World's Quietest Dust Collector!?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- With a 61~72db noise level the Gyro Air G700 makes less noise than the 1100cfm/18.5 s.p. airflow it generates! In a market where high noise levels are the norm the silence is deafening!
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Just like with any high-end machine, Gyro Air Dust Processors aren't for everyone but, for craftsmen who don't settle for less, the world's quietest dust collector is the best! 
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I appreciate your review of this product I run a small one man operation in Tennessee where I'm building furniture. I do a lot of milling myself because I purchased my wood from a sawmill so my lumber is rough I do a lot of black walnut but a hard Maple lot of ash. Recently I milled a black walnut table that was 50 board feet I just did a desk that was 30 board feet of hardmaple I'm curious to know how that's the system is handling This type of work load. How does it handle the smaller items like 6" orbital Sanders and How does it handle the smaller items like 6" orbital Sanders and palm routers.
I appreciate any input you have. My shop is right around 5:00 ft² I only run one machine at a time. I have a 13" plainer from grizzly I have a 8" Joiner from grizzly and I have a Harvey 4 horsepower table saw those in my big items that I'm running off of this
There's a lot of dust collection options out there and all of them have plusses and minuses. I chose the G700 for its footprint, power requirements and low noise, not with a mind for ultimate dust collection capability. That is to say that another machine might have more chip storage volume and easier chip emptying or work better with certain machines, fittings or duct type/configuration but I still went with the G700.
My shop is also about 500sf but it needs to be adaptable to a WIDE range of project types from woodwork to welding to painting so permanent ducting is also not an option.
I can tell you it's done all I ever required of it and I'd buy it again today for my situation.
You mention sanders and palm routers: my Mirka Deros sander has it's own collection built in. I just let chips fly with the palm router and D-handle router. Sometimes I'll dial it down while using my DW735 thickness planer because, if I don't, it can blow the shavings all the way through to the filter because the air stream is just too strong to for those light shavings to spin out. Good news is that it really is amazing how quite the G700 is when dialed down that low.
Check out other reviews and decide if it's a good fit for you... I don't think you'll be disappointed if you do.
Best,
Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Thank you for the information and your thoughts. Maybe it is time to move to the Mira dust solution as well for my sander. I appreciate your time.
@@BayneCustomWoodworking You're most welcome. FWIW I'm not sure why I chose Mirka Deros over a Festool vacuum/sander but I think they're the two major players for them. Maybe I just thought Fusstool is a little bit too proud of their tools and didn't want to break my status as festool free and proud? 😉😂
No complaints about the Mirka though and who knows what 'improvements' have been added in the 10 years or so since I bought mine...
Thanks for the updated review. Good to know your happy with the purchase. Sounds like the one for my next collector...
Whether next or first/only I'm pretty sure the a Gyro Air will be the last! .😉😎 Best, Matt
I have a G700 and love it. It replaced my Jet 1.5 HP dust collector which was loud and leaky. I hated dumping the large bag when full. It weighed a lot and I had to be careful removing it to prevent tearing a hole in the bag.
The filter cleanout on the G700 is ridiculous , considering the otherwise great engineering of this unit. Who wants to crawl around on hands and knees to connect and disconnect two separate ports to a 4" hose with the ports being rather flimsy plastic that might warp out of round over time? The plastic caps that cover the ports are pretty flimsy too and if they stop securely screwing back on, your G700 is useless until repair.
This is what I did:
I used two POWERTEC 70105 4" elbows and pushed them into the ports by heating the ports with a heat gun to allow them to soften and stretch a little. I taped around the connections and then used hose clamps since the elbows would only go in the ports about an inch. From there I used two short pieces of Rockler 4" flex hose to a POWERTEC 70275 3-Way Dust Collection Fitting. I capped the bottom of the Y using the Harvey 4" to 2" reducer that came with the G700. I used a Rockler Dust Right 4" Tool Port on top and capped with a 4" EPDM cap I bought at a big green box store.
The toughest part, after installing a wood spacer to the Y fitting with a 4" spring clip, was feeding a couple of bolts to nuts behind the perforated metal to secure the new cleanout. I have a long needle nose pliers that was just long enough to hold the bolts behind the perforated side to accept the bolts. Taking the G700 apart to access the inside of the perforated side looked like way too much work.
Now, all I have to do is connect one of my 4" hoses from the G700 intake to the one connection on the clean outs with my Rockler connections. No more crawling around on my hands and knees or skipping this process because how inconvenient it is and prematurely needing to take everything apart to fix a broken filter scraper from turning the knobs on badly plugged up filters.
I couldn't find instructions on this mod, so I thought I'd share this easy method that doesn't require cutting anything but flex ducting.
Once worked in a small shop at a university where the duct work was under the floor, ideal for a man with big feet. The best system in the world is still loud for the reasons you state, and I've used everything from a glorified shopvac to systems you park a dump truck under. Thanks for the video it's a subject that is on my mind today as I'm setting up a router process that will create a bit of dust that interferes with the guide bushing so we are using a portable unit made by Fein sometime in the last century, that's also the last time the filter was changed. The power of that unit you have would be nice for a portable that is flexible, unlike 12 inch duct 12 feet in the air.
😥haven't built my shop yet so I just have to wait for sunny days to do my work! Can't wait to need this!
Now you tell me.... I already lost my hearing due to my old dust collection. Lol Great video as always! Keep them coming!
What did you say?😀😎 Best, Matt
Thank you for your videos. Have you considered adding the plan and build description for your cleanout manifold to your merchandise for folks like me who already have a G700?
Thanks Matt. That board stretcher tho. Lol
Nowhere else would I sit through a 12+ minute commercial. Nice job on the clean out manifold. I hope they pay you royalties when they incorporate it in the next generation.
I hope I've not drained my credibility account with you James... I can tell you this sort of video is the most difficult to do but I feel it's worthwhile information for viewers to consider if they're in the market for a dust collector... I'd be VERY disappointed if I'd bought a bigger noisier machine only to learn about the Gyro Air after the fact. Best, Matt
You would have to build a pry bar proportional to your pencil to get me to leave. Enjoyed and learned from every one of the 12+ minutes. Keep up the good work.
@@jamesford8315 Wow... thank you for that! As I said in the video 'I'm forced into uncomfortable territory' in making Next Level Carpentry a viable business and it's reassuring to know you find value here to keep watching as I 'ready, fire, aim' my way through the process. Thanks some more... Best, Matt
Hi Matt nice video. This machine looks great and with your add on it seems that you elevated it to another level. On the same note I additionally would install a shop vacuum size dust port to help clean up the bench or to connect a hose to the router or track saw...
Brain storming here... Oh well too bad I can't afford such marvel.
All the best 😎🤩🤩
Thanks Lino... at some point I'll install a 2-1/2" port like you mention into one of the ducts (l already have the fitting) once I decide where best to put it. I also need to make a 'floor sweep' attachment to help with stuff that inevitable ends up on the floor by day's end. Best, Matt
For your cleanout arrangement: Isn't there positive pressure against the red cap when running? Why doesn't it leak air and dust into the shop? I'm cooking up something similar and am wondering what sort of seal is needed between the white ABS elbows and the dust processor as well as at the cap.
The only thing I can say is that you NEVER solder a stranded cable if it’s going to be under a screw terminal. If it’s under a spring terminal, it’s fine. The reason is that under a screw terminal, the solder will move and cause the terminal to become lose. If there is any current flowing, the termination will become hot and eventually burn off. Being an electrician, I have seen it many times. You’re much better off using bootlace crimps.
It pains me to learn that but thanks for adding it here. I did not know the difference for use in spring type and screw type terminals but your explanation makes sense. My hope is that since the device is gotta be operating in micro amps? (very low current/heat range) that there will never be enough heat to 'move' the solder but will keep your admonition in mind for future wiring work. Best, Matt
Next Level Carpentry Hi Matt. The solder on the cable doesn’t move because it gets hot. It moves under a screw terminal because it’s very soft and doesn’t like being put under pressure. If it is put under screw pressure, the solder will try to move to an area of lower pressure. Ie: away from the screw causing the screw to become lose. In this case, it won’t burn off. The cable may only make intermittent contact causing the remote unit to become unreliable.
If the cable is under a spring, the solder will still try to move away from the applied pressure. The spring keeps a constant pressure on the cable even though there is movement of the solder.
I forgot to mention that this isn’t a fast process. It could take a number of months to show up. With the vibration of the machine, this will speed the process up a bit, depending on the amount of vibration.
Who would have thought that a simple soldered cable would warrant this kind of attention.
Thank you for sharing your video. It looks like an awesome machine.
@@achillies40 Yours is exactly the kind of in-depth reply that helps me learn new stuff from sound information from years of experience, not a knee jerk reaction... thank you. I don't want to pull this video for the misguided action but will pin your comment to the top for benefit of other viewers. Thanks again for sharing insight from your experience! Best, Matt
Holy Guacamole, at first i was put off by your reply, but, i read on. This, along with your explanation makes perfect sense. Thank you. I love that for most, many of the good channels, have thoughtful comments. Thank you for yours.
Stranded copper gets crushed and fans out to provide more contact area under screw terminals. If you solder it the strands can’t fan out and you reduce the contact area which increases resistance and thus heat.
I was trying to listen to your video in my workshop but my dust collection was on and I could not hear you. What was the subject? Hahaha. Hey, that monster would take up most of the square footage in my Small Workshop - my workshop is really small (therefore my moniker and channel name). Congrats on adding such a nice tool to your workshop.
Good one SWG! Gotta prioritize right? Thanks too... I went almost 20 years without dust collection in my last shop for the same reason: no where to put the beast! Best, Matt
The filter system clean out idea is great. Is it 90 degree 4" elbows connected to some kind splitter?
That's what the angles are and the splitter is a custom-made Affair which is a little tricky but not undoable...
got this in my little basement shop
Thank you for the informative video! I bought a G-700 a month ago and really like the clean-out attachment you made. Do you have any build specs or is it as simple as it looks?
I'm also having a hard time finding a "true wye" 4" connector... any referrals?
@@michaelbozarth9017 Talk to Jamie or Kae at Air Handling Systems about your 'true wye' (tell 'em Next Level Carpentry sent you, OK?) ... those guys can make ANYthing. Not at Harbor Fright prices but a great value at whatever price they quote. They custom made the one I show in the Flexible Duct Storage Rack video I did... pretty sweet IMHO.
If you want to email me I'll forward a response about the cleanout that I composed for another viewer who asked about it... I get the idea you're capable of making your own but it might save you a bit of 'reinventing the wheel'... Best, Matt
I didn't know you were on Patreon. Monthly donations will be coming.
I've had Patreon set up for awhile but have been somewhat uncomfortable promoting it. As the realities of building a viable RUclips presence come into focus I realize it's part of the revenue mix which makes me venture out of my comfort zone once again on this journey. Having viewers like you support the effort is most reassuring and I thank you for it! Best, Matt
One of my first jobs as an engineer trainee was to investigate a union complaint that the dust extraction system in the wood working shop didn’t work. The name of the person who filed the complaint was a secret until I went to the shop . It was the manager of the shop. I didn’t make any friends with management when I reported that he was right! A previous old time engineer who had retired purchased the system. The vendor would have provided a design for an additional fee. Our engineer wasn’t willing to pay that. He designed it himself. It was an industrial size setup with a very large central duct down the middle of the shop with branches going to each machine. By my calculations that central duct was so large that the velocity of the air fell below the minimum velocity needed to keep the dust in suspension all the way to the cyclone collector. I borrowed a pitot tube tester from the HVAC shop and verified that. Bernoulli’s law works both ways, you know! The main big duct had dust settling out in it. I don’t know what was eventually done with my report or the dust collection; probably nothing.
That thing is huge!
Compared to what... a shop vac?
I wish they would make a "vertical" version with a smaller footprint.
Muru, the G700 is 24x57" for a 9.5 sf actual footprint. Many regular cyclone ones are 48x48 or 16sf so it actually has a noticeably smaller footprint than other machines in its performance class. Not that it wouldn't be even better if it was say 24x30 and 60" tall with an intake at the top! If the Harvey engineers ever ask ME about design improvements your 'wish' is what I'll be asking for! Best, Matt
While a more vertical layout would have advantages for small shop woodworkers, I think they have significant design constraints. Based on the way the dust particles are separated, you want the primary net flow direction to be perpendicular to the pull of gravity so that when the spun-out particles hit the baffles, they fall into the collection bins. Not sure if this could be adapted to a vertical primary flow.
You should update your link on your web site for this unit as the price from Harvey's website is $2540 and your site is 4245
I would love to hear this puppy purr in real life....
I told you I'd be answering your questions Lukasz... I need to show it in operation in more videos so viewers can see 'real life' purring, right? Best, Matt
Now that you mention it... that does look like a CT vac.
Festool may have to repaint that and mark it waaaaay up:)
Man, how much further can it go up? 4200.00? Wow.
@@befmx31 The question is how much further can it go down? $3,820? Wow! 😀
Can I ask you where you bought the pants wye? I already have a G700 so can not take advantage of your plans w/purchase. Thanks, bob
For sure.... that excellent pant wye is a custom fitting from my friends Jamie and Kae at Air Handling Systems. Those guys can literally make anything you need or Can Dream up. Keep in mind that they're making commercial quality stuff that is priced accordingly so don't compare it to DIY grade that might be less expensive but will also be cheaper. If you end up calling them to have one made please let them know that next level carpentry sent you? Thx!
@@NextLevelCarpentry Thanks!
Hell Matt, comment/ question and suggestion. Excellent job Reference the PVC collection fitting you installed on the filter dust port. Would it be advantageous to hard plum a suction tube to this area. This way the extremely fine dust would be automatically recirculated back into the inlet of the machine. Then all one has to do is just rotate the filter handles. Or install a blast gate then open only when your going to do the filter cleaning process, would either of these ideas cause damage to the unit itself. Would appreciate your feed back. Thank You.
I think the only drawback of your hard-pipe cleanout loop is awkwardness of extra piping, otherwise I think having it all set up to run a cleaning cycle by opening a blast gate would be great. Making hard-piping a bit more cumbersome is the fact it would have to go up and over to prevent blocking the roll-out bin door used frequently to unload chips.
I'm biased but think the wye cleanout arrangement I came up with eliminates about 75% of the trouble cleaning out the filter boots without it and was the motivation to McGuyver the design. It's pretty frustrating to unscrew the stock cleanout caps one at a time and get a hose to connect to the port but, with the wye, I can clean both easily by using a QFD fitting from Air Handling Systems on a length of hose and run a thorough cleanout cycle in about 15 minutes instead of a frustrating hour. If you had extra room in your shop and could hard pipe it though you'd definitely have the best of both worlds.
Best,
Matt
Matt, I am actively pursuing some dust collection solution. Would you say the GyroAir processor is best for an application where only one machine is used at a time? Or will it handle multiple machines?
Hey Andy, unfortunately my experience is limited to this one machine in this one shop and for about 6 months so I lack depth in dust collection recommendations. What I can tell you is that, even using long pieces of flex duct (highly inefficient for air flow over longer distances) with machines that are poorly optimized for dust collection (there's all sorts of gaps and holes in my equipment that should be closed off for more thorough air flow past their blades/cutterheads) there's no problem at all having both tablesaw and jointer or planer hooked up and collecting dust. I'm pretty confident that I could hook up and run all three: tablesaw, jointer and thickness planer and use them but I don't want that third hose laying on the floor so I choose to switch the hose between machines while working. This isn't problematic for my workflow in this shop but realize that's not the case for everyone. I can imagine many situations where what I'm doing would be completely impractical and a rigid/overhead system with every machine hooked up at the same time would be the only practical arrangement. I tend to work in 'phases' like planing phase, sawing phase, jointing phase, bandsaw phase and switch hoses between phases when necessary. If someone were making pieces in more a 'flow' style repeatedly taking one piece all the way through the machine steps a completely different setup would be necessary. Part of what I've learned is that there's a fair bit of science to building a practical, economical and functional dust collection system and the more pre-planning you do the better off you'll be. I recommend going through the gears to decide which machines you have and how/where you use them and then contacting someone like Kae at Air Handling Systems. He can help educate you with all the factors that are involved so you can make decisions and compromises to your system works for you. If it ends up where the intake port location and cfm/static pressure specs of the Gyro Air work for the system you design I'm sure you wouldn't be disappointed in the quiet performance of the machine. A word of caution: dust collectors sell based on cfm/static pressure specs so manufacturers do all they can to get peak performance specs and then 'round up' any chance they get. Based on the cautious way Harvey Industries promotes their specs I believe they're actual, not overly contrived in an unrealistically ideal test facility set up with conditions unachievable in any real-world shop.
Let me know if I can help with any specific questions you come up against and, if I don't know the answer (likely), I'll find someone who does (very likely).
Best, Matt
Thanks for that reply. I do have a list of all my equipment and I know basically how I want it laid out. I will be instilling ductwork overhead and feeding down to the machines using blast gates to control which ones are getting suction. I will contact the fellow at Air Handling Systems. They have an informative website.
Best regards,
Andy
@@andysparks7381 sounds like you've done more homework than most, myself included! I'm curious to what you find out from AHS, mostly if the intake port location near the floor on the G700 (rather than up high like on most cyclones) will be a deal breaker with the extra fittings necessary to get from the port up to your overhead system. Please follow up with info about your system once decisions are made? I and other viewers would benefit from your experience and appreciate it. Best, Matt
What can you tell us about the two bigger machines? This seems interesting but it seems like the bin capacity is too small for a professional custom cabinet shop running table saws, shapers, planers, jointers, and most importantly, a wide belt sander.
The main thing is what I explained about the initial design of these machines William. They're designed for industrial manufacturing where fine dust from operations like grinding, drilling and machining are very fine and difficult to collect. Collecting something like chalk dust, iron grindings or graphite powder is way different from collection wood chips, shavings and dust in terms of quantities. While Gyro Air technology works great for wood chips/dust, the bigger machines would need to be re-designed to deal with high volume, lightweight dust to be appropriate for custom cabinet shops IMHO. Ironically I think they'd be more suited to a wide belt sander than something like a shaper or huge thickness planer. As it is they run on 480v 3-phase power and provide automatic control of suction, etc that are key features for their intended market but far less a priority for woodworking operations. My hope is that in time they'll make a line of processors specifically for the woodworking market where portability is less important than configuration. In a perfect world I'll get to consult on the design and development to bring comments and observations from viewers like you into the discussion. Best, Matt
Next Level Carpentry If that’s the case it sounds like it would work great for a wide belt sander. That dust is dinner than flower. Hard for me to justify the over $4,000 price to collect dust at one machine. I don’t need portability, I need capacity in a small (short) foot print. I like this size, so it may be worth exploring more.
@@williambutler3695 Sounds like you are in a similar position as I was when I moved to a new house/shop. Size and noise level became priority over price and configuration. If I were building a new shop where size was no concern I too would put the collector in a separate room where a different brand and design might be a better fit. I'd hate to loose the compact efficiency of running a conservative 2hp motor on 3-phase power and the G700's low db operating level but a permanent overhead duct system would be a nice compromise. I'm sure you'll continue to research until you can make a confident choice. If you end up at Gyro Air remember that even after the promotional pricing is over at the end of May I offer free shipping with regular pricing. Best, Matt
The idea of putting my dust collector in a room adjacent to my workshop was appealing until I realized what it would do to the temperature in the shop. At 1200CFM it would exchange all of the air in the shop in a little over 3 minutes, removing most of the heated or cooled air. On the Gulf Coast we need air conditioning 8-9 months out of the year. On the few cold(ish) days we have 40°F it feels like 20° in a drier climate. I decided the dust collector would have to stay in the shop. Otherwise the AC or heat would always be playing catch-up.
I'm certainly biased but feel you'd have trouble beating the G700 for effective dust collection in a small-ish shop David. FYI I'll be uploading another companion video within a week giving detailed insight into upgrades/modifications I'm making to my flex-duct system in case you're interested. Any dust collection at all is more trouble than none from dealing with power, pipes, noise etc but I've found mine to be very tolerable considering what it does for me... Best, Matt
That's a monster although smaller than others ... can it be hidden in any way? Perhaps with a table cloth😉
A baby monster then? I imagine that eventually with its low height and shallow depth I'll end up parking it under a bench or shelving near a wall in the shop, something I much prefer over a dedicated 4x4x8' 'box' in the corner of my small-ish shop... Best, Matt
I just ordered one of these, do you know how I can remote start it with my iVac system? I have all automatic blast gates at every tool, currently running a laguna cflux, I'm assuming theres a setting in the vfd that runs the motor?
Contact Harvey Industries... if they don't know the answer they'll find it for you! Enjoy your new toy! Best, Matt
How are you liking the machine? You got more than one tool hooked up and running?
Hello I am getting ready to order the Gyro G700. I would like to use your adaptor for the clean out for the filters. Can you send the plans or do a video on the build? Thank You Ron USCG RET
Sorry, I don't have plans for the wye cleanout and a dedicated build video isn't practical. The best I have to offer is a close up examination/explanation of that cleanout near the end of the video I did showing how to change/clean filters on the G700.
Best,
Matt
Thank you@@NextLevelCarpentry
No you didn't use the "F"word!!! Lol Looks like a great unit, that's for sharing.
Looks like price drop quite a bit to just over $2000. Is there still a way to credit you for sending us their way?
It was worth the higher cost when I got mine and an even better value now, Nicholas. Mention to Hung and/or Ray that you saw it on Next Level Carpentry and I'll work it out with them... thanks for thinkin' of me on this! Best, Matt
What does it mean in the specs exactly when it shows a certain cfm at a certain s.p.? Does it mean that it will achieve that amount of airflow at the listed static pressure and does that mean that highed static pressure number is better?
I'm not an engineer but my understanding is that cfm and static pressure work together to provide meaningful suction for a dust collection system. I assume it's like rpm and torque to determine meaningful power for an internal combustion engine. High cfm without good static pressure means less effective capability to actually move sawdust. I think there's a tendency by manufacturers to brag about cfm to downplay weak static pressure ratings and poorer meaningful performance. I'm pretty sure someone who knows a LOT more about these things will weigh in here and educate both of us. Best, Matt
Thanks for the reply Matt.
For most fans as the pressure drop goes up the air flow (cfm) goes down. Each fan has a curve that specifies this relationship. Likewise if there is little pressure drop the flow will got up. This sounds good but there is a catch 22 in that the power required also goes up. The motor should be sized for wide open flow. I asked for a fan curve before I bought dust collectors in the past to see if the curve dropped off quickly as each impeller design has an impact on curve shape.
@@frickd7355 Thanks for adding that info. I didn't mention the motor or power in this video but the cool thing about it is that it has an inverter (a significant part of the higher relative cost of the machine) that allows use of 220v/20amp single phase power to run the 3-phase motor that drives the impeller with 'high open flow' more economically than other systems. Best, Matt
Hi Matt,do you know if they make these for metal work shops ,like for knife makers?
Absolutely Saint Bigal! FYI Gyro Air technology was developed for applications other than wood dust and was promoted for woodworking after the fact. My G700 works great in my shop but, as I understand it, it works even better for stuff like stone, metal, graphite, etc and I believe it. From a physics standpoint it makes sense that the heavier the particles, the easier they spin out of the air stream. If you're interested I can check out current pricing to see if I can still offer free shipping to the continental US... Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry i'm in canada,I was just wondering if they made them.But thank you and stay safe.
Hey Matt! I was looking at Bent's install and he mentioned yours. I had seen it back in 2019 but was not going to get one so kind of forgot about it. Bent used metal ducting. When I saw yours and at around 7 minutes, saw all the flex piping all over the floor, I was kind of appalled. I am likely a couple of years older than you and would trip over all that ducting. Have you revised it since then? Do you still have ducts running all over the floor. Just curious. You are so meticulous about everything, it just didn't remind me of a Matt Jackson workshop. I am moving next year and will likely have a larger shop and love the quiet of this unit. My current one is in a cabinet. Bill
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@@NextLevelCarpentry l saw that video as well. What struck me was the ducting laying on the ground when in use. I currently have flex laying on the ground that I have to step over and was really looking forward to getting the ducts off the floor. Bill
@@billinfarmington5189 going from flex on the floor to rigid on walls/ceilings and then to machines solves one problem but creates another IMHO. The root of the problem is shop size and use of space requirements but manifests in flex duct on the floor. I count on being agile enough to cope with it but you should be able to build a more typical system with overhead/rigid when you get to a bigger shop. One contrast for me is the last shop I was in for 34 years... it had zero ducts, anywhere! Just let the dust blow into the air and pile on the floor then sweep up afterward... most streamlined, quiet and inexpensive dust collection design imaginable, right?! 😉😁😎 Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Hi Matt! Thanks for the reply. When I was young I used the broom and horse hair brush and even paint brushes. But, it's like most things you don't know you need until you see it. I am looking forward to having a relatively clean floor and not having to step over things. I'm pretty agile as well for an old guy (73) but, at some point in the future I am going to want to walk through the shop without agility being a requirement. ;o) I really would like to have the ducting in the floor frankly. No pipes, minimal ducting even being seen, etc. Take care, Bill
@@billinfarmington5189 I get you... and if you can orchestrate under-floor ducting in that larger, new shop space go for it!! A friend of mine is building out a new shop with exactly that: PVC piping run under the heated concrete floor slab to his main machines and rigid ducts along the wall to bandsaw, chopsaw station, etc. I want pictures of you dancing in that shop with nothing to trip on! Best, Matt
How about The world’s loudest dust collector next?
l'll leave that to someone else, Top Lift... Best, Matt
Shopvac has got to be close or maybe a 747 engine by a hair...
Bolt a seat on the end of the unit, and it could fool some people that it’s a Zamboni.
A Zamboni capable of time travel, right Chuck?! 😂😎 Best, Matt
If I had one of those I wouldn’t have anything for my kids to clean up lol
Too bad it doesn't clean up after kids too, right? 😂😂😎 Unfortunately a machine that does THAT has yet to be invented! Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Ya it's called a MOM.lol
Don't worry about Festool... They don't do any such fine equipment - everything of theirs is meant to be portable. No hosediameter above 2". Felder maybe, but that's a totally different ball game.
Wish he turned the unit on in the video, otherwise it looks cool
Sorry... I could have done a better job producing this video. You can tell at this time stamp what the dust processor sounds like and how quickly it gets drowned out with the noise of just my jointer which is not that loud in itself: ruclips.net/video/vHv-yO-kiTQ/видео.html
The G700 not only looks cool but is amazing for my needs, shop configuration, etc.
Best,
Matt
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No more Shop-Vac?
Never did use a shop vac for woodwork, only a Mirka sanding system, since they don't have near the capacity necessary for the machines and tools I use. Still have a great HEPA model for use on the jobsite although if the G70 were more portable it would sure be nice on some tear-out projects! 😀😂😎 Best, Matt
I am sure everything you had to say is relevant to somebody installing remotes, blast gates and such. When you include "quietest dust collector" I expect a fair portion of the video to would allow the device to speak for itself. I got tired of skipping back and forth looking for a scene in which the dust collector was operating by itself, the closest I came was one where the unit was operating in conjunction with a jointer. If there is such a scene please notify me. In making future videos consider demonstrating the featured ability of a machine at the beginning. After establishing the claim, then offer your observations and advice. Thanks for your work and opinions though.
At that price one could add several high end power tools to their shop. Yikes. One good set of ear plugs is a lot cheaper!
It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it... Best, Matt
What is the cost of these machines
Probably a lot
It's as much a question of value as cost: ruclips.net/video/vHv-yO-kiTQ/видео.html
$2290 direct from Harvey on their website
Can you run the duct work overhead?
Regardless of the type of dust collector used, pipe and hose networks require focused engineering calculations to determine functional adequacy Mark. Each length of pipe, fitting, bend and distance figure into the equation so that there's adequate suction and airflow at each piece of equipment. The more extensive the system, the more figuring and pre-planning required. Since I only run two machines at a time and the runs are short and on the floor my setup is well within performance range. Running ducts overhead with a G700 requires a lot of vertical lift and extra pipe and fittings to connect to the intake port so near the floor. Other cyclone machines have the intake port placed strategically near the top which simplifies the ductwork system. The guys at Air Handling Systems do those calculations all day, every day, and with your shop configuration and performance specs from the G700 would be able to give you a reliable answer for your question. Hope that helps. Best, Matt
Next Level Carpentry, yes it does answer my question. Thank you
Excellent video Matt. I've learned something from each of your Gyro Air 700 videos and your flexible duct video. By the way, the cost when clicking the 'Buy Now' button is shown as $4,245 rather than the promotional price mentioned in the video. I imagine people will be hesitant to use the link due at the non-discounted price.
Thanks for your comment Michael. Glad you're learning along with me on this whole dust collection thing. Due to complications and cost of altering price and text on the website for just a couple week I figure anyone who's serious enough to plunk down $4k for a G700 will just contact me to make arrangements. That way I won't get left holding the bag if I don't get it changed back to normal June 1st... for situations just like this it's frustrating to be as weak on the tech side of things as I am but it's my current reality. Best, Matt
Next Level Carpentry I would like to make a purchase and take advantage of the promotion. How should I proceed?
@@michaeltrull2381 that's awesome!
Start out by going to my next level carpentry. Shop website and send me an email through the contact me link on that site and we'll take it from there. To find the link scroll all the way down to the bottom where it says contact Matt. Thanks!
Best, Matt
@@michaeltrull2381 Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Since I didn't get this video out until mid-month a website update to reflect promotional pricing didn't happen... lot of gears to go through to change it for less than 2 weeks and then change it back. So, if you're (still) interested, I would just send you an invoice direct from the same PayPal Business account you see when you click the Buy It Now button but it would reflect the $3,820.00 promotional price and 1/2 off $150 shipping at $75 for the continental US for a total of $3,895.00US. With my slow process of sharing the promotional price I could extend the offer for a few days into June for you since you inquired well within the offer period. Whatever you decide I want to thank you for your interest in what I think is a great machine!
Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry That will be much appreciated Matt! I sent you an email with my email address (should you need it). I look forward to receiving your invoice.
I keep seeing $4000 bucks for this bad boy. Their website says its going for about $2400 currently. Am I missing something?
That's news even to me but, yes, I'm seeing $2,395.00 plus shipping... a STEAL of a deal if you ask me! COVID stuff has had a dramatic effect on import equipment business and this is evidence of it. I've been a little out of touch with Harvey recently but call them and talk to Hung Nguyen ( and tell him I sent you 😎) who can answer any questions about availability, etc. There's a guy on staff now who's about the best there is for ducting questions too in case that's involved in your decision making process. I love my G700 and still believe, 18 months in, that it's the only and best option for the Next Level Carpentry shop. Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry thanks for the help. I was looking at getting a oneida supercell until I stumbled across this. Think I'm gonna have to buy this. Its perfect for my set up. Seems very quiet and being able to put it under a bench is awesome.
sh0cktim3 did you end up buying the G700? After doing research I feel this is a better unit than the Supercell. More CFMs and much quieter. Curious if you own it.
@@mrt076 late reply, but I did buy it in 2020. $2400 and they gave me free shipping. It's been excellent and very quiet with plenty of suction power. Honestly I would say it's the best thing for my shop I have bought. Air is healthier and so much easier to keep my shop clean now.
Compact size? Maybe if you are comparing it to a full size car.
It's a dust collector Danny not a Shop-Vac. Compare its size to other machines with similar specifications and you don't have to look hard to see that it's a true statement. For comparison a typical Cyclone machine of this capacity would take up a footprint that's 4 ft square and 8 ft tall. Best, Matt
dude, you need to get rid of all that flex. If you put rigid metal in you would probably double your suction.
Rigid definitely has less resistance to airflow than flex but your observation and comment are completely out of context...
@@NextLevelCarpentry How is it out of context? Duct design and construction is an integral part of ANY dust collector setup and just as important as the DC itself. Was this not a video about a dust collection and even showing/talking about your flex duct? You can't comment on the performance of any dust collector when its trying to suck through all that flex. At the end of the day its your shop and lungs. If anything was out of context it was the ramblings at the end of the video about youtube policies and content creator challenges... Good luck to you and your channel.
@@lgbfjbsupporter5566 "Duct design and construction is an integral part of ANY dust collector setup.." EXACTLY! The context you're missing is that you superimpose design/use criteria from some other shop over the Next Level Carpentry shop which, it should be clear, is the context of this video...
Do you want to sell your dust collector?
Sure... I've been thinking about an upgrade but I suspect shipping could be an issue🤔
@@NextLevelCarpentry if you want I could look into the shipping cost
@@mikescott16 In addition to the potential cost there's the protective crating thing to consider. Where are you located?
@@NextLevelCarpentry south Florida
I will pick it up if your not too far away
Ummmm..... Impeccable festool engineering? I'd say their many issues with kapex motors burning out argues against that. Also, look at AvE's tool tear down video where he finds the "dirty little secrets in a $1000 saw." I'm sure I'll get flamed by the festool fan boys but I imagine that you'll never miss not having those in your shop.
Sounds like a poor comparison based on your comment Bob because I've found the G700 an impressive machine. Granted I've not logged 1,000's of hours on it yet but have had zero issues to date. Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry well festool, to me, is like Mercedes. Impressively designed engineering, but unreliable. I just seems festool has some Achilles heels in critical places that one wouldn't expect to find at such a premium price. Your machine comes from a pedigree of industrial applications so I imagine that a focus on reliability is found throughout their products. Your reviews seen to indicate just that. I know I'd like to have one. I happen to like the short height ( I know someone mentioned wanting to see an upright variant). It looks like it could fit under a work table and allow you to make more use out of it's shop footprint.
Lets see, mmm new CNC or another dust collector concept. Sorry for hobby use that is a little overkill
Definitely overkill for 'hobby use' 2 Shoes but in a small but productive and profitable wood work shop for a design/build contracting business it's PERFECT! Juss sayin'... Best, Matt
OK, over $4'000 bucks for a dust collector? That would get you a few nice shop machines, and they will make enough noise so you won't have to worry about how loud your dust collector is. For $1,000 you could build a soundproof closet to keep your dust collector in. This is just crazy. I thought this was about carpentry not demos for very expensive luxuries.
It IS about carpentry Brian... and it's OK if you don't personally see the value in an option like this. From another perspective it's senseless to build a $1000 soundproof closet and then park a $3,000 machine in it especially since, over the lifespan of that less expensive and much less efficient machine you'd spend more than the cost difference on electricity to run it. But hey: if you can get by with a shop vac and a pair of ear plugs don't let me stop ya. Best, Matt
Well, I think somewhere in between is where most of us will end up. But of course I'd put a few other things in a closet if I was going to the trouble. As far as electric use, efficiency is the future - no debate there. But really I just want to see you in action man!
@@brian497 No problem... based on the tone of your reply I'm glad to learn you're a reasonable person! Check out this video if you haven't seen it already: ruclips.net/video/RE_BKm4T5Po/видео.html I've always felt it shows me 'in action' doing some next level carpentry. Ironically it was in my old shop where, even though I could afford the $$ for a dust collector, there wasn't room for even a small one, much less a closet to put one in... a situation many find themselves in... so I hope you appreciate where I'm coming from too? Best, Matt
Hey there Matt just a suggesting Facebook account and Instagram
I'm getting ever closer to setting up Instagram Ivo... it's a forced march but, like it or not, I think it's part of the mix for a viable online presence... stay tuned as I try to keep up with the ever changing world online? Best, Matt
Also if you would set up messenger because some of us have no clue how to use email
How much ? Traditionally it is cheaper to get a new carpenter when the old one dies.
You could put a stack of doors in the space that thing takes up !
I just wonder the value given by you to yourself... what a waste of space. 🤔🙄
As soon as I heard it my mind was made up, I'm for sure getting one.
Uhm, wait a second, 4200.00? Nevermind 😔
Don't give up so easily Dave! Like the newest 5K TV's, pricing on initial rollout is for early adopters but, over time they settle out for the general population. Keep an eye out for special pricing and maybe even a 'flash sale' by Harvey and you might yet find yourself the proud owner of a G700! If/when you get there, tell 'em I sent you, OK?😎
7-01-2020. Its $2290 direct from Harvey on their website.
I assume this was given to you by Harvey, but for the rest of us $4K for a 2HP DC is just nuts, no matter the sound level. Ear plugs cost almost nothing.
2HP just isn't enough power. I guarantee that it's nowhere near 1100 CFM at the tool and not collecting all of the dangerous dust. Just because it filters 99% of the dust it collects, doesn't mean it collects 99% of the dust.
It appears that besides making false assumptions your evaluation of "the rest of us" is faulty too.... Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Apologies for the assumption, but I hope you are getting something from them and before i say anything else, just wanted to say that I love your channel, really good stuff. I have seen this DC around for a while now and I have actually looked into it seriously for my custom furniture business, but, to me, it's just not there. The price point is just way too high to be valuable for a working shop. If it was 5HP I think it would add value, but it's just too underpowered for a full ducted shop. It's great how well it filters and they really pound that in their advertising, but if it isn't powerful enough to collect all of the dust then it doesn't really matter.
@@Just-ot4vy Yours is a similar reaction to the one I have when looking at Festool stuff... just 'not there' IMHO. Where the G700 is concerned I'd offer that it's not lack of power that makes it unsuited for a 'fully ducted shop' but that the overall CFM is lacking. The touted CFM and static pressure speced by Harvey are legit, and probably more so than other companies. That said, a true 1,100 CFM just is not enough for some shops, period. A fact that helped convince me that this machine is the only real choice for my shop is the fact that it does prevent dust from clogging filters so well that it maintains the 1,100 cfm much longer than other models that claim higher cfm. If a competitor starts out at 1,400cfm but quickly drops to 1,100 without near constant filter scrubbing/cleaning I'm time and money ahead with the G700's performance. I don't want to present myself as any kind of authority on dust collection because this is my first experience with one but, for my setup, I couldn't be much more satisfied. Thanks for watching and commenting FTFM... Best, Matt
um ok I just skipped through and still haven't heard the test.. so waste of a video?
No, not really... more like a waste of your time. Why do you bother watching a video like this if you're not even interested enough to learn about this machine?
Wow $4,246.00
No... $3,820... that's price for the upgraded 2019 model is lower than the $4,000 price level of my 2018 model which didn't have remote control or HEPA filters... pretty significant for a machine of this quality. Best, Matt
Next Level Carpentry that’s a great comical dust collection but not in the budget for most hobbyist.
@@woodaddict1 true dat!