How Do Horcruxes ACTUALLY Work | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to give you a comprehensive guide to the most evil of objects: Horcruxes!
How are horcruxes made? How do Horcruxes Work? How do you Destroy a Horcrux? Can a Horcrux come back to life? We get to the bottom of it all!
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lol imagine the multiple spidermen meme happening with voldy. lol multiple voldies in a circle all surprisingly pointing at eacvhother. what a strange movie that would be lol. like, voldy wins but ends up in some sort of multi minded psychosis, freaking the f out. "oh thats just voldy, gonna take him a while to sort himself out"
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So you said the opal neclace isnt a horcrux....but ive always thought it was actually the FIRST ever horcrux and thats why no one could even touch it
“How can you form a relationship with a ring?”
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Ironically, the ring of power also contained a bit of soul of another dark lord. And that bit of soul did exactly what the locket ended up doing to the wearer. Did JK use the ring of power to influence how horcruxes work?
@coolnerdlll6053 can't be that blatant come on now. It's fine if other works influence you, but if you go full tilt and outright steal an idea from someone else, that's just plagiarism. The similarities are already very apparent. A piece of jewelry infused with the soul of an evil dark lord that will torture the wearer and will fight back against being destroyed. That bit of soul keeping the one who put the soul into the jewelry tied to the mortal realm. And the only way to defeat said dark lord is by destroying the jewelry completely. There are differences aplenty to keep it from just blatant plagiarism
@@brettbrooks5511Yeah. She almost certainly did. The One Ring is actually both a lot like a Horcrux and the complete opposite at the same time. Sauron is a Maia, and so he is immortal by nature. When he created the Ring, he actually introduced that weakness of binding himself to the Ring in exchange for more power, specifically power over the 19 Rings of Power. Had he never created the ring, he never could have been permanently killed. Basically, before he created the Ring he was like Voldemort when he has his Horcruxes. You can kill his body but he never truely dies, and he can form a new body. When the One Ring is destroyed, Sauron isn't actually killed. He's reduced to a spirit, never able to gain enough power to reform a body, because so much of his power was put into the Ring. He becomes a lot like what Voldemort was after he tries to kill Harry as a baby, except he can't come back.
I mean it’s also a dangerous magical object that’s keeping another dark lord alive so…
Voldemort's downfall was choosing Horcrux items that were way too specific. All he had to do was turn a grain of sand into a Horcrux and then chuck it into the Sahara Desert. Job done.
The reason he made Horcruxes in the first place was because of his immense, overwhelming ego. At that point he wouldn’t choose anything other than what he did.
Facts. His obsession with meaningful symbolism screwed him over in multiple ways.
I'm not sure if you can turn a sand grain into a Horcrux. Would the soul physically fit into it?
Yeah, Harry pitched this to Dumbledore although he said it’s not like portkeys. But why not? The locket was hidden with no human connection so it’s not anything like that
@@Ollie.H-2301 well I'm sure it could
I had always thought the idea of the soul as a sheet of cloth was a good metaphor. When you do harm and bad makes the sheet dirty. You can do good to clean it but stains remain and takes alot of work to truly be clean again. Depending on the evil acts causes the sheet to fray the ends and tear. Murders would cause clean rips of the sheet but most people do their best to keep it small and to not tear that sheet too much. I assumed making a horcrux would purposefully do great evil and murder with the intent to tear your own soul sheet so much that a piece of it would tear off completely. This would be real Dark magic and would explain why not all murders immediately create horcruxes. The caster has to intentually make the rip completely tear their soul.
Thx for answering my question 😊. Also, really good reference
Taking your very good analogy, committing murder does cause your soul to fray and tear, but is remains intact and repairable. Even if the soul tears, remorse and repentance can repair the damage somewhat. After you commit murder, THEN you cast the horcrux spell. That takes that piece of soul and PERMANITLY separate it from person.
Even Grinwald soul, after his defeat but before his genuine remorse, was cleaner that Voldemort's soul post Goblet of Fire.
I feel like these are really good explanations.
This is a classic case of me opening a SCB video thinking "I know everything about this topic" and then saying "oh I never thought about that actually" about 20 times by the end of the video
Same.
You are in my mind!
I always saw the diary as being able to come back because Voldemort had probably put so much of himself into it. NO Im not talking about it being the first horcrux (although that may have helped) but like with the painting in Dumbledore’s office Voldemort probably wrote a LOT about himself and his feelings in that diary growing up so the diary could take on his persona.
You could have something there. Voldemort pours his hopes, dreams and fears into the diary over years of his life then gives it a part of his own soul. Fast forward and Ginny also pours her hopes, dreams and fears into the diary allowing it to try and develop a life of its own. An unintended self aware existence like the ford angelina. Possibly with Ginny's soul trapped in the diary in place of Voldemorts.
@@Senkoau agreed mostly I do think Ginny soul itself would probably have been consumed to create the second Voldemort
@@SenkoauI actually think the opposite. what we see of Tom is hatred, anger and hostility. I think he intended it as a weapon in a Sauron-esque way. like he poured his malice and his cruelty into that book for years. it also makes me wonder if he used the diary after it was a horcrux.
That "1 year old Harry decapitating Voldemort" bit would be so fun seeing art of 😂😂 am I the only one?
Throw that into Sora AI and get a 1min vid of it
The opal necklace could be something voldemort experimented on to practice the protections he had in mind for his horcruxes
I feel like part of why the diary had such an effect was it is the only item that personally belonged to Voldemort like his it’s true owner, everything else has passed through so many hands
To me, it feels like the Diary was more 'aware' than most of the other Horcruxes. That could be because of what it was, but either way, that begs the question. How conscious IS the Diary, and did it at all resent Voldemort for essentially 'trapping' it inside the dairy, and having it sealed away. It's like it was locked in a prison, but with little chance of a visitor. Going by that line of logic, it makes sense why it tried to make a body for itself. It probably wanted it's autonomy back.
I suspect that all of the horcruxes had the sentience, but only the diary had a good way of displaying it. We see the locket try to convince Ron to not destroy it, so maybe all of the horcruxes had this ability to intelligently react to the world around it. perhaps wearing the diadem would have had a similar effect where it allows Voldemort's soul to attempt to control you.
I always interpreted that the diary instructed ginny to perform a resurrection spell/potion, since it was also able to instruct her to speak parseltongue. I personally don't think the diary did manifest its own body, I think it effectively Imperio'd Ginny into doing it for him, just that the spell or potion used was different than the one Wormtail used.
Yes, the more I think about it, the less "special" the Diary seems to be. It looks like all Horcruxes are conscious, and they contain a copy/snapshot of Voldemort's personality, the way he was at the time the Horcrux was made. It does not age or change. The Locket had Tom Riddle's *dark* eyes, not red, as though the entity living inside it was frozen in time and also quite independent from the real Voldemort.
@@Snidget-76 I hadn’t even noticed that each horcrux represents who he was when he made them. Like nagini is in attack mode because so was he, Harry is relatively passively successful because Voldemort thought he was about to beat death when he killed Lily. The other objects are very mysterious and dangerous like how he was while he was hunting these items down. That’s an awesome parallel
@@seankrake4776 You know, I was thinking more in terms of Tom Riddle's age and how much he knew about the world and his own "future", but that can also include his mood and goals at the time! That is a very interesting thought 👍
I was also wondering why the Horcrux in Harry does *not* manifest as a separate consciousness. It only seems to affect Harry's emotions.
@@Snidget-76 - Indeed. It makes me wonder what it would have been like if all the Horcruxes found 'hosts' and by the time Harry comes around, the world is still at war, and we had like, 5 separate incarnations of Voldemort battling each other for dominance, while the Shade is doing it's thing. And Harry is just like "They are going to expect me to fix THIS??"
15:25 The necklace could have been Tom practicing to know exactly what spell he needed to cast to put the protections on the ring
I would appreciate more of an explanation over how the soul portions are all always equal. Not to say it’s always 50/50 either. What if the ripped piece is a different size each time you kill you someone, dependent on how attached you were to the individual. Like, killing someone you truly love would result in the largest piece possible, and someone you didn’t know (or someone you wanted to kill) would result in the smallest possible piece breaking off.
So the way I look at it is that the soul is like a body of water with a shared consciousness: water can divide itself, be poured back into one source, and divide itself all over again. Now imagine that these pieces of soul are _unlike_ water in that they are not physical, and therefore do not conform to the laws of physics or size. They don't really _have_ a size at all, though if you need to picture them, imagine they are capable of growing or shrinking on their own. The consciousness is always evenly split between them because it is in all of them at once, and since they themselves do not have a size, they are the size of the consciousness, which is one thing rather than the seven things its split between.
Is that confusing, or does it make sense? I know it's a bit abstract, lol, but souls themselves are abstract because they aren't physical constructs, so they don't work by the laws we're used to in the physical world.
Actually, let me just put it this way: if the act of "splitting" the soul takes a little bit from each piece to form the new one, then they'd always be the same size as each other, and each one would get smaller and smaller: less and less human as they were spread thin. First you'd be 50%/50%, then 33%/33%/33%, then 25%/25%/25%/25%, then 20%/20%/20%/20%/20%, etc.
@@aisleelovegreenwood6448 I don't think this part is true. I don't think a percentage of a soul tied to an object would jump from that object to a new one. I think your first idea is more on track.
I think of it like having a single long chain, and a big anchor at the end of it. the chain (soul) never changes sizes, but when your soul splits, it breaks the anchor(vessel). You still have the same weight, but if that part of the anchor gets destroyed and removed from the chain, you lose the weight of it. while all portions of the anchor were attached, the chain was the same length, and overall had the same weight. it doesn't take half of the chain and connect one part to each half anchor, it just segmented the anchor that provides the weight to the chain. when any part of the anchor gets destroyed, it lessens the whole weight of the chain, and when all parts of the anchor have been removed, the chain no longer can grasp onto the seabed(the world of the living).
This video got me thinking about the basilisk bite Harry endures.
His life is saved of course by Fawkes' tears, but could the bite have potentially destroyed Voldemorts piece of soul in Harry - without Harry dying?
I guess not, as he is not beyond repair as a vessel.
Would he potentially have been able to speedrun all the "becoming the master of death" levels in his earlier years, so he could decide to go back after basilisk induced fatality?
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I read your comment like 10 seconds before that part of the video happened 😂
A small part of me wonders if when each of the horcruxes were slowly possessing the person if it was also that piece of voldemorts soul trying to gain a new body
So, the Rings of Power, then?
I think it may have still had the possessing effect if it wasn't for the curse voldemort put on the ring on. From what I've seen/researched sofar the only times the horcruxes have purposely harmed someone before a connection is made. Are when they're are the protective curses on the items. Like example the container the locket was in and the curse in the lestrange vault. Sofar the only horcruxes that have been violent with out having the possed connection first is nagini and a small part harry also depending on how you looked they're fights.
@@Elementalgodess-1 I think that each of the horcruxes had some sentient factor like the diary.
we see the locket affect the minds of those wearing it, and even remotely trying to convince Ron not to destroy it.
we know the Diary had the ability to communicate via the ink.
I suspect that even Harry's insane luck and abilities were that portion of voldemort's soul trying to protect the vessel.
we know that Dumbledore gave into the call of the void and touched the ring, which may have been that portion of the soul trying to protect itself by tricking Albus into a deadly curse.
we don't see much about the cup or the diadem. but I've got some ideas:
we know the cup was with the party for a while. one thing I've always noticed is that Ron and Hermione act kinda strange during the battle for Hogwarts. Hermione is constantly remarking about how brilliant Ron is. we see Ron also complementing Hermione for her bravery and ability to deliver. maybe becasue the cup also had some magic from Helga, Voldemort's soul only had the ability to try to convince a person that their greatest qualities were actually much less than others, and we just don't get enough time to see it play out.
We also don't see the diadem for very long. it doesn't seem to have any protective spells on it, but in the room of requirement, we see Crabbe uncharacteristically decide to do something of his own volition and cast fiendfyre. perhaps the diadem convinced Crabbe to attempt this very powerful spell in an attempt to defend itself. this one kinda fails because it is what ends up destroying it.
A Voldemort vs. Voldemort fight would have been amazing!
Imagine both of them going "Nyeh-heh-heh" at the same time.
I think that the wandering Voldemort soul would have inhabited the resurrected Tom's body. kinda like how he does with Quirrell, Harry, and Nagini.
@@seankrake4776 I just had a sudden image of Voldemort on the back of Ginny's head throughout Chamber of Secrets. Tell me that's not funny.
I love when J starts to make a mini theory about the opal necklace and the ring protection 😂 this mini of script moment
If young tom riddle came back could that half of voldemort make more horcruxes
No, since its still only a part of the original Voldemort. How can you make more pieces of a piece? Probably wouldn't be large enough make it effective, since Voldemort already has so many horkruxes. 😂
@@4louisMC there is no limit to horcruxes you could create an infite number... why not tho?
@@4louisMC I can take a broken piece of something and break it into even smaller pieces, though. Plus, the version of Voldemort we think of as "Voldemort" is just as much a broken piece as Diary-Tom-Riddle is: they're both equally _him,_ it's just that the other one got to live more years, so it's like future him and past him, basically. He split into two that day, and one got to live in the body while the other was forced into an object. Neither one of them is the _whole_ him (there _is_ no "whole" Voldemort anymore), but they're both a genuine _chunk_ of him. They're both conscious.
@@malteb.372 I think there is a limit to how many horcruxes one can have. We can see in the last movie, that (although he was still strong) Voldemort was only a shadow of the one we saw in Chamber of Secrets, so everytime he splits his soul, he will be less of himself because there will be less soul in his body. You could compare it to our world when you cut a cake in half and then again and again and again, eventually you will have such small pieces that you won't have anything cake-related left, for example only some hydrogen, oxygen and carbon atoms that you can't call cake anymore
@@einflinkeswiesel2695 The Diary soul might be a larger fragment capable of being successfully split. Especially if the piece grew from absorbing what was Ginny's soul-- then it might be able to make seven Horcruxes like the original Voldemort
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I always found it interesting that Harry got the lightning shaped scar when he became a horcrux, but there was never any indication that any of the other objects got any kind of mark when they were made into horcruxes.
I don't think the scar is a result of being made a horcrux but rather of the spell itself. Although the killing curse is not supposed to leave a mark, I think Harry was an exception because the curse interacted with Harry's mother's blessing/charm and the interaction between these two powerful forms of magic was the scar.
Harry was made a horcrux by accident as Voldemort's soul was so maimed that a piece came off and attached itself to Harry upon Voldemort's death. I
@@olandirI always assumed the scar is from when Voldemorts soul forced itself into Harry's body. I might be wrong though.
Wasn't the part of soul inhabiting Harry an accident, whereas all the other horcruxes are deliberate, making Harry's case a bit different from a horcrux proper?
I love how he wanted to be immortal, but didn't even make it to 60
I think he died at, like, 71.
@carmensavu5122 December 1926-May 1998 would in fact make him 71. You're correct.
This got me thinking about how Dumbledore told Harry he didn't think the potion containing the locket would actually kill the drinker, because Voldemort would've wanted to interrogate him. That makes no sense, since drinking the potion makes you so thirsty you'll drink water filled with corpses, waking them up so they WILL kill you. (Being killed by inferi tends to ruin interrogations.) Furthermore, as was pointed out, Voldemort cursed the ring so it would kill the wearer. It was only very fast action on Dumbledore and Snape's part that stopped Albus's death from being immediate.
I went back and checked slughorn’s memory in half blood prince. They use the verbs split, tear, rip, and divide, but they never actually say “in half”. I suppose it’s sort of implied? I always assumed voldemort is just ripping off small chunks from his soul
For all these years, I’ve always been under the impression that the Horcrux was used up to bring back the witch or wizard. I wonder how I didn’t realize that I was wrong lol.
I remember thinking that until I was like, _Wait, but none of them were destroyed when he came back, so...what the heck?_ This makes it all make a lot more sense. If they anchor the piece that was inside him, and _it's_ what's put into the new body, then nothing happens to them, and they get to just keep on existing.
My thinking is that every Horcrux COULD become it's own person but only through very specific means. The intended function is as an anchor but each soul piece is still sentient and I imagine being trapped in an object is unpleasant. Knowing that the diary works by draining life force,I kinda feel like the ring's curse is how it comes back,by draining life force. The others I'm unsure of but I think it is,at least,theoretically possible for each Horcrux to become a Voldemort, even if it's not exactly practical
I think it would be possible through the resurrection potion Voldemort used in book 4. I think it is made specifically to revive you from a Horcrux, and originally your Horcrux would be placed in it. Its multiplication effect was, however, never tested, as there is no point of using it before your body dies, and nobody before Voldemort had multiple Horcruxes.
Through attachment, I'm not sure for most of them. Unlike an intelligent diary, the other objects are hard to attach to, unless the way you obtain them makes you so through memories, but they aren't supposed to be found and taken possession of.
@leventebardossy5962 I'd say that sounds about right. Whatever baby-like form he was in in book 4 seems kinda like it was a Horcrux of sorts
@@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185 Indeed, it may have been some temporary Horcrux, which the prime soul shard could leave without himself dying (like Quirrell). I'm not sure though if it's an ability one single Horcrux automatically gives someone or Voldemort just got it from making many.
@@leventebardossy5962 I'd agree,sounds about right
I think you should re-visit "The Fraction Theory" but this time remember that Tom learned about horcruxes and inquired about splitting the soul into seven peices as a student (in other words, before he made them) so instead of halving it each time Tom would have intentionally put 1/7th of his soul into each of the six horcruxs he intended to make, leaving the last 1/7th in his body. He will accidentally split this last 1/7th into two 1/14ths, one in harry and the other floating around in the albainian forrests or whatever.
If he could actually exactly measure and split his soul like that. But perhaps, the soul got halved every time, first horcrux had half oh his soul, the second 1/4, the next one 1/8 and so on.
But he didn't knew he could split his soul into seven parts when made the diary and the ring a horcrux.
My headcanon is that the fragments were messy painful tears not clean cuts.
Thats an interesting thought @@patrickhackett7881.
Its made me think of another theory that not only could they be tears or rips as opposed to clean cuts but also the size of the piece of soul ripped out could vary depending on how emotional you are when you make the horcrux.
For example if one just killed an unknown, random person its might be a smaller fragment of soul ripped apart versus killing someone you know and hate or even love (Tom couldn't love but if if someone else made a horcrux than maybe.)
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I believe the diary was actually the 1st choice for him to return.
I think once riddle had become corporeal or whatever from taking a students life force, riddles memory would become the perfect vessel for voldy prime to return. The horcrux would remain as an anchor in the diary. AND this way he gets to keep his nose 😂
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"could there be two Voldemorts?"
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also knowing that Voldemort could exist in Quirrell's body, could Voldemort prime have lived in Tom's body?
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With the horcrux's not attempting to do the same thing as the diary, could it be that they somehow felt that voldermort had a body and therefore felt no need to make/steal another one?
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I would love a video about your theory on the necklace
I always thought you would "use" a Horcrux if you die. Thank you for the explanation❤
But, when Voldy came back the first time, none of them stopped working
The question I have is, can a horcrux create a horcrux? Like if diary riddle came back could he create a horcrux?
That's a good question honestly probably, he didn't mention it in this video but has in the past, but the reason the diary is so dangerous is because that part of Voldemort is the most Voldemort out of all the Voldemort like the piece of Tom is more Voldemort than Voldemort is there he probably would consider himself to be Voldemort prime, he's also the only one who technically could do the whole remorse thing since he's the first part of soul, but probably not still since he even back then didn't ever really feel remorseful, but if he could he'd be the one that could I think, because by the time you get to Voldemort prime there is so little humanity left inside of him that it's just not possible, I'm still a little bit confused about Tom Riddle piece of soul in the diary, but I think he is different from the other ones in that he could actually return and have a proper body because of how the hokcrocks was made
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@@AshleysAdviceSuch a good answer! I always thought the same thing. On the other hand, I don't think Diary-Voldemort would attemt other Horcruxes, since he would perhaps discover that his soul is in 7 pieces already (Prime, Diary, Ring, Cup, Diadem, Locket, and Harry). By killing Harry in the Chamber, I think, one Horcrux would recognize the other. Therefore no other Horcrux would be of need.
The Diary-Horcrux is so special because it is a safe haven for that piece of soul and a sincere weapon on the other. Actually, Dumbledore mentions to Harry that this very feature tipped him of. Voldemort must have created more than one horcrux if he was willing to make a weapon out of one. Since the second book he tried to figure out how many were out there. Hence the importance of Slughorns memory.
@@j.e.5834 Yeah agreed, I highly doubt he would've it just wouldn't make sense, but the diary is definitely powerfully on par with Voldemort prime, like I think it's pretty obvious he has more Voldemort in him than Voldemort does at this point, which just interesting in terms of how the story could've played outif he had rose power which like I said they did already discuss and a different video
@@AshleysAdvice I said "pretty obvious" in my Lockhart voice lol
I like the thought that the necklace was a practice version of the enchantment on the ring. He created/ enchanted them both.
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Please do a video about the theory of the opal necklace being a Horcrux, it's a really interesting thought
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12:53 I know you meant it as a side note, but thank you for clarifying this! This has always been a point of contention for me. You spelled it out nicely. I wonder if he should have pursued 7 horcruxes all along...but fate has ways to try prevent that from ever happening?
I love your guys' take on this and you definitely put it to words better but I've heard this years ago from a channel called film theory
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The discussion starting around 13:45 seems questionable to me. You say that a mundane form of destruction, like breaking something in half, wouldn't destroy the horcrux because the object could be repaired. But if that's the case, wouldn't the broken pieces essentially act as separate horcruxes? Could you, for example, make a piece of paper into a horcrux, put it through a shredder, and then hide the individual shreds in many locations?
No, the soul needs the container mostly intact in order to keep existing. Just like a decapicated body cannot keep a soul from passing on.
I wish they had the actor that played Tom in chamber of secrets during the memories he had all the looks that was described in the books
Ive always wondered. Why do the super carlin bros say towel section?
You know, they mentioned one time why they say that, and I honestly _cannot_ for the life of me remember what the explanation was. I hope somebody else here knows, lol. The answer might be in one of their oldest videos, so if no one else answers, and you feel like watching their earlier stuff out of curiosity, maybe you might stumble across it?
Imagine the video frame is longer and you can see their whole body. The comments section is right where a towel would go if they wrapped it around their lower half.
Thank you thank you thank you!@@imaginepageant 😄I didn't know if we'd get an answer!
I wonder what would happen, when you throw a horcrux through the Veil?
Technically the horcrux is not destroyed, but on the other hand, that piece of soul entered the afterlife. So could you hide a working horcrux behind the veil where nobody can destroy it, or does the container get destroyed 'automatically'?
I guess to answer that question, we'd have to know what exactly happens to a person's body when a normal person goes through it. If it destroys their body, then I'd say it likely would destroy a horcrux (though potentially it still wouldn't be powerful enough to), but if somehow the body itself is just...brought with you into the afterlife...? Idk, it's honestly really weird to imagine that, but it would be our best indicator if we could at least have that information. Though again, it might still work differently on a horcrux container than a body. Like, what would happen to a normal locket or cup if it was thrown through the veil? I'm sure someone's done that, though they likely never found out what happened to it on the other side. I think if Dumbledore had a talk with Sirius, he could come up with a pretty good theory, lol, but we can't exactly ask either of them, now can we?😂
Gosh, now I'm just thinking about Dumbledore finally getting so many of his questions answered.
Great question! I guess since Sirius dies with no body when falling through the veil, I would assume the container is destroyed...
Since it is on the other side, it can no longer act as an anchor to life, regardless of whether the container is destroyed.
You guys are the best 🎉🎉😊😊
Horocruxes was the most confusing part of HP for me when I read the books as a little kid. Thank you SCB for explaining this to my tiny brain
It's nothing compared to Time Turners. I can safely say Harry Potter has the most confusing version of time travel I have ever seen. Just the idea that your future selves are already present before you go back in time makes my head hurt.
That is very true. When I hade started to read the books (around 13) and got to the time turner parts I though “oh about her story with time travel how exciting” I didn’t think about it to hard
@@coolnerdlll6053 except that the concept of a fixed time loop (this being that the actions you take while in the past have already happened, but you must still go back to do them) is actually one of the most common versions of time travel portrayed in media in general.
@DreadKyller It's not usually depicted in such a confusing way. In Back to the Future, Marty doesn't see the other DeLorean crash into the movie theater while he's headed to the mall.
I actually believed that the Diary's Tom Riddle would still be a horcrux, like Nagini.
Really fascinating idea to explore. While I see them both as equal parts of his soul, and therefore equally _him,_ one was removed from the body and made to anchor the other. It was put in chains, so to speak. I suppose it would depend on whether the diary itself would have been destroyed when Tom came back to life. If it was still in tact, if he was still linked to it, then he would still be an anchor for the other Voldemort. If him becoming fully alive would have severed his tie to it, perhaps that would have broken the bond that made him the other's horcrux! Ooh, this is really interesting. I honestly can't say whether he would have been freed from his bondage. Would it be broken by the sacrifice of Ginny's life? The taking of a life was what it took to bind him, could another be the key to setting him free?
When Tom's memory becomes fully capable, does the soul leave the dairy? Or is Tom still bound to the pages?
Please make an entire video about that (potential) necklace theory
The diary was also the first one he made right? So perhaps it had more of a will of its own due to his inexperience in the technique. Personally I always figured it's extra "sentience" was a result of it being Tom's diary in the first place. It was something he poured his inner thoughts and feelings into not to mention plans and aspirations. He had an intimate connection to it that far surpassed any other horcrux by far even the ring.
Interesting question for y'all.
If any character could use a time turner one time(excluding the one time in PoA), who and which event would be the biggest change in the entire story line?
Does Harry save Sirius? Does he not grab the goblet? Does Harry warn the school about death eaters getting in to Hogwarts? Does Ron never leave them when they are traveling? Do they save Barty Crouch so fudge doesnt replace him? Does Harry never go to the department of mysteries at all?(i think this is the most likely)
Dumbledore removes either Merope Gaunt or Tom Riddle Sr. from the Hangletons before they ever meet.
Dumbledore never makes the blood pact with Grindelwald
A Very Good Video 👌🏻👍🏻
Yall should make a video on the order of operations for making a horcrux. Or at least what you think it is. I’ve always wondered if you need to myrder and than place that fragment immediately or did Voldemort have time between the two. Also like how big are the fragments? Is his first horcrux half a soul and his fourth horcrux 1/16 of a soul?
Every supercarlinbrother video is awesome and should be rewatched those are just facts I wanted to point out
Is it ever stated that the soul is split by a specific percentage per horcrux? I only remember the phrasing being "a piece".
Dumbledore said to Snape that when the Killing Curse rebounded on Lord Voldemort, a tiny fragment was blasted from the whole...which means that Harry's horcrux was a small piece of an already maimed and diminished soul.
@SuperCarlinBrothers - what would happen if you threw a horcrux through the veil? Would it destroy the horcrux or would it just fall on the other side intact?
Here's an interesting theory question. If you knew the spell/incantation to infuse an object with a severed piece of a soul to make a horcrux, could you bind Voldemort's bodiless soul piece to an object and then problem solved for the most part? As far as we know apart from the diary he wouldn't be able to pull the piece of soul out of the object. As far as we know horcrux containers are non-transferrable.
Oh. My. God.
I emailed scb the whole horcrux math thing last year!!! I can't believe they used it in a video. How awesome is that!?
Movieflame did a great video on this topic. And I’d love to see SCB react to one of his videos, since he watched Dumbledores big plan!
Yes auror, this video, right here
Could individual horcruxes of the same soul source be combined into one container? Would the horcruxes themselves have to feel remorse in this situation in order to join together? Or is it more of a 1:1 link between soul prime and each horcrux and there can be no interaction between disparate soul fragments?
0:52 That's actually the plot of a Hilarious Fanfiction called "Seventh Horcrux" by EmeraldAshes. I highly recommend it.
Honestly your voices are really good. You should narrate a Potter book
Hi J!
Who makes the thumbnail design?
Funnily enough after last week’s video I went down a rabbit hole of old theories around the horcruxes and watched the original version of this video 😂
quick question what would happen to a Horcrux if you throw it through the veil in the DoM?
Thank you so much for this video because it cleared up a misconception I've had since the books were new.
You even specifically mention in this video how I thought it worked. I always thought that each horcrux was like a "life." Like if someone were to successfully Avada Kedavra Voldemort prime then he would die but consume one of the Horcrux's, using up a "life" and then return to life anew. I always thought Dumbledore could duel Voldemort eight times and if he killed him eight times then that would use up all of Voldemort's horcrux's.
Now I understand that each individual horcrux prevents Voldemort from dying which is why it was so important to hunt them all down before the final confrontation. Dumbledore could kill Voldemort over and over and he would always come back as long as there was one horcrux. Blowing my mind. Thanks SuperCarlinBrothers!
Were there any protection spells on the locket? Like shouldn’t something have happened to Umbridge when she wore it?
It's implied that part of the ritual required to create a horcrux involves cannibalism of the person killed (though it's probably isn't conducive to an ad friendly video).
What if theories to ponder: what if Quirrell had succeeded at getting the stone from Gringotts at the beginning of book 1? What if Harry had succeeded at keeping his temper during Aunt Marge's visit in book 3? & finally, what if Snape had stopped caring about Lily when she picked James over him in school?
I'm surprised there has not been a video on how owl mail delivery works. How do they know where to go without an address (aka to Sirius) and why doesn't the ministery just send an owl to him and follow it to catch him. Also do they fly faster than an average owl? So many questions.
8:18 at least until his father runs out of bones
I don't think the diary could have come back at, it only thought that it could. That particular horcrux was created when Tom Riddle had just learned about them, so it would be reasonable that being able to become a new Voldemort was just an assumption or him misunderstanding how it worked.
More questions:
-What exactly is a untethered soul? (a whole one)
-And in contrast what would Voldemorts 1/7 part soul look/feel like. I had to be somewhat tangible to interact and posess others (animals, quirrel) right?
-If the lose soul fragment came in contact with a Horcrux, what if anything would happen?
-And the opposite, if it came near or close to a pure light magic object, would it be dispelled?
(I am imaginen Voldemorts lose soul floating around just dodging people in love out of fear)
-How does a posession work? Is it charmed, a spell, or like A song of ice and fire, a fierce battle in the mind.?
-Could it be used like a tool? A super spy master, makes a horcrux, kills himself eiher permanently or for a while, floats around and spies on people, then returns to life when it has absorbed the info it needed. I can imagine dark lords blackmailing people into doing this if it worked like that.
-Can Voldemorts soul ever move on, like you said, it would be extremely painful to feel the remorse, hence the fetal position in Kings Cross, but what happens, when he has felt it all at some point, like a thousand years later. Will the soul be redeemed?
The thing that always confused me is if the process of making a horcrux is supposedly so disturbing and gross that it actually made Rowling’s editor sick, then how was it possible that Harry could even become an accidental horcrux? Was the ritual done before the actual murder?
By that point, Voldemort had mangled, twisted, and ripped his soul so much that it had become fragile, causing a piece to just randomly break off and attach to the nearest living thing it could find, that thing being Harry.
@@AustynSN I guess that makes sense. But I also find it kind of strange that up until that point, every horcrux he made was an inanimate object, yet this piece of his soul automatically attached to the nearest living thing it could find. I guess I just feel like for it essentially being the cornerstone of the entire series, there seem to be questions about the how and why that weren’t given a thorough explanation.
Hi :) I was wondering something.
At the moment I'm reading Deathly Hallows to my son (10) and we vere discussing why the order went with the 7 Potters plan.
I know the minestry had preventet anyone from connecting Privet Drive to the floo network, from setting up a portkey or apperating.
But wouldn't it have been more efficient if they had just used polyjuice potion to disguise a few senior ordermembers as random muggles. Hidden Harry under the invisibility cloak and walked with him to some kind of public transportation that would take them to London - or to somewhere that the COULD have set up a portkey?
I know... plot reasons... but in-world... why didn't they use the cloak and get him away from there discreetly?
So first question: how did avada kedavra kill voldemort (in the baby incident i mean). isnt quite different to kill him with a sword? i always thought avada kedavra does nothing to the body. so... i always image like just severing the link between body and soul. if the soul isnt there to begin.. its in an horocrux for example... does it kill you really? Just a train of thought that i would love you to continue ...
and not related question: Did Edward Elric make an horocrux for his brother Alfonse anchoring his soul to the armor? i think he technally check all the marks. (they somehow kill the homonculus they made of the attempt of reviving there mother). what do you think?
I’m still so interested about the process of making horcruxes, ie, does it involve cannibalism?
In the video you say voldemort prime would fight and try to kill the diary. So if he succeeded in killing the diary would the diary be able to come back to life with the other horcruxes. Also would the diary hocrux be destroyed when he came back because that part of the soul was used to revive tom riddle? so would there be an infinite war between the 2 voldemorts?
Alright I do have a question about this, but I think I already know the answer.
What if the trio had tried to throw a horcrux through the vail? Would it have been able to separate the soul from the container? Or would it just pass through to the other side unaffected? I'm leaning towards the later but you never know... thanks guy!!
I have a question..., one that I might have asked previously on Patreon.
Is it possible that Moldevort's soul is still around, because Hermione duplicated the locked during the trio's infiltration on the ministry?
The reason for this question because of the attack on Gringotts.
The treasure in the Bellatrix's vault keeps continually replicating, so could the horcrux enchantment on the duplicated locket also have been copied over?
4:31 he had that dawg in him!
So then what’s the body that gets used in the ritual to bring voldy back in the first place
Hey Brother! Since the Ballad movie released, I’ve been commenting for a theory idea on almost every video. I want you to use theories and geography and science and stuff, and use the official Hunger Games map, to determine once and for all, when the Hunger Games take place. (And something tells me it’s a lot further than 2313) It’s a lot, but the entire fandom is counting on you. And may the odds be *ever* in your favor!
I have zero interest in the hunger games but I’m going to copy this comment and repost it so that maybe it’ll help them see it. There are theories I’d love to hear them do so I know how you feel. I hope that’s okay with you?
I feel like this is more of a film theory idea
@@jacobforbes8491 Too hard to reach. Also MatPat’s a hypocrite
I have not finished to watch the video yet, but talking about the veil, considering theories that it's a gate to death, do you think it would be a way to release ghosts from the living world?
I believe it's possible that that is the veils true purpose. The whole reason for it to exist is to be that doorway to the afterlife.
Have you done an episode about why each item was chosen by voldemort to be a horcux?
I think they've essentially covered it, though I can't recall the exact video. If you go onto their channel home page, there should be a little SEARCH option there and you could look up Voldemort's name and see what comes up.
A Horcrux is a Phylactery. Voldemort is a Lich.
💯 Jk Rolling got inspiration for the Horcruxes from the One Ring
Thank you so much for this sorting!!! Now I get how thy work :) I've even wrote to you about it.
I've never got the point of many Horcuxes. However, I've never understood the number 7. Is it 7 Horcruxes or a 7 parts of soul? -.-' It doesn't get clear in the books, i feel. Neither in my translation of the books, nor in the british original I've read.
Futhermore, I think it's realy so that your soul is split by murder. Not necesaryly split in half though. I think Dumbledore once stated that splitting his soul in so many parts is in fact what makes Voldemort so little human.
So I believe the answer is 7 horcruxes plus the bit of him that was a wandering spirit, so 8 pieces of soul in total? The point of multiple horcruxes is just so that even if someone finds one or three or five of them, they still won't have found them all, and so you're still safe. The more you have, the better your chances that one will still be around when you need to be brought back. It'll take a person longer to find them all and destroy them, especially if they have no idea how many there are, or _what_ they are. Knowing _one_ doesn't tell you much about the others. You might recognize a them, but lots of items out there might fit that theme even if you do figure it out, and there's still the matter of _finding_ each of them. You might suspect it's Ravenclaw's lost diadem, but if you can't find it, it doesn't matter that you found all the others. He'll still come back, and keep coming back, because one evaded detection. Each one you have improves your chances.
Listening to this, I think your next What If should be, what if the diary Horcrux did successfully come back. See how that would have changed things in year 3 and on and if it would have altered Voldemort’s resurrection plans. Be cool to imagine two Voldemorts around that want to accomplish their goal but get rid of the other. And would it result in warring factions of death eaters each following the different Voldemorts?