Which shows how bad the game is. In FM19, game time was the number 1 factor. Which was great. Now you make your youngster a starter in a performing team, he doesn't improve. That shows the game is just bad.
With mentoring u have to be very strategic with it and only use it on some players because the person in the group with the highest influence rubs off the rest. So no point having the biggest team leader and team captain with a determination of 10 coz guess what a month down the track all your wonderkids determination will drop towards 10.
Wish I could do this in my Hertha Berlin save I’ve focused on youth development but players can’t play in the Bundesliga until they turn 17, I have some gems I literally can’t play 🤷🏼♂️
For most youth players under 18 training is best. However once they turn 18, loans are appropriate to give them the much needed game time. For most young players loaning them out before 18 can actually have an adverse effect on their development, especially if the team doesn't play in a tactic that your first team uses
Determination, Work Rate and Natural Fitness have nothing to do with how a player trains. It's all about Ambition and Professionalism - the hidden attributes. Those two, along with Determination, can be improved by Mentoring.
Determination is always the main attribute for how well a player develops. However, yes, personality of a player is a big factor too that can contribute and be changed through mentoring
@@seven92023 but determination affect players in the field. If the players have a good professionalism and ambition but low determination, the perfomance/ability is kinda like an enigma. Sometimes the ability gains rapidly, sometimes is not.
So my way is get the best coaches possible first that is the most important, then individual training i put them on a role that develops the most all round attributes so GK - sweeper/ CD - Librero/ WB - full back att/ CDM - segu vol/ CM or CAM - box to box/ wingers - def wing support/ strikers - comp forward, then as they get to around 19yo i start to put them on specific roles within my tactic, overall youth training is identical to my 1st just not as intense as they are youth and my U23 & U18 team use exact same tactics as 1st team plus now i pick the team for each U23 & U18 match as i found the mangers for those teams wasn't always playing certain players in the positions or rolesi wanted them to so i started picking the team, I'm 3 seasons into a Man U save and under 18s have won the league all 3 times and a few cups and a handful are now in my 1st team.
I don't know if this helps a whole lot, but what I do with players that are starting to challenge for a 1st team spot, i promote them to the senior squad to train more often with the more experienced players and make them available for the b team or u19, specially if the b team plays in the second division, as is the case of my current save. They play a lot of games at a decent level, train with the first team and have them available to play some games for the first team in the cups or league games 2/3 days after European games.
So, If I moved my young player to my senior squad and I'm playing him often, which coaches will train him? My senior coaches or youth coaches until he reach 23? Same for facilities. If he is moved to senior squad will he be using senior training facilities or youth facilities until he reach 23?
Thanks for the good tips! Glad to see that determination and work rate is yours go to attributes for youngsters as is mine. Only problem I see is tip number 5 give them game time, which if you send them on loan will cancel first, third and fourth tip. I don't know which is better for them, to send them on a loan which mostly has worst training then yours or to stay and have better development but play only in u18 or u23. I don't know if playing for under teams counts as quality gametime.
Very good point it does eliminate some of the other tips but maybe what I failed to establish in the video is to know when to do each tip really. My bad! Personally I like to loan my players out from 18-20 (unless they break into my squad already) and before they reach 18, implement tips 1-4. Little bit of everything will really make a big difference to your players
Very good point it does eliminate some of the other tips but maybe what I failed to establish in the video is to know when to do each tip really. My bad! Personally I like to loan my players out from 18-20 (unless they break into my squad already) and before they reach 18, implement tips 1-4. Little bit of everything will really make a big difference to your players
Personally I prefer to play my highly rated youngsters. I never send them on loan. Cup games and 25 to 30 mins is OK at the age of 17 to about 20. I can monitor them better and develop useful ppm's. If I get them early, like 15 or 16 they're usually wonderkids at 17 and prem ready at 18. Like you rightly said, most of the points are negated by sending them on loan.
In FM 19 I bought Fabio Silva in the 2-3 season of my save at Ispwich. He was only 18. He regularly played in the prem and in the 4 seasons (I wasn’t able to continue the save) he played he got about 20-35 goals per season, all competitions. The point is he barely grew in stats, he stayed the same. He had no major injuries or any injury to be fair. And he didn’t grew. FM Scout do you know why this could be?
On the very rare occasion a player like Fabio silva who has fantastic potential, playing at a high level just might not ever reach his potential or grow. Have a look at his personality, that might have changed from playing a long side a player with a bad personality which would stop this growth too
That´s the thing with PA. Fabio Silva could have anywhere between 150 and 180 Potential with his PA of -9. If you got unlucky and he had a 150 and his current ability was allready at like 130-135 you wouldn´t see much improvement.
So if you'd bought a few regens who has high potential but not good enough for first team action yet what would you do? would you keep at the club train / available for under 20's also gaining that homegrown status along the way, or Loan out to affiliated clubs for numerous years at serie C/B levels
One thing i notice was, if i Promote them to the 1st squad i dont know if it is rly positive on LLM becouse they will train less becouse the first team are almost all with a part time contracts so they just train 1 or 2 times a week. When in s19 they have more trains per week becouse youngsters have formation contracts. Ofc you need to have a good star coutchs and good facilities
is there anything special I can do to develop young player in MLS? Since the lower leagues aren't playable you can't really hire staff or schedule games for your youth squads like you normally can. I'm trying to grow some american-born superstars but most of my academy players never improve beyond 2-3 stars
How can i make my experienced star players tutor academy players? Is that not possible? Do the talents have to be in the first team for the first team players to tutor them? I prefer the old tutoring system tbh 😂
Im late, but I watched zeaiands video on mentoring yesterday and apparently the personalitys of players with higher influence in the group can become the personality of the mentored players as it was in tutoring give player traits and mental stats. He uses it to have one player with high influence on 2-3 with light influence, tries to have similar positions (midfield - midfield, striker - striker etc.) but you can deviate from that. Also he risks losing points in determination for gaining another player with a preferable personality like model citizen or driven
Hey man, first of thank you really much for the video but I got a few questions left as I'm a newbie to this game. As I mentioned I'm not used to the game so I started with my favourite club, FC Bayern Munich (hope its the right english phrase for it). I got a few good youth players like Zirkzee or Oliver Batista-Meier and I'm not sure about one thing, I'd really like them to be in my main squad because I feel like it would be better for them (but I havent checked how good my staff is with working with younger players maybe I recheck that) but they should be avaiable to play for my second team which is actually in germanys third league. Will my players get unhappy if I do not really play them on my main team but they're up for the main team training ? Or is that okay for them ? Or is there another way of letting them train in the main team if it's really better for them ? I also still have to check whether or not I can send them away on loan, I disabled transfers for the first transfer period so yeha ^^ It takes a bit still. Second, can I adjust how my players are valued in the second team ? I send Zirkzee and others back to the second them because I dont know if they get unhappy, and I always get the mail from the Second teams coach about who is playing and I see that all my players who used to be on the main team are now sitting on the bench, I'm not sure if thats okay or not but I dont think so, but I also dont want to train all 2 or even 3 teams at once because it's too heavy for me this early into the game. Greetings :)
My scouts are claiming my regen is going to be as good as Messi, or better. He got 20 determination, professional and really good key attributes at 16 years old. Think he will become that good?
@@fmscout Umm, I’m a newbie to FM21. But I’m playing both the Touch and Normal versions. But in the touch version how do you upgrade facilities? And what are they?
Youngsters don't improve in that game. At least, not well. In 19 players would improve. You'd play them, or at worst loan them, and if they played, they would improve. That actually was enjoyable to develop youngsters. Not in FM20.
Judging from my own experience youngsters develop pretty well. I´ve seen Greenwood, Haland, Tonali and all the usual Suspects become pretty beastly. Maybe you got unlucky with your PA rolls and your youngster had shit potential?
The old way of mentoring that used to work a dream, now with the mentoring groups, probably not so much... It’s annoying but When looking for first team players now I always look for players with high determination just for that roll during long saves
This first team gametime is just plain rubbish. Young players need to start games. It does NOT matter if they do it on u23 or u18. As long as they are starting games for ANY squad they will gain experience. For young prospects its better to start 30 games on a u23 or u18 squad than to start only 10,15 on first team.
It’s a fact that players develop better when playing against better players. Would you send your player to the Gibraltar second division to play first team football? Even when you are in lower leagues, teams higher up reject your request to loan their players because they want to play with better quality players. Hence why first team football is important
@@fmscout No, its not a fact, buddy. Thats not how the game works. Its totally irrelevant the quality of your opposition. The game only calculates xp per starting match.
It's not a good idea to loan out players, because they get worse training no matter what club you loan them to. This has been the case for years now. You can only loan most players out to *worse* teams than your own, so you will have better facilities and you have access to controlling how they train. Playing as star player in the youth or reverse teams counts as high quality leagues, compared to what clubs you can loan the same player to. The exception is when you can loan out Cortino to FC Bayern or other silliness of that kind. Playing for a team at the SAME level of the first team squad is the only loans that is worthwhile.
This is not always the case, I have forever loaned out players to leagues below and the players have always developed just from good game time, my Frankfurt save was a prime example of this! (Omega Luke) Jose Duran was a regen who wasn’t amazing, sent out on loan to a Bundesliga 2 side, came back with outrageous growth and the next season was straight in my starting 11
So, training, coaches, mentoring and your training facilities are bullshit in our eyes. You just loan your youngsters and that's all. Short story, they didn't improve at all this game through years. LOL
The main driver of a youth prospect fulfilling their potential always used to be Professionalism (plus Ambition & Determination). I'd normally only sign senior players with high professionalism personality types (i.e. Professional, Resolute, Model Prof etc) & high determination rating, and get them tutoring/mentoring the youth prospects to maximise the chances they'd develop into a first team player. Is Professionalism now less relevant? is it now more important to look solely at Determination, Work Rate & Natural Fitness as you suggest? Bearing in mind I'm a veteran of FM15 so maybe things have moved on since then? A "Determined" personality type may score highly for Determination but middling scores for professionalism & ambition would surely reduce their chances of reaching their PA?
Professionalism, determination and injury proneness is mainly what I'm looking though. Not too sure if work rate is important here since it only affects in game performance
I have still developed balanced and even unambitous players into top European players. You will find that their personality type changes if they are in a professional team
Finally, a video to explain how to develop youth prospects aside from the classic "give 'em gametime".
Um, but that's the best way to do it. You can't expect a kid to be able to drive a truck if all you ever did was have him ride a bicycle.
@@Remianen No you just can't expect a kid to drive a truck at all you psycopath
@@SLMN-hn3ro lmaooo
Which shows how bad the game is. In FM19, game time was the number 1 factor. Which was great. Now you make your youngster a starter in a performing team, he doesn't improve. That shows the game is just bad.
With mentoring u have to be very strategic with it and only use it on some players because the person in the group with the highest influence rubs off the rest. So no point having the biggest team leader and team captain with a determination of 10 coz guess what a month down the track all your wonderkids determination will drop towards 10.
Before watching this video I have a 16yo defender been playing him since 15 in the prem absolute beast 18 leadership! At 15 beast
Wish I could do this in my Hertha Berlin save I’ve focused on youth development but players can’t play in the Bundesliga until they turn 17, I have some gems I literally can’t play 🤷🏼♂️
For most youth players under 18 training is best. However once they turn 18, loans are appropriate to give them the much needed game time. For most young players loaning them out before 18 can actually have an adverse effect on their development, especially if the team doesn't play in a tactic that your first team uses
Determination, Work Rate and Natural Fitness have nothing to do with how a player trains. It's all about Ambition and Professionalism - the hidden attributes. Those two, along with Determination, can be improved by Mentoring.
Determination is always the main attribute for how well a player develops. However, yes, personality of a player is a big factor too that can contribute and be changed through mentoring
@@fmscout Professionalism and Ambition affect the training more than Determination.
@@fmscout According to bustthnet determination has nothing to do with development, it only plays a role during a match.
@@seven92023 but determination affect players in the field. If the players have a good professionalism and ambition but low determination, the perfomance/ability is kinda like an enigma. Sometimes the ability gains rapidly, sometimes is not.
@@fmscout not true at all minimal effect
So my way is get the best coaches possible first that is the most important, then individual training i put them on a role that develops the most all round attributes so GK - sweeper/ CD - Librero/ WB - full back att/ CDM - segu vol/ CM or CAM - box to box/ wingers - def wing support/ strikers - comp forward, then as they get to around 19yo i start to put them on specific roles within my tactic, overall youth training is identical to my 1st just not as intense as they are youth and my U23 & U18 team use exact same tactics as 1st team plus now i pick the team for each U23 & U18 match as i found the mangers for those teams wasn't always playing certain players in the positions or rolesi wanted them to so i started picking the team, I'm 3 seasons into a Man U save and under 18s have won the league all 3 times and a few cups and a handful are now in my 1st team.
I don't know if this helps a whole lot, but what I do with players that are starting to challenge for a 1st team spot, i promote them to the senior squad to train more often with the more experienced players and make them available for the b team or u19, specially if the b team plays in the second division, as is the case of my current save. They play a lot of games at a decent level, train with the first team and have them available to play some games for the first team in the cups or league games 2/3 days after European games.
So, If I moved my young player to my senior squad and I'm playing him often, which coaches will train him? My senior coaches or youth coaches until he reach 23? Same for facilities. If he is moved to senior squad will he be using senior training facilities or youth facilities until he reach 23?
I would guess since he doesn’t appear in the development center he trains with the senior team and coaches
Should you touch on the additional focus
still think SI should add the ability to upgrade the training facilities of your affiliate teams
So, if you have a really good youth coaching team and good mentors, is it better to not loan youth players out?
What I do is put them in for a year with a good mentor and then send them out on loan the next season
Hey, how did you make the UI look the way it does?
They're called skins; they change the colours, layout and UI of the game. I'm sure googling "FM20 Skins" will get you what you want :)
it's called OPZ search for it. i use the same skin. it's a bit temperamental but i like it👍
This is great video. Get my laptop back 2mrw so guess what I'm doing
The only upside to the lockdown lol!!!
what's the best training schedules? a bit confused. I'm currently just using all the standard attacking schedules.
Thanks for the good tips! Glad to see that determination and work rate is yours go to attributes for youngsters as is mine. Only problem I see is tip number 5 give them game time, which if you send them on loan will cancel first, third and fourth tip. I don't know which is better for them, to send them on a loan which mostly has worst training then yours or to stay and have better development but play only in u18 or u23. I don't know if playing for under teams counts as quality gametime.
Very good point it does eliminate some of the other tips but maybe what I failed to establish in the video is to know when to do each tip really. My bad!
Personally I like to loan my players out from 18-20 (unless they break into my squad already) and before they reach 18, implement tips 1-4. Little bit of everything will really make a big difference to your players
Very good point it does eliminate some of the other tips but maybe what I failed to establish in the video is to know when to do each tip really. My bad!
Personally I like to loan my players out from 18-20 (unless they break into my squad already) and before they reach 18, implement tips 1-4. Little bit of everything will really make a big difference to your players
Personally I prefer to play my highly rated youngsters. I never send them on loan. Cup games and 25 to 30 mins is OK at the age of 17 to about 20. I can monitor them better and develop useful ppm's. If I get them early, like 15 or 16 they're usually wonderkids at 17 and prem ready at 18. Like you rightly said, most of the points are negated by sending them on loan.
In FM 19 I bought Fabio Silva in the 2-3 season of my save at Ispwich. He was only 18. He regularly played in the prem and in the 4 seasons (I wasn’t able to continue the save) he played he got about 20-35 goals per season, all competitions.
The point is he barely grew in stats, he stayed the same. He had no major injuries or any injury to be fair. And he didn’t grew.
FM Scout do you know why this could be?
On the very rare occasion a player like Fabio silva who has fantastic potential, playing at a high level just might not ever reach his potential or grow.
Have a look at his personality, that might have changed from playing a long side a player with a bad personality which would stop this growth too
Your style of play and his role in that suited him? Very good hidden stats?
That´s the thing with PA. Fabio Silva could have anywhere between 150 and 180 Potential with his PA of -9. If you got unlucky and he had a 150 and his current ability was allready at like 130-135 you wouldn´t see much improvement.
So if you'd bought a few regens who has high potential but not good enough for first team action yet what would you do?
would you keep at the club train / available for under 20's also gaining that homegrown status along the way,
or
Loan out to affiliated clubs for numerous years at serie C/B levels
That’s what you got to weigh up. If you have good facilities and coaches etc it maybe more beneficial to keep him at the club
Just a quick questions, is there a difference if your youth or reserve team is playing in First Team tactics or not?
Great video. Thanks!
Lo Curto!!! Playing very well!
One thing i notice was, if i Promote them to the 1st squad i dont know if it is rly positive on LLM becouse they will train less becouse the first team are almost all with a part time contracts so they just train 1 or 2 times a week. When in s19 they have more trains per week becouse youngsters have formation contracts. Ofc you need to have a good star coutchs and good facilities
For promising talent better put them on u19s team or reserve team?
is there anything special I can do to develop young player in MLS? Since the lower leagues aren't playable you can't really hire staff or schedule games for your youth squads like you normally can. I'm trying to grow some american-born superstars but most of my academy players never improve beyond 2-3 stars
american cant play football
I cant click and expand the coaching staff option , can you help
I have the same problem
How do you get the black background? I want to try it.
Could be the dark skin pre loaded on the game. Could also be a custom one downloaded from elsewhere.
Not related but i love the skin you’re using!!
TCS, can be found on www.fmscout.com my friend
What font do you use with the skin?
Great video thanks
How can i make my experienced star players tutor academy players? Is that not possible? Do the talents have to be in the first team for the first team players to tutor them? I prefer the old tutoring system tbh 😂
I dont have the progress bar it only say N/A
Nice video
Good job
Is there any correlation between player personality with the group of mentoring?
Im late, but I watched zeaiands video on mentoring yesterday and apparently the personalitys of players with higher influence in the group can become the personality of the mentored players as it was in tutoring give player traits and mental stats. He uses it to have one player with high influence on 2-3 with light influence, tries to have similar positions (midfield - midfield, striker - striker etc.) but you can deviate from that. Also he risks losing points in determination for gaining another player with a preferable personality like model citizen or driven
@@morgotz if only zeaiands talk straight forward without making unnessary jokes, only then i can watch him. thanks mate
What skin you suing there mate? Nice that
Hey man, first of thank you really much for the video but I got a few questions left as I'm a newbie to this game.
As I mentioned I'm not used to the game so I started with my favourite club, FC Bayern Munich (hope its the right english phrase for it). I got a few good youth players like Zirkzee or Oliver Batista-Meier and I'm not sure about one thing, I'd really like them to be in my main squad because I feel like it would be better for them (but I havent checked how good my staff is with working with younger players maybe I recheck that) but they should be avaiable to play for my second team which is actually in germanys third league. Will my players get unhappy if I do not really play them on my main team but they're up for the main team training ? Or is that okay for them ? Or is there another way of letting them train in the main team if it's really better for them ? I also still have to check whether or not I can send them away on loan, I disabled transfers for the first transfer period so yeha ^^ It takes a bit still.
Second, can I adjust how my players are valued in the second team ? I send Zirkzee and others back to the second them because I dont know if they get unhappy, and I always get the mail from the Second teams coach about who is playing and I see that all my players who used to be on the main team are now sitting on the bench, I'm not sure if thats okay or not but I dont think so, but I also dont want to train all 2 or even 3 teams at once because it's too heavy for me this early into the game.
Greetings :)
You never got a reply so I'll jump in, play them zirkzee and meier are that good
My scouts are claiming my regen is going to be as good as Messi, or better. He got 20 determination, professional and really good key attributes at 16 years old. Think he will become that good?
As long as you play him, have good training facilities and coaching he should stand a good chance yes
@@fmscout Umm, I’m a newbie to FM21. But I’m playing both the Touch and Normal versions. But in the touch version how do you upgrade facilities? And what are they?
Youngsters don't improve in that game. At least, not well. In 19 players would improve. You'd play them, or at worst loan them, and if they played, they would improve. That actually was enjoyable to develop youngsters. Not in FM20.
Judging from my own experience youngsters develop pretty well. I´ve seen Greenwood, Haland, Tonali and all the usual Suspects become pretty beastly. Maybe you got unlucky with your PA rolls and your youngster had shit potential?
what is that skin you are using
Any tips for fm touch?
I go one step further on the last tip... they end up my first choice
Hey, would it be smart if I got horrible players with high determination and work rate for mentoring even if their other stats are bad?
yeah, that's what I did with the old tutoring system
The old way of mentoring that used to work a dream, now with the mentoring groups, probably not so much... It’s annoying but When looking for first team players now I always look for players with high determination just for that roll during long saves
If possible get players with very good hidden stats like consistency, big matches etc to mentor
Fong Yang
Ok thanks that makes so much sense but I never thought of it lol
@@tobyv6087 cheers hope it helps
Can you make senior squad members tutor u18 like on old ones?
Move them to your senior squad and make them available for under 18 squad games then you can mentor them
How important is the potential ability stat
Easily the most important thats why its called potential ability, once decided they cant exceed it
Anyone who knows how to promote youth players? Can’t seem to find the option
right click them - squad - promote to senior team
All I know is that nothing beats game time
This first team gametime is just plain rubbish. Young players need to start games. It does NOT matter if they do it on u23 or u18. As long as they are starting games for ANY squad they will gain experience. For young prospects its better to start 30 games on a u23 or u18 squad than to start only 10,15 on first team.
It’s a fact that players develop better when playing against better players. Would you send your player to the Gibraltar second division to play first team football? Even when you are in lower leagues, teams higher up reject your request to loan their players because they want to play with better quality players. Hence why first team football is important
@@fmscout No, its not a fact, buddy. Thats not how the game works. Its totally irrelevant the quality of your opposition. The game only calculates xp per starting match.
what skin are you using in this vid?
TCS my friend, can be found on www.fmscout.com
FM Scout cheers mate
@@fmscout Will the skin change the kits, facepacks and badges I already have loaded?
AH-tribute
It's not a good idea to loan out players, because they get worse training no matter what club you loan them to. This has been the case for years now.
You can only loan most players out to *worse* teams than your own, so you will have better facilities and you have access to controlling how they train. Playing as star player in the youth or reverse teams counts as high quality leagues, compared to what clubs you can loan the same player to.
The exception is when you can loan out Cortino to FC Bayern or other silliness of that kind. Playing for a team at the SAME level of the first team squad is the only loans that is worthwhile.
This is not always the case, I have forever loaned out players to leagues below and the players have always developed just from good game time, my Frankfurt save was a prime example of this! (Omega Luke) Jose Duran was a regen who wasn’t amazing, sent out on loan to a Bundesliga 2 side, came back with outrageous growth and the next season was straight in my starting 11
can you provide a downloadable list
@@OmegaLukeGaming of best youth coaching setup
At-tri-butes!
Tha-nk you 😅
What skin do u use
tcs 2020
Fore
So, training, coaches, mentoring and your training facilities are bullshit in our eyes. You just loan your youngsters and that's all.
Short story, they didn't improve at all this game through years. LOL
Sending players out on loan is v i t a l
Yeah i aggre
The main driver of a youth prospect fulfilling their potential always used to be Professionalism (plus Ambition & Determination). I'd normally only sign senior players with high professionalism personality types (i.e. Professional, Resolute, Model Prof etc) & high determination rating, and get them tutoring/mentoring the youth prospects to maximise the chances they'd develop into a first team player.
Is Professionalism now less relevant? is it now more important to look solely at Determination, Work Rate & Natural Fitness as you suggest? Bearing in mind I'm a veteran of FM15 so maybe things have moved on since then?
A "Determined" personality type may score highly for Determination but middling scores for professionalism & ambition would surely reduce their chances of reaching their PA?
Personality definitely plays a huge deal in it and personality can also be changed through mentoring too!
Professionalism, determination and injury proneness is mainly what I'm looking though. Not too sure if work rate is important here since it only affects in game performance
I have still developed balanced and even unambitous players into top European players. You will find that their personality type changes if they are in a professional team
The way you pronounce the word "attribute" triggers me to no end 🤦🏾♂️