Virginia's Dog Hunting Heritage, Trespass Traditions | Virginia Property Rights
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- Virginia's Dog Hunting Heritage, Trespass Traditions | Virginia Property Rights #outdoors #hunting
Virginia is a very pro-deer/fox dog hunting and anti-property owner rights state. This video aims to show just how few rights private property owners have in the Commonwealth. Right to Retrieve (RTR), has been a serious issue for private property owners as it effectively legalizes unwanted encroachment onto the property of another, and has frequently been used by the dog-deer hunting community to hunt property they otherwise had no permission to hunt.
Due to the distances covered during deer chases, high visibility, and frequent interactions with landowners and other outdoor users, deer/fox hunting with dogs can be controversial at times says the Virginia DWR. The Department receives complaints from residents and other hunters about trespass, violation of privacy, and interference from deer hunters who use dogs. Changing land uses, demographics, and societal attitudes are exerting pressures on the sport not seen a generation ago. Under the pretext of other legal pursuits, some deer/fox hunters who use dogs may engage in activities that lead to conflicts with other citizens or that are viewed as objectionable by the public (VDGIF 2008a). For example, some hunters may chase game or disturb other citizens on prohibited lands under the guise of retrieving hunting dogs (Code of Virginia §18.2-136), chase deer out-of-season during year-round fox chase seasons (Code of Virginia §29.1-516), or road hunt under laws or ordinances which vary considerably by locality. A number of states permit retrieval of hunting dogs without landowner permission under certain conditions (e.g., on unposted properties), but Virginia appears to be one of only two states where hunters can lawfully retrieve dogs even when access has been expressly denied by the landowner. Of the two, Virginia is the only one which allows deer/fox hunting with hounds.
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I own multiple parcels of land in several of the red problem counties. If I had a dash cam, I could routinely film everything depicted in this video. I can assure you it is real and happening everyday in Virginia. I am positive the gentleman opening the dog box with the sippy cup intends to jump back in the truck and follow the dogs ultimately catching them in the _ _ _ _. Johnny, we need a four letter word that starts with R. Sadly it takes years to realize there is nothing that can be done. The process: 1. Apparently you have to own the land more than four years to even have a voice, 2. Is your land clearly posted? 3. Have you told them to stay off? 4. Do you have pictures? 5. Do you have video? 6. Have you contacted your representative? 7. Are you a transplant from the city? While this process is playing out the sheriff, deputies, and other county officials are telling their brother-in-law, AKA the Hunt Club President, that you are a tax paying trouble maker. All of my land is improved for wildlife and conservation, not maximized timber production. It is good to know DWR labels us as trouble makers. A gentleman with 150 acres in a 30,000 acre sea or 50 square mile area had 30 negative encounters or roughly 1 a week last year. That math is only supported by intent. There are multiple private property rights groups forming right now on Facebook with hundreds of the exact stories. Many have proof but are scared to come forward because of all the bullying and intimidation, this video hopefully will bring some of their personal accounts into the light. As this video says, it is not about hunting it is about private property rights. If you want to continue hound hunting a simple yes mam and our dogs will never get on your private property again and take the necessary actions to make sure they stay off.
As a landowner and as a hunter, I see that there is a growing tension between both landowners and hound hunting over the right to retrieve. In my opinion, you need to get perspective from all parties and do an unbiased article showing the challenges of both landowners and hunters. We are divided by rumors, misleading calls to action, negative interactions, lack of respect for landowners and inflammatory actions by a few individuals that disrespect other hunters and the landowners. They give hunting and hunters a bad image. We cannot continue to condone and protect those that trespass, disrespect landowners and give hunting a bad image.
There is a common misrepresentation by the hound hunters that landowners want to end the tradition of hound hunting. That is not entirely true and not all landowners want to end hunting of any type. We as landowners and hunters need to work together. Landowners want more accountability and stronger actions taken against those trespassing and breaking existing laws. Landowners want hunters to get permission to enter their property and show courtesy and respect. Landowners want their livestock and property protected from harassment, damage and intrusion.
We as hunters have been misleadingly told that hunting is under attack when the Right to Retrieve is challenged by landowners and preserving our heritage and tradition is the utmost priority and we need to fight . We need to realize that the reason the right to retrieve is being challenged is because the landowners are being disrespected, posted signs are ignored or damaged, livestock and pets are harassed, blocked driveways, hunters in the road and blocked roads because of a few negligent parties. The most important and relevant complaint by landowners is the altercations between trespassers and the landowners during encounters during hunting season. The trespassers are disrespectful, and use the right to retrieve as an excuse to enter property or other excuses such as I’ve been doing this for years. They post and boast on social media about the inability to read signs, doing what they want, insulting landowners and making fun of landowners and landowner’s rights. With all do respect in the aspect and intention of protecting hunting and our heritage hunters are not cooperating with landowners or representing hunting in a positive way. Hunters are dividing ourselves while protecting the few bad hunt clubs and hunters that are causing the issues with landowners.
It is the landowner that gives permission to hunt on their land. That should be respected and sought as it was in the past. We are all neighbors and are stewards of our land and of game. Without landowners' cooperation and giving permission to access their land hunting would be on public land, WMA’s and more challenging and possibly subjected to quota hunts. Good working relationships with landowners and ethical hunters are the future of hunting private land in Virginia.
We need to repair the damage done by those that abuse and harm our tradition, heritage and image while destroying our relationship with landowners.
I have had armed trespass and removal of game without permission.
I have had trespassing hunters not wearing blaze orange.
Dogs are run along and inside of my property lines and hunt club members position themselves along the property line to shoot deer run from my property to the area they are hunting. They essentially hunt your property and theirs.
By law the hunter must seek permission to recover game. They are also required to not be armed with a firearm, bow and arrow or weapon.
By law the hunter/retriever is required to identify themselves to landowners when asked.
There are sections in the Code concerning trespass with hounds yet it is the landowner’s word against the houndsman and if you don't have physical proof of them dropping the tailgate or walking the dogs to your property line and releasing them intentionally on your land then there's no proof or it is extremely hard to enforce
§ 18.2-133. Refusal of person on land, etc., of another to identify himself.
Any person who goes on the lands, waters, ponds, boats or blinds of another to hunt, fish, or trap and willfully refuses to identify himself when requested by the landowner or his agent so to do shall be deemed guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
Thanks for highlighting the issue with hunting deer with the dogs.
I like you point out that your goal isn’t to ban hunting deer with dogs. Most people don’t care what you do on your land.
However, during rifle season in Virginia east of the blue ridge, there’s a huge problem with trespassing deer dogs and their owners.
These dogs create a safety issue and nuisance for neighbors. They have killed cats, chickens and chased other livestock. Not to mention that these dogs interfere with OTHER HUNTERS.
Most, if not all of the dog clubs do not pay taxes on the monies they collect from their members. The average hunt club member pays between $600-1000.00 per year to hunt state owned property (whitetail deer), and no one reports the income to the IRS. There is a method to report (the same as fire depts., animal welfare groups, school booster clubs), but the state and IRS ignore the failure to report by the hunting clubs. This is a real issue, that shouldn't be ignored. If the hunt clubs paid their fair share of taxes, the monies could be used to hire more conservation officers to contain the chaos, or the money could be put into a general fund for schools, hospitals, highways, etc. Instead, landowners who receive thousands in cash for large leases, go without a 1099, or other method of accountability to the IRS. If I ran a animal welfare group, community organization of any kind, I would be angry as hell to think I'm required to follow the law, but hunt clubs who raise money for personal enjoyment get a break from the state and federal government taxation. Think about it the next time you file taxes for your small business, daycare, or animal rescue organization...
We live in Courtland VA on a small piece of property with just under 8 acres. This is a continual thing YEAR round and daily. Whether it’s hunting season or not. We are completely tired of it and have exhausted all efforts. We have caught the dogs many times over the years and the hunters do come and get them (possibly several days later). We have asked for them to please keep the dogs off our land. We have left notes at their hunting yards on our road. We’ve even carried dogs back to the dog yards and just stuck them back in pens or tied them up on our own because we simply don’t feel like waiting until someone will eventually come to pick them up. Something needs to change to protect us and our property legislatively. I have horses and a breeding facility here. The dogs were chasing my horses yesterday. I am an animal lover, and do not have it in me to harm these dogs for chasing my livestock. I just wish the owners were held accountable for their animals, just as I am for my own dogs and horses. Dealing with this year after year, after year is truly irritating. Let’s make a change!!!!!! Make your voices heard !!!!!
A well done video that expressly conveys the concerns of landowners and of how their privacy and property rights are violated by dog hunters and their dogs.
I have hunted with clubs, and I know their tactics.
Tracts of posted lands off limits to them present refuges for game as the season progresses.
The thinking towards the end of the season is that they've essentially worn out their own lands and leased properties, either by killing or chasing away the bulk of the game (mostly deer). This creates a desire to sneak dogs onto the protected properties, either by direct drop offs in remote reaches of the properties or by allowing their dogs to keep going when they do cross boundaries.
While it is true that deer dogs, especially "green" ones that have fresh legs and haven't been run all day, are hard to stop and catch; as some people in the video eloquently expressed, "How and why is this my problem?" It shouldn't be. Current laws throw all inconvenience and burdens in the corner of the property owners, and give all benefits and conveniences to the hunters.
The property owner must, by law, allow strangers onto their private property.
The property owner must prove any and all damages incurred.
The property owner must be home or present to do this and be aware of the intrusions. This factor alone makes me not want to leave my place for the entirety of the season, because I know they'll take advantage of my absence.
The property owner must witness, and preferably document intrusions, damages, and incursions.
The hunters responsibilities?
Do not take a firearm onto the private property while you and your dogs are trespassing.
Do not block the landowner's driveways or roads.
Do not shoot from ditch line to ditch line when parked in the right of way adjacent to the private property.
I will add that as soon as the cool nights start, hunters start releasing their dogs to run all night and until they choose to round them up.
They also train the dogs in the Spring, when fawns are vulnerable and when a peaceful morning of turkey hunting can be upended by a pack of hounds chasing deer.
Yes, deer. The fox hunting thing is a loophole. Dogs can't read posted signs, and dogs will chase deer, foxes, coyotes, bears, and bobcats indiscriminately.
Thank God they don't have fishing dogs!
I ain’t coming to Virginia to hunt anytime soon. This is just mind blowing.
I don't blame you I'd stay where ever you live 😢
We run dogs here in Arkansas, but not like this. My hunting club has thousands of continuous acres leased, so the dogs rarely get off the lease. We never shoot off the lease or across county roads. We certainly don't presume full access to private property.
This is absolute reality for Virginia landowners. The examples of malicious damage and verbal abuse to us and even our children is common. In many areas, the hounds are allowed to run all night so its not just a weekend here and there. In addition, still hunters routinely have their hunts ruined by the constant hound and retrieving hunter intrusion. It is also unsafe. The videos of road hunting could be taken anywhere in the eastern half of Virginia. Beyond dangerous. The video doesn't even talk about hound hunters routinely blocking roads for various reasons.
Those having problems with hound and hunter trespass are also invited to check out the Virginia Property Rights (VPR) and the Virginia Property Rights Coalition (VPRC)
I’m in Tennessee and had an issue with someone constantly running their dogs on my land. I am the one that not only paid for the land but also the TAXES. Keep yourself and your dogs off unless you have permission!
I really like the video. I do wish it had included the problems we are facing with bear hunting with hounds. I was attacked by a bear that was chased by packs of hounds through my posted property. I was working on my farm minding my own business when this happened. The exhausted bear fought with the hounds in the creek injuring several dogs. The bear climbed the stream bank and charged me. I had been watching this horror show from the bridge where my tractor was parked. I went to the hospital where blood stop was used to control the bleeding. I had to undergo rabies shots. The CPO showed up the next day. Hunting bears with hounds is absolutely dangerous to people who are inadvertently in the path of a bear fleeing hounds.
I was biting by a loose hound in my yard and went through rabies treatment.
That’s no fun and expensive.
Things that never happened for 1000 Alex.
Videos and witnesses prove it.
I’m 46 I’m a Va resident who’s hunted 36 years I love still hunting and dog hunting years ago gps collars didn’t exist so you didn’t have any idea where the dogs where now with gps dog hunters can tone or shock the dog to stop them from leaving the lands they can hunt which would stop a lot of this but they don’t also they forgot to say that they cannot drive on or possess a firearm while retrieving their dogs and I’d add that the laws shouldn’t change because you didn’t do your homework before buying land in these counties if you don’t like it sell the property and move we are losing America everyday because people coming here from over 100 different countries that they didn’t like and trying to turn us into those countries that they didn’t like if they love these places so much stay there and make changes
§ 18.2-121.1. Permitting certain animals to run at large.
The owner or manager of any animal mentioned in § 55.1-2820, who shall knowingly permit such animal to run at large in any county or portion thereof, under quarantine, shall be deemed to be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
§ 18.2-132. Trespass by hunters and fishers.
Any person who goes on the lands, waters, ponds, boats or blinds of another to hunt, fish or trap without the consent of the landowner or his agent shall be deemed guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
Code 1950, § 29-165; 1954, c. 155; 1962, c. 469; 1975, cc. 14, 15.
Let’s tell the real truth here, The ONLY reason Cumberland va was so high in complaints is your parents made 80% of them and keep in mind, no tickets were issued on claims they made… I really wish the truth was told better in your video than what you put on there. Several videos from the Carolina’s were used while you were referencing Virginia in which different things in the videos are legal there. The last video you posted when you were hunting on your family farm that you grew up hunting(actually only bought just a few years ago) you came in from out of town and killed a target buck in just a couple sits that had been there for several years. Maybe the dog “trespassing” is not as bad as you make it seem?
100%. Some game wardens quit their job or moved because of how rude and obnoxious y’all were 🤷🏼♀️
Anyone who read my comment , I suggest reading this one.
As long as he pays for the land and pays the damn taxes he can sit there for three seconds, or thirty years. And so long as your name isn’t on the damn title or the lease, the US Constitution says your sorry ass can be excluded. You entitled leeches are going to find that out in court soon enough
FACTS!!! 🙌
Big thank you to the Sheriff of Cumberland County Darrell Hodges and the DGIF of Virginia. We appreciate everything they do for dog hunters in our area. I am a proud dog hunter and always have been.
Create an account just to comment. What a joke. Good thing you got that thank you in. Trash hunter.
As a guy who lives up north let me make a point! Go TO TSC and buy large rolls of barb wire. Tack the first row 6 inches off the ground and then second row 6 inches above that! And so on. If its legal. Those dogs and hunters should never step on Private Property that you paid for! Yet on the other side.the deer hunters who make money get the golden treatment. So not fair!!! Praying for you guys!
This can’t be real life… there’s no way in todays world that a state’s wildlife management agency could possibly endorse this crap. Hunting a big game animal like vermin. Way to go Virginia!
Virginia is awesome!
Virginia’s DWR has no balls. It’s absolutely real life.
Virginia is my home state with wonderful hunting and fishing opportunities. This video is extremely misleading. Notice that not a single hunter interview was included. Also the fact that law enforcement is finding no issue is a testament to the responsible actions of the hunters. As a Virginia property owner I can fully say that this video is a biased, one sided misrepresentation of a wonderful state and hunting community. The video is pure misinformation and should be removed.
Steven, that's what happens when the wild resource is managed by bureaucrats. Virginia DWR is pressured by special interest groups for opportunity vs quality. Virginia could boast both, great opportunity and world class animals, but instead they allow a 24/7 fox chase season during key nesting and fawning months. The wildlife is under high stress year round and many young bucks don't make it... As long as the Virginia DWR decision makers continue to allow abuse of private property it won't improve. Thanks for watching!
Chase I don’t personally know you but can see you have a passion for hunting big mature whitetails along with other hunting and that is what you love. You moved out west to do exactly that. But let’s be realistic I’ve never seen a fox dog break up a turkey nest or catch a fawn like you are claiming. Virginia is a great state that you can kill mature bucks in you showed that in your video hunting down here. This year the one buck I killed was a big old mature 6.5 year old deer. Yea a pile of young bucks get killed but it’s all in what each different hunter wants. A person doesn’t have to shoot them if they don’t want. You are doing exactly what the democrats do pushing narratives to fit your agenda and don’t care how many you hurt along the way. You definitely seem like you have sense than your parents, you moved because you saw an opportunity to go film and chase giant midwest whitetails they bought a 90 acre tract a few years ago(your family farm you supposedly grew up hunting) along with the other 40 or 50 or whatever it is that a dog hunting club was leasing. This is dead in the center of literally of 4 of the biggest hunting clubs around. We are talking, lets say yalls 150 acres in the center of 30000 if not more acres of dog hunting leases. Then they sit in the truck, hours on end watching and cant understand why they see dog hunters stopping to do what can be to keep dogs from going on the yalls property. On Christmas instead of trying to enjoy time with family they were sitting on a tailgate hoping for santa to drop a dog off they could catch and try to sue someone. For instance, The time you messed your dad’s car up down at the bridge, believe it was a local dog hunting member that took you up the road so you could make a call to get it straight. But yet you still make us all look bad. Everyone isn’t perfect and everyone has opinions and doesn’t agree on certain things even between bordering clubs. If you have problems try and talk it out set up a meeting with people to try and fix the situation before everytime the DNR is called and time and resources keep getting wasted on bogus calls.
These videos aren't recorded in VA .
Suuuurrrreee.
As a landowner and hunter, I don't see a reason to maintain the right to retrieve. It has been abused by a few negligent clubs and individuals. I've had trespassers on my property and blocking my driveway. I've had them stand on my property and tell me "I've done this for x amount of years", I've had them make excuses about being a "guest member" for a club, "not seeing signs". I watched a guy just look at a sign and shrug and just walk on my property. I have pictures of them standing in the road facing the opposite side with firearms in hand. That doesn't even account for the ones impeding traffic on public roads. I've had dogs being run on my property on multiple occasions. They have run night and day chasing deer and left to run. I've called dog owners to say I've got your dog only for them to reply," turn em loose and they'll come back or we'll get em later. "
I own a large plot in south eastern Virginia. My husband and sons are huge hunters. They spend all year planning and prepping for hunting season. We have several children and every year I have the same concern. The dogs NEVER stay back in our woods requiring myself and daughters to address the impact they have on our daily lives. Every year, we have pictures of them on my deck, in my chicken coop, in my pasture with my animals. My dog always gets into a fight with them because they are inside my fence. But worst of all, the right to retrieve requires me to allow complete strangers (95% of the time grown men) on my property to retrieve their dogs. I have children, specifically teenage girls. I don't know you or your background. This law requires me to let complete strangers, potentially sex offenders, around my property and my children. So my question is. Would you let a complete stranger, that refuses to give you their name, with out proof their animal on your property, around your daughters. The first time one of my kids are attacked I hope the law gets to you before I do.
That is some bs. Leave it up to Va for some bs rules. Not my property might have some flat tires
This video is wild. Fortunately I don’t live in a state where this happens during the deer season. I know folks that deal with it in bear season, but nothing like this. That clip of 40 dogs getting out of the box, insane. This is making private land, public.
Sounds like you live in a state that respects wildlife management practices, private property rights, and landowners 🤷♂
The more dogs they turn loose the more deer they move off neighboring lands.
Exact reason we need a permit system and min. acerage requirements.
What's interesting to me is there's this extreme where you have hunters feeling entitled to treat private property as public property while in Wyoming we have ranchers treating public property as their own private property. Both are complete scumbags as far as I'm concerned.
The use of tracking collars is simply a tool to the hunter. Yes most models are able to tone or shock to stop the chase. But there are lots of times when it just doesn't work. I have seen this not work in the ways it should. When I was young tracking collars was not a possibility for use. I ran dogs with my family and never had any problems with trespassing or retrieve. What changed. I currently hunt with a club that uses dogs to hunt with and not just for deer but other chase seasons as well. But yet all I have heard complaints about is the deer season.
Just one thing I am a land owner in va. Also do NOT hunt with hounds . So when they start to restrict hunting because of you people. The “doggers” Wil be the only one to stand up for your rights!!! Also STOP BUILDING HOUSES IN THE FARM LAND THEN LET THE YANKES MOVE IN!! IF YOU DONT LIKE HUNTING GO ELSEWHERE WHERE.
§ 18.2-132.1. Trespass by hunters using dogs; penalty.
Any person who intentionally releases hunting dogs on the lands of another which have been posted in accordance with the provisions of § 18.2-134.1 to hunt without the consent of the landowner or his agent is guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation of this section within three years is a Class 1 misdemeanor and, upon conviction, the court shall revoke such person's hunting or trapping license for a period of one year. The fact that hunting dogs are present on the lands of another alone is not sufficient evidence to prove that the person acted intentionally
If we had voted this guys dad into our club 30 years ago he would be the biggest dog hunter around. These people are absolutely nuts. Most of you have no clue how crazy they are.
Some guy said i shot his dog. I said you and i both know i did not shoot. I had to call my buddy to help me. To find out that dog was about 5 mins away. What an ass
This video is dead on.
I was a third generation hound hunter. My father and myself quit because of all the abuse we were seeing on our land. Todays hound hunters can’t survive without a truck the road to hunt off of and a gps collar. The standers no longer try to stop the chase when the dogs are leaving the hunt clubs leases because of these collars. Hound hunting today is nothing like it was 20 years ago when I was young every stander had a leash and we tried to stop the chase.
We deal with it all year long. People know my stance and they come right up here and turn loose every chance they get. Spring Gobbler season being one of the worst times. If DWR cared to help at all they wouldn’t allow this out of season running all year long.
I have a pending civil suit with a hunt club. I could care less if I spend every dime I have .I will use my land in the end the way I want.. I would except these civil suits to increase with DWR refusal to help us. Eventually DWR will become liable. I look for the Agency to be sued by private landowners over hound trespassing and giving away our constitutional rights!
I live in Evington Va right west of 29 I don’t run my dog but I do trail train and she roams freely folks around here doesn’t give fucks about a dog on property its people
Ah yes, until they find coyote traps....
You are mistakenly interpreting this law incorrectly. It’s the right to retrieve. Not the right to allow a dog to roam. Not a right to look for. The law is not being enforced. If that blip is there it means you have my dog. I’m going to call my dog as much as I can. And use recall. But ultimately if my dog is in peril and you refuse to help or allow me to get my dog… my dogs life could be in danger and I’m going to get it.
That’s the issue, hunt where you are allow to. If you do so, you don’t have issues. The “I can’t control my dog” is not valid at all. That doesn’t mean, oh go ahead and walk through my property. Should be consequences for not being able to control your dog. Whats the point of controlling the dog in the first place if you could run through someone else property and potentially run a nice bear onto a land you can hunt. I mean come on dude, people aren’t ignorant to what y’all doing.
@SCP_BrightAlt va code 18.2-136
May want to educate yourself before showing your ignorance sir.
People buy a hunting license to hunt and the state is supposed to use that money to buy more public hunting areas for people to hunt on. These states take that money and waste it on other things? It leaves nowhere for hunting except near private land. There should be more land purchased for public hunting each year in each county to provide a place for hunters who are paying the state in order to hunt
This video didn't divide us, the US Constitution already did by something called a property line. You stay on your side, I will stay on mine. End of story. Nothing else matters. Now everyone can go back to enjoying their life.
That mail box was shot with bird shot any deer hunter knows that u don’t shoot deer with that😂 all these people in this video are mental
I know dogs cant stop at property lines. So thats never gonna be fixed. Its a few clips saying they can but a hunter cant ve everywhere to stop the chase. Half cant hit the deer they shoot at to even stop it. It does really suck cause these hounds go in and end up running deer out then getting shot. I use to enjoy hound hunting but the road hunting and disrespect have just gotten out of hand. Gps has made hunters lazy. Constantly watching a screen. Instead of out the truck in the woods listening. Hound hunting back in the 80-90s is way different from now. Thats when it was actually hunting. Now its loke a video game for people that cant get out of a truck or want to shoot in middle of a road.
Curious, you claim to want to address the problem but only allow one side to present their side. You take that from the Jan6 inquiry ?
Nothing from Hunters, Nothing from DGIF?
You simply made a hit piece for your supporters.
I believe he did let the other side present, he presented, "It's none of your fing business." By the way the dogger's boots appear to be merely slipped on, wouldn't that make venturing away from the truck or catching a dog difficult at best? This video is not a hunting video, it is about private property rights. It's not about interactions between people at a public park. It is about trespassing on posted private property either by person or the person's agent AKA the dog and the damage it is currently causing. Plus, you have to remember the elephant in the room, private property rights are a fundamental part of the US Constitution so the other side's position isn't really relevant. However, if you do want to take issue with only presenting one side or point to an argument, lets take a deep dive into dog ownership and the dog's contribution to its care. A dog tethered to a chain cannot provide its own shelter from the elements, get its own food or water, or provide its own vet care so constantly spouting a dog can't read is only presenting one shortcoming. In reality, all these items fall under the owner's responsibility including staying where the owner and dog have permission to be.
I’m sure an interview with the dog hunters would have been really meaningful. Would have just said “dogs can’t read signs” and “it’s my tradition” over and over again
so you made a 10 minute video about a topic and didn't give a single iota of though to have some representation of the opposite side of the issue , or to interview anyone related to law enforcement or the legal system explain the minutia of the laws involved in this topic.
The only thing you guys have to say is: “The damn dogs can’t read” Shut up leech and sit down
Well to give you some insight on the video clips you are using aren’t even from Virginia! That’s another RUclipsr from North Carolina. How can you even justify what happens in Virginia and use another person’s videos and clips from another state to try and make your point?
Chase Grubbs has created this video to push an agenda. It’s pure propaganda and misinformation. He’s spreading lies and misleading viewers. He will not even address the fact the he has blatantly contradicted what the RtR law actually states. I’ve called him out on this but of course he won’t respond because his lies have been exposed.
I had permission from your dad just to be clear, and I don’t appreciate you putting me in a video without my permission!
Pretty sure it’s illegal. Follow through with that 👀
@@ashleycarson3541 if he was on someone else’s property when he was recorded, it is not illegal.
It’s too bad your feelings are hurt. “I don’t appreciate…” Quiet down little guy.
@@ashleycarson3541 educate yourself and ole boy while you're at it, law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/
@@ashleycarson3541 Looked like you did plenty of research for that school project three years ago. Unfortunately, it seems like the research stopped after that project. Class act here.
This is the most liberal stuff I have ever seen dude dogs don’t know property lines and we have been doing it for hundreds of years
Hundreds of years, dang bub how old are you? 👴
I’m a hound hunter and the law states that we can retrieve our dog as long as we aren’t carrying a weapon onto the private property I’ve had a landowner tell me I couldn’t retrieve my dogs and he called the game warden and the sheriffs office and the told them that we have the right to retrieve our dogs as long as we don’t have a weapon on ourselves and we go straight to the dogs and we leave it as we found the property not everyone trashes other peoples property and you can’t always control where your dogs go. My dogs are trained for bear hunting and they are trained to follow the bear in tell it runs up a tree or we caught them crossing the road
Leave the law alone!!
Sugar coat it however you want, anti hunting is anti hunting. If you don't like dogs on your property, call god and tell him to take back his coyote.
@zekewilson3961 this video is not anti-hunting, but rather about respecting the private property rights of the landowner. Most private property is posted with a sign that says Posted No Hunting, is that anti-hunting according to you?
Go cry about it its just a dog the dog cant kill anything if the HUNTER shoots on your property by all means get them arrested. Yall let the dogs do what they love man honestly still hunter crying once again
These landowner are crybabies
What about all the ones who are not in this video who have suffered the loss of livestock, had their house riddled with buckshot, been cussed out, all at their own homes and farms….Are they crybabies too?
And you’re a leech who can’t afford his own property so you’ve got to suck off the hind teet of others
@@ShellyChorrienaw they’re liars.
Some landowners are dicks but there dog hunters are dicks to but. Its fair to us honest dogman who istay within rules
You got videos from different states that arent even Virginia then half the people have no idea what there talking about the whole video is ass
This video is very misleading! I do not own any hunting dogs but I am a Virginia property owner and have experience with dog hunting around my property. This video leaves out important facts about the right to retrieve law. I suspect intentionally to spread misinformation. You can not be in possession of a firearm while retrieving a dog and you can not drive a vehicle on to a property while retrieving a dog. A big issue in the state is that there are a lot of people moving to Virginia from states that do not have a deer dog hunting season. They do not understand the long standing traditions and laws to protect those traditions. Keep in mind that many of the founding fathers from Virginia including George Washington were avid dog hunters. Chase created a completely bias and one sides video to misinform and mislead viewers. This video depicts the views of a minority and not the majority.
The reason that the property owners in this video are no longer receiving assistance from local law enforcement is most likely because they have made a nuisance of themselves by continually filing bogus complaints.
Well buddy, did yah care to watch the video at all. It states in the beginning the law and the exact section where it’s stated. Not sure your point here. Facts are stated throughout the whole video. Not once was there an opinion made at all. Sure it makes them out to be the villain because frankly they are. It’s a bogus law that is being abused to the fullest extent.
To address your next comment, you’re right they should turn their backs and let it happen. Just like you Biden voters are doing with your savior of a president. Keep dreaming bud, your points are invalid.
@@TheTylerRoach 100 percent I believe 30 something calls in one year, not one resulted in a ticket
@@coontime87so what you’re saying is that a landowner had dogs on them 30 or so times and nothing was done? I believe that’s the exact point this video is making… Virginia DWR needs to have regulation changes. Does 30 times count as intent? Or is that abusing the RTR as he said in the video… come on.
@@stevenmacks293 it’s likely that most of the complaints are not even pertaining to RtR. Landowners that are in opposition to this form of hunting will use any and every excuse to file a complaint. Including exaggerating or flat out lying about a situation. VADGIF will often investigate and find that the hunters are acting in a safe, responsible and lawful manner. These “problem landowners” become labeled as such by law enforcement for continuing to file bogus claims. These landowners have often acted outside of the law by even harming or killing dogs that enter their property. This video is a very one sided and poor representation of what actually happens and should be removed for misinformation.
All lies.
What an hilarious video , it made my day. You seem to be a talented guy just by scrolling through your RUclips page. Seems like you put together an extremely bias video to portray other hunters as evil. It’s actually really lazy that you failed to provide any nuance at all. I bet when you discovered the “dogger” lady you got really excited about how she would come off in this edited video of propaganda. I don’t even disagree with all of this video. It’s just shocking you thought this was a way to convince others that don’t think the same way as you.
He included the codified laws pertaining to RTR. How did he mislead anyone? Personally, I thought he did a great job informing viewers on the lack of rights private property owners are granted by the state of VA. Also considering he highlighted a property rights group at the beginning, I knew the video wasn’t going to be about the dog hunters amazing ethics.
@@stevenmacks293 He actually left key elements of the RtR law simply to help it fit his and the property rights group’s agenda. It’s nothing but misleading, biased propaganda. Pure misinformation and should be removed.
@@TheTylerRoach familiarize yourself with Article 5. Trespass to Realty § 18.2-136. you'll see that the entire Virginia Law Code is listed in the video. The agenda of this video is to drive change regarding private property rights in the commonwealth and implement restrictions on the current codes surrounding hunter trespass & RTR.
@@Fairchasehunt Thank you for addressing me directly. I hope you will continue to do so. I am very familiar with § 18.2-136. Including these sections which I have challenged that you intentionally left out. I quote “ may not carry firearms or bows and arrows on their persons or hunt any game while thereon.” Also “The use of vehicles to retrieve dogs, falcons, hawks, or owls on prohibited lands shall be allowed only with the permission of the landowner or his agent.” Which you do leave out of your video to give the impression that these hunters are actually driving onto your property or that they are armed and hunting your property. If either were the case then law enforcement would intervene and this would be a non issue. But I guess that doesn’t help your narrative does it? Secondly as you challenge me to familiarize myself with the law, let’s discuss how your video completely contradicts the law as you claim that hunters who are exercising RtR are not required to identify themselves. Quote “Any person who goes on prohibited lands to retrieve his dogs, falcons, hawks, or owls pursuant to this section and who willfully refuses to identify himself when requested by the landowner or his agent to do so is guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.” Maybe you should familiarize yourself before trying to push such a false narrative. I’m a Virginia land owner. I know my community. Virginia has great, responsible, helpful, law abiding hunters. The hunting community as a whole needs to be united as all of our rights will be stripped away if we are not careful. Instead people like you want to shine a bad light on one group because you have a different view. Your video is a biased attempt to cancel something because it doesn’t suit you. It’s misleading, misinformation and a flat out lie. You and your interviewees are the minority and do not speak for the rest of Virginia landowners.
@@TheTylerRoachdo you mean the part where they have to identify themselves but not show you an ID? They can say their name is Mickey Mouse and you have no other way to prove otherwise. How about the part where a majority are more than likely concealed carrying with not knowing what type of hostile land owner they may come upon. How about how they don’t even have to prove the dogs are on your land? For a group that acts red nothing about using my land as communal property is red or having a lack of accountability for a group that pushes the dogs through 20 days of a 42 day season? Kirby is gonna love when the complaints go to over 5k at the end of January with the new complaint tracking system implemented. Once this case leaves the Virginia Supreme Court and goes federal it will get repealed. How about they put to to a vote at the state level next election and then we can get a grasp on the amount of people that think it’s acceptable since apparently it’s a small percentage that don’t. RTR was put into law in 1938 there were less than 25k deer in the state back then. This was put in place people chasing foxes on horseback.
This is a problem that young men, my generation, will fix. We’re done.
What a joke 😂😂😂
Sometimes. The gps goes no single. These landowner donot know the differences dogs cannot read signs
This guys from Virginia for sure with that grammar.
Me mad that me not gps no single from air me not able read spell
Clearly, we should be less worried about the dogs literacy level and inability to read signs, and focus the concern on the owners. 😳yikes! Word salad!
@@connorlee333😂😂😂
What a mouth breather you are
Ha too funny. All of these people complaining about a dog running across your little piece of property. Just like you we pay taxes not only on our own land but we also pay taxes on the land we lease. DOGS CANNOT READ. YES we use GPS to locate them. So now your telling me to shock and abuse my dog just because he or she is crossing your property. What a joke.
Since you pay taxes on the land you lease that means you should be allowed to let your dogs run all over every else’s land? That’s some logic. I think you may have been dropped on your head
No one is telling you to “shock and abuse” your dogs. Controlling your dogs and being able to call them off is part of the hunt. What you’re saying is the same as, I didn’t poach that deer, my gun did. Your logic is invalid and doesn’t make sense. No one is trying to take away dog hunting, but asking for hunter and their dogs to stay off property they don’t have business being on.
So who is going to take up the slack in land leases if your attempt at banning dogs is successful? If you think a tree farmer is going to let you ammend the soil to a point food plots are in abundance for still hunting you are highly mistaken, so that leads to the legislationthat will follow using taxpayer dollars to cover those losses. The right to retrieve is there with strict restrictions on how you can retrieve your dogs and any hunter doing so will not be armed as per the rule. This video is highly missleading and is another example of a handful of individuals that become land owners attempting to sway the entire tradition in their favor. You should have really done your complete research on the topic instead of just coming at it from the emotional standpoint.
You are incorrect in your statement bashing Chase. You’re just another sycophant looking to hunt other people’s land that you don’t pay a mortgage or property taxes on. Basically, you’re nothing more than a cheap leech!
Gay.
I catch a dog hunting my land it will not leave my property !! Dog hunters know what they doing whe they let the dogs out of the dog box .& the same goes for any hunters i catch on my land !! Why cant we just all get along because dog hunters think they're above the law !!
Felony buddy
Where do you own property in? What county ?
What a class act. You’re either implying the theft or murder of someone else’s dog. You must think you are above the law! Maybe you are the problem.
Cat got your tongue? I guess you don’t want to further incriminate yourself? Hopefully everyone will save a photo of your comments here so that when any dog in your area goes missing, these damning threats can be passed on to law enforcement.
The hunters think they’re above the law, but you’re admitting to illegally detaining people who aren’t breaking the law? What an idiot. 😂
Next time you should interview bearhunter3 as he admits his dogs stay loose till they kill a bear or he picks them up in the highway. I bet thousands of acres of posted private land are ransacked by his hounds in the meantime. I also bet he relies on running game off posted property as his year around turning loose on the land he has permission to hunt has turned that property into a game desert. He also stated in the event a landowner objects to his trespassing he just does it anyway. His comments clearly show why you made the video and why hound hunting needs to change if it is to continue.