Stop ‘Rip-Off’ University Degrees | Good Morning Britain
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- Students and taxpayers will be better protected against rip-off degree courses that have high drop-out rates, don’t lead to good jobs and leave young people with poor pay and high debts, the Prime Minister and Education Secretary have announced. Under the plans, the Office for Students (OfS) will be asked to limit the number of students universities can recruit onto courses that are failing to deliver good outcomes for students.
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Trying to get blood out of a stone. Asking him the same question several times and get absolute rubbish repeatedly.
They wouldn't be a rip off if the tories hadn't hiked tuition fees by over 300%.
Amen
Yeah, all happening under the tories, a totally woeful 'govt'.
Disagree they won’t be a rip off to the student but they will be a rip off to the taxpayer.
Well that’s another thing…. University tuition fee should be much lower to start with. Where all this money is going ?
@@agneskrzy803wealthy people’s bank accounts, silly
Guess studying 7 years to become a junior Dr on only £14/hour could be considered "micky mouse" as well then .
Another 7 years after that, what hourly pay?
Medicine is a 5 Yr course
Are you a junior doc ?
@@bigtombowski£36.75 an hour. Average of £86k a year
I guess the two years of Foundation Programme training are being included: 5 plus 2 years
Maybe stop any courses that give us more MP,s.
Excellence. A career politician dictating what's valuable to the general public.
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No answer, he is skirting around saying which degrees. Can you imagine what he wants for tea 😢 after asking? His wife must be chuffed to bits when he gets home from work
What do you want to eat? Says wife. "All I am saying is that I need a soft palatable meal that is tasty and satisfying" but what!? " I'm answering your question, we should find something I can consume so I can be satisfied" give me an example of what you want to eat!? "Your asking the wrong question...."
If i were to invest say ...................
£36K in four year degree
£40K in living expenses
£80K income foregone in a minimum wage job
.......................... I'd want a realistic chance to earn way above the national average income.
What do you think?
@@gosskamperis2016 so the government wants to push high earner jobs that benefit the return. By enabling a job scheme vocational or caps on women studies in comparison to a stem field.
Work takes up a third of one's life. To embrace life fully : Work can be enjoyable, as well as earning a living . That is why I am still working as a Carpenter over the last 60 + years...
@@woodenseagull1899 I agree. I've always loved my job. As a non-graduate, I'm an anomaly in my profession but I wiped the floor with many who were graduates.
The last elected PM studied classics and Latin. Two subjects that are possibly the most useless courses possible. Didn't stop him being PM though.
But he went to Oxford though.
So would you prefer a PM with a GSCE in metal work?
@@paulfitzpatrick3090maybe a degree in Ethics would be good.
And the history degree obtained by Jacob Rees -Mogg - 'useless' degrees by the Prime Ministers reckoning. Eton may come into it? Mr Halton repeating the nonsense that a university education is about 'getting a good well paid job' and not education makes him patently unfit for this position.
@@paulfitzpatrick3090 Might help him understand trade and industry.
Just publish the full list of degrees and universities that are rip-offs.
Define 'rip-off'?
@@lvega5606 Yep - similar story here (Russell Group universities versus the rest).
@@trockfield4593 Anyone who is unemployed or on the minimum wage in the 5 years after graduation - rip off
@@leestalker8256 Interesting that the education minister himself couldn't answer the question of which courses the government would target as 'rip-off' degrees. Nor could he define a 'good job'. The reason for that is that he knows that there is no genuine policy intent here - it's performative politics.
I suspect the real reason that the government are getting somewhat twitchy about this, is not coming from a genuine concern for the welfare of students, but is really the failure rate for graduates not reaching the necessary earnings threshold to repay their student loans. Remember that the financial sector are major sponsors of politics and they've been lobbying for this system of loans, because they view them as just another potential financial product that can be bundled up and sold on as gilt edged securities, based purely on the fact that they managed to get these debts "guaranteed", by making them exempt from bankruptcy, in the sense that you cannot escape repaying them by going bankrupt, so in theory you have to honour the debt. However, there's one fatal flaw, which is the earnings threshold, because this hair brained scheme is reliant on the assumption that gaining a degree will deliver higher earnings, and it is becoming painfully clear that, for an increasing number of students, this just isn't happening, which is mostly down to the job market being hopelessly awash with graduates (who'd have thought that turning universities into competitive businesses would result in that?), and If you thought the sub prime mortgage crash of 2008 was bad, well just wait and see how much money is tied up in this nonsense...
The government announcement page explains that it is also concern for society as a whole, whose resources are wasted on education that is not worthwhile. It's not just students who are 'ripped off'. It is also society that is ripped off when students do these courses.
@@cinnamondonkey2397 Why shouldn't they 'game the system'? It's manifestly unfair. And why are you so concerned about students failing to pay back a few grand, when there are wealthy tax avoiders who owe billions to the UK treasury?! The student loan system is purely ideological, it's got nothing to do with cost effectiveness; you do realise that the UK tax payer now pays MORE to fund university education than when it was 'free' - and will continure to do so for a very long time!
That's a big part of it, yes.
@@trockfield4593 They shouldn't game the system because they are exploiting the generosity of society as a whole -- everyone else. We pay through taxes or through getting less in the way of public services when someone takes without doing their fair share of the work needed for our society.
Couldn't have agreed more with this
He is not answering the questions!!! My son earns £45000 per year and doesn't have a degree...he is a tradesman. Bring back the polytechnics!
Definitely bring back Polytechnic to many universities, also making sure students get help with letters and CV's with interview skills.
So they’re going to analyse every course at every uni, and then every job that every graduating student takes for their entire careers to make this policy work!? Riiiiigggghhht🤦♂️
Yes lol
How dare you be sceptical. 😂😂😂😂
Plenty of data is already available
Students, if they are sensible, already use the published data to evaluate courses. Researchers have also done it. We know there are courses that are not worth doing and the reasons are easily understood. Usually it is because they teach frivolous content (e.g. fine art) and admit students with low ability onto the course.
@@matthewleitch1
Then they came for the Actors
And I did not speak out
Because I am not an Actor (Shhhhh!)
"Degenerate art (German: Entartete Kunst) was a term adopted in the 1920s by the Nazi Party in Germany to describe modern art. During the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler, German modernist art, including many works of internationally renowned artists, was removed from state-owned museums and banned in Nazi Germany on the grounds that such art was an "insult to German feeling", un-German, Freemasonic, Jewish, or Communist in nature. Those identified as degenerate artists were subjected to sanctions that included being dismissed from teaching positions, being forbidden to exhibit or to sell their art, and in some cases being forbidden to produce art."
I missed the part where he answered the question
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Here 5:53
This is a no-brainer.
University isn't some gold standard - It's a waste of time for 90% of the people there. All the things I could have done if I hadn't been pissing around thinking I was on a path somewhere.
Where is the answer???
5:54
So you can study those courses that a government consider useful.. mmmm …. That is so close to fascism…
And this man is supposed to be a education minister 😭
Im now 83. In the 50s I completed a 5 year apprenticeship as a jig and tool maker which included 1 day a week at technical college for a City and Guilds certificate. Many years later I found myself being interviewed in Rome for a post with FAO (UN) position in Ethiopia seting up a facility for developing specialised agricultural equipment. I should say previously I had spen 3,years in Nigeria and 3 years ,Zambia on similar work.
During the interview in Rome one official asked: Why are we employing this man, he does not have a university degree?. To which another gentleman replayed. "We want somone who can do the job, not just talk about it!"
But maybe if you'd done a university degree and learned how to think critically, you might have been better equipped to make a relevant contribution to this discussion?
One of the first things I learned in kindergarden was that contributing rudeness to any discussion only ever leads to bad outcomes.
Not hard to answer the question. Any degree where people do, but end up getting unskilled jobs, or jobs totally unrelated to their degree should be deemed a rip off degree. If someone does a degree and gets a job that requires you to have a degree, then that degree isn’t a rip off. Not hard.
What about being an MP? You don't need a degree to be an MP but many members do? This whole 'you must have a job that matches your degree' narrative is so limiting.
@@theosmith5704 well ideally you get a job that requires you to have a degree (so that means the job doesn’t have to be related to the degree you studied) or you are doing a skilled job. If you go to uni, there is no reason you should be getting a job that anyone can apply for, even without a degree
It's an absurd logic given that even jobs not requiring degrees for their execution now state a degree as a condition to apply and be considered. That's the thing called degree inflation: when there's an over-supply of graduates on the market, employers feel entitled to demand university qualifications even for jobs where they would not be required.
Robert Halfon minister of state for education the WORST REPLY of ALL TIME he is on a different PLANET. AREAL PRAT
This was going round in circles, but I agree with the Gentleman; doesn't take a genius to work out a Student finishes a degree for example, but could end up or fall into a Supermarket Job. The notion is that one might not necessarily need a degree if there are jobs out there that provide the potential of training and progression. You can make your way in the world without it.
You're totally right, individuals should be disappointed if they end up working in a shop because they could have taken that job 3 years earlier without needing a degree and wasting lots of money. Of course, if they are working their way into management etc that's fair enough as they might reach a ceiling without a degree.
And that man is supposed to be the Minister of Education? Britain has really fallen....
Well either Halfron did not benefit from his degree or Exeter University his alma mater should be defunded for its poor outcomes in not giving Halfron the skills to understand or answer some basic questions. Victorian Britain when the UK was the major power was run by people with degrees in classics.
What is wrong with this man they are interviewing! Why is he being so avoidant?
This has been needed for a decade. So many courses are pointless now and getting into 40 grand of debt just isn’t worth it.
They basically just want us doing STEM degrees and that’s it. There’s obviously value in STEM degrees, but there is also great value in good Humanities courses that require a high level of critical thinking and independent thought, something that is woefully lacking in society at large, not to mention the current Conservative Party. The problem is that he focuses on high earnings, and many moral jobs or those that add value to society aren’t highly paid (think nursing, teaching or conservation)It is often the worst in society who get paid the highest. They’d see the world burn if it means they getter a bigger bonus at the end of the year.
Nursing is a STEM subject. Most of the valued teachers teach STEM. People who do conservation need to understand the science involved. It's STEM again.
The Conservative government doesn't want people (especially working class people) to be critical or independent thinkers - that's the whole point of the exercise.
@@trockfield4593 No. That's not the point of limiting low value degrees. If it was then the strategy to follow would be to limit high quality, typically STEM teaching. High quality, typically STEM degrees teach critical, independent thinking, usually better than low quality, history/languages/art degrees. If you get some history wrong you can still write your book and very likely you will never even know you were wrong. If you get some engineering wrong then the machine/system does not work. You know you are wrong. This is a major reason why sound thinking is more important in STEM than most other subjects.
@@matthewleitch1 'Sound thinking' is not the same as critical thinking.
@@trockfield4593 Sound thinking, sound reasoning, reason, critical thinking, effective thinking -- all more or less the same thing: being able to reason without mistakes and spot mistakes and tricks when you see them. At least, that's how I am using the phrase. Maths vs fine art; which teaches sound thinking best? It is mathematics. A fine art course will involve some fine art history, criticism, and maybe doing some fine art. None of these requires reliable, correct thinking or the detection of errors in thinking.
Why did he agree to go on clearly, he has no idea what he is meant to be talking about. This is embarrassing
Very cringy indeed
Why doesn’t he just answer the question? They have a policy but don’t know what the policy is lol
This is just made to target the creative sector a sector where there are less jobs because the Government didn't bother to support the industry.
lower tuition fees naaaaaaaaaaaaaa. reduce places yeaahhhhhhh
Agree for once, uni has been a joke for years and ripping the poorest off
Bournemouth Uni is just a rip off...I know this 1st hand. The Uni just takes money mostly for their accomodation. A course in Social Care for instance will not lead to a good salary! A history degree doesn't make a lot of sense either if you are not going to teach 😊
He does realise MOST degrees pay poorly once finished and that many a job wont even talk to someone unless they have a degree even if it was a "micky mouse" one.
Bro is a wiz at avoiding answers
They havent got a clue, making it up as they go and is why he cannot answer the question, which courses?
As always, no real answer to the question. These Torie MP's are so proficient at "the pivot", they might as well turn away from the camera entirely; at least then we'd get some relief from watching them leave!
Edit- This guy is dressed like a 1980's children's Saturday morning tv presenter 😅.
I was waiting for him to get out his Mallet and start bonking the presenters on the head for asking the wrong questions
@dirpitz6157 oh God! Timmy 🎉 brings back memories
The interviewers must be thick, the government minister cannot name any degree course (that's will be looked into by the regulator) he can't smear any university or course. There are useless courses out there that take advantage of students.
Did he answer a single question? And this is the guy who oversees education! 😮 Omg 😳
Exactly what’s wrong with the world- what can’t people just give a straight answer?! Ridiculous!
The policy doesn’t make any sense. If the wages, in say healthcare sector, are stagnant, does that automatically mean universities should stop running the courses in relation to that field. Where are they going to find nurses and doctors then?
The MP doesn't define a 'good' job. He hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
Going round in circles, spoke like a politician went on for 9 minutes without answering a single question.
Although it was a bit annoying that he wouldn't answer any of the questions, he understands that they're trying to trap him into saying working as a rubbish collector or shop keeper is a worthless job. And that a degree in Psychology is a worthless degree. He knows what they're doing.
My friend got a degree in Egyptology but couldn't get a job so he did a PhD and got a job teaching Egyptology. He always referred to as a scam as he was just joining a pyramid scheme. Sorry not my joke but listening to this seems to be appropriate.
Any capitalist society is essentially a pyramid scheme lol.
LOL It is sadly a spot on joke
I hate the Tories but they are right to try and limit and reduce and remove degree courses that don't lead to valuable jobs.He hasn't got the detail on this policy, but the idea is correct. One way to solve this is to ensure that every degree course must have a work placement for 6 months.That will make it easier for graduates to have some experience on top of their academic record. We need fewer universities and we need apprentice degrees that are funded to the same level as traditional degrees.Almoar every school leaver or graduate in Germany has access to a high quality paid apprenticeship or academia degree with an internship.
I think the minister was very clear. He said that ALL degrees would be assessed at ALL universities and would look at the outcomes after 15 months of completing the course. That includes Law @ Cambridge and Media Studies at Brighton. He can't give an example because the assessment hasn't been carried out yet.
This is typical GMB trying to sensationalise the discussion and to be divisive.
Exactly. They're causing trouble. He was clear.
As usual for this government it's a policy that sounds pretty reasonable as long as you only read the title, but every detail behind it is shady as hell letting them do whatever they want.
If someone is unemployed at any point in 5 years after graduating the degree should be axed. I must have cost the NHS at least 40K because of my student loan.
I love the way the grilled this absolute teabag. This government is the reason loads of these jobs don't pay well.
Basically the conservatives think too many students are coming out of university and getting paid jobs, and challenging what the Tories think.
So they want to restrict university places to those from private schools
Holidng universities accountable for teaching valuable skills and knowledge should be the motive.
It's pretty obvious that this policy is being introduced without any notion of how it's actually going to be implemented. To do what the minister is suggesting would mean tracking the career path and salary of every graduate and mapping it against the degree course that they had taken. By what mechanism is this going to happen? He clearly has absolutely no idea.
Unis already have stats on where and what jobs graduates get u cretin
it's the weekly Sunak soundbite designed to stir up division. Halton's clueless, incoherent defence of it merely confirms that if your 'useless' degree in say Classics or History is from Oxford after Eton - this is more likely to have a good 'outcome' than if you went to a comprehensive and studied at Stoke.
We all know what the Micky Mouse courses are but you are never going to get a minister say it so stop trying. When I was doing my A levels about 10% of the population went to university now it’s closer to 50%. I’m sorry but half the population should definitely not be going to university which is why so many of them drop out. Cut down on the number of courses and make sure they are higher quality.
I am fairly certain this is a sly attempt to remove opportunity of futher education from people with disadvantaged backgrounds by restricting courses with low barriers to entry.
I have no stats but I imagine that courses with low grade requirements produce graduates whom will fall into this mans ambiguous "not good job" category. However, some people really come into their own at university, but would never have the chance to do so if the lower barrier to entry courses didn't exist.
Your answer is as murky as his. Are you pointing to a disadvantaged class or defending degrees that hold no societal value?
@@WarshMeh I am pointing to the fact it sounds like the intention is to make higher education restricted to the "elite".
Compare the entry requirements for Chemistry at University of Manchester and Manchester Metropolitan University. By having lower entry requirements, MMU is able to give people a chance to improve their life whom could not possibly do so through UoM. However, I imagine the rates of graduates in the elite jobs is lower for MMU graduates than UoM graduates. Therefore MMU Chemistry could be seen as a less worthwhile course according to the minister in the interview, opening the door to further restrict entry to the course.
Tighter restrictions often mean a higher barrier to entry, restricting further education to the "elite" that managed to do well at A-level. If that was the case, my 2Cs and a D at A-level wouldn't have given me the second chance at MMU where I qualified with a 1st class Mchem.
Exactly - this isn't about actually getting rid of useless degrees. Do we think pointless subjects like theology or classics at Oxbridge are on the cutting board? No, because rich people do those. What he's talking about is stopping poor and disadvantaged people from having access to subjects that don't create wealth for people of his social class. The Conservatives see the only reason to educate the lower classes as being to provide them with higher level employees for they and their chum's companies and to generate wealth for them. Tarquin Montgomery IV can spend 3 years learning about Ancient Greece and Rome, but if Dave Jenkins wants to go to university it better be to learn how to make better drones for Tarquin's daddy's arms company.
This is social engineering - designed to keep poor people in their place by emphasising that if the upper classes deign to allow them to be educated, they have to justify it by how much money they're going to generate for the capitalist class.
Blah blah blah “disadvantaged“ blah blah blah. Look HE is for the elite, the intellectual elite. What’s the point of a degree if everyone can get one, A levels have practically got to that point now. It doesn’t matter what background you come from if you’re intelligent enough you can go to Oxbridge so let’s not dumb down degrees any more.
@@glynmellor6161 of course oxbridge is full of Rick people because they go to the best schools. The point I was trying to make is that if you are intelligent enough you are still able to go rich or poor.
It shouldn't cost you double triple 5x or 10x a year salary pay off your student loan.
This guy really can’t answer basic questions
If university doesn't cover all subjects it can hardly be called 'university'.
Monoversity
Or they could just take this up with unis and not the students?
Basically just trying to get rid of the arts…
Unless you study law, medicine, psychology, forensics, nursing degrees are worthless. My university is not interested in helping me now, they just want more students enrolled. I am one of hundreds if not thousands that have thought of suicide because of student debt.
Free (or even affordable) uni means that all jobs provide sufficient returns. Given that he couldn’t name a single actual job that isn’t ‘good’ we can assume that he thinks all jobs are.
This man sounds like he has very strong opinions about a topic he has spent absolutely no time studying. If your entire premise is “people shouldn’t pursue useless degrees” you should be able to very clearly articulate what that means. This man spent nearly 10 minutes spewing word salad.
He’s just giving a political answer to every question.
So, is it a crackdown on "Mickey Mouse Courses' or courses being taught badly?
The whole thing makes no sense.
Give us some examples!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Low skill low wage economy
Id have just said "If you spend nearly a decade of your life, and £30,000 worth of your money on a History or Engineering or Social Care etc degree, its probably because you want to work in a well paying job preferably in that sector, and if the course youve done doesnt get you there paticularly if the job market in your area is reasonably good...then thats an issue, and that course isnt up to standard"
He is not clever and a Tory, must have failed one of those courses that gets you a crap job
Who voted for this person?
Well thanks to the government there is an obvious overlook at reasons for degree courses with a "poor quality outcome". There are so many reasons this can be happening. If I had to list the reasons then we would be here all day. I am fairly certain others can say the same as well!
The two most important reasons are (1) teaching content that is not very useful -- the sort of thing people should really just do as a hobby, such as fine art, history, English literature, and (2) accepting students whose ability is low, and who are more likely to drop out, get a poor result if they reach the end, and then struggle to find employment. Those are the big ones.
I spent 10 years trying to get a business degree...I ran out of patience and money to pay for tuition services. For the quality of my dollar the institution hadn't the professors to teach the courses offered. I had fun pursuing the programs though. I didn't make no new friends and noticed ppl with a degree from these universities tend to pass away sooner. Must be stress!
I realise he doesn't want to get caught saying something that the tv presenters are going to pounce on, but there's not much point in having politicians on if they are too scared to give a straight answer. I would suggest both sides are partly to blame.
Exactly
Is he saying the there are no fall outs from STEM digrees?
I just wish an MP would answer a question !
rubbish degree courses business administration, anything with admin in it...We need to take a step back and look at what Universities are about. We should encourage a next gen of academic thinkers and researchers, not dumb them down. We've created this problem as always. FE , HE colleges and Polys used to do the more vocational courses. UNIVERSITY should not be for everyone, it should not have the same goals as a college.
Why bother doing the interview if he wasn’t going to answer the questions. Ffs which degrees?
Hasn’t every run down college everywhere been made a university now? Certainly around me.
degree apprenticeships seem really promising, i think that could be the future.
Now, I agree on principle that there are many useless degree courses in universities right now. Most of which lie in the Humanities. But this politician is the single most obtuse, pointless individual ever to have been chosen to explain his party's intentions to the British public.
"useless degree courses in universities right now. Most of which lie in the Humanities." What is wrong with people in this country? I'm a business graduate, but why are humanities "useless"? I assume you don't read, listen to music, or go to museum, cinemas or theatres....
Timmy Mallet used to ask the questions not avoid them
Rishi Sunak apparently has a degree in BS
Susanna Reed’s question was really great. “If I do a history degree and I end up working in a shop, does that make my history degree worthless or does that make working in a shop worthless?” 7 minutes 50 sec
Working in a shop isn't useless because it's valuable work experience. If you ran a shop and you had to choose between hiring someone who already had 3 years of experience working in a shop, or someone who had a 3 year history degree, who do you think most people would rather hire?
And I shouldn't need to mention that the person who has been working has been earning money and building savings whereas the person who studied history is in tens of thousands of pounds in debt.
@@FeathersMcGraw_ She is calling out the minster for implying that working in shop is worthless. I don’t think she actually thinks working in a shop is worthless. I don’t think working in a shop worthless.
@@tomunderwood5996 I believe the minister agrees with me: that it's the degree that is useless, not the work.
@@FeathersMcGraw_Oh ok. Fair enough. I guess I missed your point.
6:55 Richard reaction😂😂
The purpose of going to university or college, hopefully obtaining a degree, is not to get a job afterwards. It is to learn about the things that interest and excite you, about ways of looking at the world to try and understand it. The idea that the point of learning is to get a job is to believe human beings exist only to serve the economy. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a tech school, or doing an apprenticeship, if it means doing what you love or are good at. I think maybe what this interview is dancing around is that studying things like art, philosophy, and history are considered worthless as they do not making corporations a profit.
Society supports people in higher education for more than just their entertainment. It is so that they can do more to help others as adults. Doing this can also lead them to be interested, excited, and able to view the world in new and better ways. Art, philosophy, and history are lower value because they don't do much to make people more helpful to their fellow citizens. Our most basic needs are for food, water, shelter, healthcare, transport, and education. The need for artists, philosophers, and historians is very small indeed and the market is over-supplied.
@@matthewleitch1 Holy cats, I can usually find something in people's replies to work with- not necessarily agreeing but at least reaching towards.
Art, philosophy and the study of history exist only to help people and society. The notion that securing our material needs is our only purpose is to reduce humanity to insects. Everything we see around us, everything we know and understand, is derived from science and art, and most scientists (not all, admittedly, but most) would tell you the two are equally important.
Some folks like to think that money is the foundation of society. However money, cash, the economy, are more ephemeral as any painting or philosophical musing, and at least these creative endeavours make us who we are. As opposed to money, which is just a shadowy idea, something we supposedly "earn" doing stuff we mostly hate to buy things we could just share between ourselves anyway. As cultures which valued their people first once used to do.
@@alanhindle3149 Humans are not reduced to insects. This is just common sense. It's about priorities. We don't need as many artists, philosophers, and historians as universities are producing. They are also not as important, as helpers to others, as those who provide for more pressing needs.
One of the reasons we have too many people being taught stuff that's not really very important at universities is simply that we have a large body of people who are university instructors for these subjects. They don't want to be unemployed or lose status and income, so they argue against this kind of reform. They generate reasons why they are important, valuable people.
Another reason is that some people struggle with maths at school. If this is serious enough they will find they are blocked from studying A levels (in the UK) that would enable them to enter interesting, mind expanding, valuable degree courses later. They must choose from what is left and make the best of it. The last thing they want is to hear that the courses they have selected are not as valuable as courses available to people who were better at maths when they were kids. It's tough and I think some things can be done to help more people with maths so that more have a free choice at school and later. Put it another way, if maths was not hard then the enrollment for many 'arts' subjects would be a lot lower.
@@matthewleitch1 You seem to be under the impression that when you leave art school you're qualified only to be an "artist" making pretty pictures. Art school teaches you to think creatively. A philosophy course teaches you to reason. A history course teaches you not only the past but to understand and prepare for the future. We will always need to think creatively, with reason, with hindsight and prescience.
Also, I'm being remiss in not mentioning English Literature (and other languages), which teaches us to communicate, Theatre studies- the original artform from which every other field of knowledge sprang- sociology, anthropology, cultural studies...
What we don't need so much are economists. I'll give you that.
@@matthewleitch1 As for maths, I wonder if many physicists today would say that, sure, math is vital, but more so is creativity, curiosity, reason and the ability to make leaps in the imagination.
Maths will never become less hard, we simply more and better supported teachers with resources and time to help kids take it all in. Though frankly, if a child's virtuosity is in dancing rather than algebra, it is a double loss to force the issue.
The guy doesn't even know what courses lololol
Explanation; If 50% of students that get a degree or quit certain courses do not get employment with high enough salaries within 15 months to repay the government loans, the government will never get that money back.
They only want people who will get high enough salaries to repay their loans.
This is shocking! Think they need to rethink why people leave uni without a job. I got a first class degree but was made redundant from my well paid job I got after uni because I chose to have a baby. Now getting a job along with the huge fees for childcare means I actually have more money being an unemployed stay at home mother, living off my partners income, then it would be if I used my first class illustration degree. So was that not a worth while degree because it didn’t result in long term employment. Or is there a huge system flaw that now you’re blaming on people who choose not to do a traditional degree. I call bull sh*t!
If you had spent 3 years working and saving money instead of going into tens of thousands of pounds of debt at uni, how much better off would you be right now?
My degree was worth every penny. When I do work (self employed that is and not full time as I do have small children not yet in school) I have skills that I believe only university could have taught me. I don’t think if I’d continued working my job prior to attending university I’d be any “richer”.
You highlighted something essential here: studying and paying for a university degree isn't worth it in a low wage economy like the UK. The median (not average) full time wage is around 33k pounds a year, which might not seem bad but is far from enough to live comfortably while repaying the debt incurred to fund university studies.
Now that's for full time earners. Imagine the fate of those working part time or zero hours contracts after completing university.
But universities were never intended to equip people purely for the job market!
Do you think that young women who intend to have babies should stay away from university?
FFS…. Politicians 🤬
nice discussion, Pre degree every student willed to get job in what they have done in degree to get valued job for better living etc., but, as the correspondent in this video said is partially correct like emplyement after graduation bring value to economy,less immigration workers and high standard of living with a purpose. but, getting a degree in stream and doing work in some other field of work with less wages is not meaningful.
Isn't he just repeating himself?
I think the minister was very clear that graduates getting the jobs, not whether high paying or not... people get a degree in accounting and then they are not getting the accounting job but actually driving for a uber or delivering for amazon flex...
Who are the 'we' this person is quoting?
I expect 50% just wanted another 3 years being idle
Or because so many entry level jobs that shouldnt require a degree now do require a degree.
University degree courses can have poor performance stats (i.e. employability, drop out rate) if the course is poorly taught, but also if the topic taught has little practical value (e.g. fine art) or if the entrance requirements are low so that weak students get onto the course. Who is getting ripped off here? The government announcement page explains that it is students (though it is their free choice) but also everyone else who pays for the wasted educational time. Who is doing the ripping off? Universities, university instructors who teach low value topics, and students. Yes, students too because some of those that choose these courses do so for the student lifestyle, fully aware that it is not a worthwhile career investment and that they will never repay the kindness done to them by society.
Cor God sake listen to the lecturer on talk tv who said her class was full of malingering wasters who she was told to pass what ever
Such a plan is nowhere near radical enough, there should be strict caps and entry requirements on all university courses. What do they think will happen to the value of IT and engineering degrees if they begin to supply a glut of graduates? Private sector employment will not be able to absorb these and greedy employers will use the ample supply of labour to suppress wage growth. Unfortunately, since universities now operate as businesses with an incentive to admit as many "customers" as possible to generate income, this will never happen.
Makes complete sense
6:55 and pause...
PRICELESS
Which degrees are they? Why won't he get more specific?
makes sense, have to be able to compete with the rest of the work
The Mp provided excellent responses 👌🏽 to good morning Britain gaslighters, do gooders 🤡
Prospectuses should have careers listed in the Contents pages, THEN you can see what degrees to study.
I think people who graduate from university with a minimum honours should get the basic £21k starting salary; after all, its what SLC would have you fork out for repayments. 21k is pittance.