The Memphis Grizzlies is the TRUTH....They haven't been fully healthy and they are 2nd in the West.The bench is Top 3 and they have won almost half of there games without Ja!!!They can go 15 deep without a sweatThis team is built for next man up mentality.
@@trueprophets4704I suppose it’s semantics but I wouldn’t call him elite on offense. He’s good to very good. Definitely elite on defense though. But he’s not a top tier offensive player like he is as a defensive player.
Didn’t Swipa just 2 weeks ago attack pen for using defensive stats to defend a Luka vs trae young argument, but is now uplifting Jokics defense using those same analytics and saying there now valid for Luka for the sake of being consistent 😂 that’s so crazy, and the double standards are real. Arguing against Marz proves that there isnt fair treatment between Jokic and the rest of the league. The glazing will stop and switch to extreme hate if he loses or misses the playoffs which is also dumb.
Its a weird world where somehow pointing out a flaw of a player (a very very valid flaw) can be deemed as nitpicking or not important. but only for one person
Ik it must be very annoying & tiring but pls keep calling the bs out, especially about jokic since we talk about him the most atp it can’t always be positive lmao
Swipe just likes to exist in environments where everyone around him agrees with him about Jokic when he comes to pc and he meets someone like marz who is knowledgeable and can disagree he starts saying “this conversation is useless “
@@justinjohnson861against the wolves ln the playoffs it was a layup line for Ant in most of those games against the nuggets and didn’t get much criticism for it, but luka got maligned and killed by the media in the finals for his defense.
@@abtocool6350to be fair, the finals are going to have bigger eyes and critics on them. Jokic and the Nuggets got torched for losing to the timber wolves, as a nuggets fan the amount of times I had to deal with people sending me that gobert hook shot is enough for me to never want to see Rudy ever again.
@@BIGOXMedia Respect to you. I don't always agree with your takes but you at least attempt to hold players accountable. Had to fight tooth and nail to acknowledge that maybe a center shouldn't be free eats at the rim
Dude needs to get a real job. On here talking about the Grizzlies depending on an injury prone star while defending the Lakers who depend on AD was wildly Ironic and it was completely lost on him.
Yall should just watch more grizz… they’re deep af avg most bench point in league, finally got a good offense and only lost 1 game when 3 best players are healthy. Availability will always be a question but that’s the same for everyone. Thunder Dallas Grizz in tier of their own
No consistency with Ron. He can overlook the fact that Jokic can't defend because he's providing all-time great offense, but Luka does essentially the same thing and he won't give Luka that same grace. Jokic gets a pass but Luka gets criticized. I hope you know that means Ron holds Luka to a higher standard than Jokic.
His logic is Jokic is doing everything he could physically possibly. He thinks Jokic is not capable of moving his body like that which is fair. Luka issue always has been his second effort, Jokic give you all that though
luka not on the level of player jokic is 0x mvp 0x fmvp 0x champion jokic's name was dragged through the mud 24/7 cuz he couldnt win with caspazzo, barton and morris while luka was glazed since rookie year until jokic won a championship in dominant fashion tell your boy to stack some hardware before you demand 3x mvp 1x fmvp 1x champion treatment
@ggrlyggrly4476 winning MVPs and a chip doesn't exclude you from criticism, especially fair criticism. Jokic is the best player in the NBA and the best offensive player, Luka isn't far behind. Luka in his own right is a top 5 player at worst and the 2nd best offensive player in the league, also giving you all-time great offensive value. Neither him nor Jokic are good defenders, yet apparently Jokic gets a pass for his lack
@jeremiahsmith7706 magic was a horrible defender but he played with multiple hall of famers and top 3 all time players + he won a bunch of rings so people give him a pass Jokic WHEN he doesn't have to generate 60-80% of nuggets offense is a positive defender but none of it matters cuz on the biggest stage jokic won and his defense wasn't exploited while luka lost and his defense was exposed Trust me if mavs won nobody would be talking about luka's defense even if he was the worst defender in history(hypothetical)
@ggrlyggrly4476 you win as a team, not an individual. Saying jok gets a pass because he won is disgusting. Fact is, he's a bad defender and it's even move apparent because he isn't winning.
The biggest difference for the grizz on offense comes from Tuomas Iisalo who they got whos won titles in Europe and came in and implemented his system on off. Its been huge. And most fans have no idea.
@MarzTalksSports hell yeah he does. The real question is do you think he could be a head coach sometime sooner than later! Bc I can't recall a euro guy getting it besides the David blatt hiring and firing. This dudes destined to be a head coach if you ask me.
People think Memphis is a one player team last year it was a lot of players on Memphis team hurt so when they came back i wasn't surprised they was giong to be winning and they still got two more players thats hurt now they will be back by mark or April if they stay healthy they giong to be a problem plus they are deep
Not Deion he fucking sucks. Idgaf how much one loves a player. A “you can’t tell me nothing bout this guy” type of person should not be on this show. especially if that guy is Jordan or Bron, because their fans are the worst fanbases in basketball culture.
I think Jokic gets hate because of guys like swipa and ron. He gets passes dor being a bad defender because he has moments when he’s good or physically he cant do it, he gets passes for selling in the clutch because he also has clutch moments. Swipa the other day made a whole post about Giannis missing that three and the free throw but the FOLLOWING night the nuggets were down 8 in the fourth and jokic missed two free throws, two more shots and a turnover and swipa was mute. Shit he gets away with no other star ever has gotten away with.
Yeah I wish people wouldnt just over glaze because a player is bad at something. I dont think Jokic is a horrible defender all the way. Swipa was capping about jokic contesting, he hardly contests but he’s good at swiping. He’s mostly bad at p&r and rim protection but he’s serviceable in other areas. Every player has flaws
Anytime Swipa talks about Luka in the Finals, it’s “he was just getting blown by” then when Marz said the scheme was to funnel players to the rim protection he wasn’t hearing it. But Jokic is free lunch at the rim and that’s cool.
The fact people sit with a straight face and say that Shai had a better season than luka last year is crazy. He was my Mvp last year. As of now i think Luka is top 5 in the mvp ladder for me. But we seem to brush his name under the carpet since the finals.
@abtocool6350 i think marz might disagree with him. But he is kind of tired of defending Luka and i get him. Not this season but overall Luka is a top 3 player in the nba but he gets treated like some next man.
@@Fab_rice95 yeah the panel is Anti luka besides marz and I don’t really get the vibe that Ron is a luka hater, he criticizes his defense but he’s not extremely critical of luka like the others on him.
@MarzTalksSports also Marz, I don't think they understand the point you were making about the narrative around Jokic's defense. The same guy on the panel who hates the "participation trophy" logic, when it comes to defense, will completely ignore the results and only look at the effort (participation) being given and then give Jokic a chance to breathe because of all the good things he does. Yet, he won't give Luka that same benefit of the doubt even though the same argument can be made. It's ridiculous, and I see why you were getting frustrated.
Don't Worry Memphis.."EVERYBODY AND EVERYONE HATES THE GRIZZLIES!" Just Use That As A Chip...."A BIG AZZ CHIP!!" And Just Keep BALLIN' OUT! "GO GRIZZLIES!" 🐾🐾
1:07:32 this is why so many lakers fans had a problem with LeBron coming to the team. It’s not him it’s the people who will cap either way for him swipa is only saying this because his team beat the lakers so much
Mind you, Swipa and his nuggets friends were running the nastiest anti-Giannis agenda for the past three years, but now he wants to act like he's always been defending Giannis. Swiper is a hilarious individual
1.they are not even half a player jokic is, 2.they played in the era where guy shooting 35-40% from the field was considered the next goat 3.were never considered best in the world at any point 4. jokic is the best offensive player in nba history but doesnt get credit for it, so if people not gonna credit his offense you can't critique his defense either cuz compared to jokic everyone's else's offensive game is dog water but they never get criticism for it eg steph has no post game, average mid range, terrible playmaker(by all time standards), cant grab offensive boards, shrinks in the clutch due to reliance on difficult shots, average Basketball IQ(by all time standards) shaq; no mid range, no 3s, no free throws, no playmaking, average Basketball IQ, doesn't engage entire opposing team on defense(only those who defend the paint) both are considered all time offensive players but have whole bag of offensive flaws that jokic doesn't but people ain't gonna critique them on a necessary level because of nostalgia so if you gonna reduce jokic's offensive game to points/rebounds/assists then i will reduce jokic's defensive game to steals/blocks/deflections seems fair to me
Jokic stans are just as bad as LeBron stans but y’all aren’t ready for that convo. Jokic stans treat Giannis, Luka, and Embiid like they’re trash at basketball. LeBron’s at least show more respect to people like KD and Curry.
@@kendrickjenkins96im not even talking about that im just saying 90% of the time when bron fans talk about steph and kd its either in jordan convos or hating on em
I think the disconnect is Swipa keeps saying “what else is Jokić supposed to do, best start to a season ever, theres literally nothing he more he could do, what do people want from him” Outside of trolling, we don’t want anything more. Everybody *understands* that he’s the best player on Earth in a really bad situation. It sucks for him. He can’t really do anything more. That doesn’t mean he’s the MVP though. How many other players have been in similar situations where the fanbases were screaming “WHAT MORE IS HE SUPPOSED TO DO” and the response was “tough luck buddy, win more.” For example look up Luka’s averages in the month of December-January in both 2022-23 and 2023-24, both times with mediocre rosters due to roster construction or being racked with injuries. He averaged almost a *50 point triple double* during the end of December 2022. Both of these stretches include *60-20-10* and *73 points on 33 shots* (with the Win by the way). And he was NEVER really given any grace or serious consideration as an MVP *because it was generally accepted you can’t win MVP being in the play in race* People want consistency, that’s all. We know it’s subjective and narratives each year but at least *try* to make it look fair. 1:39:16 sums it up for the rest of us who don’t have Jokić as our franchise player. For the record Luka isn’t the MVP right now I think it’s probably SGA.
So jokic is allowed to be bad at defense because “we already know he’s bad” but Luka who we also “already know he’s bad” that’s all we talk about The ONLY thing we talk about for Luka no one except Marz praises Luka at all all we hear is “Luka bad at defense therefore he’s a bum” even tho Luka has quick hands, is a good post defender but again we give Luka no credit but Jokic having fast hands he gets so much credit it’s so crazy how the standard changes for jokic it’s actully insane. Swipa who says Jokic is a good defender based of the depm stat of 1.5 and that’s it but that same swipa will tell you Luka is a bad defender with that same stat of 1.4 so just shows his bias he cherry picks stats for his king the guy he gets on his knees for he’s never brought that stat up for Luka but to defend his king he’ll do it
luka never won a mvp luka never won a championship luka never won a finals mvp luka got exposed in the finals luka couldnt make the playoffs with kyrie luka not even top 30 all time player jokic was slandered ever since the bubble for not winning with caspazzo, barton morris and rivers while winning mvps and it took 16/4 30/13/9 playoff run to stop the slander and here come entitled luka stans demanding that 0x mvp 0x fmvp 0x champion gets treated the same as jokic but i didnt hear you lot call out your own hypocrisy when media was glazing luka ever since the rookie year, I didnt hear no pushback when nick wright put luka in top 50 all time while leaving out 2x mvp jokic
@ I mean I comapred pc to the media but sure I do agree Luka does have glazers but again on pc specifically Luka gets almost no praise on pc idk how media has anything to do with it? Sure if Luka not winning a mvp championship all the stuff is why we can’t praise him I don’t wanna no praise for anyone in the league besides lebron steph kd jokic Giannias embid since Those are the only people who deserve praise
@TheSage1123 giannis was treated unfairly till he won Jokic was treated unfairly till he won (Didn't make top 75 with 2x mvps, never discussed in BITW by mainstream media until the ring) Jokic and the nuggets made history coming back back to back from 3-1 against title favourites and were forgotten Ant won 2 playoff series with 3 all defense role players, all star and 4x dpoy and everyone was calling him the next michael jordan At the end of the day winners have their flaws overlooked while losers are examined under a microscope Jokic put up 34/19/7 with 14th quarter points in game 7 but he lost so people called him choker Ant put up 16/8/7 point on 6/24 but he won so he "outplayed" jokic
Jason Tatum Been My Favourite Player Since his Rookie Year!…He ain’t F$&@ing with Pierce!…But Honestly it comes Down to Era Tax (Pierce is Averaging 33+ in this Era)!…Pierce the Way Better Shooter, Scorer & Way More Consistent!…Tatum is ONLY More Versatile & the Better Defender!…”Paul Pierce the MotherF$&@ing TRUTH”!…
Marz likes to argue so much he convinced himself they were disagreeing with him. If I’m the best player in the league you can’t tell me anything about anything.
@ that’s reality. If your production is as good as his, we tend to not over critique. Also happens with ring culture, the difference between some players being top 10 and top 15-20 could be a ring. It doesn’t make sense but imma keep the same energy with him
@MarzTalksSports and some people are basically saying “we gotta something negative about him it can’t be all positive” that’s just as bad. It means you not interested in truth.. you(not you you, people) just want to make sure you don’t “glaze”
Its crazy cuz I predicted we would be an elite offense (biased a bit🤏🏾) but that was because I thought Zach provided a bully in the paint and GG would feel gaps. Us being this good despite Zach’s struggles and GG being out is wild to me and I LOVE IT
Valid jokic slander really bothers swipa 😂 as grown men we gotta get out this whole “agenda” phase. Especially the negative ones. Shit just corny at a certain age.
I dont understand how some of the panelist disagreed with Marz on the critism around joker. Like Marz i think he is the best player in the nba. But his close rivals get critiqued more on their flaws than him. Luka is worst defensively than him but look at how chill, Swipa, some of the panel members like to flogg him on it every time they get the chance. Giannis lack of jump shot get Highlighted on a regular, but Joker Rim protection dont get mentioned because "we knows this already", what kind of logic is that? Since i started watching BB it's the 1st time where the best player doesnt get nick picked on his deficiencies.
Draymond cooking Rudy just let me know Ox was right. If Jaden McDaniels get Sengun on an island he better get in that BAG. If Draymond can cook Rudy ain't no excuse! L Mathsketball
Steph set a good screen. But to your and my point if you got a big man backpedaling you should always attack them and make them make a stop. Especially if it’s JMac being guarded by Alp Sengun. That’s just basketball 101, can’t believe I even had to explain that.
The Lakers fan talking about relying on one player when the Lakers are bottom feeders this year without a 40 year old. Even AD fell off the MVP convo, and he's someone I hope and pray JJJ resembles later in his career
But with that being said I still empathize somehow because it must be hard to have processed things a certain way your entire life and have most of your beliefs (about anything) be debunked and factually proven to be flawed on a daily basis. So I get why some things he says aren’t even challenged cause that’d run him off the show and nobody wants that.
Does anyone know why they got rid of open gym idk if they ever explained it but if this is the only content they putting out it becomes unbearable to listen to sometimes
@@BIGOXMedia GIANNIS WANTED NO BUSINESS WITH JIMMY WHEN HE WAS PACKING YOU UP, I THOUGHT GIANNIS COULD GUARD 1-5? WHERE WAS GIANNIS'S DEFENSE AT? ALL THIS DPOY DEFENSE AND HE CANT GET OUT 1ST ROUND FOR 3 YEARS STRAIGHT, KINDA SOFT AND WEAK IF YOU ASK ME MY EYES MUST HAVE BEEN DECIEVING ME CUZ SURELY I DIDNT SEE GIANNIS COST HIS TEAM PLAYOFF GAMES BY TURNING THE BALL OVER IN THE LAST MINUTE AND PASSING THE BALL IT LIKE IT WAS A HOT POTATO CUZ OUTSIDE HE CANT SCORE OUTSIDE 10 FEET
@@ggrlyggrly4476in 2022 they lost to the celtics in 7 games in the east semis not first round. 2023 only played 2 games after got injured early in game 1 and idk if giannis chose not to guard Jimmy or it was coach bud who wanted Jrue on him. 2024 he missed the playoffs. So you just said a bunch of bs.
@@RMusing1. being healthy is part of your value as a player 2. Tatum outplayed giannis 3. Giannis got sent to cancun in back to back seasons round 1 so this is his third year 4. Giannis can only guard 4-5 and is a horrific perimeter defender
These guys have a basketball show and all of a sudden can't give predictions on a conference just because it's competitive? Corny. PC falling off, gotta find something else to watch.
@@BIGOXMedia jokic 32.3(2nd)/13.6(1st)/10.2(2nd) on 56/51/81 65%TS 6.8FTA giannis 32.5(1st)/11.6(5th)/6.2(21th) on 61/20/61 63%TS 11FTA DOESNT INCLUDE 5 MAJOR ADVANCED STATS ( JOKIC 1ST IN ALL 5, GIANNIS FLOATS BETWEEN 2-10TH RANGE) GIANNIS HAS SIGNIFICANT EDGE IN DEFENSE BUT WORSE RECORD IN THE WEAKER CONFERENCE WITH BETTER SUPPORTING CAST
Ja morant isnt even the best player on his team this year. He also has been playing with limited minutes. I think Memphis will be at least top 7 if they can stay healthy.
the whole lebron “saving“ the lakers point is strictly off wins and losses cause pre bron we had one of the best young cores n the league FACT, and would have kept getting better now we obviously don’t win a championship when we do but we keep piling assets and we already had crazy media coverage with lonzo being drafted and i really think we only would have gotten better as time when on
Man you have no idea about basketball if you think a young deep team is going to fall off but an old thin team can play 82 games. Stop being a fan and be an analyst.
Hell no lmaaaao 🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣😂. Dwade is averaging 10 fts and close to 20 points in the paint in this era , way better passer and play making as well … ant is a better 3 points shooter
@ true hes a better shooter i think ant can become as good a playmaker wade was better playmaker at this age but the difference isnt as crazy as u think who would u compare him too?
@@Sharko-v7vant is a shorter tmac whose more active on the defensive end .. , wat dwade was doing in terms of getting to the rim was just on a whole different level when it comes to his relentlessness and reading defenses .
@@Heemkeem_9 i get it wades peak was among the best ever his speed and relentlessness was something special ants first step isnt as fast but if ant wanted to play like wade im certain he could its just a different league now not to mention he plays with rudy and randle how many times wade getting to the basket with those two on the court? Give ant js a little more time the dwade comparison might end up being the most accurate
@@Sharko-v7vbrother .., the game is still 3 times more spaced out than it was in 06-2010 🤣😂😂 if shai or Ja played on the wolves rn they would both get to the rim a lot more than ant … ant is very athletic but he’s not elite at navigating how to get to the rim . U can argue dwade is the best driver of all time
It's weird when Jokic is a top candidate for MVP when '06 Kobe wasn't while being in the same predicament with less help. Could Joker take Smush and Kwame to a game 7 in the playoffs?
The Grizz are the opposite of a one player team.
They're the definition of a TEAM.
The Memphis Grizzlies is the TRUTH....They haven't been fully healthy and they are 2nd in the West.The bench is Top 3 and they have won almost half of there games without Ja!!!They can go 15 deep without a sweatThis team is built for next man up mentality.
1000%. Heavy contributors throughout the entire rotation
Right and dude called Jaren a supporting cast 😂😂. Jaren is a star and the best player because of his elite offense and defense
@@trueprophets4704I suppose it’s semantics but I wouldn’t call him elite on offense. He’s good to very good. Definitely elite on defense though. But he’s not a top tier offensive player like he is as a defensive player.
Grizzles have a legit 14 players that can get you 15+ points on any given night!
Then bro saying lakers finna finish top 7😂
Didn’t Swipa just 2 weeks ago attack pen for using defensive stats to defend a Luka vs trae young argument, but is now uplifting Jokics defense using those same analytics and saying there now valid for Luka for the sake of being consistent 😂 that’s so crazy, and the double standards are real. Arguing against Marz proves that there isnt fair treatment between Jokic and the rest of the league. The glazing will stop and switch to extreme hate if he loses or misses the playoffs which is also dumb.
Swipa is a hypocrite
Because jokic is better than Luka. How old are you? As a man you get more leeway the better you are at something
If you haven’t noticed by now Swipa holds all the top 4 players other than Jokic by different standards than he does Jokic.
@@officerricky3230 Ig? So why didn’t that apply to Lebron, Kd, or Steph, and even if that is true that still doesn’t make it right
Everyone knows @swipacam is a glaze artist
Its a weird world where somehow pointing out a flaw of a player (a very very valid flaw) can be deemed as nitpicking or not important. but only for one person
Ik it must be very annoying & tiring but pls keep calling the bs out, especially about jokic since we talk about him the most atp it can’t always be positive lmao
Swipe just likes to exist in environments where everyone around him agrees with him about Jokic when he comes to pc and he meets someone like marz who is knowledgeable and can disagree he starts saying “this conversation is useless “
@@justinjohnson861against the wolves ln the playoffs it was a layup line for Ant in most of those games against the nuggets and didn’t get much criticism for it, but luka got maligned and killed by the media in the finals for his defense.
@@abtocool6350to be fair, the finals are going to have bigger eyes and critics on them. Jokic and the Nuggets got torched for losing to the timber wolves, as a nuggets fan the amount of times I had to deal with people sending me that gobert hook shot is enough for me to never want to see Rudy ever again.
@@Menoman235 I think jokic is the best in the league but I just feel at times narratives and agendas change for him more than anyone else.
Y’all were doing tricks on it to avoid holding Jokic accountable on defense 😂😂. Thank you Chef Marz and Judge Ox
@@AlmightyCBoogie 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
@@BIGOXMedia Respect to you. I don't always agree with your takes but you at least attempt to hold players accountable. Had to fight tooth and nail to acknowledge that maybe a center shouldn't be free eats at the rim
This grizzlies hate is comical. Especially this dude slurping the Lakers.
Don’t tell me that, thought I was in for a rightful glaze session😔 Grizz SZN 〽️
Dude needs to get a real job. On here talking about the Grizzlies depending on an injury prone star while defending the Lakers who depend on AD was wildly Ironic and it was completely lost on him.
Today that lakers dude made you look like an idiot
@ Good regular season W 😂. We’ll see in the playoffs if the lakers even make it there lol
Ima keep saying This Memphis is the deepest team in basketball when healthy
Over the cavs 😮
@@ianclark2785Yes
@ Memphis got like 14 players who can provide so valuable mins, Cleveland has abt 10
Actually really dope episodes when Marz is really involved
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When marz talks more the ep cooks@MarzTalksSports
I Didn't realise i tagged u but yh
Another episode of chill getting cooked for his complete contradictions and lack of consistency - chefs kiss
Been that way for years every since he been on the panel
swipa yells about jokic for an hour every show
Yall should just watch more grizz… they’re deep af avg most bench point in league, finally got a good offense and only lost 1 game when 3 best players are healthy. Availability will always be a question but that’s the same for everyone. Thunder Dallas Grizz in tier of their own
Theyre a really fun team to watch this year
Unfortunately us young teams don’t get love it’s Just Boston, LA and Denver 2 play in teams (I’m Okc)
Can’t criticize Jokic I see. It’s bad you can’t point out flaws but others get discredited.
Anytime dion on the show I know I get a great laugh and he shows you ways to debate I never thought being him on once a week!
Grizzlies lead the league in paint points and points off the bench
No consistency with Ron. He can overlook the fact that Jokic can't defend because he's providing all-time great offense, but Luka does essentially the same thing and he won't give Luka that same grace. Jokic gets a pass but Luka gets criticized. I hope you know that means Ron holds Luka to a higher standard than Jokic.
His logic is Jokic is doing everything he could physically possibly. He thinks Jokic is not capable of moving his body like that which is fair. Luka issue always has been his second effort, Jokic give you all that though
luka not on the level of player jokic is
0x mvp 0x fmvp 0x champion
jokic's name was dragged through the mud 24/7 cuz he couldnt win with caspazzo, barton and morris while luka was glazed since rookie year until jokic won a championship in dominant fashion
tell your boy to stack some hardware before you demand 3x mvp 1x fmvp 1x champion treatment
@ggrlyggrly4476 winning MVPs and a chip doesn't exclude you from criticism, especially fair criticism. Jokic is the best player in the NBA and the best offensive player, Luka isn't far behind. Luka in his own right is a top 5 player at worst and the 2nd best offensive player in the league, also giving you all-time great offensive value. Neither him nor Jokic are good defenders, yet apparently Jokic gets a pass for his lack
@jeremiahsmith7706 magic was a horrible defender but he played with multiple hall of famers and top 3 all time players + he won a bunch of rings so people give him a pass
Jokic WHEN he doesn't have to generate 60-80% of nuggets offense is a positive defender but none of it matters cuz on the biggest stage jokic won and his defense wasn't exploited while luka lost and his defense was exposed
Trust me if mavs won nobody would be talking about luka's defense even if he was the worst defender in history(hypothetical)
@ggrlyggrly4476 you win as a team, not an individual. Saying jok gets a pass because he won is disgusting. Fact is, he's a bad defender and it's even move apparent because he isn't winning.
None of them watch Memphis this is not just the ja show they have a actually team
i think i watch memphis. thanks tho
@ it depend which one is you I think yall need put names under pics
If you are the one top left then yea you watch Memphis
@@gngkris6835 i believe im the cool one with the hoodie and the durag and the exceptional ball knowledge
@@gngkris6835are u new here?
Bro said we not better than the laker lmaoooooooo
Chu got to say now that they took Griz silly ass behind woodshed, G?
The biggest difference for the grizz on offense comes from Tuomas Iisalo who they got whos won titles in Europe and came in and implemented his system on off. Its been huge. And most fans have no idea.
Thankyou for saying his name he deserves so much credit
@MarzTalksSports hell yeah he does. The real question is do you think he could be a head coach sometime sooner than later! Bc I can't recall a euro guy getting it besides the David blatt hiring and firing. This dudes destined to be a head coach if you ask me.
Chill be having dementia arguments. He forgets what side of the argument he’s on mid rant
Let’s never have deion on …. Thank u
Yea you gotta have objective takes. Otherwise no one is going to take yall seriously.
@@Heemkeem_9 learn how to have some fun
@@hoodiemelo3962 these are art to “trolling “ … be somewat witty , funny and don’t over do it for 3 hours
Dion really makes me hate bron 😭😭 and I think bron the goat I see y ppl hate bron it’s fans like him that just do to much
People think Memphis is a one player team last year it was a lot of players on Memphis team hurt so when they came back i wasn't surprised they was giong to be winning and they still got two more players thats hurt now they will be back by mark or April if they stay healthy they giong to be a problem plus they are deep
Respect to Marz for the Luka support.
Damn chills age showed in this one. Saying both players have 50 wins and the response is i care about winning is crazy.
Y’all know how chill be “get em off the floor” tell Dion get off the show😂
Naw keep dion. Yall bipolar, one min its get such and such off the show then its “the show is boring without him”. Keep everyone on the show
Not Deion he fucking sucks. Idgaf how much one loves a player. A “you can’t tell me nothing bout this guy” type of person should not be on this show. especially if that guy is Jordan or Bron, because their fans are the worst fanbases in basketball culture.
I think Jokic gets hate because of guys like swipa and ron. He gets passes dor being a bad defender because he has moments when he’s good or physically he cant do it, he gets passes for selling in the clutch because he also has clutch moments. Swipa the other day made a whole post about Giannis missing that three and the free throw but the FOLLOWING night the nuggets were down 8 in the fourth and jokic missed two free throws, two more shots and a turnover and swipa was mute. Shit he gets away with no other star ever has gotten away with.
Yeah I wish people wouldnt just over glaze because a player is bad at something. I dont think Jokic is a horrible defender all the way. Swipa was capping about jokic contesting, he hardly contests but he’s good at swiping. He’s mostly bad at p&r and rim protection but he’s serviceable in other areas. Every player has flaws
Anytime Swipa talks about Luka in the Finals, it’s “he was just getting blown by” then when Marz said the scheme was to funnel players to the rim protection he wasn’t hearing it. But Jokic is free lunch at the rim and that’s cool.
Shoutout Dion funniest dude in the panel alongside domo
The fact people sit with a straight face and say that Shai had a better season than luka last year is crazy. He was my Mvp last year. As of now i think Luka is top 5 in the mvp ladder for me. But we seem to brush his name under the carpet since the finals.
Yeah swipa saying that is wild and he didn’t even receive any pushback from it😂.
@abtocool6350 i think marz might disagree with him. But he is kind of tired of defending Luka and i get him.
Not this season but overall Luka is a top 3 player in the nba but he gets treated like some next man.
@@Fab_rice95 yeah the panel is Anti luka besides marz and I don’t really get the vibe that Ron is a luka hater, he criticizes his defense but he’s not extremely critical of luka like the others on him.
@@abtocool6350 good assessment. Ron never goes overboard for any players (unless it's Hali or tray 😂😂). His critique is measured.
since apparently I am unable to criticize this one particular man, I must say that this episode was perfect, no flaws, not one.
i think it was a solid episode
@MarzTalksSports I agree good sir
@MarzTalksSports also Marz, I don't think they understand the point you were making about the narrative around Jokic's defense. The same guy on the panel who hates the "participation trophy" logic, when it comes to defense, will completely ignore the results and only look at the effort (participation) being given and then give Jokic a chance to breathe because of all the good things he does. Yet, he won't give Luka that same benefit of the doubt even though the same argument can be made. It's ridiculous, and I see why you were getting frustrated.
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2:49:30
Chill essentially said “I don’t care about winning I care about seeding”
Do bro realize that ja only played have the games n won in those games
Did you guy talk about Cp3 milestone for 2nd All Time Assist?
NO CAUSE HE STILL A BUUMMM
@@BIGOXMedia HATIN AHHH NIGAA COME ON G!!!!
That man earned that, lets give ol boi his flowers while we still can. 😡
1:07:32 this is why so many lakers fans had a problem with LeBron coming to the team. It’s not him it’s the people who will cap either way for him swipa is only saying this because his team beat the lakers so much
Swipa thinks LeBron is the Goat and he has defended him for ages
Ron let Marz talk him out of less for Jakob potel which would’ve been right
Mind you, Swipa and his nuggets friends were running the nastiest anti-Giannis agenda for the past three years, but now he wants to act like he's always been defending Giannis. Swiper is a hilarious individual
You’re in every chat being sensitive every time a Jokic topic is brought up. You’re a Jokic hater
@Icarus_prime ok and?
The Jokic defense thing is so annoying. It’s so many excuses. Hes just not good. I don’t ever see this for a Dirk or Nash
1.they are not even half a player jokic is,
2.they played in the era where guy shooting 35-40% from the field was considered the next goat
3.were never considered best in the world at any point
4. jokic is the best offensive player in nba history but doesnt get credit for it, so if people not gonna credit his offense you can't critique his defense either cuz compared to jokic everyone's else's offensive game is dog water but they never get criticism for it eg
steph has no post game, average mid range, terrible playmaker(by all time standards), cant grab offensive boards, shrinks in the clutch due to reliance on difficult shots, average Basketball IQ(by all time standards)
shaq; no mid range, no 3s, no free throws, no playmaking, average Basketball IQ, doesn't engage entire opposing team on defense(only those who defend the paint)
both are considered all time offensive players but have whole bag of offensive flaws that jokic doesn't but people ain't gonna critique them on a necessary level because of nostalgia
so if you gonna reduce jokic's offensive game to points/rebounds/assists then i will reduce jokic's defensive game to steals/blocks/deflections seems fair to me
They do know the warriors is still the Most valued Team in the league
0-4 on the picks is crazy work
i hate dick
Jokic stans are just as bad as LeBron stans but y’all aren’t ready for that convo. Jokic stans treat Giannis, Luka, and Embiid like they’re trash at basketball. LeBron’s at least show more respect to people like KD and Curry.
bron fans only big up curry and kd to say lebron faced harder competition
But Curry and KD ARE inarguably two top 15-20 players ever lo. That's not bigging them up to boost Bron @@legorovers9838
@@kendrickjenkins96im not even talking about that im just saying 90% of the time when bron fans talk about steph and kd its either in jordan convos or hating on em
i swear bro you can’t say anything about jokic n anyone who you compare him to is inferior garbage
they think dude is a god
You didn’t watch basketball in the 2010s if you seriously think that 😂
Who is the guy in the shades yelling? Dude needs to simmer down and quit all that noise!
Chill got the blower and the ski mask, sniffin gunpowder in an astrovan talkin bout ‘fuck tomorrow’ with the crash out
Seeding bias is so new 😂😂lmao
The jokic glaze and the Hypocriticism from Swipa,Ron,and Chill was nasty
This whole nobidy has ever played as good as Joker?!! What about 84-88 MJ?
Jokic in MJ convos love it
I think the disconnect is Swipa keeps saying “what else is Jokić supposed to do, best start to a season ever, theres literally nothing he more he could do, what do people want from him”
Outside of trolling, we don’t want anything more. Everybody *understands* that he’s the best player on Earth in a really bad situation. It sucks for him. He can’t really do anything more.
That doesn’t mean he’s the MVP though. How many other players have been in similar situations where the fanbases were screaming “WHAT MORE IS HE SUPPOSED TO DO” and the response was “tough luck buddy, win more.”
For example look up Luka’s averages in the month of December-January in both 2022-23 and 2023-24, both times with mediocre rosters due to roster construction or being racked with injuries. He averaged almost a *50 point triple double* during the end of December 2022. Both of these stretches include *60-20-10* and *73 points on 33 shots* (with the Win by the way). And he was NEVER really given any grace or serious consideration as an MVP *because it was generally accepted you can’t win MVP being in the play in race*
People want consistency, that’s all. We know it’s subjective and narratives each year but at least *try* to make it look fair. 1:39:16 sums it up for the rest of us who don’t have Jokić as our franchise player.
For the record Luka isn’t the MVP right now I think it’s probably SGA.
So jokic is allowed to be bad at defense because “we already know he’s bad” but Luka who we also “already know he’s bad” that’s all we talk about The ONLY thing we talk about for Luka no one except Marz praises Luka at all all we hear is “Luka bad at defense therefore he’s a bum” even tho Luka has quick hands, is a good post defender but again we give Luka no credit but Jokic having fast hands he gets so much credit it’s so crazy how the standard changes for jokic it’s actully insane. Swipa who says Jokic is a good defender based of the depm stat of 1.5 and that’s it but that same swipa will tell you Luka is a bad defender with that same stat of 1.4 so just shows his bias he cherry picks stats for his king the guy he gets on his knees for he’s never brought that stat up for Luka but to defend his king he’ll do it
luka never won a mvp
luka never won a championship
luka never won a finals mvp
luka got exposed in the finals
luka couldnt make the playoffs with kyrie
luka not even top 30 all time player
jokic was slandered ever since the bubble for not winning with caspazzo, barton morris and rivers while winning mvps and it took 16/4 30/13/9 playoff run to stop the slander and here come entitled luka stans demanding that 0x mvp 0x fmvp 0x champion gets treated the same as jokic
but i didnt hear you lot call out your own hypocrisy when media was glazing luka ever since the rookie year, I didnt hear no pushback when nick wright put luka in top 50 all time while leaving out 2x mvp jokic
@ I mean I comapred pc to the media but sure I do agree Luka does have glazers but again on pc specifically Luka gets almost no praise on pc idk how media has anything to do with it? Sure if Luka not winning a mvp championship all the stuff is why we can’t praise him I don’t wanna no praise for anyone in the league besides lebron steph kd jokic Giannias embid since Those are the only people who deserve praise
@TheSage1123 giannis was treated unfairly till he won
Jokic was treated unfairly till he won
(Didn't make top 75 with 2x mvps, never discussed in BITW by mainstream media until the ring)
Jokic and the nuggets made history coming back back to back from 3-1 against title favourites and were forgotten
Ant won 2 playoff series with 3 all defense role players, all star and 4x dpoy and everyone was calling him the next michael jordan
At the end of the day winners have their flaws overlooked while losers are examined under a microscope
Jokic put up 34/19/7 with 14th quarter points in game 7 but he lost so people called him choker
Ant put up 16/8/7 point on 6/24 but he won so he "outplayed" jokic
Jason Tatum Been My Favourite Player Since his Rookie Year!…He ain’t F$&@ing with Pierce!…But Honestly it comes Down to Era Tax (Pierce is Averaging 33+ in this Era)!…Pierce the Way Better Shooter, Scorer & Way More Consistent!…Tatum is ONLY More Versatile & the Better Defender!…”Paul Pierce the MotherF$&@ing TRUTH”!…
Marz likes to argue so much he convinced himself they were disagreeing with him. If I’m the best player in the league you can’t tell me anything about anything.
@@officerricky3230 That is such a stupid stance to have its ridiculous
@ that’s reality. If your production is as good as his, we tend to not over critique. Also happens with ring culture, the difference between some players being top 10 and top 15-20 could be a ring. It doesn’t make sense but imma keep the same energy with him
@MarzTalksSports and some people are basically saying “we gotta something negative about him it can’t be all positive” that’s just as bad. It means you not interested in truth.. you(not you you, people) just want to make sure you don’t “glaze”
@@officerricky3230 'it doesnt make sense but ima keep doing it'
@@officerricky3230 i agree with this,this is a different problem but i do agree
Went there a while ago visiting family in nc it’s probably still one of the best fast food chicken spots I’ve been to sucks it’s not where I’m at tho
Marz: "So is Luka!"
Thank you!
IT'S A POOLE PARTY IN DC!
01 Stackhouse or 22 Julius Randle who y’all got?
Myself
suicide
@MarzTalksSports correct answer
The problem ppl have with Luka is an effort issue on defense, idk why this is hard to grasp.
Learning more about basketball and finding out people think mvp should basically be a team award is so insane to me. The discourse is cooked
"This player is the x seed" NO, THEIR TEAM IS, THATS NOT THE SAME
One thing about Chill is that he gonna die on that hill every time even if he’s being contradictory 💀
Its crazy cuz I predicted we would be an elite offense (biased a bit🤏🏾) but that was because I thought Zach provided a bully in the paint and GG would feel gaps. Us being this good despite Zach’s struggles and GG being out is wild to me and I LOVE IT
No way Deon watches the show if he think marz a Jalen green hater😭
Denver was ranked 4th pre season and have 4 top 100 players. Now the Nuggets are “trash”. Unsure how both can be true 20 games in
Jamal Murray playing like this was completely unpredictable
Watch a game
Valid jokic slander really bothers swipa 😂 as grown men we gotta get out this whole “agenda” phase. Especially the negative ones. Shit just corny at a certain age.
u was looking for it the other day and i found it, the panel ep 412. 'and the 2025 nba mvp is' time stamp 2:19:15 , hope this helps if u remember
@MarzTalksSports why can't you give an a prediction about a team in a competitive conference? Isn't that a part of being on a basketball show?
@@TheNavy1275 i could,but i also dont like just making predictions for the sake of it. so im not going to
@ bet thanks mate
I dont understand how some of the panelist disagreed with Marz on the critism around joker. Like Marz i think he is the best player in the nba. But his close rivals get critiqued more on their flaws than him. Luka is worst defensively than him but look at how chill, Swipa, some of the panel members like to flogg him on it every time they get the chance. Giannis lack of jump shot get Highlighted on a regular, but Joker Rim protection dont get mentioned because "we knows this already", what kind of logic is that?
Since i started watching BB it's the 1st time where the best player doesnt get nick picked on his deficiencies.
Dion just be talking 😭
it’s not even Celtics shaq anymore with chill he in his Spurs Tmac run rn😭💔
Deon a character right? Or he really reasons like that
Luka's defense this season so far is 10x better than Choker's.
The GOAT dion from ohip back 😂💯 Ron we need that jayson tatum superfan back for one episode again
no we dont
shoutout jack
@MarzTalksSportshave we even got an episode with him after boston won the chip😂 I wonder how he feels
Poor marz can’t make a valid critique for jokic without every bit of context being made for him and meaningless stats and pushback
"Lakers NOT!!"..They are a CAP TEAM..Bronny???!!?
According to swipa, jokic’s 32-13-10 is the best offensive start ever but Luka’s 34-9-10 was small potatoes? lol
Chill crashin out
Draymond cooking Rudy just let me know Ox was right. If Jaden McDaniels get Sengun on an island he better get in that BAG. If Draymond can cook Rudy ain't no excuse! L Mathsketball
rudy was playing great defense that whole game tho. i dont see what point ur making
So we all didn't see curry set a solid screen 😂
@legorovers9838 my POINT is that if you see FOOD you gotta EAT.
lol ig
Steph set a good screen. But to your and my point if you got a big man backpedaling you should always attack them and make them make a stop. Especially if it’s JMac being guarded by Alp Sengun. That’s just basketball 101, can’t believe I even had to explain that.
Dion in his yn phase 💪🏿
The Lakers fan talking about relying on one player when the Lakers are bottom feeders this year without a 40 year old. Even AD fell off the MVP convo, and he's someone I hope and pray JJJ resembles later in his career
Shoutout to the true PCL champ. Lakers in 5
Ja has only played like 11 games this season.
What’s a good way to call Chill slow without coming off disrespectful? Atp I think we’re way past bias this is structural
But with that being said I still empathize somehow because it must be hard to have processed things a certain way your entire life and have most of your beliefs (about anything) be debunked and factually proven to be flawed on a daily basis. So I get why some things he says aren’t even challenged cause that’d run him off the show and nobody wants that.
I couldn’t agree more with you.
If Deion isn’t talking about LeBron or the Lakers he bring absolutely nothing to the discussion and y’all continue to bring him on the show
The guy in the glasses don’t know ball, he just a bron superfan
The nugget sponsor this show
Haha i would love to cash a nuggets check. Then I could save the paystubs and lie to my Grandkids one day and say I made the roster 😂😂😂
Winning matters to me😭😭😭😭
Tatum isn’t at the level of Kawhi, kawhi has two dpoys. What does Tatum have that equates to 2 dpoys 😭
Does anyone know why they got rid of open gym idk if they ever explained it but if this is the only content they putting out it becomes unbearable to listen to sometimes
Wasn't ever explained, although Domo is gone, so there's that
Seemed like they were kinda struggling with Open Gym this summer tbh
Ron is funny lmaoo I watch people blame bron in game 1 vs the warriors 2018 and he played flawless. 1:27:41
Chill cooking deon so passionately 🤣 he doing him how Marz be doing chill
wit that lil struggle tree
Chill on one today 😂
the grizzlies actually have SGA number
Once again ron reaching for jokes and clips yeah this is definitely his show lol
What about Jokic letting people score to not get in foul trouble
Some people think that’s smart basketball. I think it’s soft and weak. Defense has never been optional.
So if jokic is in foul trouble does denver beat any team at all
@@BIGOXMedia GIANNIS WANTED NO BUSINESS WITH JIMMY WHEN HE WAS PACKING YOU UP, I THOUGHT GIANNIS COULD GUARD 1-5?
WHERE WAS GIANNIS'S DEFENSE AT?
ALL THIS DPOY DEFENSE AND HE CANT GET OUT 1ST ROUND FOR 3 YEARS STRAIGHT, KINDA SOFT AND WEAK IF YOU ASK ME
MY EYES MUST HAVE BEEN DECIEVING ME CUZ SURELY I DIDNT SEE GIANNIS COST HIS TEAM PLAYOFF GAMES BY TURNING THE BALL OVER IN THE LAST MINUTE AND PASSING THE BALL IT LIKE IT WAS A HOT POTATO CUZ OUTSIDE HE CANT SCORE OUTSIDE 10 FEET
@@ggrlyggrly4476in 2022 they lost to the celtics in 7 games in the east semis not first round. 2023 only played 2 games after got injured early in game 1 and idk if giannis chose not to guard Jimmy or it was coach bud who wanted Jrue on him. 2024 he missed the playoffs. So you just said a bunch of bs.
@@RMusing1. being healthy is part of your value as a player
2. Tatum outplayed giannis
3. Giannis got sent to cancun in back to back seasons round 1 so this is his third year
4. Giannis can only guard 4-5 and is a horrific perimeter defender
Dion 😅😂😂
These guys have a basketball show and all of a sudden can't give predictions on a conference just because it's competitive? Corny. PC falling off, gotta find something else to watch.
bro mad a prediction of where memphis will be wasnt made after 20 games lmao
Did my research jokic and Giannis numbers are close that mvp might be a toss up between the two
Giannis plays defense though 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@BIGOXMedia
jokic 32.3(2nd)/13.6(1st)/10.2(2nd) on 56/51/81 65%TS 6.8FTA
giannis 32.5(1st)/11.6(5th)/6.2(21th) on 61/20/61 63%TS 11FTA
DOESNT INCLUDE 5 MAJOR ADVANCED STATS ( JOKIC 1ST IN ALL 5, GIANNIS FLOATS BETWEEN 2-10TH RANGE)
GIANNIS HAS SIGNIFICANT EDGE IN DEFENSE BUT
WORSE RECORD IN THE WEAKER CONFERENCE WITH BETTER SUPPORTING CAST
Ja morant isnt even the best player on his team this year. He also has been playing with limited minutes. I think Memphis will be at least top 7 if they can stay healthy.
Don't tell me jjj 😂
@@XolileNompumelelo-ps9tijjj been hooping
@@XolileNompumelelo-ps9tionly because he’s their most reliable player. i trust him more than i do ja in tight games in the 4th quarter.
the whole lebron “saving“ the lakers point is strictly off wins and losses cause pre bron we had one of the best young cores n the league FACT, and would have kept getting better now we obviously don’t win a championship when we do but we keep piling assets and we already had crazy media coverage with lonzo being drafted and i really think we only would have gotten better as time when on
Man you have no idea about basketball if you think a young deep team is going to fall off but an old thin team can play 82 games. Stop being a fan and be an analyst.
I got snubbed from comment of the week. we try again next time😪
Me and Chill had to put that call in bruh. No way I could go out like that.
@ w tampering
HR wouldnt let that happen
Ant = modern D Wade
Hell no lmaaaao 🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣😂. Dwade is averaging 10 fts and close to 20 points in the paint in this era , way better passer and play making as well … ant is a better 3 points shooter
@ true hes a better shooter i think ant can become as good a playmaker wade was better playmaker at this age but the difference isnt as crazy as u think who would u compare him too?
@@Sharko-v7vant is a shorter tmac whose more active on the defensive end .. , wat dwade was doing in terms of getting to the rim was just on a whole different level when it comes to his relentlessness and reading defenses .
@@Heemkeem_9 i get it wades peak was among the best ever his speed and relentlessness was something special ants first step isnt as fast but if ant wanted to play like wade im certain he could its just a different league now not to mention he plays with rudy and randle how many times wade getting to the basket with those two on the court? Give ant js a little more time the dwade comparison might end up being the most accurate
@@Sharko-v7vbrother .., the game is still 3 times more spaced out than it was in 06-2010 🤣😂😂 if shai or Ja played on the wolves rn they would both get to the rim a lot more than ant … ant is very athletic but he’s not elite at navigating how to get to the rim . U can argue dwade is the best driver of all time
Bro In.the glasses fucking tripping on the grizz man don't know ball
It's weird when Jokic is a top candidate for MVP when '06 Kobe wasn't while being in the same predicament with less help. Could Joker take Smush and Kwame to a game 7 in the playoffs?
the playoffs isnt relevant to a regular season award. but yes the precedent for mvp is changing from what it was 20 years ago
@MarzTalksSports Did Kobe not play in the '06 season?
@@BESTEHSTUBAwhats that got to do w what i said?
@MarzTalksSports You're speaking as if Kobe wasn't a beast during the regular season leading that team of misfits
Please stop having Deion on the panel , thank you 🙏
Na we needed this laughs😅