A masterful 500km! I like this new challenge with the older cars. A bit of time lapse, interesting finds (frozen Mirai!), a bit of munkbang...all the good stuff!
Bjorn, I think you should check the maximum temperature value because the eGolf determines the charging speed based on that. Due to uneven distribution of the battery across the car chassis, the difference between max and min is significant. I used obd11 for my 35 kWh Golf, and there I could see the max temperature. Of course, I might be wrong. Greetings to Norway!
The e-Golf starts to thermal throttle quite early, but gradually. It already starts in the 30's (for the max value which is usually quite a bit higher than the average shown in this video). So it would make sense for me to expect thermal throttling when it happened here. There's lots of info about it in the German goingelectric and e-vw forums where people documented everything and recommend speeds where the temperature will gradually fall during driving etc. No punishment points here. Just temperature based. In summer it's even worse and you can see reduced speed on the second charging session already.
Great video. Liking these ones about the older cars. I think it would really help for these 500km road trips if you added your target speed on the open road to the spreadsheet. In this case, I think you said it was 90kph (GPS) up until the last charging stop.
Would be great if you could include the top speed you aimed for on these tests if that is the main cause of the difference in time. Would be good to know 'ah, can save time and money by driving at this speed on motorway in this EV'.
At my 2020 e-Golf I see reduction to 22kW max (so ZOE charching Speed) after having more than 43°C Battery temperature. In summer this comes latest at the third charging stop.
Was looking between BMW i3 and e-golf many years ago, i choose the I3 60Ah for the punch and compact factor 😇 i like it every day. Great discover Bjorn😎
I also have the i3 - although mine is the 90Ah (33kWh) with REX. I think that Bjørn has a bit of a downer on the i3 because of a few dodgy features with the back seat. These are completely valid if you're going to be using the back seat a lot as he is with the baby seat etc. but they don't apply to everybody. Otherwise I feel like the i3 is a bit nicer.
I had the same decision years ago, and went for the e-Golf. I liked the design more, and i tested the doors of the i3, which were much to impractical for me. Th3 tipping point was the missing regen-settings, that felt like such a miss for me back then. But hey, the people need used i3s and e-Golfs, don’t they? 😉👍 - today i would like to try the i3 with the range extender, just for a week or so. I wouldn’t buy it (if you go electric you don‘t want to service an engine every year, don’t you? I% you do you can go for a hybrid, then you have the drawbacks of ice and electric cars), but trying it out would be quite cool😁
@@londonwestman1 Yeah i know about the practicality of the rear doors, btw i have two daughters, i had two child seats behind and it was not a real problem for them or me, i'm 1,8m tall...
@@erebostd The plus of the I3 is the handling in small places, mine is with the small battery without rex, perfect for small daily travels. The e golf is better for longer trips on highways despite it doesn't like have more than few supercharges😇
I would love to watch 2nd take of 1000km challenge with 2nd gen egolf. I wonder if CarScanner, achieved Ninja skills and non-freezing temperatures could improve the result.
Question to e-golf drivers: The heated windscreen, does it use wires embedded in the glass, like e-up! and some fossil Fords? In the past I read something about IR heating in the e-golf, what kind of magic would that be? I'm curious if my e-up! (1.st gen.) would also punish me for repeated DC charging.
My 2015 e Golf as small imbedded wires in the glass you can see them from inside the vehicle when you focus on it but not very noticeable in day to day usage.
Hi! Could you share what is the name of the app you use to get all those information from the car like the battery temperature? Does it require some extra equipment to be connected to the car to get all those stats? Thanks for all those videos, they are really informative. I own a Tesla Model 3 AWD LR from late 2022 and I am really happy with it.
Hello, it may be possible that one of the battery module to have higher temperature , way above 40 and because of that to lower the charging current. The battery temperature shown in the carscaner on your phone is the average
Bjorn. The ultimate EV mac daddy... I think youve done it again, we could now have another "Gate" scandal on our hands. Cold gate, Rapid gate, and now "Fatigue Gate" due to too much travelling in one day without a sufficently long break. One or two of your other viewers below stated a good fact about E-golf batteries being spaced out throughout, leading to hot spots thus causing the BCM to cut charging speed. Its technically a rapidgate but not all of the battery is hot throughout the whole pack... i assume not many people drive their egolf for more than 8 hours in 1 day anyways, so after 8 to 12 hours pf charging and discharging the battery technically gets tired. I have to try this myself.
Given the limitations on fast charging.... Would a test in warmer conditions improve the time even further? I mean, consumption should be significantly less with outside temperature of 15-20°C? So longer legs and less charging sessions?
But with only passive cooling the heat would tend to accumulate in the battery if the outside temperature is warmer. I think it's possible the temperature he's just tested at is about optimal.
You should have read the manual. VW stated in the manual for both generations of e-Golf that a maximum of two consecutive fast charges was allowed, and that breaching that limit would invalidate the battery warranty.
A masterful 500km! I like this new challenge with the older cars. A bit of time lapse, interesting finds (frozen Mirai!), a bit of munkbang...all the good stuff!
Bjorn, I think you should check the maximum temperature value because the eGolf determines the charging speed based on that. Due to uneven distribution of the battery across the car chassis, the difference between max and min is significant. I used obd11 for my 35 kWh Golf, and there I could see the max temperature. Of course, I might be wrong. Greetings to Norway!
I also think that it is due to uneven distribution. A few areas with more temp so that the BMS cuts charging speed :)
My 32kwh eGolf once throttled me to 16.5kW after 650km in summer. I also have seen 13kW in -20 degrees after a full night without charging
Can you please try this on second generation of the e-golf?
The e-Golf starts to thermal throttle quite early, but gradually. It already starts in the 30's (for the max value which is usually quite a bit higher than the average shown in this video). So it would make sense for me to expect thermal throttling when it happened here. There's lots of info about it in the German goingelectric and e-vw forums where people documented everything and recommend speeds where the temperature will gradually fall during driving etc.
No punishment points here. Just temperature based. In summer it's even worse and you can see reduced speed on the second charging session already.
Can you test the new Corsa GS? The facelift seems to be a big improvement.
I noticed this features the day i messaged you when I picked up a 2015 e-Golf 4 weeks ago
Great video. Liking these ones about the older cars. I think it would really help for these 500km road trips if you added your target speed on the open road to the spreadsheet. In this case, I think you said it was 90kph (GPS) up until the last charging stop.
Would be great if you could include the top speed you aimed for on these tests if that is the main cause of the difference in time. Would be good to know 'ah, can save time and money by driving at this speed on motorway in this EV'.
At my 2020 e-Golf I see reduction to 22kW max (so ZOE charching Speed) after having more than 43°C Battery temperature. In summer this comes latest at the third charging stop.
I get 20kW these days in -20C :)
@@Gazer75 Yeah, that's also a bummer
Was looking between BMW i3 and e-golf many years ago, i choose the I3 60Ah for the punch and compact factor 😇 i like it every day. Great discover Bjorn😎
I also have the i3 - although mine is the 90Ah (33kWh) with REX. I think that Bjørn has a bit of a downer on the i3 because of a few dodgy features with the back seat. These are completely valid if you're going to be using the back seat a lot as he is with the baby seat etc. but they don't apply to everybody. Otherwise I feel like the i3 is a bit nicer.
I had the same decision years ago, and went for the e-Golf. I liked the design more, and i tested the doors of the i3, which were much to impractical for me. Th3 tipping point was the missing regen-settings, that felt like such a miss for me back then. But hey, the people need used i3s and e-Golfs, don’t they? 😉👍 - today i would like to try the i3 with the range extender, just for a week or so. I wouldn’t buy it (if you go electric you don‘t want to service an engine every year, don’t you? I% you do you can go for a hybrid, then you have the drawbacks of ice and electric cars), but trying it out would be quite cool😁
@@londonwestman1 Yeah i know about the practicality of the rear doors, btw i have two daughters, i had two child seats behind and it was not a real problem for them or me, i'm 1,8m tall...
@@erebostd The plus of the I3 is the handling in small places, mine is with the small battery without rex, perfect for small daily travels. The e golf is better for longer trips on highways despite it doesn't like have more than few supercharges😇
I would love to watch 2nd take of 1000km challenge with 2nd gen egolf. I wonder if CarScanner, achieved Ninja skills and non-freezing temperatures could improve the result.
Great info, as always. Thanks!
Question to e-golf drivers: The heated windscreen, does it use wires embedded in the glass, like e-up! and some fossil Fords? In the past I read something about IR heating in the e-golf, what kind of magic would that be?
I'm curious if my e-up! (1.st gen.) would also punish me for repeated DC charging.
My 2015 e Golf as small imbedded wires in the glass you can see them from inside the vehicle when you focus on it but not very noticeable in day to day usage.
Yes it does
@@V10PDTDI Thanks!
How many years do you think a 10 year old e-golf will be on the road and will do it okay? 3 to 5 or longer?
Good video thanks you
Hi! Could you share what is the name of the app you use to get all those information from the car like the battery temperature? Does it require some extra equipment to be connected to the car to get all those stats? Thanks for all those videos, they are really informative. I own a Tesla Model 3 AWD LR from late 2022 and I am really happy with it.
Car Scanner
@@bjornnyland how does it connects to the car?
@@jpfarias Car -> OBD dongle -> Bluetooth -> Phone
Hello, it may be possible that one of the battery module to have higher temperature , way above 40 and because of that to lower the charging current. The battery temperature shown in the carscaner on your phone is the average
I knew about the redused charging sped... Before you did... !!!😜🤣😉
Bjorn. The ultimate EV mac daddy... I think youve done it again, we could now have another "Gate" scandal on our hands. Cold gate, Rapid gate, and now "Fatigue Gate" due to too much travelling in one day without a sufficently long break.
One or two of your other viewers below stated a good fact about E-golf batteries being spaced out throughout, leading to hot spots thus causing the BCM to cut charging speed. Its technically a rapidgate but not all of the battery is hot throughout the whole pack... i assume not many people drive their egolf for more than 8 hours in 1 day anyways, so after 8 to 12 hours pf charging and discharging the battery technically gets tired. I have to try this myself.
Given the limitations on fast charging.... Would a test in warmer conditions improve the time even further? I mean, consumption should be significantly less with outside temperature of 15-20°C? So longer legs and less charging sessions?
But with only passive cooling the heat would tend to accumulate in the battery if the outside temperature is warmer. I think it's possible the temperature he's just tested at is about optimal.
Hi Bjørn. What is the name on this ev monitor app you are using?
Car Scanner
I am here to prepare for my future, eating meals in car, at Circle K, while car charges.
Nissan leaf next for 2nd time, if all 2times then all it is :)
Gonna go Japan soon and it's going to snow
2nd gen Leaf
You should have read the manual. VW stated in the manual for both generations of e-Golf that a maximum of two consecutive fast charges was allowed, and that breaching that limit would invalidate the battery warranty.
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That is not correct. There are no such wordings (at least in the German Version of 2nd Generation e-Golf)
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What a great one! Thanks! 👍
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