Where's that? I haven't even though about that yet and I'm starting to design an H/LPA system for a raider. Suck to get arrested for playing with a nerf blaster.
Just wanted to add that price is highly subjective in this video. For example, if you have the skills and the tools (which you will probably need for hpa anyway), you could build a 300 FPS longshot for under $100. - spring 18.5 kg turf $15 - 9/16 and 17/32 $12 - bolt sled $30 - pump grip $20 - scar (I print my own, but 9/16 end piece for accuracy would work just fine) - muzzle cover $5 - blaster thrifted $10 That’s the necessities. I just wanted to add this because you don’t need to spend $250 on a springer just to compete. You could even go cheaper than $60 if you switch use a weaker spring with the stock bolt reinforced. Anyways those are my 2 cents
As someone who has dabbled in almost all areas of this hobby, from buying wrong parts to building my own equipment; I have to say this is a very informative video. Sure, there are plenty of points in your video that could have "holes" in it. But saving money comes to deals, availability of parts, and getting all your "ducks in a row" beforehand. However, even the most precisely planned and budgeted project is never going to be exactly on the mark. There are always has to be a "buffer" for price differences. I think you did an excellent job trying to make it as fair across the board as possible. I also liked how you included the current meta for these builds. I do think that MORE information on LPA/HPA builds needs to come to light to drum up the interest even further. I'll admit that I was a bit nervous doing my own build for the first time. However, now that it's up and running though, I'm seriously loving it and wish I would have started from there. Again, excellent video and keep up the good work.
I do very much appreciate this video, and I'm personally a big advocate of air powered stuff, but I fear you may be a smidge biased. I know that you priced a few things inaccurately here. Maybe not intentionally, but it's worth putting out there. First off the springers. I recognize the validity of talking about the xZeus platform complete with kit, but I feel it's also important to at least mention that you can build a similar tier longshot with an old school brass breech, which would end up running much cheaper than what you mention here. The replacement boltsled would be your biggest cost I think, the whole thing coming in at around 150-200 dollars(cad/aud). Then there's the caliburn. You seemed to be including some fancy extra gear in your price tag that you shouldn't have. Slug sells complete kits for $130 if memory serves. An extended barrel gives you all the extra performance you need to compete with any high grade LS, and those are only like $20 extra. Then there are the cost of electrical parts for flywheelers. In my experience an omron, xt60, and a meter or two of wire costs about 5-10 dollars, not forty. Less commonly applicable, but still worth bearing in mind is that for those with 3d printers the cost of everything goes down- flywheelers by $30-80 or more, depending on the cage, battery door, etc they want, the caliburn by $60, the FDL by something like $120. Not that I mean to rag on your video, just that I feel like these things were overlooked and shouldn't have been. Otherwise I really do appreciate the breakdown of cost for everything.
Good point outs, I can agree that this video has many holes in its system, however. This video was made to show that top tier builds from current meta blaster builds can get expensive when compared to HPA. I could have also gotten cheaper parts for the HPA gear, I could easily take 50-100 off the price, but I made sure it was a fair comparison by choosing quality gear that we would expect to use.
Also to point out that for someone like myself that has invested in HPA/LPA stuff. It's now quite affordable to build another blaster that works off my current rig. Just like the initial cost of a 3Dprinted for people to make parts, my build really only consists of a new blaster build like mentioned. I was really not trying to be biased here I wanted this to be fair, this test was done as if someone was buying all this gear for the first time, not taking any tools or resources into account. If I did then HPA for myself would be really cheap compared to everyone else, and I'm sure flywheel and springer blasters would be really cheap for other people with resources.
I agree with all motioned here. I think it would have been nice to have pointed out that there are cheaper options to get the same kind of performance. Also making it more clear to people, who are new to hpa or even new to the hobby, about initial set up costs, then the cost of the blasters after and a comparison would have been good. For example, for every flywheel blaster and almost all springer blasters, you will have to buy all the internals for every blaster you build. Where as hpa, so long as you can get hold of an xbz or equivalent and some brass, you can get a secondhand shell from where ever and you have a second blaster.
@@Samuel-vb8ms Yes BUT he also makes a point of stating that he will exclude extra costs incurred by inconsequential add-ons. He then goes on to include metal flywheel cages, the XZeus shell, breech kits, and several additional parts for the caliburn in his price breakdown, and no such unnessecary parts when discussing air power builds. Specifically the bit with the Caliburn bugs me. It's designed specifically as a high end but very affordable platform. You can build a top-tier Caliburn for $150~ish, or you can dump an extra few hundred into it like Cobba apparently did. Which is cool. But chances are their performance will be identical. Not trying to be a dick, just explaining my arguement. Again I do appreciate the video for the insight it provides into ghe cost of air blasters.
I am so informed that I'm bordering on aroused. Cheers for the rundown mate. Best thing is that once you have your lpa or hpa gear, the cost of each blaster would bring the average right down compared to the others. I'm sold.
Yeah, it seems to be the regulator and the tank that cost the most, but if you're sharing that between all of your future H/LPA builds (and I don't see why you wouldn't)...
Before watching the video: Ive seen that the starting price is actually fairly expensive. Not having any of the materials or anything beforehand, the first build will run you a pretty hefty sum. Ive seen anywhere from $200-$400 USD. However, thats mostly from the bottle and reg, which are reused for every build. For a single highish tier brushed stryfe, itll be, maybe $120ish, because of lipo and such. But thatll net you, what, 160 fps? Springers are slightly more forgiving... if you have the skills to make the parts yourself. A full kitted out LS will run you probably $300. If you have the skills, you could do everything yourself for $50. The skill gap for springers may be the highest in the hobby. I dont feel like normal flywheel blasters require much more than 'hey, i solder this, buy these things, and every build is the same except for the cage and shell.' Springers are either high skill and reasonable cost, or low skill and high cost. Take into mind, im only taking into account decent builds. No imrs. No just spring swaps. HPA is a high skill area. You have to do alot of research yourself. The fps ceiling is so high, youd end up leaving holes in someone before you found the limit.
End of video: hey, fairly close. Caliburns are way cheaper than $250USD though. I think the base blaster is 110? 30 extra bucks can buy someone elses time to make you a decent brass breach thatll give you 300fps with k26. Plus, that can be 3d printed. Hardware kit is like $65USD. I think youve also priced the strfe a bit high, but thats entirely within the realm of possible price, so meh. Good video.
It honestly really depends what internal and external parts you add to the blaster, for example, my rapidstrike has a full rewire, Krakens, a Meishel 2.0 pusher, cc cyclones, it tops to about 140 AUD including the blaster. On the other hand, my longshot has a worker sled, worker plunger tube, full commissioned brass breech, 16kg spring, BT scar, worker stock, pump kit, and top rail which tops to about 230 AUD including the blaster. So it really depends whether you go complete barebones and use what’s required just to have a decent primary or have top tier for everything. And in some cases, the more FPS you want, the higher the cost gets. An 8kg brassed longshot should get 190ish whilst the same thing on 16kgs would get 250ish. But bear in mind, the higher spring load needs more reinforcement i.e. a metal sled, plunger head, etc. A similar thing goes for Flywheels, a 130fps rapidstrike compared to a 180fps rapidstrike has a fair amount of cost difference. The requirements are larger i.e. larger lipo, Motors with more torque and RPM, The Flywheels and cage cost more assuming your using eclipse or some sort of metal cage, even the 3D printed eclipse cage comes with its risks as well as the rapidstrike that hits harder lasts a little shorter as motors are overvolted, switches burn out which does add up for repair costs and up-front costs.
Correct, this is a very broad assessment with many holes in it. the rapidstrike/stryfe build was the hardest as there are so many parts to choose from, I really estimated prices in the middle of what people would spend to get higher velocities.
A Worker Caliburn and the Prophecy R Honeybadger Power Pack from Blastertech are looking more and more attractive. Though I'd like to do a air pressure type down the track.
Btw, Amped Airsoft in the US offers a player kit, which includes an airline, slp regulator and slp tank. It costs 135$ and can run from 0-160 psi. It’s the current setup I run for my HPA airsoft gu, would it be possible to build an HPA system? Where would I buy a tank to put in my blaster for HPA such as the saxBZ or XBZ?
Just want to let you know that the super core in the u.s. is a minimum 125 US dollars. Fitting and barrel are also more. Please check out OODs or frontline foam. You can almost double that price for an hpa build please. Considering Im building two right now. Its about $1000 Canadian then add $200 for shipping and taxes.
Hm. I have a compressor sitting here I'm gonna convert to an LPA system, and I'm mocking up with an Air Max 6 tank in a Raider. Just need a reg, shutoff, and fittings. $4 for the tank, compressor was free, going to use a heavy 12v battery so I don't need to invest in a LiPo, probably going to wind up at around $100 CAD when I'm done, that's around $75 USD. Once I dial it in I'm going to make my own tank design for fun.
Good video but I think the options you are looking at may be overpriced or maybe AUS prices are truely eyewatering? 470 USD for an FDL!? Nah just build a Rapidstrike. Rapidstrike is not a stryfe! RS is life! You can build a 5 motor FTW dual printed cage 180FPS 14 DPS rapidstrike and get a charger/ 3s battery for less than 200 USD. You don't need expensive motors, metal cages and flywheels for top performance, and you can pick up a dead RS for pretty much free, all you need is a working gearbox. Indeed if you are going to spend 250USD+ I would recommend metal gearbox gears before a metal cage. HPA isn't too expensive once you buy a decent tank and regulator, then you are good to go!
its true that AUD prices are truly eye watering. even after the exchange rate (not great), you have shipping and sourcing issues, as well as potential markup from local resellers for easier sourcing. its a bit complex over here.
Hey, I pit 2 IMR’s in my nerf regulator it worked fine for a few days, but after I took them out and put them back in, it wouldn’t fire or make noise at all. I checked the jamming door. I made sure the magazine was all the way in, and I check the batteries to make sure they were secure. I used PVC to hold the batteries in. So I have no clue what the problem could be. If anyone could help me here it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Good video. I'd run LPA or HPA myself, but in public places where we hold our nerf wars they would be considered illegal firearms.
Bradley Phillips oof
Bradley Phillips because airsoft? Also since you are very good with springers with hpa I don't think anyone on the other teams will survive
Where's that? I haven't even though about that yet and I'm starting to design an H/LPA system for a raider. Suck to get arrested for playing with a nerf blaster.
@@boostaddict_He lives in Australia
Just wanted to add that price is highly subjective in this video. For example, if you have the skills and the tools (which you will probably need for hpa anyway), you could build a 300 FPS longshot for under $100.
- spring 18.5 kg turf $15
- 9/16 and 17/32 $12
- bolt sled $30
- pump grip $20
- scar (I print my own, but 9/16 end piece for accuracy would work just fine)
- muzzle cover $5
- blaster thrifted $10
That’s the necessities. I just wanted to add this because you don’t need to spend $250 on a springer just to compete. You could even go cheaper than $60 if you switch use a weaker spring with the stock bolt reinforced. Anyways those are my 2 cents
4:50 “FPS; depends on how hard you throw it” ROFL!
Glad someone noticed that haha
Yeah. Pretty funny indeed
As someone who has dabbled in almost all areas of this hobby, from buying wrong parts to building my own equipment; I have to say this is a very informative video.
Sure, there are plenty of points in your video that could have "holes" in it. But saving money comes to deals, availability of parts, and getting all your "ducks in a row" beforehand. However, even the most precisely planned and budgeted project is never going to be exactly on the mark. There are always has to be a "buffer" for price differences. I think you did an excellent job trying to make it as fair across the board as possible. I also liked how you included the current meta for these builds.
I do think that MORE information on LPA/HPA builds needs to come to light to drum up the interest even further. I'll admit that I was a bit nervous doing my own build for the first time. However, now that it's up and running though, I'm seriously loving it and wish I would have started from there. Again, excellent video and keep up the good work.
I do very much appreciate this video, and I'm personally a big advocate of air powered stuff, but I fear you may be a smidge biased. I know that you priced a few things inaccurately here. Maybe not intentionally, but it's worth putting out there.
First off the springers. I recognize the validity of talking about the xZeus platform complete with kit, but I feel it's also important to at least mention that you can build a similar tier longshot with an old school brass breech, which would end up running much cheaper than what you mention here. The replacement boltsled would be your biggest cost I think, the whole thing coming in at around 150-200 dollars(cad/aud).
Then there's the caliburn. You seemed to be including some fancy extra gear in your price tag that you shouldn't have. Slug sells complete kits for $130 if memory serves. An extended barrel gives you all the extra performance you need to compete with any high grade LS, and those are only like $20 extra.
Then there are the cost of electrical parts for flywheelers. In my experience an omron, xt60, and a meter or two of wire costs about 5-10 dollars, not forty.
Less commonly applicable, but still worth bearing in mind is that for those with 3d printers the cost of everything goes down- flywheelers by $30-80 or more, depending on the cage, battery door, etc they want, the caliburn by $60, the FDL by something like $120.
Not that I mean to rag on your video, just that I feel like these things were overlooked and shouldn't have been. Otherwise I really do appreciate the breakdown of cost for everything.
Good point outs, I can agree that this video has many holes in its system, however. This video was made to show that top tier builds from current meta blaster builds can get expensive when compared to HPA. I could have also gotten cheaper parts for the HPA gear, I could easily take 50-100 off the price, but I made sure it was a fair comparison by choosing quality gear that we would expect to use.
Also to point out that for someone like myself that has invested in HPA/LPA stuff. It's now quite affordable to build another blaster that works off my current rig. Just like the initial cost of a 3Dprinted for people to make parts, my build really only consists of a new blaster build like mentioned. I was really not trying to be biased here I wanted this to be fair, this test was done as if someone was buying all this gear for the first time, not taking any tools or resources into account. If I did then HPA for myself would be really cheap compared to everyone else, and I'm sure flywheel and springer blasters would be really cheap for other people with resources.
I agree with all motioned here. I think it would have been nice to have pointed out that there are cheaper options to get the same kind of performance. Also making it more clear to people, who are new to hpa or even new to the hobby, about initial set up costs, then the cost of the blasters after and a comparison would have been good. For example, for every flywheel blaster and almost all springer blasters, you will have to buy all the internals for every blaster you build. Where as hpa, so long as you can get hold of an xbz or equivalent and some brass, you can get a secondhand shell from where ever and you have a second blaster.
The comparison is good enough. Cobra calls outs at the beginning it's a high end comparo.
@@Samuel-vb8ms Yes BUT he also makes a point of stating that he will exclude extra costs incurred by inconsequential add-ons. He then goes on to include metal flywheel cages, the XZeus shell, breech kits, and several additional parts for the caliburn in his price breakdown, and no such unnessecary parts when discussing air power builds.
Specifically the bit with the Caliburn bugs me. It's designed specifically as a high end but very affordable platform. You can build a top-tier Caliburn for $150~ish, or you can dump an extra few hundred into it like Cobba apparently did. Which is cool. But chances are their performance will be identical.
Not trying to be a dick, just explaining my arguement.
Again I do appreciate the video for the insight it provides into ghe cost of air blasters.
When you go top tier with any build it is going to be out there price wise. However, those types of builds tend to be more future-proof. Great video!
I am so informed that I'm bordering on aroused. Cheers for the rundown mate.
Best thing is that once you have your lpa or hpa gear, the cost of each blaster would bring the average right down compared to the others.
I'm sold.
Yeah, it seems to be the regulator and the tank that cost the most, but if you're sharing that between all of your future H/LPA builds (and I don't see why you wouldn't)...
As a nerf/foam blaster enthusiast, all platforms have a place in the hobby. That's why it's so cool.
Great video, thank you for sharing the information. All hobbies have a price tag, but that's what we work hard for so let's enjoy them!
I say HPA is a moderate investment initially, but the long term cost tends to be the same/ a bit more than other blasters
Before watching the video: Ive seen that the starting price is actually fairly expensive. Not having any of the materials or anything beforehand, the first build will run you a pretty hefty sum. Ive seen anywhere from $200-$400 USD. However, thats mostly from the bottle and reg, which are reused for every build. For a single highish tier brushed stryfe, itll be, maybe $120ish, because of lipo and such. But thatll net you, what, 160 fps? Springers are slightly more forgiving... if you have the skills to make the parts yourself. A full kitted out LS will run you probably $300. If you have the skills, you could do everything yourself for $50. The skill gap for springers may be the highest in the hobby. I dont feel like normal flywheel blasters require much more than 'hey, i solder this, buy these things, and every build is the same except for the cage and shell.' Springers are either high skill and reasonable cost, or low skill and high cost. Take into mind, im only taking into account decent builds. No imrs. No just spring swaps. HPA is a high skill area. You have to do alot of research yourself. The fps ceiling is so high, youd end up leaving holes in someone before you found the limit.
End of video: hey, fairly close. Caliburns are way cheaper than $250USD though. I think the base blaster is 110? 30 extra bucks can buy someone elses time to make you a decent brass breach thatll give you 300fps with k26. Plus, that can be 3d printed. Hardware kit is like $65USD. I think youve also priced the strfe a bit high, but thats entirely within the realm of possible price, so meh. Good video.
Very interesting. Very good video and more insight into something not very common in the States.
Excellent video, very interesting to see the prices compared. Keep up the great work, I love your mod work also.
It honestly really depends what internal and external parts you add to the blaster, for example, my rapidstrike has a full rewire, Krakens, a Meishel 2.0 pusher, cc cyclones, it tops to about 140 AUD including the blaster. On the other hand, my longshot has a worker sled, worker plunger tube, full commissioned brass breech, 16kg spring, BT scar, worker stock, pump kit, and top rail which tops to about 230 AUD including the blaster. So it really depends whether you go complete barebones and use what’s required just to have a decent primary or have top tier for everything.
And in some cases, the more FPS you want, the higher the cost gets. An 8kg brassed longshot should get 190ish whilst the same thing on 16kgs would get 250ish. But bear in mind, the higher spring load needs more reinforcement i.e. a metal sled, plunger head, etc. A similar thing goes for Flywheels, a 130fps rapidstrike compared to a 180fps rapidstrike has a fair amount of cost difference. The requirements are larger i.e. larger lipo, Motors with more torque and RPM, The Flywheels and cage cost more assuming your using eclipse or some sort of metal cage, even the 3D printed eclipse cage comes with its risks as well as the rapidstrike that hits harder lasts a little shorter as motors are overvolted, switches burn out which does add up for repair costs and up-front costs.
Correct, this is a very broad assessment with many holes in it. the rapidstrike/stryfe build was the hardest as there are so many parts to choose from, I really estimated prices in the middle of what people would spend to get higher velocities.
Yes indeed, flyweelers tend to lose accuracy above 170ish as well as you mentioned flywheelers are more for sub 150
Great video. Thanks for compiling all this info together.
This will be a great resource to link people to.
A Worker Caliburn and the Prophecy R Honeybadger Power Pack from Blastertech are looking more and more attractive. Though I'd like to do a air pressure type down the track.
Btw, Amped Airsoft in the US offers a player kit, which includes an airline, slp regulator and slp tank. It costs 135$ and can run from 0-160 psi. It’s the current setup I run for my HPA airsoft gu, would it be possible to build an HPA system? Where would I buy a tank to put in my blaster for HPA such as the saxBZ or XBZ?
yeah easy as all you need are the right fittings
And it's SpexBZ, as its engineer (Spectre) intended it.
Your ways intrigue me, and I wish to learn more...
Just want to let you know that the super core in the u.s. is a minimum 125 US dollars. Fitting and barrel are also more.
Please check out OODs or frontline foam.
You can almost double that price for an hpa build please.
Considering Im building two right now.
Its about $1000 Canadian then add $200 for shipping and taxes.
Hm. I have a compressor sitting here I'm gonna convert to an LPA system, and I'm mocking up with an Air Max 6 tank in a Raider. Just need a reg, shutoff, and fittings. $4 for the tank, compressor was free, going to use a heavy 12v battery so I don't need to invest in a LiPo, probably going to wind up at around $100 CAD when I'm done, that's around $75 USD. Once I dial it in I'm going to make my own tank design for fun.
Excellent video. Good, clear articulation and comparisons. Other nerf tubers take note LOL.
Good video but I think the options you are looking at may be overpriced or maybe AUS prices are truely eyewatering?
470 USD for an FDL!? Nah just build a Rapidstrike. Rapidstrike is not a stryfe! RS is life! You can build a 5 motor FTW dual printed cage 180FPS 14 DPS rapidstrike and get a charger/ 3s battery for less than 200 USD.
You don't need expensive motors, metal cages and flywheels for top performance, and you can pick up a dead RS for pretty much free, all you need is a working gearbox. Indeed if you are going to spend 250USD+ I would recommend metal gearbox gears before a metal cage.
HPA isn't too expensive once you buy a decent tank and regulator, then you are good to go!
its true that AUD prices are truly eye watering. even after the exchange rate (not great), you have shipping and sourcing issues, as well as potential markup from local resellers for easier sourcing. its a bit complex over here.
Thanks. This was brilliant.
I would also start off with LPA/HPA, except I still no idea how they work or how to make them.
i have a few videos on my channel *wink wink*
I bought two reserve tanks from Spector or whatever that Aussies name is lol but I'm still waiting on everything to ship
Nvm, just got onto foamfreaks and bought the preorder shipping and should work now
I just realized that I was at the event with the caliburn footage...
Hey, I pit 2 IMR’s in my nerf regulator it worked fine for a few days, but after I took them out and put them back in, it wouldn’t fire or make noise at all. I checked the jamming door. I made sure the magazine was all the way in, and I check the batteries to make sure they were secure. I used PVC to hold the batteries in. So I have no clue what the problem could be. If anyone could help me here it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
NatoriousTheVictorious sounds like you have fried the circuit
COBBAcrazy What should I do?
You forgot to calculate utilities cost of charging your batteries... J/k good info.
What channel were the game that was playing on the stairs?
"is HPA expensive?"
*shows a Ninja Pro v2 reg on what's probably an SL (~270 USD)*
edit: SLP reg okay lol
What does hpa stand for
I believe high pressure air
How tf do u have an entire channel for NERF
First