Relating to the sponsors and stuff they were talking about at the beginning, this is the transition into esports actually being accepted by the world. Any major sports team has a million things to do with jersey, stadium, hell even beverage sponsors. Events like photoshoots, live streams, done independently from your normal schedule. Along with other stuff outside of what you would normally be expected to do as a player. Now, as they said, more money is being injected into it and players are starting to realize they have requirements to fill outside of just scrims/playing the game. Most teams every now and then would do some sort of sponsorship, youtube video etc. But with additional sponsorships/more money the end product has to equal that. This will only grow over time as esports become more widely accepted. Considering esports teams have the smallest rosters of any team sport, this generally means most if not all of the team will participate in sponsorship events/responsibilities. You can argue that this will hinder their performance, which very well be true. Successful teams will walk this line to boost revenue while still having players that aren't burned out.
100 percent tru. I know players don't like it, and don't wanna do it, but this is legit the price that is paid to improve the image and branding of this sport all together. As the brand gets bigger so will the requirements to participate.
They need to focus on branding the teams better than the players if they want to take the load off of the players. Having some unique aspects to your team as a brand is what will make players not feel that drag from sponsorship stuff. Take the 100T stuff, they don't need the players to do promotional stuff when 100T is a bigger brand than any of their players when considering for a broad market(not counting stuff like closer being super popular for the Turkish audience). So 100T can get their influencers together to promote the absolute shit out of anything they get sponsored for and hit any quotas necessary. Compare that to Dignitas. What the fuck is Dignitas. I only know anything about them because I was a Scarra, QT and Dom fan.
NA players burning out? LOL after 2019 when they switched their scrims to a single block of BO5 I doubt it. If anything, they seem to have an ample amount of free time.
@mcchickenz Only a few teams are hence the complaint about champions queue and how players are doing alternative ways to practice like fudge practicing 1v1s and still getting dumpster in lane.
Then the players need to choose the money or the convenience of only playing the game. They want big 6 figure salaries from teams that, on average, don’t profit from esports. Where are they expecting that money to come from? Can’t have it both ways.
Not really? The way it happened is just unlucky for Jensen more than fucked up by TL. And I think DL is wrong about Steve not replacing Jensen if not for the role swap talks, and rightfully so. Skillwise Bjerg is a slight upgrade if not a sidegrade to Jensen, but I still think he brings more value to the team in terms of leadership, game knowledge etc. There is also the fact that Jensen is a volitile player that can be hard to work with (doesn't seem like there was ever any significant issues with that on TL tho) But the real kicker is the timing. TSM's reputation was in free fall, so there would probably never be a better chance to take Bjerg away from TSM
@@Jack-fh1qh whole heartedly agree. These are the guys who have stories we haven't heard about because their brands are not as big. For sure some great content hidden there.
i honestly used to hate jensen but after watching him in a few different things , he's actually growing on me. stream more man! and i hope to see you in LCS next split, teams are crazy if they dont pick up Jensen.
I don't think it was so much about his buyout, i think it was his buyout combined with the timing of his announcement that he was available. By the time Team Liquid has finalized contracts with Bjerg and Hans Sama, most of the other LCS teams had finalized their rosters already and no team was going to buy out his contract and sign him after already having their starting mid laner's contracts finalized. Really just an unfortunate circumstance all around, I don't think anyone is really to blame or there was any malicious intent to leave Jensen without a team. It is just a business after all
i miss you jensen. doublelift as well. doublelift is why i started watching pro league in 2018 and jensen is one of my favorite players. always a treat watching jensen on TL
Every time I look at the screen, my eyes immediately aim towards Jensen's bed like it looks like he just killed someone before Trash Talk and decided to wrap the body with his blanket for now lmao maybe that's why he said he just "woke up" 10 minutes ago
I'm not sure whether Jensen's response to the Alphari debacle was sincere or calculated, but either way his response of "I don't want to say anything bad, I like the guy, he was a good teammate" is the optimal response to make Alphari look like a massive asshole.
Hey DL, love the podcast! If possible it’d be great if these were uploaded to like Spotify or some podcast service, so I can download them and listen to in the car or smth.
i like when the guests have something in common like sneaky/metoes or bb/jankos cuz sometimes it feels like one of the guests is just sitting awkwardly like caedral/LS episode
its honestly so frustrating that eu teams wont sell players to other eu teams its completely fucks over so many players, rogue being a prime example of it.
It should be against the rules. It's complete BS. If you are replacing the player, and another team is offering a fair buyout. If no other teams are meeting or exceeding that offer. They should have to allow you to go to that team. Just like the fact Perks couldn't go to Fnatic. It's bullshit and Riot needs to not allow it. It's favoring the Orgs > what's actually best for the players who make the Orgs.
There is absolutely no upside for a team to do it. Why would you ever, ever, ever as a competitor potentially make your competition better? What needs to happen is players need to wake up and pay attention to their contracts. They need to put poison pills in them which say if they lose their starting position, the team has to either pay them an exorbitant amount of money or cancel their contract or trade them. THAT is the real solution.
Man Jensen at 50:30 just sadge. Guy didn't mean anything by it; he just made an offhand anecdote. Woulda been nice if Alphari had been more charitable and just messaged Jensen
Great work and improvement on the pod. Doublelift gotta realize we all watch because we love his personality and we don’t care if his production ever feels stuffed. (Which it’s not)
i wish that they were asked about sneakys impact on the culture and if there was anything he specifically added to the team that helped with international success etc
Idk why people think Bjergsen is playing much worse than before. My man is not carrying every game sure but that's not his role in this TL roster. He gets other people ahead while also not losing lane in 95% of the games. Can't wait for summer as well where I feel TL is gonna show up big time ( even if they win spring they have a lot more potential ).
I want to agree with you i swear but ... i still have THAT CORKI game on my head (which is THE CARRY IN THIS GAME). My lord that was the worst pro Corki ive ever seen but i guess it was just a bad day.
@@DelgaDude well put aside the build, he was cs machine which is very easy with corki but these PACKAGE broo actually crazy he would package to gap close then arrive in front line enemies and well do 0 dmg because of his build and get one shot
While I do enjoy the podcast, it could be a lot better. The beginnings always feel awkward. I think that Double should introduce each guest for longer. After all, there will be some who won't know who either Nisqy is or Jensen is very well. Then transition to a question asked to the person introduced, etc. However, the main issues I have with the podcast is that it doesn't always feel like a conversation. It feels like a series of loosely connected topics guided by questions rather than a natural conversation, As a result, I never feel that the conversation gets very in depth. I may be wrong, but I think that Doublelift may be too focused on getting to the next topic and could spend more time asking questions about guests' answers and trying to get deep in the topic.
if you are seeing a dl podcast means that you are old school Lcs fan. Jensen and nsk were the midlaners of the best 2 orgs in LCS, its not that he is talking to random jg from golden guardians s8.
Idt he’s focused on getting to the next topic, think he moves on when he feels the previous convo comes to a stall and he may struggle on carrying that convo forward. He said this after his last podcast and acknowledged he’s awkward and has much to improve.
Not really, you can obviously have guests who are better conversationalists than others. Regardless, it’s always the hosts job to carry on and continue the conversation. Can’t really be too harsh since I believe it’s the first time DL has ever tried to be a host, but he’s got things to work on for sure
Hard to blame the system when the coach that made this team, coaching staff and what not is kicked for not leaning into the system. No one to look up to like LS in the team. sadge
Fighting games are one of the most mechanically intense games around, and several of the top players are in their late 30s or early 40s now like Sako, Daigo, Tokido, etc. League should be no problem to play at 40+ as long as you stay up to date on the meta.
Honestly the main reason I would want to get good at leauge is because the money. If you treat leauge like a career, you can make so much. Even if you dont go pro its pretty nutty.
How fucking much do i like this podcast. I watch them all Euphoria/BestDamnLeagueShow/TheJungle/Facecheck .... but this one .... just watching the 1vs2 proportion of guests/hosts and you being an explayer who can relate and do different questions to them.... makes it so much more enjoyable! Keep up the good work DL ! (EU FAN)
I’ve gotta say, mandatory workouts will 1000% have a positive effect of performance. Being unhealthy will straight up make you perform worse. it’s good for your health, both physically and mentally. It builds a foundation of responsibility and honestly should remain a part of Esports.
It should be a mandatory log time of 2 hours per week for exercise. Not mandated 1 hour every morning every day. That can be draining and result in mental fatigue. The players should just be told "log 2 hours of exercise minimum per week" and thats it. They can divy up those 2 hours however they want, as long as it gets done.
@@Kaidyn04 sure, but that’s irrelevant to the fact that it does have a positive impact on the players and should likely be something that’s part of their day. I’ve personally ping ponged with my health and anecdotally I can say that I perform better in all aspects of life when my health is in check.
Doing workouts has good effects, but the intensity and frequency should be subject to adjustment - like if anything there are tradeoffs and a sweetspot they should try to figure out. An issue I can see is if player comfort is not taken into consideration and adjustments are not made because the "System" takes priority - both the player and team have to be willing to make compromises. Nothing feels as bad as being an employee of a company that doesn't listen at all.
You play League as a job. Workouts are not related at all. It can be highly encouraged or have 1 team workout a week or such...but mandatory defeats the purpose of having workouts personalized to you (Time, type, intensity, frequency, length, etc.)
@doublelift I thought about the two mid jg thing with C9 and it was more so that Jensen and Blabber are volatile in nature and can easily destroy or be a bit reckless and make some mistakes from over aggression and into certain teams they expected it / knew how to play around it but with Sven golden glue you get hella stability and two rocks that can’t be shut down but will still punish or play correctly and ensure that there is more control for everyone on the team Bc they can be crazy play makers who didn’t lose lane and were impossible to topple at least that’s how I see it
Hi Doublelift, I had a bug where I played a ranked game but received zero lp after the game. When I was in the after lobby it said my lp was processing and it wasn’t loading and I thought ok I’ll just leave the client get my lp but weirdly after playing another rank game I gotten lp however my lp gain from last game hasn’t gone through. I tried to report the bug to riot what happened but I don’t know what to do or if they can contact me about the situation and fix me gaining lp. What should I do?
When you have no routine it's easy to fall into a endless cycle of doing nothing and letting life fly by without you and just wither away. Most of us have been doing it ever since covid19 or us that are depressed or suffer bad anxiety.
1:26:00 Palafox actually thought he understood Zoe matchups better than Nisquick 💀. If Nisqy ever got a worlds skin i feel like it would be a toss up between Zoe and Cassiopeia.
I find it so interesting that eSports are trying to inculcate how other sports function. In football, it's understandable why there's mandatory work out and diets since you use your physical body a lot. But surprisingly, the English premiere league teams didn't have those type of routines until the late 20th century ( I think, just want I know about Arsenal's history). This is one of the of more drier podcast episodes, but the topics are captivating af.
A big problem with LCS as well is none of the players really stream that often/not super entertaining to watch. It's still doublelift/sneaky/T1 that are like the staple NA league streams and it feels like they aren't promoting the game as much anymore in NA. Also the fact that LA has to play on minimum 60+ ping in the REGION YOU HAVE YOUR PRO PLAYERS IN LIKE WTF
In an ideal world, Jensen signs a contract for summer split because I see the 100T roster blowing up (cept Ssum and Closer) after worlds. No disrespect to Abbe, but Jensen added to that top side map would be insane. Wishful thinking!
Workouts and exercise are good but for gamers idk if high intensity half an hour or a full hour everyday idk if that’s the best obv there’s gonna be breaks for game and traveling
C9 Went thru extremes it seems, cause the time right before the benching it seemed like c9 was the meme team with a very laid back approach and sneaky/jensen ran the show. Then as a sign of power jack went to a extreme and implemented the system.
Players complaining about how teams run things, but they still aren’t utilizing their players Union to force these teams to collectively bargain to their demands.
for sneaky to come back he would have to put streaming and stuff back burnered and need a top team. i think if a team agreed that if he made league primary again giving him adc on a top team for the next split he could. but honestly it seems like he has settled well intro streaming from the view of a viewer. Same thing goes for other pros from the past 2-3 years who still hover around league without a team. tbh i think if there were a team or two in an amature league that was allowed to stream their own games comprised of all semi retired pros like sneaky, dl, meteos, nisqy, jensen, zven etc and they just took games half seriously that would be hype. allows for regular streaming and whatever outside of an org, provides experienced opponents for people trying to make it to scouting/academy. could be some amazing weekly content.
Love the podcast, but you should close the league client for these. I kept thinking I was getting messages and stuff on my client, but it was closed lmao.
If a team was made up of only Turkish players with BrokenBlade, Closer, Nisqy, Luger, and some Turkish support they would actually be like top 3 in LCS or LEC.
i feel like blabber eventually falls in to that trap you have when you stomped a game before and then you continue to play like an aggressive asshole like your still fed as shit but then get punished. it feels like he goes like 4-8ish games stomping easilly gets used to it keeps playing like that gets punished and has to readjust and while hes kind of getting back in form over a couple games his team omega mental booms.
There is no way the median is 400k in NA. There are 50 players in NA, if even 1/4 of them were on 400k plus the Riot salary that would be outragous money. Plus these teams have dozens of staff/coaches and academy players. Also a couple workouts a week is defo positive but 1 hr, 5 days a week is gym rat stuff.
1 hr 5 days a week is not gym rat stuff. It’s a few exercises every day. Also, there are players on million dollar contracts that bring the average up. And there’s a minimum salary the LCS offers so the base pay is already close to 100k
@@eFrog27 the people with big salaries do bring up the average, but he referenced median. that means 50% of people get paid more and 50% get paid less.
@@whiteforest62 DL cannot transition to questions well at all😭. There's a pause or a "that's true that's true" into a read off of notepad. Love him, as you said he'll improve
Ok DL Jensen Nisqy just here me out WHAT IF Jensen goes top and you grab Spica once TSM messes up and he’s dropped for Bo. YOU ALL walk into GGS and say we’ll start for whatever your paying your team now but only if you play all of us+biofrost. On the real, there is a GOOD chance they won’t say no.
The only chance NA ever had at winning worlds was season 1 and the only chance at winning MSI was when doublelift lost in finals. NA needs to stop filling teams with burnt out imports and focus on young american challenger players and training them into gods for when they turn 17 18 and then are ready to crush the world.
The most important lesson from my Secondary school GEOGRAPHY teacher is not her content. She worked hard for the materials & didn't wanna share. Not to take in by 50 cent or a kiss if any attractive ask for the materials OK Noted ✅ I can't rmb any content already
Question on contracts and buyouts: Do these players still get payed after being replaced ON contract? It seems so one-sided for these buyouts to keep them off teams. I think these players wouldn't complain if they were still getting paid like they should be
A buyout is a buyout because you're buying them out of the contract. You pay that to get out of the contract legally without being sued. So the org doesn't have to pay the full salary but pay an already agreed-upon percentage of the salary. That way the org saves some money and the player is free to pursue contracts with other teams. Buyouts are in most sports contracts. They usually protect teams more than players but players benefit from them quite often too.
Jensen, as a NA fan.. I'm sure im not alone when I say we miss you and would love to have you back in mid or adc ! -Coming from 100T fan
jensen was the reason i start watching lol
@@scottytreeman7022 I enjoy watching Jensen also, even though I was rooting for 100T at the time and still now! He seems quirky, and fun to be around
Relating to the sponsors and stuff they were talking about at the beginning, this is the transition into esports actually being accepted by the world. Any major sports team has a million things to do with jersey, stadium, hell even beverage sponsors. Events like photoshoots, live streams, done independently from your normal schedule. Along with other stuff outside of what you would normally be expected to do as a player. Now, as they said, more money is being injected into it and players are starting to realize they have requirements to fill outside of just scrims/playing the game. Most teams every now and then would do some sort of sponsorship, youtube video etc. But with additional sponsorships/more money the end product has to equal that. This will only grow over time as esports become more widely accepted. Considering esports teams have the smallest rosters of any team sport, this generally means most if not all of the team will participate in sponsorship events/responsibilities. You can argue that this will hinder their performance, which very well be true. Successful teams will walk this line to boost revenue while still having players that aren't burned out.
100 percent tru. I know players don't like it, and don't wanna do it, but this is legit the price that is paid to improve the image and branding of this sport all together. As the brand gets bigger so will the requirements to participate.
They need to focus on branding the teams better than the players if they want to take the load off of the players. Having some unique aspects to your team as a brand is what will make players not feel that drag from sponsorship stuff. Take the 100T stuff, they don't need the players to do promotional stuff when 100T is a bigger brand than any of their players when considering for a broad market(not counting stuff like closer being super popular for the Turkish audience). So 100T can get their influencers together to promote the absolute shit out of anything they get sponsored for and hit any quotas necessary. Compare that to Dignitas. What the fuck is Dignitas. I only know anything about them because I was a Scarra, QT and Dom fan.
NA players burning out? LOL after 2019 when they switched their scrims to a single block of BO5 I doubt it. If anything, they seem to have an ample amount of free time.
@mcchickenz Only a few teams are hence the complaint about champions queue and how players are doing alternative ways to practice like fudge practicing 1v1s and still getting dumpster in lane.
Then the players need to choose the money or the convenience of only playing the game. They want big 6 figure salaries from teams that, on average, don’t profit from esports. Where are they expecting that money to come from? Can’t have it both ways.
The fcking Bjergsen and Jensen situation is so fcked up man.
I love TL but damn that was such a low blow lmaooo
Not really? The way it happened is just unlucky for Jensen more than fucked up by TL.
And I think DL is wrong about Steve not replacing Jensen if not for the role swap talks, and rightfully so.
Skillwise Bjerg is a slight upgrade if not a sidegrade to Jensen, but I still think he brings more value to the team in terms of leadership, game knowledge etc.
There is also the fact that Jensen is a volitile player that can be hard to work with (doesn't seem like there was ever any significant issues with that on TL tho)
But the real kicker is the timing. TSM's reputation was in free fall, so there would probably never be a better chance to take Bjerg away from TSM
Doublelift, please do the next Trash Talk with Apollo and Hakuho. We need closure.
this would be great to talk about old lcs stories that nobody has heard before from the scuffed years
@@Jack-fh1qh whole heartedly agree. These are the guys who have stories we haven't heard about because their brands are not as big. For sure some great content hidden there.
Ooof what about cody sun and his insec team play
@Vladimir Zlate If you're making 50-70k a year and are struggling with eating meals I'm seriously questioning your financial decisions...
@@andrewkandasamy LA kinda expensive though...
What happened to Jensen is so sad, wtf dude. Hope he gets what he deserves.
He's on c9 again, i love it!
JENSEN COMING OUT MORE GLAD TO SEE IT WISH TO SEE HIM MORE!!! 😔😭
Love how nisqy is so humble, even though Doublelift is trying to make him trash talk other lec mid laners.
Even he may go to MAD, he is officially looking for job right now. No reason for him to say something stupid.
Well the podcast is called Trash Talk, so can't fault DL too much for trying. But I do respect Nisqy for keeping it chill
i love seeing jensen around😭😭 my absolute favorite player ever cant wait for his cb in summer 🖤
i honestly used to hate jensen but after watching him in a few different things , he's actually growing on me. stream more man! and i hope to see you in LCS next split, teams are crazy if they dont pick up Jensen.
Isn't he too expensive?
I don't think it was so much about his buyout, i think it was his buyout combined with the timing of his announcement that he was available. By the time Team Liquid has finalized contracts with Bjerg and Hans Sama, most of the other LCS teams had finalized their rosters already and no team was going to buy out his contract and sign him after already having their starting mid laner's contracts finalized. Really just an unfortunate circumstance all around, I don't think anyone is really to blame or there was any malicious intent to leave Jensen without a team. It is just a business after all
@@iTzNexXuS probably a lot of truth in this. Hope he gets on a team
@@javi4591 median salary is like 400k he is def one of the better paid mids
He’s grown a lot as a person, he’s a lot more mature now and it shows in his interviews
DL: “who will take the risk on me”
Nisqy: “no one”
LOL
i miss you jensen. doublelift as well. doublelift is why i started watching pro league in 2018 and jensen is one of my favorite players. always a treat watching jensen on TL
Banger guest considering the news about Nisqy’s new team
@@Kinwika MAD lions
@@eriksavage2746 he's goin to MAD?
@@silentstorm5439 It's in the title of this video
@@Casper76 I'm what we call illiterate
Every time I look at the screen, my eyes immediately aim towards Jensen's bed like it looks like he just killed someone before Trash Talk and decided to wrap the body with his blanket for now lmao maybe that's why he said he just "woke up" 10 minutes ago
I'm not sure whether Jensen's response to the Alphari debacle was sincere or calculated, but either way his response of "I don't want to say anything bad, I like the guy, he was a good teammate" is the optimal response to make Alphari look like a massive asshole.
Love those trash talk !! Please dont stop and you have really super interesting guest. GL for the future
Jensen is actually so funny, glad to discover this side of him
Hey DL, love the podcast! If possible it’d be great if these were uploaded to like Spotify or some podcast service, so I can download them and listen to in the car or smth.
It’s funny seeing this video now after Nisqy won MVP in LEC and Jensen made worlds for the 8th time in a row.
This podcast is getting way better. Lots of new info on the scene that I wouldn’t have had otherwise. Really appreciate it Mr. Lift
i like when the guests have something in common like sneaky/metoes or bb/jankos cuz sometimes it feels like one of the guests is just sitting awkwardly like caedral/LS episode
its honestly so frustrating that eu teams wont sell players to other eu teams its completely fucks over so many players, rogue being a prime example of it.
It should be against the rules. It's complete BS. If you are replacing the player, and another team is offering a fair buyout. If no other teams are meeting or exceeding that offer. They should have to allow you to go to that team. Just like the fact Perks couldn't go to Fnatic. It's bullshit and Riot needs to not allow it. It's favoring the Orgs > what's actually best for the players who make the Orgs.
Rogue? Oh yes because G2 have been amazing at it as well…
There is absolutely no upside for a team to do it. Why would you ever, ever, ever as a competitor potentially make your competition better?
What needs to happen is players need to wake up and pay attention to their contracts. They need to put poison pills in them which say if they lose their starting position, the team has to either pay them an exorbitant amount of money or cancel their contract or trade them. THAT is the real solution.
Conspiracy theory - these episodes are DL just interviewing players and coaches for his NA super team.
Or I can dream that is the case. :)
Jg meteos ad sneaky supp dlift mid Jensen coach LS?
@@emceemikey the powerhouse Team Terminated where all the members have to have been fired off of a team in order to join.
i would love to see jensen and doublelift on an eu team together tbh
Loves the podcast and long form stuff . Ill watch the whole thing. Good stuff DL
Man Jensen at 50:30 just sadge. Guy didn't mean anything by it; he just made an offhand anecdote. Woulda been nice if Alphari had been more charitable and just messaged Jensen
I mean. His super team is super shit, so he's probably tilted and ready to explode on twitter already
If I was alphari, I would have tweet : learning gwen and linked my stream
Actually such a good way to deal with it, especially considering Jensen's non hostile intentions
Doublelift should get some old school ADC’s to come on here. Wildturtle & Rekkles to name some.
Great work and improvement on the pod. Doublelift gotta realize we all watch because we love his personality and we don’t care if his production ever feels stuffed. (Which it’s not)
i wish that they were asked about sneakys impact on the culture and if there was anything he specifically added to the team that helped with international success etc
Idk why people think Bjergsen is playing much worse than before. My man is not carrying every game sure but that's not his role in this TL roster. He gets other people ahead while also not losing lane in 95% of the games. Can't wait for summer as well where I feel TL is gonna show up big time ( even if they win spring they have a lot more potential ).
I want to agree with you i swear but ... i still have THAT CORKI game on my head (which is THE CARRY IN THIS GAME). My lord that was the worst pro Corki ive ever seen but i guess it was just a bad day.
@@shunshinnoshisui9530I don't think he really played corki bad there as much as his build was soooo atrocious
@@DelgaDude well put aside the build, he was cs machine which is very easy with corki but these PACKAGE broo actually crazy he would package to gap close then arrive in front line enemies and well do 0 dmg because of his build and get one shot
@@DelgaDude Like his package was his biggest source of dmg at this point and he would use it like a flash in
I agree. He has been improving the whole split but people act like he’s garbage
While I do enjoy the podcast, it could be a lot better. The beginnings always feel awkward. I think that Double should introduce each guest for longer. After all, there will be some who won't know who either Nisqy is or Jensen is very well. Then transition to a question asked to the person introduced, etc.
However, the main issues I have with the podcast is that it doesn't always feel like a conversation. It feels like a series of loosely connected topics guided by questions rather than a natural conversation, As a result, I never feel that the conversation gets very in depth. I may be wrong, but I think that Doublelift may be too focused on getting to the next topic and could spend more time asking questions about guests' answers and trying to get deep in the topic.
if you are seeing a dl podcast means that you are old school Lcs fan. Jensen and nsk were the midlaners of the best 2 orgs in LCS, its not that he is talking to random jg from golden guardians s8.
Idt he’s focused on getting to the next topic, think he moves on when he feels the previous convo comes to a stall and he may struggle on carrying that convo forward. He said this after his last podcast and acknowledged he’s awkward and has much to improve.
agreed early game is weak but mid and late game is strong
Its kinda on the guests to help keep the conversation flowing. Otherwise DL has no choice but to move onto next question
Not really, you can obviously have guests who are better conversationalists than others. Regardless, it’s always the hosts job to carry on and continue the conversation. Can’t really be too harsh since I believe it’s the first time DL has ever tried to be a host, but he’s got things to work on for sure
Hard to blame the system when the coach that made this team, coaching staff and what not is kicked for not leaning into the system. No one to look up to like LS in the team. sadge
The players wanted him gone as well
@@ovs4744 who? LS? What?
@@ovs4744 For some reason people think LS got together to join C9. The only thing LS really did was probably give Jack a discount on Berserker.
@@ovs4744 U know this how? lol
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg yeah forget about the fact that fudge and max waldo really wanted him and they some how scored Summit and Winsome too
If Zven swapped support, it could be pretty spicy cuz his mechanics are fking insane. His attitude would be the main issue if he were to swap.
Another kick ass episode, keep this shit up! Becoming one of my favorite e spots personalities to watch!
Fighting games are one of the most mechanically intense games around, and several of the top players are in their late 30s or early 40s now like Sako, Daigo, Tokido, etc.
League should be no problem to play at 40+ as long as you stay up to date on the meta.
Honestly the main reason I would want to get good at leauge is because the money. If you treat leauge like a career, you can make so much. Even if you dont go pro its pretty nutty.
God tier podcast. Best of luck to these boys getting on some stellar teams
2:06 Doublelift softballing a hand grenade
Jensen just casually has a corpse wrapped up on his bed
How fucking much do i like this podcast. I watch them all Euphoria/BestDamnLeagueShow/TheJungle/Facecheck .... but this one .... just watching the 1vs2 proportion of guests/hosts and you being an explayer who can relate and do different questions to them.... makes it so much more enjoyable! Keep up the good work DL ! (EU FAN)
Yo Double i cant believe im saying this but you're actually getting good at this man...Keep it up very good interview
Jensen and Nisqy are actually so cool dudes
so refreshing to see caedrel in trash talk
Guys can anyone explain what were they talking about when they mentioned the Damonte thing at 25:50 ?
11. 打是疼，骂是爱 - Beating is doting, flaming (scolding) love. Tough love growing up in a Chinese family
cody sun did get imported to lfl right? thats like the closest to the lec thing
@Doublelift You should include like a 15-20 minute segment for chat questions
God no pls not another hotline league
stories from back in the day make the best content hahaha
I’ve gotta say, mandatory workouts will 1000% have a positive effect of performance. Being unhealthy will straight up make you perform worse. it’s good for your health, both physically and mentally. It builds a foundation of responsibility and honestly should remain a part of Esports.
It's not more important than actually playing the game and learning more than a 3 champ pool though
It should be a mandatory log time of 2 hours per week for exercise. Not mandated 1 hour every morning every day. That can be draining and result in mental fatigue.
The players should just be told "log 2 hours of exercise minimum per week" and thats it. They can divy up those 2 hours however they want, as long as it gets done.
@@Kaidyn04 sure, but that’s irrelevant to the fact that it does have a positive impact on the players and should likely be something that’s part of their day. I’ve personally ping ponged with my health and anecdotally I can say that I perform better in all aspects of life when my health is in check.
Doing workouts has good effects, but the intensity and frequency should be subject to adjustment - like if anything there are tradeoffs and a sweetspot they should try to figure out. An issue I can see is if player comfort is not taken into consideration and adjustments are not made because the "System" takes priority - both the player and team have to be willing to make compromises. Nothing feels as bad as being an employee of a company that doesn't listen at all.
You play League as a job. Workouts are not related at all. It can be highly encouraged or have 1 team workout a week or such...but mandatory defeats the purpose of having workouts personalized to you (Time, type, intensity, frequency, length, etc.)
i love the podcasts, my favorite thing on your channel ngl
LS kicked for not doing push-ups confirmed
@doublelift I thought about the two mid jg thing with C9 and it was more so that Jensen and Blabber are volatile in nature and can easily destroy or be a bit reckless and make some mistakes from over aggression and into certain teams they expected it / knew how to play around it but with Sven golden glue you get hella stability and two rocks that can’t be shut down but will still punish or play correctly and ensure that there is more control for everyone on the team Bc they can be crazy play makers who didn’t lose lane and were impossible to topple at least that’s how I see it
As a TL fan I wish they just kept Jensen and ran with it instead of picking up Bjergsen
I agree I think Jensen is more clutch but bjergsen is more consistent.
@@ReynosoCali Jensen chokes to bjergsen so often in playoffs lol
As a tsm fan i wish they just kept Jensen and ran with it instead of picking up Bjergsen
@@Adantius at least Jensen knows what items to build tho
@@peepeepoopoo5762 yeah he just doesn’t know how to use them once he builds em
Hi Doublelift, I had a bug where I played a ranked game but received zero lp after the game. When I was in the after lobby it said my lp was processing and it wasn’t loading and I thought ok I’ll just leave the client get my lp but weirdly after playing another rank game I gotten lp however my lp gain from last game hasn’t gone through. I tried to report the bug to riot what happened but I don’t know what to do or if they can contact me about the situation and fix me gaining lp. What should I do?
AWESOME guest choices!
When you have no routine it's easy to fall into a endless cycle of doing nothing and letting life fly by without you and just wither away. Most of us have been doing it ever since covid19 or us that are depressed or suffer bad anxiety.
Can you upload these to Spotify
1:26:00 Palafox actually thought he understood Zoe matchups better than Nisquick 💀. If Nisqy ever got a worlds skin i feel like it would be a toss up between Zoe and Cassiopeia.
Doublelift and Jensen in EU would be so fun to watch
jensen clim perkz on last summer playoff and clim humanoid on world
Another banger episode!
I find it so interesting that eSports are trying to inculcate how other sports function. In football, it's understandable why there's mandatory work out and diets since you use your physical body a lot. But surprisingly, the English premiere league teams didn't have those type of routines until the late 20th century ( I think, just want I know about Arsenal's history). This is one of the of more drier podcast episodes, but the topics are captivating af.
A big problem with LCS as well is none of the players really stream that often/not super entertaining to watch. It's still doublelift/sneaky/T1 that are like the staple NA league streams and it feels like they aren't promoting the game as much anymore in NA. Also the fact that LA has to play on minimum 60+ ping in the REGION YOU HAVE YOUR PRO PLAYERS IN LIKE WTF
In an ideal world, Jensen signs a contract for summer split because I see the 100T roster blowing up (cept Ssum and Closer) after worlds. No disrespect to Abbe, but Jensen added to that top side map would be insane. Wishful thinking!
Workouts and exercise are good but for gamers idk if high intensity half an hour or a full hour everyday idk if that’s the best obv there’s gonna be breaks for game and traveling
No champions queue or NA to EU work ethic convo?
love this podcast sm
C9 Went thru extremes it seems, cause the time right before the benching it seemed like c9 was the meme team with a very laid back approach and sneaky/jensen ran the show. Then as a sign of power jack went to a extreme and implemented the system.
Jensen and Larsen must be freaky Friday twins
banger show! more episodes, please!
Players complaining about how teams run things, but they still aren’t utilizing their players Union to force these teams to collectively bargain to their demands.
great ep!!!!!
Can't wait to clap Faker :D
for sneaky to come back he would have to put streaming and stuff back burnered and need a top team. i think if a team agreed that if he made league primary again giving him adc on a top team for the next split he could. but honestly it seems like he has settled well intro streaming from the view of a viewer. Same thing goes for other pros from the past 2-3 years who still hover around league without a team.
tbh i think if there were a team or two in an amature league that was allowed to stream their own games comprised of all semi retired pros like sneaky, dl, meteos, nisqy, jensen, zven etc and they just took games half seriously that would be hype. allows for regular streaming and whatever outside of an org, provides experienced opponents for people trying to make it to scouting/academy. could be some amazing weekly content.
Perfect timing I just got off work and finished getting high
Can we get Diamondprox, Bausffs, Chaox and Theoddone next?
Love the podcast, but you should close the league client for these. I kept thinking I was getting messages and stuff on my client, but it was closed lmao.
i want rekkles so bad in trashtalk i know he has alot to say
yes id love to hear him explain why he locked himself in his room and refused to play with caps in 2018 fnc
Spy x Family.
I haven't seen the anime or finished the podcast episode yet but the girl is hot so yes Spy x Family I agree
@@PbaTv7 please tell me by girl you mean the mother not the daughter
@@spookie1024 :)
@@spookie1024 :)
Nisqy seems like sucha. Nice guy
Really hope Jensen and Nisqy get into a team and pop off. C9 honestly trying to beat tsm to 10th team from what it looks like.
Am I gonna Speedrun my monthly internet data on my way to work with this 2 hour long video? Ofcourse!
Danish people are the korean of eu in terms of gaming. correct if im wrong
Imagine Jensen had been ADC - like g2 did with caps + perkz. Would had been insane TL combo... Seems so stupid to me they didnt do that.
You’re delusional if u think Jensen role swapping adc is better than hans sama, love Jensen but this ain’t it
If a team was made up of only Turkish players with BrokenBlade, Closer, Nisqy, Luger, and some Turkish support they would actually be like top 3 in LCS or LEC.
Brokenblade is German. He's only ethnically Turkish.
@@andrewli8900 yet he refers to himself as turkish
@@andrewli8900 would you call a chinese person german too if he had a german passport?
@@newtonstesla9445 Yes
Wide Wipo is the King of the Summoners' Wift.
Poor Tactical, even CoreJJ wanted him out.
I mean. He made his own bed and it's still piss wet in TSM
C9 made the gamers sit up outta there chair waaaa waaa
i feel like blabber eventually falls in to that trap you have when you stomped a game before and then you continue to play like an aggressive asshole like your still fed as shit but then get punished. it feels like he goes like 4-8ish games stomping easilly gets used to it keeps playing like that gets punished and has to readjust and while hes kind of getting back in form over a couple games his team omega mental booms.
"scrim bitch" Double kills me lmaooo
There is no way the median is 400k in NA. There are 50 players in NA, if even 1/4 of them were on 400k plus the Riot salary that would be outragous money. Plus these teams have dozens of staff/coaches and academy players.
Also a couple workouts a week is defo positive but 1 hr, 5 days a week is gym rat stuff.
It's the orgs not riot who pays the players
1 hr 5 days a week is not gym rat stuff. It’s a few exercises every day. Also, there are players on million dollar contracts that bring the average up. And there’s a minimum salary the LCS offers so the base pay is already close to 100k
@@eFrog27 the people with big salaries do bring up the average, but he referenced median. that means 50% of people get paid more and 50% get paid less.
@@eFrog27 median salary not average. It means the 25th most paid player is paid 400k
DL should really look to get someone to co host these, feels pretty awkward at times!
I think the intro was really the only super awkward part. He seems to be improving every episode
@@whiteforest62 DL cannot transition to questions well at all😭.
There's a pause or a "that's true that's true" into a read off of notepad.
Love him, as you said he'll improve
Ok DL Jensen Nisqy just here me out WHAT IF Jensen goes top and you grab Spica once TSM messes up and he’s dropped for Bo. YOU ALL walk into GGS and say we’ll start for whatever your paying your team now but only if you play all of us+biofrost. On the real, there is a GOOD chance they won’t say no.
BANGER
D: being the scrim guy is still a job peter
Upload to Spotify wanna listen at work :)
MAD Nisqy and MCD Jensen let’s go
The only chance NA ever had at winning worlds was season 1 and the only chance at winning MSI was when doublelift lost in finals. NA needs to stop filling teams with burnt out imports and focus on young american challenger players and training them into gods for when they turn 17 18 and then are ready to crush the world.
The most important lesson from my Secondary school GEOGRAPHY teacher is not her content. She worked hard for the materials & didn't wanna share.
Not to take in by 50 cent or a kiss if any attractive ask for the materials
OK
Noted ✅
I can't rmb any content already
This episode started drama with upset lol
so over it, I want him to retire at this point so it stops being brought ever.
@@Vendrix86 I like the spectacle
Question on contracts and buyouts:
Do these players still get payed after being replaced ON contract? It seems so one-sided for these buyouts to keep them off teams. I think these players wouldn't complain if they were still getting paid like they should be
I think they still get something, but way less than if they play. Depends on the contract tho.
A buyout is a buyout because you're buying them out of the contract. You pay that to get out of the contract legally without being sued. So the org doesn't have to pay the full salary but pay an already agreed-upon percentage of the salary. That way the org saves some money and the player is free to pursue contracts with other teams. Buyouts are in most sports contracts. They usually protect teams more than players but players benefit from them quite often too.