Two Maidens Talking Elden Ring! Shadow of the Erdtree: snakes, tree worship, and melding...
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- The lore maidens are BACK! Join me and K8 of Colloidal Electrum as we frolic in the boughs of the Scadutree for another installment of sleuthing and theories.
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If you don’t have the absolute harshest literal reading of ranni’s dialogue then you generally would come to the conclusion that her ending is about providing free will to the lands between and removing the influence of the greater will. Miquella’s way of controlling people and compelling them against their will is somewhat fascist in my view.
@@dkMansell96 unfortunately yes, I agree.
37:11 He says that line when he grabs you a second time, but you have used his rune to undo the mark he left on you the first time he grabbed you. It happened to me several times during my many fights with him.
Dang I miss this live!!! 😂my wife always says I’m The Dragon and she’s waiting for her knight in shining armor to come slay me and rescue her 🤣🤣
a part of me feels that the point of St. Trina is that dreams can give hope. Miquella could spread love and compassion through dreams, yet it is only subliminal on the mind yahknow? much like how Marika gives the tarnished, regulars, hope with freewill and what not.
that's a beautiful thought and i definitely agree with you. What i meant by what is the point of st trina was, what is the point narratively? She plays an almost non-existent role in the game, yet her effects and her lilies are all over the place. The only story we really get from her as that she appeared, was helpful and kind, then disappeared as swiftly as she appeared and that she is definitely miquella's other half that he abandoned in a chasm and that she wants to to kill him to spare him. So is that her entire purpose?
I can’t wait to name my son Elden
Catching up on your stream. I couldn’t watch it live because it started at midnight and I’m an old lady who just couldn’t stay awake.
Kate’s audio is so much better in this stream than the last one! Can’t wait to hear her thoughts on the DLC 🥳
I don't think the outcome of the dlcs events is bad per se, but the conclusion of it all seems very rushed and the dlc lacks the amount of details put into the base game. It kind of feels like the last season of game of thrones where the dragon lady does insane stuff. We kind of felt it would go down that route eventually but the execution came totally out of the blue without building up to it at all. I do think its boring though that miquella became the griffith of Elden RIng. The whole Berserk love letter stuff is cute as long as it doesn't spoil the story.
Oh. I went through the DLC on NG+ because I only had one character. I didn’t know it was that much harder. I struggled a little bit, but it wasn’t too bad. I used all the blessings I could find and my mimic whenever I was able to.
please hear me out. Miquella in the fight calls us Marikas lord. St. trina says that Miquella cant be a god because its actually a cage. I believe we are Marikas lord because she represents free will. That is how I came to terms with stopping Miquella from becoming a vessal for the elden ring. St. trina must have known that even if you shed the "fly in the ointment", gods having the emotions of humans like gold masks mask says, it would actually be horrible or something or the other lol.
@@DonutSwordsman brilliant ideas!!!
I felt sorry for Rennala already & feel even more sorry for her now :( She's literally broken ..
'Goopy Glupe' is also my new favourite insult for foul tarnished now lol
And I love the Idea of streaming ... all of it .. Y'all know what I mean^.^
Will look more into the flower power theory as well.
Playing the DLC in NG++ is ... challenging.
And 0h gosh thank you for the kind words & taking my thoughts seriously :')
Thank you for being awesome and wholesome and a friend to us both, Robin!!!
Great video guys, I love your perspective on this stuff!
I just realised something about Miquella. I thought he was a bit of an a-hole for taking away people’s free will, but what you’re saying about him doing it to show people what a world of compassion would look like could make sense. I’m guessing he would know that all his compelling spells would be broken once he shattered his rune, and if his plan was always to shatter his rune then his plan was always to give people their free will back.
Oh yeah now Kate is talking about this. Obviously this wouldn’t have gone unnoticed by her.
It is a bit frustrating not watching this live and I guess I could take notes and write one big comment once I’ve watched the entire thing, but my mind doesn’t work like that 🙈
Exactly!!!!
@@auranah_was_taken lol i can relate!
See, what instantly counters this is that he can take away our free will in the boss fight. this is showing he now has the power fully, and on top of that without all his emotions like love etc since he left it behind to not be "the fly in the ointment" like goldmasks mask descibes
@@DonutSwordsman see, what instantly counters this is that he says during the fight that we should fill our hearts only with love and still seems very clearly to be smitten with Radahn. It’s hard saying either way and open to interpretation. That’s so cool.
The Zamor handcuffs are actually the same symbol on the astrologers belt.
Are they really?!?? I need to go look at up ASAP!!
I know a lot of people are really disappointed about Radahn being the consort and not Godwyn, but i have a feeling that we have all the peices we need for Godwyns story we just hsvent puzzled it into place.
Radahn being the consort is very GRRM. Him naming his horse is very Dunk from the ASOIAF prequels. What I do pick up is that its not unprecedented in its entirety, but it just doesnt have the same footwork that a novel does. I do think it was hinted in the base game in a way, but for a lot of people it was about following the most emphasis which wasn't Radahn in a lot of ways. Dunk is a title character, Radahn isn't.
I feel like "the whole of it" is Marika's choices. Ranni is upending her choices. - death removal, pots, heroes, the Erdtree and the Shadow.
Where Miquella is allowing positive chaos. He accepts everything that came before him, regardless of what comes of it.
The irony is that if they were both in charge equally, neither absolute would be true and would be synonymous with a life and death cycle for souls. I think this dualism is the natural preset, until Marika changes it. I think both routes are problematic in nature, and that's the point - no one person reallh should be in charge of the entire cycle. In this way, neither Miquella or Ranni are different than Marika and all endings would be the same.
There needs be room for both superclusters, both gold and silver, life and death.
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I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought of grandmother trees and the melding harmoniously.
Shamans both in the base game (ancestral worshippers) and in the DLC (pre-numen?) seem to be tapping into the same thing.
And yeah you had it right, it's Bloodraven/Brynden Rivers and all greenseers. I'd love to hear you comparw ASOIAF mythos with Elden Ring more (I have several rants from the time that people weren't doing this, honestly 😅).
I think a Saint in the game means "person who brings people to the godtree) - I'm honestly not convinced Romina isn't a Trina or Gowry type, or that Trina wasn't later merged with Miquella as opposed to a natural part of him. In the pots, being a saint means bringing criminals to the tree via meeting with them so that those people can in turn merge with the tree.
I'm wondering if the Rot Romina found was Malenia, and that it was forcefully removed by her by the Blue Dancer after merging.
With the jars, the hornsents main religious goal is being absorbed with the tree, so they think using this method is a kindness.
I have a theory as to Marika's children being significant to the wars - she melds harmoniously, and death is removed from the world. If she kills her enemies, they will return *unless* she grafts them onto her essence. Her children are a safeguard against her enemies' souls returning to fight against her, or an attempt to.
Miquella is the GEQ's, Malenia would be the rot. I'm not convinced these two things aren't related, as working with recycling life comes in many forms in the game such as putrescence- which is more a symptom of the GEQ's role not being fulfilled.
I tend to believe that the mimics/albinaurics are the attempt to reuse putrescence and the wayward spirits, maybe even in attempt to direct the pots' souls from eachother. Again, they aren't actually dead. There is no death. That's why the knight appreciated the rest. Again, I think this used to he the GEQs original role, wrapping putrescence in godskin (which could be wood bark, and Godwyns body comes to mind) so that they become new bodies filled with reused souls, recycled out of death
Concerning K8 streaming, as a small streamer with on and off success - my suggestion is just do it! I'll absolutely catch it whenever I can because I love your thought process but ALSO it really just gets easier as you get those first few mulligan streams out of the way.
In regards to the Zamor, I think Kite is right that they're in relation to the jarred shaman. Indeed, I tend to think the mimics are her attempting to create new bodies for her already jarred kin to be moved into using the Primal Glintstone or a similar magic.
The numen are literally New-Shaman, and the perfected ones are at the top ranks. But came fractures, off branches of the same process. Sorcerers started making "seeds of stars", which is not different to pots. I also think most noble houses, like Marais and Hoslow, are likely probably remnants of the original Shaman culture.
two maidens? this aint maiden-less this is maiden-MORE!
@@vj7248 😂🤣😂🤣
55:48 Yesssss I was wondering when you were going to talk about the statue!
great stream which captured a valuable and unique perspective that hasn't been fully covered by other prominent content creators, like i never felt the deep sorrow of rennala's situation until i heard a woman properly empathize with it like this, or considered the direct ties between shaman/numen and the goopy gloops, these connections seem major
-the idea that miquella's future elden ring is in farum azula🤯
-those theories about the scadutree avatar and the thorns🤔
-potential lamprey people/wormface carvings in placidusax's boss room
-why are the fingercreepers associated with carian stuff and rykard?? his hands even look like them
between the deep esoteric knowledge and vivid dragon nightmares it's clear that k8 is tapped into something very special. i think miyazaki is considering analogies to real life politics and social issues
we got to see marika's trauma with the jar making in a way that tragically explains her callous behavior, it really resonates with the words said about how people cannot overcome their brain chemistry
miquella does seem fucked up in the head as well, from his eternal youth curse maybe but he definitely seems weird for the whole radahn situation and his approach to free will as mentioned. that being said it does feel like a waste that there aren't multiple endings to account for siding with him, i mean we can let death and the omen curse spread in the base game as stated
@@D3athL1vin thank you for this marvellous comment and sharing your opinions! I hope you’ll keep following us and engaging in the comments. I like hearing what people like and don’t like about the ideas we present and their counter proposals. It really enriched the speculative journey!
I hope you’ll continue to watch our streams together, on her channel and mine!
I couldn't really follow this, but if you guys had fun making it, that's ultimately what matters!
I have been scrubbing through but haven't found it. do they talk about metyor and perseus pisces?
Hey guys I was catching up on the last bit of the stream that I missed last night and saw the
the person pop up talking about "pale people", and saw they were in the comments as well. I feel like this person is definitely arguing in bad faith and a pot-stirrer. :( It saddens me when people like this appear. I'm sorry y'all had to deal with that.
But I do want to say! Great stream and I totally understand your opinions on Ranni, while mine differs, I definitely feel like we are each allowed our interpretation. This is a work of fiction and art and thus, "The Death of the Author" can definitely be in effect.
Yeah that guy later left a comment calling us communists that wanted to destroy the world; I thought he was just joking and being sarcastic at first when I saw the comments but no I think he’s serious?! But as Master Hewg says… “no bother; lay out your arms then.” 🤣
But it was so much fun hanging out with YOU!! You classed up the joint. ❤️🥰 Thank you for hanging out and sharing your insights with us!!
@@LoreMTD I agree with you on both counts. I think he’s a neo-nazi.
But I also understand how and why you see Ranni’s ending how you do. It doesn’t change my glorious opinion of you or your skills of deciphering lore or anything at all. You are wonderful and your opinion of Ranni makes me think you’re a thoughtful and optimistic person with wisdom, intelligence and integrity of character worth respecting. 💜
@@kitetales I love joining y'all's streams! I always leave with so many new ideas!
@@Luaeria Aw! You're so kind! I do have an optimistic streak, I must admit. I'm always happy to hear your lore revelations.
@@LoreMTD I’m so happy to share in this community with you and I’m really looking forward to the next time we have a girl group round table chat and stream our group conversations together!!
2:42:38 Sunflower seed oil?
Japanese and translation of the ending:
私は誓おう
全ての生命と、すべての魂に
これよりは星の世紀 月の理、千年の旅
すべてよ、冷たい夜、はるか遠くに思うがよい
恐れを、迷いを、孤独を
そして暗きに行く路を
I swear.
To every living being and every soul.
Now begins the era of Stars.
A 1000-year journey under the wisdom of the moon.
My Chill Night... All of it... Think of it as far away.
As we walk the dark path of fear, doubt, and loneliness.
Japanese and translation of the dialogue in Ranni's rise:
私の律について
私の律は、黄金ではない。
星と月、冷たい夜の律だ
…私はそれを、この地から遠ざけたいのだ
生命と魂が、律と共にあるとしても、それは遥かに遠くにあればよい
確かに見ることも、感じることも、信じることも、触れることも
…すべて、できない方がよい
だから私は、律と共に、この地を棄てる
About my order.
My Order will not be one of Gold.
It will be an Order of the Stars and Moon, and Chill Night.
...I desire to keep it far away from this land.
Even if life and souls are one with Order, it should be kept far away.
...Indeed it is best if one cannot see it, feel it, believe in it, or perceive it.
Which is why I will abandon this land together with my Order
私は誓おう すべての生命と、すべての魂に
“I shall swear to all lives and souls”
これよりは星の世紀
“From hereon is the Age of Stars”
月の理、千年の旅
“The laws of the moon, a thousand year journey”
すべてよ、冷たい夜、はるか遠くに思うがよい
“To all, you may think of the chill night as infinitely far away”
恐れを、迷いを、孤独を そして暗きに行く路を さあ、行こうか
“And now, let us go on our path of fear, doubt, and loneliness, into darkness”
(This is a literal translation to clarify the meaning of the Japanese dialogue: Some rewording might be prudent if it were for actual implementation into a game)
I came for the vocal fry. 😂 jk
Please try on Messmer’s clothes before you put them on the statue 😂 Bad wig and all. 1:00:16
lolol
Also, fellow autistic female here. I get caught up in semantics all the time. It would be a lot easier if people just said what they mean instead of taking backwards and speaking in between the sentences as well as writing between the lines.
I feel like I’m good at catching nuances and details in things people are saying that they’re not always aware of themselves. Sometimes this makes me really good at calling bullshit, sometimes it makes me completely crap at following a conversation. It is what it is.
My point is, I completely get where you’re coming from when you say you take things too literally. It’s kinda hard not no when it’s LITERALLY there in the text.
YAY!!!! Kite and I are both neurodivergent ourselves and having an audience that can understand the struggles and the lows and highs of the intricacies of our day to day lives makes us both feel so invigorated to continue doing these streams and building community. Thank you for joining us and engaging with us! We hope to continue seeing you!!
I really agree with the translation thing being really unfair. Channel Yoshimitsu showed us that we meet All Father Lloyd in dark souls 3, a character mentioned in 1, Gwyns supposed uncle. We would have never known that if he didnt redo the translations.
Miquellas age seems boring
@@christianlaw1992 lol