decent player but gets overrated, he will get exposed internationally. His tendencies to sin and his gank heavy style are exploitable. Also his rune choices (first strike j4) are retarded.
According to their logic, faker or bang was mvp vs edg game in group stage in 2017 not wolf, because they carried the game but who gave them a chance to shine in first case, yeah it is wolf.
@@Snootz86 I mean. In that series litteraly the entire RGE team sacrificed their own lanes in some ways to make sure hecarim got an early lead. It's like, who played the best, the guy who got funneld by his team, or the guy who sacrificed himself for the guy getting funneld, and then winning his own matchup despite the sacrifice. Fnc had an ENORMOUS top and really large bot lane advantege. Yet still odo won top, and bot was ok. Larssen picked a champion he was uncomfortable with, and that is antithetical to his style of play in order to give malrang his comfort pick in hecarim. Then he outlaned, outpressured and outteamfought humanoid, the guy everyone is hailing as the best EU mid. Not saying malrang didn't play really well. But this whole comment thread isn't giving Larssen the Credit he desserves, and using the score line to determine malrangs performence in that game is especialy bad faith, when his entire team sacrificed their ability to play well to ensure he had that score line, but then still won lane.
Damn Thorins a huge Flakked hater. In his first ever playoffs has a 6 game run with only 1 death and really god K/A and showed the ability to carry against Carzy(who’s a two time LEC winner) and got no recognition
@@Shreddasaurus I’m not saying he’s a better ADC or player. But they just shit on him in the pod. I think he’s shown the ability to carry if given the resources and deserves more credit
@@obba40 when g2 is literally most flexible team in LEC 😂😅 but i do respect thorin flaming himself for saying real finals was fnatic rogue on Twitter 😅😂
don't belittle malrang to prop up larssen, it wasn't his fault that he had a good start in the jungle in the last three games, how can you not see that you sound the same as the people who say humanoid had a bad game instead of praising larssen
This is a simplification of their take just to try to make a point, if you listen to the context and the full statement carefully, there is plenty to back up the statement, and concessions that Malrang did play well given his advantage in the situation
I disagree, marlang is like keria in t1, he did his job perfectly or Rouge would not make finals in first case. Humaniod underperformed so hard, I will give Larsen mvp if marlang played so bad, but marlang deserved because of his impact on map not just mid.
@@MrDespisedIcon Holy shit you have an issue you are commenting everywhere they are not praising players because they are Korean??? wtf is wrong with you where do you get that delusional opionion
I think you're confusing being dissident and saying bullshit. Malrang is the MVP of Rogue and it's pretty ridiculous to see you trying to minimize his contribution to the team. I guess you're watching all Rogue's game hoping to see him making a mistake so you can criticize him in your next video. Larssen and the whole team did a great job but it was Malrang (and I might add Trymbi) who made it possible.
The sponsor activation in this podcast is well done and actually a very compelling call to action. I feel inclined to make a bet now, and I really love that we get to hear some experts opinions following to either reinforce my bets, or make me reconsider them. Great work, seriously impressed.
The whole narrative that Rogue was some big time chokers to begin with was bogus.. Spring 2020.. Didn't qualify for playoffs.. Summer 2020.. Sure they won regular split.. but NOBODY had them as favorites for the title.. They had a terrible meta read and FNC (who had better players) beat them 3-0.. RGE then turned round crushed MAD 3-0.. and had a great back and forth with G2 and went 2-3.. with FInn getting owned by Wunder pretty much solo losing it.. Then fast forward to 2021 Spring.. RGE AGAIN were not the favorites.. G2 won regular split (also beat rge 2-0) and were the obvious choice for who would win.. In the end it came down to MAD vs RGE.. and THIS was the first time/ONLY time RGE choked in the Caitlyin game vs Wukong and then the final game.. In summer 2021.. NOBODY had Rogue as favorites and they crashed and Burned vs MAD (the favorites) and FNC. People act like Rogue has never won a b05 lol its crazy
Vetheo is pretty meh in lane tho. He's gotten solo killed a few times and all of his carry games are basically comebacks and him smurfing in teamfights
I 100% think he will too, but if this version of larssen is confident from the last series against humanoid we might just see humanoid get clapped again
Malrang was a fucking monster. His ability to read the map and just keep them in the game is unreal. I can't believe he came into LEC and just destroyed the junglers of this region.
Malrang is literally every pro players kryptonite. Any pro who thinks he is good gets deleted by his playstyle. Malrang can be made absolutely useless every game in an instant. Just play save... He does nothing but gank, just loose some cs in exchange you won´t loose the game 5min in! xD However it works cause pro players love their ego play of winning lane but the only thing they actually win is another Malrang gank.
I think it's more so that pros try to out smart their opponents. That's what people like LS especialy, but even caedrel and dom mean when they say that players "know when to sin". They aren't playing theoretically "perfect" but they try to win more by correctly predicting what their opponents would do. Malrang is just a giggachad who'll do it better than anyone else. But when others are doing geniunly unexpected shit, and catch malrang off guard, he's like a fish out of water. That doesn't take away from him as a player, it's just having tactical instinct.
@@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 True. However they know what he does and still fall for it nearly every game. Like at some point your brain should work out that their only win condition is an early pop-off from Malrang. How about i play this lane def for once and swallow my pride. I guarantee you Larssen would not die to Malrang ganks because his natural playstyle is defensive/safe. He doesn´t flip all-in´s in lane when he doesn´t know for a fact it´s safe to do so. Or another way to describe it. You knowing Malrang could be mid is not smart from you if you flip the overextension/all-in 1v1 anyway. That is the definition of stupidity. Knowing it´s an int play and doing it anyways because maybe he isn´t there! xD
maybe analysts should learn to climb to challenger just as lec players should definitely watch and analyze fifty lpl games a week, how about that, it's only their job you know
Yo algorithm; like im really gonna go from this to the dive
I do
@@emceemikey that's like going from fine dining to 7 day old McDonald's
Time for hotline league
@@Rusty_Justice it's like going from food that gives me heartburn to food that gives me a stomach ache
@@Rusty_Justice I would say that's more hotline league. The dive is typically watchable. HLL is like...beyond cancer
I am really happy with the change towards handling guests. Very often guests would feel samey, because they all have similar backgrounds and I personally don't particularly care about specific peoples careers in esports unless I am a fan of them or their team.
But with the focus of this show I can rely on getting what I am interested in, which is LEC deep dives, and have just an extra viewpoint on it, plus some behind the scenes anecdotes.
Good change, probably my favorite League show rn
I agree, initially I thought it wouldn't be quite my cup of tea, but I've actually really enjoyed the frequency and variety of guests they've had. There will never be an episode with a wet blanket guest because they pretty much only have on known good podcast guests
Agreed. It's actually impressive that they diagnosed the relatively common guest mismatch as an issue and moved to address it.
So they've created a product that's transitioned away from interviews and towards just general discussion and analysis.
So it's more than capable of standing on its own, but can be enhanced by a guest when it makes sense.
51:03 You can always rely on Nelson to say the most outrageous shit with a straight face hahahaha
Nelson : "Theres no angle for them to win" , Thorin - "I think Fanatic will win the series easly..." , Dom - "I dont really know how they can win" Baam! G2 wins 3-0 ^^
This episode aged like milk. 🤔
ageed realy well i guess ^^
I don't think it's fair to say Malrang will be bad on a bad team. He plays very selfish in soloque and dominates like the Hecarim games. I think he is just a good jungler that plays for the team needs. Time will tell if I'm wrong.
I still think Larsen for sure was the MVP of the series.
I wonder why they're hating on Malrang so much lol. Kind of weird. It's a team game and Larsen needs Malrang and Malrang needs his laners as well.
@@aoh4905 they as in fans i assume because everyone in that video literally said that malrang is just a great jungler. Only argument was the Larsen deserved match MVP because without him popping off on sylas it's a 3-0 to FNATIC
This didnt age well :)
yes another guest episode :) thankyou guys
This has to be the only channel where the NA content outperforms the EU content xD
We stan Nelson, love the show
i love how you guys just push G2 to the side and automatically think fnatic will win despite not even being the finals. Next minute, 12-0 G2.
Easy for you to say after watching the results XD. Tho we all happy g2 won
I think lowkey rogue is quite possibly the best at scouting and signing new talent. Then believing in them and training them to perform. Everyone wrote off trymbi off last year, now look at him. Everyone trashed on larsen last year and now hes performing, malrang was so random we all thought, i personally thought comp would he bottom 3. Like this team has the system down.
Tangential rant here but it really rubs me the wrong way... Can we not perpetrate the false narrative that flandre is the shotcaller of EDG. Jiejie in a recent interview even confirmed that although everyone pitches in, Meiko is, and always has been, the main shotcaller of EDG (this goes back to the Clearlove days). I like both Ming and Meiko, Ming has had higher averages in recent years but Meikos career has been much longer. They've both got more years in them so we won't know until the dust settles.
It's just really disgusting that Meiko, as the only player who's seen all of EDGs success, gets thrown under the bus to prop up Flandre.
Didn't age well.
5:30 Hyli was winning lane with Pyke Vs Lulu against Uzi and Ming even 🤣
I have never seen as many angry comments as i have when they essentially just said malrang was a bit overrated in the series.
Holy shit the takes in the comment section this time are actually giving me brain damage.
Thorin when is the NFL off season breakdown coming? I keep seeing the nfl jerseys and it makes me want one
Nelson best guest as always
Perkz didn't pick Labrov Thorin. Carzyy wanted to play with him
larssen/humanoid feels very similiar to Jensen/Bjergsen
EU mid rivalries are something else
Bjergsen maybe in his younger days. Currently I would say there is more assassin/aggressiveness in humanoid than bjergsen
@@6666Imperator I think the similairity is in Humanoid (Bjergsen) getting the praise and Larsson (Jensen) being overlooked
@@busherinolol1693 which is interesting, because the vibe of them is flipped (Bjerg & Larssen being more reserved personalities and Jensen & Humanoid being more aggressive)
Larssen would have gotten mvp in summer if they won, still the best mid overall imo but.
Rewatching Nelson's takes on G2 afterwards, no wonder G2 was so bad when he was there.
To me Selfmade is a Dardoch light, you know he can play like a madman but he's just not suitable for a teamgame.
And G2 won - suprised?
The obvious MVP for RGE is Trymbi and he'd be my MVP if ever RGE wins vs FNC again. Humanoid would be MVP if FNC wins but hes struggling with Razork being heavy af, Upset and Wunder being passive in lane (though Wunder does his job in team fights, more worried about Upset playing too scared like Comp was doing more damage and was not afraid to deal damage) and Hylli needs to stop choking if he wants to win vs RGE cause Trymbi is the only support (other than Mikyx who can match him). In fact Trymbi actually should be in the conversation of top 3-5 MVP candidates of regular season. Trymbi just plays everything from enchanters to engage champions. His HIGHS may not be as HIGH as Hylli, but hes super good at everything else Hylli isnt good at, he doesnt lose you games outright either. Trymbi should be the next support people should keep an eye on. Not fking overrated Targamas and Labrov. Targamas cant do shit if he doesnt get the counterpick and he has the highest priority of any supports in getting counterpicks, hes overrated af.
Malrang, def
Claiming Malrang is not the reason RGE won shows what a fanboy of Larsen you are. Its so funny that Thorin behaves the same way as the imaginary fans that he constantly refers to.
Malrang is a decent player but gets overrated, he will get exposed internationally. His tendencies to sin and his gank heavy style are exploitable. Also his rune choices (first strike j4) are retarded.
According to their logic, faker or bang was mvp vs edg game in group stage in 2017 not wolf, because they carried the game but who gave them a chance to shine in first case, yeah it is wolf.
? Thorin's got biases and he's not afraid to show it. Flame, Froggen, etc. For entertainment he'll flame fans for overrating certain players/teams
Yeah.. to be honest Malrang was what like 4-0 on hecarim in 2 of the games they won.. he was the MVP imo.. Larsen followed up well
@@Snootz86 I mean. In that series litteraly the entire RGE team sacrificed their own lanes in some ways to make sure hecarim got an early lead. It's like, who played the best, the guy who got funneld by his team, or the guy who sacrificed himself for the guy getting funneld, and then winning his own matchup despite the sacrifice. Fnc had an ENORMOUS top and really large bot lane advantege. Yet still odo won top, and bot was ok. Larssen picked a champion he was uncomfortable with, and that is antithetical to his style of play in order to give malrang his comfort pick in hecarim. Then he outlaned, outpressured and outteamfought humanoid, the guy everyone is hailing as the best EU mid. Not saying malrang didn't play really well. But this whole comment thread isn't giving Larssen the Credit he desserves, and using the score line to determine malrangs performence in that game is especialy bad faith, when his entire team sacrificed their ability to play well to ensure he had that score line, but then still won lane.
Damn Thorins a huge Flakked hater. In his first ever playoffs has a 6 game run with only 1 death and really god K/A and showed the ability to carry against Carzy(who’s a two time LEC winner) and got no recognition
they lost every 2v2 lane vs vitality tho
@@Shreddasaurus I’m not saying he’s a better ADC or player. But they just shit on him in the pod. I think he’s shown the ability to carry if given the resources and deserves more credit
i mean most of the time they talk about his laning which is not always the best but i tend to agree
@@LucasMogensenn dying once in the first game of the series and then never again is losing?
I understand their opinions on G2, but i do feel like they are underselling g2 and overselling FNATIC. But not too an insane degree
Way underselling KEKW
@@obba40 id say this aged really well hehehe
@@Nordickaiser G2 isnt flexible enough, G2 botlane will loose, Caps isnt in form KEKW. "I dont see how they are going to win".
@@obba40 when g2 is literally most flexible team in LEC 😂😅 but i do respect thorin flaming himself for saying real finals was fnatic rogue on Twitter 😅😂
@@obba40
this didn;t age well. GG LEC King is back. LEC is a mess but at least G2 is in form.
So many things went completely different then said here 😂
KEKW
don't belittle malrang to prop up larssen, it wasn't his fault that he had a good start in the jungle in the last three games, how can you not see that you sound the same as the people who say humanoid had a bad game instead of praising larssen
This is a simplification of their take just to try to make a point, if you listen to the context and the full statement carefully, there is plenty to back up the statement, and concessions that Malrang did play well given his advantage in the situation
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I disagree, marlang is like keria in t1, he did his job perfectly or Rouge would not make finals in first case. Humaniod underperformed so hard, I will give Larsen mvp if marlang played so bad, but marlang deserved because of his impact on map not just mid.
Agreed. Larssen got his shit together but rogue was only ever in the position to bring it back BECAUSE of Malrang.
Man just compared Keria to Malrang
I agree but keria is just a monster
@@MrDespisedIcon Holy shit you have an issue you are commenting everywhere they are not praising players because they are Korean??? wtf is wrong with you where do you get that delusional opionion
@@MrDespisedIcon Jankos > malrang
I think you're confusing being dissident and saying bullshit. Malrang is the MVP of Rogue and it's pretty ridiculous to see you trying to minimize his contribution to the team. I guess you're watching all Rogue's game hoping to see him making a mistake so you can criticize him in your next video. Larssen and the whole team did a great job but it was Malrang (and I might add Trymbi) who made it possible.
So Malrang and that cs guy are basically Southpaws? :D
Thorin is actually beyond based.
Am I the only one listening to the farts during all the show? 45:58
The sponsor activation in this podcast is well done and actually a very compelling call to action. I feel inclined to make a bet now, and I really love that we get to hear some experts opinions following to either reinforce my bets, or make me reconsider them. Great work, seriously impressed.
Nelson diff
The whole narrative that Rogue was some big time chokers to begin with was bogus.. Spring 2020.. Didn't qualify for playoffs.. Summer 2020.. Sure they won regular split.. but NOBODY had them as favorites for the title.. They had a terrible meta read and FNC (who had better players) beat them 3-0.. RGE then turned round crushed MAD 3-0.. and had a great back and forth with G2 and went 2-3.. with FInn getting owned by Wunder pretty much solo losing it.. Then fast forward to 2021 Spring.. RGE AGAIN were not the favorites.. G2 won regular split (also beat rge 2-0) and were the obvious choice for who would win.. In the end it came down to MAD vs RGE.. and THIS was the first time/ONLY time RGE choked in the Caitlyin game vs Wukong and then the final game.. In summer 2021.. NOBODY had Rogue as favorites and they crashed and Burned vs MAD (the favorites) and FNC. People act like Rogue has never won a b05 lol its crazy
So... You're saying that G2 won fair and square?
Damn he thinks perkz is top 2 laning mid laners ? Damn that’s a hot take. I’d think he was like 4th then maybe 3’rd after vetheo had a rough playoffs
Vetheo is pretty meh in lane tho. He's gotten solo killed a few times and all of his carry games are basically comebacks and him smurfing in teamfights
Larsen is the best laner by far, then its Perkz... But Perkz has no jungle synergy and f***s up basic things in teamfights... broken hands
@@Truhno4 yep, agreed. Larssen is the best.
great guest
Monte L+RATIO = YOU FELL OFF
Humanoid will shit on larssen in the finals, mark my words!
I 100% think he will too, but if this version of larssen is confident from the last series against humanoid we might just see humanoid get clapped again
Didnt age well
welp
You got me boys 😃
Malrang was a fucking monster. His ability to read the map and just keep them in the game is unreal. I can't believe he came into LEC and just destroyed the junglers of this region.
Didn't age well gg
@@turnermarius4471 Yeah, those pesky choking problems struck for three certain individuals leftover from last year.
What’s obvious is this Chinese coach is biased against Koreans.
God I hate Nelson as a guest
Nelson is a pretty weak guest imo.
Malrang is literally every pro players kryptonite. Any pro who thinks he is good gets deleted by his playstyle.
Malrang can be made absolutely useless every game in an instant. Just play save... He does nothing but gank, just loose some cs in exchange you won´t loose the game 5min in! xD
However it works cause pro players love their ego play of winning lane but the only thing they actually win is another Malrang gank.
I think it's more so that pros try to out smart their opponents. That's what people like LS especialy, but even caedrel and dom mean when they say that players "know when to sin". They aren't playing theoretically "perfect" but they try to win more by correctly predicting what their opponents would do. Malrang is just a giggachad who'll do it better than anyone else. But when others are doing geniunly unexpected shit, and catch malrang off guard, he's like a fish out of water. That doesn't take away from him as a player, it's just having tactical instinct.
@@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 True. However they know what he does and still fall for it nearly every game. Like at some point your brain should work out that their only win condition is an early pop-off from Malrang. How about i play this lane def for once and swallow my pride.
I guarantee you Larssen would not die to Malrang ganks because his natural playstyle is defensive/safe. He doesn´t flip all-in´s in lane when he doesn´t know for a fact it´s safe to do so.
Or another way to describe it. You knowing Malrang could be mid is not smart from you if you flip the overextension/all-in 1v1 anyway. That is the definition of stupidity. Knowing it´s an int play and doing it anyways because maybe he isn´t there! xD
maybe analysts should learn to climb to challenger just as lec players should definitely watch and analyze fifty lpl games a week, how about that, it's only their job you know