No doubt! These were pretty nasty, but with some further mods to the cylinder combined with some nasty Ruko-like pins would mean this lock would still be a resident of the naughty bucket.
hi .20 year Kaba Gege service centre owner here... firstly..this is older pextra...now we have even newer..calaed pxpa... Only difference is in that black piece actually... here is itvwhat isnit for. On some part it is for picking ..and mostly for key patent. patent for pxpa is until year 2032..when it runs out ..in history there was easy way for blank key makers to make this keys (silca, errebi, jma, kl) not any more...if you look at key under magnyfiying glass you will notice it is cut in very unusual way...they have some sort of special machine for that....if you make key..that fits inside barrel...and it is not exact size as original key...you will be able to open it but only 90 degres (or 270 degrees) but not full circle...because that black plastic falls inside and i getd hooked by bottom pin if key is not pushing it back.... try assembling it with only last pin..then picking it..and rotating it will get stuck.....sorry for my english im from Croatia....oh and this locks are made in Heezogenburg..small town 50km from wienna in austria. Gege factory is there for the last 140 years .kaba bough it around 2005. itvwas called Grundmann GeGe.. love your vidz.
So basically what I learned here is A) you'll want to out this in a situation that requires at least 180° rotation for that security measure to be effective. And 1) complex keyways also help protect the company's IP after a patent expires.
nisam te baš shvatio, kako uspije taj komad zakačit zadnji pin? Kužim to, ako ključ nije perfektnog oblika/debljine da taj komadić upadne ali ne kužim kako bi to smetalo kod okretanja punog kruga? Pozdrav iz Istre
@@igorsvacic217 vidiš na videu kak je srce (barrel..mi to zovemo srce..a njemci kern) urezano di taj komad plastike dođe...ako je ključ tanji nego treba..zadnji donji štift će ga izgurat unutra (taj komad plastike) i na tom mjestu će zapet i nema dalje...možeš natrag okrenut...al otključao nebudeš...a kljuć koji će silca eventualno proizvest će morati biti tanji jer im se neće isplatiti posebnu tehjologiju kupovat samo za te ključeve...imam to sve u nacrtima i na prezentacijama su pokazivali uvečano...isto tako je bio sistem ap3000..nikad ga nitko nije iskopirao...a isteko je patent prije 15 godina...još dan danas prodajemo te cilindre inapsolutno nitko nemoze kopiju napravitikeeini problem je da na zadnja tri mjsta nemože dubli štift od 6..pa su zato to napustili .nemožeš složit sustav veći od recimo oko 100 vrata...
One can feel the LPL got you inspired to have a really good second look at your naughty bucket. I really love the story behind this pick. The fact the seller snuffed you out and decided to make a challenge lock out of it specially for you is just funny. I do feel you owe him one of your give away locks just for the effort he made and the fact it has been there for so long. Maybe a little pay back time too and return the favor to him by a little modifications of your own:)!!
That is probably true, I had neglected to try out some of the new tools & picks I had made on some of the older residents of the naughty bucket. It is nice to see that technology and innovation has made previously "impossible" locks possible.
I think that black side pin (when you pick that lock and key is not inserted) is for preventing you to not rotate the core all the way. So the driver pin catch up that groove and you can't rotate that core anymore.
That random pin is probably just random extra anti-drill protection. Just when you think you're about to drill the rest of it out... BAM! you're hitting that too...
Another great video! Thanks, Bill! Also, i've noticed from this and previous videos the jinglebellsy sound-thingy has vanished! Great picking job. Thx again.
gege is one of many brands owned by kaba (now called dormakaba after dorma and kaba joined forces last year) Kaba has since improved on the pExtra series (to prolong the patent) with the pExtra plus, basically the same parts and keyways but with one magnetic driverpin on top of a steel pin in one of the chambers, this has no effect on picking though but it prevents bumping. Good work on this one, these are tricky with their great tolerances and almost no feedback. Keep it up!
I love this GE-GEs The Housingpin on number 4 does NOT go completely in the hole of te core, it protects again PUMPiN' The Pin at 13:25 is a Controlpin that the Key has the komplete fully Profil. If the Key is to small the housingpin traps the core in 90° position. And the key has a undercut so it is not able to produce keyblanks with a milling-mashine "Eeasy-Entrie" ... 99% of the usually Cylinders have tho big weaknises, Bumpin' and unautorized key-Blanks ... these GeGe is protectet again both
If you turn the key approx 90 degrees from the vertical in the little dished depression then turn the key vertically the key will enter the barrel easily. :)
Could that black plug be a magnet set just far enough from that side pin to work through the key while it's inserted to pull the side pin inside of the core? Just a thought
Nice job Bill, I am continually impressed (and jealous) of your picking skill, guess I need to keep at it! No substitue for the right tool, and a quality tool (noticed the Multipick tension tool. Still a fanboy over my new Elite Super kit). Thanks as always Bill!
In my opinion this additional black pin could be a break. If locksmith would pick a lock sometimes he uses spring gun to fast rotate core again (if lock is locked twice just to save time and not picking second tome). When using it the centrifugal force will push this pin outside blocking mechanism or just break the rotation? (forgive my gramar)
awesome locks from sks. i have a few of these out there, been out a while now from gege, i do have a maxus pro i will send to you, i WONT BE MUMMIFYING THE KEY LIKE I DID LAST TIME!
I went to Rare Element web page and could not add anything to my cart. And everything was a year or older in reply’s. Can you still buy stuff from them or?.
Fantastic picking. That's a beautiful lock. Also I appreciate what you said about having the right tools, If you cant get in the lock, your skill really doesn't matter that much.
More and more I find myself having to fashion custom tools and tensioners, or improvise how I use standard tools. I have a couple of videos coming where, for the first time, I find a non-traditional use for a large half diamond. Maybe later this week...😀
Wow your so famous you can't Shop on eBay with out getting spotted 😁 But that is one awesome lock and extreme bitting. Just do some more mods to it and send it to LPL as a challenge lock 😁😁😉. I hope the new challenge locks I sent you arrive safely. And the little gift I included 😁. Till next time Sir. 👍👍👍🤘🤘🤘🍻
If the little black nub is plastic, its probably a friction brake to put drag on the cylinder. If there is an angle on it, it might place more friction in one direction.
it looks to me like the tip of the key is thinned out - if you put a key that had the same thickness all over it would push that "big" pin into the bible (is it called?)
You can't search for someone on eBay. I've tried looking for vendors but it doesn't work. Anyway, they added a default underscore and a single digit to the end of mine because I didn't want to reuse an account I had years ago and had forgotten about. So you can try that or you can look for the vendor and see if Bill left feedback. :)
Hey bill I reckon u should re review the h&h kit as I reckon I no why sum the rakes look strange n double sided there really good for rocking open locks they give u an axle to pivot on ,hope ur good bill
Great video, I hope my challenge lock got to you safely in the envelope on the front of the package does have a letter in it though so please be careful with it
With different pinning I've a feeling the locksmith might have kept you out, the keyway would keep the rest of us out.
No doubt! These were pretty nasty, but with some further mods to the cylinder combined with some nasty Ruko-like pins would mean this lock would still be a resident of the naughty bucket.
I agree, pretty much the only challenge locks I've had to pass on where such I could not get a pick in them.
@@bosnianbill you'll be picking with tinfoil soon ;) very well done.
hi .20 year Kaba Gege service centre owner here... firstly..this is older pextra...now we have even newer..calaed pxpa... Only difference is in that black piece actually... here is itvwhat isnit for. On some part it is for picking ..and mostly for key patent. patent for pxpa is until year 2032..when it runs out ..in history there was easy way for blank key makers to make this keys (silca, errebi, jma, kl) not any more...if you look at key under magnyfiying glass you will notice it is cut in very unusual way...they have some sort of special machine for that....if you make key..that fits inside barrel...and it is not exact size as original key...you will be able to open it but only 90 degres (or 270 degrees) but not full circle...because that black plastic falls inside and i getd hooked by bottom pin if key is not pushing it back.... try assembling it with only last pin..then picking it..and rotating it will get stuck.....sorry for my english im from Croatia....oh and this locks are made in Heezogenburg..small town 50km from wienna in austria. Gege factory is there for the last 140 years .kaba bough it around 2005. itvwas called Grundmann GeGe.. love your vidz.
Your English is spot on, and We'll Done with your Answer. Now I know what the black bits for and everyone else will..Good Job.
So basically what I learned here is
A) you'll want to out this in a situation that requires at least 180° rotation for that security measure to be effective. And
1) complex keyways also help protect the company's IP after a patent expires.
nisam te baš shvatio, kako uspije taj komad zakačit zadnji pin? Kužim to, ako ključ nije perfektnog oblika/debljine da taj komadić upadne ali ne kužim kako bi to smetalo kod okretanja punog kruga?
Pozdrav iz Istre
Interesting. Thanks for sharing
@@igorsvacic217 vidiš na videu kak je srce (barrel..mi to zovemo srce..a njemci kern) urezano di taj komad plastike dođe...ako je ključ tanji nego treba..zadnji donji štift će ga izgurat unutra (taj komad plastike) i na tom mjestu će zapet i nema dalje...možeš natrag okrenut...al otključao nebudeš...a kljuć koji će silca eventualno proizvest će morati biti tanji jer im se neće isplatiti posebnu tehjologiju kupovat samo za te ključeve...imam to sve u nacrtima i na prezentacijama su pokazivali uvečano...isto tako je bio sistem ap3000..nikad ga nitko nije iskopirao...a isteko je patent prije 15 godina...još dan danas prodajemo te cilindre inapsolutno nitko nemoze kopiju napravitikeeini problem je da na zadnja tri mjsta nemože dubli štift od 6..pa su zato to napustili .nemožeš složit sustav veći od recimo oko 100 vrata...
"Like trying to pick a bucket of BBs" I love the mental imagery and somehow familiar with the sensation.
It's was Perfect !
Hard lock !
I burst out laughing when I saw the bitting. Too funny!
i have to admit i do enjoy watching these videos, narration is on point with the quality of entertainment in the videos
One can feel the LPL got you inspired to have a really good second look at your naughty bucket. I really love the story behind this pick. The fact the seller snuffed you out and decided to make a challenge lock out of it specially for you is just funny. I do feel you owe him one of your give away locks just for the effort he made and the fact it has been there for so long.
Maybe a little pay back time too and return the favor to him by a little modifications of your own:)!!
That is probably true, I had neglected to try out some of the new tools & picks I had made on some of the older residents of the naughty bucket. It is nice to see that technology and innovation has made previously "impossible" locks possible.
Nicely done Bill, great lock to
The rear side pin is retained by a dovetail type cut in the key warding. This prevents the pin from grabbing (probably in a clockwise direction only).
*_Hey Bill, can we see ALL the locks in your "Naughty Bucket"? I'd love to see em all in there just mocking you. :P_*
İyiki Türkiye'de senin kadar yetenekli hırsız yok çünkü benim kilidim de açtığın kilidin aynısı.
I just re-discovered a GeGe pExtra euro cylinder in my collection! Nice job.
Props to that locksmith, that's awesome :D
is there any lock, which you have not able to unlock
I think that black side pin (when you pick that lock and key is not inserted) is for preventing you to not rotate the core all the way. So the driver pin catch up that groove and you can't rotate that core anymore.
Interesting lock, Great pick keep having fun.
That last pin might be to hold a jig that cuts the undercuts then they just fill the hole to ensure it doesn’t snag.
That random pin is probably just random extra anti-drill protection. Just when you think you're about to drill the rest of it out... BAM! you're hitting that too...
Another great video! Thanks, Bill! Also, i've noticed from this and previous videos the jinglebellsy sound-thingy has vanished! Great picking job. Thx again.
Nice one. I was expecting alot more out of it.
So...is this safe lock or not?
Excellent craftsmanship. Great pickin' Bill
gege is one of many brands owned by kaba (now called dormakaba after dorma and kaba joined forces last year)
Kaba has since improved on the pExtra series (to prolong the patent) with the pExtra plus, basically the same parts and keyways but with one magnetic driverpin on top of a steel pin in one of the chambers, this has no effect on picking though but it prevents bumping.
Good work on this one, these are tricky with their great tolerances and almost no feedback.
Keep it up!
Hmmm.... those rare element pick's man. On the wishlist now :) Great job!
Never seen one picked so well done ;)
I love this GE-GEs
The Housingpin on number 4 does NOT go completely in the hole of te core, it protects again PUMPiN'
The Pin at 13:25 is a Controlpin that the Key has the komplete fully Profil. If the Key is to small the housingpin traps the core in 90° position.
And the key has a undercut so it is not able to produce keyblanks with a milling-mashine "Eeasy-Entrie" ...
99% of the usually Cylinders have tho big weaknises, Bumpin' and unautorized key-Blanks ... these GeGe is protectet again both
If you turn the key approx 90 degrees from the vertical in the little dished depression then turn the key vertically the key will enter the barrel easily. :)
Could that black plug be a magnet set just far enough from that side pin to work through the key while it's inserted to pull the side pin inside of the core? Just a thought
Nice job Bill, I am continually impressed (and jealous) of your picking skill, guess I need to keep at it! No substitue for the right tool, and a quality tool (noticed the Multipick tension tool. Still a fanboy over my new Elite Super kit). Thanks as always Bill!
i should have read brkix's comment
In my opinion this additional black pin could be a break. If locksmith would pick a lock sometimes he uses spring gun to fast rotate core again (if lock is locked twice just to save time and not picking second tome). When using it the centrifugal force will push this pin outside blocking mechanism or just break the rotation? (forgive my gramar)
awesome locks from sks.
i have a few of these out there, been out a while now from gege,
i do have a maxus pro i will send to you, i WONT BE MUMMIFYING THE KEY LIKE I DID LAST TIME!
I went to Rare Element web page and could not add anything to my cart. And everything was a year or older in reply’s. Can you still buy stuff from them or?.
Fantastic picking. That's a beautiful lock. Also I appreciate what you said about having the right tools, If you cant get in the lock, your skill really doesn't matter that much.
More and more I find myself having to fashion custom tools and tensioners, or improvise how I use standard tools. I have a couple of videos coming where, for the first time, I find a non-traditional use for a large half diamond. Maybe later this week...😀
Top chambers pinned up different to kaba specs. Should have had at least one more long double spool
Is that a magnet that interacts with the steel pin?
What pushes the passive pin in the cut on the key? Is it a magnetic pin? I can't see any other answer that makes sense.
Simple compression when you twist the key. The head of the pin is rounded.
End music scare the sh** out of me when it started, lol.
Nice pick, I don't think the take would have ever done you much of a favor with that biting.
Nice pinning. Bill is too smart for any rascally wabbit.
just thinking if anyone was going to buy a lock, would you say that we should look at the key to see if it has high pins?
Ye Gods Bill, that bitting is truly evil... :-)
Was the plug just a flat spot to drill out the side pin hole? Looks like they were lined up.
Does that small plug look to be made out of hardened plate? It may be an anti drill out pin?
Ok. But if you don't know how is the key, you can not discover the trick lateral pin.
well bill cool picked well done nice lock ide like to have a go at picking it myself any ways keep up the cool work thanks stiglocks..r..
my guess, that last piece was some sort of anti bump wedge, perhaps?
Wow your so famous you can't Shop on eBay with out getting spotted 😁 But that is one awesome lock and extreme bitting. Just do some more mods to it and send it to LPL as a challenge lock 😁😁😉. I hope the new challenge locks I sent you arrive safely. And the little gift I included 😁. Till next time Sir. 👍👍👍🤘🤘🤘🍻
If the little black nub is plastic, its probably a friction brake to put drag on the cylinder. If there is an angle on it, it might place more friction in one direction.
I was thinking the same thing
it looks to me like the tip of the key is thinned out - if you put a key that had the same thickness all over it would push that "big" pin into the bible (is it called?)
We all want to know what your eBay name is now?😁 Great lock & radical bitting!✌😎
I thought it was obvious. :)
@@two_tier_gary_rumain na, unless I'm stupid but his name doesn't come up a search for me.
You can't search for someone on eBay. I've tried looking for vendors but it doesn't work. Anyway, they added a default underscore and a single digit to the end of mine because I didn't want to reuse an account I had years ago and had forgotten about. So you can try that or you can look for the vendor and see if Bill left feedback. :)
Anything magnetic in it or in the bible?
No, but I have an upcoming video with a magnetic lock.... maybe next week. 😀
Kaba's products are ok but their customer service really sucks.
Useless side pins? Doesn't make sense.
Did you make your pin mat?
😎😎😎😎😎⭐
Hey bill I reckon u should re review the h&h kit as I reckon I no why sum the rakes look strange n double sided there really good for rocking open locks they give u an axle to pivot on ,hope ur good bill
Great video, I hope my challenge lock got to you safely in the envelope on the front of the package does have a letter in it though so please be careful with it
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