I bought the R7 as a second camera to my R5 and, well, It’s become my first camera for wildlife now. I love the reach and the the body layout. But I agree with Glenn, I would rather have spent a little more to see that dreadful rolling shutter improved and a slightly better lowlight performance. Still it‘s an amazing cam
I have an R7, and the rolling shutter does urk me, so I shoot mostly in First Curtain mechanical. Watching the video, I love the high rear wheel, I was considering the R6.2, but I think the R7 is for me. I need some advice, my wife has my old 90D with a Tamron 18-400 , The loves the flexibilty and weight of the lens, but has ZERO interest in swapping lenses in the field. I dont think much of the lens for wildlife,. Options are, another lens, any ideas? upgrade to a R7 or R10 with the Tamron. She was not interested in the RF100-400 because she wants the wide angle. Do guys have any reccomendations?
@@andrewkeir2282 I use the RF 100-500 all the time on the R7 for birds and wildlife. The 100-400 is a good choice with the converter to save a few dollars. I keep the 24-105 that came with my R6 on it and they both cover everything I shoot. I also put my RF16mm f2.8 on the R6 for astrophotography. Thats just me.
@@angelogarciajr5356 I don‘t think you can fix it via firmware and even if, I think Canon would not fix it as it is a way to lead customers to higher end models.
Wow ! This video was pertinent on SO many levels for me 🙂 I owned the R5 for a year, but after buying the R7, I loved it so much, I sold my R5 and bought a second R7 for my backup. So yes, for me, reach was everything ! Oh, and my favorite lens for my R7's, is my RF 800 F11 👍 1280mm all day long ! Jan, I'm SO anxious to see you do a full vid on this combo. I know how well it has worked for me, so I'm sure your results are going to be even better 🙂 The Allen's Hummer is awesome, AND it was my buddy who shot it 👍 And that final shot of the Blue Grosbeak, Fantastic ! What are the odds, I just got some really great shots of a BG myself only a few days ago. Still trying to decide on some shots to send you guys.... But your viewers shoot some crazy good stuff ! Stiff competition for sure 🙂 Thanks for the awesome video guys.
I used to have the R5, and sold it after I got my R7. May sound crazy to some, but I haven't found a ton of downsides for the "reach". It doesn't do as well with low light, but I accept it. I also gave up my much more expensive 500mm mkii for the 100-500mm. The stabilizer is so good, I just don't feel like I need to carry around so much gear. Personal tastes. F4 is great and everything, but how often do we actually shoot wildlife at F4? Very rarely for me.
My thumb likes where that round wheel is on the R7 and I love the resolution. It's not a perfect camera by a long shot. But it's excellent for the price and actually seems to spend more time in my hands lately than my R5.
Good show, Jan and Glenn. I have the R5 and the R7 and I love the R7. I’ve had 3 friends switch to the R7 since I’ve had it. We are all birders and wildlife photographers and the reach that I get with the RF 100-500 and the RF 800 on the R7 can be really good and very portable. Today I was out after osprey, as usual it dove at a distance, but extra reach with the crop on the R7 really helped pull it in.
As of January 2023, I've been using the Canon R7 with my Sigma 150-600mm Contemporary. At times, the lens will not focus properly, but this does not happen often. When it does, I simply turn the camera off and then back on, and everything works well afterwards. A few days ago, I read where someone had updated the lens firmware and that brought on many problems, hence I won't bother doing that. I've tried Electronic 1st shutter curtain but switched back to mechanical shutter as my go to option. I must say I like the camera-lens combo very much and am amazed at the quality of the photos I've taken, including many of Cooper's hawks and the elusive brown creeper. On a side note, I was out up to 3 times per week all winter doing bird photography in Montreal. Canada, and I must say the camera battery held up real well in the cold. I was very impressed! Cheers and thanks for another amazing video guys :)
I am fortunate to have both and can say each performs so well that I think it does come down to reach (both long and short). I actually prefer the R7 ergonomics, but do wish it had the quieter shutter and battery grip option of the R6ii. The biggest issue, as you guys pointed out, is getting confused when I switch back and forth. I don’t shoot wildlife, but the R7 is outstanding in my most challenging shoots, event photography in large poorly lit churches. Love the images I’m getting with both the 70-200 f/2.8 and 400 f/2.8. Now, when I need to go wide that crop factor is a problem. Enter the R6ii . . .
I have had my R5 and got the R7 about 6 months ago. I run the RF 100-500. I do tons of other photography so the R5 is best for that but man the R7 has been amazing for wildlife. R7 + 100-500mm combo is perfect.
I have the same combo, and find that the camera is very slow to latch onto flying birds if at all. I have missed a lot of shots due to this issue. Am I doing something wrong?
@@goofinOff235not sure it depends on how far the subjects are from you. Also depends on if there is a ton of background clutter. I found these two things can cause the lens to struggle finding the subject but that’s also why I used two autofocus buttons. One for spot and one for eye AF.
Agree on the R7 sensor and body. I would rather pay a little more for something with a similar body, build to the R6II and faster censor readout. The shutter is much louder than the R5 and R6 and due to the poor sensor readout you will use it more often than on the other bodies.
I use the R7 daily and with FV mode I only need the front dial and rear wheel. I added a grip extender. I have tracking and eye af enabled on the front shutter button so I don't need an extra button for tracking or to enable the eye af. After shooting this way with the R7, the R6 felt like it had too many dials and buttons LOL. I love having the extra megapixels for cropping and I don't need 40 frames per second.
Good suggestion the R7 should have been an R9 but Canon sold the R7 on name alone really. Would love the R7 to be a true successor to the 7D line as a body with all the wheels/grip etc.
I have both the R6ii and the R7, and I sold the R5. I think you guys did not give due consideration to the R6ii AF capabilities. I gave up on the R5 because the AF just could not get the bird fast enough. I've missed so many photo opportunities it was becoming frustrating using the R5. The R6ii is a huge step up in this respect because I can get the shot which I'd previously missed with the R5. Another birding friend also gave up on the higher MP R5 for the R3 and his backup is the R6ii. In terms of the MP count, through my month long use of the R6ii, I don't feel any major lost of resolution compared to the R5. I'm able to crop up to 66% quite easily and get good sharp shots. Bird photography in the South East Asian jungles isn't like putting up a branch and getting the birds to perch nicely on them. Babblers and especially wren-babblers are not attracted to open branches, so you won't get them on the 'ideal' perch as you like to postulate. Similarly trogons and broadbills won't sit nicely on open branches. I do appreciate PS's 'remove' tool in this respect, but most of the time we have to shoot them in-situ. I think you guys should be more 'open' to alternative bird photography, not every bird will sit nicely for a portrait.
Bought the R6 when it first came out and loved it. Then two years later I bought the R5. If I want to crop then I go to the 1.6 crop using my 800 f11. This suits me fine and don't see the need for a crop sensor camera. To add to the fun I also have the 1.4 RF converter.
This video convinced me to order the R6mkii. I’ve been using my old 6Dmkii forever now so it’s going to be a nice upgrade. I miss the reach I used to have with a crop but ever since I went full frame APS-C looks mediocre. For me, image quality is king. I’ll buy longer lenses my 500mm f4 with 1.4x tc has worked for a long time now.
With the R6MKII, if you adapt it to a Canon EF-S lens, the camera will automatically crop it. The R6MKII will revert to FF for adapted EF lenses. So you have the ability to use RF, EF, & EF-S lenses on this camera. I just got one and it doesn’t disappoint. I’ll never get rid of my 90D and 5DMKIV but the R62 will become my go to.
R7 and 100-500 wich is VERY sharp are the best combination i have had. R7 has the digital zoom for film and 4K crop( fantastic video quality) and are super versatile with its near focus at 1m.
If you want to go from the 24MP of an R62, for example, do the following, convert the Raw file in Photoshop to tiff without any editing, use this tiff in Topaz All and convert to 45mp in the Noise 0 Blur 17 setting, resolution 8,192 x 5,461, you will have a file equivalent to R5 so you can cut without significant loss of resolution! 24 MP to 45 MP!
Entertaining and informative as always! I agree with Glenn on the R7 rolling shutter. It limits the benefit of the electronic shutter, but then again the mechanical is still 15 fps which is usually enough. Still my main thought is the same as I had with the 7D which is, its an excellent camera in optimal lighting, but it lacks in IQ when the light is even slightly less than optimal. It is still a great value overall though.
The nature of the beast of APS-C. I don't find rolling shutter as big a deal as folks on RUclips make it out to be. One or two warped shots here and there amongst dozens that are fine. I have been shooting a lot of flying birds and getting amazing stuff with electronic shutter (though I am using H, 15fps, not H+, 30fps). Detail is unbelievable! More shots are missed due to the quirky af (some shots soft even though the focus point is squarely on the eye) than rolling shutter.
There was a huge leap from the Canon 7D to the 7D Mk II. Many wildlife professionals jumped from the much more expensive 1D series when the 7D Mk II came out. I wonder whether the eventual R7 Mk II will be a similar leap in quality and features. Certainly, the R6 to R6 Mk II was a huge jump.
Great video! I think the choice between the R6ii and the R7 really comes down to personal preference. I shot with an R6 for 2 years after coming from Micro Four Thirds. I used several lenses with my favorite being the RF 100-500mm. I was excited when the R7 came out and pre-ordered the kit. I got mine the day after it started shipping. I used it for 6 months and while I got some great shots with it I was really never happy with it. But I didn’t want to go back to the short reach of the R6. I was very annoyed with Canon’s decision to skimp on some the specs of the R7 to meet a low price point. Since I don’t believe they will produce a crop sensor body with better specs anytime soon. So I sold all of my Canon gear and went with an OM-1 with the 300mm F4 Pro lens. I also have the PL 100-400 zoom and both TCs. I am happy with the choice after 4 months. The OM-1 feels much better to me than the R7. I have never even thought about the buffer because I have never noticed any issues with it. The AF works well in poor light. My R7 got noticeably worse as the light fades. We’ll see where things are when the R5ii comes out in the future. I do miss the RF 100-500. I do know several local birders using the R7 and loving it. It was an upgrade for them. For me it felt like and upgrade in reach but a downgrade in everything else.
R7 is def a capable little camera in the right situ,, but overall I hard a hard time loving it. button layout horrible, and not really usable after iso4000 or so, which is a lot to get used to after shooting R5/R62. love the format of this vid Jan, keep up the great work sir 👌
R7 + R6 mark2 both are great combination. I have RF 400 2.8 both tc's (1.4x and 2x) works wonderful.There are a lot of sutiations that R7's crop factor becomes a problem.Than using R6 mark2 in that situations would be a nice option. With r6 mark 2 RF 400 2.8 becomes a real 400 mm monster.. with 2x Tc as a 800 5.6 lens even r6 mark 2 can capture great captures and witheasier framing.. So ..R7 plus R6 mark 2 combination makes all things better.
Have both R7 and R6MK2 button layout not a big deal. Auto technician for over 15 years repairing various auto makes and models so adapting to changes and layout is second nature for me. I like my RF800 on my R6MK2 more than it on the R7. But I prefer the 150-600 and my 100-400 on my R7.
Hi Jan & Glenn, this was exactly my dilemma end of last summer, like a month before Jan was the first to drop the news the R6ii was coming .. I used to love the EF 100-400Lii on my 70D, and of course the R6 which replaced my 70D in 2021 was miles better in nearly all corners .. yet it really made the 100-400 feel waay too short. And EF extenders came with a compromise. So I was torn between upgrading my R6 to the R5, or to add the R7 to my R6. Your comparison confirms getting the R5 was the right choice for me 🙂 I do understand the president of Canonda, but I'd say the R7 is the true heir of the 7D, yet we'll need the R7ii to have a successor for the legendary 7Dii and hopefully by then the suggested segmenting will happen ;-) As usual, awesome #birdphotoshow images and to the point remarks !
In camera world, we all have to make comprises/trade offs so totally depends on one's need and willingness to give up on a thing or two (if you want best image quality with softer background go for full frame but need to buy heavy lenses for reach, or get apsc and have light set up but loose on depth of field)
Thanks for sharing another wonderful video like always, I really enjoy my R7 and I don't need another camera for wildlife photography but I am looking forward to get the Nikon Z8 🐦👍🤗
I was also concerned about the small buffer on the R7 but I never run into any problems with that. I shoot with CRAW as it is recommended by canon and can shoot much longer than on my 7DMkII before the buffer fills up. I lso use fast SD Cards. The only time I really noticed the full buffer was while focusstacking, after taking too much stacks back to back.
I'm still confused as to why Canon has a different button and dial layout for every body. I used to be a Nikon fan for their ergonomics and consistent layout from one model to another. Now that I've moved to Canon, I'm worried about switching back and forth between two Canon bodies and having switch gears in my brain as to the layout. I wish I had R5 money in my future but it's not going to happen. The R6 mkII could be a possibility though. Thanks for the comparison!
Canon is still looking ways to innovate their button layout. The video-stills switch is well received so Canon decided to implement on all cameras after R7. On the other hand, the wheel-joystick is somewhat controversial, so Canon decided to go back to the traditional joystick.
As a long-time Canon shooter, I have to agree that their current penchant for changing dial, button, and switch positions with each new camera release is frustrating. I understand that some changes may save manufacturing costs, but consistent and stable ergonomics have been a hallmark for Canon for decades. Constantly switching controls around makes it difficult for customers with multiple camera body models.
IF R7 was a 2500 dollars camera with a stacked sensor and 40FPS burst speed + no rolling shutter. It'd be the ideal camera but still I can't complain at 1500 dollars price point. I own the R7 and I named it The Ferrari because it's still a beast!
Completely agree that the rolling shutter is horrible on the R7. I want to use it more, but I only turn it on when I have to. The second minor quibble, which CBG solved, is there's no OEM grip/extension. I bought the extension from CBG and it makes using the R7 so much better. I also didn't like the layout change from my 7Dii, but got used to it. The R7 completely blows the 7DII out of the water aside from build quality.
I'm so thankful that I was able to get the R5 and pair it with the Rf100-500. Even looking at the new offerings from Canon and Nikon's Z8, the R5 is perfect for me.
i would have paid more for a better R7 same body as R6, but the smaller sensor (some improvements in rolling shutter and ISO performance would have been nice), and ability to take a vertical grip. Instead selling the R7 off
As hobbyist photographer and Nikon Z50 (with the kit lenses). I mainly shoot while traveling, family events and general photography. I like to start shooting wildlife and I have used my Z50 with the 50-250mm to shoot some wildlife, but the lack of AF and no ibis in the camera has made it a bit difficult. So I have thought of changing brands, but struggle with the cost of changing. So I may wait a bit longer to see if Nikon introduces a D500 mirrorless replacement with IBIS and lot better AF. Great comparison on the R6II and the R7.
I use the R5 and the R7, the R7 with 600 II has become my Bird camera. Using electronic shutter at 15fps and a custom handgrip makes it much easier to handle.
05:33 Glenn... Now I'm gonna be THAT person ("Acktchually") I'd say that the Calliope and Costa's are the smallest Hummers in North America (8 cm). Rufous share the 9 cm bracket with Ruby-throated and Black-chinned... Sorry, with my screen name I just couldn't let that pass. Me being a bit jealous over that wonderful footage and photos probably inched me over the comment-edge...
I have an R6 and an R7 and decided I did not want to wear them out shooting sports, so I went back to my 5D3 with my 100-400. What a dinosaur lol Dont get me wrong, the 5D3 set up takes great sharp photos but the mirrorless just feels miles ahead lol The mirrorless spoils me.
I do have the 5D3 which is a very good camera. I am getting up there in age, so I am looking at the R7 for its weight and price. I am intrigued with the APS-C format. I have read a lot of good things about the camera. I have a good lineup of lenses I will keep and use with the adapter. Deciding to keep the 5D3 for a backup or sell it.I love the video by the way.
@@johnflangsenkamp928 Except for the distortion of images the R7 can produce, it is a great camera. I still use my 5D3 a lot. Best to keep it. They wont offer you much for it.
13:26 Thanks for featuring my Southern Silvery Kingfisher photo in the show Jan and Glenn!!! Love the content you guys make and I’ll definitely keep the feedback in mind to become a better wildlife photographer!🫶
I am really very confused in these cameras... should i go for R7 for more MP and R6 ii .... just hobby bird photography and family/ friends portrait photography.. can you please advice me
How is the R7 inferior to the R5 for shooting birds and wildlife, pre-capture and macro when it's putting more pixels on the subject and a larger subject in the frame? I understand the autofocus is a little more jumpy but for shooting birds and wildlife and bugs and blooms out in the field how is the R7 a camera for beginners and the R5 so much better? Weather sealing doesn't matter to me because I protect my gear and don't shoot in pouring rain. I wouldn't trade my R7 for an R5.
Having been a wildlife shooter for decades, and a very happy user of the 7D series, to me the R7 was never a true successor to the 7DII as a flagship pro APS-C camera and like you, feel it should have had its place as a different ID, leaving a space for a true top of the line APS-C unit. To me this camera was not a well-balanced unit. 1. The image capture system was bottlenecked - The sensor was too slow for 30FPS, resulting in shutter lag, it should have an a BSI/Stacked sensor, a bigger buffer and at least one CF-Express card - perhaps a type A with the ability to also use DS cards. Then it would have been an awesome unit - yes, more expensive but the right tool for the job. 2. The 32 MP sensor was not great dealing with lower light or higher ISO 3. No battery grip - both for energy capacity, but more so for the lack of balance with heavier lenses and lack of portrait controls. 4. I prefer that the controls across all my cameras are in the same layout, so moving the control wheel was not a positive for me. I have encountered far more people claiming issues with 3rd party lenses when using the R7 than any other camera. I put this down to a doctored focal system from the R3 but adapted to a far higher-density pixel sensor. BTW, Sigma put out a vide clearly stating that their lenses work with the R-series bodies, demonstrating that on the R6. I have had the same experience - no issues with the Sigma 150-600c or 60-600s lenses. I put this down to how the focus system is configured and it is reported to work better if the OIS on the lens is turned off and one use the IBIS instead. I agree with your conclusions about cropping, but on the suitability of output, much depends on what one is going to produce. For example the R3 is not really a wildlife camera per se, it's a sports camera optimized for fast transmission of modest-sized 23MP images to a client publication, and the likely use of such images on magazine-size documents, or digital output. Thus an R5 would not be so efficient. So, for similar purposes in a wildlife context, the R6 MkI and MkII have served me well - virtually all of my output is now showing on digital devices. Nice to see a BC photographer! I am a dual-citizen Canadian and Kiwi and loved living in BC. I still miss the macro mammals: orcas and other whales, bears, moose, mountain lions and wolves that I photographed when I lived there. Now resident in NZ, it's pretty much only birds now, and most of them are in the bush - and not the relatively sparse and open Aussie bush either!
Ive just wemt from a r6 to a r7 to a r6mkii in the space of two weeks ,traded my older r6 for the r7 and sorry to say this ,i hated it, it felt all wrong and the overall quality just wasnt there for me, at least for me anyway so sold it privately and bought the r6 mkii ive only used it twice but so far i love it
Sig 2x with 150 600 sig in good light for still objects dreamy reach low light or fast take it of love lens companies to get on the Nikon tele switch on long lenses fantastic idea !
I watched this to learn all about the R8, but it seems that you just gave it a very cursory overview that was really only about button layout. Do you have another video on your channel where you go really in depth about the R8? I mean like the way Tony & Chelsea go really into depth over each new model. I would love to see a video with that much nitty-gritty detail about all the fine points of the R8, but from your perspective as a fine art bird photographer.
@@jan_wegener that is very thoughtful of you Jan. It amazes me that you have so much success with everything you have done, and yet somehow you still find time to interact with your audience members and are as helpful as you can be. I have great appreciation not only for the content you produce, but for your unselfishness and helpfulness.
TBH ...Another channel i watch uses an R3 for BP/WP . Tbh his images are top drawer . The number of MP.....Shouldn't even be an issue . It's how you use the camera and having good glass . Same applies to any tool . And practice makes perfect .
I am in Namibia with my R6 and Rf 100-500 . Servo Af with Animal tracking works perfectly with birds and some small animal , but not at all with elephants hyppos and many other . With Zebras , it focus on ears ! Is it normal ??? Thanks
Hi guys, I have both the R7 and the R6mkii. I love the back grounds (bokeh) I can get the with R6mkii. A question for you both where does something like topaz gigapixel fit into the digital workflow to give you more megapixels for cropping an R6mkii photo, when you need a heavy crop? Or is this tech crate too many artefacts.
@@jan_wegener good question, i guess i like the R7 for the extra reach the 800 F11 on the R7 is a beast and the R6mkii gives me the benefits of the full frame when i don't want the reach. So i guess what i have is a good fit for me right now. Thank you
I have my R7 for the reach. But . . . the first-curtain shutter is the first shutter I've seen that's so loud it frightens the birds. The electronic shutter readout is too slow -- not only distortion from rolling shutter, but variable focus. And the focus in/out can't be focus point shifting because, even at f/8 or f/11 (where it shouldn't make a difference) it ruins 2 out of 3 images. The R7 is almost purely a bird-on-a-stick or stationary bird camera. Very disappointing. But I keep it because 24MP isn't enough for bird photography. I will echo what so many have said . . . I would have gladly paid R5 prices for an R7 with R5 quality and features.
@@NickTheGreek-m3x, 1st image, I like the Canon colors but on the R10 it is very artificial, the focus is not those things, several photos of birds are out of focus, battery as everyone knows is bad, in general it looks like a toy camera, in the range for price I prefer Rp. I already tested the R10, 90D, SL3, R7 and the RP that I liked, wonderful images, I believe that the R8 surpasses even more! As for the R7 I didn't like it either, the mechanical shutter is horrible in focus (=90D), the R7 makes a lot of noise and the ISO above 3200 forgets it, the colors I think are a bit forced too. About to test the R8 with great possibilities to keep it!
@@rui7773 You like the rp but it does 4or5 fps compared to the r10 that does 15 with a buffer about 5sec. So in my opinion the rp is not a camera for wildlife photography. I prefer the r10 with a 300f4 is and a 1.4x iii
@@NickTheGreek-m3x, As for that, I had the 90D 11fps without focus, so it's no use for a camera to be fast at 300fps and not have focus and image quality but it's true that the RP is slow, the difference is that the photo it takes will be in focus and real colors! I'm going to buy the R8 precisely because it's a fast camera (electronic 40 and 20fps) and with excellent focus! Many told me that full frame is silly compared to APSC but when I personally tested it I saw a huge difference in the quality of the images, now for video also the RP is a negation but if I had to choose (R10/RP) I would prefer the RP for the quality of image! The best photos I have of birds, oddly enough, were with the RP and at the same time I had the 90D which was much faster without comparison but with poor focus and image quality below the RP.
Photography is just a hobby and I don't earn a single cent from my photos. The R5 is simply too expensive. I still take my photos with the 7d II and 5d III. I was hoping for the R7, but it has too many problems, e.g. no battery grip. Maybe I'll wait for an R7 II, otherwise I'll buy the R6 II.
All the new mirrorless camera will feel like a big upgrade from your current cameras. So I think you can't really go wrong. The R6 II is an exceptional camera, you'd just lose a bit of reach, similar to the 5d III
Is it true though that the R7 AF is not that good as the one on R6 and R6 Mark II when comes to BIF shoots? I'm asking because I want to upgrade from my 80D and on forums and real life scenarios reviews, the keeper rate difference between R7 and R6/R6 Mark II was pretty big, 20% or so
I've done wildlife photography in point and shoot in my teenage and then I have upgraded to Nikon DSLR now now now I i think I should go for an entry level mirroless. I am looking for a camera which can be used for bird and other wildlife photography and cam also be used nicely for travel photography too so I'm thinking about R7 so is it a good idea or we have better option available but in this range
I have an R7 after switching from Sony that I used for sports for the past 5 years. I have used Sony A9, A9II and Canon R6 mk 1. The R7 is a very good camera that takes very nice photos, but using it for anything fast moving highlights the fact the rolling shutter is very bad. I was spoilt using the Sony A9 series and Canon have only just caught up with the AF for sports with the current generation AF in the R7. I would suggest this is due in part to the significant sensor speed advantage the stacked sensors in Sony have had for many years. The R6 mk 1 was nowhere near as accurate as the A9 for fast moving small court sports. In the end the R7 is brilliant bang for buck, but I do throw away half the shots as they are completely distorted beyond saving. Photographing static subjects is fine.
I don't get the complaints on rolling shutter. I have been shooting this camera for almost a year. While it has its issues (quirky af that SAYS it's in focus on the eye, when sometimes it isn't), rolling shutter hasn't been a major one. I have shot a lot of flying birds and action. I get a warped image here and there, but not enough to be a major issue or make me stop using electronic shutter (which I need around sensitive birds). Would I prefer it never happened? Of course. But it isn't the issue (for me) that some make it out to be. Of course I do avoid the 30fps setting. 15 is fine for me. That's still 5fps faster than my previous APS-C camera, the 7dii.
I own and love the R5/150-500. In my opinion, as a bird photography tool, the 100-500 needs the 1.4 TC coupled to it and works great doing so. My huge complaint is because of their stupid design you’re not able to use the wide end (100-300), which is a huge limitation in the field if something lands close.
It guess it depends how wide you want to shoot. You will need RF-s lenses for the R7 to go wide enough , which won't be compatible with full frame cams
@@jan_wegener thanks. One more question. Is it true that you lose a f-stop of light using a full frame lens on a crop body? For example if I put the canon 400mm 5.6l on the R7 would it turn into an F8?
Guys i really need some help as my head is spinning 😫. So i currently run a 5D MKIV and shot mainly portrait and landscapes. I am looking at getting into wildlife as i find it highly interesting. Question is do i by a 2nd camera more suited to wildlife if so which (i dont have unlimited budget) or just invest in some very good glass for my MKIV? All advice appreciated guys i love the photography community.
@Jan Wegener Thank you for taking the time to reply Jan. Can you recommend a minimum focal length I should be aiming for to get started? Best kit I currently have is the 70-200mm f2.8 is usm iii and a 2x converter so 400mm f5.6. I am aware this is probably very limited 😕
R7 AF is not as good as R5. Low light is ok. I use R7 in good light and walk around. Bad rolling shutter when using electronic shutter mode for hummingbird and panning. Have to use mechanical shutter for hummingbird
Great video... I have a question sir... I'm a wildlife photographer. I use Canon 7d mark ii over 4 year.. Now I want to shift to Mirrorless body... I love this Canon R3 body, but one issue, megapixel... So, Can I go for R5?? Or 24 megapixel (R3) is enough for wildlife photography??
I saw a video here on RUclips that helped me a lot. Convert the Raw file in Photoshop to tiff without any editing, use this tiff in Topaz All and convert to 45mp in the Noise 0 Blur 17 setting, resolution 8,192 x 5,461, you will have a file equivalent to R5 so you can cut without significant loss of resolution!
Its a tough question. If money is no object then a second R5. But for me I still dont have a second mirrorless camera. Trying to make it to the R52 and then R5 will be backup.
Some photos screaming for tighter crop the more more I see need a story or interesting background r we to scared of mp definition loss ? Woodpecker yes get rid of the left part love the angles on the right side of picture balance maybe tricky
Question, I currently own the R5 (coming from the R6) and primary use it with the 100-500. When I pair my lens with the 1.4 extender I see the quality and sharpness drop a lot. This is understandable ofcourse. I am curious how an extender on the R5 stacks up against the native lens on an R7. Is this something someone has an opinion on?
@@r2hildur I understand, what I mean is comparing an extender to increase range vs using the crop of the R7. The lens by itself is not soft. I've used sharpen AI and sometimes it is usefull to save a picture when you just missed focus by a hair or on fast moving subjects, but in general I tend to find the result over sharpened and only use it very sparingly or only in specific regions of an image
Sorry Canon, R7 is ultra disappointing, half-baked and not worthy of the mantle of 7DII successor. It's the real R10 IMO. Sensor scan speed is woeful as are the ergonomics. Why would you throw out a proven and loved layout for some hair-brained approach. Didn't they learn from the stupid slide-bar of the EOS R? Honestly, I would buy a second hand R5 in a heartbeat, and IQ even with 1.4x will give you still better results at high ISO and more reach. R7 should have been priced a lot higher, but been significantly better. If it were the same sensor as the Fuji XH-2s, and also had the same EVF, I would have bought one in a heartbeat. Such a shame as the R7 AF is pretty good, probably way better than the 7DII on it's best day.
well, people should spend as little as possible of their precious time on image processing, as the latter could be time consuming, unless the latter is a primary source of their "unhealthy" income. Digital image processing, in most cases, translates into unhealthy sedentary lifestyle, also known as 'diabetes_typeII_lifestyle'. I hope that R6 Mark III will reduce rates of diabetes_typeII worldwide. Therefore, primary task for Canon, Sony, Nikon engineers is to minimize image processing, and the latter should be done on-fly.
Since the R7 is my first experience with a control wheel and joystick, I have no complaints about its position and am very glad that they're there!
I bought the R7 as a second camera to my R5 and, well, It’s become my first camera for wildlife now. I love the reach and the the body layout. But I agree with Glenn, I would rather have spent a little more to see that dreadful rolling shutter improved and a slightly better lowlight performance. Still it‘s an amazing cam
Maybe the R7II will be the real deal
Do you think it is possible to fix the rolling shutter some with a firmware update or do have to always live with it?
I have an R7, and the rolling shutter does urk me, so I shoot mostly in First Curtain mechanical. Watching the video, I love the high rear wheel, I was considering the R6.2, but I think the R7 is for me. I need some advice, my wife has my old 90D with a Tamron 18-400 , The loves the flexibilty and weight of the lens, but has ZERO interest in swapping lenses in the field.
I dont think much of the lens for wildlife,. Options are, another lens, any ideas? upgrade to a R7 or R10 with the Tamron. She was not interested in the RF100-400 because she wants the wide angle. Do guys have any reccomendations?
@@andrewkeir2282 I use the RF 100-500 all the time on the R7 for birds and wildlife. The 100-400 is a good choice with the converter to save a few dollars. I keep the 24-105 that came with my R6 on it and they both cover everything I shoot. I also put my RF16mm f2.8 on the R6 for astrophotography. Thats just me.
@@angelogarciajr5356 I don‘t think you can fix it via firmware and even if, I think Canon would not fix it as it is a way to lead customers to higher end models.
Another beautiful and entertaining Bird Photography Show. We always look forward to it. Thank you Jan and Glenn, you are totally awesome.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow ! This video was pertinent on SO many levels for me 🙂
I owned the R5 for a year, but after buying the R7, I loved it so much, I sold my R5 and bought a second R7 for my backup. So yes, for me, reach was everything !
Oh, and my favorite lens for my R7's, is my RF 800 F11 👍 1280mm all day long !
Jan, I'm SO anxious to see you do a full vid on this combo. I know how well it has worked for me, so I'm sure your results are going to be even better 🙂
The Allen's Hummer is awesome, AND it was my buddy who shot it 👍
And that final shot of the Blue Grosbeak, Fantastic ! What are the odds, I just got some really great shots of a BG myself only a few days ago.
Still trying to decide on some shots to send you guys.... But your viewers shoot some crazy good stuff ! Stiff competition for sure 🙂
Thanks for the awesome video guys.
Thanks for sharing !
I used to have the R5, and sold it after I got my R7. May sound crazy to some, but I haven't found a ton of downsides for the "reach". It doesn't do as well with low light, but I accept it. I also gave up my much more expensive 500mm mkii for the 100-500mm. The stabilizer is so good, I just don't feel like I need to carry around so much gear. Personal tastes. F4 is great and everything, but how often do we actually shoot wildlife at F4? Very rarely for me.
Like the judging of the bird shots. Thx
FF quality is the most important thing for me that why I use m6mk2 for birding😅
Great video gents, both cameras have their place, I agree would have been amazing with say the Fuji X-H2S stacked sensor. Cheers, Duade
My thumb likes where that round wheel is on the R7 and I love the resolution. It's not a perfect camera by a long shot. But it's excellent for the price and actually seems to spend more time in my hands lately than my R5.
Thanks for sharing! It’s definitely a great camera. It really seems to depend on the situation you’re shooting as well as to how it will perform
Same here! Great with 100-500. R6 Mark ii would never give me enough with that lens.
fabulous episode as ever, love your discussion and the shots you picked. thanks a million Jan and Glenn.
Cheers!
Good show, Jan and Glenn. I have the R5 and the R7 and I love the R7. I’ve had 3 friends switch to the R7 since I’ve had it. We are all birders and wildlife photographers and the reach that I get with the RF 100-500 and the RF 800 on the R7 can be really good and very portable. Today I was out after osprey, as usual it dove at a distance, but extra reach with the crop on the R7 really helped pull it in.
Thats great that its working well for you. Keep on shootin!
Yes, for walk around combos the R7 is unbeaten in it's reach
As of January 2023, I've been using the Canon R7 with my Sigma 150-600mm Contemporary. At times, the lens will not focus properly, but this does not happen often. When it does, I simply turn the camera off and then back on, and everything works well afterwards. A few days ago, I read where someone had updated the lens firmware and that brought on many problems, hence I won't bother doing that. I've tried Electronic 1st shutter curtain but switched back to mechanical shutter as my go to option. I must say I like the camera-lens combo very much and am amazed at the quality of the photos I've taken, including many of Cooper's hawks and the elusive brown creeper. On a side note, I was out up to 3 times per week all winter doing bird photography in Montreal. Canada, and I must say the camera battery held up real well in the cold. I was very impressed! Cheers and thanks for another amazing video guys :)
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
I am fortunate to have both and can say each performs so well that I think it does come down to reach (both long and short). I actually prefer the R7 ergonomics, but do wish it had the quieter shutter and battery grip option of the R6ii. The biggest issue, as you guys pointed out, is getting confused when I switch back and forth. I don’t shoot wildlife, but the R7 is outstanding in my most challenging shoots, event photography in large poorly lit churches. Love the images I’m getting with both the 70-200 f/2.8 and 400 f/2.8. Now, when I need to go wide that crop factor is a problem. Enter the R6ii . . .
Thanks for sharing!
Sounds like you have found a great combo for what you need.
I have had my R5 and got the R7 about 6 months ago. I run the RF 100-500. I do tons of other photography so the R5 is best for that but man the R7 has been amazing for wildlife. R7 + 100-500mm combo is perfect.
Yes, it works well on that lens
I have the same combo, and find that the camera is very slow to latch onto flying birds if at all. I have missed a lot of shots due to this issue. Am I doing something wrong?
@@goofinOff235not sure it depends on how far the subjects are from you. Also depends on if there is a ton of background clutter. I found these two things can cause the lens to struggle finding the subject but that’s also why I used two autofocus buttons. One for spot and one for eye AF.
Thanks for the feature! That actually is in the Australian Garden section of a park here in California, hence the familiar plant!
Great shot!
Congrats buddy!
Your mastery, your passion and your good sens of humour make this a great show
Thanks for watching!
Great show again, thanks guys.
Great to hear you enjoyed it
Cheers George!
12:19 - 12:57 You and me both, Glenn. 100% correct!
Agree on the R7 sensor and body. I would rather pay a little more for something with a similar body, build to the R6II and faster censor readout. The shutter is much louder than the R5 and R6 and due to the poor sensor readout you will use it more often than on the other bodies.
Yes, it’s a great camera but some lost potential
I use the R7 daily and with FV mode I only need the front dial and rear wheel. I added a grip extender. I have tracking and eye af enabled on the front shutter button so I don't need an extra button for tracking or to enable the eye af. After shooting this way with the R7, the R6 felt like it had too many dials and buttons LOL. I love having the extra megapixels for cropping and I don't need 40 frames per second.
Yes I agree...
@@ForrestWest hej mate what grip extender did you get?
Good suggestion the R7 should have been an R9 but Canon sold the R7 on name alone really. Would love the R7 to be a true successor to the 7D line as a body with all the wheels/grip etc.
I have both the R6ii and the R7, and I sold the R5. I think you guys did not give due consideration to the R6ii AF capabilities. I gave up on the R5 because the AF just could not get the bird fast enough. I've missed so many photo opportunities it was becoming frustrating using the R5. The R6ii is a huge step up in this respect because I can get the shot which I'd previously missed with the R5. Another birding friend also gave up on the higher MP R5 for the R3 and his backup is the R6ii. In terms of the MP count, through my month long use of the R6ii, I don't feel any major lost of resolution compared to the R5. I'm able to crop up to 66% quite easily and get good sharp shots.
Bird photography in the South East Asian jungles isn't like putting up a branch and getting the birds to perch nicely on them. Babblers and especially wren-babblers are not attracted to open branches, so you won't get them on the 'ideal' perch as you like to postulate. Similarly trogons and broadbills won't sit nicely on open branches. I do appreciate PS's 'remove' tool in this respect, but most of the time we have to shoot them in-situ. I think you guys should be more 'open' to alternative bird photography, not every bird will sit nicely for a portrait.
Obrigado pelo seu comentário me ajudou a decidir R62 vs R5 ! 👍🇧🇷
Você acha que o R62 se iguala a R7 no quesito corte com esses 66%?
Bought the R6 when it first came out and loved it. Then two years later I bought the R5. If I want to crop then I go to the 1.6 crop using my 800 f11. This suits me fine and don't see the need for a crop sensor camera. To add to the fun I also have the 1.4 RF converter.
Nice set up!
This video convinced me to order the R6mkii. I’ve been using my old 6Dmkii forever now so it’s going to be a nice upgrade. I miss the reach I used to have with a crop but ever since I went full frame APS-C looks mediocre. For me, image quality is king. I’ll buy longer lenses my 500mm f4 with 1.4x tc has worked for a long time now.
👏👏👏👍 penso assim também !! FF é vida!
With the R6MKII, if you adapt it to a Canon EF-S lens, the camera will automatically crop it. The R6MKII will revert to FF for adapted EF lenses. So you have the ability to use RF, EF, & EF-S lenses on this camera. I just got one and it doesn’t disappoint. I’ll never get rid of my 90D and 5DMKIV but the R62 will become my go to.
Loved this video, I am dithering about the R7, 18-150 and 100-400. You helped a lot. Thanks guys.
R7 and 100-500 wich is VERY sharp are the best combination i have had. R7 has the digital zoom for film and 4K crop( fantastic video quality) and are super versatile with its near focus at 1m.
Glad you enjoy your kit!
If you want to go from the 24MP of an R62, for example, do the following, convert the Raw file in Photoshop to tiff without any editing, use this tiff in Topaz All and convert to 45mp in the Noise 0 Blur 17 setting, resolution 8,192 x 5,461, you will have a file equivalent to R5 so you can cut without significant loss of resolution! 24 MP to 45 MP!
@1:20 "So anyway, I started blasting.."
It's so much fun and educational to listen to you both. I'm keen to see the next episode. Greetings from Munich 😉
Glad you enjoy it!
Entertaining and informative as always! I agree with Glenn on the R7 rolling shutter. It limits the benefit of the electronic shutter, but then again the mechanical is still 15 fps which is usually enough. Still my main thought is the same as I had with the 7D which is, its an excellent camera in optimal lighting, but it lacks in IQ when the light is even slightly less than optimal. It is still a great value overall though.
The nature of the beast of APS-C. I don't find rolling shutter as big a deal as folks on RUclips make it out to be. One or two warped shots here and there amongst dozens that are fine. I have been shooting a lot of flying birds and getting amazing stuff with electronic shutter (though I am using H, 15fps, not H+, 30fps). Detail is unbelievable! More shots are missed due to the quirky af (some shots soft even though the focus point is squarely on the eye) than rolling shutter.
There was a huge leap from the Canon 7D to the 7D Mk II. Many wildlife professionals jumped from the much more expensive 1D series when the 7D Mk II came out. I wonder whether the eventual R7 Mk II will be a similar leap in quality and features. Certainly, the R6 to R6 Mk II was a huge jump.
The question is: Can I wait for an R7 II or will I buy an R6 II before? Coming form 7dII an 5dIII. I need lowlight quality for rock concerts too.
Great video! I think the choice between the R6ii and the R7 really comes down to personal preference. I shot with an R6 for 2 years after coming from Micro Four Thirds. I used several lenses with my favorite being the RF 100-500mm. I was excited when the R7 came out and pre-ordered the kit. I got mine the day after it started shipping. I used it for 6 months and while I got some great shots with it I was really never happy with it. But I didn’t want to go back to the short reach of the R6. I was very annoyed with Canon’s decision to skimp on some the specs of the R7 to meet a low price point. Since I don’t believe they will produce a crop sensor body with better specs anytime soon. So I sold all of my Canon gear and went with an OM-1 with the 300mm F4 Pro lens. I also have the PL 100-400 zoom and both TCs. I am happy with the choice after 4 months. The OM-1 feels much better to me than the R7. I have never even thought about the buffer because I have never noticed any issues with it. The AF works well in poor light. My R7 got noticeably worse as the light fades. We’ll see where things are when the R5ii comes out in the future. I do miss the RF 100-500. I do know several local birders using the R7 and loving it. It was an upgrade for them. For me it felt like and upgrade in reach but a downgrade in everything else.
To me that last photo looks like it was rotated 90 degrees and the branch was originally vertical. Great video per usual!
Glad you liked the show!
R7 is def a capable little camera in the right situ,, but overall I hard a hard time loving it. button layout horrible, and not really usable after iso4000 or so, which is a lot to get used to after shooting R5/R62.
love the format of this vid Jan, keep up the great work sir 👌
R7 + R6 mark2 both are great combination. I have RF 400 2.8 both tc's (1.4x and 2x) works wonderful.There are
a lot of sutiations that R7's crop factor becomes a problem.Than using R6 mark2 in that situations would be a nice option.
With r6 mark 2 RF 400 2.8 becomes a real 400 mm monster.. with 2x Tc as a 800 5.6 lens even r6 mark 2 can capture great captures and witheasier framing..
So ..R7 plus R6 mark 2 combination makes all things better.
Have both R7 and R6MK2 button layout not a big deal. Auto technician for over 15 years repairing various auto makes and models so adapting to changes and layout is second nature for me. I like my RF800 on my R6MK2 more than it on the R7. But I prefer the 150-600 and my 100-400 on my R7.
Thanks for sharing whats working for you!
Hi Jan & Glenn, this was exactly my dilemma end of last summer, like a month before Jan was the first to drop the news the R6ii was coming .. I used to love the EF 100-400Lii on my 70D, and of course the R6 which replaced my 70D in 2021 was miles better in nearly all corners .. yet it really made the 100-400 feel waay too short. And EF extenders came with a compromise.
So I was torn between upgrading my R6 to the R5, or to add the R7 to my R6. Your comparison confirms getting the R5 was the right choice for me 🙂
I do understand the president of Canonda, but I'd say the R7 is the true heir of the 7D, yet we'll need the R7ii to have a successor for the legendary 7Dii and hopefully by then the suggested segmenting will happen ;-)
As usual, awesome #birdphotoshow images and to the point remarks !
In camera world, we all have to make comprises/trade offs so totally depends on one's need and willingness to give up on a thing or two (if you want best image quality with softer background go for full frame but need to buy heavy lenses for reach, or get apsc and have light set up but loose on depth of field)
Yep
Thanks for sharing another wonderful video like always, I really enjoy my R7 and I don't need another camera for wildlife photography but I am looking forward to get the Nikon Z8 🐦👍🤗
I was also concerned about the small buffer on the R7 but I never run into any problems with that. I shoot with CRAW as it is recommended by canon and can shoot much longer than on my 7DMkII before the buffer fills up. I lso use fast SD Cards.
The only time I really noticed the full buffer was while focusstacking, after taking too much stacks back to back.
Glad its working well for you!
Thanks..valuable comment. And what is the buffer like on the r7 when shooting JPEG?
I'm still confused as to why Canon has a different button and dial layout for every body. I used to be a Nikon fan for their ergonomics and consistent layout from one model to another. Now that I've moved to Canon, I'm worried about switching back and forth between two Canon bodies and having switch gears in my brain as to the layout. I wish I had R5 money in my future but it's not going to happen. The R6 mkII could be a possibility though. Thanks for the comparison!
Canon is still looking ways to innovate their button layout.
The video-stills switch is well received so Canon decided to implement on all cameras after R7. On the other hand, the wheel-joystick is somewhat controversial, so Canon decided to go back to the traditional joystick.
0:43 - one thing about bird photography is that sometimes they'll just decide to casually take a dump in flight while you're watching.
As a long-time Canon shooter, I have to agree that their current penchant for changing dial, button, and switch positions with each new camera release is frustrating. I understand that some changes may save manufacturing costs, but consistent and stable ergonomics have been a hallmark for Canon for decades. Constantly switching controls around makes it difficult for customers with multiple camera body models.
True!
IF R7 was a 2500 dollars camera with a stacked sensor and 40FPS burst speed + no rolling shutter. It'd be the ideal camera but still I can't complain at 1500 dollars price point. I own the R7 and I named it The Ferrari because it's still a beast!
Thanks....
I wouldn't trade my R7 for an R62, or R5, or R3, Z8, Z9, or an A1.
Now that’s commitment 👍😉😀
Glad you enjoy the camera!
That's because you have never tried full frame 😅
Said a Canon spokesperson!
@@mlai2546 that's because he has nothing to prove lol
Completely agree that the rolling shutter is horrible on the R7. I want to use it more, but I only turn it on when I have to. The second minor quibble, which CBG solved, is there's no OEM grip/extension. I bought the extension from CBG and it makes using the R7 so much better. I also didn't like the layout change from my 7Dii, but got used to it. The R7 completely blows the 7DII out of the water aside from build quality.
I'm so thankful that I was able to get the R5 and pair it with the Rf100-500. Even looking at the new offerings from Canon and Nikon's Z8, the R5 is perfect for me.
It's a great camera
Not an easy choice until we get really high mpix FF
Awesome!
i would have paid more for a better R7
same body as R6, but the smaller sensor (some improvements in rolling shutter and ISO performance would have been nice), and ability to take a vertical grip.
Instead selling the R7 off
Sounds about right...
As hobbyist photographer and Nikon Z50 (with the kit lenses). I mainly shoot while traveling, family events and general photography. I like to start shooting wildlife and I have used my Z50 with the 50-250mm to shoot some wildlife, but the lack of AF and no ibis in the camera has made it a bit difficult. So I have thought of changing brands, but struggle with the cost of changing. So I may wait a bit longer to see if Nikon introduces a D500 mirrorless replacement with IBIS and lot better AF. Great comparison on the R6II and the R7.
Love Canon cameras.... Still looking for Nightvision and Infrared settings... Still hoping.
I use the R5 and the R7, the R7 with 600 II has become my Bird camera. Using electronic shutter at 15fps and a custom handgrip makes it much easier to handle.
Glad you found a kit that works for you.
05:33 Glenn... Now I'm gonna be THAT person ("Acktchually") I'd say that the Calliope and Costa's are the smallest Hummers in North America (8 cm). Rufous share the 9 cm bracket with Ruby-throated and Black-chinned... Sorry, with my screen name I just couldn't let that pass. Me being a bit jealous over that wonderful footage and photos probably inched me over the comment-edge...
Hahha....Thanks for the correction!
Hope is on the way ? CANON R7 mk 2
I have an R6 and an R7 and decided I did not want to wear them out shooting sports, so I went back to my 5D3 with my 100-400. What a dinosaur lol Dont get me wrong, the 5D3 set up takes great sharp photos but the mirrorless just feels miles ahead lol The mirrorless spoils me.
Absolutely!
I do have the 5D3 which is a very good camera. I am getting up there in age, so I am looking at the R7 for its weight and price. I am intrigued with the APS-C format. I have read a lot of good things about the camera. I have a good lineup of lenses I will keep and use with the adapter. Deciding to keep the 5D3 for a backup or sell it.I love the video by the way.
@@johnflangsenkamp928 Except for the distortion of images the R7 can produce, it is a great camera. I still use my 5D3 a lot. Best to keep it. They wont offer you much for it.
13:26 Thanks for featuring my Southern Silvery Kingfisher photo in the show Jan and Glenn!!! Love the content you guys make and I’ll definitely keep the feedback in mind to become a better wildlife photographer!🫶
It's a great photo!
I am really very confused in these cameras... should i go for R7 for more MP and R6 ii .... just hobby bird photography and family/ friends portrait photography.. can you please advice me
How is the R7 inferior to the R5 for shooting birds and wildlife, pre-capture and macro when it's putting more pixels on the subject and a larger subject in the frame? I understand the autofocus is a little more jumpy but for shooting birds and wildlife and bugs and blooms out in the field how is the R7 a camera for beginners and the R5 so much better? Weather sealing doesn't matter to me because I protect my gear and don't shoot in pouring rain. I wouldn't trade my R7 for an R5.
To each their own. As you know I'm not a big fan of the R7...But glad you enjoy it!
Eu não trocaria porquê nunca compraria um R7 ! 😆
Having been a wildlife shooter for decades, and a very happy user of the 7D series, to me the R7 was never a true successor to the 7DII as a flagship pro APS-C camera and like you, feel it should have had its place as a different ID, leaving a space for a true top of the line APS-C unit. To me this camera was not a well-balanced unit.
1. The image capture system was bottlenecked - The sensor was too slow for 30FPS, resulting in shutter lag, it should have an a BSI/Stacked sensor, a bigger buffer and at least one CF-Express card - perhaps a type A with the ability to also use DS cards. Then it would have been an awesome unit - yes, more expensive but the right tool for the job.
2. The 32 MP sensor was not great dealing with lower light or higher ISO
3. No battery grip - both for energy capacity, but more so for the lack of balance with heavier lenses and lack of portrait controls.
4. I prefer that the controls across all my cameras are in the same layout, so moving the control wheel was not a positive for me.
I have encountered far more people claiming issues with 3rd party lenses when using the R7 than any other camera. I put this down to a doctored focal system from the R3 but adapted to a far higher-density pixel sensor. BTW, Sigma put out a vide clearly stating that their lenses work with the R-series bodies, demonstrating that on the R6. I have had the same experience - no issues with the Sigma 150-600c or 60-600s lenses. I put this down to how the focus system is configured and it is reported to work better if the OIS on the lens is turned off and one use the IBIS instead.
I agree with your conclusions about cropping, but on the suitability of output, much depends on what one is going to produce. For example the R3 is not really a wildlife camera per se, it's a sports camera optimized for fast transmission of modest-sized 23MP images to a client publication, and the likely use of such images on magazine-size documents, or digital output. Thus an R5 would not be so efficient. So, for similar purposes in a wildlife context, the R6 MkI and MkII have served me well - virtually all of my output is now showing on digital devices.
Nice to see a BC photographer! I am a dual-citizen Canadian and Kiwi and loved living in BC. I still miss the macro mammals: orcas and other whales, bears, moose, mountain lions and wolves that I photographed when I lived there. Now resident in NZ, it's pretty much only birds now, and most of them are in the bush - and not the relatively sparse and open Aussie bush either!
Thanks for sharing Trevor!
What you think if I combine tamron 150-600mm g2 canon with r8 or r7 do you think this is the best combo for wildlife?
Ive just wemt from a r6 to a r7 to a r6mkii in the space of two weeks ,traded my older r6 for the r7 and sorry to say this ,i hated it, it felt all wrong and the overall quality just wasnt there for me, at least for me anyway so sold it privately and bought the r6 mkii ive only used it twice but so far i love it
R6 II is a fantastic tool
Hello both ..
How does the focus of r5 stand up compared to r6 mk2?
Good, but not as good imo
Ya I think R6II is even a bit better
Ok. I am debating upgrading from original r6. R5 was top candidate. If the difference is not much maybe worth the upgrade I guess
Sig 2x with 150 600 sig in good light for still objects dreamy reach low light or fast take it of love lens companies to get on the Nikon tele switch on long lenses fantastic idea !
I watched this to learn all about the R8, but it seems that you just gave it a very cursory overview that was really only about button layout. Do you have another video on your channel where you go really in depth about the R8? I mean like the way Tony & Chelsea go really into depth over each new model. I would love to see a video with that much nitty-gritty detail about all the fine points of the R8, but from your perspective as a fine art bird photographer.
I talked about it a bit in my video yesterday and Glenn will share some more experiences soon.
@@jan_wegener that is very thoughtful of you Jan. It amazes me that you have so much success with everything you have done, and yet somehow you still find time to interact with your audience members and are as helpful as you can be. I have great appreciation not only for the content you produce, but for your unselfishness and helpfulness.
TBH ...Another channel i watch uses an R3 for BP/WP . Tbh his images are top drawer .
The number of MP.....Shouldn't even be an issue . It's how you use the camera and having good glass . Same applies to any tool . And
practice makes perfect .
Ya the R3 isnt the one for me....to each their own!
Om1
We need to try one for sure!
Glen...10D pshaw.. I started with a D60. LOL
Oh nice....old school 🙂
I started with a EOS Rebel t4i. 3 frames per second for the first second, 1 fps after that.
I am in Namibia with my R6 and Rf 100-500 . Servo Af with Animal tracking works perfectly with birds and some small animal , but not at all with elephants hyppos and many other . With Zebras , it focus on ears ! Is it normal ??? Thanks
Z9 of course
Hi guys, I have both the R7 and the R6mkii. I love the back grounds (bokeh) I can get the with R6mkii. A question for you both where does something like topaz gigapixel fit into the digital workflow to give you more megapixels for cropping an R6mkii photo, when you need a heavy crop? Or is this tech crate too many artefacts.
It's something I use when I have to it does usually a good job, but I would not want to apply it all the time.
I think it can help. But ultimately I still prefer to get more pixels on the subject in the field. Maybe down the road though. Who knows with AI ??
So for someone who has an R7 and an R6mkii should I sell both and get an R5 or stick with the two of them?
@@glenpearson8277 it really depends what you want and how you shoot. Do you feel like you're lacking something?
@@jan_wegener good question, i guess i like the R7 for the extra reach the 800 F11 on the R7 is a beast and the R6mkii gives me the benefits of the full frame when i don't want the reach. So i guess what i have is a good fit for me right now. Thank you
Nikon Z8 or Z9 😝
Nikon Z8 is the best in terms of specs, photo quality, no mech shutter, price and no cripple hammer. How about that.
Jan will let us know his thoughts!
I have my R7 for the reach. But . . . the first-curtain shutter is the first shutter I've seen that's so loud it frightens the birds. The electronic shutter readout is too slow -- not only distortion from rolling shutter, but variable focus. And the focus in/out can't be focus point shifting because, even at f/8 or f/11 (where it shouldn't make a difference) it ruins 2 out of 3 images. The R7 is almost purely a bird-on-a-stick or stationary bird camera. Very disappointing. But I keep it because 24MP isn't enough for bird photography. I will echo what so many have said . . . I would have gladly paid R5 prices for an R7 with R5 quality and features.
Should’ve compared the R8 and the R7. They are the same price
Yes we will. R8 wasnt out when we filmed.
Isn't the R8 actually the only camera that has a usable pre-burst? It's like unusable on the R6 MK2 with the limited buffer.
Good questions. We shall see!
What do you think about the r10? Would you combine it whith the rf100-400 or the sigma 150-600G2?
R10 👎
@@rui7773 why???
@@NickTheGreek-m3x, 1st image, I like the Canon colors but on the R10 it is very artificial, the focus is not those things, several photos of birds are out of focus, battery as everyone knows is bad, in general it looks like a toy camera, in the range for price I prefer Rp. I already tested the R10, 90D, SL3, R7 and the RP that I liked, wonderful images, I believe that the R8 surpasses even more! As for the R7 I didn't like it either, the mechanical shutter is horrible in focus (=90D), the R7 makes a lot of noise and the ISO above 3200 forgets it, the colors I think are a bit forced too. About to test the R8 with great possibilities to keep it!
@@rui7773 You like the rp but it does 4or5 fps compared to the r10 that does 15 with a buffer about 5sec. So in my opinion the rp is not a camera for wildlife photography. I prefer the r10 with a 300f4 is and a 1.4x iii
@@NickTheGreek-m3x, As for that, I had the 90D 11fps without focus, so it's no use for a camera to be fast at 300fps and not have focus and image quality but it's true that the RP is slow, the difference is that the photo it takes will be in focus and real colors! I'm going to buy the R8 precisely because it's a fast camera (electronic 40 and 20fps) and with excellent focus! Many told me that full frame is silly compared to APSC but when I personally tested it I saw a huge difference in the quality of the images, now for video also the RP is a negation but if I had to choose (R10/RP) I would prefer the RP for the quality of image! The best photos I have of birds, oddly enough, were with the RP and at the same time I had the 90D which was much faster without comparison but with poor focus and image quality below the RP.
A1 😎
Hehe
Still the king in many ways
Photography is just a hobby and I don't earn a single cent from my photos. The R5 is simply too expensive. I still take my photos with the 7d II and 5d III. I was hoping for the R7, but it has too many problems, e.g. no battery grip. Maybe I'll wait for an R7 II, otherwise I'll buy the R6 II.
All the new mirrorless camera will feel like a big upgrade from your current cameras. So I think you can't really go wrong. The R6 II is an exceptional camera, you'd just lose a bit of reach, similar to the 5d III
Is it true though that the R7 AF is not that good as the one on R6 and R6 Mark II when comes to BIF shoots? I'm asking because I want to upgrade from my 80D and on forums and real life scenarios reviews, the keeper rate difference between R7 and R6/R6 Mark II was pretty big, 20% or so
I’d say that’s the case for me too
I've done wildlife photography in point and shoot in my teenage and then I have upgraded to Nikon DSLR now now now I i think I should go for an entry level mirroless.
I am looking for a camera which can be used for bird and other wildlife photography and cam also be used nicely for travel photography too so I'm thinking about R7 so is it a good idea or we have better option available but in this range
In your case I would look at R7 (crop camera) or R8 for the same price (full frame). R8 has the better AF, but much less reach for wildlife
@@jan_wegenerthanks 🙏🏻
I have an R7 after switching from Sony that I used for sports for the past 5 years. I have used Sony A9, A9II and Canon R6 mk 1. The R7 is a very good camera that takes very nice photos, but using it for anything fast moving highlights the fact the rolling shutter is very bad. I was spoilt using the Sony A9 series and Canon have only just caught up with the AF for sports with the current generation AF in the R7. I would suggest this is due in part to the significant sensor speed advantage the stacked sensors in Sony have had for many years. The R6 mk 1 was nowhere near as accurate as the A9 for fast moving small court sports. In the end the R7 is brilliant bang for buck, but I do throw away half the shots as they are completely distorted beyond saving. Photographing static subjects is fine.
I don't get the complaints on rolling shutter. I have been shooting this camera for almost a year. While it has its issues (quirky af that SAYS it's in focus on the eye, when sometimes it isn't), rolling shutter hasn't been a major one. I have shot a lot of flying birds and action. I get a warped image here and there, but not enough to be a major issue or make me stop using electronic shutter (which I need around sensitive birds). Would I prefer it never happened? Of course. But it isn't the issue (for me) that some make it out to be. Of course I do avoid the 30fps setting. 15 is fine for me. That's still 5fps faster than my previous APS-C camera, the 7dii.
I was wondering if you guys have had the chance to play with r8 yet. I have been looking at it but i also been told to look at a used r6 and a r7.
Next episode 😀
@@jan_wegener right on. Have a good day Jan.
I own and love the R5/150-500. In my opinion, as a bird photography tool, the 100-500 needs the 1.4 TC coupled to it and works great doing so. My huge complaint is because of their stupid design you’re not able to use the wide end (100-300), which is a huge limitation in the field if something lands close.
That sure is annoying!
@@jan_wegener How would you consider the build quality, Jan, vs R5 and R7. I know about the wheel and buttons being in a different spot.
@@georgewelch2366 R5 is a bit better
Very Nice 👌🌹👍
The r7 is so easy to use and is without doubt the best canon camera ever made. My opinion only.
So confused. as a landscape shooter (not birds) is the r6ii worth the $1500 more over the r7?
It guess it depends how wide you want to shoot. You will need RF-s lenses for the R7 to go wide enough , which won't be compatible with full frame cams
@@jan_wegenerwell I have an 10-22 efs and a 24-70ef. I believe the 10-22 can be used on the r6 with the adapter taking care of vignetting.
Share your experience with z8
I have to use it first :D Can only do a review when you have tested it properly. But I will post an updated Wednesday
Please...
@@GlennBartley 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Would you say that a canon R7 is an improvements of an old 5d Mark ii. Even in lowlight?
In basically every aspect I’d say
@@jan_wegener thanks. One more question. Is it true that you lose a f-stop of light using a full frame lens on a crop body? For example if I put the canon 400mm 5.6l on the R7 would it turn into an F8?
@@jeremiahsrandomness1692 it’s 5.6 but the background will look more like 640mm/8 on a full frame camera
If you just compare two things then you don't describe the winner as The BEST - it's only the _better._
Guys i really need some help as my head is spinning 😫.
So i currently run a 5D MKIV and shot mainly portrait and landscapes. I am looking at getting into wildlife as i find it highly interesting. Question is do i by a 2nd camera more suited to wildlife if so which (i dont have unlimited budget) or just invest in some very good glass for my MKIV?
All advice appreciated guys i love the photography community.
Also, options don't need to be only mirrorless. I'd happily consider older models if suitable.
The 5 D will work fine if you just want to see if wildlife is for you. But something like an R5 is a whole other level
@Jan Wegener Thank you for taking the time to reply Jan. Can you recommend a minimum focal length I should be aiming for to get started? Best kit I currently have is the 70-200mm f2.8 is usm iii and a 2x converter so 400mm f5.6. I am aware this is probably very limited 😕
Do you know if your Prosets will work in Capture One?
I don’t think so
R7 AF is not as good as R5. Low light is ok. I use R7 in good light and walk around. Bad rolling shutter when using electronic shutter mode for hummingbird and panning. Have to use mechanical shutter for hummingbird
Yup...you nailed it
Great video... I have a question sir...
I'm a wildlife photographer. I use Canon 7d mark ii over 4 year.. Now I want to shift to Mirrorless body... I love this Canon R3 body, but one issue, megapixel...
So, Can I go for R5??
Or 24 megapixel (R3) is enough for wildlife photography??
For me I MUCH prefer the R5
I saw a video here on RUclips that helped me a lot. Convert the Raw file in Photoshop to tiff without any editing, use this tiff in Topaz All and convert to 45mp in the Noise 0 Blur 17 setting, resolution 8,192 x 5,461, you will have a file equivalent to R5 so you can cut without significant loss of resolution!
What’s your recommendation for a 2nd body if you have an R5?
Its a tough question. If money is no object then a second R5. But for me I still dont have a second mirrorless camera. Trying to make it to the R52 and then R5 will be backup.
R5 mk II
Between R7 and R wich better ??
R7 imo
Thank u ❤
Some photos screaming for tighter crop the more more I see need a story or interesting background r we to scared of mp definition loss ? Woodpecker yes get rid of the left part love the angles on the right side of picture balance maybe tricky
Question, I currently own the R5 (coming from the R6) and primary use it with the 100-500. When I pair my lens with the 1.4 extender I see the quality and sharpness drop a lot. This is understandable ofcourse. I am curious how an extender on the R5 stacks up against the native lens on an R7. Is this something someone has an opinion on?
Personally I never like to use TCs on zoom lenses.
@@r2hildur I understand, what I mean is comparing an extender to increase range vs using the crop of the R7. The lens by itself is not soft. I've used sharpen AI and sometimes it is usefull to save a picture when you just missed focus by a hair or on fast moving subjects, but in general I tend to find the result over sharpened and only use it very sparingly or only in specific regions of an image
iQ will be be better with the r7 with no TC, as there is no loss of light and AF than the R5 with the TC
@@KevinNordstrom Thanks! That's something I did not think about, makes sense Indeed
I sometimes use the 1.4x with the Rf100-500 on an R5 but have not noticed a drop in quality. If it's there, it doesn't seem to matter.
Same here. Couldn’t handle the R7 ergonomics. Too small. No rear wheel. Etc.
Sorry Canon, R7 is ultra disappointing, half-baked and not worthy of the mantle of 7DII successor. It's the real R10 IMO. Sensor scan speed is woeful as are the ergonomics. Why would you throw out a proven and loved layout for some hair-brained approach. Didn't they learn from the stupid slide-bar of the EOS R?
Honestly, I would buy a second hand R5 in a heartbeat, and IQ even with 1.4x will give you still better results at high ISO and more reach. R7 should have been priced a lot higher, but been significantly better. If it were the same sensor as the Fuji XH-2s, and also had the same EVF, I would have bought one in a heartbeat.
Such a shame as the R7 AF is pretty good, probably way better than the 7DII on it's best day.
I totally agree.
well, people should spend as little as possible of their precious time on image processing, as the latter could be time consuming, unless the latter is a primary source of their "unhealthy" income. Digital image processing, in most cases, translates into unhealthy sedentary lifestyle, also known as 'diabetes_typeII_lifestyle'. I hope that R6 Mark III will reduce rates of diabetes_typeII worldwide. Therefore, primary task for Canon, Sony, Nikon engineers is to minimize image processing, and the latter should be done on-fly.