Raymond is the first Red Wing to have 80 points (2024) in a calendar year since Datsyuk in 2009. Seider while not perfect is solid as a rock. He's only 23 years old with time to grow. Axel Sandin Pellikka is tearing it up in the SHL. Edvinsson is still a rookie and looking solid. Not to mention Cossa and Augustine. As someone that watched the Red Wings in the 1980's championship teams aren't built over night. It took Yzerman 14 years of being in the league before he won cup. Yeah Yeah Yeah people were calling Yzerman out in the early 90's and he proved them all wrong. Yzerman is the Red Wings and I'll bleed red and white until the day I die.
There are others not being mentioned that are big hits and diamonds in the rough. Buchelnikov is an absolute sniper and is killing it in the KHL right now. 4g in 4g then an assist in the next. Kiiskinen for team Finland had 6 goals and 1 assist in 6 games. He's got 22 points in 26 games in Finland's pro league. Lombardi, Danielson, Cossa, Augustine, ASP, MBN, Soderblom, Wallinder, Mazur, Kasper, etc...
It's 1 day old and it's already outdated. I can't fathom getting this much wrong. "None of whom are special"? His first big pick was booed "safe pick" haha but was the first rookie of the year in 57 years. His second was runner up and is leading the team as the best offensive player. We came within a tie of not making the playoffs last year. He started with 1 star player and parlayed that into at least 5. We have massive talent next year and the following. The superstar talent we have is prospects and they are coming. The signings are fillers, temp players, and trade bate until the contention window in 2026 arrives. This completely misses the point of delaying temporary gratification to develop players properly.
To be fair. The Wings have gotten better every year under Yzerman. Been some regression this year it seems but I still think they're on the right track. I get why some people are losing faith though. Long rebuilds can be tough.
@@tonyc8752 Five years ago they had 39 points and they've improved every single season. What are you talking about? lol Now they have a new coach and they're on a four game winning streak and four points out of a playoff spot.
Guys like this don't deserve Yzerman. Fair weather fans who don't understand how big a hole we were left in when Yzerman took over. Normal rebuilds take 7-10yrs. This is year 5 for Yzerman. In the next 2yrs we have massive talent coming and this guy will be right there saying he never had a doubt.
Seems like the. biggest mistake so far has been holding on to Blashil and Lalonde for too long. Obvoiusly, that roster would not have won the cup with any coach, but clearly both Blashil and Lal,onde could not implement a working system.I realize that it is very early in the McLellan era, but the fact that he is trying to change the system is encouraging.
Tell Bill Zito that trades and FA’s aren’t as necessary to a rebuild. He built a Cup winner and long term contender almost entirely through trades to teams that had given up on their players and finding gems in the scrap heap of waivers. FL’s pro scouting should get credit too. Sure, they drafted Barkov and Ekblad, but Bennett, Verhagee, Rodrigues, Kulikov, Mikkola Stolarz, and especially Forsling…all either free or for peanuts. Forsling was picked up on waivers! One of the best 2 way Dmen in the league imo. Reinhart and Montour were steals. Lundell was a mid 1st rounder in 2020. Luosterinin was acquired in a trade.
The ‘Yzerplan’ was NOT what was explained to me. Bring in people who can play a 200’ game, that fit the SY profile, and flood the minors with prospects that can fill the positions available. Well, because these ‘prospects’ have not develop fast enough. Thus, the second-class UFA’s that he iverpaid for + a plethora of bad moves to get rid of players, that I can only guess, he didn’t like. That is why we are where we are. Hronek - 7 years of developing, playing well - traded to Vancouver for a #1 draft pick who will take 5 years to develop! Walman ‘given away’ as a #1 D man with Seider - and insult to injury - added a 2nd rounder in Gibson, yet another D man - who will be a big time NHL D man. Ghost and Perron let to drift but keeping Holl, Petry and Fletcher. NONE of this was to be part of the Yzerplan!
What an insulting take on Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider. I'm not sure anything they could ever do would be enough to appease some observers. What they are doing with the lack of a supporting cast is impressive in its own right. The fact that Raymond and Seider are mentioned in the same breath as Datsyuk and Lidström is a testament to their output. It blows my mind how easily their accomplishments are diminished and how many tires are pumped elsewhere in the NHL. They deserve the same level of respect as anyone else in the NHL. Who specifically would YOU have signed instead of the players Yzerman brought in? What would the contract amount and term be? How would you have drawn them into Detroit over the more desirable teams (whether it's better weather, tax breaks, or more competitive teams)? People LOVE to criticize these UFA signings, myself included, but the fact is that nobody wants to come to Detroit unless they're paid above or longer than the other options that were/are available (with the exception of Kane). Detroit isn't a destination team. In fact, Yzerman's term on the deals he signed line up almost perfectly with ELC's expiring. Did he overpay for them? Yes. Will it negatively impact the future of the Wings? No. Does it hurt my wallet? Nope. He made sure if a contract would be too long, he walked away from the player. Yzerman is investing in his prospects over the long term. He found his number 1 defenseman & winger. Cossa & Augustine can battle it out for 1a & 1b in net. They have plenty of help in the pipeline. Maybe by your definition of a star player, the Wings don't have much. In terms of compete, they have one of the best prospect pools around.
Pretty funny this shows up now, as McClellan has the Wings on a rampage. Problem was the coaching. We don’t know whether The Captain had an adequate budget when he hired LaLonde or the owner had him find someone o. the cheap.
@@workshoptelescope They look like the team from the end of last year, and just beat Washington, Columbus and the Jets. The last two on the road. Even in the loss to the Leafs they looked like they wanted to play hockey again, vs looking like hockey zombies with LaLonde.
@@jjcalvillo the team at the end of last season also missed the playoffs after their defensive irresponsibility caught up to them when their outsized shooting % finally came back down to earth. The team being happy is nice. But they’re still not playing cogent, sustainable hockey and will rapidly bump up against their own skill ceiling.
Yzerman really does get far too much of the credit for the Tampa Bay team, to the negligence of Brisebois's work during Stevie's tenure with the team. Scouting reports from the hockey media have recapitulated this impulse when evaluating the prospect pool. Despite the fact none of Yzerman's picks projected to be top 20 players or better at the time of their drafting, every year since has seen the prospect power rankings putting Detroit at the top. Padding an entire franchise with middle talent guys might ultimately see a meaningful outcome but doesn't seem to reflect some market inefficiency Yzerman is exploiting. This isn't a playoff team and I can't bear to see the team standing on the precipice of a second rebuild.
Raymond is the first Red Wing to have 80 points (2024) in a calendar year since Datsyuk in 2009. Seider while not perfect is solid as a rock. He's only 23 years old with time to grow. Axel Sandin Pellikka is tearing it up in the SHL. Edvinsson is still a rookie and looking solid. Not to mention Cossa and Augustine. As someone that watched the Red Wings in the 1980's championship teams aren't built over night. It took Yzerman 14 years of being in the league before he won cup. Yeah Yeah Yeah people were calling Yzerman out in the early 90's and he proved them all wrong. Yzerman is the Red Wings and I'll bleed red and white until the day I die.
There are others not being mentioned that are big hits and diamonds in the rough.
Buchelnikov is an absolute sniper and is killing it in the KHL right now. 4g in 4g then an assist in the next.
Kiiskinen for team Finland had 6 goals and 1 assist in 6 games. He's got 22 points in 26 games in Finland's pro league.
Lombardi, Danielson, Cossa, Augustine, ASP, MBN, Soderblom, Wallinder, Mazur, Kasper, etc...
@@jasonleblanc6271 I agree just didn't want to name the forwards.
Superstars don't grow on trees my guy.
well we just beat the jets, and it's our fourth win in a row, so there is that
Right? I'm hoping that this video will age like a fine milk.
It's 1 day old and it's already outdated. I can't fathom getting this much wrong. "None of whom are special"?
His first big pick was booed "safe pick" haha but was the first rookie of the year in 57 years. His second was runner up and is leading the team as the best offensive player.
We came within a tie of not making the playoffs last year. He started with 1 star player and parlayed that into at least 5.
We have massive talent next year and the following. The superstar talent we have is prospects and they are coming.
The signings are fillers, temp players, and trade bate until the contention window in 2026 arrives.
This completely misses the point of delaying temporary gratification to develop players properly.
To be fair. The Wings have gotten better every year under Yzerman. Been some regression this year it seems but I still think they're on the right track. I get why some people are losing faith though. Long rebuilds can be tough.
lol… it’s been five years and they are as bad as ever
@@tonyc8752 Five years ago they had 39 points and they've improved every single season. What are you talking about? lol Now they have a new coach and they're on a four game winning streak and four points out of a playoff spot.
Guys like this don't deserve Yzerman. Fair weather fans who don't understand how big a hole we were left in when Yzerman took over. Normal rebuilds take 7-10yrs. This is year 5 for Yzerman. In the next 2yrs we have massive talent coming and this guy will be right there saying he never had a doubt.
Seems like the. biggest mistake so far has been holding on to Blashil and Lalonde for too long. Obvoiusly, that roster would not have won the cup with any coach, but clearly both Blashil and Lal,onde could not implement a working system.I realize that it is very early in the McLellan era, but the fact that he is trying to change the system is encouraging.
With the bad lotto odds against the wings, how was he able to get a superstar? He did great for the spots that was given to him.
Raymond could be tht superstar for them
BAD TIMING ^^
Tell Bill Zito that trades and FA’s aren’t as necessary to a rebuild. He built a Cup winner and long term contender almost entirely through trades to teams that had given up on their players and finding gems in the scrap heap of waivers. FL’s pro scouting should get credit too.
Sure, they drafted Barkov and Ekblad, but Bennett, Verhagee, Rodrigues, Kulikov, Mikkola Stolarz, and especially Forsling…all either free or for peanuts. Forsling was picked up on waivers! One of the best 2 way Dmen in the league imo. Reinhart and Montour were steals.
Lundell was a mid 1st rounder in 2020. Luosterinin was acquired in a trade.
The ‘Yzerplan’ was NOT what was explained to me. Bring in people who can play a 200’ game, that fit the SY profile, and flood the minors with prospects that can fill the positions available. Well, because these ‘prospects’ have not develop fast enough. Thus, the second-class UFA’s that he iverpaid for + a plethora of bad moves to get rid of players, that I can only guess, he didn’t like. That is why we are where we are. Hronek - 7 years of developing, playing well - traded to Vancouver for a #1 draft pick who will take 5 years to develop! Walman ‘given away’ as a #1 D man with Seider - and insult to injury - added a 2nd rounder in Gibson, yet another D man - who will be a big time NHL D man. Ghost and Perron let to drift but keeping Holl, Petry and Fletcher. NONE of this was to be part of the Yzerplan!
Not every signing and pick is going to be a hit. There is no rushing development.
Honesly i think his roster construction has been solid. His main issue is he has hired some bad coaches.
What an insulting take on Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider. I'm not sure anything they could ever do would be enough to appease some observers. What they are doing with the lack of a supporting cast is impressive in its own right. The fact that Raymond and Seider are mentioned in the same breath as Datsyuk and Lidström is a testament to their output. It blows my mind how easily their accomplishments are diminished and how many tires are pumped elsewhere in the NHL. They deserve the same level of respect as anyone else in the NHL.
Who specifically would YOU have signed instead of the players Yzerman brought in? What would the contract amount and term be? How would you have drawn them into Detroit over the more desirable teams (whether it's better weather, tax breaks, or more competitive teams)? People LOVE to criticize these UFA signings, myself included, but the fact is that nobody wants to come to Detroit unless they're paid above or longer than the other options that were/are available (with the exception of Kane). Detroit isn't a destination team.
In fact, Yzerman's term on the deals he signed line up almost perfectly with ELC's expiring. Did he overpay for them? Yes. Will it negatively impact the future of the Wings? No. Does it hurt my wallet? Nope. He made sure if a contract would be too long, he walked away from the player.
Yzerman is investing in his prospects over the long term. He found his number 1 defenseman & winger. Cossa & Augustine can battle it out for 1a & 1b in net. They have plenty of help in the pipeline. Maybe by your definition of a star player, the Wings don't have much. In terms of compete, they have one of the best prospect pools around.
He’s got Augustine and Cossa as goalie prospects
Pretty funny this shows up now, as McClellan has the Wings on a rampage. Problem was the coaching. We don’t know whether The Captain had an adequate budget when he hired LaLonde or the owner had him find someone o. the cheap.
"Rampage" is more than a bit strong. The team has won 4 games while playing reasonable .500 hockey.
@@workshoptelescope They look like the team from the end of last year, and just beat Washington, Columbus and the Jets. The last two on the road. Even in the loss to the Leafs they looked like they wanted to play hockey again, vs looking like hockey zombies with LaLonde.
@@jjcalvillo the team at the end of last season also missed the playoffs after their defensive irresponsibility caught up to them when their outsized shooting % finally came back down to earth.
The team being happy is nice. But they’re still not playing cogent, sustainable hockey and will rapidly bump up against their own skill ceiling.
@@workshoptelescope We'll see what happens. Enjoy your empty glass!
@@workshoptelescope 5 wins in a row now.
The yzerplan is on track.
You're supposed to draft in the top 5 for 5 years and hope you attain 5 young core pieces. It's the rule of 5s and cheating that rule is hard.
Yzerman really does get far too much of the credit for the Tampa Bay team, to the negligence of Brisebois's work during Stevie's tenure with the team.
Scouting reports from the hockey media have recapitulated this impulse when evaluating the prospect pool. Despite the fact none of Yzerman's picks projected to be top 20 players or better at the time of their drafting, every year since has seen the prospect power rankings putting Detroit at the top. Padding an entire franchise with middle talent guys might ultimately see a meaningful outcome but doesn't seem to reflect some market inefficiency Yzerman is exploiting. This isn't a playoff team and I can't bear to see the team standing on the precipice of a second rebuild.
Not picking Quinn happened to the Yzerplan
People want to play for other people or in different places.
What happened to coming up with your own ideas
They won their last four.
Not only was this a dumb idea for a video, you picked the worst time to do it too.