Yes it is an attack on privacy. It's no different then if all phone company CEOs where pressured and subsequently arrested for not tapping phone lines and recording everyones private conversations.
Regarding potential French moves on encryption as a whole - the center lost a lot of seats in the last French elections and now Macron is throwing a fit to try and not form a government in coalition with the left. Perfect reason to weaken privacy and encryption.
So, okay. I get what you are saying about Telegram versus Signal and you are not wrong. But you are missing exactly one very critical factor: Network Effect. How many people are on Telegram and how many are on Signal? How many "normal" users think of encryption and how many don't (/care)? Yes, Telegram is inferior in basically every aspect to Signal. But, people know it. And in the end, this is what matters for just about any product - no matter what it is. A car, a bread, a coffee, a show, and even a messenger. Here in germany, many people migrated to Telegram from Whatsapp because migration was quite easy and it was due to the ToS change that made everyone suddenly remember that Whatsapp is owned by Meta. xD It was rather funny. But the first choice was Telegram, simply because, "I heared of that thing." Network Effect is strong. And, often stronger than any argument.
The network effect has a tipping point eventually if there is no moderation and illegal activity the site gets shut down. -cardersplanet -megaupload -silk road -alphabay -pirate bay -this was going to happen eventually with clear criminal activity in public chat rooms to tie telegram with their lack if modeation and refusal to cooperate.
Question for Nathan and Henry, I just posted a comment with a rhetorical question about the possibility of France prosecuting CEOs of major US social media platforms, for similar allegations, and included a RUclips Link to U.S. Senate Testimony and questioning accusing FB and TICT0K promoting serious criminal activity and psychological harm to innocent people, and that comment was removed, after about 15mins, and I would like to inquire as to if you or someone affiliated with this channel might have removed it, or if it was somehow otherwise 'S'ensored? Thank you.
Yes, it is. Just as when this person had to escape from Rusia. Soooo.. Now France is the same as Rusia. Of course they are the "good" ones :D :D Same shit, different scent.
Yeah right, If donate to Ukraine you get sent to jail. The west isn't perfect but if you have a different opinion your free to do so within the law. Pavel ran a crime market and got caught. If he actually used E2EE, moderation, or complied with the police Telegram would be just like Signal. The funny thing is this could lead to a crackdown of actually safe, secure, and encrypted apps.
you don't even say you are against the West arresting CEOs of companies instead of following the law as suing the COMPANY in court.. idk how you guys can be "into privacy" but have such shit opinions on something this basic
Telegram is the Microsoft of messaging apps without limited moderation nobody would be using the app. It's just like Megaupload people used it for ip theft. When Kim Dotcom launched Mega it was E2EE. I'm sure the same thing was still going on, but now you have the more technical users using the site. When everyone will limited tech skills has access to a global crime forum, the police will definitely crack down. This is a privacy channel not a politics channel.
I loved their show and TechLore in the past, I just think they fell off because their political beliefs make them accept too much anti privacy things and they do not speak about privacy like it should be spoken about: No compromise. Also privacy is important for everyone, journalists, political figures and so on... when privacy completely goes so does any form of democracy. We all seem to have some youtube (google) account, so not saying anyone here is a privacy absolutist but not condemning governments for bullying a platform via their CEO to give private data is outright disgusting.
A lot of victim blaming in that Telegram case. It is ironic that dude fled Russia because didn't want to comply with their intrusive laws just to be arrested in France for the same thing. Just the fact that you have to have licencse for encryption is insane to me. You literally must get permission from the French authorities to stay private. It tells you a lot how low western governments have fallen. EU's war on encryption is not funny anymore. Thank god for second and 4th amendment.
You mean, the exact same Russia with the exact same leader and the exact same FSB that Telegram now cooperates with to root out "extremism"? Yeah, it's really ironic.
I'm not entirely convinced this is about E2EE. Signal for example complies with these requests just fine, but uses proper E2EE, and they're not getting sued or whatever for it. Telegram doesn't have proper E2EE and stores a lot more metadata. Like Proton and Signal, they need to comply with data requests (whether that's in France or the US), but they don't. Most likely because it'll be a PR nightmare for them, since they are a joke for privacy. They don't comply, not because it's the right thing to do, but because if they do, it'll expose how bad they are. It's their non-compliance that got Durov arrested, not their encryption. Maybe it can be spun into arguments against E2EE by France, that's true, but it is not a certainty in this case.
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Great video as always but maybe in the hurry to upload, you messed up the title. The first two words are switched around. Instead of “This is” you accidentally put “Is this” 🤔
Why should you be against the telegram arrest. In the public Telangana is a secure communication, and the base of the arrest is based on them not giving them a backdoor. If they lose there will be a president that CEO of an encrypted messages apps are now guilty of the crime of encryption
whenever i hear about Telegram i always comment that the default IS NOT encrypted, and 99% of ppl dont change defaults on Fuckin anything and its just stupid to ever use Telegram for privacy. I use signal altho I do use Telegram for group chats, but its literally a modern version of IRC which isnt private or secure afaik
Doesn't matter. This is no different then if phone company CEOs where pressured and subsequently arrested for not tapping every single one of their phone lines and record them to be looked at later whenever authorities ask.
These vague titles are kind of off-putting, honestly. The lack of individual story timestamps (at least for non-Patreon viewers) already makes it a bit awkward to look through. Just some feedback. I like the show, but these things make me less inclined to listen to it.
You can't trust the bias because even you can't trust custom ROM. I heard someone says gonna use Open Source Android but then taking 'a step back' not to use open source because of how 'late security patches were released', really not sure who is that particular person... I wonder who....
@@THE_TROLLS_WIN_BOY Yes it is! if they are being coerced to give up data on their users it is an attack on privacy. Privacy is a spectrum, Nothing is 100% secure and private.
Doesn't matter. And yes one on one conversations can be if you just turn on the option. This is no different then if phone company CEOs where pressured and subsequently arrested for not tapping every single one of their phone lines and record them to be looked at later whenever authorities ask.
Yes it is an attack on privacy. It's no different then if all phone company CEOs where pressured and subsequently arrested for not tapping phone lines and recording everyones private conversations.
So because a platform isn’t 100% secure, you’re OK with the government imprisoning the CEO for actions of its members.
This is why I use pigeons
@@arkvsi8142 🤣
ill send messages to you via pigeon if you send me messages via pigeon too!
I use mules, those funny little horses :D :D
sending messages to mike tyson?
Regarding potential French moves on encryption as a whole - the center lost a lot of seats in the last French elections and now Macron is throwing a fit to try and not form a government in coalition with the left. Perfect reason to weaken privacy and encryption.
Next, using GPG will be considered as a terrorist act :D
So, okay. I get what you are saying about Telegram versus Signal and you are not wrong. But you are missing exactly one very critical factor: Network Effect. How many people are on Telegram and how many are on Signal? How many "normal" users think of encryption and how many don't (/care)? Yes, Telegram is inferior in basically every aspect to Signal.
But, people know it. And in the end, this is what matters for just about any product - no matter what it is. A car, a bread, a coffee, a show, and even a messenger.
Here in germany, many people migrated to Telegram from Whatsapp because migration was quite easy and it was due to the ToS change that made everyone suddenly remember that Whatsapp is owned by Meta. xD It was rather funny. But the first choice was Telegram, simply because, "I heared of that thing."
Network Effect is strong. And, often stronger than any argument.
The network effect has a tipping point eventually if there is no moderation and illegal activity the site gets shut down.
-cardersplanet
-megaupload
-silk road
-alphabay
-pirate bay
-this was going to happen eventually with clear criminal activity in public chat rooms to tie telegram with their lack if modeation and refusal to cooperate.
Question for Nathan and Henry, I just posted a comment with a rhetorical question about the possibility of France prosecuting CEOs of major US social media platforms, for similar allegations, and included a RUclips Link to U.S. Senate Testimony and questioning accusing FB and TICT0K promoting serious criminal activity and psychological harm to innocent people, and that comment was removed, after about 15mins, and I would like to inquire as to if you or someone affiliated with this channel might have removed it, or if it was somehow otherwise 'S'ensored? Thank you.
youtube removes links in comment sections without any input from the channel owner.
Yes, it is. Just as when this person had to escape from Rusia. Soooo.. Now France is the same as Rusia. Of course they are the "good" ones :D :D
Same shit, different scent.
Yeah right, If donate to Ukraine you get sent to jail. The west isn't perfect but if you have a different opinion your free to do so within the law. Pavel ran a crime market and got caught. If he actually used E2EE, moderation, or complied with the police Telegram would be just like Signal. The funny thing is this could lead to a crackdown of actually safe, secure, and encrypted apps.
you don't even say you are against the West arresting CEOs of companies instead of following the law as suing the COMPANY in court.. idk how you guys can be "into privacy" but have such shit opinions on something this basic
Telegram is the Microsoft of messaging apps without limited moderation nobody would be using the app. It's just like Megaupload people used it for ip theft. When Kim Dotcom launched Mega it was E2EE. I'm sure the same thing was still going on, but now you have the more technical users using the site. When everyone will limited tech skills has access to a global crime forum, the police will definitely crack down. This is a privacy channel not a politics channel.
I loved their show and TechLore in the past, I just think they fell off because their political beliefs make them accept too much anti privacy things and they do not speak about privacy like it should be spoken about: No compromise.
Also privacy is important for everyone, journalists, political figures and so on... when privacy completely goes so does any form of democracy.
We all seem to have some youtube (google) account, so not saying anyone here is a privacy absolutist but not condemning governments for bullying a platform via their CEO to give private data is outright disgusting.
A lot of victim blaming in that Telegram case. It is ironic that dude fled Russia because didn't want to comply with their intrusive laws just to be arrested in France for the same thing. Just the fact that you have to have licencse for encryption is insane to me. You literally must get permission from the French authorities to stay private. It tells you a lot how low western governments have fallen. EU's war on encryption is not funny anymore. Thank god for second and 4th amendment.
What exacrltly has the 2nd amendment got to do with this topic?
You mean, the exact same Russia with the exact same leader and the exact same FSB that Telegram now cooperates with to root out "extremism"?
Yeah, it's really ironic.
Every country has its own intrusive laws unfortunately :(
France was mad that they don't have a backdoor, plain and simple. Hopefully Pavel beats the case.
@@Slimothy He’s going straight to prison.
I'm not entirely convinced this is about E2EE. Signal for example complies with these requests just fine, but uses proper E2EE, and they're not getting sued or whatever for it. Telegram doesn't have proper E2EE and stores a lot more metadata. Like Proton and Signal, they need to comply with data requests (whether that's in France or the US), but they don't. Most likely because it'll be a PR nightmare for them, since they are a joke for privacy. They don't comply, not because it's the right thing to do, but because if they do, it'll expose how bad they are. It's their non-compliance that got Durov arrested, not their encryption.
Maybe it can be spun into arguments against E2EE by France, that's true, but it is not a certainty in this case.
I really recommend you add a link to your sponsor in the video description
JMP site is kind of strange. I can't seem to find which payment methods are available, what personal information they require...
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Great video as always but maybe in the hurry to upload, you messed up the title. The first two words are switched around. Instead of “This is” you accidentally put “Is this” 🤔
@@calvinwalker4654 did you see the question mark when you saw it? Cause the title makes sense now
Why should you be against the telegram arrest.
In the public Telangana is a secure communication, and the base of the arrest is based on them not giving them a backdoor.
If they lose there will be a president that CEO of an encrypted messages apps are now guilty of the crime of encryption
What do you think about the Zen browser? (built on firefox)
whenever i hear about Telegram i always comment that the default IS NOT encrypted, and 99% of ppl dont change defaults on Fuckin anything and its just stupid to ever use Telegram for privacy. I use signal altho I do use Telegram for group chats, but its literally a modern version of IRC which isnt private or secure afaik
and I know its not a secure app.
Doesn't matter.
This is no different then if phone company CEOs where pressured and subsequently arrested for not tapping every single one of their phone lines and record them to be looked at later whenever authorities ask.
no it's not an attack on privacy, just use signal or that one tor chatting app
Edit: this man's voice in the first few seconds is unnatural 😭
These vague titles are kind of off-putting, honestly. The lack of individual story timestamps (at least for non-Patreon viewers) already makes it a bit awkward to look through.
Just some feedback. I like the show, but these things make me less inclined to listen to it.
You can't trust the bias because even you can't trust custom ROM.
I heard someone says gonna use Open Source Android but then taking 'a step back' not to use open source because of how 'late security patches were released', really not sure who is that particular person... I wonder who....
You're a few days later, aren't you?
Can't be a attack on privacy when it's not a private app.
@@THE_TROLLS_WIN_BOY Yes it is! if they are being coerced to give up data on their users it is an attack on privacy. Privacy is a spectrum, Nothing is 100% secure and private.
Doesn't matter. And yes one on one conversations can be if you just turn on the option.
This is no different then if phone company CEOs where pressured and subsequently arrested for not tapping every single one of their phone lines and record them to be looked at later whenever authorities ask.
@@adamjutras7024 no its not. Requires phone number also not standard encryption lol