We continue out series on the history of Carthage! Check out part 1 on the Rise of Carthage if you haven't seen that yet: ruclips.net/video/XCbag4UIvBc/видео.html. Also be sure to pop on by our Patreon page for previews of future episodes: patreon.com/InvictaHistory
@@dsmithum I personally always liked how you could feel, that he truly cared about what he was talking about and how he conveyed his love for and interest in history
@@SasoriZert I don't care about mods, I would like a new game about this, about, the rise of carthage and many other powers at that time, a time older than rise of the republic DLC
@@gastonhitw720 given the track record of CA Im sure they wont do many other time periods that close to an existing title cause that be just a short time before the rome series you'd either have to make it just a map of north africa, sicily, and maybe spain but if ya do that there be only one super power carthage. But who knows CA has done things that people havent expect before so can never tell if they do one or not
@Patrick B yep, many ancient civilizations, from the phoenicians to cannae battle, from nuragic culture to african tribes, if they really do this game someday I would like it to be bigger in scale than roma 2 tw, with many and many cities to conquer in just one region instead of just "Carthage" "Syracuse" etc... like thrones of britannia was
One small detail in this i'm in love with: you painted Carthage RED and Rome BROWN. So often we think of deep Red as "royal" and Brown associated with "otherness". It really makes Carthage feel like a main character, as it should here
Been following since about 100k. I've always loved your content and so pleased you're doing a series of videos on Carthage, my favourite bit of history. Everything about this one feels really smooth and professional so well done and keep it up
Hey Invicta, please bring your voice back. It gave this channel some flair, and it was a good voice for narration too. Now it's like those other history channels. All of these voice actors sound so similar and I miss your voice.
I think, the chartagians problem with wars werent the high losses (at least not alone), rather the lack of interest about them. On early roman history, Rome faced with the same problem, however it fiind a double resolution for that. First, Rome further polished its constitutional system, so the senate became a bit less oligarchic and the new administrators also could control keep in bay the oligarchic rule. Second, Rome started to make settlements from its citizens (I guess, mostly from the poor), so the people get economically interested about the wars. However seems Carthage did not follow this suit, and it lead to this demise. Without further polishing the constitutional structure, the common people werent invested enough into politics to seize some control over it. Nor were invested join to the army, even in the darkest ours of the state. It simple wasnt their busseines to defend it, even when they had to suffer the consequence of its fail. Also, by not giving lands to the common carthigians on the north african hinterland, they also skip the possibility to make interest on army service by the common people. Also skipped the possibility to integrate the libians to their society, so they could avoid the regular wars in there. And theese wars burdened their military capabilities in other fronts, wars. Becouse somewhere “funny” to have a largescale military revolt of approx. 70k men after a major military defeat. Even if only the third of them were actual soldiers in mutiny, that means they earlier had some 20k soldiers in their disposal, which they did not use (at least not effectively) in war... I guess many of them were garrison troops who didnt even see a single roman during in the whole war.
Awesome documentary, but seriously man at 2:19 you could have said "When Tyre began to tire..." You had a golden opportunity to make a lame pun and you blew it!
essentially the big difference is that. the sacred band of thebes were into eating ass before battle. Sacred band of carthage were more concerned with battle.
@@lordaragorn001 the carthaginian sacred band were a core of elite hoplites who crushed the greek hoplites on numerous occasions in the wars of sicily against syracuse thats why the greeks gave them the name "sacred band" because it reminded them of the sacred band of thebes since they also fought to the last man you idiot.
If you're reading this 👇 feel free to answer : those are some questions i wondered based on some of the comments: - some people claim that Carthage was built by Phoenicians who came from the levant aka modern day lebanon . This story doesn't sit right to me i mean the Phoenician were just merchants nothing more they hadn't build an empire in their homeland so how did they sail across the Mediterranean and built an empire. And even if that's true it means it had absolutely nothing to do with the Phoenicians but rather with the geagraphy and the location of tunisia where Carthage 's centre was . So Middle easterns can sto claiming Carthage . And remember Carthage's history was written by romans so you can imagine the falsification - hannibal was Carthaginian so he is not black ! Indigenous north africans are not black they are Mediterraneans so they are olive skinned . Black people today in north Africa are a minority they were brought as slaves some time ago . So black people can too stop claiming him
I have always been awed at the scales of these bronze/iron age conflicts. They almost seem entirely fictional in scope and intensity. Like something you might read about in warhammer and the like with massive fleets of warships and eternal reoccurring conflicts over strategically important locations like Sicily and Spain.
George White I so agree! When learning about these ancient wars and the poetry of them ai have to wonder how much as been embellished by historians due to their epicness!
It’s hard to even comprehend, 100 people together looks like a large amount while wars of this time were often fought with over 50,000 men on the battlefield. Hannibal defeated an army of 80,000 Romans with an army of 50,000, that’s 130,000 men!
Hugh Morris if you’ve ever gone to an nfl game they hold around 80,000 people. Now imagine all them with weapons charging another stadium. It’s insane to think of how feeding that in ancient times for year long campaigns with no refrigeration
Dustin Arnold ayyy all the resources for gear and the training involved is just insane. It would have been spectacular to watch, if of course you desensitise the death!
@Johnny Cage Sounds more like Dunning Krueger, id est, you are a self declared genius while in reality you are incapable of engaging in proper debate due to your own flaws.
The ancient city of Tyre excelled in producing a very fine purple dye extracted from marine snails called Murex. The Carthaginians took over the control of dye production and became extremely wealthy
The Spartans were apparently in the process of founding a colony. While they probably did take precautions given the volatile situation in Lybia at the time,It’s unlikely they had built up significant defences, or that they physically could have built those,defences in time to fend off attack
@Julio Argentino Roca Sparta's military capabilities were always exaggerated. Their success was down to their professionalism and reputation more than anything else. Once they faced equally competent enemies in pitched battle, like the Thebans, the result was a coin flip.
What an awesome documentary carthage is most certainly one of the most overlooked empires in history. Good to learn something new keep up the great work!
@@XIXCentury They are. Throughout my years of learning history in both elementary and high school, we studied Rome extensively from the early years of the monarchy to the fall of both (Western and Eastern) Empires. Carthage in comparison was: they were smashed in three wars and conquered at the end, with the city utterly destroyed. That's it. If you don't look specifically for Carthage or Phoenicia, chances are you'll hear fuck all about it because it's overshadowed by Greece, Rome and Persia.
@@araknas3981 Just because you didn't know about Carthage and just because it's not taught as much as the Romans doesn't mean that they are one of the most overlooked empires in history. What about the Khmer Empire or Songhai Empire? Or even Umayad, Alhmohad, Portugal, Neo-Assyrians... Okay Portugal is pretty well known, but I could go on.
@@elcruzador3795 Never said I didn't know about Carthage, where exactly did you read that? You can bring up empires that are from far away and I ask you how much does the average Western person know about Thailand or Vietnam? How much does the average Western person know about Rome? A tad more. How much does a Japanese person know about present day Poland or Ancient Rome? And how much do they know about the Shogunate? Same goes for the Middle East. There's your answer. Let's not pretend Empires from outside our own cultural circle are overlooked. They are not. They are simply in the interest circle of others and are considered niche here. They are not taught because they had close to no effect on the lives of people in Europe. If they had, they would be more commonly known. Carthage is in the Mediterranean and fought THE most famous ancient empire in the Western World. They should be much better known simply because they collided with Rome. That's why there's so much more interest in Persia, because they fought against the Hellenic cultures.
Rome probably would have bounced back if their allies didn't desert them. If they had to reconquer Italy... That would probably mean the restart of their conflicts with everyone.
@@elang1702 because it is truly fascinating to think about is, what was one of, if not, the largest civilizations in the world at the time just having most of it's history just destroyed. Plus the fact i love most things to do with pre-empire Rome.
@@voicelessglottalfricative6567 Well. In Pyrrhus's case it would be like "Task succeeded with failure" That's where the term pyrrhic victory comes from
@@CDRNY25 Uhh, actually they didn’t call themselves as phoenicians rather they introduced themselves as carthiginians whose capital was Carthage at modern Tunisia. So, your comment is actually inaccurate at this point.
@@নামনেই-ঞ২র Uh, you're stupid? Phoenicians never called themselves anything but Canaani or from the city they resided in or came from. Even in Carthage, they still refered to Tyre/Canaan as their homeland. The Romans called them Carthiginians.
@@নামনেই-ঞ২র No, fool. They used both. Punic literally means the same as Phoenician but Romans at the time had more interaction with the Phoenicians who spent their days in the WEST closer to them while the Greeks had more interaction with the Phoencians of the east then west as they spread out. When a roman say "Punic", it is a general reference to the the Canaanites as whole but when they want to narrow down to a specific people and which city, they had to refer to the Phoenicians of Carthago aka Carthaginians. 🤦♀️
When Carthage loses a single battle against Rome "Last night the crying of the children kept me awake and I had a terrible vision, I saw the fall of our city.. bleached bones under a harsh sun.. Carthage... GONE, why would Bal send such a vision? He's not cruel he has watched over us!"
I would rather have their archives, libraries are filled with ready narratives and biased information. Archives are older and bigger than libraries as well, so we could get source information on everything from population sizes, tax collection, army movement and so much more.
did Claudius not write a history of Carthage including their language? shame that never survived, it also shows that Claudius was a genius not an evil moron as often portrayed.
Most of it is inside the Vatican library , here in Tunisia there's a lot of things still undug and unearthed, thanks to our one corrupt government after the other there's basically no budget for archeological research, I went all over the country and saw with my own eyes a lot of forgotten structures in the middle of nowhere i saw the temple of Tanit being empty of it's treasures and history, dirty, forgotten and almost no one ever heard of it outside of the really small community who actually cares, few years ago a female minister was fired from her position because she asked for a budget to bring scientists for the purpose of archeological digs to find the history hidden underneath the ground on hopes of strengthening tourism.
I am Tunisian (and a Carthaginian descendant). Carthaginian Civilization is our Ultimate pride when it comes to our history. It is however rare (outside of Tunisia) to see things about it, other than the three Punic wars. Your work on this video is, the least to say, VERY good. I cannot wait for future videos. Keep it up
@@CDRNY25 not all North Africans are Berbers, those who speak arabic are either Arabs or descendents of Phoenicians .The Phoenicians were all over North Africa for many centuries and they left their descendents. Their language is similar to arabic , and that's why it was easy for arabic to take hold in North Africa , because one of its version already existed there before islam came in. All true Berbers still speak their berber language. Islam arabized nobody, it didn't arabize even some isolated very small tribes surrounded from everywhere by arabic-speaking people such as the Beni Boussaid, the Beni Mzab ,... The true name of Carthage in phoenician was Kharita Hadisht, meaning the new city, the Latin writers simplified it to Carthage . Hanibal Barca ,his name comes from hani and Ba3l, meaning the servant of Ba3l a deity worshipped long ago in the Middle East , historians interpreted the name Barca as meaning the thunderbolt, and in arabic barq means lightning ... The true origin of the Phoenicians is a part of Yemen and Oman, not your Levant. Some of them settled in Canaan, others were always on the move looking for new places. Even the greek historians Strabo and Herodotus trace their origin to Eastern Arabia. The city of Sousse in Tunisia was founded by the Phoenicians who gave it the name of Hadhramaut ( its old name ), and everybody knows that Hadhramaut was an ancient kingdom in Yemen. Why would they call one of their cities after a Yemenite kingdom if they had nothing to do with Yemen ? You are probably one those minorities in the Levant ( armenians , turkmens,...) , pretending to be related to the Phoenicians ,but in fact have nothing to do with them at all.
Brilliant production. I love ancient Phoenicians and Carthage! The fact that they were an ancient civilization and the colonial structure really picks my curiosity. Phoenicians came all the way from one end of Mediterranean to the other to found colonies and one of them became an empire itself in the end. From minor colonial traders to the rulers of Mediterranean through wars with lots of blood, sweat, and tears. Thank you for this awesome video guys!
As fascinating as this may be imagine all the armchair historians in these comments having to battle for real in the ancient world. That would be a spectacle to behold.
This video was absolutely beautifully well done. One thing I take issue with is the framing that Carthage "used mercenaries". This is a very bad framing. As a city state, Carthage used "allies" from subject neighbors. In the exact same way the Romans did. The idea of mercenaries is a trope forever attached to Carthage by way of infinite repeat. As with Elephants in Hannibal's campaign despite non of them surviving the crossing of the alps.
Had a friend who argued up and down with me over this once, claiming that Hannibal was black. My buddy was a good guy but one of those "we was kings" people that have their own alternative history of how everything of value that the world has ever known was created by black people. My position is, Hannibal was of Phoenician decent, so therefor he would be a Middle Eastern-looking individual. Boy was I was wrong. Apparently Hannibal was actually black. I quickly realized that debating someone with kind of ideology was pointless.
keith connell Afrocentrism is fucking wild man. Every civilization that exists they'll claim to have been black. It's especially weird because there have been tons of civilizations and empires in Africa, which were mostly black. But our history books don't talk about them so Afrocentrists start calling the Etruscans black
@@coolepicperson4150 the ETRUSCANS??? How could anyone possibly think northern italians are black lmao they might as well say the Vikings and irish were black too
I really appreciate the fact Invicta is doing a deeper series on Carthage because it's a State that I haven't really heard much about in the main stream. I'm very aware of the Punic Wars but that's about it. Keep up the GREAT content! I love it.
Great work! I have heard of most of this information before, but only in bits and pieces. You synthesize it all in a helpful way that I have never seen before.
Libyans = amazigh. Because greeks call all amazigh... The libyans. Inside the Libyans (Amazigh) there are many groups : The moors, numidians, massaesyles, gaetulians, the garamantes and many others.
This was an amazing documentary about Carthage, I've enjoyed it a lot. But there's a detail that I think needs to be addressed for future works relating to the Balearic Islands. The Carthaginians only were established in the colony of Ibossim, modern Ibiza. The indigenous populations of Mallorca and Menorca, were the Balearic slingers mercenaries were from, remained independent until roman conquest in 123 b.C Apart from that excellent job!
I love this chanel, but it makes no sense to call it Spain. There was no "spain" at the time. You either call it by the geographical name, Iberia, or you if you want to (you clearly do) call it by a more famous name, Hispania. Not "Spain", not at all
So the ad for Magellan mentions "blood on the altar" by this am I to assume its based on Roman writings so focuses on their claim of mass child sacrifice ? Just wondering as last I heard that was debunked and just Roman propaganda.
Important to note that Doreuis was Elder Brother of Leonidas(300) and Cleombrotus (whom are believed to be twins). If Doreuis stayed in Sparta and served under his half brother Cleomenes who had no heir he would have become king and not Leonidas.
We would love to see more about the history ot Tunisia, it's amazing... the country Tunisia which gave its ancient name , ifriqya, to a whole continent, had Carthage Empire, Hafsides, Zirid, Aghlabid, and the Fatimid. All of them had significant changes on the world we know now
If you go to Punic Port, Carthage Tunsia in google maps you can still make out the port seen at 5:16 Looks a bit pathetic now especially if you go in street view. I assume the land must have been expanded since ancient times
Ironically, the vast employement of mercenaries by the carthaginians had an important role on their defeat on the punic wars against the romans, and centuries later, the same would happen to rome's usage of barbarian mercenaries (although with a more sophisticated deal of citizenship instead of coin), in the context of their downfall. If history teaches us, let's be aware that mercenaries might be useful in the short term, but never try to replace loyal troops with them
It’s interesting to note how different these societies really were. One a navel trading power and the other a infantry agrarian power. One with its army built on gold and the other with it built by force. I think Carthage was ahead of its time in a lot of way because it understood the power of taking only what you can control and is profitable. While the Romans tried to just roll over everything. With higher populations later in time and with better navel technology I think Carthage would’ve been like England opposing the Romans Napoleonic domination of the land. But it always amazed me how populations moved at this time and how whole cities were created and depopulated I’m such short timeframes.
I always enjoy videos about lesser known subjects like this. Honestly I never really put much time into learning about Carthage prior to it’s wars with Rome.
Same! Thats why I am so excited to be doing this series. We will have about a dozen episodes on Carthaginian military and social history before we even start on the First Punic War.
Carthagenians were majority Native Africans,and the ruling class.Watch the video ANCIENT INHABITANTS OF CARTHAGE. Phoenicians were EGyptians.Africans lived in Carthage long before anyone else ventured there.
Great work with sound historical information (to the best of my knowledge), as always. Cool animation style, a different format from many of your other vids. Really good illustrations. The way Carthage reacted to military disasters by switching to mercenaries reminds me of the US. In 2003 there was 1 private contractor per 10 US troops in Iraq. By 07, more contractors than military! See here: ruclips.net/video/6LaSD8oFBZE/видео.html The US did the same in Vietnam with its MACVSOG (classified black ops special forces commandos who only did "sterile" missions into Laos, Cambodia, and N Vietnam); using the local Nungs, Hmongs, and Montagnards as mercenaries (and damn good ones!) to keep the US body count down. This American tendency is also illustrated here by a famous story - In the first major engagement under Westmoreland’s leadership, the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley in November 1965, American forces killed 10 enemy soldiers for every one of their own lost. The hard-fought victory persuaded Westmoreland to adopt a strategy of attrition - if American troops killed enough North Vietnamese and Viet Cong, the enemy would have to sue for peace. Westmoreland explained his plan to an old friend, Senator Fritz Hollings of South Carolina. “Westy,” Hollings explained, “the American people don’t care about the 10, they care about the one.” 5:22 Other than the nub at the top being on the opposite side, that wooden piece on the left looks like an AK magazine lol: images.app.goo.gl/TpfWBadgsVVCg5mi6 If not for the weird nub at the top, the wooden piece on the right looks like an MP5 magzine lol: images.app.goo.gl/z7vrFn13ntfjpR6p6 One of the best parts of matching interchangeable standardized parts is the ability to salvage from scrap and destroyed products. As long as that particular part isn't broken, it can be used to make a new one, or become a spare part for working ones. I'm don't know how much of a "drop in" quality Ancient ship parts had vs "hand fit"; but it's a plus side to that method in general - provided there's not a reason it can't be done that way. The Germans in WW2 sure paid for how they made their tanks; with their manufacture being more akin to hand forging by dwarves in the mines of Moria than Modern factory-made mass-produced interchangeable parts. I have to credit this guy for that joke and idea lol: ruclips.net/video/zinPbUZUHDE/видео.html
Invicta is rapidly becoming the best channel on Punic history. I can't wait to see how you enter in the second punic war in depth, it would be awesome if it is as good as your siege of Jerusalem.
We continue out series on the history of Carthage! Check out part 1 on the Rise of Carthage if you haven't seen that yet: ruclips.net/video/XCbag4UIvBc/видео.html. Also be sure to pop on by our Patreon page for previews of future episodes: patreon.com/InvictaHistory
you can make a video from payment roman? ty and still the nice work...
I liked your voice better, to be honest
Epic voice actor.
When is the Caesar videos comming
@@dsmithum I personally always liked how you could feel, that he truly cared about what he was talking about and how he conveyed his love for and interest in history
There is no better feeling than finding a decent history channel with a lot of content while being quarantined. Keep up the great work! :)
Even better when it's finally something non-Roman.
Amunt Valencia!!!
Idk illegally breaking quarantine and getting away with it feels great it's gotta be close.
You forgot about snacks and sweatpants all day other than those 2 yeah true
Modern day Carthage/Tunis is absolutely gorgeous. I can only image how beautiful it was during the Punic State
yeah. sad to see the only remains of the ancient city is the roman carthage not the original one.
Modern Carthage is the roman version😂
@@wankawanka3053 no there are still Carthaginian ruins around tunis near the legendary port
now I would love a Carthage: Total War
You do know there is a few diffrent punic war mods where you can play this time period
@@SasoriZert I don't care about mods, I would like a new game about this, about, the rise of carthage and many other powers at that time, a time older than rise of the republic DLC
@@gastonhitw720 given the track record of CA Im sure they wont do many other time periods that close to an existing title cause that be just a short time before the rome series you'd either have to make it just a map of north africa, sicily, and maybe spain but if ya do that there be only one super power carthage. But who knows CA has done things that people havent expect before so can never tell if they do one or not
@Patrick B that dlc is pure crap
@Patrick B yep, many ancient civilizations, from the phoenicians to cannae battle, from nuragic culture to african tribes, if they really do this game someday I would like it to be bigger in scale than roma 2 tw, with many and many cities to conquer in just one region instead of just "Carthage" "Syracuse" etc... like thrones of britannia was
One small detail in this i'm in love with: you painted Carthage RED and Rome BROWN. So often we think of deep Red as "royal" and Brown associated with "otherness". It really makes Carthage feel like a main character, as it should here
Been following since about 100k. I've always loved your content and so pleased you're doing a series of videos on Carthage, my favourite bit of history. Everything about this one feels really smooth and professional so well done and keep it up
Absolutely love this series. Keep up the great work!!
Hey Invicta, please bring your voice back. It gave this channel some flair, and it was a good voice for narration too. Now it's like those other history channels.
All of these voice actors sound so similar and I miss your voice.
I think, the chartagians problem with wars werent the high losses (at least not alone), rather the lack of interest about them. On early roman history, Rome faced with the same problem, however it fiind a double resolution for that. First, Rome further polished its constitutional system, so the senate became a bit less oligarchic and the new administrators also could control keep in bay the oligarchic rule. Second, Rome started to make settlements from its citizens (I guess, mostly from the poor), so the people get economically interested about the wars.
However seems Carthage did not follow this suit, and it lead to this demise. Without further polishing the constitutional structure, the common people werent invested enough into politics to seize some control over it. Nor were invested join to the army, even in the darkest ours of the state. It simple wasnt their busseines to defend it, even when they had to suffer the consequence of its fail.
Also, by not giving lands to the common carthigians on the north african hinterland, they also skip the possibility to make interest on army service by the common people. Also skipped the possibility to integrate the libians to their society, so they could avoid the regular wars in there. And theese wars burdened their military capabilities in other fronts, wars. Becouse somewhere “funny” to have a largescale military revolt of approx. 70k men after a major military defeat. Even if only the third of them were actual soldiers in mutiny, that means they earlier had some 20k soldiers in their disposal, which they did not use (at least not effectively) in war... I guess many of them were garrison troops who didnt even see a single roman during in the whole war.
Love the Carthage series, Invicta. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Awesome documentary, but seriously man at 2:19 you could have said "When Tyre began to tire..." You had a golden opportunity to make a lame pun and you blew it!
Estoy flipando con lo genial que es este vídeo ! Salve Invicta !!
I love absolutely everything about this video except for one thing: It ends.
Beautiful documentary guys. I am reeling for more 😀
Man these graphics are just wow
Such interesting journey!! These people had guts! To wage war against Rome with such intent!! Great video btw
What program do you use to make the videos?
EXCELLENT!
Was the carthaginian sacred band related to the sacred band units of thebes, or is the name just a coincidence?
No there is no connection
The Greeks gave the Carthaginian group that name. Nobody knows what the Carthaginians called it.
essentially the big difference is that.
the sacred band of thebes were into eating ass before battle.
Sacred band of carthage were more concerned with battle.
@@lordaragorn001 the carthaginian sacred band were a core of elite hoplites who crushed the greek hoplites on numerous occasions in the wars of sicily against syracuse thats why the greeks gave them the name "sacred band" because it reminded them of the sacred band of thebes since they also fought to the last man you idiot.
@@nisarbo3781 calm down hannibal was black
Anything about George S. Patton is interesting!
Ibn Khaldun to Timur: I am from Carthage
As an ant nerd I feel that there is a missing solenopsis in your name.
Spartan / Carthage war in Africa?
If you're reading this 👇 feel free to answer : those are some questions i wondered based on some of the comments:
- some people claim that Carthage was built by Phoenicians who came from the levant aka modern day lebanon . This story doesn't sit right to me i mean the Phoenician were just merchants nothing more they hadn't build an empire in their homeland so how did they sail across the Mediterranean and built an empire. And even if that's true it means it had absolutely nothing to do with the Phoenicians but rather with the geagraphy and the location of tunisia where Carthage 's centre was . So Middle easterns can sto claiming Carthage . And remember Carthage's history was written by romans so you can imagine the falsification
- hannibal was Carthaginian so he is not black ! Indigenous north africans are not black they are Mediterraneans so they are olive skinned . Black people today in north Africa are a minority they were brought as slaves some time ago . So black people can too stop claiming him
I have always been awed at the scales of these bronze/iron age conflicts. They almost seem entirely fictional in scope and intensity. Like something you might read about in warhammer and the like with massive fleets of warships and eternal reoccurring conflicts over strategically important locations like Sicily and Spain.
George White I so agree! When learning about these ancient wars and the poetry of them ai have to wonder how much as been embellished by historians due to their epicness!
It’s hard to even comprehend, 100 people together looks like a large amount while wars of this time were often fought with over 50,000 men on the battlefield. Hannibal defeated an army of 80,000 Romans with an army of 50,000, that’s 130,000 men!
Hugh Morris if you’ve ever gone to an nfl game they hold around 80,000 people. Now imagine all them with weapons charging another stadium. It’s insane to think of how feeding that in ancient times for year long campaigns with no refrigeration
Dustin Arnold ayyy all the resources for gear and the training involved is just insane. It would have been spectacular to watch, if of course you desensitise the death!
If you think this is big, China used to regularly have battles numbering in the millions of combatants.
Last time I was this early, Rome was just a bunch of weirdos on some hills.
Just two babies hanging out with a wolf
History Dose Man, you’re ancient lol
I wonder what ever came of that by the way.Weird strange folks on that hill they were.
Santi Somchay Legend has it they went on a centuries long stabbing spree
last time i was this early the phoenicians and their jewish cousins were still fighting it out.
‘Boots’ on the ground ??? .... ‘sandals on the ground’!!
And Salt in the ground
They did kind of function more like boots with the ankle wrap and protection.
Bet people wished they had socks.
Ash Ash imagine being either being the slave or payed worker that had to clean those feet and trim the toe nails
Caligulas on the ground
Me after conquering rome carthage and greece as epirus using autosresolve cheats
Annex_Selukid Empire.
Prins van Oranje jij weer
Boo.
Butter Brickle Total War Rome 2
Butter Brickle the battle visuals he uses in his old vids were made using this game
"One can therefore imagine cycles of conquest being guided by the economic interests of the upper class."
"War... War never changes."
@Főfasírozó brah, it's a quote from a video game. Chill out lol.
And yet, its true.....
@Johnny Cage
Sounds more like Dunning Krueger, id est, you are a self declared genius while in reality you are incapable of engaging in proper debate due to your own flaws.
I love how Carthaginian expansion is depicted as purple dye spilling onto the map.
guess that was why Rome had to kill it
The ancient city of Tyre excelled in producing a very fine purple dye extracted from marine snails called Murex. The Carthaginians took over the control of dye production and became extremely wealthy
Love how that large alliance had to form just to oust a small Spartan colony
Real men have that effect.
Back then it took a massive amount of manpower to siege a city, let alone completely destroy one
The Spartans were apparently in the process of founding a colony. While they probably did take precautions given the volatile situation in Lybia at the time,It’s unlikely they had built up significant defences, or that they physically could have built those,defences in time to fend off attack
@@count487 Spartans didn't build city walls so that wouldn't have helped.
@Julio Argentino Roca Sparta's military capabilities were always exaggerated. Their success was down to their professionalism and reputation more than anything else. Once they faced equally competent enemies in pitched battle, like the Thebans, the result was a coin flip.
What an awesome documentary carthage is most certainly one of the most overlooked empires in history. Good to learn something new keep up the great work!
This is partially because the romans put very much effort into destroying historical accounts and remains of Carthage, they wanted them deleted.
carthage? overlooked? sure
@@XIXCentury They are. Throughout my years of learning history in both elementary and high school, we studied Rome extensively from the early years of the monarchy to the fall of both (Western and Eastern) Empires. Carthage in comparison was: they were smashed in three wars and conquered at the end, with the city utterly destroyed. That's it. If you don't look specifically for Carthage or Phoenicia, chances are you'll hear fuck all about it because it's overshadowed by Greece, Rome and Persia.
@@araknas3981 Just because you didn't know about Carthage and just because it's not taught as much as the Romans doesn't mean that they are one of the most overlooked empires in history. What about the Khmer Empire or Songhai Empire? Or even Umayad, Alhmohad, Portugal, Neo-Assyrians... Okay Portugal is pretty well known, but I could go on.
@@elcruzador3795 Never said I didn't know about Carthage, where exactly did you read that?
You can bring up empires that are from far away and I ask you how much does the average Western person know about Thailand or Vietnam? How much does the average Western person know about Rome? A tad more.
How much does a Japanese person know about present day Poland or Ancient Rome? And how much do they know about the Shogunate? Same goes for the Middle East. There's your answer.
Let's not pretend Empires from outside our own cultural circle are overlooked. They are not. They are simply in the interest circle of others and are considered niche here. They are not taught because they had close to no effect on the lives of people in Europe. If they had, they would be more commonly known. Carthage is in the Mediterranean and fought THE most famous ancient empire in the Western World. They should be much better known simply because they collided with Rome. That's why there's so much more interest in Persia, because they fought against the Hellenic cultures.
I’m always impressed by the ever improving quality and design of your videos Invicta.
Man! Carthage was so cool. Hannibal was so close to breaking rome, I wonder how the world would've changed if Carthage won the punic wars
Hannibal wasnt european nor carthageans
Rome probably would have bounced back if their allies didn't desert them. If they had to reconquer Italy... That would probably mean the restart of their conflicts with everyone.
@@lilyoyo77 Lol. Hannibal was from an elite class Carthiginian family which was highly influential conservative faction in Carthaginian senate.
@@নামনেই-ঞ২র yeah im.just saying he wasnt european
@@lilyoyo77 yes, he wasn’t European
God i love Carthage and everything to do with them.
Why though ?
@@elang1702 because it is truly fascinating to think about is, what was one of, if not, the largest civilizations in the world at the time just having most of it's history just destroyed. Plus the fact i love most things to do with pre-empire Rome.
@@systemerror3261 Ah, Fascinating
The scarcity of information about Carthage in popular circulation in itself makes it infinitely fascinating.
I especially love their eventual defeat (a joke)
*I can't get enough of Carthaginian history (which can sometimes be hard to find)... please keep up the good work and keep these videos coming!*
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Like Pyrrhus of Epirus
@@voicelessglottalfricative6567 pyrrhus _was_ epirus tho
@@voicelessglottalfricative6567 Well. In Pyrrhus's case it would be like "Task succeeded with failure" That's where the term pyrrhic victory comes from
@@doraorak Yeah so it would be reversed technically
Great work ! As a proud Tunisian i really love how you handled the subject even tho the ressources on Carthage are pretty scarce.
Yeah, very proud of the Phoenicians who built this city in your country.
@@CDRNY25 Uhh, actually they didn’t call themselves as phoenicians rather they introduced themselves as carthiginians whose capital was Carthage at modern Tunisia. So, your comment is actually inaccurate at this point.
@@নামনেই-ঞ২র Uh, you're stupid? Phoenicians never called themselves anything but Canaani or from the city they resided in or came from. Even in Carthage, they still refered to Tyre/Canaan as their homeland. The Romans called them Carthiginians.
@@CDRNY25 lol, Romans called them punics. Do you study first
@@নামনেই-ঞ২র No, fool. They used both. Punic literally means the same as Phoenician but Romans at the time had more interaction with the Phoenicians who spent their days in the WEST closer to them while the Greeks had more interaction with the Phoencians of the east then west as they spread out. When a roman say "Punic", it is a general reference to the the Canaanites as whole but when they want to narrow down to a specific people and which city, they had to refer to the Phoenicians of Carthago aka Carthaginians. 🤦♀️
God I am loving this production value.
I love the music. Can it be accessed somewhere or was it produced for this documentary?
When Carthage loses a single battle against Rome "Last night the crying of the children kept me awake and I had a terrible vision, I saw the fall of our city.. bleached bones under a harsh sun.. Carthage... GONE, why would Bal send such a vision? He's not cruel he has watched over us!"
Its time to sacrifice more children.
Because Baal is literally the devil. All religious nations that had human Sacrifice were in fact worshiping the devil and his minions.
@@Barthaneous34 So that includes basically every religion? Nice, time to get rid of religion.
I hate Gauls....
@Mwaniki Mwaniki Abraham almost, but it was a test so it doesnt count...
I hope someday they'll find an intact cartagenian library somewhere.
Oh I wish, a source of the people themselves rather than the romans' "edited" version
Hope is all we have at this point.
I would rather have their archives, libraries are filled with ready narratives and biased information. Archives are older and bigger than libraries as well, so we could get source information on everything from population sizes, tax collection, army movement and so much more.
did Claudius not write a history of Carthage including their language? shame that never survived, it also shows that Claudius was a genius not an evil moron as often portrayed.
Most of it is inside the Vatican library , here in Tunisia there's a lot of things still undug and unearthed, thanks to our one corrupt government after the other there's basically no budget for archeological research, I went all over the country and saw with my own eyes a lot of forgotten structures in the middle of nowhere i saw the temple of Tanit being empty of it's treasures and history, dirty, forgotten and almost no one ever heard of it outside of the really small community who actually cares, few years ago a female minister was fired from her position because she asked for a budget to bring scientists for the purpose of archeological digs to find the history hidden underneath the ground on hopes of strengthening tourism.
Rome beating the magnificent Carthage Empire is what turned them into the Great Empire that last as long as it lasted.
And the pillaging of Greece and its massive wealth also
Don't forget conquering Anatolia, Hispania and Gaul, that allowed the Romans to move East into the Levant, Egypt and create the "mare nostrum".
@@LuizAlexPhoenix hispania was part of the carthaginian empire
Not true
Turns out Carthage weren’t blameless victims. They just weren’t as good at warfare as the Romans in the end.
When in history has the Carthaginian empire ever been a blameless victim?
Carthage would mostly rely upon mercenaries, when an army fights for money rather than an 'idea' its mostly shit.
@Western Man Hannibal was an outlier, but let us put stuff into perspective. Hannibal got utterly fucked very hard by Scipio at the battle of Zama.
The Zenata Chronicles the battle of Zama was incredibly close.
None of those shits matches up to the greatness of Alexander the Great and his Greek Macedonians. Rome and Carthage can just sit down.
I am Tunisian (and a Carthaginian descendant). Carthaginian Civilization is our Ultimate pride when it comes to our history. It is however rare (outside of Tunisia) to see things about it, other than the three Punic wars. Your work on this video is, the least to say, VERY good. I cannot wait for future videos.
Keep it up
calm down kaang
Carthaginian descendant? Are you Levantine or Tunisian? Phoenicians were Levantines, not Berbers.
It's Levantine history. You just got lucky we brought civilization to a small part of Tunisia. Nice try.
@@CDRNY25 not all North Africans are Berbers, those who speak arabic are either Arabs or descendents of Phoenicians .The Phoenicians were all over North Africa for many centuries and they left their descendents. Their language is similar to arabic , and that's why it was easy for arabic to take hold in North Africa , because one of its version already existed there before islam came in. All true Berbers still speak their berber language. Islam arabized nobody, it didn't arabize even some isolated very small tribes surrounded from everywhere by arabic-speaking people such as the Beni Boussaid, the Beni Mzab ,... The true name of Carthage in phoenician was Kharita Hadisht, meaning the new city, the Latin writers simplified it to Carthage . Hanibal Barca ,his name comes from hani and Ba3l, meaning the servant of Ba3l a deity worshipped long ago in the Middle East , historians interpreted the name Barca as meaning the thunderbolt, and in arabic barq means lightning ... The true origin of the Phoenicians is a part of Yemen and Oman, not your Levant. Some of them settled in Canaan, others were always on the move looking for new places. Even the greek historians Strabo and Herodotus trace their origin to Eastern Arabia. The city of Sousse in Tunisia was founded by the Phoenicians who gave it the name of Hadhramaut ( its old name ), and everybody knows that Hadhramaut was an ancient kingdom in Yemen. Why would they call one of their cities after a Yemenite kingdom if they had nothing to do with Yemen ? You are probably one those minorities in the Levant ( armenians , turkmens,...) , pretending to be related to the Phoenicians ,but in fact have nothing to do with them at all.
@@benamar.x8990 You're stupid.
Sicily = Afghanistan of the Mediterranean.
Yeah, but Sicily is actually worth it. :D
Yes, Sicily gives us this good Afghanistanimation.
i've never heard it put that way before but that is entirely accurate
I have simple wants. More Carthage content warms my heart
The (production) quality of these videos. Unmatched by any other history channel.
Brilliant production. I love ancient Phoenicians and Carthage! The fact that they were an ancient civilization and the colonial structure really picks my curiosity. Phoenicians came all the way from one end of Mediterranean to the other to found colonies and one of them became an empire itself in the end. From minor colonial traders to the rulers of Mediterranean through wars with lots of blood, sweat, and tears. Thank you for this awesome video guys!
F...The Phoenicians were Egyptians,and ALL ancient African Empires were native black and brown people of their lands.
The adition of a profesional voice over really add something. ^^
Your documentaries are really getting better and better.
As fascinating as this may be imagine all the armchair historians in these comments having to battle for real in the ancient world. That would be a spectacle to behold.
This is one of the reasons I stopped scrolling down and reading the comments. The Idiocy of these Fools has no Bounds..🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
To be honest I would be at the camp playing around with the camp whores. Thats if I had the coin.
The ancient greeks tried, and invented tragedy in the process. (theatrical tragedy, that is).
Keep making carthage stuff please! love the vids
Imagine if the moderate faction actually supported Hannibal in the war. Rome would been sacked.
*would have been
I like the background music in your Carthage documentaries, sounds fitting :)
This video was absolutely beautifully well done. One thing I take issue with is the framing that Carthage "used mercenaries". This is a very bad framing. As a city state, Carthage used "allies" from subject neighbors. In the exact same way the Romans did. The idea of mercenaries is a trope forever attached to Carthage by way of infinite repeat. As with Elephants in Hannibal's campaign despite non of them surviving the crossing of the alps.
Thanks for keeping it historically accurate and not depicting Carthaginians as black people like some other "documentaries" out there.
It's in the same ballpark as showing the Romans speaking English with received pronunciation.
Had a friend who argued up and down with me over this once, claiming that Hannibal was black. My buddy was a good guy but one of those "we was kings" people that have their own alternative history of how everything of value that the world has ever known was created by black people. My position is, Hannibal was of Phoenician decent, so therefor he would be a Middle Eastern-looking individual. Boy was I was wrong. Apparently Hannibal was actually black. I quickly realized that debating someone with kind of ideology was pointless.
keith connell Afrocentrism is fucking wild man. Every civilization that exists they'll claim to have been black. It's especially weird because there have been tons of civilizations and empires in Africa, which were mostly black. But our history books don't talk about them so Afrocentrists start calling the Etruscans black
@@coolepicperson4150 the ETRUSCANS??? How could anyone possibly think northern italians are black lmao they might as well say the Vikings and irish were black too
Oran5 5 www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/d61h3d/liberty_writers_africa_the_first_romans_were/ They call the Etruscans Romans too
Britain to Carthage:- Hmm we should Hangout sometime.
I really appreciate the fact Invicta is doing a deeper series on Carthage because it's a State that I haven't really heard much about in the main stream. I'm very aware of the Punic Wars but that's about it. Keep up the GREAT content! I love it.
At least you didnt try to make out they were Black. That wouldve killed me...
The art and music keeps on improving, damn! And it was already great before... great job guys!
Great work! I have heard of most of this information before, but only in bits and pieces. You synthesize it all in a helpful way that I have never seen before.
Great video and great production values! Though personally, I prefer Spartans with armor - than a 300 style appearance.
It's almost entirely impossible to imagine fighting in the way the people's of this time frame did, laughable and terrifying at the same time
Just imagine being in a modern day stampede, but the people wears armor and wielding spears and swords and are trying to stab you.
Libyans = amazigh. Because greeks call all amazigh... The libyans. Inside the Libyans (Amazigh) there are many groups : The moors, numidians, massaesyles, gaetulians, the garamantes and many others.
This was an amazing documentary about Carthage, I've enjoyed it a lot.
But there's a detail that I think needs to be addressed for future works relating to the Balearic Islands. The Carthaginians only were established in the colony of Ibossim, modern Ibiza. The indigenous populations of Mallorca and Menorca, were the Balearic slingers mercenaries were from, remained independent until roman conquest in 123 b.C
Apart from that excellent job!
I love this chanel, but it makes no sense to call it Spain. There was no "spain" at the time. You either call it by the geographical name, Iberia, or you if you want to (you clearly do) call it by a more famous name, Hispania. Not "Spain", not at all
So the ad for Magellan mentions "blood on the altar" by this am I to assume its based on Roman writings so focuses on their claim of mass child sacrifice ? Just wondering as last I heard that was debunked and just Roman propaganda.
Y'all did a great job. Carthage is one empire I know very little about.
Important to note that Doreuis was Elder Brother of Leonidas(300) and Cleombrotus (whom are believed to be twins). If Doreuis stayed in Sparta and served under his half brother Cleomenes who had no heir he would have become king and not Leonidas.
When are you planning on working on the Sicilian wars? They sound super interesting
We would love to see more about the history ot Tunisia, it's amazing... the country Tunisia which gave its ancient name , ifriqya, to a whole continent, had Carthage Empire, Hafsides, Zirid, Aghlabid, and the Fatimid. All of them had significant changes on the world we know now
Very good job , but we hope that there is arabic traduction
If you go to Punic Port, Carthage Tunsia in google maps you can still make out the port seen at 5:16 Looks a bit pathetic now especially if you go in street view. I assume the land must have been expanded since ancient times
The romans weren't friendly when they destroyed Carthage
Tip: always pay your mercenaries. Especially when they're battle hardened veterans that have been fighting your wars for a decade :p
Do video about Utica, i think it's established 500 years before Carthage (in modern day Tunisia) , by Phoenicians too. But not much talk about it
Key to relate to the present:
Carthage today is “Banking Empire”
Rome today is “Military-Industrial Complex”
Europa de Babylone “Matrix”
Ironically, the vast employement of mercenaries by the carthaginians had an important role on their defeat on the punic wars against the romans, and centuries later, the same would happen to rome's usage of barbarian mercenaries (although with a more sophisticated deal of citizenship instead of coin), in the context of their downfall. If history teaches us, let's be aware that mercenaries might be useful in the short term, but never try to replace loyal troops with them
Really hyped to see the video on the war on Hispania in the Second Punic war! the quality of the video is EXCELLENT! Loved it.
It’s interesting to note how different these societies really were. One a navel trading power and the other a infantry agrarian power. One with its army built on gold and the other with it built by force. I think Carthage was ahead of its time in a lot of way because it understood the power of taking only what you can control and is profitable. While the Romans tried to just roll over everything. With higher populations later in time and with better navel technology I think Carthage would’ve been like England opposing the Romans Napoleonic domination of the land. But it always amazed me how populations moved at this time and how whole cities were created and depopulated I’m such short timeframes.
Wish they had won the Punic wars. The world would have been better.
Not even close
@@wankawanka3053stay mad
when will u make the Evolution of the Roman Legions: Part 2
I love your channel. Nice war history information and video
Excelente vídeo!!! Parabéns!!!!
I always enjoy videos about lesser known subjects like this. Honestly I never really put much time into learning about Carthage prior to it’s wars with Rome.
Same! Thats why I am so excited to be doing this series. We will have about a dozen episodes on Carthaginian military and social history before we even start on the First Punic War.
@@InvictaHistory u really now dont do gaming videos loved those war rome 2 days
@@InvictaHistory jesus fucking christ oakley, a dozen ?????
Sad they paid for mercenaries.
If they were like Rome.
History would be changed.
Great work here.
Really great video, can’t wait for more on Carthage, especially the wars against Syracuse.
Carthagenians were majority Native Africans,and the ruling class.Watch the video ANCIENT INHABITANTS OF CARTHAGE. Phoenicians were EGyptians.Africans lived in Carthage long before anyone else ventured there.
@@matiusbond6052 Phoenician weren't Egyptians
@@matiusbond6052 carthage was creates by the Phoenicians how could africans be living there
So amongst tiberius, quintus and sextus there was a guy called justin? Must‘ve been rough
The style here looks like the COD: WAW mission briefings
Great work with sound historical information (to the best of my knowledge), as always. Cool animation style, a different format from many of your other vids. Really good illustrations. The way Carthage reacted to military disasters by switching to mercenaries reminds me of the US. In 2003 there was 1 private contractor per 10 US troops in Iraq. By 07, more contractors than military!
See here: ruclips.net/video/6LaSD8oFBZE/видео.html
The US did the same in Vietnam with its MACVSOG (classified black ops special forces commandos who only did "sterile" missions into Laos, Cambodia, and N Vietnam); using the local Nungs, Hmongs, and Montagnards as mercenaries (and damn good ones!) to keep the US body count down. This American tendency is also illustrated here by a famous story -
In the first major engagement under Westmoreland’s leadership, the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley in November 1965, American forces killed 10 enemy soldiers for every one of their own lost. The hard-fought victory persuaded Westmoreland to adopt a strategy of attrition - if American troops killed enough North Vietnamese and Viet Cong, the enemy would have to sue for peace. Westmoreland explained his plan to an old friend, Senator Fritz Hollings of South Carolina. “Westy,” Hollings explained, “the American people don’t care about the 10, they care about the one.”
5:22 Other than the nub at the top being on the opposite side, that wooden piece on the left looks like an AK magazine lol: images.app.goo.gl/TpfWBadgsVVCg5mi6
If not for the weird nub at the top, the wooden piece on the right looks like an MP5 magzine lol: images.app.goo.gl/z7vrFn13ntfjpR6p6
One of the best parts of matching interchangeable standardized parts is the ability to salvage from scrap and destroyed products. As long as that particular part isn't broken, it can be used to make a new one, or become a spare part for working ones. I'm don't know how much of a "drop in" quality Ancient ship parts had vs "hand fit"; but it's a plus side to that method in general - provided there's not a reason it can't be done that way. The Germans in WW2 sure paid for how they made their tanks; with their manufacture being more akin to hand forging by dwarves in the mines of Moria than Modern factory-made mass-produced interchangeable parts. I have to credit this guy for that joke and idea lol: ruclips.net/video/zinPbUZUHDE/видео.html
"Them peasky Greeks" always starting wars with us..
Hey when is part 2 of evolution of the Roman Legions coming? it been 4 years now and you said you will most definitely be finishing it
Mauretanians, Numidians, Libyans = Berbers.
Can you do a video on first contact between the romans and the Gauls
Last time I was this early dido hadn’t even landed
last time i was this early this phoenicians and their jewish cousins were still fighting it out.
I have considered Magellan TV but after I realised how woke it is, I deleted the app again.
Yrah ,.they don't want to exclude "some people" from history even if it's TRUE~
Good to know, I was considering it too but now I’ll save my money
@@matthewmatt5285weirdo
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Man this quality of the video is incredible 😍
Invicta is rapidly becoming the best channel on Punic history. I can't wait to see how you enter in the second punic war in depth, it would be awesome if it is as good as your siege of Jerusalem.
This is the series I’ve been waiting for. Thank you for covering this well known but poorly studied civilization. @invicta
I have a question but what clan was Hannibal Barca from
Tommy G okay thanks