They hit the wall. Losing every scrim ment they had bad practice and didnt progress, so when teams started playng beter on stage and focused them in draft they collapsed and codnt come back in a weak because they didnt know how to improve.
Illaoi will be meta.... FINN TOP DOMINANCE INCOMING. I swear... if he doesnt play Illaoi... something is wrong. Teamfights are always clusterfucks and if you just pick frontline they have to come into you where Illaoi shines. Pick hypers mid and adc with range, top/jg full tank bruisers with cc, enchanter supp. Free wins. G2, V5, T1 unsterstand this premise of draft superiority.
Every time this podcast ends I think I broke my phone. Like the no outro thing works like a charm makes me check the video if everything is ok. Love it now
This episode was really huge ! I like the format very much. Enough open discussions with the guest and then some specific questions. You guys feel more relaxed after clarifying the format as well ! Thanks for the show !
Only a few minutes in, but with what Youngbuck said here, and what Dylan said the other day, and with what we know about the drafting preferences of players like Broken Blade and caPs, there looks to be a cool narrative emerging about G2 being draft Gods. Not necessarily the stronger team on paper, but able to out-draft strategise their opponents. Pretty cool, I reckon
dylan was talking about an answer for ahri that they didnt even had to show and i have the feeling he was talking about picking yasuo simply because u hard outpush ahri with it + u can use it as a flex pick because dylan said that bb is a very good yasuo player
@@DeJokker35 in yesterday's SI episode Dylan was talking about Veigar as the Ahri counter, but they didn't want to use it because Veigar was a bit too passive for what Caps and G2 wanted to do.
@@nuraby_9228 yes which implies that they had something else prepared, he also didnt want get to much into it and jumped onto the point with the veigar provided by dom
1:06:24 The problem with being cocky is that if you win, people still kinda/secretly hate you (e.g. Perkz), but if you lf you lose, people now gloat in their hate of you and blame you for everything like Upset
I think G2 surprised people by not completely sacking bot and allowing Targa to roam and flakked to carry. If they can continue this into summer, they’ll be up there still
In defense of finals being not good. Dom mentioned FNC vs G2 in 2019, but forgets that that was in summer and in spring G2 smashed every one and it wasnt very competitive, 2020 was the same where spring was worse than summer, 2021 was the opposite tho.
Im the biggest Rogue fan ever, but i 100% agree with Youngbuck here. I would like to see more of these explosive and creative counterpicks like the Sylas into the TF. Would love to see Larssen pop off on the Vex into Ahri or something like a Rek'sai into Lee Sin from Malrang like we see in the LPL and i would be so fucking happy of this team. I need more creativity and pocket picks. Similar to Flakked picking MF. We haven't seen MF at all this split basically, and then Flakked picks it up out of pretty much nowhere. This is the step that Rogue needs to take to become a big EU team
The weird thing is sylas has been a TF counterpick for quite a while now. Hell, we saw caps crush BDD on the pick during worlds a couple years ago when g2 played geng. Its just so weird that we aren't seeing teams make use of counterpicks in europe.
@@lanoa111 Yep, especially with Rogue they seem to prefer to plan a certain draft and then just not care at all what the enemy team picks. Obviously the narrative has been for a while that Rogue is a "One style team" which i disagree with. Rogue can play and prepares many different styles. The problem is not that they can't adapt mid series inbetween games, the problem is rather adapting in the middle of the draft i feel like.
Not sure about that retcon take regarding G2’s scrims. Carlos discussed how the roster had been selected through testing against worlds teams and had been competitive with the east, then very early into the split mentioning finding “scrim form” and implying that they were winning a strong majority of their scrims.
but Dom is kinda fair, Caps didnt play that good for last what more than a year, especially not on top 5 mid in the world level for sure, but hes not afraid to criticize Huma and Perkz, even if he believes Huma is/was better in last year+. Thats why people like Dom or atleast i do, the guy is actually very sane, its never the extremes 1- mega shit always 2nd top player even if hes inting and that cannot change. Not afraid to criticize players he likes or even has friendly relationship with.
Doms face when youngbuck says he would take caps above any other midlaner 😂 And another insider confirming g2 was indeed the best team in scrims only minutes in the video…… Funny how when rogue is rumored to be winning and serious in scrims it’s amazing but when it’s g2 it’s a false flag haha
Fnatic looks like a team that absolutely hates each other. Take a look at Wunders second death in the first game of the G2 series it's around 26:10 on the VOD. Ahri walks up from mid to top and dives him while Humanoid is just walking around enjoying a guided tour of the river taking in the scenery. Then right after he dies a blue missing ping goes down on the mid lane. I get that they're a team and pings are probably used for advanced communication, but if i'm in Solo queue and i'm getting missing pings thrown down on my lane after a teammate gets roamed on and dove, there's usually only one thing that means, and it's not exactly a good sign for it to be happening in the first game of the series. Would also explain what YoungBuck said about Hylissang suffering from performance issues when there's a bad team atmosphere.
Brah what are you talking about, almost every pro you had on your show during the split said that G2 was under performing and voted them as a favorite to show up in play offs???
Ornn is always disrespected when talked about in the Jayce vs Ornn match-up. It is not Jayce favored. In master+ globally (last patch, pre jayce nerfs) Ornn is winning 56.89% of games on a sample of 225 games. Ornn also can build kill pressure with freezes and easy dives.
yea, also ls talked about the jayce ornn matchup as ornn favourite or at least not as good for the jayce as people might think; also he can tank poke during teamfight ad his ult is really strong vs immobile ad
It the east where the jayces are much better at the game it isn't favoured for the ornn in any metric its up to the maybe to play well which most pros in the West don't do consistently
i honestly kinda think that matchups which get countered with jayce are pure myths or to expand a little on that i dont think there is any player in the west who is proficient and dominant enough on jayce that you should pick it at all whenever i see jayce in the west he is 100 % of the times not as usefull as enemy toplaner and god forbid he dies 1 time in lane then u almost have no toplaner att all like i get the feeling its not worth at all to pick a jayce even if he gets like 40-50 cs lead because the other toplaner will be a orn or some other more usefull champ which will excel in tfs
Masters+ isnt the same as LEC final tho.Jayce is a champion that is as strong as the player behind it.Jayce poppy used to be the same way and Odo at s6 worlds won both matchups on quite a few games.He is historically one of the better EU Jayce players and at a series ending finals game he is expected to win vs Ornn hard even though Ornn has tools to fight back
Using soloq isn't the best because of how chaotic the games are. It's like saying Ryze vs X using soloq stats when Ryze is basically a sub 40% champ in soloq but has a lot of merit in pro play.
i get that most people would prefer going to 5 games, but 12-0 sounds like a great meme so i'm quite happy. reminds me of the other times when g2 wasn't playing the best and then just smashed. like kogmaw lulu, i guess? the strat is good, i hope they keep it up and improve.
Also even though they bring it up for trymbi, I’m confused how they don’t understand the Upset flame. It’s just like young Perkz. Cocky attitude without the results. Nobody’s saying he’s a bad player, but you can’t act like that with no results: MVPs, titles, performing internationally. If he starts to get the accolades people will forget that like they did for Perkz
Also about the vague rumours, if vitality and Fnatic are trading players I can only see alphari for Wunder or perkz for humanoid, which both would be very weird changes. Although perkz and Wunder have played together though
I'll say this, depending on how G2 does at MSI, they will either get 1st or 3rd in summer. 1st if they reach finals (regardless of if they win or loose), 3rd if they loose in semis.
MSI teams usually slump at the start of summer split. So technically if G2 wants the best chance for summer, they should bomb out of MSI early. But this is G2 so they will scrap their way to finals
In continuation from my comment in the previous video with Dylan if you look at 2020 the same thing happened there. The best two teams in EU during the summer split were Mad Lions and Rogue. Both teams choked playoffs and allowed Fnatic and G2 a free pass to the finals. Yet despite EU having 4 slots what happened at Worlds. Mad Lions got put out in the play ins. Rogue got demolised by DWG, JDG and even lost to PSG talon only picking up one solitary win. G2 was a smokescreen because they were able to fend off NA but you could see that even against the third placed Chinese team they struggled and succumbed to settling for second place with Suning easily winning the group. While Fnatic did reasonably well but then famously got reverse swept by TES with Sjokz making that ludicrous monologue before.
Honestly for Rogue I feel like against Fantic when they lost they lost fighting, and thats what kept them going. Against G2, oh boy G2 let me paint a picture: Imagine you are in the finals, you have a massive negative W-L ratio against your main scrim partner, who happens to be your opponent during the event. You are down 0 - 2 after which Comp said he hasn't played a game yet and Odo seconds that. Which implies to me that they couldn't even fight back. Larsen got first blooded twice, because Jankos is an absolute genius. Odo gets stomped by BB who isn't really getting all that much help on an Ornn. Malrang had been schooled by Jankos in the jungle. G2 had the counter picks in bot both games. There aren't many if any light bolbs called hope to cling on. Comp said after the 0 - 2 that he hadn't played a game yet and Odo seconds that. Which implies to me that there was nothing they could do. So yeah they were tilted beyond repair at that point. I feel (pure speculation) like Odo was kinda sad that it was B05 and not a B03 because he was ready to go after those 2 games. They mentally boomed but honestly I can't really fault them for that. They are human players not machines and that must have been one of the most mentally though finals to go through. If the first 2 games where a bit closer I do believe Rogue has the mental to come back.
VIT's problem is the lack of highs in the team (outside of the obvious synergy/comm issue, Alphari and Carzzy also doesnt match, Alphari lacks creativity, both have low ceiling to carry even though Alphari requires so much attention, his playstyle with his ass champ pool of GP/Gnar, he still plays like a weakside player but with more resources). VIT essentially relying on Perkz and Selfmade to hit their highs and carry. Neither Alphari and Carzzy are the kind of players who will 1v9 games. Even if Carzzy "wins a lane" vs G2, hes not the player who will win you the game thats why MAD made him a weakside adc (recognizing their ceiling was low playing around Carzzy in 2020 and shifted focus to MAD solo lanes 2021). FNC's problem is both sidelanes Wunder and Upset are quite passive (really weird from Upset but if you think back, he was the same with Ignar/Destiny he likes to wait for team fights and Upset chose Destiny himself from tryouts). Maybe Upset is restricted by Hylli's inability to play the buff/enchanters like a Nami/Karma like Trymbi? It does make it an obvious choice for other teams to just gank Humanoid if Upset is passive in lane. It is quite reminiscent of the G2 2021 where Caps has to carry so hard early game and becomes the main focus of ganks. Which is really puzzling to me, Upset/Hylli for sure can do better in lane to take pressure away from solo lanes. Wunder is Wunder, hes been worse in lane for years now, but hes valuable in team fights, still wouldnt trade him for PVE Alphari who would only take jungle attention away from Upset.
Thorin is wrong, fnatic fans do not have a problem with the roster but rather with the system behind fnatic. When the org doesn't win any trophies in 4 years no matter what the roster is, there is clearly a deeper problem.
As a G2 fan I can still understand why you think fnatic will win summer since they were such a good team in regular season and it seemed like they imploded but their team on paper still looks the best but the experience G2 can get in MSI might outweigh that as the botlane will probably improve there lvl after going against Guma keria and whatever lpl team so we might see a more dominant G2 in summer 🙏
I don't understand why people think Fnatic was so good in regular season. For me it was 5 great player, maybe top 2-3 in each role AT LEAST, but I felt like there was never any synergy within the team and the way they played. I really don't see them pop off during summer, especially after this disappointing end in playoff and how they just went mental boom and were not even playing the game at the end. So yeah of course I could be wrong but we'll see. And I also think G2 will benefit greatly from MSI because I don't think the G2 we saw are actually the final form of G2
@@maximetavant1935 Fnc seemed good as individual so ppl we all expecting them to get better when they got synergy so toward the last few weeks of regular season they started having cleaner games like when they beat G2 Rge,Vit all without a problem. But Yh they just probably fooled us with their individual skill and started to bite when teamwork mattered the most
Honestly I think FNC roster is overrated af, players just instantly be rated as the best in their role for no reasons when they join FNC Wunder - washed Razork - champion pool/ cant do shit without Vetheo Humanoid - cant do shit without Elyoya Upset - Downgraded Rekkles Hyli - int Similar shit could be said to VIT
@@jamestut5220 very true but Since the likes off G2 was getting a rookie botlane and Rge and Mad losing some of their best player it “Looked like they were best alongside Vit” which funny enough was far from the truth
I dont get it, Thorin is a clown at this point. I remember him being very harsh to Rekkles last year on G2 and even though his teammates kept inting Thorin never said "what can adc do if your team ints" but the narrative "yes his team ints but that doesnt stop him from stepping up, he just doesnt do anything" Now that Upset was in a situation where his team ints he hard deffends him by admiting adc cant do shit if your whole team crumbles. Yes, i agree that adc cant do shit if others play like apes and i have been saying this for years. Adc is not a 1v9 role nowadays. But i really feel that Thorin alters his statements depending on his personal feelings towards the certain person. For example he picks words when commenting on bad performance of his dear friend Perkz and lets be real, goat or not, that guy had some trash moments. But at the same time he would put in dirt someone he doesnt "like" for even less. Shout out for Dom, he has always been realistic and equally criticised/praised anyone that deserve it.
Upset was the best damn thing that couldve happen to Fnatic!!! He is one of the reasons Fnatic could still get good players in the offseason ! dont be fools its not like the Fnatic Brand is the one where all plyers want to go !
@@Jerryduque97 so what about humanoid dying on every single gank? Draft fault. BB solokilling the enemy toplaner with his ornn, lets blame the draft. Hylissang inting all over the map? Draft diff. Jankos turbo gapping malrang. No my friend draft diff. That doesn't have any merit right? but yeah lets blame the draft and not the players playing like a diamond soloq player Xd
Pretty sure Nukeduck was saying G2 were 1 of if not the best team before playoffs when he was on summoning insight
Having Coaches in a Podcast is just amazing content. I love to hear them talk
What bothered and disappointed me personally wasn't the fact that FNC lost but rather how lifeless and clueless they were looking while losing
They hit the wall. Losing every scrim ment they had bad practice and didnt progress, so when teams started playng beter on stage and focused them in draft they collapsed and codnt come back in a weak because they didnt know how to improve.
they "hit a snag" like Regi
Wunder tried widepeepoSad
Upset is just used to it xd
Wow what a unique and personal take
Joey and Nelson on XL just makes me want to root for them to win.
What made me like XL was the behind the scenes piece the LEC showed in their finals pre-show
Also Fosty and Mikyx
Illaoi will be meta.... FINN TOP DOMINANCE INCOMING. I swear... if he doesnt play Illaoi... something is wrong. Teamfights are always clusterfucks and if you just pick frontline they have to come into you where Illaoi shines. Pick hypers mid and adc with range, top/jg full tank bruisers with cc, enchanter supp. Free wins. G2, V5, T1 unsterstand this premise of draft superiority.
Banger episode XL this year is actually a pretty fun team to root for
Every time this podcast ends I think I broke my phone. Like the no outro thing works like a charm makes me check the video if everything is ok. Love it now
U listen on phone bro? Double monitor for the close ups of Dom and Thorin's faces only way to go
This episode was really huge ! I like the format very much. Enough open discussions with the guest and then some specific questions.
You guys feel more relaxed after clarifying the format as well !
Thanks for the show !
Only a few minutes in, but with what Youngbuck said here, and what Dylan said the other day, and with what we know about the drafting preferences of players like Broken Blade and caPs, there looks to be a cool narrative emerging about G2 being draft Gods. Not necessarily the stronger team on paper, but able to out-draft strategise their opponents. Pretty cool, I reckon
dylan was talking about an answer for ahri that they didnt even had to show and i have the feeling he was talking about picking yasuo
simply because u hard outpush ahri with it + u can use it as a flex pick because dylan said that bb is a very good yasuo player
@@DeJokker35 in yesterday's SI episode Dylan was talking about Veigar as the Ahri counter, but they didn't want to use it because Veigar was a bit too passive for what Caps and G2 wanted to do.
@@nuraby_9228 yes which implies that they had something else prepared, he also didnt want get to much into it and jumped onto the point with the veigar provided by dom
@@DeJokker35 mmm, I'll have to go rewatch that clip then. I might have missed something. 👍
if you have a larger champion pool then it is not a draft diff, but a skill diff. Something Thorin and Dom don't seem to get.
1:06:24 The problem with being cocky is that if you win, people still kinda/secretly hate you (e.g. Perkz), but if you lf you lose, people now gloat in their hate of you and blame you for everything like Upset
I think G2 surprised people by not completely sacking bot and allowing Targa to roam and flakked to carry. If they can continue this into summer, they’ll be up there still
In defense of finals being not good. Dom mentioned FNC vs G2 in 2019, but forgets that that was in summer and in spring G2 smashed every one and it wasnt very competitive, 2020 was the same where spring was worse than summer, 2021 was the opposite tho.
I have been off the loop for around 2 years, came back to this. Nice.
Im the biggest Rogue fan ever, but i 100% agree with Youngbuck here. I would like to see more of these explosive and creative counterpicks like the Sylas into the TF. Would love to see Larssen pop off on the Vex into Ahri or something like a Rek'sai into Lee Sin from Malrang like we see in the LPL and i would be so fucking happy of this team. I need more creativity and pocket picks. Similar to Flakked picking MF. We haven't seen MF at all this split basically, and then Flakked picks it up out of pretty much nowhere. This is the step that Rogue needs to take to become a big EU team
The weird thing is sylas has been a TF counterpick for quite a while now. Hell, we saw caps crush BDD on the pick during worlds a couple years ago when g2 played geng. Its just so weird that we aren't seeing teams make use of counterpicks in europe.
@@lanoa111 Yep, especially with Rogue they seem to prefer to plan a certain draft and then just not care at all what the enemy team picks. Obviously the narrative has been for a while that Rogue is a "One style team" which i disagree with. Rogue can play and prepares many different styles. The problem is not that they can't adapt mid series inbetween games, the problem is rather adapting in the middle of the draft i feel like.
@@jolfen1837 feel like what?
That last snippet by Dom is so good lmao
Not sure about that retcon take regarding G2’s scrims. Carlos discussed how the roster had been selected through testing against worlds teams and had been competitive with the east, then very early into the split mentioning finding “scrim form” and implying that they were winning a strong majority of their scrims.
Dom when someone says Caps is better than Humanoid: :o
but Dom is kinda fair, Caps didnt play that good for last what more than a year, especially not on top 5 mid in the world level for sure, but hes not afraid to criticize Huma and Perkz, even if he believes Huma is/was better in last year+. Thats why people like Dom or atleast i do, the guy is actually very sane, its never the extremes 1- mega shit always 2nd top player even if hes inting and that cannot change. Not afraid to criticize players he likes or even has friendly relationship with.
Caps plays 100 games of AD Ahri to prep his mechanics for AP Ahri in the finals. 5HEAD
just wait for his lb
Please post the Best Damn League Show. to spotify, Thorin and Dom! It's so nice for your other shows
Doms face when youngbuck says he would take caps above any other midlaner 😂
And another insider confirming g2 was indeed the best team in scrims only minutes in the video……
Funny how when rogue is rumored to be winning and serious in scrims it’s amazing but when it’s g2 it’s a false flag haha
And when FNC lose scrims , then scrims dont mater. And yea VIT...
They hate caps so much.
@@delontewest6353 understandable, dom is on the perkz "goat" hypetrain.
Thorin: "I don't hate Rekkles, I just block every person on Twitter that likes him"
I didnt watch thr video but i wanna comment on video
@@abdullapankhawala3814 I watched the entire thing but sure, go off
@@Cremlindor damn you musta hav som prtty bad listning skillz thn
@@abdullapankhawala3814 am I wrong tho?
@@Cremlindor yes
Fnatic looks like a team that absolutely hates each other. Take a look at Wunders second death in the first game of the G2 series it's around 26:10 on the VOD. Ahri walks up from mid to top and dives him while Humanoid is just walking around enjoying a guided tour of the river taking in the scenery. Then right after he dies a blue missing ping goes down on the mid lane. I get that they're a team and pings are probably used for advanced communication, but if i'm in Solo queue and i'm getting missing pings thrown down on my lane after a teammate gets roamed on and dove, there's usually only one thing that means, and it's not exactly a good sign for it to be happening in the first game of the series. Would also explain what YoungBuck said about Hylissang suffering from performance issues when there's a bad team atmosphere.
Brah what are you talking about, almost every pro you had on your show during the split said that G2 was under performing and voted them as a favorite to show up in play offs???
Can we just appreciate youngbuck spilling the tea, and sitting there like.. oh i'm not supposed to say this? xD
What did he spill, don’t think he said anything crazy
@@giannidavies3594 Saying they were 1-25 in scrims and that was an impetus to signing Mikyx.
As long as G2 exist in the league, no they won't
unless G2 chokes or Rogue exists in this form
@@obba40 unless it's worlds finals g2 won't choke
Do you think that Odo finally gets a title if he and Trymbi go to Vit between splits, or can you not take the TSM outta Bjergersen?
34:00 WRONG! Volibear ult is physical damage, check the wiki!
51:00 I totally agree with what Dom is saying here.
yeah its passive that is magic damage, point is its still a ton of magic damage
@@IWDominatelol Keep up the banger work dom. Happy easter buddy
Ornn is always disrespected when talked about in the Jayce vs Ornn match-up. It is not Jayce favored. In master+ globally (last patch, pre jayce nerfs) Ornn is winning 56.89% of games on a sample of 225 games.
Ornn also can build kill pressure with freezes and easy dives.
yea, also ls talked about the jayce ornn matchup as ornn favourite or at least not as good for the jayce as people might think; also he can tank poke during teamfight ad his ult is really strong vs immobile ad
It the east where the jayces are much better at the game it isn't favoured for the ornn in any metric its up to the maybe to play well which most pros in the West don't do consistently
i honestly kinda think that matchups which get countered with jayce are pure myths or to expand a little on that i dont think there is any player in the west who is proficient and dominant enough on jayce that you should pick it at all
whenever i see jayce in the west he is 100 % of the times not as usefull as enemy toplaner and god forbid he dies 1 time in lane then u almost have no toplaner att all
like i get the feeling its not worth at all to pick a jayce even if he gets like 40-50 cs lead because the other toplaner will be a orn or some other more usefull champ which will excel in tfs
Masters+ isnt the same as LEC final tho.Jayce is a champion that is as strong as the player behind it.Jayce poppy used to be the same way and Odo at s6 worlds won both matchups on quite a few games.He is historically one of the better EU Jayce players and at a series ending finals game he is expected to win vs Ornn hard even though Ornn has tools to fight back
Using soloq isn't the best because of how chaotic the games are. It's like saying Ryze vs X using soloq stats when Ryze is basically a sub 40% champ in soloq but has a lot of merit in pro play.
Honestly if there was a crowd for all regular season summer games G2 would be first no question.
I might be wrong but didn't Sam Matthews visit Fnatic before the rogue series, and then Fnatic falls off a cliff, coincidence, I think not
i get that most people would prefer going to 5 games, but 12-0 sounds like a great meme so i'm quite happy. reminds me of the other times when g2 wasn't playing the best and then just smashed. like kogmaw lulu, i guess? the strat is good, i hope they keep it up and improve.
That's what they said tho
Jankos deserve all the love he gets here, damn he is special!!
Also even though they bring it up for trymbi, I’m confused how they don’t understand the Upset flame. It’s just like young Perkz. Cocky attitude without the results. Nobody’s saying he’s a bad player, but you can’t act like that with no results: MVPs, titles, performing internationally. If he starts to get the accolades people will forget that like they did for Perkz
People didn't forget tho
Ehh, at least half the flame Upsets gets is thanks to Adam and the cringer french fans.
Also about the vague rumours, if vitality and Fnatic are trading players I can only see alphari for Wunder or perkz for humanoid, which both would be very weird changes. Although perkz and Wunder have played together though
The ultimate heist, Labrov for Hyli. kekw
@@youtubesucksbutts that would be the ultimate steal in eu lol at least if not all time lol XD
What about a Selfmade for Razork swap? 👀
Both mid / jgl are completely doomed atm, might as well flip it xd
Can Perkz go to FNC now?
@@jamestut5220 technically he can if they swap mids or FNC buys him out. Doubt itll happen though
Thorin defending Upset, while some years ago, he criticized Rekkles when he was in FNC, about those same things, it s just fkg hilarious!!
Do you have the same opinions now as you did a few years ago? 💀
@@whosemanisthis6246 In this case, yes ofc. I just find it so amusing honestly
I am also curious about how G2 would look like if it was adc meta. If it is not Caps’ meta, can they still win?
great episode, really laughed my ass off at times!
Caps literally said "were probably gonna win the split" on pgl :P
Trymbi can be sooooo fkn good, he just has to get over the last hurdle. I hope he manages it next split
thorins new mic
great content!
34:00 Volibears ultimate is physical dmg, not magic dmg.
It is magical damage
@@tarikbada6968 No, go check
@@Eidsheimen indeed u are right mb
Great episode!
However, hate to be the one but you can't call it "Best Damn League Show Period" and not have a . at the end of Best Damn League Show.
53:18 jojo&impact are top tier laners what
46:10 dam ::D
I'll say this, depending on how G2 does at MSI, they will either get 1st or 3rd in summer. 1st if they reach finals (regardless of if they win or loose), 3rd if they loose in semis.
like mad getting semis an win again ? like your comment have no sense evaluating the situation xd
MSI teams usually slump at the start of summer split. So technically if G2 wants the best chance for summer, they should bomb out of MSI early. But this is G2 so they will scrap their way to finals
best LOL show by a mile!
Volibear ult does physical damage btw
13:14
Can we do the what ???
Can we do the what??? 13:13
Edit: 15:57 okay that’s better
In continuation from my comment in the previous video with Dylan if you look at 2020 the same thing happened there. The best two teams in EU during the summer split were Mad Lions and Rogue. Both teams choked playoffs and allowed Fnatic and G2 a free pass to the finals. Yet despite EU having 4 slots what happened at Worlds.
Mad Lions got put out in the play ins.
Rogue got demolised by DWG, JDG and even lost to PSG talon only picking up one solitary win.
G2 was a smokescreen because they were able to fend off NA but you could see that even against the third placed Chinese team they struggled and succumbed to settling for second place with Suning easily winning the group.
While Fnatic did reasonably well but then famously got reverse swept by TES with Sjokz making that ludicrous monologue before.
I think fnc researched rge and rge researched fnatic thinking of free G2 games and then G2 happened 😂😂
Honestly for Rogue I feel like against Fantic when they lost they lost fighting, and thats what kept them going. Against G2, oh boy G2 let me paint a picture:
Imagine you are in the finals, you have a massive negative W-L ratio against your main scrim partner, who happens to be your opponent during the event. You are down 0 - 2 after which Comp said he hasn't played a game yet and Odo seconds that. Which implies to me that they couldn't even fight back. Larsen got first blooded twice, because Jankos is an absolute genius. Odo gets stomped by BB who isn't really getting all that much help on an Ornn. Malrang had been schooled by Jankos in the jungle. G2 had the counter picks in bot both games. There aren't many if any light bolbs called hope to cling on.
Comp said after the 0 - 2 that he hadn't played a game yet and Odo seconds that. Which implies to me that there was nothing they could do. So yeah they were tilted beyond repair at that point.
I feel (pure speculation) like Odo was kinda sad that it was B05 and not a B03 because he was ready to go after those 2 games. They mentally boomed but honestly I can't really fault them for that. They are human players not machines and that must have been one of the most mentally though finals to go through.
If the first 2 games where a bit closer I do believe Rogue has the mental to come back.
NISQY XL??
Rumoured. Nisqy or Vetheo are rumoured for XL
orn blind in solo que means darius will be 5 0 in lane
Youngbuck kinda looks like murr from impractical jokers
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1:16:23 This is so wild
VIT's problem is the lack of highs in the team (outside of the obvious synergy/comm issue, Alphari and Carzzy also doesnt match, Alphari lacks creativity, both have low ceiling to carry even though Alphari requires so much attention, his playstyle with his ass champ pool of GP/Gnar, he still plays like a weakside player but with more resources). VIT essentially relying on Perkz and Selfmade to hit their highs and carry. Neither Alphari and Carzzy are the kind of players who will 1v9 games. Even if Carzzy "wins a lane" vs G2, hes not the player who will win you the game thats why MAD made him a weakside adc (recognizing their ceiling was low playing around Carzzy in 2020 and shifted focus to MAD solo lanes 2021). FNC's problem is both sidelanes Wunder and Upset are quite passive (really weird from Upset but if you think back, he was the same with Ignar/Destiny he likes to wait for team fights and Upset chose Destiny himself from tryouts). Maybe Upset is restricted by Hylli's inability to play the buff/enchanters like a Nami/Karma like Trymbi? It does make it an obvious choice for other teams to just gank Humanoid if Upset is passive in lane. It is quite reminiscent of the G2 2021 where Caps has to carry so hard early game and becomes the main focus of ganks. Which is really puzzling to me, Upset/Hylli for sure can do better in lane to take pressure away from solo lanes. Wunder is Wunder, hes been worse in lane for years now, but hes valuable in team fights, still wouldnt trade him for PVE Alphari who would only take jungle attention away from Upset.
The Upset+IgNar and Hans+GorillA season was always so fucking weird to me when the obvious thing stylistically was Upset+GorillA and Hans+IgNar 2.0
Anyone feel like if vitality just picked up treatz they could be good. Maybe I'm just a treatz simp but I think he could work well with selfmade.
Promisq Advienne are available too
get ocelote on!!
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No fnc will not win summer. That was easy
Thorin is wrong, fnatic fans do not have a problem with the roster but rather with the system behind fnatic. When the org doesn't win any trophies in 4 years no matter what the roster is, there is clearly a deeper problem.
Well this is the first time since 2018 they had a roster capable of winning an actual title lol
@@bobjoe2627 u say this every year lol
1:06:21 hope all the toxic haters see this shit
As a G2 fan I can still understand why you think fnatic will win summer since they were such a good team in regular season and it seemed like they imploded but their team on paper still looks the best but the experience G2 can get in MSI might outweigh that as the botlane will probably improve there lvl after going against Guma keria and whatever lpl team so we might see a more dominant G2 in summer 🙏
I don't understand why people think Fnatic was so good in regular season. For me it was 5 great player, maybe top 2-3 in each role AT LEAST, but I felt like there was never any synergy within the team and the way they played. I really don't see them pop off during summer, especially after this disappointing end in playoff and how they just went mental boom and were not even playing the game at the end. So yeah of course I could be wrong but we'll see. And I also think G2 will benefit greatly from MSI because I don't think the G2 we saw are actually the final form of G2
@@maximetavant1935 Fnc seemed good as individual so ppl we all expecting them to get better when they got synergy so toward the last few weeks of regular season they started having cleaner games like when they beat G2 Rge,Vit all without a problem. But Yh they just probably fooled us with their individual skill and started to bite when teamwork mattered the most
Honestly I think FNC roster is overrated af, players just instantly be rated as the best in their role for no reasons when they join FNC
Wunder - washed
Razork - champion pool/ cant do shit without Vetheo
Humanoid - cant do shit without Elyoya
Upset - Downgraded Rekkles
Hyli - int
Similar shit could be said to VIT
@@jamestut5220 very true but Since the likes off G2 was getting a rookie botlane and Rge and Mad losing some of their best player it “Looked like they were best alongside Vit” which funny enough was far from the truth
@@jamestut5220 basically the teams in Eu looked weaker so they somehow looked like the best
iwdRun
G2s ADC Targamas is a smurf
Volibear r is physical damage, dom is clueless
It's passive that is magic which is even more magic damage than the volibear ulti. Which strengthens my point.
@@IWDominatelol yea passive and e is magic dam, why u saying ulti aswell then?
Is this show dead or what
#bringbackcrackdown
The show will return when LEC starts up again
Loved the show even tho Dom is talking to much sometimes ^^
I dont get it, Thorin is a clown at this point. I remember him being very harsh to Rekkles last year on G2 and even though his teammates kept inting Thorin never said "what can adc do if your team ints" but the narrative "yes his team ints but that doesnt stop him from stepping up, he just doesnt do anything"
Now that Upset was in a situation where his team ints he hard deffends him by admiting adc cant do shit if your whole team crumbles.
Yes, i agree that adc cant do shit if others play like apes and i have been saying this for years. Adc is not a 1v9 role nowadays. But i really feel that Thorin alters his statements depending on his personal feelings towards the certain person. For example he picks words when commenting on bad performance of his dear friend Perkz and lets be real, goat or not, that guy had some trash moments. But at the same time he would put in dirt someone he doesnt "like" for even less.
Shout out for Dom, he has always been realistic and equally criticised/praised anyone that deserve it.
Upset was the best damn thing that couldve happen to Fnatic!!! He is one of the reasons Fnatic could still get good players in the offseason ! dont be fools its not like the Fnatic Brand is the one where all plyers want to go !
I hope you are being sarcastic using Yamato loser's words...
No they won't. Nice. Next question.
Bench simpset and maybe they Will stand a chance
Bean >> downset
@@jamestut5220 who do we replace the 9 worse lec adcs with then? 9 kr imports i assume
@@medexhd9646 Not about skill, this guy just flames your team and replace you when they lose. Worst kind of a teammate
@@jamestut5220 the funny thing is that this rumor of him trying to replace Adam is not even true
fnc wont even make worlds let alone win the split
this has been the worse playoffs, at least in terms of drafts and prep, in the LEC since maybe 2018/2019 imo
Except for G2, who drafted better than they ever have.
@@Name-yo6lf nah their G2 draft is on par with their 2019/20 drafts. FNC and rge drafts were fucking atrocious
@@Jerryduque97 they all had good drafts their players just suck
@@davidpg6525 letting ahri all those games and the prio on nerfed tf is terrible drafting and prep. Same with the leavig ornn open or not picking it
@@Jerryduque97 so what about humanoid dying on every single gank? Draft fault. BB solokilling the enemy toplaner with his ornn, lets blame the draft. Hylissang inting all over the map? Draft diff. Jankos turbo gapping malrang. No my friend draft diff. That doesn't have any merit right? but yeah lets blame the draft and not the players playing like a diamond soloq player Xd
He talks so fast oof
DOM 🤡did u think BLG superteam can win LPL summer split ? Answer my question plz 🤡.
You can just go back to his lpl team ranking vid and see what he thought of BLG at the start of the split.