New Barrel Stove Setup - A Decent First Night
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- I have the new barrel stove set up and running. It was COLD last night, a good time to test it out. I was able to maintain about a 30 degree difference between the inside and outside temps. I'm making some changes, trying to get the difference up to 45 -50 degrees. Then I'll be ready to plant. Taking a quick look at all the vegetables that I have staged and ready to move into the new greenhouse.
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This was an education in cold weather greenhousing. I never knew this much but was always interested. Thanx for the crash course.
You have officially gone next level!!! Heating a greenhouse with wood to grow year round is INGENIUS!!!! You are my new RUclips Hero! Keep us posted!
nice greenhouse to grow banana plants and palms you have given me a good idea how to heat my greenhouse keep up the good work
You are so ingenious! I enjoy your videos and have learned so much abougrowing in a greenhouse, thanks
@VisvangFrikkie It depends on the weather. If its 18 and windy, then it gets loaded about every 3 hours. The wind really has an adverse effect on the whole deal. The burn cycle times increase as the temps rise. Anything above 30 is usually good for at least 4 hours, again, assuming its not howling 30mph winds. At 40 degrees, its not much work to maintain 60, so it'll go about 5 hours or so.
I've been excited about spring for awhile now and after seeing all your plants ready to go I really can't wait : )
@bowhunter2439 Yes sir.... it was quite a change too. Been very warm this winter. These stoves put out a lot of heat, if you get them set up properly. I still have some things to do. I do have a propane heater, about 75K btu I think, that I had forgotten all about. It just hooks to a portable tank... but would probably cost a fortune to run. Like you said...could be a backup in case of single digits. Thanks for reminding me !
@manholewisdom I have the blower box hooked up tonight. That thing is kicking out some heat. I have a few more fans to hang that will keep the air mixed up, to try to keep all the hot air from staying up high. Once I get plants in there, and begin watering, the humidity levels should increase pretty good. Just throwing things out there is what its all about, sharing ideas. Keep it up. :-)
My goodness you are such a hard worker and talented. It looks amazing Bobby I bet you can't wait till it's done so you can get back to doing what you love to do, growing. Blessings!
Hi Bobby, I hope that's your name. I started construction of a double barrel stove to day. In 2 hours I have a usable stove. Tomorrow I'll start on the top barrel. I thank you for posting the most informitive videos on this subject. I can't burn the barrels out yet, no burn ban in this county. Before winter comes I'm sure we'll have rain and I can prepare for cold weather, which I hate!
Thanks. My best advice is to make sure you have plenty of dry wood. That makes the whole process a lot easier. Good luck too. I hope it goes well for you.
@galegregory97comcast I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting. But if I understand the process correctly, when you drop the exhaust temps too low theres an increase in creosote buildup. The second barrel does a pretty good job at disipating the heat. A third barrel might help, but I'm not sure.
Your talents are truely amazing!
@KingRyltar Yes sir. I have a round floor model that was being used in the first GH to keep the south wall cool in the daytime. I put it in place tonight and it did make a difference. I did the same thing last winter. Good idea. I'm still wiring for the other fans. I have to see exactly what the air currents are and adjust the fans to get the warm air out and the cold air in.
I hope you can get the temps your looking for that is a large area, best of luck to you.
Things are coming together quite nicely!!! You might want to consider packing up and moving everything up here... we've only been down to 19 degrees for the low so far this winter... lol. Would think that stove would heat that just fine once you get everything fine turned. Keep us posted. Also, thanks for the reminder “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.”
@PreacherPrepper Thanks, and thanks for the support.
I've thought about that idea, just never felt too comfortable with it. But heating the soil in the beds would certainly help, especially in the winter.
Excellent video and awesome ingenuity!!!! It might be worth it to get a thermal image on your setup and see where you main heat loss is occurring.
@IllumTheMessage I've seen the BTU output numbers for that, and I'd need a LOT of barrels to make any difference. A better option might be to put foamboard insulation on the inside of the north wall, and stack straw on the outside. Right now, all options are on the table. Staying warm tonight, about 38 outside...not bad at all. :-)
@timjturner Thx Tim. I'm gonna set some of the tomatoes in there tomorrow, and try to get started on the raised beds. Still lots of work to be done. Weather looks great...full speed ahead !
Looks real good....Can't wait to see you get some stuff growing in there....Man I thought I was doing good by getting some seeds started this week.....Man I get so tired watching you do all that.....Keep it up......Really enjoy watching your progress......Phil 4:13....Amen Brother......Tim
@StatenIslandSlim Gonna take the plants for a walk tomorrow. Temps jumped right back up here. Just that one really cold night...not too bad at all for January.
This is a great diy video. With money a big factor for most of us, I think you hit the bullseye! I too wonder how much more heat you would get if you added another barrel. Since they are cheap it may be worth trying. If it doesn't work you can always use the barrel when one burns out. Thanks great video.
LOVE the concrete reminder! :) Can't wait to see the finished product! It's come a LONG way Bobby! God Bless!
very good bobby, looking forward to see the next temp ratings.
Phil 4:13 Amen to that brother! It's the Only way to "Get er Done" lolol
Smart move with the extra insulation, cause it makes such a huge difference. The stove turned out wonderful, and BOY that's a ton of plants you have ready to go in too!!
It snowed here today, just a very little, but he temp dropped really fast, so getting that extra film on was a very smart move, the cold can take over any time. Beautiful plants, I only wish I had a place to keep some like those you have, Come on Spring!
that was very informative. i look forward to watching what you do. i learned alot and plan to build on in the next few days.
Hi there, nice job. I've worked on greenhouses up here in canada in the past. What they did to improve r-value was put doubled poly over their frame. They would then lock it at the bottom creating an air tight seal. Finally they would install a small blower between the layers to blow in air creating a dead air space thus resulting in less heat loss. Sort of like a modern window pane. Maybe that would help and thanks for sharing.
@MrChrisTowerton You're right...I never do get "finished". There is always a better way to do things, so I keep trying to make improvements. I'm sure you can relate with all the stuff that you do. Thanks Chris.
@modoc42 Thx... never EVER give up...just have a change of plans !
Ive been hearing about the cold temps streatching down to florida , its been mighty cold for you folks down south , and thats a tall order for the barrel stove , have you considered any other back up for extreem temps like elctric heat pump or propane heater or how about solar panels ?? somthing extra for those cold nights , good luck and hope the temps stablize so you can get the goods in the ground ...!!!
@neuroleptika I agree with ya...really cool to do this. I'm very thankful to have this opportunity. :-)
@GreenhouseSalvation Thank you James...its been slow coming, but good things come to those who wait.
You are on the right track with those extra layers inside to trap air. I would suggest looking at the round drum fans to move air down through your house. I know you are running some stuff temporarily but if you can get better cfm's it will help get temps up. Nice little Jerry Clower words of wisdom.
Looks fantastic, great job!
Nice job! Thanks for sharing.
Cool. Just make sure you have the proper clearances around the barrels, and a good stack, These things put out a lot of heat.
Nice setup!
If you had some flexible copper you could wrap the top barrel and use that for a heat exchanger. Find an old radiator, and fan behind the radiator in the middle of the greenhouse, to recoup some lost heat. You could use a water pump but convection should circulate the water
Man you are a working MACHINE! Good job so far.
I wonder if you could use electrical conduit instead of PVC for the pipe to the air box? PVC around fire always makes me nervous.
mhp that green house in a lot larger than the other one.would it be cost prohibitive to use 2 barrel stoves one on each end. your the teacher. keep up the good work i'm still learning. thanks
@KSPrepper1 Thank you...I keep listening to the tumblers in the lock...gonna find the combination very soon !
@Thesmalltowngardener Thank you sir.
What I saying it to use the copper pipe as a heat exchanger and blow warmed air thru it so it raises ground temps. Water works excellent as well,if your leary of pressure pump the water from a vented tank that can be insulated.
That is one heck of a setup Bobby! Those plant are looking good they want more room.
Been in the 70s here for the last 2 weeks I will send you some weather :-)
looks great buddy!!
@Ja72corbin No sand this time either, but I did line the btm with firebrick, 18 of them. Gonna put some type of foil on the walls too. Thx friend.
How about running a line of those black barrels you have down the middle of the green house and fill them with water? Then in the day the sun would warm them up and it might help you out a bit at night. Might need a lot of barrels to make a difference in a place that big though. I'm sure you'll get it figured out anyway. Cool update, stay warm!
How big is the greenhouse? I'm about to get my first one. I'm new to this. City people trying to pull my country out my a-s lol. I can use all advice I can get. God bless you brother.
Thank you mam.
@22justus2 Electric heat is not an option for me. Theres no way I could afford that kind of expense. LOL on the rocket stove. That was my biggest problem with them, how to keep it going for an extended time. Sawdust huh? ..gonna have to look that up. Thanks. :-)
A man with a plan. Looking good :D
nice way to warm up greenhouse . thanks
@SidneyBoud 3 high would be too much heat dissipation. The exhaust temps would be way too low to function properly. At least that is my understanding of the situation. So ya'll hardly ever get a freeze. That must make for some year round gardening.
We are getting a heat wave here in No. Va. this weekend. Hopefully you'll catch a little bit of it. Thanks for posting.
Hey man, I`ve been enjoying you`re videos and now I can use my old barrel as a stove to heat up my small trailer.
Yep..thats my name. :-) Just make sure you have the 6 inch holes lines up real good. Thats about the only tricky part. I think you'll really like the heat output. Those things get some kinda hot.
Very impressive Bobby! Your new greenhouse looks great, and good job on the stove. Everything looks great! Dad-gum at the plants you got rarin to go!
Really a very informative video, and a very good example of what you can do...IF you'll just set your mind...to go on and do it!
We had 24 here night before last, and 27 this morning. Pretty unusual cold snap. We get em from time to time though. We should be startin up our house next week. Enjoyin seein what you're doing! Keep it up!!
Everything is looking great!! Your plants are really growing!! I am just now thinking about getting some seeds started, just hope I don't have to wait as long as last year to transplant outside. If I do I just might have to rent some of your GH space. LOL
@emsapowell Its come a VERY long way. Thanks Miranda, hope all is well with you and the family. ;-)
If you dig a trench like manholes idiom suggested to move the warm air it would also start heating the greenhouse soil and which is supposed to be more important than air temp befor radiating up into the air seems like a good idea it seems like the better ideas always seem to involve more work lol looking good bobby
@Planting81 I'm ready for spring too...been ready ! I don't care for the cold weather. ;-)
@Praxxus55712 I'm not gonna be able to hold it steady, but I do have the ability to keep it in a 6-8 degree range. I don't think the plants will protest too much. 58-65 overnight seems to work pretty well. These stove kits are fairly simple to assemble. Drill, recip saw, screwdriver...piece of cake. Careful with those fingers and toes..they'll cramp up on ya if you keep em crossed too long ! LOL Thanks Ray.
@pilgrimfarmer Haha..thx. Yea, EMT would be a good choice. With air being pushed thru the pipe, the only temp buildup is right there at the end of the nipple. I'll see what I can come up with. :-)
@mhpgardener Drill holes in each end of upper barrel and weld in pipes...on upper barrel. Then force air though tubes with small squirrel cage fan...will scavenge more heat and direct it out into greenhouse. I think there are kits to do it but I have seen ones that were homemade.
@contreeman I'm finding out that there is reason why the larger GH's have Modine heaters on both ends..they need it ! Actually though, I'm good to go. I do have a stove on the other end where the thru way is to the smaller GH. I can reconfigure that setup just a bit and really kick it up a notch, or two ! At this moment, GH 1 is showing 64 degrees, GH 2, the new one, is showing 63 and climbing..looking good. :-)
Bobby--It would be very helpfully if you had a detailed parts list along with a list of suppliers. Keep up the good work.
Looking good!! Cant wait to see more
Like it,very good. I need to do that. Thanks !
@rchopp Yes its. I figure about 3 times the volume as the first one. Gonna be interesting for sure. Thx.
Looking good bro! Question for ya, would running the fan blowing from behind the stove, blowing directly on and over toward the greenhouse, raise the temperature up any? Looks as though you are drawing air by the furnace, just curious bro. Good luck!
@MrRatkilr Yea, thats my plan for next winter if I'm not able to buy a wood boiler. It sounds like a neat idea.
@loislaney23 Thx Lois. Its really easy to overplant. I did the same thing last spring, had plants everywhere waiting to go outside. It kept raining and threw eveything out of whack. Rent some space? Not a problem. :-)
@mlg779 Theres a big difference between what I'm doing and what you're talking about doing. A passive solar GH of this size would be very expensive. To build a solid north wall, insulate it, do the same on the ends, and construct that sloped south facing roof would be way more than I could afford. And I sure wouldn't want to attempt to build it by myself. I have seen them, and I like the process..but its not for me. I hope you get one soon. :-)
if you build any more greenhouses you need to look into geothermal heating, all you need is just a fan. (well after you dig 10-12 feet down and lay out 4: flex pipe and burry it. (not either end) blow air through one end with the fan and the air on the other end will come out between 65 and 72 degrees F, depending on where you live and how deep you dug. You will not maintain that temp with natural heat loss but your stove can easily do the rest. it is a small investment but a lot of initial work. /
but with what you have with this build. have you tried wrapping copper or high temp flex pipe around the stove, blow cold air in from one side, it travels around the diameter of the barrel and the other end blows out pretty darn good hot air, and copper tube can be used for a closed loop radiator system (Can use car radiators) but the idea is to get 2 or more extra uses out of the same fire.
@swsebrownsugar1888 Thx....last night went fine, tonight is going even better. Just a few tweaks here and there is all it takes. :-)
@greekcabanaboy Yes sir..that is on my to-do list. I'm trying to find some clean IBC's that don't cost a fortune. I have 2 of them, but they had red dye in them and I can't get it all out. They are ok for watering the garden, but not good for fish.
@Learning2homestead Thank you mam. :-)
Great work Bobby. You are almost there :)
As usual, beautiful work! :)
@minbound Yes sir, one way or another I'm gonna get it dialed in. Thanks.
@MarshmallowVogt I agree, trying to get heat into the ground is a good idea. I have some ideas, but like you said...it involves a LOT more work. Having the black ground cover is making a difference already. I'll keep working on it.
Hi, nice set-up, thanks for sharing.
Best to use mass (store heat) - passively (from the poly-tunnel itself) or actively - from a burner; the burner should burn as efficiently as possible (always a fierce burn, with as much air as is necessary for complete burning of wood, smoke and gasses).
Passive: e.g. rocks or barrels full of water in your poly-tunnel, heat up slowly in the warm season (& keep the temperature in the tunnel down), then release heat as the tunnel cools. continues...
@dynodon427 Yep, money is tight these days. And its only gonna get worse. These barrels do the job, and they don't cost a small fortune either. 3 barrels sounds interesting, but I think I'd better stick with 2. I finally got these all figured out, so I hate to go and mess it up. :-)
cool place you have there. We have a few small green houses.
@crosspecans Yea, thats been thrown around as an option. But it takes a LOT of water...way more than I could deal with. I am considering a compost pile in the small GH though, just as a test. Gotta get me some horse manure first. :-)
@MelodeeRose Thx Mel. I can tell a difference tonight, but its also nowhere near as cold outside. I have a lot of ideas and ways to make it better. The wheels ...they be a turning ! ;-)
@flipr7 That is an idea I've had for awhile. I just didn't want to spend the money for a roll of copper. Its not cheap. But don't be surprised if you see it one day. ;-)
Nice thing is you can dry your wood in that room with the stove. Curious if you could use the upper chamber of stove for making bio-char for your garden. Maybe slip a 15 gal drum packed tight with wood inside upper drum of stove. Guessing your only burning hardwood, as here in Pac NW Doug Fir or Pine would throw embers on your plastic ruining your film. Love your channel. Thanks for all you do.
some of your heat is going up the draft pipe. so when you put the draw pipe out side it will be that much less heat loss.
@imstillworkin Yea...made for a long night for me. Not so much about protecting plants, since the new GH is still empty. But I really wanted to simulate the real deal. Last year? I have pics of the GH and snow... I'll never forget it. I've seen all the snow I want to see this year...in other folks videos !
@manholewisdom We're on the same page, kinda. I'm thinking of a temp wall cutting the room in half, and putting reflective insulation on the walls, along with the fans, to force air out of the room at the top and draw air in from the bottom. I'll have 4 circulating fans, 2 down each sidewall, to keep the air mixed up pretty good.
Very nice.
@itsjustdeb579 Thx Deb....right now, I just want to start planting. I've had enough building for awhile. ;-)
Have you ever heard of secondary combustion air tubes they bring fresh air into the burn chamber and super heat the air before it gets into the burn chamber which burns the excess wood gases making the stove burn more efficiently. A goo example of this is the elm wood stove there are a lot of videos for this on you tube. I think you should be able to adapt this to the barrel stove.
"For evermore scalding hot!" Clower Power Baby!!! I like your videos, I can understand you!!!
@cam3xl Thx bro. I've got a lot of figuring out to do, but getting some good ideas.
wrap the barrels in copper pipe bury pex pipe in beds pump hot water. you can also add venturi tubes to top barrel add blower
@shartne Yea, and tomorrow I'll build the blower box and kick it up a notch !