I have arthritis in my thumbs and find it difficult to play anything action-oriented with thumbsticks, an all button controller like this might let me play stuff like Super Smash Brothers again. Thanks for showing this off, I didn't realize there were options like this out there.
There's a TON. Also, consider checking out the Xbox Adaptive controller coupled with a Mayflash adapter, or the Hori Flex controller for Nintendo Switch.
Specifically for Smash I would recommend looking into the Frame1 controller! It has buttons to emulate the right stick (and I believe it has a modifier button that allows you to angle the left stick in more than 8 directions).
There's also the "Smashbox" made by the same people who do the Hitbox... Like the Hitbox it's a little oversized being an all button arcade layout controller... But from the sound of it, it might be exactly what you are looking for...
Never had an urge to get a fighting pad. This one just looks so super sleek. Love the design, very clean. Edit: Yes, now I do have an urge to get one. Might save up or wait for a sale on them as they are still a bit pricey for my own taste.
so do you have the urge now or is it still not quite enough? (i got a fight stick and then made it into an arcade and now i have 3 arcades so be careful which slippery slopes you get on)
I don't think you can expect any sales. They are using the Brook UFB mainboard which is a hundred bucks alone, then comes the bill of materials for the rest of the hardware, labor & administrative costs. Looks like they aren't working with a huge profit margin where they can afford discounts at all. Look at their older pads, if you order them with PCB included and pre-built they come up slightly more expensive.
$200 ($220 now due to part availability issues) is on the lower end compared to the full-size ones. It's definitely an investment and if you can find a way to try an all-button controller or a Hitbox (I actually tried a Snackbox Micro at a convention's Guilty Gear Strive tournament and am now onboard to saving for one). Just saying compared to other all-button controllers it's about the best you'll do price-wise. And I'd probably rather have one of these than a bulky Hitbox.
The snackbox micro I bought out of curiosity but I use it nearly exclusively for fighting games now. It's actually really comfortable for lap use and I'm a fairly large dude.
@@midazct100 absolutely, down+forward will give you diagonal forward as an example. I've played on controller and arcade stick for years and adapting wasn't really an issue. Most modern fighting games are fairly lenient on inputs as well.
I just want to say I really appreciate your videos like these for accessibility. A lot of conventional controllers don't work well with my large hands and you have helped turn me onto to some very solid options.
I have one and can highly recommend it for fighting games and anything else that doesn’t need both sticks! You can also get an additional metal plate for the bottom to make it feel more substantial, and they have a ton of color options available for their buttons on their shop. (Rumor is they’re also making a smash box style controller with this thin form factor 👀)
it really is very weird to adapt but DEFINITELY worth it, i started on some snes beat em ups and shooters to get used to this layout, took a week, it was a lot of fun because it felt like i was playing these games for the 1st time again (i used to play A LOT on keyboard up until like 2005, but i always used my right hand on the arrow keys, i was not used to wasd)
I played Mario bros on an arcade cabinet and while the joy stick wasn’t optimal the jumping was incredible. I also have fond memories of my first time emulating and playing Mario on a keyboard. I think this video is telling me to take the plunge
Amazingly enough, I'm super stoked to play retro shmups with this and experiment/get used to controlling ship movement with buttons instead of a stick or dpad. This and the Mpress look fantastic. Now it's just a matter of waiting for fresh stock. Great video!!
Wait this whole time I thought fight stick buttons used keyboard switches inside, this kinda feels like how someone in their 30s learning that pickles are pickled cucumbers for the first time.
as someone who worked in construction holy crap i was able to identify you actually dub in a cinderblock being dragged specifically on concrete for the opening bit nice
Omg thank you for showing me how to change the directions to analog. I got this awhile back to play tekken but wanted to test out kazuya with it on smash. Thank you thank you thank you
At 8:15 I want to clarify that the switches are Kailh red CHOC switches, and the ones Bob got are Kailh navy choc switches. These "choc" switches are low profile and not the normal sized kailh box switches. Great video regardless! I definitely got one of your deskpads
Bro, I come by for the vids cause info's great and all, but holy crap the skits are some of the best content on youtube. you get me everytime man. "THAT A WULFF DEN?! *bag drop* " I nearly spit out my drink laughing man. Love the vids, you're killin it man
If you can get used to this using it with platformers, I do urge you to try out some street fighter or something cuz these things are really blowing up in the fighting game scene
I am in no way a fighting game person, but I AM a rhythm game fanatic, so this is still appealing to me ....even though I have a separate controller for rhythm games on the switch I kind of really want this haha
been waiting forever for layer shift's loki. already have their odin... but i just discovered golden lever has a version which is a combination of an odin and loki... Now it's just a race either whenever layer shift releases the odin, or whenever shipping to my country resumes from japan/korea to determine which i buy.
It's funny that I haven't even touched my Switch in over a year, nor am I into Nintendo stuff but I always catch myself coming back and watching every one of Bob's video anyway cuz they're THAT entertaining to watch 😅
I ordered one of these guys, though I won't get it until August I think? I'm excited to have it. I like having a bajillion controller options around my house as it kind of makes games a lot of fun to play especially when you wanna change stuff up. Your review highlighted something I haven't seen a lot of people talk about... the keyboard style switches. I'm interested in if I'm going to have to order some new switches, because the ones it comes with sound like they feel REALLY soft.
I think for playing by myself at a desk, I'd probably use the keyboard...but for with friends, if we're sat around a TV I think it would be kind of a pain in the butt to have in my lap. Everything's situational I guess
At least for this particular video I’m here more for the ads and the skits than the actual product review lol 😆 your desk mat on the other hand is absolutely ggorgeous I lovethose colors Also what do I think? I think we need some bloopers lol
Can’t wait for my desk mat to get here! Now if only I could get some Wulff Den apparel… I came back to say the part where you bite the fight pad made me laugh entirely too hard
Ok, I'm starting to think Bob has a secret twin and he is introducing him to us via ads so we are comfortable with the scenario, because I cannot believe the level of detail on editing two Bobs for ads and silly comedy bits.
There should be a clip that you can use to connect your switch screen to this or any joystick... Just like the clips that connect your phone to your controller, only bigger.
That actually looks pretty cool and so does the desk matt, love the colour. Would love to try it but already wasted hundreds on keyboards and gamepad stuff, hoping I could find one that didn't set off my carpal tunnel or arthritis... but non ever did, so I'm stuck using Xbox Elite style controllers.
The mousepad looks gorgeous. I already have two XL mousepads and love them, swapping them out when they get dirty or I feel like a change. Excited to rotate this new WulffDen one into the roster. 💙
The group that sells this thing goes to fighting game tournaments and make stock for the event. They sell out literally in the first half of the first day every time.
it wouldve been cool if it had an port or hole so to speak where a traditional arcade stick could fit on left side ofcourse and could be screwed out like 1 of those portable retro arcade boxs,would def be worth the price
Lighting improving in the studio as time passes. Blue was a bit excessive prior honestly. The apartment light gave you a more natural and pleasant environment. You are getting there, keep it up
I like the etsy all button you had a video on before. I bought one and it works well on switch with the mayflash adapter. It along with an sn30 are my travel companions
It would be interesting to see a comparison of this controller with the Boxx controller. The Boxx has been out for a while and I believe that Hax$, a pro SSBM player, used and promoted the Boxx controller for a long time.
I'm starting to think Bob did actually cloned himself but now the clones are cloning themselves. As that food delivery Bob was one vegan pizza slice short of a full pie.
I was dreaming of gamo2 k28 for Taiko and it's out of stock so I was hoping this would be a good alternate but it looks like this is always outta stock too, d'oh!
@@WulffDen I saw after I commented, actually! Clicking through and running the usd price for the gamepad plus shipping to Canadian dollars definitely made me trigger shy yikes!
1:40 “look. It’s lenticular, and shows you strong bones versus weak bones!” WHY. ARE. YOU. ME. 💀 I always talk to people about lenticular stuff and they are just like “….cool? 😬” cuz they don’t care about what goes into it. I’m glad I subscribed lol
Call me old fashioned, but I played a lot of games on Playstation (before I had a bunch of games that I have on my switch right now) and recently even on PC, so my muscle memory kicks in to use controllers like the binbok joy cons or a Playstation/Xbox controller I have played some fighting games like Mortal Kombat, Dragon Ball Fighter Z, and Smash Ultimate (although I don't think I would call myself a player that can remember complex movesets for several different characters). Out the ton of the games that I've played over the years, very few of them were of the fighting genre and even then they would become difficult for me to get a good feel for the more Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat type characters which can tie into frustrating difficulty curves (and is a completely different subject on it's own). As for platformers and side scrollers, again, my muscle memory from playing Boderlands 1, 2, Pre Sequel, and 3, Call of Duty Moder Warfare 2019, third-person games/shooters, racing, RPGs and hack and slashers just kind of gears up and gets me to use a Standard/Modern controller. TLDR: I grew up playing on my PS2, then PS3, Wii, DS, and PS4. Like wise man once said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" - Thomas Bertram Lance
I was used to wasd button layout, using thumb for up button kinda weird for me. You nvr press up and down at the same time, so i dont mind using middle finger for both buttons. But i understand it was faster using thumb for up button.
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I have arthritis in my thumbs and find it difficult to play anything action-oriented with thumbsticks, an all button controller like this might let me play stuff like Super Smash Brothers again. Thanks for showing this off, I didn't realize there were options like this out there.
There's a TON. Also, consider checking out the Xbox Adaptive controller coupled with a Mayflash adapter, or the Hori Flex controller for Nintendo Switch.
Specifically for Smash I would recommend looking into the Frame1 controller! It has buttons to emulate the right stick (and I believe it has a modifier button that allows you to angle the left stick in more than 8 directions).
There's also the "Smashbox" made by the same people who do the Hitbox...
Like the Hitbox it's a little oversized being an all button arcade layout controller... But from the sound of it, it might be exactly what you are looking for...
I love seing this comunity helping each other out and understanding others problems im proud of this comunity!
@@dazeNB Too bad the Frame1 has been sold out for over a year.
Me, who doesn't even have a desk: "hmm, yes, that desk mat would be a wise purchase"
I support your spending decisions. I have a desk that can you can store it on.
@@powderdropzone your support means a lot
use it as a table setting. Get 4
@@WulffDen oh look at Mr "I have three friends"
Big enough to be a floor mat
11:33
Nice callback to the time Bob mentioned that he got destroyed playing smash bros in a coffee shop.
it was a Moe's Southwest Grill, but who's counting, you know?
Bob, you literally have the only ads I don't fast forward. That shit is always entertaining.
...literally
i feel the exact same way.
Never had an urge to get a fighting pad. This one just looks so super sleek. Love the design, very clean.
Edit:
Yes, now I do have an urge to get one. Might save up or wait for a sale on them as they are still a bit pricey for my own taste.
Same thoughts. This is smexy
so do you have the urge now or is it still not quite enough? (i got a fight stick and then made it into an arcade and now i have 3 arcades so be careful which slippery slopes you get on)
I don't think you can expect any sales. They are using the Brook UFB mainboard which is a hundred bucks alone, then comes the bill of materials for the rest of the hardware, labor & administrative costs. Looks like they aren't working with a huge profit margin where they can afford discounts at all. Look at their older pads, if you order them with PCB included and pre-built they come up slightly more expensive.
$200 ($220 now due to part availability issues) is on the lower end compared to the full-size ones. It's definitely an investment and if you can find a way to try an all-button controller or a Hitbox (I actually tried a Snackbox Micro at a convention's Guilty Gear Strive tournament and am now onboard to saving for one). Just saying compared to other all-button controllers it's about the best you'll do price-wise. And I'd probably rather have one of these than a bulky Hitbox.
Oh, now that's a slick mouse mat.
Love your content keep it up girl just do what you want do don't let others decide for you and have great day see ya around
The snackbox micro I bought out of curiosity but I use it nearly exclusively for fighting games now. It's actually really comfortable for lap use and I'm a fairly large dude.
Is it possible to get diagonal outputs out of it? He mentioned something briefly in the video but I couldn't make much of it.
@@midazct100 absolutely, down+forward will give you diagonal forward as an example. I've played on controller and arcade stick for years and adapting wasn't really an issue. Most modern fighting games are fairly lenient on inputs as well.
I just want to say I really appreciate your videos like these for accessibility. A lot of conventional controllers don't work well with my large hands and you have helped turn me onto to some very solid options.
This is seriously one of the most fun Wulff Den videos he's made. I love the smash in the wild bit lol.
I have one and can highly recommend it for fighting games and anything else that doesn’t need both sticks! You can also get an additional metal plate for the bottom to make it feel more substantial, and they have a ton of color options available for their buttons on their shop.
(Rumor is they’re also making a smash box style controller with this thin form factor 👀)
it really is very weird to adapt but DEFINITELY worth it, i started on some snes beat em ups and shooters to get used to this layout, took a week, it was a lot of fun because it felt like i was playing these games for the 1st time again (i used to play A LOT on keyboard up until like 2005, but i always used my right hand on the arrow keys, i was not used to wasd)
I played Mario bros on an arcade cabinet and while the joy stick wasn’t optimal the jumping was incredible. I also have fond memories of my first time emulating and playing Mario on a keyboard. I think this video is telling me to take the plunge
Amazingly enough, I'm super stoked to play retro shmups with this and experiment/get used to controlling ship movement with buttons instead of a stick or dpad. This and the Mpress look fantastic. Now it's just a matter of waiting for fresh stock. Great video!!
Nice music selection at the intro. Glad to see you appreciate old school KoF 😁
Wait this whole time I thought fight stick buttons used keyboard switches inside, this kinda feels like how someone in their 30s learning that pickles are pickled cucumbers for the first time.
as someone who worked in construction holy crap i was able to identify you actually dub in a cinderblock being dragged specifically on concrete for the opening bit nice
9:44 "Hey! Could you shut up!?" triggered my Google Home and scared the shit out of me. LOL
Great video!! Love the KOF music in the background!!👌👌👍👍
Snack box? Give me a box of snacks instead, am I right folks
I come back and watch this video a lot not just because the snack box micro is a cool controller, but also for 11:32. It cracks me up every time.
Omg thank you for showing me how to change the directions to analog. I got this awhile back to play tekken but wanted to test out kazuya with it on smash. Thank you thank you thank you
I have 2 SnackBox Micros and they are super fun. I like mine with the heavy metal bottom plate
Getting the controller ready for battle killed me
If I knew how to use this kind of Stick Box, I'd get this for how clean and small it looks.
Great video but can I just say, you've gotten fantastic at these 1-man bits, seamless and hilarious.
At 8:15 I want to clarify that the switches are Kailh red CHOC switches, and the ones Bob got are Kailh navy choc switches. These "choc" switches are low profile and not the normal sized kailh box switches.
Great video regardless! I definitely got one of your deskpads
well, I do mention that they're low profile at 8:26. I didn't know "BOX" was a distinction for fullsized. Now I do.
Bro, I come by for the vids cause info's great and all, but holy crap the skits are some of the best content on youtube. you get me everytime man. "THAT A WULFF DEN?! *bag drop* " I nearly spit out my drink laughing man. Love the vids, you're killin it man
If you can get used to this using it with platformers, I do urge you to try out some street fighter or something cuz these things are really blowing up in the fighting game scene
10:40 -- "perpetually out of stock"
Nah... they only do preorders. This is not representative of the actual situation at all
The left is like using a keyboard with A-left, S-down, D-Right, and Space-Jump.
So glad you finally decided to check it out! I absolutely love mine.
4:39 it's also like how us Americans call small bandages well band aids because yeah it's a brand yet we call any thing like it a band aid it's weird
"HEY! IS THAT WULFFDEN!?"
*unwinds controller*
I want that moment tattooed on me.
FINALLY! Someone makes a mousepad that is also apparel so I can wear it out and about!
like a shawl!!!!
The skits and you eating the controller got me. Hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.
welp, guess i gotta add a new desk mat to the collection
also it feels so good to see you getting into keyboard and keyboard-esque stuff
Awesome song in the intro.
It’s from KOF’98. “In Spite of One’s Age.”
Just got my XL Desk Pad today, love it! great job!
you have such an awesome channel man and you are def the best controller reviewer on youtube much love man!
I never thought I'd hear a KOF song in a Wulff Den video ♥
-Bob, how many stick pad do you really need?
-YES
I am in no way a fighting game person, but I AM a rhythm game fanatic, so this is still appealing to me ....even though I have a separate controller for rhythm games on the switch
I kind of really want this haha
The aesthetically pleasing lights on this are almost enough to make me want a fight pad even though I never play games that would be good with one.
That cut scene where you throw something at yourself is great!
You're falling deeper in the mechanical keyboard rabbit hole by the minute, Bob 😁
the little skit at the end deserves a like
been waiting forever for layer shift's loki. already have their odin... but i just discovered golden lever has a version which is a combination of an odin and loki... Now it's just a race either whenever layer shift releases the odin, or whenever shipping to my country resumes from japan/korea to determine which i buy.
It's funny that I haven't even touched my Switch in over a year, nor am I into Nintendo stuff but I always catch myself coming back and watching every one of Bob's video anyway cuz they're THAT entertaining to watch 😅
I ordered one of these guys, though I won't get it until August I think? I'm excited to have it. I like having a bajillion controller options around my house as it kind of makes games a lot of fun to play especially when you wanna change stuff up. Your review highlighted something I haven't seen a lot of people talk about... the keyboard style switches. I'm interested in if I'm going to have to order some new switches, because the ones it comes with sound like they feel REALLY soft.
Man who needs Will when we have Bobs twin Rob
11:39 is legit what I'd do if I met the man in public.
Also, $200 is a little too pricey for this in my opinion.
I think for playing by myself at a desk, I'd probably use the keyboard...but for with friends, if we're sat around a TV I think it would be kind of a pain in the butt to have in my lap. Everything's situational I guess
These skits are Top Tier. Keep up the good work
I always adore the cinematography and quality of his videos, top notch content, appreciate alot!!!
9:39 - hey, I have the same wallpaper as you've got on the far right monitor!
At least for this particular video I’m here more for the ads and the skits than the actual product review lol 😆 your desk mat on the other hand is absolutely ggorgeous I lovethose colors
Also what do I think? I think we need some bloopers lol
Can’t wait for my desk mat to get here! Now if only I could get some Wulff Den apparel…
I came back to say the part where you bite the fight pad made me laugh entirely too hard
Ok, I'm starting to think Bob has a secret twin and he is introducing him to us via ads so we are comfortable with the scenario, because I cannot believe the level of detail on editing two Bobs for ads and silly comedy bits.
There should be a clip that you can use to connect your switch screen to this or any joystick... Just like the clips that connect your phone to your controller, only bigger.
That actually looks pretty cool and so does the desk matt, love the colour.
Would love to try it but already wasted hundreds on keyboards and gamepad stuff, hoping I could find one that didn't set off my carpal tunnel or arthritis... but non ever did, so I'm stuck using Xbox Elite style controllers.
I got this a little while ago and yeah, its my favorite portable controller! 10/10 would recommend.
This is the best fight pad I have ever seen
That moment when your old emulator days on keyboard are suddenly validated 20 years later.
The eShop is getting more Guitar Hero-style games, like the Frederic series, and this looks quite applicable for that.
Love Hipster bob and regular bob sponsor segments
The mousepad looks gorgeous. I already have two XL mousepads and love them, swapping them out when they get dirty or I feel like a change. Excited to rotate this new WulffDen one into the roster. 💙
The group that sells this thing goes to fighting game tournaments and make stock for the event. They sell out literally in the first half of the first day every time.
it wouldve been cool if it had an port or hole so to speak where a traditional arcade stick could fit on left side ofcourse and could be screwed out like 1 of those portable retro arcade boxs,would def be worth the price
Finally thank you I’ve been hard decision making of which desk pad I want but God your looks beautiful ima get your instead
Sick video. Nice reenactment of the kid who challenged you to smash.
Lighting improving in the studio as time passes. Blue was a bit excessive prior honestly. The apartment light gave you a more natural and pleasant environment. You are getting there, keep it up
Your mat looks great man, good job
Thank you so very much for talking about how to change the direction to left stick. I was losing my mind.😅
Deskmat ordered, digging the vibes of the spooky crt in the background.
I like the etsy all button you had a video on before. I bought one and it works well on switch with the mayflash adapter. It along with an sn30 are my travel companions
I wonder if this could be setup for keyboard shortcuts as well. Would love to have the gaming & productive functions as well
I don't see why it couldn't be used for shortcuts. There are many apps that allow keyboard mapping to a controller.
Never thought of that, wonder if this could be converted into a makeshift streamdeck when not using it for playing games
If you can get something that can map control pad inputs as a keyboard shortcut, sure!
It would be interesting to see a comparison of this controller with the Boxx controller. The Boxx has been out for a while and I believe that Hax$, a pro SSBM player, used and promoted the Boxx controller for a long time.
Nice job with putting "litigious" and "bespoke" in there.
thanks man had to bust out the ol' webster for this one
@@WulffDen your pragmatism and acerbic witt is appreciated
Thank you for another installment of Bob vs Bob.
I have a confession…
In only watch your videos for the skits…
Forgive me…
They’re hilarious!🤓😂
I'm starting to think Bob did actually cloned himself but now the clones are cloning themselves. As that food delivery Bob was one vegan pizza slice short of a full pie.
I was dreaming of gamo2 k28 for Taiko and it's out of stock so I was hoping this would be a good alternate but it looks like this is always outta stock too, d'oh!
they go by pre-orders. so you just gotta get at it a little early so they know how many to make
@@WulffDen I saw after I commented, actually! Clicking through and running the usd price for the gamepad plus shipping to Canadian dollars definitely made me trigger shy yikes!
I personally like that my one thumb controls up/down/left/right. Switching that to four fingers instead sounds exhausting lol
I really don't need this but I was looking for a hitbox like switch fightstick. Thank you
Love the video! So well put together, amusing and informative, and it's also about an interesting product.
If I ever run into you, I'm going to immediately challenge you to Smash... Just please politely decline because you'll crush me like an egg
1:40 “look. It’s lenticular, and shows you strong bones versus weak bones!” WHY. ARE. YOU. ME. 💀 I always talk to people about lenticular stuff and they are just like “….cool? 😬” cuz they don’t care about what goes into it. I’m glad I subscribed lol
That last skit at the end of the video had me weak
😂 “HEY! Is that Wulff Den?!”
What is the stand you are using at the start of the video? Looks really nice
Call me old fashioned, but I played a lot of games on Playstation (before I had a bunch of games that I have on my switch right now) and recently even on PC, so my muscle memory kicks in to use controllers like the binbok joy cons or a Playstation/Xbox controller I have played some fighting games like Mortal Kombat, Dragon Ball Fighter Z, and Smash Ultimate (although I don't think I would call myself a player that can remember complex movesets for several different characters). Out the ton of the games that I've played over the years, very few of them were of the fighting genre and even then they would become difficult for me to get a good feel for the more Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat type characters which can tie into frustrating difficulty curves (and is a completely different subject on it's own). As for platformers and side scrollers, again, my muscle memory from playing Boderlands 1, 2, Pre Sequel, and 3, Call of Duty Moder Warfare 2019, third-person games/shooters, racing, RPGs and hack and slashers just kind of gears up and gets me to use a Standard/Modern controller.
TLDR: I grew up playing on my PS2, then PS3, Wii, DS, and PS4. Like wise man once said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" - Thomas Bertram Lance
thats cool that someone made one of those but so much smaller than usuall
0:13 hahaha. It's like opening a tomb.
you should look into a frame 1 controller when they restock. they're an all button style controller that can be used as a N64 or GameCube controller
I am interested...
What desks are those at 9:36?
I was used to wasd button layout, using thumb for up button kinda weird for me. You nvr press up and down at the same time, so i dont mind using middle finger for both buttons. But i understand it was faster using thumb for up button.
All this fightpad look super cool and very interesting, but the price is always insane.
I love it. And honestly, when you look at what it would cost to buy the universal fight board, the price isn't bad.
That intro was some pretty good ASMR, not gonna lie
My brother has this and uses it when we play dbfz on ps4