Wishlist Stormgate on steam - store.steampowered.com/app/2012510/Stormgate/ Stormgate on Kickstarter - www.kickstarter.com/projects/stormgate/stormgate Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 00:27 The basics: gameplay pace, neutral camps, races 02:56 Best highlights from the showmatch 05:04 Side by Side comparison with StarCraft 2 05:17 Microcontrol in Stormgate 06:00 Overall gameplay rating 06:43 Stormgate's drawbacks & viewer experience 07:50 Why it's not always the best idea to compare it to StarCraft 2
My excitement for Stormgate went from cautiously optimistic to psyched, after chatting with some of the Frost Giant team who attended Dreamhack Atlanta. Monk told us directly that he's unhappy with the readability of the game and that they plan to iterate on readability as soon as they can. Then he spent about 30 minutes asking us for feedback on the game. The overall vibe I got from meeting Monk and other team members was that they're all in on taking criticism and using it to make the game better. So to all the people complaining about readability: they hear you!
You should of tell them not to make the same mistake relic did with Dawn of war 3. A MOBA variation in a rts Is not gonna fit well with All the Players that just straight up wants a RTS game. For me this is way to cartoonish, there is to much similarities with games I've already played in the past which is why I personally believe that this will fail as a RTS spin-off of a mashup between warcraft and starcraft. God I miss Chaos (Blizzard North)
@@Involvesrts is already a dying breed. Sc2 being the best of the last and it’s 14 years old. Stormgate doesn’t bring anything new. I don6 believe it will succeed either
I agree with you on visual stuff. I also fully understand that its still in development and could have many changes. But it really is very hard to follow what is going on.
I agree with you guys. The readability is not yet good enough. It is specifically seen when basset gives frames gameplay from StarCraft next to Stormgate. This should be changed. Unfortunately it just becomes boring to watch because of this problem.
I'm sure it's in development to have production views, total troops, income tabs, army and worker totals etc. They really need that to help everyone see what's going on. But they'll get there. I am excited to see the changes they implement ahead.
It's still far from release build. The lighting will make a huge difference and that's one of the last visual things they do. The game isn't even finished bro. SC looked like fucking garbage compared to stormgate in the pre release build. Shit- SC looked dated as fuck until years later. Your opinion is shit
This game looks like a cheap mobile game from China. Horrid. With a budget of tens of millions of dollars and made by hotshot ex-Blizzard devs. How embarrassing. Zerospace will bury this piece of trash without even trying.
lol zero space has some generic looking units and aliens. also I don't think the gameplay will be anywhere near as smooth as stormgate. That being said I'm sure zero space will still be fun why do you need to hate on stormgate just because you like zero space?
I just can't follow what's going on in the fights. The unit dynamics and role don't lend themslves to understanding composition well like in SC2.. Marine tank or gateway unit s + collosus etc is ovious but this is just a mash of units a moving at each other and no clearly differentiated roles. I want to be enthusiastic but I'm not sure!
Well, to be successful, stormgate needs a strong single player campaign, and other fun stuff, because average player not a Korean pro, or even a player in ranked games. And majority of players in w3 or sc2, just played a campaign and custom games, sometimes watching pro events. If this player base does not you main priority, you gonna find little success, in my opinion.
i like the idea of "forced expansion" to make games more dynamic but lets face it - nothing will beat DoW in that matter (and CoH aswell) where how much resource you get, was based on how much agressive you were and open to fight on whole map
I feel they should have taken more risks and bring something new and exciting. Although it looks pretty good I dont feel excited to play it (just my personal opinion, I'm sure it's not the same for everyone)
I have a huge problem with this game for now, and it comes down to lack of identity to call its own. It doesn't grab my attention, it doesn't fascinate me, it doesn't make my imagination go wild. The universe they're creating here feels very uninspired, a hodgepodge of Starcraft and Warcraft, a weird one at that, with no units that I could describe as "cool" or "recognizable to the point they could become iconic". Think of all interesting game worlds in the RTS genre. Command & Conquer with its Tiberium-infested universe, Red Alert, Warcraft, Starcraft, Age of series, Total Annihilation, Homeworld... They were all kind of distinct in their world building aspirations, attempted to do something different. Distinct. I don't know, it's like Frost Giant were too afraid to get out of their Blizzard comfort zone to the point Stormgate feels like an imitation. For now, at least. I wish them all the best, hope the game manages to do some things right, but it doesn't strike me as "the next big thing" unless the campaign manages to pull off something amazing in terms of story or crafting this universe into something fascinating in general.
yeah, I was hyped before, but i came to realization that it looks so much inferior and less action and depth packed then sc2, at least at this point in time I dont have high hopes. Curious to see how it will shape up in future anyway
I expect it will look quite different by release. The devs have said that haven't done a "readability pass" in a long time, since they've been working on other stuff at a breakneck pace. I'm pretty excited to see it in the current state, to better appreciate the improvements when they come.
Storm game suck, zero origininality. Literally Everything Are copied and paste from SC1 SC2, Warcraft III, then repackage the graphic to look like mobile legend or dota 2. Even then the final design is still trash af imo. 90% of the units design are all stolen from the SC2 arcade games, whic has already existed for a very long time. They think since they got some budget and cash, they can just hire some streamers, RUclipsrs/"Pro" players and even host tournaments so that it will hype it up and get people to like it. Very Dlusional.
I think that starting with a campaign could had male a more solid base for unit design and people understand the fight. But I also understand how it is a tight budget.
with direct comparisons being made to sc2 and wc3, it is already lost. People will get it, go hey its not sc2 or wc3, and stop playing. it needs to be new
Imagine if people said that for SC2 or WC3. It's a "Blizzard" RTS what else do you expect? Why would you not want it to be similar to the others? Remember when Dawn of War 2 threw out most of the mechanics of the first game? Was a great game but wasn't same game. If you don't want a Blizzard RTS then play something else.
@@assault410 Starcraft copied Warcraft... even though Starcraft was a new game and IP. Did Spielberg reinvent himself for each movie? Or did the Beatles suddenly start rapping instead of making Rock? It's their style of game.
Just bluntly this game looks like crap compared to SCII or even WC3. It doesn't have that hero pvp uniqueness of WC3, and this looks worse than SCII in almost every way possible. This game just looks like garbage.
The game plays like Starcraft and looks like how I wish Reforged would look. I just hope the game is successful in reviving and building upon TFT's amazing custom map scene, I don't see myself playing the competitive RTS portion of the game.
I get the game looks rough but the gameplay looks solid and the art will be polished later on. Watch Grubby talk about it's mechanics if you don't believe me. Also roll back delayed net code, 64 player count, and 1000s of units are a God send.
Great video and analysis! Honestly, I started feeling a little better about the game after hearing your analysis. I agree that the game introduces some great new mechanics, in particular, I find splitting mechanics of the demons very refreshing and interesting. Its like a much simplified but at the same time much better adapted mechanics from perimeter, where basic units could transform to other higher tier units.
It looks kind-of like alpha version of SC2 when terran buildings and tanks looked like those cheap plastic toys - injection moulded and painted in China.😁
I had the money ready to be spent on the Kickstarter. I want to support a new RTS. But when the Kickstarter came out, I just didn't feel it. I have a full time job and a family, I'm not gonna waste time learning that game, not as it is right now. I do hope they can make it better and more easy on the eyes. I also doubt a bit their lore, it seems just too random. Mech and Zerg like visuals are not easy to conciliate, and right now it just doesn't look it. Still I'm keeping my fingers crossed though 🤞
@@nutrino75sc2 copied sc1 which copied wc2, I don't see you complaining about sc2. What are they suppose to do make Factorio and have each resource build into another resource? This is no different than any other classic RTS like C&C, AOE, Rise of Nations, Empire Earth, Dune, etc.
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Wishlist Stormgate on steam - store.steampowered.com/app/2012510/Stormgate/
Stormgate on Kickstarter - www.kickstarter.com/projects/stormgate/stormgate
Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
00:27 The basics: gameplay pace, neutral camps, races
02:56 Best highlights from the showmatch
05:04 Side by Side comparison with StarCraft 2
05:17 Microcontrol in Stormgate
06:00 Overall gameplay rating
06:43 Stormgate's drawbacks & viewer experience
07:50 Why it's not always the best idea to compare it to StarCraft 2
My excitement for Stormgate went from cautiously optimistic to psyched, after chatting with some of the Frost Giant team who attended Dreamhack Atlanta. Monk told us directly that he's unhappy with the readability of the game and that they plan to iterate on readability as soon as they can. Then he spent about 30 minutes asking us for feedback on the game.
The overall vibe I got from meeting Monk and other team members was that they're all in on taking criticism and using it to make the game better. So to all the people complaining about readability: they hear you!
Thats cool to hear, readability is my only complaint and concern, not getting that right could make the game fail
You should of tell them not to make the same mistake relic did with Dawn of war 3. A MOBA variation in a rts Is not gonna fit well with All the Players that just straight up wants a RTS game.
For me this is way to cartoonish, there is to much similarities with games I've already played in the past which is why I personally believe that this will fail as a RTS spin-off of a mashup between warcraft and starcraft.
God I miss Chaos (Blizzard North)
@@Involvesrts is already a dying breed. Sc2 being the best of the last and it’s 14 years old.
Stormgate doesn’t bring anything new. I don6 believe it will succeed either
i just cant get behind this art style.. its so BLAND....
I agree with you on visual stuff. I also fully understand that its still in development and could have many changes. But it really is very hard to follow what is going on.
I agree with you guys. The readability is not yet good enough. It is specifically seen when basset gives frames gameplay from StarCraft next to Stormgate. This should be changed. Unfortunately it just becomes boring to watch because of this problem.
I'm sure it's in development to have production views, total troops, income tabs, army and worker totals etc. They really need that to help everyone see what's going on. But they'll get there. I am excited to see the changes they implement ahead.
Yep. I have a hard time understanding what's going on in a battle even when I play.
Starcraft 2 came out 13 years ago yet blows this game out of the water visually in art style, graphical fidelity and clarity.
Watch the videos of the early SC2 releases.
It's still far from release build. The lighting will make a huge difference and that's one of the last visual things they do. The game isn't even finished bro. SC looked like fucking garbage compared to stormgate in the pre release build. Shit- SC looked dated as fuck until years later. Your opinion is shit
@@macedindu829this is a live game being played by pros.
At this point in sc2, things were so much better already
@@ka124as You mean when the game wasn't out at all?
This game looks like a cheap mobile game from China. Horrid. With a budget of tens of millions of dollars and made by hotshot ex-Blizzard devs. How embarrassing. Zerospace will bury this piece of trash without even trying.
Nah, not sure about that, basic unit mechanics I'd so much better here
lol zero space has some generic looking units and aliens. also I don't think the gameplay will be anywhere near as smooth as stormgate. That being said I'm sure zero space will still be fun why do you need to hate on stormgate just because you like zero space?
I just can't follow what's going on in the fights. The unit dynamics and role don't lend themslves to understanding composition well like in SC2.. Marine tank or gateway unit s + collosus etc is ovious but this is just a mash of units a moving at each other and no clearly differentiated roles. I want to be enthusiastic but I'm not sure!
It looked better and more clear when I watched on my monitor, on the phone screen it was a total mess.
The showmatch was an embarrasement to watch, especially because it had sc2's quater final before, and an epic sc2 final just after.
Paw patrol: the RTS
Well, to be successful, stormgate needs a strong single player campaign, and other fun stuff, because average player not a Korean pro, or even a player in ranked games. And majority of players in w3 or sc2, just played a campaign and custom games, sometimes watching pro events.
If this player base does not you main priority, you gonna find little success, in my opinion.
i like the idea of "forced expansion" to make games more dynamic
but lets face it - nothing will beat DoW in that matter (and CoH aswell) where how much resource you get, was based on how much agressive you were and open to fight on whole map
What an underwhelming game.
I feel they should have taken more risks and bring something new and exciting. Although it looks pretty good I dont feel excited to play it (just my personal opinion, I'm sure it's not the same for everyone)
The pace looks too slow as a StarCraft player.
It looks to me like sc2 but with ugly art style but at least they listened and game speed is now normal and not very fast they only needed 13y though
I feel like there'll be more changes to the artstyle as well. It looks a bit like Reforged though
I have a huge problem with this game for now, and it comes down to lack of identity to call its own. It doesn't grab my attention, it doesn't fascinate me, it doesn't make my imagination go wild. The universe they're creating here feels very uninspired, a hodgepodge of Starcraft and Warcraft, a weird one at that, with no units that I could describe as "cool" or "recognizable to the point they could become iconic". Think of all interesting game worlds in the RTS genre. Command & Conquer with its Tiberium-infested universe, Red Alert, Warcraft, Starcraft, Age of series, Total Annihilation, Homeworld... They were all kind of distinct in their world building aspirations, attempted to do something different. Distinct.
I don't know, it's like Frost Giant were too afraid to get out of their Blizzard comfort zone to the point Stormgate feels like an imitation. For now, at least. I wish them all the best, hope the game manages to do some things right, but it doesn't strike me as "the next big thing" unless the campaign manages to pull off something amazing in terms of story or crafting this universe into something fascinating in general.
Some one took my vitamins
The unit and structures are so ugly!
Unfortunately, I dont see anyone playing this over sc2
Well it might still get a large audience out of other rts fans
yeah, I was hyped before, but i came to realization that it looks so much inferior and less action and depth packed then sc2, at least at this point in time I dont have high hopes. Curious to see how it will shape up in future anyway
I expect it will look quite different by release. The devs have said that haven't done a "readability pass" in a long time, since they've been working on other stuff at a breakneck pace. I'm pretty excited to see it in the current state, to better appreciate the improvements when they come.
@@Omgtired it's still in development, more units and another race will be added.also have in mind 3vE mode and campaign
Starcraft 2 is 13yo and looks way better than this game that looks like a mobile game
Stop the sweet talks its currently trash
Storm game suck, zero origininality. Literally Everything Are copied and paste from SC1 SC2, Warcraft III, then repackage the graphic to look like mobile legend or dota 2. Even then the final design is still trash af imo. 90% of the units design are all stolen from the SC2 arcade games, whic has already existed for a very long time. They think since they got some budget and cash, they can just hire some streamers, RUclipsrs/"Pro" players and even host tournaments so that it will hype it up and get people to like it. Very Dlusional.
I have zero interest playing multiplayer in RTS games. If the focus is on multiplayer/esports, I won't be buying it.
Theres too little going on in therms of innovations here. Its like, we’ve seen in all before basicly
I think that starting with a campaign could had male a more solid base for unit design and people understand the fight. But I also understand how it is a tight budget.
with direct comparisons being made to sc2 and wc3, it is already lost. People will get it, go hey its not sc2 or wc3, and stop playing. it needs to be new
Imagine if people said that for SC2 or WC3. It's a "Blizzard" RTS what else do you expect? Why would you not want it to be similar to the others? Remember when Dawn of War 2 threw out most of the mechanics of the first game? Was a great game but wasn't same game. If you don't want a Blizzard RTS then play something else.
@@Bagginsess those are direct sequels. This is a new game
@@assault410 Starcraft copied Warcraft... even though Starcraft was a new game and IP. Did Spielberg reinvent himself for each movie? Or did the Beatles suddenly start rapping instead of making Rock? It's their style of game.
@@Bagginsess ask Santa for a brain next year lmao
@@assault410 can't, I'll be too busy playing Stormgate.
Donk know why but it was so uninteresting for me to watch how buildings being build, how resources being collected and so on :(
Just bluntly this game looks like crap compared to SCII or even WC3. It doesn't have that hero pvp uniqueness of WC3, and this looks worse than SCII in almost every way possible. This game just looks like garbage.
graphics look weird
Kinda looks like Warcraft
The game plays like Starcraft and looks like how I wish Reforged would look.
I just hope the game is successful in reviving and building upon TFT's amazing custom map scene, I don't see myself playing the competitive RTS portion of the game.
Bro, it plays more like Warcraft. Not StarCraft
The Little Noob as usual getting rekt in these type of events lol
You have a very beautiful accent, are you from Armenia or from Georgia?
Storm gate looks pretty boring
I get the game looks rough but the gameplay looks solid and the art will be polished later on. Watch Grubby talk about it's mechanics if you don't believe me. Also roll back delayed net code, 64 player count, and 1000s of units are a God send.
Very nice
Agreed with your conclusions. It shows promise and I'm looking forward to what they come out with!
Great video and analysis! Honestly, I started feeling a little better about the game after hearing your analysis. I agree that the game introduces some great new mechanics, in particular, I find splitting mechanics of the demons very refreshing and interesting. Its like a much simplified but at the same time much better adapted mechanics from perimeter, where basic units could transform to other higher tier units.
Stormgate is a total shit
Maybe just needs a bit of lore behind the units too.
Visualy it reminds me some other RTS that came out few years ago. I forgot the the name though.
lol. That’s not a good thing. Already forgot
It looks kind-of like alpha version of SC2 when terran buildings and tanks looked like those cheap plastic toys - injection moulded and painted in China.😁
will there be single player at all?
I had the money ready to be spent on the Kickstarter. I want to support a new RTS. But when the Kickstarter came out, I just didn't feel it. I have a full time job and a family, I'm not gonna waste time learning that game, not as it is right now. I do hope they can make it better and more easy on the eyes. I also doubt a bit their lore, it seems just too random. Mech and Zerg like visuals are not easy to conciliate, and right now it just doesn't look it. Still I'm keeping my fingers crossed though 🤞
Redo the game, make a great lore behind, and make a banging campain
They should make sc2 remastered
Why? It looks amazing even by today's standards
lol. How would you improve it? Don’t play on highest settings?
Why Did tasteless and artosis not cast sc2
Well they were hired for Stormgate, I don't really know
WHY DOES IT COPY SC2 RESOURCE GATHERING... why does it not do its own thing. Stupid. This game will fail.
it doesn't copy, the mechanics differ quite a lot
It would have been nice to see something different. Not something that could just be made in SC2 editor.
This is pretty much a standard resource gathering for the majority of RTS games
@@EsportsStoryteller i guese if the wheels arnt broken, just make a sc clone right?.... where is the innovation.
@@nutrino75sc2 copied sc1 which copied wc2, I don't see you complaining about sc2. What are they suppose to do make Factorio and have each resource build into another resource? This is no different than any other classic RTS like C&C, AOE, Rise of Nations, Empire Earth, Dune, etc.