Every issue is a left wing failure. They can't see the reality of the climate hoax, wage gap myth, human life and value beginning at conception, stupidity of minimum wage and welfare etc. Every issue is abysmal. The right wing failure is appeasing leftist lunatics, warmongering, bloated government, etc.
Cause conservatives want to go backwards, and we already know what backwards looks like. Leftists want to go forwards. We don't know what forwards looks like. Arguments ensue.
Reminds me of that one post describing a racist space as more inclusive due to the fact that they accepted everyone racist, without consideration of race 😂
sounds like the racist/generally xenophobic party in our government xD the main thing they pushed before the latest election, besides anti-immigration, was "look how happy and included these immigrants (of all races/ethnicities!!) in our commercials are! vote for us if you're an immigrant and you can be this happy too!"
This is very true, I've noticed. The right wing loves having their Uncle Ruckus that they can point to and say "see, we're not racist! We have a black guy on our side! (who happens to hate black people as much as we do."
The worst part is that often these disagreements aren't even on actual policy or things you want to do, but on how you feel, emotionally, about a certain subject. There's a subset of leftists that just can't see themselves side to side with anyone who doesn't feel EXACTLY the same emotions as them when they think of this or that subject, and think that there's something wrong with you if your emotional reactions aren't the exact same as theirs.
It depends on the point of contention. If someone is trying to stop another from things that a person feels like their life is literally contingent on, it’s gonna feel like that person is trying to stop them from the thing that is keeping them alive. It’s hard not to take that personally, especially when the person voting against those safeguards don’t have any skin in that particular game, don’t care or are actively fighting against what this person considers literally necessary.
@@joemiller7082I mean no point in taling it personally regardless its all a ruse nothing anyones "worried" abkut hardly changes they say it does or that it will to distract us from the things that actually matter to everyone like idk the economy thats in shambles rn and were worried about no abortions and chicks with dicks a lot of is got our priorities messed up 😂
I had a convo with a drinking buddy one time that went similar to this Friend: "What do you think about those trans people?" Me: "I'm trans" Friend: "so is Blair White"
Funny thing is I got called homophobic and a bigot by some one who was gender fluid, she abd her friends banned me from a server permanently all because I had an interesting yet very constructive conversation with some ones ehos trans about how medical companies support the LGBT movement only to make money from us. (I'm gay btw)
As a lefty yeah, yeah this can happen sometimes some people are just so stuck up their own asses that they dont realize a little is better than nothing
a lot of people say they’re into politics because they want to seem smarter than they are and the left wing is the political correct party so they can just repeat things they’ve heard on TV lol. They also think Twitter is how political discussion actually works
is just the extemeists, am right leaning an i argue with the crazy mo fo's all the time. Both sides gotta realise that most people arguing online are fringe elements
@@x-LINX-xNah, as a Leftist, infighting is a much bigger problem on the Left, it isn't just with fringe groups, it's pretty much this whole side of the political spectrum. If someone is slightly to the right of you, they're a Fascist (as he jokes in this clip), and if they're slightly to the left they're either a fool or a lunatic, or both. A lot of Leftist ideologies are actually very similar, and only exist because at some point someone had a slight disagreement with someone else. A great way to see this is to simply look at how many Internationales there have been, especially after the 2nd Internationale, and especially how many Trotskyist Internationales there are. Don't get me wrong, there's definitely infighting on the right. Especially between Liberals and Conservatives in many Liberal Democracies, and especially more so in the past couple decades. But they *typically* still come together when faced with something that threatens them, or that they perceive to be a threat
It's what makes me laugh at the conspiracy crazies who think there is some secret Woke left wing agenda. Dude we are not that united to have a secret conspiracy plan the only folks we argue with more than you is each other
I got berated by another democrat for pointing out that republicans deserve fair and just treatment from police officers as well. Apparently wanting everyone to have fair and just treatment was wrong.
I’m hoping the comments on your comment are satire because what you said seems logical and honestly like something every decent person should believe, every person (political leanings aside) should get just and fair treatment. I’m sorry they berated you.
Ladies and Gentlemen! Here it is, step right up to the reason there is a divide in this country. "An Enemy". It is not a debate, a discussion or a discourse it is pure and simple tribal warfare, you think different to me that makes you my enemy. They always talk about how empathetic and kind they are too...shame really. @@ericmcintosh6167
@@ericmcintosh6167 Enemy? If you are referring to your political opposites as enemies you have bigger problems. That's fucking sinister. They are citizens just as much as you are.
I'm curious, what position have you seen taken that got this reaction, and you thought it was unreasonable? Because mostly I see this when someone wants to hate on one part of the LGBTQ and still be considered left. Recently trans people.
@@diamondmx3076 They are still considered left?? Being leftist politically doesn't mean you agree with every leftist view. I'm part of the lgbtq+ community and support everyone in it, but if someone doesn't it doesn't automatically kick them out of the left. That's just not how political beliefs work. If you think views on the lgbtq community is the one and only issue that politics deals with, then you are very ignorant on politics.
@sammco6704 if someone isn't for LGBTQ rights, then it calls anything else left they claim to believe into question. How much of it is politics of convenience or personal gain. You can't really be left if you think some people don't deserve equal rights for who they are. I challenge you to find a person who genuinely believes leftist views and is bigoted against LGBTQ people.
@@sammco6704Nah cuz the left is about intersectionality, fighting oppression in all its forms, if you think some people deserve rights and others don't, then you're not a leftist dude, like by definition
In 2020, I worked in a hospital, ya know, during COVID! I worked with some cops in the hospital and I respected them - in 2020, I had people get so deep inside my head about how I was worse than evil because I didn’t hate those cops I also am the guy who will converse with a bigot and, if they seem kind enough to listen, I’ll try to “plant a seed” to help them learn and grow I have been called an “apologist” and told “you’re just as evil as they are! If they wanna change, make them do it on their own! They can do their research! Do not welcome them into our ranks if they won’t do all the work on their own!” Bruh-
@@15walkingawaycan you give me a historical or contemporary example of extremists seizing power and then purging moderates without purging those opposed to them?
The longer I've been left wing, the more I've realized that a variety of opinions on certain issues is actually healthy for your political diet. If I disagree with someone about how an issue should be handled, regardless of whether they're left-wing or right-wing, we can have a conversation about it, and maybe I'll learn something. The only times I'm NOT interested in hearing someone out is when they're attacking someone's basic human rights.
But what is and isn't a basic human right? Some people will claim everything to be a basic human right. Being willing to discuss where that line falls, and why it falls there, is the foundational discussion.
@@Arbidarb Honestly this perfectly describes my issues with a lot of political discussion as of late. You will be shut down immediately if you try to have an actual conversation of what counts as a right and what counts as a privilege.
Every policy can be reduce to human rights I think. You would disagree on that as well. I am always interested. I will often disagree though, I do not agree with genocide but plenty of people do not even see it as genocide (for example)
I didn't just run into this IRL. I dated the person that I got into a crazy argument with. Left a real bad taste in my mouth about trans people for a little while, but I really cannot hold that one experience against an entire community. They're known to be toxic even to themselves though if they disagree on certain political views. They will drag each other on Twitter or whatever it's called now despite preaching of love and acceptance.
My personal take is that it's like a religion substitute, filling in the vacuum left from the decline of organised religions. Some people need to feel this moral righteousness and absolutism. In other times they would be strictly religious. In these secular times they adhere to social media pseudo-religions.
@@paulw5039 There's part of that which is accurate, the things is even in religious circles being self righteous can be and should be more frequently condemned.
@seanquinn4540 it really is lmao he just missed the part that if someone disagrees then they also tweet about it trying to get them cancelled cause they have nothing better to do with there sad existences apart from going to starbucks and talkin weird
Okay but this is so true it's why we can't get shit done. Imperfection isn't allowed and people are convinced they have to tackle every single of the worlds evils at once. Meanwhile the people who make the biggest difference are the ones who pick one thing to do something about and care about that really really hard, while being willing to work with other people with different areas of expertise.
You're wrong, it's why you get things done. You bully people into submission, and it's very effective. You captured the ruling class and turned them insane. Like, you've basically gotten everything you wanted other than socialist economics (even though concessions are still made in that direction), and the left fringe lunatics will keep pulling politicians ever more socially leftwards. There is no such movement capable of doing the same on the right. Yet. I'm not looking forward to it, because you know, sacrificing your humanity for victory is cringe, and it's not in our nature, unlike the radical fringe weirdos on the opposite team, but... Eh. The establishment right is doing everything they can to try and shut right wing voters out of politics. The main reason why Trump is popular is because he is NOT the establishment right, and because he doesn't hate his voters. I'll never get the leftist wistful admiration for the likes of establishment war pigs like George W. Bush.
This is why I left the left. I just hate the feeling like I'm walking on eggshells all the time. It's 100% unquestioning support all the time for every cause or nothing. That's not productive discourse. That's a cult.
This is so true! I thought it was only the case in Poland but looks like it's a worldwide issue with left wing. I've always considered myself a leftist but these days I'm probably not leftist enough.
Who are you trying to be leftist for? I mean what is “enough” and who is the ruler of this new “ what is enough” category? Don’t try to live your life for other people.
To be honest I'd suggest part of the problem is seeing people as either left or right. I'm a little right of centre (in the UK, which is different from the US) but while I might not agree with everything a moderate left-winger thinks I feel a lot more in common with them than a right wing nutter. Sadly we're being dragged towards extremes, whereas most people would be better served by the centre.
@@Ben-kt5rc and you’re correct with that but when you have people trying to argue that someone like Joe Biden is a far left winger when an actuality, he probably is closer to what you are in the UK, and those same people will not listen to reason or logic, or any kind of solid argument, showing he isn’t what are you left to do? Our other candidate is most likely going to be someone who had a part in January 6 to some degree and the mayhem that was caused and went down, and there are people in the Republican party right now, saying he should not be president again. Those people will vote for him come the general election because he’s got the R next to his name . That’s not seeing people as left or right that’s people showing you they are.
As someone who answers 'yes' to all of those questions, i still receive exactly the same treatment for trying to be civil in discussion and allowing people the same courtesy i extend to people i agree with. I feel like allowing other people to get to me and make me respond reactively instead of intelligently means that they win. If people were more respectful of the rules of debate (both sides), maybe we'd actually get some where. Things really have changed though. Remember the good old days of just disagreeing about Bush and WMDs and invasions? Lol.
I miss the good old days of lefties thinking racism, sexism, etc was bad. Now the growing fringe thinks that it's not only not bad, but that it's a moral duty (so long as it's only directed at a certain group).
@@LycanKai14the lefts actions speak for themselves. Who was the last group to try and end the Civil rights act? Who allows segregation at colleges and graduations?
You gotta understand, this isn't about fairness, this is about seizing power by any means necessary to enact the revolution. You didn't get the memo, comrade.
There's one thing that some lefties / progressives need to understand. There are plenty of people not as progressive as you, but they're making a good faith effort to do the right thing. THAT is the important thing.
And some of those people oppose your views in good faith. The point of democracy is that opposing views can be heard and we can make informed decisions. Well at least we used to...
@@andrewgreeb916 _Some,_ yes but certainly not the majority. American media and political propaganda has utterly removed the brains of ~65% of the population. If you actually think critically, you realize that "Center" in America is "Far Right" in Europe.
@@andrewgreeb916 20 years ago pretty much all news came from news sources with an agenda or the government. Now those news sources still exist (so there's no way for us to be *less* informed, all the previous types of information sources are still here), there is just also easier direct communication between members of political movements who can fact-check for (or lie to) each other, and media finds it much harder to lie about overseas events because we can find footage of those events online for free - this is the internet. That communication has made us realise how faulty the news sources *always* were. Most "new" things in politics are just old things that we weren't aware of on a mass-scale because no one told us before. Now people can't be stopped from telling us. The problem appears bigger because we can actually see it now, not because it wasn't there. The issue is people who pick-and-choose their sources to be the ones that they already agree with. But that is a problem with people, not the information availability which has drastically improved. (ok, to be fair I'm realising now this might be what you meant. Sorry if so). We are more informed than ever. The issue is humans are bad at choosing which information is valuable. Before, you didn't get much of a choice. You had the local and national paper or news channel and that was basically it. Whatever they told you was true, because you had little means of verifying it yourself.
This is actually so true. The right will accept anyone right-wing no matter how flawed the person is while the left are so overly critical they won't hesitate to throw one of their own out. There should be balance. Don't be so overly critical but also don't overlook people's obvious wrongs
As someone who has friends on both sides Am more careful when talking with my left-wing friends because I don't want to upset them since they are my pals When I talk with my right-wing friends there like hey you won't change my mind but I don't want to change yours Another major thing There are rarely the ones bringing up politics Compare this to the left who it always seems as if politics is the only thing on their minds
@@mastermarkus5307I told my dad (who had gotten very conservative in his old age despite being super left wing during the 60s and 70s) about that meme just a few months before he passed. He laughed at first, then asked if that was a joke or a threat. I laughed and said a little bit of both. I think he started drifting right originally because he thought the left would take away his guns, but that meme reminded him of when he was in his 20s and 30s. He actually started to really think critically about the political atmosphere again and about how his leanings affected me, a proud member of the Alphabet Mafia lol. He also started to fact check what his favorite news channel (Faux News) was telling him, and he didn't like what he was seeing. I have no clue what he would be like today or who he would've voted for, but it at least helped us heal our relationship a bit more before he passed. That is my favorite meme now, and anytime someone mentions it, I think about my dad. Thanks for the ticket to memory lane. Just thought I'd share. :)
Ah fuck leftist discourse has always been this way, it’s completely exhausting. Left wing discourse amongst left wingers hasn’t changed since Life of Brian took the piss out of us and the internet has just made it more pronounced and more fractured
Because progressivism pushes towards a "better" future, and there's a lot to discuss on what "better" entails for something that doesn't exist yet. Conservatism and regressionism on the other hand has a very clear idea of what they want in mind: to go back to the old days, as those were the "better" times. It's not complicated, but it is easy to overlook. I'll still say that conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history, but getting the right side sorted out is an undeniable pain.
As far as I can tell most "in fighting" amongst conservatives is about policy differences and which politician seems to adopt them as opposed to how people feel about various issues. More solution oriented perhaps.
Halfway in I realized we weren't talking about rugby. I was imagining being the only guy that doesn't get to throw the ball down to their teammates was why he was so emotional
I wish it was just online. There's a real problem with people not being able to work with one another when trying to do organizing or activism irl too. Causing left wing infighting is easy enough it's a well known disruption tactic used by some governments to torpedo any movements they view as a threat. The US government at least had been particularly fond of that.
@@feistsorcerer2251same concept leads to terrible political candidates too. The primary is a race to the fringes, so you both end up with more extreme candidates in the general election (the most dangerous because they actually believe their BS and will die on that hill) or just moderate ones that are trying to walk back all the crazy stuff they said in the primary to make their platform palatable to moderates. Personally I prefer the moderates who walk back their promises to the hardliners who refuse to compromise and then end up getting basically nothing done for four years.
Honestly, I've given up on the left at this point. Trump 2024. We need Pete Buttigieg out of the Department of Transportation after his response to the East Palestine train crash. We in Ohio downstream of the disaster never forgot how the rivers looked like an oil spill had gone through and we were told to just ignore it and nothing happened.
@@void405 You thought a guy who was mayor of a town with 6 busses would make a good secretary of transportation? Oh, he got the job because he is gay. Classic leftist politics.
@@krabz9390 Sure, I didn't know he did that. But, in my opinion, he only did it to look good for the press, and he doesn't actually care about the people affected by catastrophes. He saw a chance to make Democrats look bad, and he took it. Trump's response to one tragedy does not make him suited for another term in office, especially not when he's being charged with 91 felony charges in four separate states. He's repeatedly revealed himself to be a crook and his businesses have repeatedly filed for bankruptcy, which is concerning when his campaign has previously hinged on his ability to run the US like a business. He rails on illegal immigration, nevermind the fact that undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes every year. Instead of trying to force undocumented immigrants out of the country, he (and every other politician who cares about this issue) should instead be funneling money into American infrastructure so that we can support both undocumented and documented immigrants. Immigration boosts the economy, whether people like it or not. Trump's reasoning is flawed, his character is disturbing, and his ethics are highly questionable at best.
I'd consider myself left wing, I'm a progressive, I think we should all not care how people dress, what people they bang, what gender they identify as, all of that, I think there should be some minimal government intervention in the economy to bolster unions, prevent monopolies, and keep wages up, yet, according to multiple people online, im "a part of the problem," I'm a raging bigot, I'm basically Hitler reincarnated. Why? Because I don't think we should put down or discourage religion. I think people should have every right to follow whichever religion they please, and I think it's wrong to hate every Christian just because some people who call themselves Christians are hateful, aka, I think its wrong to generalize a group consistenting of an unimaginable amount of people. It's crazy to me how damn accurate this skit is, and I never really knew how to put the experience I've had into words until now.
@@tuxtitan780Sure, believe what you want, however stupid your imaginary belief system is xD but also when So much harm has been done in the names of imaginary ideas that have no bearing on the real world, you have to seriously ask whether it's not wise to at Least suppress the congregation of shizo-thinkers so that shit doesn't happen As much! Seriously, I can think of very few groups of people prominent throughout history who caused This much harm to Everything :/
@andrewnewman2589 I'm not religious. But- oppression. That's what you want to enact, oppression, blatant oppression and desecration of a sacred Western value. Don't phrase it as anything else, you are wanting to oppress people and forcibly make them think a certain way.
@@tuxtitan780 yes, I want to show them a better less obedient way of thinking :) you say I want to oppress you, I say that if you thought about it just a bit more you'd know that we actually want the same thing :) and religion is quite detrimental to this realisation!
@@tuxtitan780"according to multiple people online" Look there's the problem. Permanently online people have the most extreme views and politics online isn't really representative of politics offline. I do have some doubts about your economic ideas though, not that I think your goals aren't good, it's just that they can't be achieved by what people would consider minimal government intervention. Unless you're comparing to planned economy, then ig that would be considered minimal.
It's it genetic/ hereditary? If so then no you are not. When it comes to hereditary disease not passing it on is a valid reason for not having children.
I consider myself to be a centrist (although I think politics is all rigged anyway) but he’s got a point. The people who scream, shout, insult and threaten to cancel you for simply disagreeing with them are never right-wing. I find that people on the right either like you or dislike you and it stays that way. But alotta ppl on the left will like you until you disagree with them on literally anything. Most of the least balanced-thinking people I’ve ever met have been left wing.
I wish I lived in the reality you do where right wing extremists aren't the vast majority of domestic terrorists. The only reason you think they're nice is because you aren't in their cross hairs yet.
I say I'm a centrist and leave it at that for the most part. Politics are doomed in the US. There's no getting out of it. It seems like we're headed towards civil war or worse.
Yes! Exactly! Thank you for putting it so eloquently. I can be good friends with someone with radically different views from me as I am a firm believer of respecting people no matter what they believe, but I made the mistake of voicing an opinion at work, and this leftist person made up a lie to tell HR to try to get me fired because they disagreed. It's absolute insanity!
I'm independent (in the middle) and this is so true. Tell a right-wing person: "I'm pro-LGBTQ+" and they go nuts until I say, "But I'm anti-abortion." Then suddenly, it's, "Oh, well, I guess we can't always agree on everything." But tell a left-wing person: "I'm anti-abortion" and they go nuts even after telling them I'm pro-LGBTQ+. Even when I tell them I believe there are exceptions where abortion should be allowed, but that it should be more law monitored, it's just "No, you're against women's rights to their bodies, nuff said!" And nothing else matters. It's ridiculous. I like to say Republicans are the brain and Democrats are the heart. If the heart goes without the brain, we are too emotional to look at aspects of various opinions and why they exist. We need the logic to understand before we judge too harshly. Not everyone who does bad things intends to be bad. If the brain goes without the heart, we ignore emotions and won't see possible other problems that arise. Again, we'll judge people for who they are and how they feel instead of empathizing with them and finding a logical solution to support emotional needs instead of logic of what SEEMS to have historically worked. If people are upset, it's obviously not working. We need to listen to each other and try to understand the other side. Only then can we make the full body function with brain and heart. Emotions and logic both equally matter.
Keep voting for the left and eventually even you will be prosecuted for wrong think. Get control of your party already and take it back from the far left extremists. Do you get it yet? They want anarchy and the total downfall of the west. They HATE YOU even while they smile at you, just waiting for you to make a mistake. It's why I walked the eff away.
A lot of people just don't really have a principle they base their opinions on; they simply grow up as impressionable children within a conforming community and turn out leaning one way or the other without any moral strength. To them, they act the way they act because that's what "being appropriate" looks like. That's why failing any of them is non-negotiable. Think a person who says they don't pee in public but doesn't flush a toilet. You'd think that the first fact doesn't really make up for the second either.
i do think leftists should be more lenient about differing beliefs among the left, though you seem to be making conservatives seem a lot more reasonable than they actually are.
I'm definitely more conservative-libertarian when it comes to topics like gender, economy, the military, and firearms. Do you know what I do when I meet a trans person? I ignore them. To people too prone to crying some kind of ism that might be seen as a problem, but how many strangers do you really take the time to focus on in your life? I'm not going to harass someone just because I think they might personally have a mental illness, I'm going to mind my own business like a responsible and dignified human being who understands that other people are not always going to agree with me on everything. And when I do make friends with someone who's transgender, do you know what we do? We problem solve and make the necessary amenities to make sure everyone turns out comfortable, me included. The art of being mature about disagreements is a dead concept unfortunately, and I wish more people, left leaning individuals especially, could at least try to revive it.
So many progressives in the comments proving his point about purity tests and the visceral hatered of anyone that doesnt just yes sir everything they say. No space to talk about differences without being called a facist and starting a screaming fit. Even if you agree with 99% of what they say, that sliver of disagreement is unacceptable
I'm left, and what you describe has literally never happened to me. Lmao Nice try though. Purity tests are only done to social media personalities, and has nothing to do with purity politics, and only to do with cancel culture: cancelling people on twitter to feel a surge of power in an otherwise powerless existence that people have. Its pathetic, but has nothing to do with the left wing. The right wing does the same. They prefer left wing targets, but they still target their own
Human rights is not negotiable. I don't even understand why this is considered political or progressive. It's so basic you can't back down so here we are.
Two instances where this happened that will stick with me for a bit. 1. I got called racist and ableist for correcting bigots' horrible grammar online because apparently, it's a microaggression against dyslexic people and POC who didn't have access to a good education. I'M BULLYING THE BULLIES. The same bigot whose grammar I corrected said the person dragging me was a freak of nature for being nonbinary just before this happened. Ya can't win. 2. I got accused of misgendering and called disgusting by this vegan girl for saying "dude" to a female friend of mine. My friends and I had to explain to her, for 15 MINUTES, that "dude" was just slang, and she gave up, called us fake activists, and left. Long story short, as much as I love emphasizing the importance of giving a shit about our fellow humans, it's exhausting sometimes.
I was called ableist in a far-left group for saying "imo Trump is an idiot", because apparently "idiot" could be offensive for people with learning challenges... And then shamed publically on Twitter, even sharing personal information without consent, instead of explaining what exactly I did "wrong" or offensive. Fun times I guess.
You know what really got me, that chris-chan guy. I experienced the damn meme where I was corrected because I said he. I explained I don't care what Chris claims to be, as it was obvious that he was trying to abuse a group by pseudo associating with it to get laid.
I’m conservative but since I’m in the artist community (which is pretty much entirely left wing), I was surrounded by this culture and also partook in it. Destroyed my already fragile mental health. Our bodies are imperfect with imperfect minds, and we need to take care of them. It is not virtuous to hate yourself, because that’s simply a different form of self obsession. (Trust me I know it’s not fun to hear). We can’t help other people when we’re already drowning. Be gentle to yourself. If everyone else deserves kindness, then you absolutely do too!
@@ElliottWong2024 Well, to put it simply, I just started questioning things that sounded weird as hell 2015/2016 and they didn’t like it at all. I realized how cult like the left was turning into and I just couldn’t pretend that I didn’t see what was going on so I left. I've been called names a ton since but I wear them all like they're my badges of honor. 😂 As of 2024, I think I'm a more right wing leaning liberal but I don’t agree with conservatives on everything either. But I do also believe that everyone have a right to say what they're thinking even if I disagree. I hate it how the idiot fake liberals are all against that. That (and many other things like the gender/trans ideology bs) isn’t what we used to advocate for.
Same, my sister. I'm a gay man who voted and identified left my whole life (54 now) until 2016 when I noticed the crazy gaining steam... then the Evergreen incident in 2017. I still consider myself liberal, but now vote conservative all the way!
Same here. Used to be somewhat left leaning and libertarian. Then I saw the effects of outright full decriminalization of drugs and the effects were disastrous. Also, as much as I have a loathing for Trump, it’s not hard to see it as a witch hunt when you realize that not even the most notorious career criminals in US history have managed to rack up as many indictments or felony charges.
As a left winger you finally made me understand why I feel so uncomfortable. And yet if i wander onto sites that are mostly right wingers like Twitter, everyone casually using slurs is also extremely uncomfortable. I just want to live in a world where we can have different views than someone else and not get told "off yourself"...
I was on the left too, but you won't really find many people who are comfortable openly talking about issues on the left any more. There's this deeply engrained desire to just dismiss anything that makes them uncomfortable when they think about it - I think it's fear that someone they don't want to be like might be right.
Honestly the best left wing groups are left liberals and soc dems because there agency to political effectiveness moderates the worst ingroup behaviour
I'm curious what slurs. Because like, you have to get pretty deep into right wing territory to find people using what I'd consider slurs. Unless you mean non-slurs like "retarded" and "groomer" and "gay". God, if I'm right, you wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in the 90s and 00s.
Trump was left of center before he was elected. He still is. They call him a right wing extremist, but then again, they also call men women. War is peace. Freedom is slavery.
It's why I no longer identify as left wing. I am predominantly left wing I'm pro gun control, pro choice, anti racist, believe in a welfare state, think essential amenities should be nationalised, am against military use for regime change, want a solution for the ecology. But it's not enough. It's never enough. People on the centre or the right are, as he says "Fair enough. Come and have a beer" Some of the friends I've known for 50 years on the left, suddenly about 10 years ago seemed to go all-in. Every bullet point had to be hit, or you were ostracised. To the point I wasn't allowed to express any opinion unless I agreed with all of them in the manual. A manual I never got and didn't know existed. My centralist and right wing friends - most of them - couldn't give a toss. What's more - unlike Daniel says here. They DON'T try and convert me. Ever. If I don't agree with them on a point - they are happy to disagree and move on, and we remain friends. I'm so much happier now I don't openly call myself left wing. To the point that, while I disagree with most of their politics. I absolutely agree with the right wing method of discourse. I think the (ironically) McCarthyistic ways the left enforce their doctrine has gone past the point where it is self destructive, and is now seriously harming left wing parties across the Western world.
and all I can say as a true liberal is: "Did you really not realize how totalitarian the left actually is". That's what we are mainly activated against. I hate the right, but I especially hate the left.
With the exception of gun control and abortion your beliefs are shared by most conservatives, and outside of the USA, they would be entirely shared with conservatives.
@@danw5760 I am outside the USA. I can tell you that nationalised amenities are considered radical in almost all European nations. With perhaps the exception of French energy production.
@@PaulRoneClarke I don't think so, partly because I dispute the right left distinction as the media presents it. Take Britain and it's famous red wall on recent years, you think they are pro privatisation? Most people are both more left wing AND more right wing than the media presents. Most people are not ideological soldiers fighting for a particular side, they have a collection of views that fall on both sides. Typically more economically left wing than the media presents and yet also more socially conservative
Similar experience. I'm left wing and recently met a childhood friend who is right wing. We checked and noticed that the only thing we agreed was "police should serve the well being of the population, not corporations". A few months later I was invited to his wedding. Meanwhile, I've had some real arguments with left wing friends for nulling my vote when the right was against the extreme-right in my country.
I perceive things to be the other way around. Like, there is infighting among the left, but the overall goals seem to be accomplished. Until the overturning of Roe vs Wade, I'd never seen anything get done besides useless presidential election "wins" that made tbings still go left, but slower.
@@GldnClaw Most Republicans still vote for neo-cons, which are basically the same as neo-libs. That's why someone like Trump has powerful enemies even in the GOP.
@@GldnClawAre you blind? What goals have been accomplished? The US is a neoliberal capitalist nightmare - leftist goals have not yet being accomplished!
"Rightist unity" heheh. Well, rightist unity in the sense of the voters being mostly relatively chill normal people who rub along and leave each other alone, but they disagree on all sorts of things, they don't have an ideology, they're just "people who aren't on the left" really. But the establishment right wing hate their voters and do everything they can to stamp out conservative values and hang out with their gay vegan urban leftie mates. Trump is not like the establishment right, which is why people like him, and why the establishment hates him.
this is reductive - the reasons leftists infight is because half of us have drastically different goals to the rest of us. leftist thought has a lot of different (often mutually exclusive) ideologies in it, so of course there's going to be "infighting" it isn't infighting if our ideologies are directly in conflict with each other, that's just... fighting
I understand in the left we really value growth, change, and holding ourselves & each other accountable. but I think sometimes this can manifest as unforgivable perfectionism and prioritizing calling out over direct action
This is so true. See every Progressive influencer quoting MLK Jr "The most dangerous thing is the white moderate" or whatever like being only slightly left is worse than being a Nazi.
My favourite is when they use that quote and then in the next sentence tell me to shut up and get out of the way of marginalised people; which is it should I be loudly advocating or silent?
@@andrewgreenwood9068 Silence is violence, apparently. So are words. Everything except the violence they threaten people with. That doesn't count for some reason.
A lot of people who were once of the Left find themselves feeling politically homeless. I have felt like such for a long time. "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to."-George Carlin
You clearly don't understand enough about politics. Do more research, and you'll probably figure out that you're secretly either apolitical or a basic bitch right winger (which is basically the same thing, the right is just the not-left, so welcome to the club, they'll never take you back unless you become a total dysfunctional weirdo who spends all day arguing on Twitter). Most people start off thinking they're left wing, but they aren't. They just want to be nice to people, and don't realise that the right can also be nice to people as well. And I mean, when you've got people like the Tory Party and George W. Bush in charge, it's very hard to enjoy being right wing. Trump's just a 90's democrat who doesn't hate his voters, and says weird stuff to get attention. That's why he's popular, he's NOT a mainstream right wing politician. Rather, he's a wrecking ball that is designed to smash the warhawk criminal neoliberal cringelords, although they make out that he's more of a big deal than he actually is. Biden undid most of Trump's reforms within a week. And most of those were just "Hey, let's do things like the 90s".
I hear about this all the time, but I must be around the “wrong” kind of left and right. Nothing but kindness over disagreements and different visions from the left leaning people I’ve met. Right leaning people can be nice in general but boy do they get bad moments where they turn on me as the butt of the joke
Its an unfortunate tendency of leftist groups to fracture and end up fighting ourselves and thats why we lose. In Germany the social democrats and the socialists both fought with each other so much that it allowed the Nazis to rise
It's because people who are terminally online argue with other terminally online people who argue with trolls pretending to be terminally online leftists. Actual organizing in real life among left-wing groups often comes down to "We don't actually have enough people so as long as you're not a fed or an asshole you can come to our meeting." What doesn't help is a lot of liberals think they're left-wing when leftism is explicitly anti-liberal. They show up to stuff like pride events and suggest rainbow capitalism will solve anything, then get tossed out for being classist/racist/whatever because they still have brainworms.
This is so fucking true. I used to think I was pretty left-wing.. Then I joined an anarchist subreddit. I received far more hate from the left than I ever have from the right. It was a really eye opening experience and made me realize that both sides had devolved into extremist cults. I still consider myself progressive, but I got out of the echo chamber and I make it a point to get news and opinions from a wide variety of sources. I've found myself agreeing with a lot of conservatives I had previously written off because I had brainwashed into the "you're with us or against us" mentality. Now I just treat everyone as a fellow human being regardless of who they are, where they're from or what their opinions are. Life is slightly less stressful this way. It's kinda nice, and I highly recommend it.
Nobody is denying that the right have their ideological divisions too, heck if and when they get what they want I can't imagine all those "pick me" LGBTQ conservatives are going to be tolerated for very long. But we've seen that right-wingers are more than capable of looking past one another's differences (in the short term) to achieve their sordid ends. Meanwhile I have watch different groups of my fellow lefties unironically arguing whether or not Iran is a more democratic nation than the USA.
It may be more prominent on the left but it's definitely a thing on the right too. I'm a centrist who leans left (but used to be a Republican before Trump) so I'm apparently the devil no matter which side you're on. I'm far too liberal for conservatives and far too conservative for liberals.
The right has this too but they all vote for their guy no matter what and don't do dumbass shit like "i'm not voting because Biden didn't do the exact perfect thing according to my personal opinion! Waaawaaa!" Republicans are like "has Trump's head spun around 360 degrees while he chanted hail satan? No? Well then he has my vote."
As a leftist, a lot of these issues are about civil rights and it's extremely emotional to see people suffering. But some leftists have a stick up their ass and see everything in black and white. Personally I've always tried to put myself in other people's shoes and understand others perspectives (including trump supporters, i know shocking). I've had people literally stop talking to me before because I tried asking them to step outside their perspective to understand why people are anti-abortion or think LBGTQ is immortal. It doesn't help anyone to scream at people that you are right and they are wrong. Know your enemy and you are more likely to succeed in a humane conversation.
While true, as you can apparently understand why some people are anti-lgbt I can more than understand being vehemently against those things. Like, understand them sure. But let's not act like it's legitimate. Maybe try different wording. Asking people to "understand the perspective" of LGBT hate probably isn't conducive to anything other than anger at you. Instead try encouraging them to figure out *precisely what* the hateful people are getting wrong, rather than just lumping them all in the box of "wrong." Even if the hate doesn't come from a reasoned source, the people may have reasoning they use to excuse it regardless, and tackling that reasoning *can* cause people to reflect. Unlikely, but it's resoundingly better than nothing and perhaps more importantly helps prevent more moderates from *becoming* hateful.
You can’t convince people to your side without empathizing with them. Moderate conservatives are honestly with us on 80 percent of things, they’re just afraid of admitting that the left has more in common with them than what the Republican Party has become.
I feel like everyone on the far left or the far right see things in black and white. They both treat moderates leaning to their own side as inferior but the main difference is the right seems to have more moderates and the left has more hard core leftists.
@@paulkaehn6203 (Note: I am assuming that you're talking about America, I don't know if this is true). I kind of feel like it's the opposite. The only way I can think of that you could say right wingers are more moderate is that they flip-flop on their convictions a lot depending on the discussion. But this isn't a case of not being extreme, this is just being inconsistent. People on the left have stronger moral convictions. If someone hates gay people, yeah the left isn't going to just accept that and to the right - who accepts anyone who happens to be supporting their current argument, regardless of whether they agree on any moral principles - I guess that could seem like extremism. A rightwinger who hates gay people and immigrants is willing to accept that you're ok with gay people having rights as long as you'll fight with them to kick immigrants out of the country. A leftwinger won't accept either form of hate. They see it as immoral to do so. But on policy the left is far less extreme. It's about leaving people alone - equality - or helping them make up for unfair circumstances - equity. The right wants to take all kinds of healthcare rights away and has repeatedly been trying to overthrow democracy (Jan 6th, the entire 2020 election ordeal in general, project 2025, healthcare rights as I've said etc). That's pretty extreme in terms of policy.
Me being a republican I have to say that I never really hated anyone who disagrees with certain things that I agree with or what I believe in, but I can say that liberals from certain times did hate me for not agreeing with what they agreed with. It's gotten to a point to where I just don't try to talk about things that I agree with within liberal spaces even if some things that I agree with are liberal beliefs and policies. The reason being is because most left leaning people will constantly try to find something to hate on people like me for and it's exhausting and annoying.
@@Alex-gh8iuThank you for being the shining example of everything wrong with current political ideology. We don't agree with everything they think, I probably don't agree with everything you think, this being an example of that. We're humans, we have thoughts, ideas, influences that make us vote or ideate the way we do, rather than use these to point at anyone who doesn't think the exact same way as you as "the problem" or "the enemy" we should be working together to find a middle ground with the largest percentage of appeased populace. Pipe dream, I suppose.
As a leftie... Yeah this is legit. I hate it. Like, I'm a pretty hard line libertarian socialist, but I still respect social democrats for at least wanting to make an effort toward a better society, even if we disagree on whether capitalism is bad fundamentally or not.
Yeah, we have some aligned goals with them we can actual work towards. Abolition of the state isn't gonna happen in our lifetimes, so while we try to lay the groundwork for it, we also have to ensure the rights and dignity of people here and now too. Socdems are usually at least decent on that front.
This is isn’t even a joke, just the honest truth. It’s our biggest issue and the reason why we on the left don’t have a broader electoral influence. Especially being a man,some of the more radical feminist elements are less based on equality and more on emotional rage,makes me think of the “leopards eating people’s faces party” some of the shit I see people on my side say makes me wonder if my face is ever going to end up on the menu.
That’s just the kind of stuff that you encounter when you are in the home-field of a particular thing. You encounter a lot more of the crazies of that group and, for some reason, they are allowed to act like crazies without much pushback. If you go to a rural town and you don’t check all of the right-wing check-boxes, you’re going to be in for just as bad of a time. And the few left wing people you meet are going to be cool with you not checking every box. It feels like there was a time with a lot more middle ground, but I’m not sure if that’s true, or if it just seem that way because the internet was not stablished enough to show to everyone that it wasn’t true.
In the 90s the main political blocks were neoliberal and neoconservative. These days there are far more socialists and fascists so the gap has gotten significantly larger.
I've lived in rural parts of America for the majority of my life, this isn't true at all. They don't care about your politics other than on one issue, are you prometh.
@@andrewgreenwood9068 The Democrat party is still largely neoliberal. The parties are neoliberal and neofascist. The voters aren't necessarily, but our democracy is extremely flawed. Democrats' actions in office are more socially conservative than the mean voter's opinions.
it is on both sides. Just because some people are like that does not endear you to the other side who you mostly disagree with on your most important issues.
@@itoibo4208 Us on the right had a big purity spiraling issue in the early 2000's. We just recognized it and decided to stop engaging with them. Now aways everyone on the right who purity spirals just detaches themselves from the community after a few years.
@@tmmaster6904 I like how you try to hint that the side you oppose are nazis. You learnt nothing from the video and doubled down. This is why your side is losing.
This man gets it! I've been talking about this for years! It's also the reason why right-wing parties thrive over left-wing parties in Europe. They are willing to go into a coallition over 60% of common interests. Left-wing parties go their separate ways over 5% of disagreement. The result is that the right-wing parties more often win the elections, as they split their votes way less.
What a cool event!! I've never been to a trail race that wasn't full of awesome, helpful, cool people. And i completely agree, i gave up roads about 3 years ago and haven't looked back. I'm a trail girl through and through. I love the idea of melting down medals for charity!
Yeah, but at the end of the day, nobody is calling Shapiro a centrist or anything. Left wingers always place other left wingers in doubt aboutvtheir beliefs
Yeah there's a hell of a lot of generalisation in these comments, referring to each side as though they all share identical views with the rest of their party
Eh. Telling a right winger that your pro choice isn’t going to be a fun conversation. I remember making a mild offhand joke about trump and thought I was going to burst into flames from the look of contempt I got
It’s the same reverse just stay away from extremist. I’m anti abortion and have gotten told off and lost friends because of it even though my actions and how I attack the problem are more neutral.
It's kind of a fair insult though. Someone shouldn't run as a Republican when they're just too moderate of a democrat to win an election as a Democrat.
@@Arbidarb in fairness, until fairly recently we had a lot of liberal Republicans, as well as conservative Democrats. The parties weren't always so ideologically uniform
This is so sadly true- though it’s mostly online and what happens in person has gotten 1,000% worse since social media. It stops people from thinking critically or comprehensively and removes the humanity of people we engage with when they’re just a tiny icon on our screens. It feeds us isolated oversimplified sensationalized sound bites, and too many people have forgotten we can think and communicate with care and discernment. Too many people just jump on bandwagons without any intelligent thought or critical thinking behind it. It’s definitely a big part of why we don’t make actual progress and why a lot of people have gone the other way.
It’s usually only recent converts who don’t last long. “I’m vegan today, so I’m mad at all of you for only being vegetarian- but if I eat meat tomorrow I’ll be mad at anyone who mentions the change all the same!”
@@ShadeofIce I’ve never been Vegan but it’s hard to say they don’t have many valid points. I’ve seen so much dislike thrown towards vegans. It’s strange that I have to defend them just because they don’t eat animals.
@@sweetlikechocothai Not a vegan myself either, I just see all these claims like in this video about how they call everyone Nazis and what not and I just haven't seen it. I'm sure if there are any actual hateful vegans they aren't hating because they are vegan they are hating cause they are people and people can be stupid. Nothing to do with being a vegan.
@@ShadeofIce pretty strong correlation between activists and purity tests... this isnt a contentious point. Activists do purity tests and thats what a vegan is. Sure some are worse than others but its a moral standing for this point. They are all this way. Its to the degree
I once knew a left wing person who said being centrist is just as bad as being far right. It was an uneasy relationship, to say the least, knowing that a member of your friend group looks down on you and your other friends like that.
Look when right wing types will fight you with all your might no matter how many compromises you make, it is much more efficient to just demand the entire mile from the start.
I've seen a neo-liberal vegan say that communism was anti vegan because it "reduces veganism to consumer choice" when that's literally what capitalism does. In a democratic economy you could literally vote on how animals are treated and directly petition the farmers to treat their animals better, like, you get to appeal to your entire community to boycott meat products as a group, far more effective than the current economy in which boycotts are often ineffective unless you have a lot of reach because a hefty chunk of the population can't access vegan food to begin with because of either poverty or lack of supply chains where they live. It was hilariously silly. Thought Slime did a video on it.
Does this neo-liberal want to make veganism mandatory? Because otherwise, their statement makes no sense. It does not make sense either way, but I mean even more so. Still though, being a neo-liberal and wanting to make anything mandatory (except for living under capitalism and all that) would be hypocritical... I guess I simply do not understand this person. Also keep in mind that neo-liberals are not left wing in any way. On the other hand, "left wing" is a meaningless and fundamentally flawed term, so I don't know, maybe neo-liberals are left wing... I do have a somewhat similar problem, though my friend is some kind of social liberal/democrat (in practice neo-liberal with a bit of paint), who instead, everytime I try to explain that markets are driving environmental and animal exploitation, that vegan activism within the system is an extremely uphill battle and that a democratic economy actually could make a difference, she literally starts talking about the "moral value" of making the choice yourself, how reform within capitalism is ****""""technically possible""""**** and starts bringing up every mainstream red scare argument. She has recently been completely obsessed with Biden, we do not even live in America. I guess supporting mr. "Continue building the wall, subsidizing more fossil fuels than Trump and unconditionally supporting Israel" will just magically save the climate and animals. Though supporting the mainstream oligarch who fights against the one mainstream oligarch that might actually create a fascist state (or, make the state officially fascist...) might be easier than googling "Bernie Sanders". Or better yet, actually taking two seconds to learn what four of the eight relevant parties in *your own country* want nothing to change, what three actively want to make things more fascist, and which one actually might almost make something somewhat better. Or better, better yet, actually reading up about revolution, spreading awareness about it and supporting it in the imperial periphery. Sorry for the text dump, I just saw someone who actually has some understanding of socialism (I assumed you were a fellow red, that might be incorrect though?) and had a somewhat similar problem. Naturally, I had to rant. :)
"Why I like dogs! Dogs are better people than people" Ricky Gervais. This quote just popped into my head watching this. My animals always love to greet me when I get home and are always happy to see me.
Why don't you type 'ex-jw' into the search bar and learn up on cult survivors. They cut off your life. They dissociate you from everyone you love on the outside. They work you to the bone so you don't have time to think for yourself. They chastise you if you take a moment to think for yourself. A diet is closer to a cult than a loose association of people with similar ideas.
OMGOODNESS where are the right-wing folks this guy is talking about?? I’m a RINO - even though I want small (but FUNDED) government, well trained/well funded military and police, with constructive corporate regulation - because I hate Trump, love my gay friends/family, and think abortion should not be something everyone gets to vote on. Maybe I’m not really either red right or blue left anymore. Maybe I’m truly purple 💜 and stuck in the middle with all y’all
Doesn't sound like you agree with anything the current republican party is trying to legislate, and you do agree with most of what the Democrat party is trying to legislate. Maybe you should spend some time thinking about which party brings you closer to what you believe in.
@@diamondmx3076 💯 riding with Biden and a voting a straight blue ticket in my State until the GOP gets the message - or the Democrats decide they don’t want democracy either - whichever comes first
You're not the first person on the comments to say that. Can you explain what "lefty" has to do with sports to a very non-sports person (and definitely a non-soccer person, if that's the kind of football you are speaking about)? As a word and language fan, I find it fun to know when assorted jargon has the same word but different meanings.
A good example I immediately thought of is how every pride month for the past few years, without fail, people start arguing with each other over identity politics (like if people are evil because they identify as bisexual vs pansexual or LGBT+ vs queer). Like y'all please, there are bigger issues and arguing over if xyz identity is "real and valid" doesn't actually do anything productive
I am Conservative. He makes so much sense. (Minus "hating gays".) The Left has such a spectrum. And it changes daily. You have to accept something new every day. The Far Left has no wall itself. Some believe you can be "attracted to minors" and justify that. Then people who believe 100 other Liberal points won't go THAT far.
Exactly! We can have our own religious beliefs but that doesn’t mean we hate gay people. Jesus told the woman in adultery to go and sin no more, but he also defended her from being stoned. Also, I recommend a video by live action called the sexual revolution (or something like that). The lady giving the speech made a very interesting point about how all these things were supposed to accept now are all connected to the idea of “I can do whatever I want sexually and nothing bad will happen.” So yeah, I’m not surprised that there are people trying to make incest and pedophelia okay now.
When somebody prays for a friend going through a tough time online and then a fellow lefty atheist with a pentagram pfp comes in to ruin everybodys day including mine
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school Pretty sure it was the "ruin everybodys day" thing he has a problem with. But I'm sure you knew exactly the type of person he's talking about.
yeah, its basically the same thing although thankfully not as ubiquitous on the right as the equivalent thing is on the left. It also is an easy way to identify the morons on the right.
I know this is a joke but seriously gets to one of the biggest issues with the failures of the left wing
Letting vegans in?
@@KingZNINinfighting
Every issue is a left wing failure. They can't see the reality of the climate hoax, wage gap myth, human life and value beginning at conception, stupidity of minimum wage and welfare etc.
Every issue is abysmal.
The right wing failure is appeasing leftist lunatics, warmongering, bloated government, etc.
Cause conservatives want to go backwards, and we already know what backwards looks like. Leftists want to go forwards. We don't know what forwards looks like. Arguments ensue.
The right do it too. Especially the more knuckle dragging variety.
Reminds me of that one post describing a racist space as more inclusive due to the fact that they accepted everyone racist, without consideration of race 😂
😂😂😂😂
That is some seriously hilarious irony.
sounds like the racist/generally xenophobic party in our government xD the main thing they pushed before the latest election, besides anti-immigration, was "look how happy and included these immigrants (of all races/ethnicities!!) in our commercials are! vote for us if you're an immigrant and you can be this happy too!"
That’s the funniest thing ever lol
This is very true, I've noticed. The right wing loves having their Uncle Ruckus that they can point to and say "see, we're not racist! We have a black guy on our side! (who happens to hate black people as much as we do."
The worst part is that often these disagreements aren't even on actual policy or things you want to do, but on how you feel, emotionally, about a certain subject. There's a subset of leftists that just can't see themselves side to side with anyone who doesn't feel EXACTLY the same emotions as them when they think of this or that subject, and think that there's something wrong with you if your emotional reactions aren't the exact same as theirs.
It depends on the point of contention. If someone is trying to stop another from things that a person feels like their life is literally contingent on, it’s gonna feel like that person is trying to stop them from the thing that is keeping them alive.
It’s hard not to take that personally, especially when the person voting against those safeguards don’t have any skin in that particular game, don’t care or are actively fighting against what this person considers literally necessary.
@@joemiller7082 But my point is that the disagreement often isn't even on policy. It's just on vibes.
this on both sides
@@joemiller7082I mean no point in taling it personally regardless its all a ruse nothing anyones "worried" abkut hardly changes they say it does or that it will to distract us from the things that actually matter to everyone like idk the economy thats in shambles rn and were worried about no abortions and chicks with dicks a lot of is got our priorities messed up 😂
i get the point, but there's certain things we're correct not to stand on our side, I don't parle with transphobes no matter how pro choice they are
"Are you homophobic?"
"I'm gay."
"My question still stands"
I had a convo with a drinking buddy one time that went similar to this
Friend: "What do you think about those trans people?"
Me: "I'm trans"
Friend: "so is Blair White"
Funny thing is I got called homophobic and a bigot by some one who was gender fluid, she abd her friends banned me from a server permanently all because I had an interesting yet very constructive conversation with some ones ehos trans about how medical companies support the LGBT movement only to make money from us.
(I'm gay btw)
@@IllithaYou have a friend who doesn't know you're trans?
The most homophonic people are often gay and in denial about it. They compensate by hating on gays more than garden variety anti-gay people.
no joke, in france, a gay was arrested for being homophobic because he spoke about the drug problems in gay community
As a lefty yeah, yeah this can happen sometimes some people are just so stuck up their own asses that they dont realize a little is better than nothing
a lot of people say they’re into politics because they want to seem smarter than they are and the left wing is the political correct party so they can just repeat things they’ve heard on TV lol. They also think Twitter is how political discussion actually works
is just the extemeists, am right leaning an i argue with the crazy mo fo's all the time. Both sides gotta realise that most people arguing online are fringe elements
@@x-LINX-xNah, as a Leftist, infighting is a much bigger problem on the Left, it isn't just with fringe groups, it's pretty much this whole side of the political spectrum. If someone is slightly to the right of you, they're a Fascist (as he jokes in this clip), and if they're slightly to the left they're either a fool or a lunatic, or both. A lot of Leftist ideologies are actually very similar, and only exist because at some point someone had a slight disagreement with someone else. A great way to see this is to simply look at how many Internationales there have been, especially after the 2nd Internationale, and especially how many Trotskyist Internationales there are.
Don't get me wrong, there's definitely infighting on the right. Especially between Liberals and Conservatives in many Liberal Democracies, and especially more so in the past couple decades. But they *typically* still come together when faced with something that threatens them, or that they perceive to be a threat
It's what makes me laugh at the conspiracy crazies who think there is some secret Woke left wing agenda. Dude we are not that united to have a secret conspiracy plan the only folks we argue with more than you is each other
@@emlynselene1096that's just a natural consequence of seeing every issue as a wedge issue and deriving your self worth from identity politics.
I got berated by another democrat for pointing out that republicans deserve fair and just treatment from police officers as well. Apparently wanting everyone to have fair and just treatment was wrong.
First of all, how dare you!
Giving an enemy an advantage they would never give you is exactly why we lose constantly in the us. Just some friendly advice.
I’m hoping the comments on your comment are satire because what you said seems logical and honestly like something every decent person should believe, every person (political leanings aside) should get just and fair treatment. I’m sorry they berated you.
Ladies and Gentlemen! Here it is, step right up to the reason there is a divide in this country. "An Enemy". It is not a debate, a discussion or a discourse it is pure and simple tribal warfare, you think different to me that makes you my enemy. They always talk about how empathetic and kind they are too...shame really. @@ericmcintosh6167
@@ericmcintosh6167 Enemy? If you are referring to your political opposites as enemies you have bigger problems. That's fucking sinister. They are citizens just as much as you are.
I lean left, and he's definitely correct. It's ridiculous. No wonder so many people are fed up with it.
I'm curious, what position have you seen taken that got this reaction, and you thought it was unreasonable?
Because mostly I see this when someone wants to hate on one part of the LGBTQ and still be considered left. Recently trans people.
Lol, we're not fed up with it. Yeah, people csn be annoying, but no leftist is ever going to sympathize with the modern US right-wing party.
@@diamondmx3076 They are still considered left?? Being leftist politically doesn't mean you agree with every leftist view. I'm part of the lgbtq+ community and support everyone in it, but if someone doesn't it doesn't automatically kick them out of the left. That's just not how political beliefs work. If you think views on the lgbtq community is the one and only issue that politics deals with, then you are very ignorant on politics.
@sammco6704 if someone isn't for LGBTQ rights, then it calls anything else left they claim to believe into question. How much of it is politics of convenience or personal gain.
You can't really be left if you think some people don't deserve equal rights for who they are. I challenge you to find a person who genuinely believes leftist views and is bigoted against LGBTQ people.
@@sammco6704Nah cuz the left is about intersectionality, fighting oppression in all its forms, if you think some people deserve rights and others don't, then you're not a leftist dude, like by definition
In 2020, I worked in a hospital, ya know, during COVID! I worked with some cops in the hospital and I respected them - in 2020, I had people get so deep inside my head about how I was worse than evil because I didn’t hate those cops
I also am the guy who will converse with a bigot and, if they seem kind enough to listen, I’ll try to “plant a seed” to help them learn and grow
I have been called an “apologist” and told “you’re just as evil as they are! If they wanna change, make them do it on their own! They can do their research! Do not welcome them into our ranks if they won’t do all the work on their own!”
Bruh-
Don't forget, when extremists get power they don't go after the other side. They start purging the moderates.
@@15walkingaway that is an important thing to remember - they don’t care about their “allies” as human beings, they just recruit all they can first
@@15walkingawaycan you give me a historical or contemporary example of extremists seizing power and then purging moderates without purging those opposed to them?
What is this shit a Cult??
@@Mark_and_FamilyThe Iranian Revolution? (Maybe, I'm not 100% sure about that.)
I've not seen anything of this guy before, so I thought it was going to be a weird football joke at first.
Daniel Sloss is a great comedian and i encourage you to check out his other stuff. It often is dark humour though, so be prepared.
He's most famous for making women break up with their boyfriends
*insert Falcon and Winter Soldier “he’s outta line but he’s right” meme*
... well actually hes left-
@@SinisterSpiderPunk LMAO 😂
Well played @@SinisterSpiderPunk
No, he’s not out of line. He’s telling it like it is.
That entire show was out of line💀💀💀
The longer I've been left wing, the more I've realized that a variety of opinions on certain issues is actually healthy for your political diet. If I disagree with someone about how an issue should be handled, regardless of whether they're left-wing or right-wing, we can have a conversation about it, and maybe I'll learn something. The only times I'm NOT interested in hearing someone out is when they're attacking someone's basic human rights.
But what is and isn't a basic human right? Some people will claim everything to be a basic human right. Being willing to discuss where that line falls, and why it falls there, is the foundational discussion.
@@Arbidarb Perfectly articulated.
People who think like OP and those in agreement with them really make me consider if I am indeed the crazy one.
@@Arbidarb Honestly this perfectly describes my issues with a lot of political discussion as of late. You will be shut down immediately if you try to have an actual conversation of what counts as a right and what counts as a privilege.
what about basic animal rights?
Every policy can be reduce to human rights I think. You would disagree on that as well.
I am always interested. I will often disagree though, I do not agree with genocide but plenty of people do not even see it as genocide (for example)
I've run into this in online interactions, but never IRL
I didn't just run into this IRL. I dated the person that I got into a crazy argument with. Left a real bad taste in my mouth about trans people for a little while, but I really cannot hold that one experience against an entire community. They're known to be toxic even to themselves though if they disagree on certain political views. They will drag each other on Twitter or whatever it's called now despite preaching of love and acceptance.
Then count yourself very lucky.
the purity tests are so exhausting, absolutely
They’re actually doing the same thing as the alt-right, that’s what makes it even more infuriating
My personal take is that it's like a religion substitute, filling in the vacuum left from the decline of organised religions. Some people need to feel this moral righteousness and absolutism. In other times they would be strictly religious. In these secular times they adhere to social media pseudo-religions.
It’s become a religion. A cult
@@paulw5039 There's part of that which is accurate, the things is even in religious circles being self righteous can be and should be more frequently condemned.
Religious cult you say? Sort of like christisnity? @trying3841
painfully accurate
[edit:] the best thing is people responding to my comment disagreeing 😭
It's not though
@seanquinn4540 it really is lmao he just missed the part that if someone disagrees then they also tweet about it trying to get them cancelled cause they have nothing better to do with there sad existences apart from going to starbucks and talkin weird
Intrestingly my experience is the opposite here right wing is very gatekeeper filled.
the only part where hes wrong is ignorant facebook dads on ukraine.
It’s not accurate at all 😂
Okay but this is so true it's why we can't get shit done. Imperfection isn't allowed and people are convinced they have to tackle every single of the worlds evils at once.
Meanwhile the people who make the biggest difference are the ones who pick one thing to do something about and care about that really really hard, while being willing to work with other people with different areas of expertise.
You're wrong, it's why you get things done. You bully people into submission, and it's very effective. You captured the ruling class and turned them insane. Like, you've basically gotten everything you wanted other than socialist economics (even though concessions are still made in that direction), and the left fringe lunatics will keep pulling politicians ever more socially leftwards.
There is no such movement capable of doing the same on the right. Yet. I'm not looking forward to it, because you know, sacrificing your humanity for victory is cringe, and it's not in our nature, unlike the radical fringe weirdos on the opposite team, but... Eh. The establishment right is doing everything they can to try and shut right wing voters out of politics. The main reason why Trump is popular is because he is NOT the establishment right, and because he doesn't hate his voters.
I'll never get the leftist wistful admiration for the likes of establishment war pigs like George W. Bush.
This is why I left the left. I just hate the feeling like I'm walking on eggshells all the time. It's 100% unquestioning support all the time for every cause or nothing. That's not productive discourse. That's a cult.
It’s more because there are only two parties in the US.
@@KRYMauLThere are WAY more than 2 parties in the US. It's just that only 2 of them matter.
@@ca_kay Right, I'm saying they need to have ranked-choice voting in the US, so they don't get stuck with two parties that increasingly polarize.
This is so true! I thought it was only the case in Poland but looks like it's a worldwide issue with left wing. I've always considered myself a leftist but these days I'm probably not leftist enough.
No one is ever left wing enough. There will always be someone more left wing than even the most left wing person you've ever met.
Continual revolution and adherence to group over principle is a core aspect of Marxism, regardless of its form (socialism, communism, Soviet etc).
Who are you trying to be leftist for? I mean what is “enough” and who is the ruler of this new “ what is enough” category? Don’t try to live your life for other people.
@@jujutrini8412 My comment is ironic.
@@aniaposz Thank goodness.
He is correct. We spend a lot of time trying to high horse each other on the left and it’s part of the reason conservatism is on the rise globally
Joe rogan is a prime example
A leftist with sense
Amazing
Well put
To be honest I'd suggest part of the problem is seeing people as either left or right. I'm a little right of centre (in the UK, which is different from the US) but while I might not agree with everything a moderate left-winger thinks I feel a lot more in common with them than a right wing nutter. Sadly we're being dragged towards extremes, whereas most people would be better served by the centre.
@@Ben-kt5rc and you’re correct with that but when you have people trying to argue that someone like Joe Biden is a far left winger when an actuality, he probably is closer to what you are in the UK, and those same people will not listen to reason or logic, or any kind of solid argument, showing he isn’t what are you left to do?
Our other candidate is most likely going to be someone who had a part in January 6 to some degree and the mayhem that was caused and went down, and there are people in the Republican party right now, saying he should not be president again. Those people will vote for him come the general election because he’s got the R next to his name . That’s not seeing people as left or right that’s people showing you they are.
As someone who answers 'yes' to all of those questions, i still receive exactly the same treatment for trying to be civil in discussion and allowing people the same courtesy i extend to people i agree with. I feel like allowing other people to get to me and make me respond reactively instead of intelligently means that they win. If people were more respectful of the rules of debate (both sides), maybe we'd actually get some where. Things really have changed though. Remember the good old days of just disagreeing about Bush and WMDs and invasions? Lol.
I miss the good old days of lefties thinking racism, sexism, etc was bad. Now the growing fringe thinks that it's not only not bad, but that it's a moral duty (so long as it's only directed at a certain group).
@@LycanKai14 who's making anything up?
@@LycanKai14the lefts actions speak for themselves. Who was the last group to try and end the Civil rights act? Who allows segregation at colleges and graduations?
You gotta understand, this isn't about fairness, this is about seizing power by any means necessary to enact the revolution. You didn't get the memo, comrade.
@@ragepaint lmao I think anyone who endorses the Republican party can shut royally the fuck up when it comes to civil rights and college.
There's one thing that some lefties / progressives need to understand. There are plenty of people not as progressive as you, but they're making a good faith effort to do the right thing. THAT is the important thing.
And some of those people oppose your views in good faith.
The point of democracy is that opposing views can be heard and we can make informed decisions.
Well at least we used to...
@@andrewgreeb916
No we didn't.
We're just more aware of how uninformed we are now.
@@andrewgreeb916 _Some,_ yes but certainly not the majority. American media and political propaganda has utterly removed the brains of ~65% of the population. If you actually think critically, you realize that "Center" in America is "Far Right" in Europe.
@@alansmithee419 we did at one point, although it's been like 20 years since then
@@andrewgreeb916
20 years ago pretty much all news came from news sources with an agenda or the government.
Now those news sources still exist (so there's no way for us to be *less* informed, all the previous types of information sources are still here), there is just also easier direct communication between members of political movements who can fact-check for (or lie to) each other, and media finds it much harder to lie about overseas events because we can find footage of those events online for free - this is the internet. That communication has made us realise how faulty the news sources *always* were. Most "new" things in politics are just old things that we weren't aware of on a mass-scale because no one told us before. Now people can't be stopped from telling us. The problem appears bigger because we can actually see it now, not because it wasn't there.
The issue is people who pick-and-choose their sources to be the ones that they already agree with. But that is a problem with people, not the information availability which has drastically improved.
(ok, to be fair I'm realising now this might be what you meant. Sorry if so).
We are more informed than ever. The issue is humans are bad at choosing which information is valuable. Before, you didn't get much of a choice. You had the local and national paper or news channel and that was basically it. Whatever they told you was true, because you had little means of verifying it yourself.
This is actually so true. The right will accept anyone right-wing no matter how flawed the person is while the left are so overly critical they won't hesitate to throw one of their own out. There should be balance. Don't be so overly critical but also don't overlook people's obvious wrongs
As someone who has friends on both sides
Am more careful when talking with my left-wing friends because I don't want to upset them since they are my pals
When I talk with my right-wing friends there like hey you won't change my mind but I don't want to change yours
Another major thing
There are rarely the ones bringing up politics
Compare this to the left who it always seems as if politics is the only thing on their minds
Eh, anyone unless you’re gay or a certain kind of brown, depending on the person
Yeah, we need to be more pragmatic and chill. Most lefties aren’t that bad, but you really remember the few that are.
"Are you anti-gun?"
"Guns do have their uses."
"Bye, Felicia!"
You're just making me think of the meme "when you go far enough left, you get your guns back".
@@mastermarkus5307I told my dad (who had gotten very conservative in his old age despite being super left wing during the 60s and 70s) about that meme just a few months before he passed. He laughed at first, then asked if that was a joke or a threat. I laughed and said a little bit of both. I think he started drifting right originally because he thought the left would take away his guns, but that meme reminded him of when he was in his 20s and 30s. He actually started to really think critically about the political atmosphere again and about how his leanings affected me, a proud member of the Alphabet Mafia lol. He also started to fact check what his favorite news channel (Faux News) was telling him, and he didn't like what he was seeing. I have no clue what he would be like today or who he would've voted for, but it at least helped us heal our relationship a bit more before he passed.
That is my favorite meme now, and anytime someone mentions it, I think about my dad. Thanks for the ticket to memory lane. Just thought I'd share. :)
Ah fuck leftist discourse has always been this way, it’s completely exhausting. Left wing discourse amongst left wingers hasn’t changed since Life of Brian took the piss out of us and the internet has just made it more pronounced and more fractured
True
Hasn't changed since the times of Marx, or at least since the Second International
@@aushshsushshsh5224 since before the international
As soon as I saw that movie, and that joke specifically I felt seen 😂
Because progressivism pushes towards a "better" future, and there's a lot to discuss on what "better" entails for something that doesn't exist yet.
Conservatism and regressionism on the other hand has a very clear idea of what they want in mind: to go back to the old days, as those were the "better" times.
It's not complicated, but it is easy to overlook. I'll still say that conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history, but getting the right side sorted out is an undeniable pain.
As far as I can tell most "in fighting" amongst conservatives is about policy differences and which politician seems to adopt them as opposed to how people feel about various issues.
More solution oriented perhaps.
Halfway in I realized we weren't talking about rugby. I was imagining being the only guy that doesn't get to throw the ball down to their teammates was why he was so emotional
A very online experience
I wish it was just online. There's a real problem with people not being able to work with one another when trying to do organizing or activism irl too. Causing left wing infighting is easy enough it's a well known disruption tactic used by some governments to torpedo any movements they view as a threat. The US government at least had been particularly fond of that.
Christ, I wish. Leftist infighting has historically been as indomitable an obstacle as reactionary forces.
@@feistsorcerer2251same concept leads to terrible political candidates too.
The primary is a race to the fringes, so you both end up with more extreme candidates in the general election (the most dangerous because they actually believe their BS and will die on that hill) or just moderate ones that are trying to walk back all the crazy stuff they said in the primary to make their platform palatable to moderates.
Personally I prefer the moderates who walk back their promises to the hardliners who refuse to compromise and then end up getting basically nothing done for four years.
I live in a college town, so I'ma disagree, seeing as I'm forced to talk to these ppl irl.
@@Nioclas64 sure and if you live in a prison you might think criminals are everywhere too, but that would be false
I’m leftist and this is spot on. And yes it’s exhausting sometimes 😂
Honestly, I've given up on the left at this point. Trump 2024. We need Pete Buttigieg out of the Department of Transportation after his response to the East Palestine train crash. We in Ohio downstream of the disaster never forgot how the rivers looked like an oil spill had gone through and we were told to just ignore it and nothing happened.
@@void405 Do you honestly think Trump would have responded better??
@@void405 You thought a guy who was mayor of a town with 6 busses would make a good secretary of transportation? Oh, he got the job because he is gay. Classic leftist politics.
@@Malesthesia Trump did. He went there and handed out food and water. You didn't know that because you live in a bubble.
@@krabz9390 Sure, I didn't know he did that. But, in my opinion, he only did it to look good for the press, and he doesn't actually care about the people affected by catastrophes. He saw a chance to make Democrats look bad, and he took it.
Trump's response to one tragedy does not make him suited for another term in office, especially not when he's being charged with 91 felony charges in four separate states. He's repeatedly revealed himself to be a crook and his businesses have repeatedly filed for bankruptcy, which is concerning when his campaign has previously hinged on his ability to run the US like a business. He rails on illegal immigration, nevermind the fact that undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes every year. Instead of trying to force undocumented immigrants out of the country, he (and every other politician who cares about this issue) should instead be funneling money into American infrastructure so that we can support both undocumented and documented immigrants. Immigration boosts the economy, whether people like it or not. Trump's reasoning is flawed, his character is disturbing, and his ethics are highly questionable at best.
Accurate. I enjoy having an open dialogue with people I disagree with; I always learn something, and I hope the other person does, too.
Extremely accurate. It's so horrible.
I'd consider myself left wing, I'm a progressive, I think we should all not care how people dress, what people they bang, what gender they identify as, all of that, I think there should be some minimal government intervention in the economy to bolster unions, prevent monopolies, and keep wages up, yet, according to multiple people online, im "a part of the problem," I'm a raging bigot, I'm basically Hitler reincarnated. Why? Because I don't think we should put down or discourage religion. I think people should have every right to follow whichever religion they please, and I think it's wrong to hate every Christian just because some people who call themselves Christians are hateful, aka, I think its wrong to generalize a group consistenting of an unimaginable amount of people.
It's crazy to me how damn accurate this skit is, and I never really knew how to put the experience I've had into words until now.
@@tuxtitan780Sure, believe what you want, however stupid your imaginary belief system is xD but also when So much harm has been done in the names of imaginary ideas that have no bearing on the real world, you have to seriously ask whether it's not wise to at Least suppress the congregation of shizo-thinkers so that shit doesn't happen As much! Seriously, I can think of very few groups of people prominent throughout history who caused This much harm to Everything :/
@andrewnewman2589
I'm not religious.
But- oppression. That's what you want to enact, oppression, blatant oppression and desecration of a sacred Western value. Don't phrase it as anything else, you are wanting to oppress people and forcibly make them think a certain way.
@@tuxtitan780 yes, I want to show them a better less obedient way of thinking :) you say I want to oppress you, I say that if you thought about it just a bit more you'd know that we actually want the same thing :) and religion is quite detrimental to this realisation!
@@tuxtitan780"according to multiple people online" Look there's the problem. Permanently online people have the most extreme views and politics online isn't really representative of politics offline. I do have some doubts about your economic ideas though, not that I think your goals aren't good, it's just that they can't be achieved by what people would consider minimal government intervention. Unless you're comparing to planned economy, then ig that would be considered minimal.
I once got told that I was basically a eugenicist because I didn’t want to pass down my mental illness to a child
It's it genetic/ hereditary? If so then no you are not. When it comes to hereditary disease not passing it on is a valid reason for not having children.
And on the opposite scenario you would be called egocentric and cruel...
@@avroarchitect1793 afaik many mental illnesses have significant hereditary factors, to a greater or lesser degree.
Thats a hard ass choice to make.
Respect for making it.
No one cares on either political isle if you want kids, only your family does.
I consider myself to be a centrist (although I think politics is all rigged anyway) but he’s got a point. The people who scream, shout, insult and threaten to cancel you for simply disagreeing with them are never right-wing. I find that people on the right either like you or dislike you and it stays that way. But alotta ppl on the left will like you until you disagree with them on literally anything. Most of the least balanced-thinking people I’ve ever met have been left wing.
I wish I lived in the reality you do where right wing extremists aren't the vast majority of domestic terrorists. The only reason you think they're nice is because you aren't in their cross hairs yet.
I say I'm a centrist and leave it at that for the most part. Politics are doomed in the US. There's no getting out of it. It seems like we're headed towards civil war or worse.
As a centrist, Leftists would attack you while right wing people would just respectfully disagree with you
Yes! Exactly! Thank you for putting it so eloquently. I can be good friends with someone with radically different views from me as I am a firm believer of respecting people no matter what they believe, but I made the mistake of voicing an opinion at work, and this leftist person made up a lie to tell HR to try to get me fired because they disagreed. It's absolute insanity!
It’s because the left doesn’t actually have morals, standards, or a way of life. All they care about is themself.
I'm independent (in the middle) and this is so true.
Tell a right-wing person: "I'm pro-LGBTQ+" and they go nuts until I say, "But I'm anti-abortion." Then suddenly, it's, "Oh, well, I guess we can't always agree on everything."
But tell a left-wing person: "I'm anti-abortion" and they go nuts even after telling them I'm pro-LGBTQ+. Even when I tell them I believe there are exceptions where abortion should be allowed, but that it should be more law monitored, it's just "No, you're against women's rights to their bodies, nuff said!" And nothing else matters. It's ridiculous.
I like to say Republicans are the brain and Democrats are the heart.
If the heart goes without the brain, we are too emotional to look at aspects of various opinions and why they exist. We need the logic to understand before we judge too harshly. Not everyone who does bad things intends to be bad.
If the brain goes without the heart, we ignore emotions and won't see possible other problems that arise. Again, we'll judge people for who they are and how they feel instead of empathizing with them and finding a logical solution to support emotional needs instead of logic of what SEEMS to have historically worked. If people are upset, it's obviously not working.
We need to listen to each other and try to understand the other side. Only then can we make the full body function with brain and heart. Emotions and logic both equally matter.
100% agree as a leftist myself
Keep voting for the left and eventually even you will be prosecuted for wrong think. Get control of your party already and take it back from the far left extremists. Do you get it yet? They want anarchy and the total downfall of the west. They HATE YOU even while they smile at you, just waiting for you to make a mistake. It's why I walked the eff away.
We really need more people like you. Only if this attitude is adopted en masse on both sides will America ever be healed.
A lot of people just don't really have a principle they base their opinions on; they simply grow up as impressionable children within a conforming community and turn out leaning one way or the other without any moral strength.
To them, they act the way they act because that's what "being appropriate" looks like. That's why failing any of them is non-negotiable. Think a person who says they don't pee in public but doesn't flush a toilet. You'd think that the first fact doesn't really make up for the second either.
i do think leftists should be more lenient about differing beliefs among the left, though you seem to be making conservatives seem a lot more reasonable than they actually are.
Hard to survive the purity test
The irony is, this is what the Catholics used to be known for
I'm definitely more conservative-libertarian when it comes to topics like gender, economy, the military, and firearms. Do you know what I do when I meet a trans person? I ignore them. To people too prone to crying some kind of ism that might be seen as a problem, but how many strangers do you really take the time to focus on in your life? I'm not going to harass someone just because I think they might personally have a mental illness, I'm going to mind my own business like a responsible and dignified human being who understands that other people are not always going to agree with me on everything. And when I do make friends with someone who's transgender, do you know what we do? We problem solve and make the necessary amenities to make sure everyone turns out comfortable, me included.
The art of being mature about disagreements is a dead concept unfortunately, and I wish more people, left leaning individuals especially, could at least try to revive it.
As a leftist I 100% agree
The gatekeeping on the Left is ridiculous. They/we need to just chill out a little bit.
So many progressives in the comments proving his point about purity tests and the visceral hatered of anyone that doesnt just yes sir everything they say. No space to talk about differences without being called a facist and starting a screaming fit. Even if you agree with 99% of what they say, that sliver of disagreement is unacceptable
If you don't agree with everything on the left than you are right wing nut job and clearly part of cult... 😂😂😂😂
I'm left, and what you describe has literally never happened to me. Lmao
Nice try though. Purity tests are only done to social media personalities, and has nothing to do with purity politics, and only to do with cancel culture: cancelling people on twitter to feel a surge of power in an otherwise powerless existence that people have. Its pathetic, but has nothing to do with the left wing. The right wing does the same. They prefer left wing targets, but they still target their own
the whole “woke” ideology is just a puritanical religion in my opinion. It’s also ruining the left wings chances at success
I've seen people mock Liberals for thinking they're right wing when by every metric they're right
Human rights is not negotiable. I don't even understand why this is considered political or progressive. It's so basic you can't back down so here we are.
Two instances where this happened that will stick with me for a bit.
1. I got called racist and ableist for correcting bigots' horrible grammar online because apparently, it's a microaggression against dyslexic people and POC who didn't have access to a good education. I'M BULLYING THE BULLIES. The same bigot whose grammar I corrected said the person dragging me was a freak of nature for being nonbinary just before this happened. Ya can't win.
2. I got accused of misgendering and called disgusting by this vegan girl for saying "dude" to a female friend of mine. My friends and I had to explain to her, for 15 MINUTES, that "dude" was just slang, and she gave up, called us fake activists, and left.
Long story short, as much as I love emphasizing the importance of giving a shit about our fellow humans, it's exhausting sometimes.
I was called ableist in a far-left group for saying "imo Trump is an idiot", because apparently "idiot" could be offensive for people with learning challenges...
And then shamed publically on Twitter, even sharing personal information without consent, instead of explaining what exactly I did "wrong" or offensive.
Fun times I guess.
You know what really got me, that chris-chan guy. I experienced the damn meme where I was corrected because I said he. I explained I don't care what Chris claims to be, as it was obvious that he was trying to abuse a group by pseudo associating with it to get laid.
@@zecaptainpegleg8820Why would that help him get laid?
So even though you’re trying your best, you get called the same names I do….sad. Just join the right so you don’t have to worry.
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 wow i abandon all my values and beliefs because people who claim to be on my side of the aisle were mean!
One thing as a lefty that I struggle with is the self loathing contests that take place.
that's just virtue signaling for personal and political gains, the lw ideologically loathes not themselves but "the system", "status quo" etc
the self loathing is probably because they are on the side that supports groomers.
You got that right! Look at the virtue signaling of these lefties CONSTANTLY playing "I can out hate Trump MORE than you".
I’m conservative but since I’m in the artist community (which is pretty much entirely left wing), I was surrounded by this culture and also partook in it. Destroyed my already fragile mental health.
Our bodies are imperfect with imperfect minds, and we need to take care of them. It is not virtuous to hate yourself, because that’s simply a different form of self obsession. (Trust me I know it’s not fun to hear). We can’t help other people when we’re already drowning.
Be gentle to yourself. If everyone else deserves kindness, then you absolutely do too!
I'm bi woman who used to be far left. I left in 2016 and I'm so fucking glad that I did because shit's gone absolutely insane since then.
Can I know your whole story of what made you leave the left and where you currently stand?
@@ElliottWong2024 Well, to put it simply, I just started questioning things that sounded weird as hell 2015/2016 and they didn’t like it at all. I realized how cult like the left was turning into and I just couldn’t pretend that I didn’t see what was going on so I left. I've been called names a ton since but I wear them all like they're my badges of honor. 😂 As of 2024, I think I'm a more right wing leaning liberal but I don’t agree with conservatives on everything either. But I do also believe that everyone have a right to say what they're thinking even if I disagree. I hate it how the idiot fake liberals are all against that. That (and many other things like the gender/trans ideology bs) isn’t what we used to advocate for.
@@minttulatteThe truth is that you've not changed all that much. It's the world around you that has gone nutso.
Same, my sister. I'm a gay man who voted and identified left my whole life (54 now) until 2016 when I noticed the crazy gaining steam... then the Evergreen incident in 2017. I still consider myself liberal, but now vote conservative all the way!
Same here. Used to be somewhat left leaning and libertarian. Then I saw the effects of outright full decriminalization of drugs and the effects were disastrous.
Also, as much as I have a loathing for Trump, it’s not hard to see it as a witch hunt when you realize that not even the most notorious career criminals in US history have managed to rack up as many indictments or felony charges.
As a left winger you finally made me understand why I feel so uncomfortable. And yet if i wander onto sites that are mostly right wingers like Twitter, everyone casually using slurs is also extremely uncomfortable.
I just want to live in a world where we can have different views than someone else and not get told "off yourself"...
I was on the left too, but you won't really find many people who are comfortable openly talking about issues on the left any more. There's this deeply engrained desire to just dismiss anything that makes them uncomfortable when they think about it - I think it's fear that someone they don't want to be like might be right.
To be fair that's Twitter, if you aren't being told to off yourself there something weird is going on.
@@andrewgreeb916if you can’t handle someone telling you to off yourself, don’t be on the internet at all, love life in the real world. Simple as that
Honestly the best left wing groups are left liberals and soc dems because there agency to political effectiveness moderates the worst ingroup behaviour
I'm curious what slurs. Because like, you have to get pretty deep into right wing territory to find people using what I'd consider slurs. Unless you mean non-slurs like "retarded" and "groomer" and "gay".
God, if I'm right, you wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in the 90s and 00s.
I was a lefty, now I'm a righty.
Ok coward.
Same. The left went completely insane over the last decade.
welcome lol
How’s it affected your handwriting, though?
Welcome to adulthood.
This is pretty accurate… I’m left wing, but I don’t agree with absolutely everything that a “pure left wing” might.
Thats the way it should be. The idea that youre one or the other and cant just agree with some issues and disagree with others is asinine to me.
So true. I was just left of center before Trump was elected and almost immediately, I found myself right of center overnight.
Trump was left of center before he was elected. He still is. They call him a right wing extremist, but then again, they also call men women. War is peace. Freedom is slavery.
Mr. Incredible: *CENTER IS CENTER*
It's why I no longer identify as left wing.
I am predominantly left wing
I'm pro gun control, pro choice, anti racist, believe in a welfare state, think essential amenities should be nationalised, am against military use for regime change, want a solution for the ecology.
But it's not enough. It's never enough.
People on the centre or the right are, as he says "Fair enough. Come and have a beer"
Some of the friends I've known for 50 years on the left, suddenly about 10 years ago seemed to go all-in.
Every bullet point had to be hit, or you were ostracised.
To the point I wasn't allowed to express any opinion unless I agreed with all of them in the manual.
A manual I never got and didn't know existed.
My centralist and right wing friends - most of them - couldn't give a toss.
What's more - unlike Daniel says here. They DON'T try and convert me.
Ever.
If I don't agree with them on a point - they are happy to disagree and move on, and we remain friends.
I'm so much happier now I don't openly call myself left wing.
To the point that, while I disagree with most of their politics. I absolutely agree with the right wing method of discourse.
I think the (ironically) McCarthyistic ways the left enforce their doctrine has gone past the point where it is self destructive, and is now seriously harming left wing parties across the Western world.
and all I can say as a true liberal is: "Did you really not realize how totalitarian the left actually is". That's what we are mainly activated against. I hate the right, but I especially hate the left.
With the exception of gun control and abortion your beliefs are shared by most conservatives, and outside of the USA, they would be entirely shared with conservatives.
@@danw5760 I am outside the USA. I can tell you that nationalised amenities are considered radical in almost all European nations. With perhaps the exception of French energy production.
@@PaulRoneClarke I don't think so, partly because I dispute the right left distinction as the media presents it. Take Britain and it's famous red wall on recent years, you think they are pro privatisation? Most people are both more left wing AND more right wing than the media presents. Most people are not ideological soldiers fighting for a particular side, they have a collection of views that fall on both sides. Typically more economically left wing than the media presents and yet also more socially conservative
Similar experience.
I'm left wing and recently met a childhood friend who is right wing. We checked and noticed that the only thing we agreed was "police should serve the well being of the population, not corporations". A few months later I was invited to his wedding.
Meanwhile, I've had some real arguments with left wing friends for nulling my vote when the right was against the extreme-right in my country.
Yep he perfectly describes the problem of leftist infighting vs rightist unity
I perceive things to be the other way around. Like, there is infighting among the left, but the overall goals seem to be accomplished. Until the overturning of Roe vs Wade, I'd never seen anything get done besides useless presidential election "wins" that made tbings still go left, but slower.
@@GldnClaw Most Republicans still vote for neo-cons, which are basically the same as neo-libs. That's why someone like Trump has powerful enemies even in the GOP.
@@GldnClawAre you blind? What goals have been accomplished? The US is a neoliberal capitalist nightmare - leftist goals have not yet being accomplished!
"Rightist unity" heheh. Well, rightist unity in the sense of the voters being mostly relatively chill normal people who rub along and leave each other alone, but they disagree on all sorts of things, they don't have an ideology, they're just "people who aren't on the left" really. But the establishment right wing hate their voters and do everything they can to stamp out conservative values and hang out with their gay vegan urban leftie mates.
Trump is not like the establishment right, which is why people like him, and why the establishment hates him.
this is reductive - the reasons leftists infight is because half of us have drastically different goals to the rest of us. leftist thought has a lot of different (often mutually exclusive) ideologies in it, so of course there's going to be "infighting" it isn't infighting if our ideologies are directly in conflict with each other, that's just... fighting
I understand in the left we really value growth, change, and holding ourselves & each other accountable. but I think sometimes this can manifest as unforgivable perfectionism and prioritizing calling out over direct action
I grew up right wing, then became left wing & now am independent, I have seen this on both sides!
'The narcissism of small differences' - invaluable quote from Sigmund Freud
(or was it Sigmoid Frund - not sure)
Or was it the narcissism of minor differences? 😉
THIS needs WAY more likes!
This is so true.
See every Progressive influencer quoting MLK Jr "The most dangerous thing is the white moderate" or whatever like being only slightly left is worse than being a Nazi.
My favourite is when they use that quote and then in the next sentence tell me to shut up and get out of the way of marginalised people; which is it should I be loudly advocating or silent?
@@andrewgreenwood9068 Then there's Malcolm X saying "The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man."
MLK had issues with the white moderates, and Malcom x hated white liberals.
it's not worse, it's just more potentially dangerous, nazis don't often radicalise moderates, it's slight-rights and other moderates that do
@@andrewgreenwood9068 Silence is violence, apparently. So are words. Everything except the violence they threaten people with. That doesn't count for some reason.
A lot of people who were once of the Left find themselves feeling politically homeless. I have felt like such for a long time.
"I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to."-George Carlin
It's called being independent, it's great.
You clearly don't understand enough about politics. Do more research, and you'll probably figure out that you're secretly either apolitical or a basic bitch right winger (which is basically the same thing, the right is just the not-left, so welcome to the club, they'll never take you back unless you become a total dysfunctional weirdo who spends all day arguing on Twitter).
Most people start off thinking they're left wing, but they aren't. They just want to be nice to people, and don't realise that the right can also be nice to people as well. And I mean, when you've got people like the Tory Party and George W. Bush in charge, it's very hard to enjoy being right wing. Trump's just a 90's democrat who doesn't hate his voters, and says weird stuff to get attention. That's why he's popular, he's NOT a mainstream right wing politician. Rather, he's a wrecking ball that is designed to smash the warhawk criminal neoliberal cringelords, although they make out that he's more of a big deal than he actually is. Biden undid most of Trump's reforms within a week. And most of those were just "Hey, let's do things like the 90s".
E.g., Bill Maher
This happens in every group -- there are still "subgroups" used to further "Us vs. Them" one another.
I hear about this all the time, but I must be around the “wrong” kind of left and right. Nothing but kindness over disagreements and different visions from the left leaning people I’ve met. Right leaning people can be nice in general but boy do they get bad moments where they turn on me as the butt of the joke
Its an unfortunate tendency of leftist groups to fracture and end up fighting ourselves and thats why we lose. In Germany the social democrats and the socialists both fought with each other so much that it allowed the Nazis to rise
You might just be taking it a bit too personally in that case.
It's because people who are terminally online argue with other terminally online people who argue with trolls pretending to be terminally online leftists. Actual organizing in real life among left-wing groups often comes down to "We don't actually have enough people so as long as you're not a fed or an asshole you can come to our meeting."
What doesn't help is a lot of liberals think they're left-wing when leftism is explicitly anti-liberal. They show up to stuff like pride events and suggest rainbow capitalism will solve anything, then get tossed out for being classist/racist/whatever because they still have brainworms.
Everyone should be the butt of the joke from time to time, keeps us humble and sharp witted.
This is so fucking true. I used to think I was pretty left-wing..
Then I joined an anarchist subreddit. I received far more hate from the left than I ever have from the right. It was a really eye opening experience and made me realize that both sides had devolved into extremist cults.
I still consider myself progressive, but I got out of the echo chamber and I make it a point to get news and opinions from a wide variety of sources. I've found myself agreeing with a lot of conservatives I had previously written off because I had brainwashed into the "you're with us or against us" mentality. Now I just treat everyone as a fellow human being regardless of who they are, where they're from or what their opinions are. Life is slightly less stressful this way. It's kinda nice, and I highly recommend it.
Damn that's crazy.
Anyway today Trump told Americans they'll never have to vote again if he gets elected.
The right is divided up by people who have a different idea what conservative means.
Words only mean what they mean to the other person, which makes communication difficult
Nobody is denying that the right have their ideological divisions too, heck if and when they get what they want I can't imagine all those "pick me" LGBTQ conservatives are going to be tolerated for very long.
But we've seen that right-wingers are more than capable of looking past one another's differences (in the short term) to achieve their sordid ends.
Meanwhile I have watch different groups of my fellow lefties unironically arguing whether or not Iran is a more democratic nation than the USA.
It may be more prominent on the left but it's definitely a thing on the right too.
I'm a centrist who leans left (but used to be a Republican before Trump) so I'm apparently the devil no matter which side you're on. I'm far too liberal for conservatives and far too conservative for liberals.
What sort of more centrist ideals do you follow? :)
The right has this too but they all vote for their guy no matter what and don't do dumbass shit like "i'm not voting because Biden didn't do the exact perfect thing according to my personal opinion! Waaawaaa!"
Republicans are like "has Trump's head spun around 360 degrees while he chanted hail satan? No? Well then he has my vote."
This comment thread is pretty fascinating. Some downright reasonable people in here. Good on ya.
As a leftist, a lot of these issues are about civil rights and it's extremely emotional to see people suffering. But some leftists have a stick up their ass and see everything in black and white. Personally I've always tried to put myself in other people's shoes and understand others perspectives (including trump supporters, i know shocking). I've had people literally stop talking to me before because I tried asking them to step outside their perspective to understand why people are anti-abortion or think LBGTQ is immortal. It doesn't help anyone to scream at people that you are right and they are wrong. Know your enemy and you are more likely to succeed in a humane conversation.
While true, as you can apparently understand why some people are anti-lgbt I can more than understand being vehemently against those things.
Like, understand them sure. But let's not act like it's legitimate.
Maybe try different wording. Asking people to "understand the perspective" of LGBT hate probably isn't conducive to anything other than anger at you. Instead try encouraging them to figure out *precisely what* the hateful people are getting wrong, rather than just lumping them all in the box of "wrong."
Even if the hate doesn't come from a reasoned source, the people may have reasoning they use to excuse it regardless, and tackling that reasoning *can* cause people to reflect. Unlikely, but it's resoundingly better than nothing and perhaps more importantly helps prevent more moderates from *becoming* hateful.
Not Branding your fellow Americans has "The enemy" would be a good start for any leftist
You can’t convince people to your side without empathizing with them. Moderate conservatives are honestly with us on 80 percent of things, they’re just afraid of admitting that the left has more in common with them than what the Republican Party has become.
I feel like everyone on the far left or the far right see things in black and white. They both treat moderates leaning to their own side as inferior but the main difference is the right seems to have more moderates and the left has more hard core leftists.
@@paulkaehn6203
(Note: I am assuming that you're talking about America, I don't know if this is true).
I kind of feel like it's the opposite.
The only way I can think of that you could say right wingers are more moderate is that they flip-flop on their convictions a lot depending on the discussion. But this isn't a case of not being extreme, this is just being inconsistent. People on the left have stronger moral convictions. If someone hates gay people, yeah the left isn't going to just accept that and to the right - who accepts anyone who happens to be supporting their current argument, regardless of whether they agree on any moral principles - I guess that could seem like extremism.
A rightwinger who hates gay people and immigrants is willing to accept that you're ok with gay people having rights as long as you'll fight with them to kick immigrants out of the country.
A leftwinger won't accept either form of hate. They see it as immoral to do so.
But on policy the left is far less extreme. It's about leaving people alone - equality - or helping them make up for unfair circumstances - equity.
The right wants to take all kinds of healthcare rights away and has repeatedly been trying to overthrow democracy (Jan 6th, the entire 2020 election ordeal in general, project 2025, healthcare rights as I've said etc). That's pretty extreme in terms of policy.
Friendly fire will not be tolerated*
Appeared at the top of his vision after that lol
But half of the experience of being left wing is the infighting! Wouldn’t be the same without it
Me being a republican I have to say that I never really hated anyone who disagrees with certain things that I agree with or what I believe in, but I can say that liberals from certain times did hate me for not agreeing with what they agreed with. It's gotten to a point to where I just don't try to talk about things that I agree with within liberal spaces even if some things that I agree with are liberal beliefs and policies. The reason being is because most left leaning people will constantly try to find something to hate on people like me for and it's exhausting and annoying.
Almost like you deserve it or something.
@@Alex-gh8iuThank you for being the shining example of everything wrong with current political ideology. We don't agree with everything they think, I probably don't agree with everything you think, this being an example of that. We're humans, we have thoughts, ideas, influences that make us vote or ideate the way we do, rather than use these to point at anyone who doesn't think the exact same way as you as "the problem" or "the enemy" we should be working together to find a middle ground with the largest percentage of appeased populace. Pipe dream, I suppose.
The kind of 'liberals' that don't believe in free speech? We've got the terminology mixed up I swear...
@Alex-gh8iu a perfect example of why we can't have nice things. Good job
@@CrazyBarks I have no interest in coming together with people who don't see me or my loved ones as human, coward.
As a leftie... Yeah this is legit. I hate it.
Like, I'm a pretty hard line libertarian socialist, but I still respect social democrats for at least wanting to make an effort toward a better society, even if we disagree on whether capitalism is bad fundamentally or not.
Yeah, we have some aligned goals with them we can actual work towards. Abolition of the state isn't gonna happen in our lifetimes, so while we try to lay the groundwork for it, we also have to ensure the rights and dignity of people here and now too. Socdems are usually at least decent on that front.
thought he was talking football at first
This is isn’t even a joke, just the honest truth.
It’s our biggest issue and the reason why we on the left don’t have a broader electoral influence. Especially being a man,some of the more radical feminist elements are less based on equality and more on emotional rage,makes me think of the “leopards eating people’s faces party” some of the shit I see people on my side say makes me wonder if my face is ever going to end up on the menu.
Inside every good joke there’s a kernel of truth.
That’s just the kind of stuff that you encounter when you are in the home-field of a particular thing. You encounter a lot more of the crazies of that group and, for some reason, they are allowed to act like crazies without much pushback.
If you go to a rural town and you don’t check all of the right-wing check-boxes, you’re going to be in for just as bad of a time. And the few left wing people you meet are going to be cool with you not checking every box.
It feels like there was a time with a lot more middle ground, but I’m not sure if that’s true, or if it just seem that way because the internet was not stablished enough to show to everyone that it wasn’t true.
In the 90s the main political blocks were neoliberal and neoconservative. These days there are far more socialists and fascists so the gap has gotten significantly larger.
I've lived in rural parts of America for the majority of my life, this isn't true at all. They don't care about your politics other than on one issue, are you prometh.
@@andrewgreenwood9068 The Democrat party is still largely neoliberal. The parties are neoliberal and neofascist. The voters aren't necessarily, but our democracy is extremely flawed. Democrats' actions in office are more socially conservative than the mean voter's opinions.
Comment section summary:
“Yes this is so true.”
“What? No I am not going to reassess why I am a part of something I recognize as a purity spiral!”
it is on both sides. Just because some people are like that does not endear you to the other side who you mostly disagree with on your most important issues.
@@itoibo4208 Us on the right had a big purity spiraling issue in the early 2000's. We just recognized it and decided to stop engaging with them. Now aways everyone on the right who purity spirals just detaches themselves from the community after a few years.
@@ColCoaleh, the less reasonable camp on your team over on the far side keeps growing, I don't think they're quite detaching as they are radicalising
@@ColCoalthe Overton window just keeps shifting right wdym
@@tmmaster6904 I like how you try to hint that the side you oppose are nazis. You learnt nothing from the video and doubled down. This is why your side is losing.
This man gets it! I've been talking about this for years! It's also the reason why right-wing parties thrive over left-wing parties in Europe. They are willing to go into a coallition over 60% of common interests. Left-wing parties go their separate ways over 5% of disagreement. The result is that the right-wing parties more often win the elections, as they split their votes way less.
What a cool event!! I've never been to a trail race that wasn't full of awesome, helpful, cool people. And i completely agree, i gave up roads about 3 years ago and haven't looked back. I'm a trail girl through and through. I love the idea of melting down medals for charity!
One of my favorite bits of the show, so good
There is a fair bit of right-wing infighting as well. Ben Shapiro vs Candace Owens etc. for example
Yeah, but at the end of the day, nobody is calling Shapiro a centrist or anything. Left wingers always place other left wingers in doubt aboutvtheir beliefs
They fight yes, but they don't excommunicate their own and proclaim them unworthy. The Left's purity spiral is very real.
Both are fake grifters. Only in it for the money. Drama capitalizes their "differences"
@PipeRhymesah Alex had a gotcha there and you took it away from em. 😂
They pretend like the previous US republican president didn't try and get his vice president killed by a mob.
Terminally online leftists vs Real life leftists are very different
Yeah there's a hell of a lot of generalisation in these comments, referring to each side as though they all share identical views with the rest of their party
“You’ll learn” killed me 😂
Eh. Telling a right winger that your pro choice isn’t going to be a fun conversation.
I remember making a mild offhand joke about trump and thought I was going to burst into flames from the look of contempt I got
Sure
It’s the same reverse just stay away from extremist. I’m anti abortion and have gotten told off and lost friends because of it even though my actions and how I attack the problem are more neutral.
I feel like this has been eroding somewhat on the right. Since the 2000s, I've heard my right-wing dad scornfully call people RINOs.
And such an Insult and speciesist to animals?
@@TheSapphireLeo RINO = Republican in Name Only
All politicians are either rinos or dinos.
It's kind of a fair insult though. Someone shouldn't run as a Republican when they're just too moderate of a democrat to win an election as a Democrat.
@@Arbidarb in fairness, until fairly recently we had a lot of liberal Republicans, as well as conservative Democrats. The parties weren't always so ideologically uniform
Congratulations on finding the concept of the *purity spiral*
We've been talking about it since 1792.
You've been talking about it maybe. For us "uninitiated" folks, this comedy bit was funny and helpful
Who's "we", soldier?
Ok
Not everyone is old enough to have been alive since 1792.
Ooooo.
This is so sadly true- though it’s mostly online and what happens in person has gotten 1,000% worse since social media. It stops people from thinking critically or comprehensively and removes the humanity of people we engage with when they’re just a tiny icon on our screens. It feeds us isolated oversimplified sensationalized sound bites, and too many people have forgotten we can think and communicate with care and discernment. Too many people just jump on bandwagons without any intelligent thought or critical thinking behind it. It’s definitely a big part of why we don’t make actual progress and why a lot of people have gone the other way.
of COURSE it was vegans that he chose
I thought literally exactly the same thing. It’s the easiest group to make fun of without consequences
Nailed it in one.
As a lefty myself I’ve never had a Vegan get mad at me for not being a Vegan.
It’s usually only recent converts who don’t last long.
“I’m vegan today, so I’m mad at all of you for only being vegetarian- but if I eat meat tomorrow I’ll be mad at anyone who mentions the change all the same!”
Yeah I've honestly seen more hate towards vegans then I've seen hateful vegans.
@@ShadeofIce I’ve never been Vegan but it’s hard to say they don’t have many valid points. I’ve seen so much dislike thrown towards vegans. It’s strange that I have to defend them just because they don’t eat animals.
@@sweetlikechocothai Not a vegan myself either, I just see all these claims like in this video about how they call everyone Nazis and what not and I just haven't seen it. I'm sure if there are any actual hateful vegans they aren't hating because they are vegan they are hating cause they are people and people can be stupid. Nothing to do with being a vegan.
@@ShadeofIce pretty strong correlation between activists and purity tests...
this isnt a contentious point.
Activists do purity tests and thats what a vegan is.
Sure some are worse than others but its a moral standing for this point. They are all this way. Its to the degree
I once knew a left wing person who said being centrist is just as bad as being far right. It was an uneasy relationship, to say the least, knowing that a member of your friend group looks down on you and your other friends like that.
What’s that old saying? “Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.”
Look when right wing types will fight you with all your might no matter how many compromises you make, it is much more efficient to just demand the entire mile from the start.
The left wing is walking a tight rope, the right wing is the net catches you when you inevitably fall off.
Yes. If you don't hate everybody I hate, YOU'RE the fascist!
I've seen a neo-liberal vegan say that communism was anti vegan because it "reduces veganism to consumer choice" when that's literally what capitalism does. In a democratic economy you could literally vote on how animals are treated and directly petition the farmers to treat their animals better, like, you get to appeal to your entire community to boycott meat products as a group, far more effective than the current economy in which boycotts are often ineffective unless you have a lot of reach because a hefty chunk of the population can't access vegan food to begin with because of either poverty or lack of supply chains where they live. It was hilariously silly. Thought Slime did a video on it.
As I was reading I thought it sounded retarded. Then the last line cleared all doubts
True
Or ask for more cheap vegan options, until we ask and/or forcibly put fruit trees, bushes and shrubs for all, until agriculture is abolished?
@@TheSapphireLeo what does that last part mean?
Does this neo-liberal want to make veganism mandatory? Because otherwise, their statement makes no sense. It does not make sense either way, but I mean even more so. Still though, being a neo-liberal and wanting to make anything mandatory (except for living under capitalism and all that) would be hypocritical... I guess I simply do not understand this person.
Also keep in mind that neo-liberals are not left wing in any way. On the other hand, "left wing" is a meaningless and fundamentally flawed term, so I don't know, maybe neo-liberals are left wing...
I do have a somewhat similar problem, though my friend is some kind of social liberal/democrat (in practice neo-liberal with a bit of paint), who instead, everytime I try to explain that markets are driving environmental and animal exploitation, that vegan activism within the system is an extremely uphill battle and that a democratic economy actually could make a difference, she literally starts talking about the "moral value" of making the choice yourself, how reform within capitalism is ****""""technically possible""""**** and starts bringing up every mainstream red scare argument. She has recently been completely obsessed with Biden, we do not even live in America. I guess supporting mr. "Continue building the wall, subsidizing more fossil fuels than Trump and unconditionally supporting Israel" will just magically save the climate and animals. Though supporting the mainstream oligarch who fights against the one mainstream oligarch that might actually create a fascist state (or, make the state officially fascist...) might be easier than googling "Bernie Sanders". Or better yet, actually taking two seconds to learn what four of the eight relevant parties in *your own country* want nothing to change, what three actively want to make things more fascist, and which one actually might almost make something somewhat better. Or better, better yet, actually reading up about revolution, spreading awareness about it and supporting it in the imperial periphery.
Sorry for the text dump, I just saw someone who actually has some understanding of socialism (I assumed you were a fellow red, that might be incorrect though?) and had a somewhat similar problem. Naturally, I had to rant. :)
"Why I like dogs! Dogs are better people than people" Ricky Gervais. This quote just popped into my head watching this. My animals always love to greet me when I get home and are always happy to see me.
As a leftist, I would just be happy if we could at least move the Overton Window back towards center/maybe a little left…
That is exactly how cults are run.
Why don't you type 'ex-jw' into the search bar and learn up on cult survivors. They cut off your life. They dissociate you from everyone you love on the outside. They work you to the bone so you don't have time to think for yourself. They chastise you if you take a moment to think for yourself.
A diet is closer to a cult than a loose association of people with similar ideas.
😂
Both left and right ARE cults
True story, love this comment here.
Political parties are just non-religious cults the right call the left a cult just as much as the left call the right fascist
OMGOODNESS where are the right-wing folks this guy is talking about??
I’m a RINO - even though I want small (but FUNDED) government, well trained/well funded military and police, with constructive corporate regulation - because I hate Trump, love my gay friends/family, and think abortion should not be something everyone gets to vote on.
Maybe I’m not really either red right or blue left anymore.
Maybe I’m truly purple 💜 and stuck in the middle with all y’all
In a world of extremists, it's extreme to be moderate. Respect from a fellow purple independent.
Doesn't sound like you agree with anything the current republican party is trying to legislate, and you do agree with most of what the Democrat party is trying to legislate.
Maybe you should spend some time thinking about which party brings you closer to what you believe in.
@@diamondmx3076 💯 riding with Biden and a voting a straight blue ticket in my State until the GOP gets the message - or the Democrats decide they don’t want democracy either - whichever comes first
@@PurpleIrishSweater As a fiscally conservative registered independent, I feel the same way. Human decency and democracy are non-negotiables.
I highly doubt anyone called you a rino.
I was so confused at first thinking he was talkign about playing football
You're not the first person on the comments to say that.
Can you explain what "lefty" has to do with sports to a very non-sports person (and definitely a non-soccer person, if that's the kind of football you are speaking about)?
As a word and language fan, I find it fun to know when assorted jargon has the same word but different meanings.
A good example I immediately thought of is how every pride month for the past few years, without fail, people start arguing with each other over identity politics (like if people are evil because they identify as bisexual vs pansexual or LGBT+ vs queer). Like y'all please, there are bigger issues and arguing over if xyz identity is "real and valid" doesn't actually do anything productive
I am Conservative. He makes so much sense. (Minus "hating gays".) The Left has such a spectrum. And it changes daily. You have to accept something new every day. The Far Left has no wall itself. Some believe you can be "attracted to minors" and justify that. Then people who believe 100 other Liberal points won't go THAT far.
Exactly! We can have our own religious beliefs but that doesn’t mean we hate gay people. Jesus told the woman in adultery to go and sin no more, but he also defended her from being stoned.
Also, I recommend a video by live action called the sexual revolution (or something like that). The lady giving the speech made a very interesting point about how all these things were supposed to accept now are all connected to the idea of “I can do whatever I want sexually and nothing bad will happen.”
So yeah, I’m not surprised that there are people trying to make incest and pedophelia okay now.
If a vegan called me a nazi for not being vegan, I'd simply remind them that Hitler was a staunch vegan
All of that was nazi propaganda. He was not a staunch vegetation/vegan and he was NOT an animal lover. Just a fun fact.
No he wasn't lmao
@@RealFemale69I'm pretty sure he was, but for dietary reasons, not moral ones
@@spindash64He was a vegetarian for moral reasons
@@RealFemale69 If a vegetarian called me a Nazi...
Your options are:
1) Sleepwalk into fascism
2) Eternal infighting where perfection gets in the way of progress
So accurate.
When somebody prays for a friend going through a tough time online and then a fellow lefty atheist with a pentagram pfp comes in to ruin everybodys day including mine
Witchcraft is a protected religion under the U.S. Constitution, also in Mexico where I live. What’s your problem with pentagrams?
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school Pretty sure it was the "ruin everybodys day" thing he has a problem with. But I'm sure you knew exactly the type of person he's talking about.
@@down-to-earth-mystery-schoolpentagrams don't mean shit to an atheist.
OH MY GOD FINALLY SOMEONE PUT IT INTO WORDS
Plenty of people put it into words, but you're not allowed to even know their names because the woke cult will cancel you.
I finally know what's left right thingy, who says u can't learn things while watching standup
So join the right wing and enjoy the BBQ.
Well, has no one heard of "rino"?
yeah, its basically the same thing although thankfully not as ubiquitous on the right as the equivalent thing is on the left. It also is an easy way to identify the morons on the right.
Tell me your a liberal without telling me your a liberal
Um… he did say he was a liberal though? Also you’re*
@@fishstks9677he said he was a leftist, Liberals are centre right to right wing
Are you a socialist, by any chance?
What do you mean, you keep it secret?
@@RealFemale69tbf I think the more left liberals (social democrats) qualify as center-left
I was expecting a football joke, somehow.