generally gray is only used as neutral in 480y/277v and brown/orange/yellow as phases 1,2,3. it varied with really old systems and non-standard services. seeing that, I'd think it was 277v, but I don't know of any residential gear made for that input voltage. maybe that's all they had on the truck or a commercial guy moonlighted as residential installer? lol
Mikey great service call. when I was a service tech i always checked what you checked. unfortunitly all our hvac schools are only teaching the basics and when these kids go into the work force they screw things up worse.
Mikey. Please check the exhaust PVC Pipe and make sure that the tee connection from horizontal to vertical (it looks like 2 or 3 inch) is configured correctly. I believe that it is upside down. Also, that metal box that contained the melted incoming line voltage is a box required by the UL Labs to get a UL Certification for the unit. It is supposed to segregate the line voltage and low voltage lines in the unit.
if spliced right(stranded wire slightly longer/leading the solid) and twisted enough it will outlast everything else. however, they had the wire nuts open end facing up and there was water leaking in. that will rust the wire nut spring, corrode the wiring and have current flowing through the water to the metal around it. always lead the stranded wire slightly, twist until the jacketing starts to twist up a few turns, place the closed end of wire nut vertical up or upward angle on flat horizontal boxes.
Hey Mike. Would be great to hear the audio of you explaining to the homeowner what you found? You’re a good conversationalist - especially with the Latinas Chicas. :-D
I’ve seen the clear condensation covers on these carrier/york/Luxaire/Bryant/Payne/apply brand logo here (I have seen furnaces actually say that, but it’s still ICP) furnaces, I think they’re made for a very short period before they switched back to traditional black.
@@imaginekarma8582 because they all had fracture and splitting failures, especially bad if the unit short cycles from being oversized, low indoor air flow(clogged filters/vent shut/etc.) also a restricted exhaust flue which causes hot running/short cycling will nuke them. the black collector boxes will break also, but not as easily/quickly.
Hey Mikey, that collector box for that furnace has a manufactures defect(recall) and York will replace it for free. i would get the collector box, pressure switches and the door switch and of course the humidistat for that customer.
Mikey. I love you, brother. Take off the bling and put it in a safe place in your service truck while working with line voltage. You wouldn't work on a unit dressed in a Versace suit.
Wait, was that a York furnace with the notorious clear mixing box? Also, in my experience, the bypass humidifier really doesn’t do anything but cause problems, especially when they’re not properly installed.
the wire nut/splice failed because of the humidifier leaking into it. always try to place wire nuts/splices closed end up and not against bottom of boxes on their backs. or against equipment bottoms. it keeps the water out, which helps curb future overheating, fire and short circuits. it's full possible for water to wick up into splices, especially via stranded wire. I have seen it wick vertical three feet before and eat a splice, also from water entering at a pole mounted service entrance riser, it filled the wire internally, went some 200 foot across and 5 foot back up into meter socket. water is sneaky and even the tightest stranded wire will wick and allow water to pass through.
Hi Mike What’s up with the backwards 2” TY on the vending? With I guess a drip leg? What stops CO from existing the drip leg ? Plus what’s up with the 4” vertical pvc directly above 2” exhaust? Looks like a Goldberg installation! Had me confused! Cape cod John
I dont know how but this are German Colour Codes we got brown L1 black L2 grey L3 blue N and Grenn yellow earth PE ....so yeah somebody did mess this up... also if this would be like that this ment that there were 400V Ac on that furnace so yeah...glad nothing more then a littel bit of smoke and burned wires happend there...
Some units sold in the US are wired this way because they need to be Canada Certified to be sold anywhere in North America. The US accepts the Canadian waiting but Canada doesn't accept the US wiring. Apparently the HVAC Technicians in AMERICA are smarter than those in Canada.
I had one of those, and the wick kept growing mold and some kind of weird goo. I took it out and just use tabletop humidifiers now. Much easier to clean and less expensive to fix.
5:15 The wire colors are different because they were stripped out of the BX cable. They are acceptable color wise. The neutral (white) can be gray, and line (black) can be brown per NEC coloring. Typically they will use that in three phase systems, so if its a house some electrician had some three phase BX cable laying around and used it that way you can keep track of single phase circuits running off a three phase system, and you can tell that that "lighting circuit" for example is run off the 1st phase of the three phases. 😁👍
Hey Mike Diack, of Mikey Pipes Plumbing not easy being cheesy. I like your podcast/social media. Come on Mikey , you don't the ass backward santi-tee on power vent system., maybe why all the water. There might be a hole in the heat exchanger, and water is not draining out heat exchanger. Old school humidifier connect is R and W heat only. Love you buddy, you be safe out there.
A good technician is aware of his surroundings, hacks brings stacks
Under NEC the wire colors White or Grey are Neutrals. As crazy as that incoming wiring looked it was to code. Brown was Live & Grey was the Neutral.
generally gray is only used as neutral in 480y/277v and brown/orange/yellow as phases 1,2,3. it varied with really old systems and non-standard services.
seeing that, I'd think it was 277v, but I don't know of any residential gear made for that input voltage. maybe that's all they had on the truck or a commercial guy moonlighted as residential installer? lol
Mikey great service call. when I was a service tech i always checked what you checked. unfortunitly all our hvac schools are only teaching the basics and when these kids go into the work force they screw things up worse.
That furnace looks like it’s seen better days
Sure does
Mikey. Please check the exhaust PVC Pipe and make sure that the tee connection from horizontal to vertical (it looks like 2 or 3 inch) is configured correctly. I believe that it is upside down. Also, that metal box that contained the melted incoming line voltage is a box required by the UL Labs to get a UL Certification for the unit. It is supposed to segregate the line voltage and low voltage lines in the unit.
I appreciate you pointing that out.
@@PipeDoctor 42 volts will kill.
"SHOW MIKEY THE MONEY", thxs for sharing...
Mixing stranded and solid wire in a wingnut does get melty over the years. Good thing that nothing worse happened and you upgraded them to wagos!
if spliced right(stranded wire slightly longer/leading the solid) and twisted enough it will outlast everything else.
however, they had the wire nuts open end facing up and there was water leaking in. that will rust the wire nut spring, corrode the wiring and have current flowing through the water to the metal around it. always lead the stranded wire slightly, twist until the jacketing starts to twist up a few turns, place the closed end of wire nut vertical up or upward angle on flat horizontal boxes.
Hey Mike. Would be great to hear the audio of you explaining to the homeowner what you found? You’re a good conversationalist - especially with the Latinas Chicas. :-D
Hey Mikey
That exhaust venting looks a little messed up ?
It's upside down at the horizontal to vertical tee.
Damn. I've never seen a clear cover to a secondary heat exchanger. Great video.
Yeah, that one was interesting
@@PipeDoctor there is a recall on that collector box.
I’ve seen the clear condensation covers on these carrier/york/Luxaire/Bryant/Payne/apply brand logo here (I have seen furnaces actually say that, but it’s still ICP) furnaces, I think they’re made for a very short period before they switched back to traditional black.
@@imaginekarma8582 because they all had fracture and splitting failures, especially bad if the unit short cycles from being oversized, low indoor air flow(clogged filters/vent shut/etc.) also a restricted exhaust flue which causes hot running/short cycling will nuke them. the black collector boxes will break also, but not as easily/quickly.
Watching these videos makes me want to start a plumbing career. So inspiring!
I think you are already on your way...!!!
Should have also replaced door switch. You Left some $ on the table. And color taped the wires properly.
Thanks for being 24/7! Knowing you’re just a call away gives peace of mind.
Mikey Pipes does it again!
Hey mike cool video and you guys got my Xmas cards and happy holidays to you and your family that's toast the wire was burnt
Thanks and the same to you.
3:32 This is the moment is started, imo, and traveled down to make that magic smoke
probably
The three pounds of gold on your wrist and 110 vts aren't a problem. What could happen ?
Hey Mikey, that collector box for that furnace has a manufactures defect(recall) and York will replace it for free. i would get the collector box, pressure switches and the door switch and of course the humidistat for that customer.
I’ll look into that for future service calls.
@@PipeDoctor come on mike , I can still smell carbon monoxide,carbon dioxide,sulfur dioxide and a streak and cheese sub sandwich too.lol.
That’s one of the best video ever.... take your gold off that’s straight continuity Dangerous.. however you did great
Safety first always, even when you are in a bind!
@@PipeDoctor come on mikey, green to ground the whole world around.
On-time and professional 👌
So much for the furnaces UL listing 😊….. nice work 😊
😊
Hey Mike. So if the humidifier was wired like that with R and C. What woulda been a better way.
R and w or humd stat
Mikey. I love you, brother. Take off the bling and put it in a safe place in your service truck while working with line voltage. You wouldn't work on a unit dressed in a Versace suit.
You're right, it's all about safety and respect for the job.
@@PipeDoctor I'm always right. Just ask my ex-wife or her attorney.
@@PipeDoctor I'm more worried you'll be on a job in Queens and we'll never see you again.
Wait, was that a York furnace with the notorious clear mixing box? Also, in my experience, the bypass humidifier really doesn’t do anything but cause problems, especially when they’re not properly installed.
Yes it was
Quality work every time 💯
Who leaves the venting like that lol
Good job.
Appreciate it
It was on w and c so it would have come on any time there was a call for heat.
very good Mike, you did it again 👍👍
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
With style,
Trustworthy and reliable 💪
I know you turned the water supply to that solenoid off
Internationally brown, black and grey are phase/active, blue is neutral and green and yellow earth/ground.
This is UK & Europe coloring. Mikey is in the USA and white & grey are used as Neutrals here.
Great job Mikey pipes🎉🎉🎉🎉
ty
Someone had some leftover 277v wire left that they didn’t want to waste 🤣.
The door switch location on those Johnson controls furnaces are horrible. I used to put a small chunk of rubber tube underneath to give it some space.
the wire nut/splice failed because of the humidifier leaking into it. always try to place wire nuts/splices closed end up and not against bottom of boxes on their backs. or against equipment bottoms. it keeps the water out, which helps curb future overheating, fire and short circuits. it's full possible for water to wick up into splices, especially via stranded wire.
I have seen it wick vertical three feet before and eat a splice, also from water entering at a pole mounted service entrance riser, it filled the wire internally, went some 200 foot across and 5 foot back up into meter socket. water is sneaky and even the tightest stranded wire will wick and allow water to pass through.
Flu pipe install looked real quality lol
That building on Central Ave ?
24/7? You’re the best!
Hi Mike
What’s up with the backwards 2” TY on the vending? With I guess a drip leg? What stops CO from existing the drip leg ? Plus what’s up with the 4” vertical pvc directly above 2” exhaust? Looks like a Goldberg installation!
Had me confused!
Cape cod John
Very racist to refer to it as a "Goldberg" installation. (just kidding)
@ only older people would realize what I was saying! 👍
@@johnamerican1578 I think I qualify as "older". BTW...My uncle Rube says, "Hello!"
@ am a 1950 vintage model!👀
@@johnamerican1578 I'm a 1959 model....
Be careful my brother, dont want your next video to be from inside the ER because of an electrical incident.
Tyvm
come on mikey, you don't know about an isolated ground circuit.@@PipeDoctor
Show me the money!
You showing me the money with the bling!!
Understand it's Sunday and duty must call!
I dont know how but this are German Colour Codes we got brown L1 black L2 grey L3 blue N and Grenn yellow earth PE ....so yeah somebody did mess this up... also if this would be like that this ment that there were 400V Ac on that furnace so yeah...glad nothing more then a littel bit of smoke and burned wires happend there...
In the UK Brown is line blue is neutral green is ground. Did you move to the UK?
Some units sold in the US are wired this way because they need to be Canada Certified to be sold anywhere in North America. The US accepts the Canadian waiting but Canada doesn't accept the US wiring. Apparently the HVAC Technicians in AMERICA are smarter than those in Canada.
Great video. Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Jon phillips would just fart
That’s a high water bill
0:04 Mike - what are the chances I could convince you to wear a “Shiesty” when you roll up to your appointments
hummm......can I be P Diddy?
I’m not a big fan of humidification in an hvac system. Too many things to go wrong
yeah, like water and electric don't mix;)
I had one of those, and the wick kept growing mold and some kind of weird goo. I took it out and just use tabletop humidifiers now. Much easier to clean and less expensive to fix.
Always outdoor make air, connect to return air
5:15 The wire colors are different because they were stripped out of the BX cable. They are acceptable color wise. The neutral (white) can be gray, and line (black) can be brown per NEC coloring. Typically they will use that in three phase systems, so if its a house some electrician had some three phase BX cable laying around and used it that way you can keep track of single phase circuits running off a three phase system, and you can tell that that "lighting circuit" for example is run off the 1st phase of the three phases. 😁👍
Thanks for clarifying the colors.
@@PipeDoctor come on mikey, 277/480 VAC 60 Hz. come on mikey hacks will bring you stacks$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hey Mike Diack, of Mikey Pipes Plumbing not easy being cheesy. I like your podcast/social media. Come on Mikey , you don't the ass backward santi-tee on power vent system., maybe why all the water. There might be a hole in the heat exchanger, and water is not draining out heat exchanger. Old school humidifier connect is R and W heat only. Love you buddy, you be safe out there.
lol 😆
@@PipeDoctor again 42 volts will kill...
Fix leak
Sell them a humidistat??
They need an entire system. He got their heat restored.
they need a new system
@@PipeDoctor you are right on that one.
Gold is $2600 an once be careful crazy stuff happens when you working with wires
Did??
Mangle the English language
So me the money
sittin down with nice large grey goosey on ice watchin you make stacks because of a hack 🤣🤣 sun dont get better!
i need some sunshine
@ same here the uk is bit effing dull!
Too much Bling.
Oops
1st😂
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