Man's Role in Co-Creation | Jamie Wheal
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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This is a clip from yesterday's podcast release with Jamie Wheal. In it, he and Dr. Jordan B. Peterson discuss the role of humans to both act as stewards of the earth, and take part in the same spirit of creation as outlined in Judeo-Christian scripture.
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Dr. Jordan B Peterson, your video topics are consistently at the forefront of what those in AI need to learn, reflect on, and consider for the future. Thank you for pushing these important conversations forward. Great subject choices. Very frontier, yet might not seem like it given the title of the video.
Oh you humans, always working so hard to undo the shackles you place on yourselves
God, is that really you?
Cariños desde Chile 🇨🇱 . Gracias por tanto Jordan
"Just so!"
There is zero nothing "just so" about the Bible. It's complexity, sophistication, seriousness, and depth are constantly being cited as supposed reasons for rejecting it.
Love your videos sir God bless you
We bought a house from a man that used to own a Christian bookstore. Def found some Biblical stuff in his basement. I mean… don’t get me wrong, there’s nooooo wayyyyyyy he was Jimmy Hoffa, but his early life story sure matches. Also the “R” letters and “f” letters. And foot issues that affected his knee/legs in later life, just life Hoffa. I know I know. Wild imaginations, but he straight said in the letters, that they switched out his medical records with someone else. Wild.
Wait…
@@psalm1197 yeah… nooooo way he was James Hoffa not a chance that must be the wild imagination. I mean… there’s no way they had him in Bellefonte before the lewisbug prison sentence obvi
Reminds me of “The Matrix” when they talk about different versions of the matrix and how the perfect world collapsed because there was no challenge or adversity, and humans were wired to reject that.
“The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others”.
It has been the best coercion system of how to act ever written. Free you mind.
Lifetime I've prayed
This guest has that 'I'm high in opennness' look.
I would like to see a discussion between Billy Carson and Jordan Peterson
Yeah, the order is find endless fairness. That allows infinite growth.
The universe is finite which necessitates that everything within the universe is finite, therefore infinite growth is not possible.
If you take the gnostic interpretation, why not take up also the fable of Lilith?
But that is even more glory and understanding to the fulfillment of Jesus Christ because we see that God consisted by Abraham’s father as well, but showed himself his friend with Abraham by giving him his name El Shaddai (the Lord Almighty) and to His chosen in scripture. (the matriarch and patriarch)
You're exploring the connections between Gnosticism, Lilith, and biblical narratives.
_Gnostic Interpretation_
Gnosticism emphasizes spiritual knowledge (gnosis) and often explores mystical connections between biblical figures and events.
_Lilith in Biblical Context_
1. Adam's first wife, created equal to him (Genesis 1:27).
2. Refusing to submit to Adam, leading to her expulsion from Eden.
3. Becoming a demonic entity, seeking revenge against Adam and Eve.
_Abraham's Encounter with El Shaddai_
Genesis 17:1-8 (TS2009) describes God revealing Himself as El Shaddai (The Almighty) to Abraham, promising:
1. A covenant.
2. A name change (Abram to Abraham).
3. Multiplication of descendants.
_Connections and Insights_
Exploring Lilith and Abraham's narratives together offers intriguing perspectives:
1. Dualism: Lilith represents the opposing force to God's plan, while Abraham embodies faith and obedience.
2. Redemption: Jesus Christ's mission can be seen as redeeming the fallen creation, including Lilith's legacy.
3. Divine Sovereignty: El Shaddai's revelation to Abraham underscores God's power and authority.
_Relevant Scriptures_
- Isaiah 34:14 (TS2009): "And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and the jackals in their pleasant palaces. And the time for them is near to come, and their day shall not be prolonged."
- Genesis 1:27 (TS2009): "And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him, male and female He created them."
- Genesis 17:1-8 (TS2009): "And when Aḇram was ninety-nine years old, Yahweh appeared to Aḇram and said to him, 'I am El Shaddai, walk before Me and be perfect.'"
_Gnostic Texts_
- The Zohar (Kabbalistic text)
- The Apocalypse of Adam (Gnostic text)
- The Book of Jasher (ancient Jewish text)
this format really suits me
On earth as it is in heaven 🫶🏻♾️🖖🏼❤️🙏🏼
Amen
Sorry, have to make adjustments.. thank you for sharing. Have a good one.
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I pray that Dr. Peterson takes Proverbs 3:5-6 to heart and learns to let go of his analysis of the text and lets the Holy Spirit teach him. He seems to approach God's word as a Bible scholar rather than as a believer. The Word has so much more depth than psycho-analysis of the stories.
? This is an interesting way to think about it because he calls the Bible factual. The way he talks about it is how he sees it. If his understanding is too complicated for you, that’s okay. You have your separate relationship with God. What makes you think he doesn’t believe?
@@Mirro6112 Too complicated for me? No. It's too worldly for me. To reduce God's word to an analysis of human psyche and behavior, often overlooking the lessons on how we are to better know the Father, and His love and instructions for us is unfortunate. Dr. Peterson has said that he's a believer and it's not my place to say that it's not true. I just almost always find myself let down when he ventures into discussions about the Bible. Dr. Peterson is an incredible person who I really admire. He really seems to have a heart to help people and has done just that...beyond what most of us have. It just saddens me that in matters of faith, which are of the highest importance, he seems to be unable to escape the role of psychologist and let God do the teaching.
@@mattwilson5092 I don’t understand that. The Bible is a book. It’s meant to be read. To read you need to comprehend, and the Bible isn’t exactly straightforward. He does almost exactly the same thing as Pastors, he just applies it to science and finds the connections. It seems really judgmental of you to pity him for his efforts to apply the Bible’s teachings to the whole population, when everyone else does that regularly, at just a more limited comprehension level.
@@Mirro6112 Ok. You obviously don't agree with my opinion, nor do you have to. That's fine. It's my opinion. I'm sure there's value to the world in his analysis of the Bible, I just question how much value it gives to the Kingdom.
And what makes You believe that You know how Peterson should be using his abilities and circumstances? You cant deny that Peterson is a person gifted with quite an impressive intellect and his actions seem to prove that he doesnt want to keep it for himself but to bring people to truth and understanding the bible, sounds quite like a well aimed christian for me. I know his impact on quite a bit of people and what is Yours? Do i sense a drop of jelousy? Maybe You should contemplate on Your own journey and form a proper prayer around that my friend?
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Of course for your protection as well
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A naughty child thru a stone into the sacred waters. This created splashes, drips and spray. The sacred water longed to be one again.
This is the reverb of a disturbance. Sound plus light creates matter at a frequency.
We long to be still.
Belief systems that are vulnerable to logic are vulnerable to more than logic and not resilient in these regards.
We are in the age of the reemergence of metaphysics
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I have to say this wasn't one of JBPs finest (and I'm a HUGE JBP fan). For one I didn't really learn anything about book this guest wrote. JBP referred to it but I have no idea if it's something I would read. The more important thing is I kept hearing this guest refer to evangelicals as some sort of radical right wing nazis. He seems to be indicating JBP should be using his platform to tamp them down and get them in line. I don't know where this view comes from but I would have expected JBP to not allow him to paint with such a broad brush.
I’m 30 and still attempting to come to terms with the fact, I’m most likely going to die alone.
Stop being a defeatist and a imediatist, work on yourself and confront the fear of being alone. I know It's easy to say, but I was once in the very same shoes.
The infinite game of Loved how you would want to be loved.
If your cold then your gonna make reason for another meeting.
Jesus Christ also says to pray for those who despitefully use you.
Also there is so many types of games and to the person hosting it becomes such a magical artistic thing when it’s done right in there, expectations met. What they hoped that would look like, and the enjoyment to be involved.
Also honor and respect in the sport of the activity.
The heros journey is thus,change.
Sweeping de-base able statements are useful in futile discussions for content devaluation =]
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Unstable doesn’t know what he wants to believe in now ….
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I sometimes wonder how things would be if Adam had told Eve no. He would not partake of the fruit.
She would have died.
Adam would not have died.
He would still be alive apparently. Would he be the only one ??
Would the Lord have fashioned him a new wife??
Would they have still had children?? Before she died?
Would they have the death curse??
Things that make me go “hmmmmm.”
The way I interpret it is humans before they ate from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil were basically like dumb and naive children, walking around naked in a nice garden all day, probably did nothing but eat, lie around, play with animals, sleep with each other etc., so a happy and sinless but also meaningless existence. In my opinion it was a good thing to eat the fruit (assuming all of this really happened but even if we're just talking about the philosophical implications of the story) to gain knowledge of good and evil, even if that means we all have the potential to be evil in us, this also means we have the potential to resist evil and do good and that's what makes good people so special, not just that they're good because they have no alternative like before they ate the fruit and are just by default good, but because we know we all have the potential for evil in us but some are strong enough to resist and that they decide to be good instead.
Also we have to wonder, if god created everything including the garden of eden, why did he put that tree there? Why even create a tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the first place, if no one is allowed to eat from it? He says he didn't want us to eat from it but that doesn't explain why he would even be willing to risk that it might happen by creating that tree and putting it in the middle of the garden, with easily reachable fruit (he at least could've put the tree on a high mountain to make it more difficult) for us to take.
But to answer your questions, yes Eve would've died eventually but since god probably would've kicked her out immediately I don't think they would've had children, so she most likely would've died alone somewhere while god makes Adam a new wife.
I'm guessing Adam and Eve were supposed to eat the apple. Think about it, God places the tree smack dab in the centre of the Garden, he also allows the Serpent into the Garden.
It seems that God wanted us to eat the Apple. It's analogous to a parent who wants children to grow up to be strong competent adults like themselves. That has to be done by allowing them out into the hard world. We have seen the consequences when children have been sheltered their entire lives and it's not pretty.
We are not pets to God, but Children made in his own image. This inevitably means we had to obtain the knowledge of Good and Evil.
@@lp4514 What the tree of knowledge of good & evil symbolizes is God's singular right & authority to decide what is good and evil and not mankind of even angels. Its the realm that as the Creator no one is allowed to trespass or else death & chaos will follow. Because we didn't create ourselves our Designer by default KNOWS (the knowledge) what will work for us and what won't. Once we decide to reach out and grab the position of God by deciding what is good & bad for us we automatically lose. The world that exist today in its chaos madness & ununifiedness is a reflection of us deciding what is good and what is evil. This is why no such peace has existed on this planet since that day. No such lasting peace at the very least. The design cannot change what it was designed for. The creation cannot change what it was created for. The corruption is immediate at that point. This is why only God is allowed to eat from that tree. It is God's tree. This is symbolism of course again. The ability to reach out and decide for yourself what is good & what is evil is within every human's reach. This is why the physical placement of the tree doesn't matter. It couldn't be placed "out of reach" because of Freewill.
@@zayinseven7923 It depends on your interpretation of "knowledge of good and evil". The way you described it, that we since then were able to "decide" what's good and evil for us ourselves is one way it could be meant. I interpret it more as "knowing/understanding" what things are objectively good and evil. For example before they ate from the tree it says "Adam and his wife were both naked and they felt no shame", then they eat from it and it says they "realized" they were naked and then were ashamed (so it's not like it they "decided" on their own that being naked is bad now, it implies more that being naked was always objectively bad, for an intelligent being at least, but they were not aware that they are naked before because they were too simple minded and eating from the tree gave them the intelligence to see that they're naked and to realize that that's a bad thing).
This gets further confirmed later when they hide from god, he asks why, Adam says because they are naked and god doesn't say "why are you ashamed about being naked?", he says "who told you that you are naked?". So it seems even god doesn't question/deny that being ashamed about being naked is wrong/bad, he was just surprised that they suddenly were also aware that it's wrong and now just wants to know how they realized that.
So my interpretation what exactly eating from the tree did is it basically made us more intelligent and more conscious and able to tell the difference between what good and what evil is. Before that we were simple minded like animals or children, because animals also are not ashamed of being naked and animals don't understand the concept of right and wrong, that's why even when an animal hurts someone we don't say it committed a sin, because we agree that the animal is not conscious of his actions and doesn't understand what's right or wrong, it just does things. So humans before that in eden were more like sheep or cows, they just ate, slept and played, the thought of doing "good" or "bad" things didn't even cross their mind since they didn't have a understanding of good and evil yet.
But now once they were able to understand which actions are good and evil and they, with that knowledge, still willingly decided to do the evil thing it was a sin, also apparently with that increased intelligence it was also possible now to get temped by evil to commit sin in a way it wasn't before. So to summarize, eating from the tree made us aware of the concept of good and evil, therefore conscious of our actions and more intelligent, which means we can willfully decide to do bad but also willfully decide to do good things and aren't just simply minded sheep walking around in eden anymore. Which for the most part is a good thing in my opinion.
it's just a bedtime story dude, it's really not that deep.
The reason for one on one so you'll understand who I am and why I'm here . Christians have the closest idea to what God is and how God started. In the real beginning. Now your fairy smart and should easily be able to know if I am lying. After I get done you won't need faith . And Christians your not God servant You do the right thing because you LOVE God. Servant make you feel used And a little hint the more you LOVE GOD the more GOD LOVES YOU BACK Jordan once you are filled with the Holy Spirit your walking on water. That's what it really means. From your friend Christopher
Mere irony that the words mercy, forgiveness, peace, and love thy neighbour are going against us with a certain demographic take over! 🙏
More and more everyday these people feel so brazen to boisterously voice their opinions that essentially lead to the genocide of all Western peoples. Even the ones who claim to be Christian themselves can't get over their animosity towards us. Unfortunately, Jordan will not utter a word in defense of us.
The best lies are cloaked in truth and beauty. Or else no one would buy them.
Its intentional. On one hand, it captures people who want to exhibit those traits. On the other, those who oppose these modernist hijacked terms appear to stand against traditional terms making them "evil", "nazi", "totalitarian", an "existential threat", etc.
Exactly, ((they)) make a mockery of those who follow christ.
Pagans have always exploited the moral righteousness of Christians. It's been happening since the early days of Christianity.
Roman authorities took advantage of Christians' refusal to fight back and their commitment to peace.
From the martyrdom of figures like Polycarp in the 2nd century to the persecution of Christian communities across the Roman Empire, pagans used Christian moral principles (e.g nonviolence and forgiveness) as a way to suppress them without fear of retaliation.
This has been a recurring theme throughout history as Christians are targeted for living by their convictions.
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Is this a competition of hand gestures
As always I have a flood of thoughts. First of all, the title of Jamie’s book makes me smile. It is in reference to the “wise thrush” in Robert Browning’s poem “Home Thoughts From Abroad:” “Lest you think he never can recapture that first, fine, careless rapture!”
And then with regard to the death of God, I do think we moderns don’t realize the extent to which the Great War broke humanity, as a whole. It was the first mechanized war. Through my study of some of the literature of the time period… and I’m not an expert but I studied with professors who were… I saw the societal and spiritual breakdown of our collective psyche, and I don’t think humanity has ever really recovered. Thus, “the death of God” because it seemed there was no sense to be made of such mass catastrophe.
And then when I think of Zarathustra lamenting the death of God, his entire monologue a shriek of centuries of anguish, I think of the two on the road to Emmaus, who were weeping and lamenting the death of God, but God was walking right beside them in the person of Our Lord. And I think that the same applies today. God walks with us even when our eyes are holden and we do not know.
I was reading Robert Frost’s autumnal poem “In Hardwood Groves” to my kids, and I was struck by the thought that the rhythms and patterns of nature are a way to understand the cycles of human history. And so “the death of God” could be the death of the leaves that “must go down past things coming up”. And that is the only way for Resurrection and a new season to come. “However it is in some other world, I know it is this way in ours.”
With Ruth Anne’s love
Ok I could understand an isolated incident but malicious fecal distribution is uncool 😂😂
what did the bible say about judea?
Correct. It is a warning to us about the jews.
Or we can believe that Jesus was who he said he was and be radically changed. Yeah, a great story can deeply impact you, but a great God is someone you can literally know. I'm happy to know Him, by no merit of my own and without deserving his love & atonement.
Jobe loves God And if Jobe goes down he goes home. So father knows best. And even if Jobe soul was lost he felt true love. And the devil never ever will. All the devil dies makes it's hell worse. So Jobe already joined heaven long before the devil bet. Amen amen
The “sun” of man….
Christian Scripture is Koine Greek. Not English. Those words do not rhyme in Koine Greek.
@@scottmcloughlin4371Good point!
@@scottmcloughlin4371Why do they need to rhyme?
@@grandattack9986 all raps need to rhyme otherwords it just be mime
Rhyming makes it true./s@@grandattack9986
I wonder if people are gonna say have you heard the story of Jung or Abraham Lincoln.
The passion a reenactment of the only Begotten of God (Elohim).
To set guard over his mouth even to empress Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea. Even to have the confession of who He was declared out of his own confession, and for Jesus To say even more about His Kingdom that comes and that was not His Kingdom.
Then to see our generation, and that of stories.
in the truth of Him as the Author and Finisher of Faith! ❤
And the consideration of the letter of Timothy, concern and warnings of seducing fables and endless genealogies
Here are the scripture references related to your reflections:
*Pontius Pilate and Jesus' Confession*
- John 18:33-37 (TS2009): "Pilate then went inside and called for Yahushua and asked Him, 'Are You the King of the Yehuḏim?' Yahushua answered him, 'Do you speak this of yourself, or did others inform you about Me?' Pilate answered, 'Am I a Yehuḏite? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?' Yahushua answered, 'My reign is not of this world.'"
- Matthew 27:11-14 (TS2009): "And Yahushua stood before the governor, and the governor asked Him, saying, 'Are You the King of the Yehuḏim?' Yahushua said to him, 'You say it.' And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing."
*Jesus' Kingdom*
- John 18:36 (TS2009): "Yahushua answered, 'My reign is not of this world. If My reign were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Yehuḏim. But now My reign is not from here.'"
- Luke 17:20-21 (TS2009): "And being asked by the Pharisees when the reign of Elohim would come, He answered them and said, 'The reign of Elohim does not come with observation, nor shall they say, "Look here!" or "Look there!" for look, the reign of Elohim is in your midst.'"
*Author and Finisher of Faith*
- Hebrews 12:2 (TS2009): "Looking to Yahushua, the Author and Finisher of faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the stake, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of Elohim."
*Warnings against Seducing Fables and Endless Genealogies*
- 1 Timothy 1:3-4 (TS2009): "As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain in Ephesos, that you charge some that they teach no other doctrine, nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than the stewardship of Elohim which is in faith."
- 1 Timothy 4:7 (TS2009): "But reject profane and old-wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward Elohimliness."
- Titus 3:9 (TS2009): "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and strife, and disputes about the Torah, for they are unprofitable and useless."
- John 1:14 (TS2009): "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only brought-forth from the Father, full of favour and truth."
- Colossians 1:15-20 (TS2009): "Who is the image of the invisible Elohim, the first-born of all creation. Because in Him were created all that are in the heavens and that are on earth, visible and invisible."
- Revelation 3:14 (TS2009): "And to the messenger of the assembly in Laodikia write, 'These words says the Amĕn, the Trustworthy and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of Elohim.'"
Play for you works well because of your child like heart but play like life’s a game doesn’t work, playing in life does.
See when his jobe' s family died they went to heaven. And the devil lost. See how can you punish by sending them to heaven win win. So Jobe had to take a beating but the prize is heaven. Win win. I do feel bad for the devil he already lost. God rules.
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Which bible? 👀🍿
It's safe to use the Septuagint for the OT and the N/KJV for the NT. We live in a time where people can make a translation of any book they want, it's up to the individual to use discernment and find accurate translations.
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Ha Jordan gravity moves fast and from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. Now how would you think I would know that? From your friend Christopher
Please look into Chris Bledsoe
Those that take the Bible literal have little to no understanding of it...
Only the Holy Trinity can account for reality and objective truth (Transcendental Argument). Fools despise the Truth and love their vain pursuits. The fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom.
brainwashed... making claims you have no idea to be true.
Simply not true lol
Science / Archeology have proven much of the bibles people and places. Funny this guest ignores or more likely doesn't know this.
It has also proven that some of the earliest myths were copied/reused from other cultures and that the version of the bible isn't the original. Take the Noah story, we can more or less directly trace it's origin to a much older Sumerian/Babylonian flood myth that is exactly the same story except that it's about multiple gods. And we didn't find any evidence so far that early Hebrews had their own flood myth, the first texts that mention Noah were written after their time in the babylonian exile. So no Hebrew flood myth, then Hebrews spend time in Babylon where people tell them the babylonian flood myth, suddenly afterwards Hebrews have their own flood myth that's almost identical to the babylonian flood myth, which can't be a coincidence.
(And I know the books of Moses claim to be older but biblical scholars assume they actually weren't written by Moses and were also all created by different authors in and after the babylonian exile, since we so far don't have any prove at all that Moses even existed or that the Exodus happened the way the bible describes it)
So just because some of the people and places of the later biblical stories were proven to be true doesn't mean the rest is true too and unfortunately we have to be skeptical of everything until we find certain evidence.
I got lost here.
i found you boo
@@eduardothomaz4261thanks, social media.
Is it possible that our current social system has produced or at least given authority to more narcissism?
I agree with all of this but I know a hand full of people that never want a fair fight. Is there something to this?
Being as “ gods” means we are to reduce our behaviors, and spend our ‘fruitful ‘ time contemplating existence….🤗🙏
Am I the only one who sees Peterson as 1 of the theologians stuck in the gray place in "The Great Divorce." Hopefully he's living it instead of grasping it
Abandon Jung
Blame is the quickest way to stop looking for answers... When the only thing that matters is...
The Cure!
Blame is the opposite to responsibility, it's that easy...
Make hard things easy, add want, and enjoy it...
About twenty emotions control EVERYTHING...
Noah ark carried blood samples DNA that's how he did it. And Noah had two purposes. From your friend Christopher I can show you what heaven is. And where. Oh and the reason gravity moves faster is because it holds light together if the gravity stops so would the light . So do you want to know the greatest story ever told?
Putting juvenile rats together to play a game and using the outcomes to extrapolate human behavior is pushing it a bit.
The academic discussion on a normal outcome doesn't address the complexity of the human experience in that we as humans operate in a very very complex society. There are families with their own subculture that are inherently sociopathic, almost bred for it, that reinforce the need to seek out conflict where dominance is the best outcome.
Never discount the over weighted impact sociopaths have within our population. They may be somewhat of an outlier but they certainly take advantage of the academic normal behavior and lead the average person to question their actions.
this video’s take really clicks with some of the things I've been reading in ebook magnetic aura from Borlest
Which Bible, the nonsense from Nicea, the kings Bible.
Jordan, you are being asked explore the attributes of "Demand & Supply Food Production" in the interests of all (1 included) Despite your compounded issues due to causal exposures you are capable and in a position to help undo some of the insanity of headless corporate bodies and improve the chances of this planet reaching a condition of near civilisation for perhaps the first time.
you are not being asked to turn water into wine in this instance (no matter your star sign)
Do you think Jordan likes cats
It depends what you mean by cats
yes he loves them im almost sure of it
@@haydenbueckert3056that was pretty good xD
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Is there a full video on this
Jordan, reach out to me. I will blow your mind with the knowledge God gave me. I understand the Bible because God allowed me to know it so that I can shut up the ignorance of men. Without the real wisdom of God, even the wisest man’s earthly understanding of the Bible is still trash. Just look at the Pharisees, they thought they knew, but they had no idea what they were reading. Take me at my word, I am taught through the Spirit, just like Jesus prophesied would happen. Paul said how is someone to know the mind of someone else unless their spirit enters them. That’s me, I had that experience, God is with me.
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Many moons ago groups of powerful people looked for a method of keeping the poorer less educated human beings under control. Then came the bibles and the stories in an effort to keep human kind under control. The power struggles for ultimate control came through the fear of death and nothingness, through shame.
Fact
Your position is one of complete ignorance of the development of human societies, the way we organize and make sense of our experiences and the meaning of the biblical corpus. On a scale of error, you could not be more wrong.
Think it's the other way round.. to live as a true Christian sets you free from your slavery.
@@timducote5713 nope he's just stating pure fact. You're just in denial. Maybe deep down you know your beliefs are bs and so when they get called out for what they are you get all defensive and butthurt
@@stewystewymc3929 Pure fact? Nonsense. I'll add you to the list of those who haven't a clue.
Jordan gets more handsome as time goes by🥰
God is pure awareness , made in his likeness would be a fractal awareness . ( torus donut implosion upon self recurring awareness ) .
Which God? There has been literally 1000s over the past 50,000 years lol.
The God of Abraham Issac and Jacob.
word salad
@@sonicboove4865God, not a deity
read the forbidden book Magnetic Aura on Borlest, and you'll see the secrets they're keeping from us.
We are rewriting history books as we speak and sheeple think that a book from 2000 years ago is accurate?
sorry and praying for you
We have original scrolls. We know, from the near-source, that it is accurate.
Even if people believe Abe Lincoln was a 5 foot tall transgendered woman, we can review source material to see that it is incorrect.
That's what's cool about the Truth. It is, whether you believe it or not.
Do you always say things without evidence? Can you prove that it isn't accurate to what was available 2000 years ago?
You don’t know the word ‘apologetics’ do you?
When that 2000 year old book is accurately describing the defiance destructive behaviors that humans exuded back when and is naturally following the same set of behaviors now. That is something to take very seriously!
Or for example how ritual practices of satanism is seemly becoming pseudo normality's through society, which is scary. Because humans that believe in religion, will see that as the act of the devil and if no one is stopping the glaring destructive behavior. Then there is something really going wrong.
Jeremy Griffith has already compassionately put the crucial biological piece of the jigsaw in place. Science and religion has already been unified but sadly mechanistic scientists are ignoring the universal reconciliation that is now possible. I implore our great leaders like Jordan to investigate this utterly crucial biology.
To use the BIBLE and believe seems wrong, dare I say evil.
What?
No it isn't
If that's what you think, then you haven't actually read and applied any of it.
I'll pray for you.
You may be possessed by a demon or a thousand. Still you are a child of God, so I'll pray for you.
You might try praying for yourself.
I think that's a simplistic understanding of what religion does.
People say it causes wars.
I say would there be fewer wars without religion?
Some say yes. I say no. But I don't think yes is a dumb answer. I just don't agree with it though.
@@user-oo8xp2rf1k Our priest always told us: "When a religion (or a member of the religion) tells you something, always ask yourselves is this what Jesus would do?, Is this a manifestation of love? If the answers steer to a negative result, you know you are being steered into the wrong". He called it the love test.
The bible. Oof.
Then why on earth do you support h-exuality, Jordan? It's clearly condemned and there's no second thought on it unless you treat the bible like a subjective salad bar.
According to the bible adultery or divorce is just as bad, so should we also condemn every single person that divorced their partner (which is probably almost half of all marriages)? And do you want to create laws again that we should stone gay people and adulterers (every person that ever cheated on their partner) because that's also pretty clearly stated in the bible. You can't just go half way and say you just condemn it verbally but then not also go with the second half of that particular law that demands to stone those people to death. What about all the dietary laws, are you following every single one of them?
As you said the bible is no subjective salad bar so you would have to follow EVERY of the 613 laws it mentions, not just focus on the one about gay people.
I would just live my life the way Jesus did, show compassion to the ones who sin, forgiveness, mercy. Basically hate the sin, not the sinner. Also gay people don't willingly decide to be gay, they are born that way (just like there are also gay animals like giraffes sometimes, it just sometimes happens in nature). We don't know why it happens but it happens on its own, it's not a decision, so you can't blame them for their nature. It would be better to as I said be like Jesus and show a bit of compassion, even if you think it's wrong or evil then let God be their judge when they die, it's not our job to be their judge.
@lp4514 A. This is ill-informed, they are treated differently and addressed differently in the Bible.
That being ALL sins are worthy of death.
Some sins are worse sins however.
So they all have the same punishment in heaven, but they are not all equal in how bad they are in value judgement here on earth.
B. H-exual relations are stated clearly as an ab-nation, that does not put it on the same level. that means it transcends just being a sin, it's an anathema to human flourishing, which is the point of the Old Testament, under God.
Adultery (there really isn't much difference with divorce) is abhorrent, but it's not the same thing as h-exuality.
And this is all beside the point, that concerning heaven, a sin is a sin is a sin, they all merit deletion, even to think of it and dwell there as a sin, merits deletion.
C. And this is all beside the point, that concerning heaven, a sin is a sin is a sin, they all merit d3leschon, even to think of it and dwell there as a sin, merits del3shon.
ⓘ 𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵á𝘳𝘪𝘰 censurado 𝘱𝘰𝘳 𝘥𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢çã𝘰 𝘥e Alexandre de Moraes