@@HansKlopek I’d it did it only helped when you’ve got it in your system and are a wreck when you don’t. I know plenty of people that were and still am hooked on the green monsters, they can not articulate complex forms of thought and those that try generally get frustrated but that’s my experience
My only dispute is the notion that race-tribalism is somehow unique to the right. At least historically there is precious little evidence of that. The social democrat movements in Scandinavia were riddled with talk of "the aryan race" and eugenics until quite recently. The world's first "race biological institute" was set up in Uppsala Sweden with the explicit goal of maintaining and improving the aryan race. And this was no small little office. Nearly one in ten Swedes were tested, analysed and measured at the institute for explicit eugenics purposes. And sympathizing with another group or using them is NOT the same as seeing them as equal. Marx & Engels showed very little evidence that they saw other races as equal. And they have some stunningly racist quotes.
@@RW-bt6ex Actually worse in a way. This takes resources from the person who worked harder and redistributes them to the people who were less capable or just lazy.
This is what equality actually ends up becoming, but this is not what true equality looks like. For example, if I had wanted to become a doctor, I would not have had the resources to do so. The education is just too expensive for what I, or my parents could have afforded. Sure, there scholarships and grants and loans, but those can be difficult and sometimes impossible to obtain. However, if I came from a wealthy family, affording school to become a doctor would have been much easier. People argue, "You have much of a chance to be successful as I do." But that's not true. If I had become a doctor, I would have had to work three to four times harder than someone coming from a wealthy family. The time and effort that it takes to find and apply for those financial aids can be very daunting. The kind of equality we need is what gives everyone an actual opportunity to succeed in life. This often fails because of the lazy ones that just leach off any system that tries to make positive changes. Certain people make far more money than they will ever need, while some people struggle to barely make it by. I don't know what the solutions is, but can you honestly tell me that one person should have 40 billion dollars when they themselves don't even do the actual work that earns them that money?
Until recently, for many years, I was teaching physics to engineering students at a large Canadian university. In the first year class the ratio was around 60-40 men to women. By the time you get to grad school, in a Masters program, it's more like 70-30 and by the time you get to a PhD, it's about 80-20. They all have equal opportunity and are free to purse the field, and we know that they are both equally intelligent (and in many cases girls have better study habits than guys). The same goes for other scientific fields - I myself studied astrophysics and by the time I was working on my PhD in this field (just a couple of decades ago), it's again about 80-20. Jordan knows what he's talking about, the data on this is clear.
That is an excellent example and one that can easily be observed elsewhere (and in reverse, as well) if you keep a clear and rational view. Thanks for sharing. I honestly believe we, as a society, spend too much time fighting to blur the differences that actually make us richly diverse.
Both boys attend Cal State Fullerton, both Mechanical Engineering majors, the younger, a freshman has one female in his class, the older, a junior also has but one female in his class. This in a time when 60% of college and university students are female.
@@dagduesund5175so your point is that on average women are 60 percent smarter than men and boys like to play with Legos. Thank you for your enlightenment. Next!
What I love about this man is that every interviewer is in for an education. They go in so confident and try so hard to pin him to the wall and end up getting pinned themselves. I'm sure they must think after these interviews what the hell happened I just got schooled. In my country Australia we call this having your pants pulled down.
This is because he has no calculated end in mind, he is just bringing science, studies and knowledge to the argument. She, on the other hand, is attempting to corner him without any tools to do so, and thus, defeating her is extremely easy.
Yes and first of all, he has tremendous lots af reliabel facts ready in a splitsecond and has worked out soooo many scenaries soooo seriously!!! @@patriotarborist711
In America we call it bringing a knife to a gun fight. *Insert unfunny joke here about Australians not having any guns and getting ready for totalitarian socialism*
I love how she asks him what evidence he has to back up the things he says, and then as he starts to give her an explanation with data and facts to support it, she cuts him off.
Almost all women do that. You could be talking to a friend, a random girl at the store, at a bar, on any occasion and the moment you'd come to an argument and you give her facts, data and thorough logical explanation she'll cut you off or refuse to talk about the subject any further. That's the biggest problem. The entitlement being so out of proportion that they refuse being wrong by default instead of being educated. Or in another case she'll just say you're mansplaining and be on her merry way.
You don't have to be a researcher to tell your life experience with things around you. Researcher often use the data sets in a manner so they come to the "wanted" conclusion.
While I do agree with Jordan in everything he says here, there ARE reasons not to believe a researcher even if you are not one yourself. There's plenty of bad research that is blatantly false or flat out lies. For example some Covid related stuff, gender pay gap, CRT bs, gender related and so on. Just because some researcher publish something, doesn't mean it's correct. I do agree the woman in the video is wrong, obviously :p So in this specific case you are spot on.
to be fair his sentences are what would be a couplea paragraphs to most people. That is, he sets up this winding argument. It's a good argument, and worth listening to, but if you let it play out you'll only get 5 chances to talk for a half hour interview. They are also built as a series of premises presented as fact, so if she diagrees she has to interrupt him. So I'd say to intteract as peers she almost needs to do that. And I'm a big JP fan!
If you have a daughter, or mom, but especially a daughter, then you'll realize that regardless what part of the world that she found herself born in, NOBODY has the right to mistreat her for ANY reason at all...period! Imagine the guy that feels he can (for whatever reason) mistreat whatever woman it is that you love the most. What reason could he have thats good enough for you? Im genuinely curious btw
@@therhinoceros1 I'm curious why you feel your daughter has the right to kill people for disagreeing with her. What, you think because you love her that she doesn't have to be a civil member of society?
I grew up in the 90s... My mom wasn't a feminist at all, but she reigned over our lives in terror and so did grandma. I never noticed women being "powerless" in the real world where both the law and men of free accord protect women.
I have worked with female colleagues who have demanded to change their hours and the work they do (on the same pay) when they fell pregnant. They were then given 9 months maternity leave (on the same pay). When they came back they were allowed to chose what hours they worked. I also worked with a male colleague who wanted to change some of his hours when his wife fell pregnant, he was told no. He also wanted to change his hours when his wife had a baby, he was told no. The last time I saw him we had to sit through a training course on how companies need to empower women more by giving them greater opportunities.
Women are the portal to life the most dangerous job on the planet, women risk their lives to bring life into this world and men are talking about dangerous jobs, laughable. I doubt most women want to put them selves in danger when men do that to us everyday. we don't have the luxury of choosing if we want to put ourselves in danger for a bit of a buzz this whole thing is laughable incell breeding ground material. Negates the whole female experience. Germane Greer we need you back.
I agree mate. Having a child is a choice in most cases, and they get rewarded with a years leave and part time hours while someone else picks up the slack. If I decided I wanted to go do something else for a year I wouldn’t get my job held for me.
Well there's a simple solution.... all we have to do is tell our boss that we now identify as a woman and all the concessions will be ours, And if they doubt or laugh at you offer to see them in court!! May as well make the most of it eh!
Going through this right now. Welder/Fabricator and we have a young woman that recently found out she was pregnant. Shes due in Sept of this year, and shes already missing nearly every monday, constantly claims she cant do this or that, and leaves work early because she "doesnt feel good". And alot of us are starting to see the issues that are building up from it. As fairly soon, someone else is going to start doing her work for her because shes either not there or claims she cant do it. Honestly, i understand that being pregnant isnt easy, ive heard the horror stories from my sister whos had 4 children, but no one twisted your arm to work there and none of us there forced you to be pregnant. BTW we have another girl whos due in july in another department (machining) and shes only missed 3 days total since she found out.
Well he spent years as a professor at a libtard collage so that's bound to have trained him up for it, I don't know how he copes either and I'm a Christian who's meant to have patience, doesn't always work lol
She is OBVIOUSLY not stupid or ignorant. This is the problem, anyone who has a different opinion from you, you just label them stupid and plug your ears. THAT is the definition of stupid. A refusal to learn ANYTHING that doesn’t fit your world view.
Uh, because Peterson does NOT see her as stupid, she has some valid questions, not just platitudes, and he respects them and ofc pays in kind, as is expected of him. He plays along, but also: look how often he exposes himself to hostile opinion. Something he says himself: the gold is always burried at the feet of the monster. You need to talk to your "enemies", then you learn about yourself, then you gain something. This is why he has perspective, and you sit on the interent looking down on others with no leg to stand on. If you can only elevate yourself by lowering the value of others, you learned nothing from Peterson.
I thought I'd watched a different article...like you say she had a different view-not particularly strong either-and was posing reasonable questions it seemed. If this is cancel culture-and I'll admit I don't know much/anything about it-it seems a bit tame. I wouldn't be surprised if JP thought some of the comments here over the top actually.@@karlylove9791
Peterson is such an intelligent person. I love how he quickly can absorb what someone says while trying to derail his argument and counter it immediately with facts while staying on topic.
I'll believe they're sincere about equality of outcome when women are getting killed in highway work zones at the same rates and amounts as men; and men carrying a few too many pounds are being paid crazy sums to walk the catwalk to model clothes.
I love how this guy just absolutely cuts apart this woman with her own arguments and research. The fact that he has to waste his time explaining this stuff to people speaks volumes to his patience.
That's why those who oppose him will try to convince as many people as possible that he's some sort of evil supervillain before allowing them to get to know him for themselves. Otherwise they might realize he actually cares about helping people. God forbid anyone forms an opinion contrary to their "group think." That would be terrible.
@@Jonjzi - the ones against him, have not done any research, not capable of performing critical thinking, do not listen, are not capable to change their false beliefs.
Her patronising & passive-aggressive attitude is palpable.. JP is talking but she isn't even listening, she's looking at her list of traps for which to lay next... 😏
The patronizing and passive aggressive bull manure would anger me beyond reason. As for her not listening this is because many modern women are now taught they are "special" and above reproach. They grow up with a heightened sense of self importance and entitlement while adding in reason and respect not being a part of their mind set.
I almost never reply but damn this comment is spot on! I was thinking the same thing seeing JP make a point and then she quickly laughs while brushing past it and onto the next "trap" she wrote down. The amount of closed minded people that JP deals with that are seemingly almost incapable of believing there is even a small possibility that they could learn something from their conversation with JP by just using logic is astounding. Anyone in the world that goes into a conversation with an unmovable opinion and a mindset that there is 0% chance they could be wrong will never grow. If someone is not willing and open to being potentially wrong so that they can adapt their view and become stronger and smarter is just straight unintelligent.
she continuously attempted to generalize each time he drilled down - this is a common tactic of a person drowning in a debate but it's effective b/c eventually they'll reach the limit of the specificity of your research / knowledge but Pederson's depth on these subjects regarding actual hard data from Real research is extraordinary so she just appears foolish & woefully overmatched intellectually
One of the things that blows me away about Peterson is how he is such a master at understanding statistics. He knows their proper use and formulation and how to describe that. He knows what conclusions can be made properly from them as well as what should NOT be deduced from them. It aids him so much in how he presents his arguments. He isn't just throwing numbers around. He never just uses them to obfuscate a complex issue. They illustrate and prove his points. This has the effect that he knows what he's talking about where his opponents just seem to be guessing wildly and letting their desires dictate their conclusions.
Not always. For instance, he claims that more men commit suicide than women do, but he fails to mention that more women attempt suicide, but more men are actually successful. The way he presents it makes it look like men struggle harder with their mental health, when really what they are is more forceful and violent, and thus more successful at murder - their own or that of others.
@@me_rio_sola Those who "attempt" suicide and fail: often had no intention of succeeding. It's not hard to make sure the deed is done with finality. Failed "attempts" are often just other forms of psychosis that certainly warrant attention. But the fact remains: More men /actually/ commit suicide than women. I always find it intriguing how any issue concerning men has to be vetted up against weather or not it concerns women more. As if men's issues have to past some sort of contest be worth attention. Which might explain why more men commit suicide than women , hmm? Almost as if statements like yours imply that men have less worth than women. Surely you'd agree that serious crimes like murder and violent acts are often markers of poor mental health? So by your own rational since more men are committing those acts by far: shouldn't we be very concerned about the state of men's mental health? Or are you just perfectly fine with, "they're men so they are violent and evil, end of."
Actually, it looks like to me that all these woman that just "try" suicide without accomplishing, they dont really want to die or dont want to suicide either, all they want is ATTENTION, so they decide try to gain someone's attention by "trying to" suicide, but not really doing it. They dont want to suicide, they just want the "try", the "attempt". Sorry for bad english.
@@me_rio_solaSTOP changing the narrative to fit YOUR argument! Peterson clearly states with his argument with respect to temperament of Men vs Women. "That since women are less aggressive than men, which is the reason more women attempt to commit suicide than men but are less lethal". ruclips.net/video/37xVV8FKZOU/видео.html. I have heard him make this argument over and over again so STOP with the BS!
What a legend! He remained completely non confrontational throughout the entire debate and soundly refuted every point systematically. JBP is likely the most articulate intellectual of our time.
Maybe that just tells something about our time, because so many are so thirsty for more sophistication an intelligent thought. Instead of ad hominems, provide some examples. What would be an appropriate level of impression in your estimation, and who would be worthy of it?
@@blzebub2 what else is there to choose from? Lying pandering politicians and journalists? The latest victim of the day from this race or the alphabet club? JP is the only one person talking to and for people like me.
@@techromancerzero2709 You can think what you like mate, at least Dawkins & Fry can speak intelligibly aand that's more than can be said for JP. JP's word-salad is legendary.
I'm not a learned person but one part of this debate truly stood out to me, the fact that some people do not appreciate what we have achieved as a society. How true.
It's actually even worse than that. The activist groups (at least in the U.S., and I believe to some extent in the rest of the Western world as well) have actively DENIED that any progress has been made, and pretend that RIGHT NOW is at least as bad, if not worse, than things were 50-100 years ago.
I was just wondering this morning haw many young people today even appreciate, assuming they are aware of the sacrifices men made at the beaches of Normandy in order to preserve their freedom.
Absolutely right. The ignorant live a life of comfort that their ignorance disguises as perpetual and secure. Feminism quickly fades when the niceties of modern life fail.
Peterson is one of the few who take on ideas and concepts in the social sphere with a significantly reduced internal bias influencing the nature of the discussion. Not only this, but he is driven to literally find the truth, not to prove a point or to be right. but to understand all the data, weigh everything accordingly, and find where the reality is set. And it's a wonder how hes been able to withstand the millions of barrages that have been slung at him from emotional, inarticulate individuals who rarely dive deep into the subjects desperate to find that truth no matter how ugly it really is.
So true, I remember roughly 30+ years ago when the news, reporters and main stream media was the same. I miss those days when you could watch or read and actually have the facts instead of opinions based on political bias or agenda.
Jordan Peterson is just on a another level of intelligence than most people. Hearing him reason things out really exposes people to a lot of truth and shatters a lot of misconceptions.
It's more wisdom than raw intelligence. He doesn't revolutionize a field of science with a radical, new model/idea, but reitterates on the past and reminds people WHY things were and are the way they are.
“As a man how do you write as a woman?” “ It’s easy, I think like a man and then take away reason and accountability” - Jack Nicholsons character in “As good as it gets” 😉
An old but useful saying states that "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink." Being a leftist makes her not want to "drink" the water of truth, as so many are afflicted with the TRUE pandemic, which is stupidity.
It always amazes me, how a lot women who fight for equality, simplify can't comprehend, that men and women have different interest. While a lot of women prefer to work easier desk jobs and want a more work-life balance, a lot of men have no problem working at any field and have no problem working longer hours.
I love listening to Dr. Peterson making a point. It's always this journey where he brings up arguments that the other person thinks makes their point but then he states a fact that's a complete bombshell and leaves them scrambling to counter it.
It's astonishing the way these kinds of women sound so much alike. That's a sign of indoctrination. You could replace the person with another person and get the same answers.
Exactly. Its like watching the Sovereign Citizens get pulled over. They always say the EXACT same lines and they believe in their heads they are in the right but it never works out for any of them. Ever. It seems the movement is more popular than ever lately....
My son recommended Jordan to me a little over a year ago, because he knows I like real discussions dealing with real situations, and I can say he has not disappointed at all. The first thing I watched was when his daughter interviewed him for over an hour on her podcast. Brilliant discussion between a father and daughter. First the respect and honesty that they both showed to each other was refreshing, but the one thing that made me sit up and take notice was his humility to show both in speech and physically his feelings. Second I like his choice of words. You have to pay attention to the conversation, or you'll get lost if you don't know the meaning of the words and phrases used. I've been fortunate to have worked with people in the past and also studied some programs in the past that use the same phrasing, so that has me hooked right there. Third there is no apology for saying what he believes to be correct, and trying to do it in a way that doesn't demean the person who is interviewing, or that he is speaking with. His reasoning ability is very schooled and precise. When I watch, or listen to him I know there is going to be something thought provoking, and the manner in which the subject is framed will be consciously put in a way to make the audience feel at ease with the subject, even if they disagree with his position. Kudos Jordan.
Jordan is not a 'quick witted' intelligence that aims to get a quick jab. He is the plodding methodical inelegance that has a tendency to steamroll. I seen him a few times, and you see these people trying to get the quick point. You see Jordan listen, taking it in, thinking, and then responding. Also reminds me, one thing that needs to be taught more: How to Listen.
Over 60 years ago we had exactly 2 women among hundreds of male engineering students. About 35 years ago when I tried to recruit a female engineer for my department qualified women did not accept the post because the job required frequent and at times prolonged travel away from home. And yet the male engineers just accepted that as a norm. The female engineer would have earned the same as a male counterpart.
I love how at the beginning the woman immediately tries to put Pearl on the defensive by making that broad, "something terrible must have happened to you to hate women so much." when in reality Pearl is just recognizing reality.
she realized pretty quickly she fuk'd up & continuously tried the classic female surrender giggle & Pederson was like nah itch - you showed me what you are all about so now I'm going to embarrass you on your own show by intellectually skinning you in front of your own audience just so they know how much of a fraud you are - brutal & beautiful
I'm sure her husband is a total beta and she hates him for it but it is expected so she has no choice but to hate him and he has no choice but to be a beta.
She has the headphones on and is probably being fed information in addition to what she has written down, but Jordan Peterson’s knowledge and intelligence bests her on every point of contention.
that's one of the worst intellectual azz whippings you will ever see..... the lack of depth in her arguments were utterly ridiculous - a clear sign of a fraud & Pederson ruthlessly exposed her lack of depth
Dr. Peterson has taught me many things, many facts and concepts and ways to interpret data and so on, but like many here in the comments have remarked upon, it is his conversational patience that has been really helpful to observe. It is sneaking into my style and tactics of dialogue during trying conversations and greatly improving my effectiveness when attempting to convey ideas to resistant people, in particular, and generally, as well. Very rewarding, I'm grateful to be alive and able to watch, listen to and learn from this man in real time.
Very noticeable that women's demand for equality in employment rose at an equal rate to men's ability to create labour saving machinery. Being a train driver in 2023 is a very different job to being a train driver in 1886. I think men should demand women fill equal places in work like asphalt spreading, high tension powerlines, mining, blast furnaces, sewerage, heavy steel construction etc., with equal pay only on equal output to the men. No lowering of standards. See how that works out.
I agree with you 100%. 99.99% of bricklayers are men. It would take a women a heck of a lot longer to build that wall. Time is money - we all know that. One last thing - I saw a man cleaning a sewer pipe a couple of weeks ago and could not imagine a woman ever wanting to do that for a job. Ever.
I know many women who tried to study engineering (the study of things) but gave up simply because they were not interested in the subject and switched to psychology or English (the study of people). Exactly as Jordan said.
What I've come to learn about arguing with a feminist is what was said by Mark Twain; "an idiot will drag you down to their level, and beat you with years of experience"
I disagree...... maybe at the start but she quickly realized she was being throttled & searched for an escape & he literally countered every single dumb azz generalization accompanied by the surrender giggle she tried..... Ironic that she repeatedly tried the "take it easy on me I'm just a girl" giggle & Pederson ignored it & skinned her relentlessly
That would explain her reaction to being called the average women. The question didn't make any sense but I am sure she was trying to go somewhere with it.
I ran a crew that installed cell tower antennas. Good money in that because it's tough to find someone willing to work 300 feet in the air. Our project manager was a woman. She liked to bring in women who wanted to be climbers. I had some come through my crew. Most ended up being mobile tool bags at best. Had two breakdown where they just started crying and had to climb down. One actually stuck around. She's on the butch side. But as "tough" as she was, she couldn't do the harder things on the tower without a lot of help. Really slows down your build, which costs money. Essentially, you put in a bid for the job. They pay you a flat rate and you have to get the build done. A good crew can do a ground and tower install in ~6 days. When you have someone who can't do certain things by themselves, the job takes longer and everyone loses money. These are the kinds of considerations feminists never consider when it comes to the "wage gap." If you're getting $2,500 when the job is done, you actually earn more if you get it done in a week than if it takes you 17 days. To be clear- not all the men who tried made it either. But even the most competent of the women who came through weren't on par with the men. Obviously, you can get the job done with women. But it takes a lot more time, requires more tools to account for a lack of upper body strength, and costs more money for the same results.
I remember the 1st time I worked on a scaffold - it's Nothing like you deal with.... I was scared but I was more scared that if I quit my bills wouldnt get paid, my kids wouldnt eat & my wife would leave.... thats the diff between a man & a woman b/c any time life gets tough, they can wave the white flag & go find a man to live off
@Jack Zeldon That motivation was the exact same for me. I got into towers because a friend of mine was a sub-contractor and needed help. I was in a rather bad situation financially and this opportunity was a God send. First time on a tower was scary and it took me several climbs before I "got good" at what I did. But the driving force was my wife and kids and making sure I took care of them.
I worked in Masonry for a while. For a time we had one girl on the crew, she was a hard worker and pretty tough. But the upper body strength difference showed. She was actually about on par with me in terms of strength, but I am puny and would run 2 trips with half the load up the scaffolding to keep up. Any one can do anything, but to your point, it much harder to do something your not built for. So we should have the expectation that differences should show up as we pick what we are good at or enjoy. And since wages are set by necessity, it make no sense when people look for correlations there.
@Viperstriker4 To the point of "wages"- My initial post referred to when I was working for a company. New climbers were hired at the same rates. So the women were being paid the same as the men, even if their crews took longer to build sites. I ended up leaving the company to go back to contracting and they shut down in the market a few months later. They couldn't continue to subsidize the weaker crews with the work of my crew. For example, let's say a new climber makes $2,500 every two weeks. My crew finishes a job in a week. The company bid the job at $60k. Crew of 4 gets it done in a week, company pays $5k out of that $60k to the guys. Weaker crew takes 3 weeks to do a job. Now the company has paid $15k in salary for the same results. Not to mention a lot of the work is on the road, so they cover 2 more weeks of hotels, gas, per diem, etc. But ask a feminist and she would call that fair, because the women are being paid the same salary.
I agree, The title is completely wrong. She rarely shuts up, and she rarely makes an intelligent point. She just interrupts the points he's trying to make...
She is not interviewing him . She is trying to discredit him . But she fails . She strikes me as a person who is governed by ideology and emotions rather than the hard facts .
She puts her prejudice and emotional conviction as answers. She don't know how to listen or update her views even when given evidence from a professor who specialise in the field.
he nailed it at 3:38. Envy and resentment, and lack of gratitude. Kids these days walk into a Whole Foods, and they think that's normal. Not just the kids.
It amazes me how deftly Dr. Peterson handles these people! I have found them to be expert at “shifting the goalposts” mid game. Their whole argument is emotion based. So marvellous to watch This man dismantle their delusions with logic and research!
Every time he makes a comment that basically defeats her side of the debate she brings up another topic. She must have eleventeen side topics in her notes to deflect too.
It's interesting that when they showed the shots of both of them sitting at the desk Jordan had one tiny little notepad that he appeared to be doodling in and she had pages and pages of notes to look at and refer too along with headphone on to have her staff suggest answers and/or questions to her and he still ate her up!
When a supposed educated interviewers ask questions and then proceeds to talk over the answer instead of listening to it, they make it obvious that they do not care about the answer as it does not fit their biased agenda.
I don't think this was intended as a burn. It is more a statement of fact that can be applied to 'almost' every person [I want to say every person, but am hedging my bests a bit here].
Really what I took away from this conversation- specific topics aside- is that there are many many factors that play a role in every outcome, including gender gaps. Jordan inadvertently pointed that out numerous times that these topics cannot be reduced to one reason (ex. oppression & prejudice as the reason why the wage gap exists) and that within every outcome, there are many many factors that lead to that outcome. Great conversation. Great work.
He is so smart and kind, but it took him years to be him by constant real research not just watching the media. I would love to watch any of his presentations.
I met a woman who wanted to be an engineer, but wanted the office based location only so she could tell men, who worked outside in the cold, what to do, while wearing her heels. Useless. And she got away with it
As an engineer, I can assure you that is true of most female engineers. They tend not to do well in the field or at higher levels of stress or complexity. Many are very intelligent, but the differences between male and female engineers are pronounced.
@@TheHigherVoltage If you're a woman arguing this isn't a woman-only problem, you don't have a right to speak on this because you've never done a single day of man's work in your life. Which was the point of the comment. Any man who has had to work a HARD JOB with a woman knows EXACTLY how much harder you have to work and how much longer it takes. Men don't respect and follow other men in those difficult jobs if that man giving orders hasn't or doesnt also 'get down in the trenches' and demonstrate hard work. The difference between a man and a woman getting that office position is the only way a man gets it is Nepotism or HARD WORK. Women just get a degree (made easier because "we need more women engineers so let's lower the standards!" they get preferential hiring for their female privilege and find themselves getting paid to be in the office making everyone else miserable because they've NEVER DONE A DAY OF HARD WORK IN THEIR LIFE. I don't care how hard you think you work, in the top 10% most demanding jobs you can't have somebody slower or with less body strength "doing their best" it isn't enough to keep on schedule.
I'm an engineer working in Auto manufacturing plant that I won't name it. All 30+ engineers ARE MEN. Last year HR manager told me in excitement she hired two more young girls for engineering. Few month later, well, one of them quit, and the other moved to a logistics/ plan role. Here I don't want to make any points, but telling a story.
Just imagine: The ants in the Kalahari half-desert would say ... there is no justice. I want to be as big as an elephant. And I will, f... pretend I'm elephant. And I will force you to pretend the same. How insane it would be?
I for one am certainly grateful that the power house intellect of Dr. Peterson, with the integrity and courage to match, is on our side! That'd be the side of humanity...Godspeed to you sir.
@mrjordanperterson I do not have a cell/smart phone (or cell service) and I am technologically challenged, up here on the Chilcotin Plateau, in beautiful BC.
Anyone who believes in all of these myths is beyond reasoning with, at least until such time as they’re willing to be intellectually honest. Everyone can and does have ideas that don’t align with the observable information at various times, the true mark of intelligence is being willing to say “I’m wrong, you’re right, teach me.” That’s a mentality that I never see with these types while their positions are just being shredded because ultimately they fit the world to their narrative first ending up with beliefs that hold them rather than them holding certain beliefs.
gr8 post...... what you so beautifully describe can also be called Wisdom & wisdom is only gained thru suffering of some kind - any western woman can bail any time they wish, get married, let a man support her & then if she has his child she is encouraged & financially rewarded if she divorces him so they never exp the humility that every man alive endures
She was arguing just to interrupt Jordan's train of thought. Actually a pretty smart strategy. There was no way she had the intellect to stay in a conversation with him, and if she would have let him answer her arguments fully, her intellectual inadequacy would have been laid even more bare.
People who are failures or are unable to compete fairly fall into resentment. That's what drives equity initiatives. Life is tough, cupcake. Learn to cope (or code).
It's like he's talking to an arrogant 1st year uni student rather than a women with life experience, she kept nit picking these BS points like "HAHAahah Scandinavia is lots of counties ahhaha I'm so smart ahhahaa"
Wow. It's amazing to listen to someone who is intelligence and can make logical sense of data. The other person was logical, sort of, at first though was making bad arguments, but then she just stopped making sense when she asked "who is average? Am I the average person?"
I don’t see anyone owning anyone or anyone trying to cancel. I see two opposing viewpoints have a civilised, frank and open discussion. Well done to both because the truth is out there to set us free and this kind of discussion will find that truth. It’s when you close down debate that all hope of finding truth comes about and freedom is denied us all. Jordan epitomises debate for me and that is what frightens those who hate freedom.
She is so ostensibly offended by the idea of an "average woman". Doesn't she know that groups have their averages even if no one item in the group equals the average? Unbelieveable how people are willing to make themselves dumber where there is a risk they could see the error they live in.
Another comment pointed out, it's because she sees herself as above average. It's not the idea of the average, it's the idea that Peterson said in some ways she might be the average. If you ever want to know where someone's pride is, look for what offends them.
Notice that JBP would set up a very nuanced and important framework for his data and then right as he's about say what ACTUALLY happens, what the data ACTUALLY tells us, she interrupts with a new, even shittier question. She NEVER let him get his pay-off pitch after all those setups.
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The level of patience Jordan Peterson has with people spouting ignorant platitudes is astounding.
The benzo addiction helped.
@@HansKlopek Nice ad hominem! How many other logical fallacies do you use regularly?
@@HansKlopek I’d it did it only helped when you’ve got it in your system and are a wreck when you don’t. I know plenty of people that were and still am hooked on the green monsters, they can not articulate complex forms of thought and those that try generally get frustrated but that’s my experience
That's how you deal with them. The more patient and and stoic you are the more the other party shows how dumb they are.
My only dispute is the notion that race-tribalism is somehow unique to the right. At least historically there is precious little evidence of that. The social democrat movements in Scandinavia were riddled with talk of "the aryan race" and eugenics until quite recently. The world's first "race biological institute" was set up in Uppsala Sweden with the explicit goal of maintaining and improving the aryan race. And this was no small little office. Nearly one in ten Swedes were tested, analysed and measured at the institute for explicit eugenics purposes.
And sympathizing with another group or using them is NOT the same as seeing them as equal. Marx & Engels showed very little evidence that they saw other races as equal. And they have some stunningly racist quotes.
Equity is a discriminatory practice that punishes people for being hard workers and rewards laziness.
Kinda like a participation trophy .
@@RW-bt6ex Actually worse in a way. This takes resources from the person who worked harder and redistributes them to the people who were less capable or just lazy.
@@icedriver2207 ... Got it . thanks
Equity is punishing people for what their ancestors did.
This is what equality actually ends up becoming, but this is not what true equality looks like. For example, if I had wanted to become a doctor, I would not have had the resources to do so. The education is just too expensive for what I, or my parents could have afforded. Sure, there scholarships and grants and loans, but those can be difficult and sometimes impossible to obtain. However, if I came from a wealthy family, affording school to become a doctor would have been much easier. People argue, "You have much of a chance to be successful as I do." But that's not true. If I had become a doctor, I would have had to work three to four times harder than someone coming from a wealthy family. The time and effort that it takes to find and apply for those financial aids can be very daunting. The kind of equality we need is what gives everyone an actual opportunity to succeed in life. This often fails because of the lazy ones that just leach off any system that tries to make positive changes. Certain people make far more money than they will ever need, while some people struggle to barely make it by. I don't know what the solutions is, but can you honestly tell me that one person should have 40 billion dollars when they themselves don't even do the actual work that earns them that money?
Until recently, for many years, I was teaching physics to engineering students at a large Canadian university. In the first year class the ratio was around 60-40 men to women. By the time you get to grad school, in a Masters program, it's more like 70-30 and by the time you get to a PhD, it's about 80-20. They all have equal opportunity and are free to purse the field, and we know that they are both equally intelligent (and in many cases girls have better study habits than guys). The same goes for other scientific fields - I myself studied astrophysics and by the time I was working on my PhD in this field (just a couple of decades ago), it's again about 80-20. Jordan knows what he's talking about, the data on this is clear.
That is an excellent example and one that can easily be observed elsewhere (and in reverse, as well) if you keep a clear and rational view. Thanks for sharing. I honestly believe we, as a society, spend too much time fighting to blur the differences that actually make us richly diverse.
Both boys attend Cal State Fullerton, both Mechanical Engineering majors, the younger, a freshman has one female in his class, the older, a junior also has but one female in his class. This in a time when 60% of college and university students are female.
BS. Sounds like you are covering up for something to me.
@@manhandlerYou're just ignorant.
@@dagduesund5175so your point is that on average women are 60 percent smarter than men and boys like to play with Legos. Thank you for your enlightenment. Next!
What I love about this man is that every interviewer is in for an education. They go in so confident and try so hard to pin him to the wall and end up getting pinned themselves. I'm sure they must think after these interviews what the hell happened I just got schooled. In my country Australia we call this having your pants pulled down.
This is because he has no calculated end in mind, he is just bringing science, studies and knowledge to the argument. She, on the other hand, is attempting to corner him without any tools to do so, and thus, defeating her is extremely easy.
Yes and first of all, he has tremendous lots af reliabel facts ready in a splitsecond and has worked out soooo many scenaries soooo seriously!!! @@patriotarborist711
In America we call it bringing a knife to a gun fight.
*Insert unfunny joke here about Australians not having any guns and getting ready for totalitarian socialism*
I love how she asks him what evidence he has to back up the things he says, and then as he starts to give her an explanation with data and facts to support it, she cuts him off.
That's because those damn facts are destroying her narrative.... we can't have that
or those d@mn facts fried her shrinking feminist brain. imagine being offended all the time. it would be exhausting.
Almost all women do that. You could be talking to a friend, a random girl at the store, at a bar, on any occasion and the moment you'd come to an argument and you give her facts, data and thorough logical explanation she'll cut you off or refuse to talk about the subject any further. That's the biggest problem. The entitlement being so out of proportion that they refuse being wrong by default instead of being educated. Or in another case she'll just say you're mansplaining and be on her merry way.
@@nyladenrheas3773 thats anybody with any insecurities about the argument they are making…not just women
@VJ well thats the secret, there are a lot of castratos and hidden ftms. We just think everybody are these labels
A woman who isn’t a researcher tells a researcher that he’s wrong. She proves her ignorance in this interview.
She’s a clown
Typical Stupid Feminist Broad
You don't have to be a researcher to tell your life experience with things around you.
Researcher often use the data sets in a manner so they come to the "wanted" conclusion.
While I do agree with Jordan in everything he says here, there ARE reasons not to believe a researcher even if you are not one yourself. There's plenty of bad research that is blatantly false or flat out lies. For example some Covid related stuff, gender pay gap, CRT bs, gender related and so on. Just because some researcher publish something, doesn't mean it's correct.
I do agree the woman in the video is wrong, obviously :p So in this specific case you are spot on.
@Fred if there's reasons to not believe a researcher, there's even more reasons to dismiss a moronic moronic reporter
OMG can she let him finish a sentence!!!!!!!!! Thank God he knows how to handle people like this.
OMG you are so annoying
to be fair his sentences are what would be a couplea paragraphs to most people. That is, he sets up this winding argument. It's a good argument, and worth listening to, but if you let it play out you'll only get 5 chances to talk for a half hour interview. They are also built as a series of premises presented as fact, so if she diagrees she has to interrupt him. So I'd say to intteract as peers she almost needs to do that. And I'm a big JP fan!
@@bobs182
She was an interviwer...
Women in the western world honestly don't know how good they have it
You're racist
0:30 *is* *it* *just* *me...* *Or* *is* *it* *EVERY* *FELINE* *I* *have* *encounter* *brings* *all* *questions* *to* *2* *choices* *Good* *or* *Bad* *Yes* *n* *No...*
I feel like the more... *I* *communicate* *with* *this* *species...* *The* *more* *it* *doesnt* *know* *what* *its* *talking* *about?*
Its like saying for *JP* *to* *choose* *a* *Choice* *of* *Yes* *or* *No* *and* *Listening* *to* *Why....* As if it had *A* *BAIN* *to* *understand* *why...* *Especially* *the* *Journalist*
You can see clear distinction between *Male* *Journalist* *and* *Feline* *Journalist* *pushing* *its* *agenda.* I cant understand this species, I DONT UNDERSTAND THEIR LOGIC...
If you have a daughter, or mom, but especially a daughter, then you'll realize that regardless what part of the world that she found herself born in, NOBODY has the right to mistreat her for ANY reason at all...period! Imagine the guy that feels he can (for whatever reason) mistreat whatever woman it is that you love the most. What reason could he have thats good enough for you? Im genuinely curious btw
@@therhinoceros1 I'm curious why you feel your daughter has the right to kill people for disagreeing with her. What, you think because you love her that she doesn't have to be a civil member of society?
1:42 says something from *A* *Y,Y* *Origin* *of* *inbalance* *And* *u* *say* *middle?* *Do* *you* *even* *Understand* *what* *U* *R* *Talking* *About?*
Dr Peterson you are Brilliant 🙏✨ Thank you
I grew up in the 90s... My mom wasn't a feminist at all, but she reigned over our lives in terror and so did grandma. I never noticed women being "powerless" in the real world where both the law and men of free accord protect women.
💯💯💯
I have worked with female colleagues who have demanded to change their hours and the work they do (on the same pay) when they fell pregnant. They were then given 9 months maternity leave (on the same pay). When they came back they were allowed to chose what hours they worked. I also worked with a male colleague who wanted to change some of his hours when his wife fell pregnant, he was told no. He also wanted to change his hours when his wife had a baby, he was told no. The last time I saw him we had to sit through a training course on how companies need to empower women more by giving them greater opportunities.
Women are the portal to life the most dangerous job on the planet, women risk their lives to bring life into this world and men are talking about dangerous jobs, laughable. I doubt most women want to put them selves in danger when men do that to us everyday. we don't have the luxury of choosing if we want to put ourselves in danger for a bit of a buzz this whole thing is laughable incell breeding ground material. Negates the whole female experience. Germane Greer we need you back.
I agree mate. Having a child is a choice in most cases, and they get rewarded with a years leave and part time hours while someone else picks up the slack. If I decided I wanted to go do something else for a year I wouldn’t get my job held for me.
Jeez. More like giving them unfair advantages/preferential treatment.
Well there's a simple solution.... all we have to do is tell our boss that we now identify as a woman and all the concessions will be ours, And if they doubt or laugh at you offer to see them in court!! May as well make the most of it eh!
Going through this right now. Welder/Fabricator and we have a young woman that recently found out she was pregnant. Shes due in Sept of this year, and shes already missing nearly every monday, constantly claims she cant do this or that, and leaves work early because she "doesnt feel good". And alot of us are starting to see the issues that are building up from it. As fairly soon, someone else is going to start doing her work for her because shes either not there or claims she cant do it. Honestly, i understand that being pregnant isnt easy, ive heard the horror stories from my sister whos had 4 children, but no one twisted your arm to work there and none of us there forced you to be pregnant. BTW we have another girl whos due in july in another department (machining) and shes only missed 3 days total since she found out.
“Shit, he’s making a good point. I think I’ll interrupt him”
I thought exactly the same: "Now he said something that I have absolutely no answer to so I have to say something (stupid) to interrupt him."
She is trying to break his flow.
thats how the ignorant argue. Another tactic is "Im louder so im right"
I also hate when people just giggle while arguing to make their argument seem stronger and more grounded. Only fools fall for that.
It always amazes me to see the level of patience this man has in tolerating stupid and ignorant people.
Huge respect to you Dr. Peterson.
Well he spent years as a professor at a libtard collage so that's bound to have trained him up for it, I don't know how he copes either and I'm a Christian who's meant to have patience, doesn't always work lol
She is OBVIOUSLY not stupid or ignorant. This is the problem, anyone who has a different opinion from you, you just label them stupid and plug your ears. THAT is the definition of stupid. A refusal to learn ANYTHING that doesn’t fit your world view.
Uh, because Peterson does NOT see her as stupid, she has some valid questions, not just platitudes, and he respects them and ofc pays in kind, as is expected of him. He plays along, but also: look how often he exposes himself to hostile opinion. Something he says himself: the gold is always burried at the feet of the monster. You need to talk to your "enemies", then you learn about yourself, then you gain something. This is why he has perspective, and you sit on the interent looking down on others with no leg to stand on. If you can only elevate yourself by lowering the value of others, you learned nothing from Peterson.
I thought I'd watched a different article...like you say she had a different view-not particularly strong either-and was posing reasonable questions it seemed. If this is cancel culture-and I'll admit I don't know much/anything about it-it seems a bit tame. I wouldn't be surprised if JP thought some of the comments here over the top actually.@@karlylove9791
Absolutely
Peterson is such an intelligent person. I love how he quickly can absorb what someone says while trying to derail his argument and counter it immediately with facts while staying on topic.
How is equality of outcome even discussed. It’s impossible.
I'll believe they're sincere about equality of outcome when women are getting killed in highway work zones at the same rates and amounts as men; and men carrying a few too many pounds are being paid crazy sums to walk the catwalk to model clothes.
❤ everyone gets a gold medal! nobody has to lose!
@@straytarnish9443...loosing creates the biggest growth....give everyone a medal creates pussies and narcissism....js
@@straytarnish9443...loosing creates the biggest growth....give everyone a medal creates pussies and narcissism....js
But they keep trying.
I love how this guy just absolutely cuts apart this woman with her own arguments and research. The fact that he has to waste his time explaining this stuff to people speaks volumes to his patience.
And she didn't listen nor will she go home and ponder what was said. People are simply selfish and stubborn.
'this guy'? do you live under a rock?
That's why those who oppose him will try to convince as many people as possible that he's some sort of evil supervillain before allowing them to get to know him for themselves. Otherwise they might realize he actually cares about helping people. God forbid anyone forms an opinion contrary to their "group think." That would be terrible.
@@Jonjzi - the ones against him, have not done any research, not capable of performing critical thinking, do not listen, are not capable to change their false beliefs.
@@bertroost1675 ^ What Alan said. She was barely paying attention. She was more interested in her notes than any ideas.
Her patronising & passive-aggressive attitude is palpable.. JP is talking but she isn't even listening, she's looking at her list of traps for which to lay next... 😏
The patronizing and passive aggressive bull manure would anger me beyond reason. As for her not listening this is because many modern women are now taught they are "special" and above reproach. They grow up with a heightened sense of self importance and entitlement while adding in reason and respect not being a part of their mind set.
That’s the left for ya
She was so annoying.
I almost never reply but damn this comment is spot on! I was thinking the same thing seeing JP make a point and then she quickly laughs while brushing past it and onto the next "trap" she wrote down. The amount of closed minded people that JP deals with that are seemingly almost incapable of believing there is even a small possibility that they could learn something from their conversation with JP by just using logic is astounding. Anyone in the world that goes into a conversation with an unmovable opinion and a mindset that there is 0% chance they could be wrong will never grow. If someone is not willing and open to being potentially wrong so that they can adapt their view and become stronger and smarter is just straight unintelligent.
@@TheZisc it's impossible for someone to learn something when he believes he already knows everything
Every time she thought she had a 'gotcha', she didn't... Understimate JP at your peril.
She shows up with a checklist of things to try to catch him out on.
0:30 *is* *it* *just* *me...* *Or* *is* *it* *EVERY* *FELINE* *I* *have* *encounter* *brings* *all* *questions* *to* *2* *choices* *Good* *or* *Bad* *Yes* *n* *No...*
I feel like the more... *I* *communicate* *with* *this* *species...* *The* *more* *it* *doesnt* *know* *what* *its* *talking* *about?*
Its like saying for *JP* *to* *choose* *a* *Choice* *of* *Yes* *or* *No* *and* *Listening* *to* *Why....* As if it had *A* *BAIN* *to* *understand* *why...* *Especially* *the* *Journalist*
You can see clear distinction between *Male* *Journalist* *and* *Feline* *Journalist* *pushing* *its* *agenda.* I cant understand this species, I DONT UNDERSTAND THEIR LOGIC...
1:42 says something from *A* *Y,Y* *Origin* *of* *inbalance* *And* *u* *say* *middle?* *Do* *you* *even* *Understand* *what* *U* *R* *Talking* *About?*
she continuously attempted to generalize each time he drilled down - this is a common tactic of a person drowning in a debate but it's effective b/c eventually they'll reach the limit of the specificity of your research / knowledge but Pederson's depth on these subjects regarding actual hard data from Real research is extraordinary so she just appears foolish & woefully overmatched intellectually
You would have a point if what Jordan said wasn’t talking complete and utter shit
One of the things that blows me away about Peterson is how he is such a master at understanding statistics. He knows their proper use and formulation and how to describe that. He knows what conclusions can be made properly from them as well as what should NOT be deduced from them. It aids him so much in how he presents his arguments. He isn't just throwing numbers around. He never just uses them to obfuscate a complex issue. They illustrate and prove his points. This has the effect that he knows what he's talking about where his opponents just seem to be guessing wildly and letting their desires dictate their conclusions.
Not always. For instance, he claims that more men commit suicide than women do, but he fails to mention that more women attempt suicide, but more men are actually successful. The way he presents it makes it look like men struggle harder with their mental health, when really what they are is more forceful and violent, and thus more successful at murder - their own or that of others.
@@me_rio_sola Those who "attempt" suicide and fail: often had no intention of succeeding. It's not hard to make sure the deed is done with finality. Failed "attempts" are often just other forms of psychosis that certainly warrant attention. But the fact remains: More men /actually/ commit suicide than women. I always find it intriguing how any issue concerning men has to be vetted up against weather or not it concerns women more. As if men's issues have to past some sort of contest be worth attention. Which might explain why more men commit suicide than women , hmm? Almost as if statements like yours imply that men have less worth than women. Surely you'd agree that serious crimes like murder and violent acts are often markers of poor mental health? So by your own rational since more men are committing those acts by far: shouldn't we be very concerned about the state of men's mental health? Or are you just perfectly fine with, "they're men so they are violent and evil, end of."
Actually, it looks like to me that all these woman that just "try" suicide without accomplishing, they dont really want to die or dont want to suicide either, all they want is ATTENTION, so they decide try to gain someone's attention by "trying to" suicide, but not really doing it.
They dont want to suicide, they just want the "try", the "attempt".
Sorry for bad english.
@@me_rio_solaSTOP changing the narrative to fit YOUR argument! Peterson clearly states with his argument with respect to temperament of Men vs Women. "That since women are less aggressive than men, which is the reason more women attempt to commit suicide than men but are less lethal". ruclips.net/video/37xVV8FKZOU/видео.html. I have heard him make this argument over and over again so STOP with the BS!
It is equality in opportunities, not opportunities in outcome.
What a legend! He remained completely non confrontational throughout the entire debate and soundly refuted every point systematically. JBP is likely the most articulate intellectual of our time.
You are far too easily-impressed. Peterson fanboys are.
Maybe that just tells something about our time, because so many are so thirsty for more sophistication an intelligent thought. Instead of ad hominems, provide some examples. What would be an appropriate level of impression in your estimation, and who would be worthy of it?
@@blzebub2 what else is there to choose from? Lying pandering politicians and journalists? The latest victim of the day from this race or the alphabet club? JP is the only one person talking to and for people like me.
@@blzebub2 Dawkins? Fry?! I think you just revealed what your opinion here is worth, and the bad news for you is that it's a pittance.
@@techromancerzero2709 You can think what you like mate, at least Dawkins & Fry can speak intelligibly aand that's more than can be said for JP. JP's word-salad is legendary.
Her continual condescension throughout that entire interview was just proving his point over and over better than any words he was saying.
she is a radical condescensionist
So in other words she didn't fall for his false narrative. Good for her
@@manhandler which parts did you find false?
@@manhandler in other words her arguments were completely and utterly false!
Abso-stinkin-lutely! She was incessantly unprofessional. How many times did she interrupt him? Just let him finish his sentences. SMH
I'm not a learned person but one part of this debate truly stood out to me, the fact that some people do not appreciate what we have achieved as a society. How true.
It's actually even worse than that. The activist groups (at least in the U.S., and I believe to some extent in the rest of the Western world as well) have actively DENIED that any progress has been made, and pretend that RIGHT NOW is at least as bad, if not worse, than things were 50-100 years ago.
I was just wondering this morning haw many young people today even appreciate, assuming they are aware of the sacrifices men made at the beaches of Normandy in order to preserve their freedom.
Usually it's just selective equality.
We must protect Dr. Jordan Peterson. And I hope there's young people who can be like him in the future.
..make him run for presidency.
JP is a charlatan and a grifter.
You realise that Peterson is the "dumb persons smart guy" and only silly people on the internet think he's smart right?
@@AshleyShieff so what have you done?? Can you spell out the so-called dumb ideas he represents?? I'll wait ...
@@AshleyShieff sorry..thought I was communicating with a human..6 day old account..go away little troll bot...
I've never seen a woman cleaning a clogged cesspool or changing an electric breaker. Feminism ends when reality takes place.
Amen
correct. third wave feminism is a product of societal gluttony and luxury. (which was achieved with women at home.)
Feminism ends when Reality takes place.
That right there is a truth bite.
For real. Women applying for those jobs....tumbleweed.
Absolutely right. The ignorant live a life of comfort that their ignorance disguises as perpetual and secure. Feminism quickly fades when the niceties of modern life fail.
The people "feel" rather than "think". That seems to be at the heart of most problems.
The weak ones want to be strong, but they don't know how to do it. So they seek to weaken the strong ones to reach the balance.
So concise. So clear. Thank you.
0:30 *is* *it* *just* *me...* *Or* *is* *it* *EVERY* *FELINE* *I* *have* *encounter* *brings* *all* *questions* *to* *2* *choices* *Good* *or* *Bad* *Yes* *n* *No...*
I feel like the more... *I* *communicate* *with* *this* *species...* *The* *more* *it* *doesnt* *know* *what* *its* *talking* *about?*
Its like saying for *JP* *to* *choose* *a* *Choice* *of* *Yes* *or* *No* *and* *Listening* *to* *Why....* As if it had *A* *BAIN* *to* *understand* *why...* *Especially* *the* *Journalist*
You can see clear distinction between *Male* *Journalist* *and* *Feline* *Journalist* *pushing* *its* *agenda.* I cant understand this species, I DONT UNDERSTAND THEIR LOGIC...
@@tiefblau2780 "Facts don't care about your feelings". - Ben Shapiro 🤔💯
Peterson is one of the few who take on ideas and concepts in the social sphere with a significantly reduced internal bias influencing the nature of the discussion. Not only this, but he is driven to literally find the truth, not to prove a point or to be right. but to understand all the data, weigh everything accordingly, and find where the reality is set. And it's a wonder how hes been able to withstand the millions of barrages that have been slung at him from emotional, inarticulate individuals who rarely dive deep into the subjects desperate to find that truth no matter how ugly it really is.
So true, I remember roughly 30+ years ago when the news, reporters and main stream media was the same. I miss those days when you could watch or read and actually have the facts instead of opinions based on political bias or agenda.
@@DM-ll8kl Was that ever the case
Awww, look at her go. Its like she actually believes that shes smart. So compassionate of Jordan to entertain this conversation with her.
I have heard this many times and it never gets old. It is a Master Class in explaining the differences in women and men and hence the pay gap.
Jordan Peterson is just on a another level of intelligence than most people. Hearing him reason things out really exposes people to a lot of truth and shatters a lot of misconceptions.
It's more wisdom than raw intelligence.
He doesn't revolutionize a field of science with a radical, new model/idea, but reitterates on the past and reminds people WHY things were and are the way they are.
@@somederp8915you hit the nail right on the head
This conversation went right over her head. Mr. Peterson was on a roll.
He nailed it at 7:01
Lol...I was like damn what was he going to say!"
“As a man how do you write as a woman?” “ It’s easy, I think like a man and then take away reason and accountability” - Jack Nicholsons character in “As good as it gets” 😉
@mrjordanperterson 👍
If she'd let him finish a sentence, maybe we would have all learned something.
An old but useful saying states that "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink."
Being a leftist makes her not want to "drink" the water of truth, as so many are afflicted with the TRUE pandemic, which is stupidity.
Nah. Just ignore the lady and pay attention to Peterson!
She had no interest in learning anything. She has an agenda to push, that's it.
she obviously thought that her opinion was more important than his facts.
I learned something, but I'd bet a large sum she didnt.
It always amazes me, how a lot women who fight for equality, simplify can't comprehend, that men and women have different interest. While a lot of women prefer to work easier desk jobs and want a more work-life balance, a lot of men have no problem working at any field and have no problem working longer hours.
I love listening to Dr. Peterson making a point. It's always this journey where he brings up arguments that the other person thinks makes their point but then he states a fact that's a complete bombshell and leaves them scrambling to counter it.
It's astonishing the way these kinds of women sound so much alike. That's a sign of indoctrination. You could replace the person with another person and get the same answers.
Exactly. Its like watching the Sovereign Citizens get pulled over. They always say the EXACT same lines and they believe in their heads they are in the right but it never works out for any of them. Ever. It seems the movement is more popular than ever lately....
True so tired of hearing these
Whinging women.
Hence, they're often called NPCs.
@@Baalaaxa lol
My son recommended Jordan to me a little over a year ago, because he knows I like real discussions dealing with real situations, and I can say he has not disappointed at all. The first thing I watched was when his daughter interviewed him for over an hour on her podcast. Brilliant discussion between a father and daughter. First the respect and honesty that they both showed to each other was refreshing, but the one thing that made me sit up and take notice was his humility to show both in speech and physically his feelings. Second I like his choice of words. You have to pay attention to the conversation, or you'll get lost if you don't know the meaning of the words and phrases used. I've been fortunate to have worked with people in the past and also studied some programs in the past that use the same phrasing, so that has me hooked right there. Third there is no apology for saying what he believes to be correct, and trying to do it in a way that doesn't demean the person who is interviewing, or that he is speaking with. His reasoning ability is very schooled and precise. When I watch, or listen to him I know there is going to be something thought provoking, and the manner in which the subject is framed will be consciously put in a way to make the audience feel at ease with the subject, even if they disagree with his position. Kudos Jordan.
Jordan is not a 'quick witted' intelligence that aims to get a quick jab. He is the plodding methodical inelegance that has a tendency to steamroll. I seen him a few times, and you see these people trying to get the quick point. You see Jordan listen, taking it in, thinking, and then responding. Also reminds me, one thing that needs to be taught more: How to Listen.
Over 60 years ago we had exactly 2 women among hundreds of male engineering students. About 35 years ago when I tried to recruit a female engineer for my department qualified women did not accept the post because the job required frequent and at times prolonged travel away from home. And yet the male engineers just accepted that as a norm. The female engineer would have earned the same as a male counterpart.
Well, my motto in life is, when a female starts talkin'; I start walkin'.
I love how at the beginning the woman immediately tries to put Pearl on the defensive by making that broad, "something terrible must have happened to you to hate women so much." when in reality Pearl is just recognizing reality.
When they don't have a counter argument, they have to resort too "who hurt you?" type ad hominem attacks.
she realized pretty quickly she fuk'd up & continuously tried the classic female surrender giggle & Pederson was like nah itch - you showed me what you are all about so now I'm going to embarrass you on your own show by intellectually skinning you in front of your own audience just so they know how much of a fraud you are - brutal & beautiful
@@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302 I'd say "nobody hurt me you're just a fuckin cunt" I couldn't be a on a podcast or talk show
Pearl and Sidney seem to be the ONLY ONES whom nothing happened to.
How can you deal with so many ignorant fools and not lose your mind. JP is sooo patient.
he has no mind to lose, he's a blithering nutcase
That is his bread and butter and a significant part of what makes him interesting to watch.
I don’t trust this guy anymore sadly but congrats to him for being successful.
That’s my opinion though, you have yours. (:
Que dios esté conmigo ❤😂
@@kellybacelis Do you base your distrust on an understanding of what he is saying or on a lack of understanding of what he is saying?
Because he has to be that patient. He knows if he is not, that the mad tortoise will go back into it's shell.
Whenever she saw a negative point coming against her narrative, she interrupted him and went on to the next point.
Imagine being married to that?!
I'm sure her husband is a total beta and she hates him for it but it is expected so she has no choice but to hate him and he has no choice but to be a beta.
Can I take your word for it and not imagine?
@@jontest5718 haha
As a "husband", the attacks, criticisms, insults, and admonitions I receive daily begin well before I've even had my morning coffee.
@@KpxUrz5745 Get out.
She has the headphones on and is probably being fed information in addition to what she has written down, but Jordan Peterson’s knowledge and intelligence bests her on every point of contention.
that's one of the worst intellectual azz whippings you will ever see..... the lack of depth in her arguments were utterly ridiculous - a clear sign of a fraud & Pederson ruthlessly exposed her lack of depth
Dr. Peterson has taught me many things, many facts and concepts and ways to interpret data and so on, but like many here in the comments have remarked upon, it is his conversational patience that has been really helpful to observe. It is sneaking into my style and tactics of dialogue during trying conversations and greatly improving my effectiveness when attempting to convey ideas to resistant people, in particular, and generally, as well. Very rewarding, I'm grateful to be alive and able to watch, listen to and learn from this man in real time.
If she was just a BIT smarter, she would realise how wrong she is.
"I have no idea how one could conclude that!" Thanks for admitting you have no idea what you're talking about lady.
JP is a wonderful human! True integrity
Very noticeable that women's demand for equality in employment rose at an equal rate to men's ability to create labour saving machinery.
Being a train driver in 2023 is a very different job to being a train driver in 1886.
I think men should demand women fill equal places in work like asphalt spreading, high tension powerlines, mining, blast furnaces, sewerage, heavy steel construction etc., with equal pay only on equal output to the men. No lowering of standards.
See how that works out.
I agree with you 100%. 99.99% of bricklayers are men. It would take a women a heck of a lot longer to build that wall. Time is money - we all know that. One last thing - I saw a man cleaning a sewer pipe a couple of weeks ago and could not imagine a woman ever wanting to do that for a job. Ever.
The lady in green doesn't understand a single word he's saying.
I know many women who tried to study engineering (the study of things) but gave up simply because they were not interested in the subject and switched to psychology or English (the study of people). Exactly as Jordan said.
What I've come to learn about arguing with a feminist is what was said by Mark Twain; "an idiot will drag you down to their level, and beat you with years of experience"
i thought Woody Allen said that.
Either way, it's a great funny quote 😄
This woman sees herself as much smarter than she is.
Most do
I disagree...... maybe at the start but she quickly realized she was being throttled & searched for an escape & he literally countered every single dumb azz generalization accompanied by the surrender giggle she tried..... Ironic that she repeatedly tried the "take it easy on me I'm just a girl" giggle & Pederson ignored it & skinned her relentlessly
Dunning-Krueger effect. It's incredibly pronounced amongst leftists.
That would explain her reaction to being called the average women. The question didn't make any sense but I am sure she was trying to go somewhere with it.
@@jackzeldon2883 in other words he treated her as an equal... how shocking.
I ran a crew that installed cell tower antennas. Good money in that because it's tough to find someone willing to work 300 feet in the air.
Our project manager was a woman. She liked to bring in women who wanted to be climbers. I had some come through my crew. Most ended up being mobile tool bags at best. Had two breakdown where they just started crying and had to climb down.
One actually stuck around. She's on the butch side. But as "tough" as she was, she couldn't do the harder things on the tower without a lot of help. Really slows down your build, which costs money.
Essentially, you put in a bid for the job. They pay you a flat rate and you have to get the build done. A good crew can do a ground and tower install in ~6 days. When you have someone who can't do certain things by themselves, the job takes longer and everyone loses money.
These are the kinds of considerations feminists never consider when it comes to the "wage gap." If you're getting $2,500 when the job is done, you actually earn more if you get it done in a week than if it takes you 17 days.
To be clear- not all the men who tried made it either. But even the most competent of the women who came through weren't on par with the men. Obviously, you can get the job done with women. But it takes a lot more time, requires more tools to account for a lack of upper body strength, and costs more money for the same results.
I remember the 1st time I worked on a scaffold - it's Nothing like you deal with.... I was scared but I was more scared that if I quit my bills wouldnt get paid, my kids wouldnt eat & my wife would leave.... thats the diff between a man & a woman b/c any time life gets tough, they can wave the white flag & go find a man to live off
@Jack Zeldon That motivation was the exact same for me. I got into towers because a friend of mine was a sub-contractor and needed help. I was in a rather bad situation financially and this opportunity was a God send. First time on a tower was scary and it took me several climbs before I "got good" at what I did. But the driving force was my wife and kids and making sure I took care of them.
I worked in Masonry for a while. For a time we had one girl on the crew, she was a hard worker and pretty tough. But the upper body strength difference showed. She was actually about on par with me in terms of strength, but I am puny and would run 2 trips with half the load up the scaffolding to keep up.
Any one can do anything, but to your point, it much harder to do something your not built for. So we should have the expectation that differences should show up as we pick what we are good at or enjoy. And since wages are set by necessity, it make no sense when people look for correlations there.
@Viperstriker4 To the point of "wages"-
My initial post referred to when I was working for a company. New climbers were hired at the same rates. So the women were being paid the same as the men, even if their crews took longer to build sites. I ended up leaving the company to go back to contracting and they shut down in the market a few months later.
They couldn't continue to subsidize the weaker crews with the work of my crew. For example, let's say a new climber makes $2,500 every two weeks. My crew finishes a job in a week. The company bid the job at $60k. Crew of 4 gets it done in a week, company pays $5k out of that $60k to the guys.
Weaker crew takes 3 weeks to do a job. Now the company has paid $15k in salary for the same results. Not to mention a lot of the work is on the road, so they cover 2 more weeks of hotels, gas, per diem, etc.
But ask a feminist and she would call that fair, because the women are being paid the same salary.
Your post is 100% spot on. But it's grounded in real world experience, so worthless to "gender theorists" who have no interest in reality.
Where, exactly, does he "leave her speechless"? ...she doesn't stop interrupting him the whole time....
I agree, The title is completely wrong. She rarely shuts up, and she rarely makes an intelligent point. She just interrupts the points he's trying to make...
Women are never speechless. They talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk…
Ok, should have been "leaves her flailing".
Has us in the first half
She is not interviewing him . She is trying to discredit him . But she fails . She strikes me as a person who is governed by ideology and emotions rather than the hard facts .
The amount of vocal fry in that woman’s voice is grating.
Such a powerful & thought provoking discussion…. Mr Peterson is always solid 💪🏼
She puts her prejudice and emotional conviction as answers. She don't know how to listen or update her views even when given evidence from a professor who specialise in the field.
he nailed it at 3:38. Envy and resentment, and lack of gratitude. Kids these days walk into a Whole Foods, and they think that's normal. Not just the kids.
This man is correct and so far in front with being able to express that, what, many millions think.
Thankyou sir for common sense.
It amazes me how deftly Dr. Peterson handles these people! I have found them to be expert at “shifting the goalposts” mid game. Their whole argument is emotion based. So marvellous to watch This man dismantle their delusions with logic and research!
"Everything Popular is wrong". ~ Oscar Wilde
Every time he makes a comment that basically defeats her side of the debate she brings up another topic. She must have eleventeen side topics in her notes to deflect too.
It's interesting that when they showed the shots of both of them sitting at the desk Jordan had one tiny little notepad that he appeared to be doodling in and she had pages and pages of notes to look at and refer too along with headphone on to have her staff suggest answers and/or questions to her and he still ate her up!
Thank God for Jordan Peterson keep it up !,
The woman is, as usual, is amazingly unaware that she is so out of her league! cheers
When a supposed educated interviewers ask questions and then proceeds to talk over the answer instead of listening to it, they make it obvious that they do not care about the answer as it does not fit their biased agenda.
6:46 "Am I the average woman?"
"In some ways probably, in other ways not"
😂😂The greatest most understated burn in history
I don't think this was intended as a burn. It is more a statement of fact that can be applied to 'almost' every person [I want to say every person, but am hedging my bests a bit here].
Really what I took away from this conversation- specific topics aside- is that there are many many factors that play a role in every outcome, including gender gaps. Jordan inadvertently pointed that out numerous times that these topics cannot be reduced to one reason (ex. oppression & prejudice as the reason why the wage gap exists) and that within every outcome, there are many many factors that lead to that outcome. Great conversation. Great work.
He is so smart and kind, but it took him years to be him by constant real research not just watching the media. I would love to watch any of his presentations.
I met a woman who wanted to be an engineer, but wanted the office based location only so she could tell men, who worked outside in the cold, what to do, while wearing her heels. Useless. And she got away with it
She didn't want to be an engineer, she wanted to boss men around. Typical feminist.
As an engineer, I can assure you that is true of most female engineers. They tend not to do well in the field or at higher levels of stress or complexity. Many are very intelligent, but the differences between male and female engineers are pronounced.
See they should had forced her to do the labor...
I work with plenty of men who do that. Minus the high heels.
@@TheHigherVoltage If you're a woman arguing this isn't a woman-only problem, you don't have a right to speak on this because you've never done a single day of man's work in your life. Which was the point of the comment. Any man who has had to work a HARD JOB with a woman knows EXACTLY how much harder you have to work and how much longer it takes. Men don't respect and follow other men in those difficult jobs if that man giving orders hasn't or doesnt also 'get down in the trenches' and demonstrate hard work. The difference between a man and a woman getting that office position is the only way a man gets it is Nepotism or HARD WORK. Women just get a degree (made easier because "we need more women engineers so let's lower the standards!" they get preferential hiring for their female privilege and find themselves getting paid to be in the office making everyone else miserable because they've NEVER DONE A DAY OF HARD WORK IN THEIR LIFE. I don't care how hard you think you work, in the top 10% most demanding jobs you can't have somebody slower or with less body strength "doing their best" it isn't enough to keep on schedule.
Jordan Peterson needs to run for Prime Minister of Canada.
Can you even imagine him booting out Trudeau?
I'm an engineer working in Auto manufacturing plant that I won't name it. All 30+ engineers ARE MEN. Last year HR manager told me in excitement she hired two more young girls for engineering. Few month later, well, one of them quit, and the other moved to a logistics/ plan role. Here I don't want to make any points, but telling a story.
When you only know about what is written in front of you.
its impossible to argue with JP as he just sticks to FACTS
No, he doesn't.
@@TheHigherVoltage actually...he does
@@sonnyday6830 No, he doesn't. I've seen him make a lot of false claims and just blatantly lie at times.
@@TheHigherVoltage stop lying boy!
@@sonnyday6830 I'm not. But Peterson often does. And, Peterson loves to throw out gaslighting nonsense when he's caught in a lie.
This woman got older but her brain stopped growing a long time ago. Who hired her in the first place? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Many such cases.
FULL interview "2018 Gender patriarchy & slide towards tyranny [Anne McElvoy vs Jordan Peterson PhD]"
ruclips.net/video/7QRQjrsFnR4/видео.html
Just imagine: The ants in the Kalahari half-desert would say ... there is no justice. I want to be as big as an elephant. And I will, f... pretend I'm elephant. And I will force you to pretend the same. How insane it would be?
I for one am certainly grateful that the power house intellect of Dr. Peterson, with the integrity and courage to match, is on our side!
That'd be the side of humanity...Godspeed to you sir.
@mrjordanperterson I do not have a cell/smart phone (or cell service) and I am technologically challenged, up here on the Chilcotin Plateau, in beautiful BC.
Anyone who believes in all of these myths is beyond reasoning with, at least until such time as they’re willing to be intellectually honest. Everyone can and does have ideas that don’t align with the observable information at various times, the true mark of intelligence is being willing to say “I’m wrong, you’re right, teach me.” That’s a mentality that I never see with these types while their positions are just being shredded because ultimately they fit the world to their narrative first ending up with beliefs that hold them rather than them holding certain beliefs.
gr8 post...... what you so beautifully describe can also be called Wisdom & wisdom is only gained thru suffering of some kind - any western woman can bail any time they wish, get married, let a man support her & then if she has his child she is encouraged & financially rewarded if she divorces him so they never exp the humility that every man alive endures
@@jackzeldon2883
Do you guys believe in trying to aspire for the equality of outcome when it comes to justice?
I'm impressed how he doesn't get upset when the host interviewer tried to create imbalance in what he's explaining.
He knows the effect on the viewer is much greater if he stays calm.
Wow, she really started crawfishing there..."am I the average woman?
Lady, ya got nothing.
Thank God we men have Jordan Peterson to articulate the truth in the face of the feminist extremists.
The left saw the edge of insanity and jumped.
And argued they were right all the way down.
This is a conversation between a man who is a scientist and a woman who has deep feelings because she cares.
He is a Psychologist. And her deep feelings.... are just purely based in emotions.
I'll be darned what she cares deeply about .
Excellent.
She was arguing just to interrupt Jordan's train of thought. Actually a pretty smart strategy. There was no way she had the intellect to stay in a conversation with him, and if she would have let him answer her arguments fully, her intellectual inadequacy would have been laid even more bare.
Yes. She might have gone "pop" and ruined the carpet.
she is going to need more than that British accent to sound smart.
This woman obviously doesn't have the capacity to follow him.
People who are failures or are unable to compete fairly fall into resentment. That's what drives equity initiatives. Life is tough, cupcake. Learn to cope (or code).
It's like he's talking to an arrogant 1st year uni student rather than a women with life experience, she kept nit picking these BS points like "HAHAahah Scandinavia is lots of counties ahhaha I'm so smart ahhahaa"
Wow. It's amazing to listen to someone who is intelligence and can make logical sense of data.
The other person was logical, sort of, at first though was making bad arguments, but then she just stopped making sense when she asked "who is average? Am I the average person?"
This is the more powerful interview on equality. Excellent.
I don’t see anyone owning anyone or anyone trying to cancel. I see two opposing viewpoints have a civilised, frank and open discussion. Well done to both because the truth is out there to set us free and this kind of discussion will find that truth. It’s when you close down debate that all hope of finding truth comes about and freedom is denied us all. Jordan epitomises debate for me and that is what frightens those who hate freedom.
She is so ostensibly offended by the idea of an "average woman". Doesn't she know that groups have their averages even if no one item in the group equals the average? Unbelieveable how people are willing to make themselves dumber where there is a risk they could see the error they live in.
Another comment pointed out, it's because she sees herself as above average. It's not the idea of the average, it's the idea that Peterson said in some ways she might be the average. If you ever want to know where someone's pride is, look for what offends them.
@@CM-137 That is quite an overstatement.
@@viperstriker4728 I think she acts offended by the time she was asking the question already. The answer offended her even more, of course :).
@@CM-137 Agree to disagree.
@@CM-137 🤷♂
They hate him because he has the ability to make his point crystal clear
Notice that JBP would set up a very nuanced and important framework for his data and then right as he's about say what ACTUALLY happens, what the data ACTUALLY tells us, she interrupts with a new, even shittier question. She NEVER let him get his pay-off pitch after all those setups.