I agree with Lupe. You look at pure lyricism. You look and listen to all the punch lines the double entendres the flow. You do all this and realize that Anthony Fantano is far superior than Kendrick.
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i think mattys gonna win songs like “little bit” really touched me. fuck hearing about black struggle. i wanna hear a scrawny little white boy whine about girls liking him back
Lupe's goal has been to be as good a rapper/lyricist as possible and spread his message. Mission accomplished. Kendrick's goal from day 1 has been to become the king by making music beyond its highest level. Also mission accomplished. Seems kinda unfair to hold either of them to the other's standard.
I honestly think Lupe is a far complex, more layered lyricist than Kendrick, Kendrick just makes more enjoyable music. Lupe has songs with like 10 meanings.
He is, for sure. He is one of the greatest lyricists of all time, if not THE best. Kendrick's biggest strength as a lyricist is as a storyteller. Lupe can do that well too and then some. Just has more in his arsenal. Like you said, Kendrick does make better music, and his storytelling is GOAT tier. It's what makes him one of the best to ever do it. Different lanes.
Complexity doesn't inherently make lyrics better though. Sometimes the communication of the lyrics is more valuable. Lupe is a great lyricist and Kendrick is a great lyricist but I think this is a valid argument either way.
“Lyrical” is a poor descriptor. It can refer to multis, internals, and rhyme schemes on the mathematical side, or it can relate to wordplay, plot devices, and thematic connections on the emotional/literary side. “Lyrical” just means good at writing, but there are many ways to write well. We need more exact terms.
Honestly this really is a good debate because I can firmly say Lupe is one of the greatest lyricists of all time but Kendrick isn’t exactly too far off from Lupe’s level of lyrical ability.
yea i'd say the same. Lupe is in a small one percent of rappers at the top for lyricism wit people like MF DOOM and Nas where as kendrick is more so in the top 5 or 10 percent
@lgwoodlar8766 Yep. Lupe can comfortably sit alongside DOOM, Aesop Rock, Black Thought and a really small group on the S tier category of lyricism. Kendrick is A tier, maybe A+.
Why does Lupe have to say this? Real ones love Food & Liquor + The Cool + Tetsuo & Youth from Lupe while also loving Section 80, GKMC, and TPAB from Kendrick.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I personally like Lupe more just solely because I personally care a lot about lyrical depth but I also don't understand why Lupe would ever feel the need to come out and say this. I hope it was at least provoked in some way because I lost a lil respect for him otherwise
Because he was asked. Why did Kendrick say he was coming for every top rapper in Control? Why does it matter. He's mentioned him before.. "Now we all heard what he said, but what he said means we dead And that shit is insane He's so crazy, look at the little baby Nigga you ain't Nas, nigga you ain't Jay-Z You will respect me, you will reject me But I've done so much, no matter how far you go, you will reflect me" -SLR2
"I feel like if people aren't pulling anything from my songs, then they're not really trying to or didn't have an interest in the first place" -Aesop Rock
Your analysis of the mural and adoration of the magi piece is exactly what Lupe was talking about. He's said multiple times, and I mean consistently, that Kendrick makes better music overall. But when it comes to bars and lyrics, Kendrick is far far far from trash. But Lupe is literally arguably the best of all time in that regard.
@@absidyabsidy2727 who is better then? Just curious, because even if compared with some lyricists like Nas for example, Lupe is next level to me at least
Kendrick hasn’t been about that life since s80 but Kendrick don’t need to respond he lives rent free in lupes head he is so jealous of Kendrick and hates him
You could be right. But really this doesn't make sense because kendrick could sell out any venue at any time so why would an album affect how much his tour is gonna make.
@@vileink4733 Generally no. But if its kendrick and he's going to sell out why the fuck not? I mean all these old rock geezers do tours without new albums. And Kendrick is just as popular as them. That beings said, Kendrick, give us a fucking album please.
I mean, he is a better lyricist. Kendrick Lamar is a great artist. If you can’t accept that, it’s cuz you’ve never listened to Lupe Fiasco😂. There’s a reason why Lupe said lyricist. People are acting like he said he was better than Kendrick. He clearly just said he’s a better lyricist. And I agree with that. Pretty sure Lupe even said that Kendrick was a better general artist.
i agree with this, i don't really trust the melon's opinion when it comes to lupe bc his drogas wave review was very much on surface level and i definitely feel as lupe's music goes over his head often
lmao no sorry. go read how much a dollar cost, blacker the berry, rigamortis, sing about me, mortal man, these walls and then come back and recommend me one lupe fiasco song that comes close to any of those songs lyrically
@@ahmedfiasco6412 Dorgas wave is like a 6/10 my friend musically speaking.tpab on the other hand is 9.5/10 .even lupes the cool album is better than Dorgas wave.same with testuo and youth
@@projectcapsulethe macfisher guy was saying fantano ISN’T saying Lupe doesn’t have all those things. You were so ready to defend this person you don’t even know huh 😂
Lupe is a great artist as well. I don’t think he’s just a great lyricist, he can make just some really great structured songs and albums. He can compete with Kendrick in terms of being a great artist as well. Don’t know why lupe is selling himself short
Right, I think he looks at it from a popularity standpoint and feels out of place, but lupe is indie, kendrick has a powerful label and team behind him while lupe out here alone
Jerry Escobar just reading on wikipedia, doesn't make it true. They didn't help with the lyrics, they helped with other things. Ask Lupe when he goes live on IG and he'll tell you!
Ran ONL he clearly does, cause he’s been downplaying and taking shots at Kendrick since like 2011... he only recently gave Kendrick props for his storytelling like that’s all he excels at 🥱 him saying Kendrick is “not a great lyricist” comes disrespectful and bitter
This is a great conversation for Hip Hop. Both of these artists are 2 of the most exemplary of the craft and reach to the heights of Hip Hop greatness. Both titans of the art.
@@king_vision4085 That's not really true. A songwriting copyright is awarded to those who jointly contributed to the song's structure, chord progressions, and lyrics. This can be anyone, even the members of the rhythm section. (In many songs, especially in rock, pop, and dance music, a bass or drum part is so integral to the song that it becomes as important as the melody). Someone who gets songwriter credits doesn't actually mean that he wrote the lyrics. It could also be someone who helped with the vocal performance or even a sample. For example: Notorious BIG got songwriter credits for Sicko Mode by Travis. Now i don't think it's realistic to think that Big was in the studio with Travis.
@Prepare your ass because pablo No what makes a great artist is if their music moves the soul. Kendrick's albums have such a cohesive way of moving the sprit. Not that lupe isnt great either... but lets be real here.
@Prepare your ass because pablo OK cool, let's just listen to rappers with no beat say words with only the echo of their own voice since you think lyrics are all that matter lol tf are you talking about? Your take is so basic minded. Songs are way more than just the bars. Kendrick makes better songs and lupe has better lyrics from a technical standpoint. This cannot be argued. Listen to murals by lupe, fantano even pointed it out in this video. That song is 6 minutes of God like bars with no hook.
@Prepare your ass because pablo uh nah. because hopsin has better lyrics than travis scott but id shake my 5 month old cousin before i listen to hopsin. Or even say he makes better music because he has better lyrics
Stronger lyricist: Lupe. Stronger projects?: Kendrick by a hair. I think if you're comparing lyrics, Lupe is a better lyricist then Kendrick. But if youre comparing artists work? I would say Kendrick edges Lupe out by a hair because of Lupes rather bad projects. But Drogas Wave, The Cool, Food and Liquor and Tetsuo and Youth I think can stand up to Section 80, Good Kid, TPAB and Damn. It's a really tough call.
this is a good, nuanced, non-bias answer. Lyricist: Lupe wins easily. Catalogue: I'll also take Lupe, but that's just my preference. Kendrick has some great projects as well.
Massive L. Lupe’s best projects put that frauds catalogue to shame people like you make me hate hip hop. Lupe shits on him all day everyday but because Kendrick is in a era of shit rappers he looks good
I’ve tried listening to Kendrick a few times. I can’t get into most of his songs. Lupe has proven he can make more accessible music. But he’s chosen to “proceed to the next level ” I think lupe is better at mainstream and layered music. But that’s just my opinion.
@Michaell Alexander lmao, he said Lupe doesn't have a GKMC or TPAB like #bruh.. maybe you can compare em to F&L or The cool, still it ain't close but that'd make more sense.. T&Y?? Whutt?!! Shit's in a galaxy of it's own.. most these kids don't know what they talkin boyt bc they don't know Lupe but wanna get in on the convo.. theres a reason pretty much just about every respected longtime critic here goes w/ Lupe, the you see the stans in the comments talkin bout tpab & gkmc.. lol Edit. Just wanna add, when discussing ''classics'', illmatic was a classic, so was reasonable doubt, and Ready to Die, including The Carter III etc.. you can say GKMC & F&L were classics, no doubt.. the thing is Lupe brought to the table something totally different & there isn't a category/title for something higher than a ''classic'' & that was T&Y.. it's its own genre & stands on its own.
Lupe was ahead to time with The Cool and F& L these albums are more 2010s vibes than 2000s, man even now still ahead to time with masterpiece likes T&Y and Drogas Wave. Kdot is dope but Lupe is a GOAT.
Lupe is in a small one percent of rappers at the top for lyricism wit people like MF DOOM and Nas where as kendrick is more so in the top 5 or 10 percent
Nah I'd say Kendrick and Nas are on that same percent level. Lupe and MF DOOM fit into the underground lyricist percent as they didn't need mainstream success to achieve.
The Hive Productions I’d say nas is probably the best lyricist of all time since he has the most poetic verses ever. Look at one mic and rewind. But that being said Kendrick is like a top 15 lyricist of all time where as Lupe is probably a top or top 10.
@@salem-p3l doom is a fantastic lyricist but to say nobody comes close is.. .a bit much. lupe's verses on tetsuo and youth/food and liquor/the cool can easily compete with doom's verses on madvillainy/vaudeville villain/mm food, at least in my opinion.
@@vazal9744 I mean, I prefer those albums over Kendrick's, but that's 'cause I've been a huge fan of Lupe since I was 12 (I'm 26 now lol). But I can understand why someone would say that Kendrick's albums are better, or at least more enjoyable; I'll give 'em that.
Melon I think you brought up some great points but I disagreed with you when you said “Kendrick is a worse lyricist because he has a slightly darker skin color”. Other than that I appreciate your claims.
Lupe addressed this on his live a month or so ago. He’s made it clear that he admires Kendrick as an artist. It’s not a beef thing. He explained it like all the greats in hip hop have their core/signature strengths. When it comes to writing, that’s Lupe’s
For Lupe to say Kendrick is the better artist was his way in meeting Kendrick fans half way. This is a guy who made albums like Food & Liquor, The Cool, Tetsuo & Youth, and Drogas waves. Two of those albums are masterpieces btw, and the other 3 has some of the most artistic songs created in Hip Hop. Has Kendrick been more consistent then Lupe? Yes. Kendrick hasn’t made a bad album yet like Lupe has. Does that make Kendrick a better artist then Lupe? Probably. They both have masterpieces that has proven Hip Hop is just more then beats and rhymes with albums like TPAB, and Tetsuo & Youth. And they are both great in their own right. Like Anthony said you might of not even have a Kendrick if it wasn’t for Lupe doing what he did first and who knows where Lupe would be at if he had a label that supported him and gave him more creative feeling. I think they’re both great in their own right and should be held in that regard. And not be put against each other
@@king_vision4085 nah. Lupe is more intricate with his words, sometimes even too intricate. Kendrick uses simple striking words to paint the bigger picture and connect with the audience. Lupe is point precision with his words to do the same, he's like an encyclopedia. Every song on Tetsuo and Youth shows that.
I love both of them to the point that they're comfortably sitting in my personal top 5. However, I will concede that I am a bigger Lupe fan as I believe he has 4 absolutely amazing projects (F&L, Cool, T&Y, and Wave) in comparison to Kendrick's 2 (GKMC & TPAB). Also, while I will say that Kendrick has a greater sense of how to work with an instrumental, melody, and at times makes more passionately delivered and anthemic stories, what can't be denied is that Lupe has done that in spades as well. Look at Hip Hop Saved My Life, Kick Push, Prisoner 1 & 2, Wav Files, and the Forever duology.
I think what Kendrick has in stylistic precision, and by that I mean saying exactly what he means but artfully and creatively, Lupe has in complicated layers, getting to the point through metaphor on metaphor. They're different for sure.
Both have been in my top 10 since the first album I heard from each of them. I feel listening to KDot is like watching a Scorsese picture and Lupe is like Black Mirror. Both fantastic and suit different moods. I don't need to choose.
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@@jjsweg9012 What a headassass comment, what does how "big" a song is have to do with how good it is? I guess Despacito and Shape of You are the greatest songs of all time then? LMFAO
@@kschro1452 how old are you? Lupe is a master of wordplay. He would be better than kendrick if he had better beat selection, themes, and choruses. Kendrick wins on artistry
@@DM-jn3zo @KSchro 14 to answer both of you Lupe is better at lyrics and wordplay in of themself, yet Kendrick is an overall better artist as he creates more powerful music and his lyricism isnt far off, but based on lyricism in of itself... Lupe.
Lupe's lyricism is absolutely insane, he is undoubtedly a better lyricist than Kendrick. You can argue that Kendrick puts out better quality projects, but bar for bar I'm going Lupe.
Nah he’s definitely not undoubtedly better. Just because Lupe’s bars sound more “technical” or “complicated” due to a crazy amount of double entendres and other wordplay techniques, doesn’t mean he’s a “better” lyricist. Is Joyce a better writer than Faulkner because his novels are more complicated? Are Dream Theater “better” musicians than Radiohead because they write 20+ minute songs with different time signatures and long solos? There’s skill in creating lyrically dense, cohesive albums like Kendrick does, and he’s truly in a class of his own in that regard.
Martin V To my main point, Dream Theater is more technically proficient; they’re all virtuosos. But writing has to matter at some point when determining who the “better” musician is. Dream Theater is one of my favorite bands but I still I think Radiohead writes circles around them. Greenwood couldn’t play half of Petrucci’s solos, yet Dream Theater could never write an album like Kid A. Versatility also matters too. Radiohead is a more versatile band, and Greenwood writes scores for movies. Innovation in sound/recording techniques can come into play as well. Radiohead is good on that front, as is Jordan Rudess and Petrucci in particular from Dream Theater.
This is manufactured controversy. It's all because Lu has repeatedly praised Drake but not Kendrick and Kendrick fans couldn't handle it. Then you have music writers looking for the next clickbait and bam, a new fake beef emerges.
I think "The Cool" by Lupe is one of the greatest songs across any genre I've ever heard! It dug in my soul when I heard it. Kendrick has his own appeal tho but feel Lupe is a few steps ahead
That may be true, but Kendrick is in another planet sonically l, so... And it’s just poor form to go out and say “oh, I’m a better blah blah blah than whoever” It just makes you look either desperate, petty, or insecure, especially when you’re going after someone like Kendrick, who hasn’t really gone after anyone since his Control verse
I know I’m preaching to the choir in this community but I get so worked up when someone says Kendrick is “one of the most overrated rappers of all time”. I’ve heard that so many times and I can’t even fathom why.
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Imagine if it was j cole calling him a better lyricist fantano would make a 20min video just abusing cole
Or Hopsin or logic.
Erichj Sanders well it would be objectively false
Rightfully so
Because J Cole isn't close to Kendrick while Lupe is ahead of everyone lyrical wise.
True
Easy: Lupe is a lyrical miracle, while Kendrick is a spiritual individual
This is the best comment.
Makes perfect sense
Whut? Both are
other way around imo
Nice reference
I agree with Lupe. You look at pure lyricism. You look and listen to all the punch lines the double entendres the flow. You do all this and realize that Anthony Fantano is far superior than Kendrick.
Had me in the first half ngl
I dont know about melon, but i think that rapper guy cal chuchesta could give kendrick a run for his money
Rap is not only about punch lines and lyrics!
Lupe does triple entrendes like its nothing on the regular.
@@alburaqi I think you missed the joke a little
Are we forgetting Lil Wayne's genius with:
"Real Gs move in silence like lasagna. "
Does he think it's pronounced 'lazanna'? Awful lyric
@@DDazzle1 I always pronounced it as "luh-zahn-nya"
@@DDazzle1 it's definitely pronounced without saying the letter G or any of the sounds you say for "G"
@@DDazzle1 lazanya. Definitely no hard G lmao
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Lupe=Better Lyricist
Kendrick=Better artist
Lupe even said this himself 2 months ago. Lord forbid a man for believing in his own skills
Facts.
Exactly
Agreed.
Nah.
Lord morbid
"Anthony, what rappers do you think Kendrick is superior to?"
Anthony: "Yes."
P.Haze Logic is the only rapper Melon respects
Would MC Ride count as a rapper? (Or a force of nature?)
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pls stahp this dead joke
i can't take people serious who take kendrick lamar serious
MattyBRaps vs. Kendrick next!
i think mattys gonna win songs like “little bit” really touched me. fuck hearing about black struggle. i wanna hear a scrawny little white boy whine about girls liking him back
parentaladvisory 100% agree
Matty B’s lyricism puts everyone to shame!
His cover of “Gangnam Style” is one for the ages!
That's a tough one
Lupe's goal has been to be as good a rapper/lyricist as possible and spread his message. Mission accomplished.
Kendrick's goal from day 1 has been to become the king by making music beyond its highest level. Also mission accomplished.
Seems kinda unfair to hold either of them to the other's standard.
I honestly think Lupe is a far complex, more layered lyricist than Kendrick, Kendrick just makes more enjoyable music. Lupe has songs with like 10 meanings.
This is facts. I prefer Kendrick as a musician, but Lupe is definitely the better lyricist.
Facts
Fax
He is, for sure. He is one of the greatest lyricists of all time, if not THE best. Kendrick's biggest strength as a lyricist is as a storyteller. Lupe can do that well too and then some. Just has more in his arsenal.
Like you said, Kendrick does make better music, and his storytelling is GOAT tier. It's what makes him one of the best to ever do it. Different lanes.
Complexity doesn't inherently make lyrics better though. Sometimes the communication of the lyrics is more valuable.
Lupe is a great lyricist and Kendrick is a great lyricist but I think this is a valid argument either way.
He sure is in a *Fiasco* right now.
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I don’t even know you or anything about you, but this pun has made me hate you for the rest of my life
Badum tssssss
I'm kinda out of the lupe on this one... could someone perhaps explain this whole situation?
Had me kickin'
Dixie D’Amelio vs Lupe Fiasco. Battle of the top tier lyricists
Dixie invented a word I think we know the winner
@@zackcolosky9908 what word
Leonardo Vega I believe it’s spelled “byeause”
@@zackcolosky9908 what a post modern philosopher
Nah its Tones and I.
Dude Y y'all trippin Hopsin is obviously the best lyricist.
Glad that's a joke😂😂
I mean hopsin is the second best music act of all time.
After weezer of cause
His bars about getting a hand job from Asians are on another level
did the man who make college go to college
@@prod.rhodamine I'd say so
Lupe played my D3 liberal arts college gymnasium, Kendrick didn’t. 10/10 Lupe, lyricist god.
“Lyrical” is a poor descriptor. It can refer to multis, internals, and rhyme schemes on the mathematical side, or it can relate to wordplay, plot devices, and thematic connections on the emotional/literary side. “Lyrical” just means good at writing, but there are many ways to write well. We need more exact terms.
The only comment that brings us closer to the goal of judging who is better and not one like, lol.
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Honestly this really is a good debate because I can firmly say Lupe is one of the greatest lyricists of all time but Kendrick isn’t exactly too far off from Lupe’s level of lyrical ability.
yea i'd say the same. Lupe is in a small one percent of rappers at the top for lyricism wit people like MF DOOM and Nas where as kendrick is more so in the top 5 or 10 percent
@lgwoodlar8766 Yep. Lupe can comfortably sit alongside DOOM, Aesop Rock, Black Thought and a really small group on the S tier category of lyricism. Kendrick is A tier, maybe A+.
Kendrick pen game is a lot better but Lupe himself not to bad in fact really great but not kendrick level.
Better than cole vs Kendrick lol
@Michaell Alexander men kendrick wrote tpab and one of the best openers ever in wesley theory.
Why does Lupe have to say this? Real ones love Food & Liquor + The Cool + Tetsuo & Youth from Lupe while also loving Section 80, GKMC, and TPAB from Kendrick.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I personally like Lupe more just solely because I personally care a lot about lyrical depth but I also don't understand why Lupe would ever feel the need to come out and say this. I hope it was at least provoked in some way because I lost a lil respect for him otherwise
Drogas Wave was dope too
And Drogas from Lupe and DAMN from Kendrick. HOUSE and Untitled Unmastered are good too.
@@yd856 ya u cant go wrong with either of them in your listens. They are both some of my fav artists period
Because he was asked. Why did Kendrick say he was coming for every top rapper in Control? Why does it matter. He's mentioned him before.. "Now we all heard what he said, but what he said means we dead
And that shit is insane
He's so crazy, look at the little baby
Nigga you ain't Nas, nigga you ain't Jay-Z
You will respect me, you will reject me
But I've done so much, no matter how far you go, you will reflect me" -SLR2
"I know some rappers use big words to make their similes curve. My simpilest shit be more pivotal." - Kendrick Lamar
Disgusting bar.
first thing that came to my mind when i seen the headlines going around
SLR 2, Just Saying.
"I feel like if people aren't pulling anything from my songs, then they're not really trying to or didn't have an interest in the first place"
-Aesop Rock
@@fernandoreyes680 truly the most skilled lyricist alive today, next level in complexity and wordplay
Your analysis of the mural and adoration of the magi piece is exactly what Lupe was talking about. He's said multiple times, and I mean consistently, that Kendrick makes better music overall. But when it comes to bars and lyrics, Kendrick is far far far from trash. But Lupe is literally arguably the best of all time in that regard.
This!
Maybe not best of all time, but in terms of pure lyrical talent, lupe is certainly top 5
Lupe is Bars not Better Lyrics
literally arguably. Nice word salad there bro
@@absidyabsidy2727 who is better then? Just curious, because even if compared with some lyricists like Nas for example, Lupe is next level to me at least
Imagine this leads to a massive beef and they release diss tracks towards one another, that probably won’t happen but it would be poggers.
In tracks Lupe would smoke Kendrick
Kendrick hasn’t been about that life since s80 but Kendrick don’t need to respond he lives rent free in lupes head he is so jealous of Kendrick and hates him
Your pp a 🍤
That would be insane
We all win
Top won't even let kendrick respond to his own beef lmao, we not seeing that album until TDE can get the bag from touring. TDE jail fr
You could be right. But really this doesn't make sense because kendrick could sell out any venue at any time so why would an album affect how much his tour is gonna make.
@@aidanmcpavian5638 You think labels will fund a tour for an artist that hasn't released an album in 3 years?
@@vileink4733 Generally no. But if its kendrick and he's going to sell out why the fuck not? I mean all these old rock geezers do tours without new albums. And Kendrick is just as popular as them. That beings said, Kendrick, give us a fucking album please.
Artists are normally the ones who benefit most from touring, so if this were the case then it would be in Kendrick’s favor.
@@joeyd7844 True,man needs to drop something his label starving
Nah ur all off. Scatman john was clearly the best lyricist
Dwooswa IM THE SCATMAN!!
@@jordanspivey3569 ksksbsbbbibdbdidididid im the scat man
Scatman, fat man, black and white and brown man
Tell me 'bout the colour of your soul
man his lyrics are so simple yet they still get the point across
my king 😍😍😍
Anthony knows nothing about "syllables per second."
I mean, he is a better lyricist. Kendrick Lamar is a great artist. If you can’t accept that, it’s cuz you’ve never listened to Lupe Fiasco😂. There’s a reason why Lupe said lyricist. People are acting like he said he was better than Kendrick. He clearly just said he’s a better lyricist. And I agree with that. Pretty sure Lupe even said that Kendrick was a better general artist.
where is your proof he's a better lyricist
@@ultimateblaze23 Wdym proof, literally just look up their lyrics
i agree with this, i don't really trust the melon's opinion when it comes to lupe bc his drogas wave review was very much on surface level and i definitely feel as lupe's music goes over his head often
100%
lmao no sorry. go read how much a dollar cost, blacker the berry, rigamortis, sing about me, mortal man, these walls and then come back and recommend me one lupe fiasco song that comes close to any of those songs lyrically
Mural is in the argument for best rap song of all time.
facts
As a big lupe fan...
Nah
To Pimp a Butterfly is in the argument for best rap album of all time, so...
@@thebatman8815 drogas wave is way better
@@ahmedfiasco6412 Dorgas wave is like a 6/10 my friend musically speaking.tpab on the other hand is 9.5/10 .even lupes the cool album is better than Dorgas wave.same with testuo and youth
I know this man isn't accusing Lupe of not telling stories and being deep and conceptual. I know he's not doing that. I just know it.
Yeah, he's not, and I have no idea how you thought he could have been.
@@macfisher1814 maybe because he has functioning ears? have you ever listened to at least one song off of drogas wave?
@@projectcapsulethe macfisher guy was saying fantano ISN’T saying Lupe doesn’t have all those things. You were so ready to defend this person you don’t even know huh 😂
@@projectcapsulehe said “he’s not” as in “this man isnt accusing Lupe” not as in “he isn’t telling stories and being deep”
Lupe is a great artist as well. I don’t think he’s just a great lyricist, he can make just some really great structured songs and albums. He can compete with Kendrick in terms of being a great artist as well. Don’t know why lupe is selling himself short
Right, I think he looks at it from a popularity standpoint and feels out of place, but lupe is indie, kendrick has a powerful label and team behind him while lupe out here alone
@@screamingeagle11b Lupe had 4 people to help him write murals.
Jaco, S. Johnson, Kyle Davidson, Devan Hampton, Alain Mion
@@king_vision4085 where'd you get that from😆
@@screamingeagle11b literally the song credits. Writing credits go to the names I listed
Jerry Escobar just reading on wikipedia, doesn't make it true. They didn't help with the lyrics, they helped with other things. Ask Lupe when he goes live on IG and he'll tell you!
I am 100% a Lupe Stan. I honestly cant understand how people can downplay his pen. It dosent make sense.
did u go to harvard?
U just did a double entendre lol
Its a bit silly man imagine if these guys could create some great music TOGETHER that would be amazing
Lupes said many times, he doesnt have an issue with Kendrick. Its the fans that keep putting them against eachother.
Ran ONL he clearly does, cause he’s been downplaying and taking shots at Kendrick since like 2011... he only recently gave Kendrick props for his storytelling like that’s all he excels at 🥱
him saying Kendrick is “not a great lyricist” comes disrespectful and bitter
Lupe is too egoistic for that to happen
This is a great conversation for Hip Hop. Both of these artists are 2 of the most exemplary of the craft and reach to the heights of Hip Hop greatness. Both titans of the art.
Lupe is the better lyricist. Kendrick is the better artist.
Lupe had 4 people help him write murals
Jaco, S. Johnson, Kyle Davidson, Devan Hampton, Alain Mion
@@king_vision4085 it's not even his most impressive song lyrically lol
@JOSEPH EGBE Adoration of the Magi?
Agree
@@king_vision4085 That's not really true. A songwriting copyright is awarded to those who jointly contributed to the song's structure, chord progressions, and lyrics. This can be anyone, even the members of the rhythm section. (In many songs, especially in rock, pop, and dance music, a bass or drum part is so integral to the song that it becomes as important as the melody).
Someone who gets songwriter credits doesn't actually mean that he wrote the lyrics. It could also be someone who helped with the vocal performance or even a sample. For example: Notorious BIG got songwriter credits for Sicko Mode by Travis. Now i don't think it's realistic to think that Big was in the studio with Travis.
Lupe is a better lyricist but Kendrick is the better musician/ artist
How? Lyrics aren’t the only things included in a song
Prepare your ass because pablo that’s so wrong man
@Prepare your ass because pablo No what makes a great artist is if their music moves the soul. Kendrick's albums have such a cohesive way of moving the sprit. Not that lupe isnt great either... but lets be real here.
@Prepare your ass because pablo OK cool, let's just listen to rappers with no beat say words with only the echo of their own voice since you think lyrics are all that matter lol tf are you talking about? Your take is so basic minded. Songs are way more than just the bars. Kendrick makes better songs and lupe has better lyrics from a technical standpoint. This cannot be argued. Listen to murals by lupe, fantano even pointed it out in this video. That song is 6 minutes of God like bars with no hook.
@Prepare your ass because pablo uh nah. because hopsin has better lyrics than travis scott but id shake my 5 month old cousin before i listen to hopsin. Or even say he makes better music because he has better lyrics
Eminem is the best lyricist he even said himself that he's a lyrical spiritual miracle individual that's invincible
🤯🤯🤯
thats such a gangster stupid verse that only eminem can rap like that
@@zombiewolf3244 He did say something along those lines at the end of "The Ringer"
Tom MacDonald is better than Eminem, that's FACTS!
he said it on the slaughterhouse mtv sifer,spelt it wrong
Stronger lyricist: Lupe.
Stronger projects?: Kendrick by a hair.
I think if you're comparing lyrics, Lupe is a better lyricist then Kendrick. But if youre comparing artists work? I would say Kendrick edges Lupe out by a hair because of Lupes rather bad projects.
But Drogas Wave, The Cool, Food and Liquor and Tetsuo and Youth I think can stand up to Section 80, Good Kid, TPAB and Damn.
It's a really tough call.
this.
this is a good, nuanced, non-bias answer. Lyricist: Lupe wins easily. Catalogue: I'll also take Lupe, but that's just my preference. Kendrick has some great projects as well.
Kendrick being more accessible and more versatile (a billion voices) makes him the better artist. Agreed with everything though.
Lupe has better projects
Massive L. Lupe’s best projects put that frauds catalogue to shame people like you make me hate hip hop. Lupe shits on him all day everyday but because Kendrick is in a era of shit rappers he looks good
Kendrick is what Lupe should have been.
I’ve tried listening to Kendrick a few times. I can’t get into most of his songs.
Lupe has proven he can make more accessible music. But he’s chosen to “proceed to the next level ”
I think lupe is better at mainstream and layered music. But that’s just my opinion.
@Michaell Alexander lmao, he said Lupe doesn't have a GKMC or TPAB like #bruh.. maybe you can compare em to F&L or The cool, still it ain't close but that'd make more sense.. T&Y?? Whutt?!! Shit's in a galaxy of it's own.. most these kids don't know what they talkin boyt bc they don't know Lupe but wanna get in on the convo.. theres a reason pretty much just about every respected longtime critic here goes w/ Lupe, the you see the stans in the comments talkin bout tpab & gkmc.. lol
Edit. Just wanna add, when discussing ''classics'', illmatic was a classic, so was reasonable doubt, and Ready to Die, including The Carter III etc.. you can say GKMC & F&L were classics, no doubt.. the thing is Lupe brought to the table something totally different & there isn't a category/title for something higher than a ''classic'' & that was T&Y.. it's its own genre & stands on its own.
Lupe was ahead to time with The Cool and F& L these albums are more 2010s vibes than 2000s, man even now still ahead to time with masterpiece likes T&Y and Drogas Wave. Kdot is dope but Lupe is a GOAT.
Anthony prefers Kendrick?!? Shocking
Lupe is in a small one percent of rappers at the top for lyricism wit people like MF DOOM and Nas where as kendrick is more so in the top 5 or 10 percent
Nah I'd say Kendrick and Nas are on that same percent level. Lupe and MF DOOM fit into the underground lyricist percent as they didn't need mainstream success to achieve.
The Hive Productions I’d say nas is probably the best lyricist of all time since he has the most poetic verses ever. Look at one mic and rewind. But that being said Kendrick is like a top 15 lyricist of all time where as Lupe is probably a top or top 10.
No one even come close to DOOM, Lupe is far behind
@@salem-p3l doom is a fantastic lyricist but to say nobody comes close is.. .a bit much. lupe's verses on tetsuo and youth/food and liquor/the cool can easily compete with doom's verses on madvillainy/vaudeville villain/mm food, at least in my opinion.
@@bruis1527 He does have the best Hip Hop album of all time after all (Illmatic).
yikes melon you should tweet out at lupe and say “let’s agree: kendrick is better”
kendrick is better sure, but lupe's lyricism and metaphors r a whole new level
Kendrick is better at making albums. But when it comes to BARS, Lupe is better.
I dont know, Lupe had greath albums like Y&T, Drogas Wave and F&L can easy match with kendrick albums.
@@vazal9744 I mean, I prefer those albums over Kendrick's, but that's 'cause I've been a huge fan of Lupe since I was 12 (I'm 26 now lol). But I can understand why someone would say that Kendrick's albums are better, or at least more enjoyable; I'll give 'em that.
i’m a teenager so i wouldn’t know his cultural/musical affect on the genre but i love gkmc and tpab
Lupe is in space, he is faaaar faaar ahead of most rappers. Kendrick is good. Hes not Lupe good in that regard.
Lupe Fiasco is a better lyricist than Kendrick Lamar
No is not Better Lyricist
@@herivaldoagostinho1694yes he is
I agree but i don't think the gap is that big@slackstarfish8133
@@Cattybeth6the gap is huge kendrick pen not touchin lupe
@@Follow.the.Leader I don't think so but ok
Melon I think you brought up some great points but I disagreed with you when you said “Kendrick is a worse lyricist because he has a slightly darker skin color”. Other than that I appreciate your claims.
I thought this meme died wtf
Beating a dead melon there...
I now present you with the award of worlds funniest man. Congratulations dude...
Lupe addressed this on his live a month or so ago. He’s made it clear that he admires Kendrick as an artist. It’s not a beef thing. He explained it like all the greats in hip hop have their core/signature strengths. When it comes to writing, that’s Lupe’s
For Lupe to say Kendrick is the better artist was his way in meeting Kendrick fans half way. This is a guy who made albums like Food & Liquor, The Cool, Tetsuo & Youth, and Drogas waves. Two of those albums are masterpieces btw, and the other 3 has some of the most artistic songs created in Hip Hop. Has Kendrick been more consistent then Lupe? Yes. Kendrick hasn’t made a bad album yet like Lupe has. Does that make Kendrick a better artist then Lupe? Probably. They both have masterpieces that has proven Hip Hop is just more then beats and rhymes with albums like TPAB, and Tetsuo & Youth. And they are both great in their own right. Like Anthony said you might of not even have a Kendrick if it wasn’t for Lupe doing what he did first and who knows where Lupe would be at if he had a label that supported him and gave him more creative feeling. I think they’re both great in their own right and should be held in that regard. And not be put against each other
Kendrick has never made songs like mural or wav files
He's made songs like U, Sing About Me, How Much A Dollar Cost, Keisha Song, Blacker The Berry, and The Art Of Peer Pressure.
@@kbtitan2464 and none come close to Lupe gtfo
@@ownedpowned860 stop being biased
@@ownedpowned860 lol Buggin
'We're all chemicals, vitamins and minerals / Vicodin with inner tubes'.....keep this going
Man y’all trippin everyone knows I’m the best lyricist
I don't know anime, your bars are kind of weak.
Ibuki mioda best rapper of them all
Nah my bars are 🔥🔥🔥 (fire)
IBUKI AHAHAH YES
@@noname-et8xd it's from a game but eh
Lupe raps like if Kendrick and Ab-Soul did the fusion dance and became one Super Saiyan lyricist
I know it’s probably not gonna happen, but I would love to see these two bump heads in a beef
Didnt French Whotana do this too like a few months ago? These rappers automatically lose when they start pitting themselves over eachother
Lupe is actually better than Kendrick though.
Misha French said he had more hits than Kendrick
Kendrick's overall score is higher, but lupe has the higher "lyrical ability" attribute
That's incorrect. Just listen to Kendrick's the heart series. Those 4 songs discredit all your claims
And yes I've heard Murals
lupe is still beter
@@batman-sr2px every one of Kendrick's albums have more lyrical content than any of Lupes
@@king_vision4085 nah. Lupe is more intricate with his words, sometimes even too intricate.
Kendrick uses simple striking words to paint the bigger picture and connect with the audience. Lupe is point precision with his words to do the same, he's like an encyclopedia. Every song on Tetsuo and Youth shows that.
Was waiting for this
Lupe walked so Kendrick could run
"I need to address a bias"
No really
Is it a bias if it’s true?
@@thebatman8815 Well it would be, but he says his bias is that he just likes Kendrick better.
Macklemore has my vote!
Nah Tom McDonald
I love both of them to the point that they're comfortably sitting in my personal top 5. However, I will concede that I am a bigger Lupe fan as I believe he has 4 absolutely amazing projects (F&L, Cool, T&Y, and Wave) in comparison to Kendrick's 2 (GKMC & TPAB). Also, while I will say that Kendrick has a greater sense of how to work with an instrumental, melody, and at times makes more passionately delivered and anthemic stories, what can't be denied is that Lupe has done that in spades as well. Look at Hip Hop Saved My Life, Kick Push, Prisoner 1 & 2, Wav Files, and the Forever duology.
finally someone cultured
you can add DMIZ there as well
The cool is my favorite hip hop album all time but Gkmc is damn near perfect
Thank u for making this asap
Day 18 of asking Melon to review Big Time Rush's debut album "BTR"
You are the hero we need but dont deserve
Who's the best lyricist?
Melon : death grips
I think what Kendrick has in stylistic precision, and by that I mean saying exactly what he means but artfully and creatively, Lupe has in complicated layers, getting to the point through metaphor on metaphor. They're different for sure.
Missed opportunity to title the video "The Kendrick vs Lupe Fiasco"
Finally Kendrick gets compared to actual good rappers instead of mid rappers like J. Cole.
Dapez except cole isnt mid
The Cool blew my mind in high school man. Never heard creative concepts like that in a rap album before
Both have been in my top 10 since the first album I heard from each of them. I feel listening to KDot is like watching a Scorsese picture and Lupe is like Black Mirror. Both fantastic and suit different moods. I don't need to choose.
Dr. Seuss would kill Lupe any day.
Hop on Pop is straight 🔥
"Uhn... yeah... I said chicks wit bricks come. Chicks wit blocks come. Chicks wit bricks and blocks and clocks come. Look, sir. Look, sir. Mr. Knox, sir. Let's do tricks wit bricks and blocks, sir. Let's do tricks wit chicks and clocks, sir. First, I'll make a quick trick brick stack. Then I'll make a quick trick block stack. You can make a quick trick chick stack. You can make a quick trick clock stack." - Dr. Seuss, the GOAT.
Remember when this was actually a debate among fans at somepoint
It is still a debate and Lupe wins.
@@yd856 lupe doesnt have a TPAB....the cool is a great album but kendricks best albums body it
@@gavatundejr4986 lol Food & Liquor and The Cool are classics. Its not an easy body.
@@traplover6357 not an easy body, but i do think kendrick is beating lupe
Tetsuo & Youth tho
If one of these were to make an album mocking the eminem-white rapper formula, would that make them a satirical lyrical miracle
Imagine a song with both them on some bad meets evil back and forth
Lupe is the better lyricist, Kenny makes better music and albums
Nathan Trujillo Humble has aged very well. Tf are you talking about?
@@vibe9155 Humble is one of Kendrick's worst songs lol. He's wrong about TPAB though that album is a 10/10 masterpiece
@@2FadeMusic Humble is literally his biggest song stop with the bs
@@jjsweg9012 What a headassass comment, what does how "big" a song is have to do with how good it is? I guess Despacito and Shape of You are the greatest songs of all time then? LMFAO
Lupe gave us Mural AND Mural Jr. OF COURSE he's the better lyricist solely off those alone.
Mural Jr?
PTR Crispy I hope you’re being sarcastic
@@kschro1452 how old are you? Lupe is a master of wordplay. He would be better than kendrick if he had better beat selection, themes, and choruses. Kendrick wins on artistry
D M ever heard of GKMC? sing about me I’m dying of thirst is one of the best songs ever made, lyrically and artistically
@@DM-jn3zo @KSchro 14 to answer both of you Lupe is better at lyrics and wordplay in of themself, yet Kendrick is an overall better artist as he creates more powerful music and his lyricism isnt far off, but based on lyricism in of itself... Lupe.
as Kendrick once said "Pity the fool that made the pretty in you prosper"
Very good commentary Mister Melon. Thank You
Lupe is top 5 all time.
The way he has to do mental gymnastics and backflips to make a case for Kung Fu Kenny is kinda sad. He knows Lupe is a better wordsmith... SLR
both are god level rappers ... Im a diehard for both...waiting for new material from them. I hear Lupe is dropping a lot of trap inspired shit soon
Bars on Lupe fiascos new track BBQ Chicken better then any bar kendrick ever said tbh
“People using big words to make their similes heard, my simpler shit be more pivotal...”
Lupe's lyricism is absolutely insane, he is undoubtedly a better lyricist than Kendrick. You can argue that Kendrick puts out better quality projects, but bar for bar I'm going Lupe.
Nah he’s definitely not undoubtedly better. Just because Lupe’s bars sound more “technical” or “complicated” due to a crazy amount of double entendres and other wordplay techniques, doesn’t mean he’s a “better” lyricist. Is Joyce a better writer than Faulkner because his novels are more complicated? Are Dream Theater “better” musicians than Radiohead because they write 20+ minute songs with different time signatures and long solos? There’s skill in creating lyrically dense, cohesive albums like Kendrick does, and he’s truly in a class of his own in that regard.
@@KevinWidesouls Dream Theater are undoubtedly better musicians than Radiohead.
@@KevinWidesouls You get more content from Lupe...
@@KevinWidesouls they dont just sound that way they are, go on genius
Martin V To my main point, Dream Theater is more technically proficient; they’re all virtuosos. But writing has to matter at some point when determining who the “better” musician is. Dream Theater is one of my favorite bands but I still I think Radiohead writes circles around them. Greenwood couldn’t play half of Petrucci’s solos, yet Dream Theater could never write an album like Kid A. Versatility also matters too. Radiohead is a more versatile band, and Greenwood writes scores for movies. Innovation in sound/recording techniques can come into play as well. Radiohead is good on that front, as is Jordan Rudess and Petrucci in particular from Dream Theater.
This is manufactured controversy. It's all because Lu has repeatedly praised Drake but not Kendrick and Kendrick fans couldn't handle it. Then you have music writers looking for the next clickbait and bam, a new fake beef emerges.
One wrote Keisha’s Song and the other wrote Intruder Alert.
Lupe obviously > Kendrick
Kendrick > Lupe
How bout we just do a
Lupe(OG KL) = Kendrick
This is kind of like saying you can kick someone’s ass to your friend and then right when they walk in you act all friendly
You didn't have to call Lupe a HUGE Fiasco like that Melbourne
I think "The Cool" by Lupe is one of the greatest songs across any genre I've ever heard! It dug in my soul when I heard it. Kendrick has his own appeal tho but feel Lupe is a few steps ahead
I mean he's not wrong, Lupe is on another planet lyrically
That may be true, but Kendrick is in another planet sonically l, so... And it’s just poor form to go out and say “oh, I’m a better blah blah blah than whoever” It just makes you look either desperate, petty, or insecure, especially when you’re going after someone like Kendrick, who hasn’t really gone after anyone since his Control verse
Still worse
@@thebatman8815 i agree. Kendrick has a better voice and sonically better than Lupe. Kendrick is a better artist overall.
@@oneforalljustice5050 he definitely doesn’t have the better voice
Lupe is the better lyricist.
Kendrick is the better artist.
Debate over.
Y'all gonna review that Marilyn Manson album tho
NOT GOOD incoming
He sacrificed himself to wake the five foot giant out his slumber
*insert Cal reading “KENDRICK, KENDRICK, DADDY KENDRICK” comment here*
Early af boi. Get it Melon!!
Sorry anthony, but calling Kendrick Lamar forever inferior to Macklemore for 5 minutes is not a valid argument.
So in short everyone agrees with what Lupe said except TDE.
When it comes to lyricism I'm obviously the best lyrical miracle spiritual individual
That laugh at the beginning was so disrespectful.
I love it.
3:14 “I don’t recall Kendrick being caught up in anything like this...”
“WE ARE THE TRUE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL”
My fav is when he invited a white girl on stage to sing a song with a bunch of n-words in it. Like bruh.
I'm sick of these rappers not putting my man Nav on the conversation smh
If you listen to Tetsuo & Youth, you'll see that Kendrick can't come close to f-----g w Lupe lyrically or artistically or spiritually.
Did Lupe write GOOBA? That's what i thought
"now-deleted series of tweets" is such a funny phrase. Always sets up a good story
Lyricism:
Lupe - S tier
Kendrick - A to A+ tier
Mural gear!?
Kendrick doesn't have a WAV FILES, end this Debate
Lupe>>Kendrick
Lupe Doesn’t Have Fear How Much a dollar coast momma Sing about me Buggin.Better Poetic Writter kendrick>lupe
I can comprehend what Kendrick is trying to say, listening to Lupe makes me feel dumb
Lupe by a country mile, it’s not even close.
I know I’m preaching to the choir in this community but I get so worked up when someone says Kendrick is “one of the most overrated rappers of all time”. I’ve heard that so many times and I can’t even fathom why.