Nioh is HARDCORE! Ninja Gaiden DNA, Not Just another "Dark Souls CLONE" || Game Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2019
- Nioh, by Team Ninja, is one of my favorite games from the past four years. This game has received some love since it was released, but having read reviews and seen comments about the game, I also wanted to put out my individual perspective on Nioh and how it can be played more like a 3D action title, rather than just an action RPG. I also explain that interesting connection between Team Ninja and Dark Souls.
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Ninja Gaiden 2 video:
• Ninja Gaiden 2 is a Mi...
The end of the vid commentary gets out of sync with gameplay slightly, but I don't think it's a big deal. 
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Really nice informative video! I love the format of you doing the talking with the cam + the hand cam & gameplay recorded beforehand. Nioh is on my list to get soon, and I didn't have any idea about its Ninja Gaiden legacy so that's pretty cool! Thanks for the video.
Glad to hear it :-) thanks for watching :-D
I feel like people don’t realize that Team Ninja made 16 Gaiden Games before FromSoft released Demon’s Souls
For sure!!!
Can you elaborate? Haha.
@@alexandermckay9521 look it up.
@@FrostRare I’m already familiar with everything they’ve made, that won’t answer my question. Would rather just communicate with a human.
@@FrostRare FromSoftware worked on games like Tenchu and Otogi for PS2 and Xbox, respectively, before Team Ninja did those Ninja Gaiden games. Otogi is very souls-like for an early 00s hack n slash.
Just started playing Nioh after getting through some of my game backlog (PS5 Demon's Souls). I started the genre with Bloodborne, then Dark Souls 3, then Demon's Souls. Nioh, crushed me, like all other souls games at the beginning where I "quit" for a bit. Upon return, I usually get through the entire game and that's what happened here with Nioh. I utilized the spear from the beginning to the end. I'm sad more people won't get to experience the game. After the beating the story I'm now on Nioh 2, and I am absolutely hooked. Love the series.
Yeah I m still a huge fan of this game, it s too bad gaming is so come and these days and people will probably just pass right over the game.
I played through all the game missions and the DLC. Never did the new game plus stuff, but I felt like it was never really for me. I love the combat system, and the ki pulse and stances are brilliant. What really killed this for me was the fact that the whole game just has a super tedious loot treadmill, where I never felt like I was getting anywhere with the equipment and drops, and instead forced to deal with literally hundreds of pieces of useless weapons and armor. Loot and crafting systems are my kryptonite, and the entire progression system of the game is based around that. There are some complaints to be made about small enemy variety and reused levels, but thats not such a big problem.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment :-D That is an interesting point that I wish I had thought to talk about in the video. So what I actually do when I play (and I know where you are coming from) is that I quickly sort my items by weight, find the armor that weighs the least and gives the most armor. After that, I then tribute all of the remaining items for experience. I do this with my weapons as well (except sorting them by level). The money system, in my opinion, is sort of pointless and you are much better off just tributing all your loot for exp (you also gain a ton of elixirs this way). Ha, probably not the "proper" way to play, but I've found it to be fast and effective.
there are options for mass disassemple or sale or offer. may be you were trying to dispose one by one.
Man I hope you’ve gotten over this “issue” by now and realized how much progression there actually is (esp by nioh2)
Im a huge FromSoft fan but the second I picked up Nioh I never looked back. It makes me laugh when people say that Sekiro has the best combat system because it is actually more a kin to using a Bop It. Nioh has the greatest combat in any game (imo) because it incorporates the very methodical deliberate weighty feel of dark Souls and the fast frenetic & ferocious speed of NG. Nioh is top 10 greatest of all time point blank period.
And you have more options than just being handicapped to 1 gimmick. I swear fromsoftware has degraded gaming when miyazaki took the helm.
@@BboySquidfoot Yes!!!!! How is a parry mechanic innovation????? Parry Parry Sidestep Mario Jump on the head finishing blow 🫤
Good explanation of Nioh. Dark Souls 1 was inspired by Ninja Gaiden gameplay and difficulty. It was made before DS. The NG games and Nioh 1 is still one of my favorite games today. I don’t consider Nioh a souls game honestly. Sekiro was also inspired by Nioh in my opinion. A lot of similarities.
Absolutely nerves!! I still like nioh 1 the best of the souls genre or whatever it s called ha. And it s funny how that cycle of influence has worked :-)
Ok. I feel like now, to watch the Ninja Gaiden 2 video, before i watch this video.
Awesome! I think that's a good way to go about things :-D
Looking forward to a Nioh 2, or Sekiro review !
The really liked Nioh 1 but never played 2- is N2 better that the first? But NG2 is still better than Nioh1+2 right?
Nioh2 is tenfold better than nioh1, and imo the goat game
are you playing this on steam? would you recommend the pc version over the ps4 version?
The pc and ps4 versions are interchangeable in terms of preference. However I'd recommend PS4 since the pc menu controls are really iffy and the user experience is really bad for pc controls
Nioh is my favorite Team Ninja game so far. I thought the 3-stance system was brilliant and added so many interesting layers to the combat. Making the decisions to choose high/mid/low stance brought some great strategy to the combat. They did the whole posture break mechanic as a core aspect of the game even before Sekiro did years later.
I liked it more than Nioh 2 which leans a little too much on the elemental magic/yokai transformation stuff which I didn't like about the original. I also prefer to play a fully designed protagonist rather than a custom build-your-own-hero mute.
I put at least 200 hours in Nioh
I do love Nioh I just wish it didn’t have as much of a focus on loot and rpg mechanics.
Just ignore them lol
You mention Z targeting. A while ago I wondered if the Zelda devs took inspiration from the very earliest 3d fighting games to keep combat 1 on 1, but have it attached to the z button.
came here for an explanatio of the "you need to grind to play nioh like ninja gaiden" i heard once;
apparently there s abilities youu unlock with said grind that make it play closest to ninja gaiden
found it ruclips.net/video/slhKLHv22UE/видео.html
I found myself playing very differently between Nioh 1 and 2.
Nioh 2 WANTS you to play and experiment with cancels, tech, and yokai abilities to defeat enemies. It just has an even higher skill ceiling now that you can cancel your animations with burst counters and yokai abilities.
But going back to Nioh 1? You dont have these sick cancels and Burst counters. It made me utilize flash attacks, jutsus, and weapon skills alot more. Its more of a numbers game in my experience
the game really just clicks when you stop playing it as just another dark souls.
Why can't they bring this game to Xbox
Contracts probably :-(
Nioh felt cheap and unbalanced to me. I'm playing NG Black for the second time and going to replay 2 when done. I didn't try Nioh 2. Maybe I will or go back to it after NG. The combat wasn't the problem. It just seemed like everything was rushed in terms of enemy and level design. I was getting frustrated losing and nothing kept me playing. Just lost interest.
Git gud scrub.
@@BboySquidfoot I didn't quit because it was hard. I quit because the game wasn't interesting anymore. Too many enemy reskins and everything felt the same like I was in NG+ before I beat the final boss. I play From Software games and Ninja Gaiden. I don't like this game enough to put time in it. Feels like I've already seen all it has to offer.
Play nioh2. It is a candidate for greatest sequel improvement of all time
I really don't see why you're so hung up about Dark Souls' combat, it's not the best part of that game & it's really not that special, the variety of weapons, the superb level design & world, with the methodical combat along with it's online component lends itself some emergent gameplay that makes the whole experience very immersive, & this immersive quality is what makes it special. Combat alone doesn't make a game great.
Here comes the fromsoftware brain rot brigade. "Hurrdurr muh level dersyne arnd looooore... Hidetaka miyazaki bone me plssszzzz."
@@BboySquidfoot believe me, Dark Souls lends itself a very special experience looking at it holistically, not that I'd expect you to understand any of this but oh well..
It's too bad all of those who copied dark souls forgot that dark souls is a sum of its parts.
Most soulslikes take the slower clunkier combat, bonfires and difficulty but in turn forget the actual good level design, worldbuilding, and atmosphere. That's my issue with dark souls combat. How its trendy to copy it and shove into every action game without understanding what actually made dark souls good in the first place.
@@chozochiefxiii3298 copy cats are inevitable when the formula is easy to replicate it's most fundamental aspects, look at Halo for instance, it set the precedent for console shooters, the two weapon limit, vehicles, hp regenration, etc. All of that had a clear purpose & design & clones like CoD just copied it without thinking, turning it into a glorified whack a mole for lowest common denominators.
Tbf he did say he doesn’t like rpg/exploration…
-facepalm- I’m sorry to say it’s just dark souls with ninjas not a ninja gaiden “clone” that’s massive disrespect bro. Ninja gaiden is a fast action game and extremely hard nioh is a lot more slow paced and doesn’t rlly follow the same aspects which is why ppl call it a dark souls clone it has a stamina bar maybe it had a different magic system then dark souls but at the end of the day all of its aspects dispute it being made by the same company that made ninja gaiden they have rlly nothing in common when u go in depth. Nioh is just dark souls with its magic system copying ninja gaiden’s ninpo system but in terms of action and difficulty nioh completely falls short of it.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying it’s a dark souls clone as in it copies the shit in its entirety what I’m saying by comparison they are the same nioh will sadly not rlly compare to ninja gaiden it would have to entirely remove its dark souls comparisons completely and become fast pace combat to be a ninja gaiden clone but I doubt team ninja would do that as that would make ninja gaiden meaningless if there’s a game with the same type of action by their company
Considering I ve played the ninja gaiden games for hundreds of hours at this point and am working on a master ninja clear of ng2 for the channel, I am well aware of the differences between the two ha. But you cannot deny the ninja gaiden mechanics that made their way into nioh that separated it from dark souls
If nioh is slow paced it’s because *youre* slow paced
I have a question, are the enemies in Ninja Gaiden smarter at higher difficulty levels? is this total bullshit?>
Why difficulty levels in games?
After all, if the opponent only has more HP but is equally stupid on hard and normal. So why the difficulty level?
Sekiro is the best imo.
I felt when I was fighting Genichiro that in the second fight he changed his tactics on me, changed his strategy, changed everything I knew about him at the beginning and it was brilliant.
Games don't need a level of difficulty, just creativity.
When you get beaten up by someone in real life, you change your tactics to defeat him, and you don't suddenly artificially increase your HP, right?
Yeah keep hiding behind a parry scrub.
Ninja Gaiden on higher difficulties, with Ninja Gaiden Black it literally replaces enemies with upgraded enemies either exclusive to higher difficulties or later game enemies. Some enemies get new moves, some do get tougher, but for the most part, their hp doesn't go up much outside bosses specifically. For Ninja Gaiden 2 the xbox 360 version, they generally increase the enemy count and put higher quality enemies.
It isn't just increasing hp and damage. Although Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 does do hp and damage inflation.
At least in nioh2 the enemies get much harder and more aggressive as you progress. Sekiro can’t touch playing nioh2 late depths while underleveled or simply not overpowered, and honestly even if you are, save for a couple really obscure builds which enable a lame playstyle. But you aren’t going to just “stumble upon” them or anything. The game will force you think, react, and reassess your approach until you become a true Nioh.
@@stolensentience DOTW, DOTN and Underworld I like for the remixed enemies and new gear, but tbh, by the depths I feel like I've put way too much time into farming gear or lapis to a point that's draining especially when once you get the depths I guess you're not necessarily required to but, you're really really incentivized to farm oyatsumi just for the depths which is kind of annoying.
The higher difficulties do a lot of things right, but endgame feels way too grindy in Nioh for me. The idea that difficulty levels in game are "artificial difficulty" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard though.
@@Kiensai I never touched oya and I’ve beaten depths solo with no sloth or anything like that at least 50x. There’s tons of viable builds but I agree their hp is high and you better have good defense or damage. I run a crit build which feels amazing since I already played it like ninja gaiden and now it’s even more so. I can beat any of the bosses in under 2 min so I feel the balance is perfect if the player is willing to engage with the systems and tools provided. I promise if you take a break and return you will have a reinvigorated drive for the game. Anything that feels cheap has a way to be countered once you find the right tool.
I’ve played thousands of hours and the game only gets fresher by the session. I don’t hesitate in calling it the greatest single player game ever devised. It can simply play any way you’d want an action game to play, plus it has co op. The perfect game.