You guys fill a place in my life. I'm mid 30's my father past away before I joined the military in my early 20's and I loved doing projects around the house with my dad. I really love the relationship you two have and wish I still had today. Great work you guys keepem coming!
Thank you for your service to our country Justin. I am genuinely sorry about your father. I am glad you found a bond with the stud pack that helps fill the void.
@@ciscokid1223 Little consolation but my dad (great dad) was all thumbs so first house ‘handyman special’ actually NIGHTMARE, hired tradesmen for a day (plumber & electrician) to learn. No regrets, great skills/tips (and fun/profitable side-hustle) so thinking, such demand for tradesmen and many (my generation) retiring, perhaps apprentice with local old timer (even very part-time). Just beware old does not guarantee knowledgeable, be selective.
It's funny how I felt the same way, I worked with my dad all the time at nights and on weekends as a kid and learned so much. He always told me to quit being so fussy, probably one of the few things I never did listen to haha! He passed 10 years ago a month shy of 65... But as I get older I learn more and more lessons still to this day. How patient he was with me and the work ethic he instilled in me. Always appreciate hearing other people reminisce about their old man. Pretty special if you can work with him. A lot can't.
Hi guys. I am a tile installer. If you use 1/4 inch hardie board instead of Kerdi fabric much easier to handle. Really like the pattern behind the range keep up the good work 🤙🏼
Nice job, here a tip for your schluter edges, don’t miter them, bend them, nibble the back of the schluter and then use a block of wood to make the bend, it’s a really clean look without the sharp corners.
I just did glass tile in my bathroom and one thing I noticed cutting the tiles with my wet saw is, I cut most of the way through the tile front side down (to preserve the painted on colors on the back) then flip it over and cut the last inch with the front side up. That prevents it from chipping. Worked great.
Hey guys, I am a 20 year home improvement contractor up here in Franklin Wisconsin I really enjoy all your videos I enjoy the way you work with your Son, the way you deliver your information. I always learn something new watching you guys! Thanks so much! John.
paul your humbleness is why i return and watch your videos!! you know your stuff., and your ever wanting to learn as well.! many contractors pride themselves on how great they are! keep up the good work and keep the vids coming!!
Exactly. When a contractor says "We would love to hear any suggestions on how we can do the job better", shows us that you are willing to listen. That may well also mean listen to the customer too. Thank you Paul and Jordan for sharing your amazing work with us. Best wishes from Jack and Family from Brisbane Queensland Australia.
THAT"S RIGHT!. I follow a handful of tile "pros", and although they are pretty good at what they do, their lack of humbleness sometimes prevents me from following their advice, and often times I click away from their videos. Now, this is the first time watching this video. Are they contractors? or they are just working on their own house?
Love the "Groutlet" plates. Just made my own and added a hole in the middle with an angled cut to the outside so that pre-existing wiring can come thru without undoing the wiring on the outlets. Thanks for the idea.
Old guy here, lots of projects under my belt. Doing a backsplash with some tricky mosaic tile that has a pattern. Anyway, I picked up some great tips from you guys. The wooden covers for the receptacles and the drywall screws for depth were great. I'll be using both. Thanks for the video, you gained a follower!
I’m about to install my first backsplash, and it’s glass. So I’ll probably watch your backsplash videos about 100 times more before I feel comfortable enough to begin. Thanks for all the great tips! 🤙🏽
I've been doing tile for 30 years. My go-to tile tool is an angle grinder with a diamond blade. Great for gutting around electrical boxes, toilet flanges, plumbing, etc. Personally, I don't worry about the scratched surface on the edge of glass tile. No one ever sees it. On clear glass, you will still see the grout color even if it is hazy (scratched from saw).
I agree with you Whole Hearted, I'm a Tile Setter of 25yrs+ and I like using as many Techniques I can get my hands on ( Never Boring or a Dull Moment) Angle Grinder is my Go Tool.
Now I know not to hire you guys lol, chips on my new glass is completely unacceptable no pay for you, a grinder overheats and chips the tile btw they don’t make glass blades for grinders , get a good wet saw and a good glass blade to do a professional job so you can say I been installing for 30 years
@@ramsesvega5066 If you don't know how to use an angle grinder with a diamond blade without overheating the product being cut, you shouldn't be using it. I can cut glass, porcelain, ceramic, quartz, etc. without chipping them using said tool. Would I do and entire shower or backsplash with it? Absolutely not. I would use a wet saw. Btw, there would be no need for you to hire me. It appears that you already know how to do everything. 😜
@@-_-John-_- oh yes you can cut glass with a grinder but all chipped in the front and back , now would you glue that to a wall ? Absolutely no, not professional that was my point
you guys are great, i'm learning a lot of little tricks from you. One thing i do when i have laid some tiles already and need to spread mortar on the wall is use painting tape on the edge of already laid tiles to keep the mortar off the edge and less chance of having it seeping out on the grout line and also keeping the mess at a minimum. I will be using few new tricks on my next job, thank you
From below 100,000 subscribers 8 months ago to over 200,000 in just 8 months! You guys make me remember why I love remodeling. Love the positive attitudes! Always finding fun new tricks. Glad I found your channel.
Nice job! With mosaics we always cut our sheets lengthways , it makes it easier to install around plugs and improves the randomness of the color. Cheers
The workmanship is amazing...u don't leave something and move on until you are completely satisfied...amazing.....u treat the job like its your own house
This is my favorite channel. Im from northern Canada. I still can relate so well to you both. I do almost exactly as you two. Lol. You do more electrical. It has inspired me. I remember being young and hungry for knowledge of the trades. I grew to understand integrity over money (but we still gotta eat lol). 40 years later and I say this humbly, I can't put my name on anything less than excellent. (I break out in pride and ego if it's less, lol) but then i explain to anyone listening pride in the work is a clean pride, its ok. The ego is different , not so ok. I digress . Also at this age I still can go home at night thinking the tile or the concrete or whatever, might look like...well questionable ...lol. So thank you guys,comrades in delivering satisfaction, your channel is pure. God bless...someone else clean up the mess...too late I'll do it. Lol. (This comment is meant for humour and compliments only. Anyone found using it for in any other purposes will be fitted for concrete shoes ;) Keep it up!
I'm a DIY’r and am referencing your videos for tips on how to over common issues for prep work regarding tiling particularly backsplash. Your videos are more than just informative you relate to the common guy and cover just about every trick in the book to make an individual feel more at ease at first time attempts. I’m just started my first backsplash and have encountered pretty much every issue one can face preparing wall for tile. The trick with the square, drywall screws, level, and thin set took care of the issue. Had almost inch gap in some places between drywall and counter top. Existing home built in 1999. Prepping is 95%of the job. The extra tips you guys provide for example with cutting glass tile save a lot of frustration.
My solution for wavy walls is plaster hot mud to level instead of thinset.The 45min work time is ideal for that. A 123 primer so the plaster does not take water from thinset.
Hot mud sets quickly on the surface but retains a lot of water that takes time to evaporate. If you seal it with primer right away the moisture in the hot mud will cause the paint bond to fail. Since this primer is what you propose putting your thinset on, I'd be concerned about tile failure in the future. Sure, it'll look good at install but short-cuts have a way of biting you in the long run.
@@mudlick8186 you are absolutely correct did a remodel a while back and had to get rid of a popcorn ceiling and decided to roll on a skim coat … long story short I got a little ahead of my self and. Went to painting on my. 123 primer … was all proud of myself until about 10 min later when it started raining down thin sheets of paint primer from ceiling 🤣🤣🤣
Recommendation from a sparky. 4" is a bit tall for your electrical box jig plate. Just go 1/8" above and below your screw heads to give a SOLID backing for the electrical outlet, versus the tile being that far from the screw raising the leverage vs clamping force of the receptacle mounting screw. That means the block is approx 3 3/4" tall.
right. and really, I'd rather he ran those adjustaboxes out and tiled right up against them. then I just cut 2 threads off the trim screws with my screw cutters, and I don't have to worry about the hole being a hair bigger than the plate. optimum would be a kerf lined up with the mounting holes, but I won't ask that from a tile guy. if I have to cut the tile so I can run my adjustaboxes out, I'll do a kerf, though.
@@mike1agofastcoburn947 If they were nailed at the proper stickout distance to account for the mortar and tile, or they used adjustaboxes, then the wood would not be needed at all. Regardless, the tile needs to be cut as close to box dimensions as possible or it's not supporting the receptacle or switch as good as it should/could.
@@mike1agofastcoburn947 as dustin said, if they're nailed to the studs at the depth for sheetrock, they'll come up short to do the tile against the box technique, in which case a wood block the same size as the box would help with the tile setting. in a perfect world, the electrician would set the boxes so a grout line is centered on each device, but in the real world, more often than not, the electrician doesn't even know if there will be a full height backsplash let alone how the grout lines will lay out.
Super interesting! Thanks for your knowledge. I love learning this type of stuff. Used to watch This Old House with my dad all the time, always loved it. Thank goodness for youtube and all you knowledgeable people out there sharing!
As a tile guy I can say this is one of the only channels on RUclips where non tile people do good tile. 👍🏼 Also doing the same thing but with float strips and a level or straightedge would probably speed you guys up a little
Contractor's work is a series of how to solve so many problems. You have taught me so many things since i subscribed. I am a DIY guy and adore your channel. I also envy the relationship you have with your son. That is something else to be proud of as a man. He is already a first grade tradesman. Fatherhood project couldn't have done better.
I am absolutely blown away at the attention to detail you guys do in every job. If I were near you, I would hire you to do every project I ever had. Thank you so much for the videos. The content is fantastic!
Great video, I love what you did with the niche. The method of peeling then off of the mesh sheet and then laying you're herringbone over another mesh backer was genius and a complete time saver, I cant wait to show this to my guys at work
A trick I learned the last time I was tiling with the Schluter trim. I used the brad nailer to lock it in place so I didn't have to worry about it moving as we were going down the line.
Thanks for the video..........I like how you went through the trail and error method to get the tile cut and coverage checked.......its so important for us do it yourselfers to see those steps. I love your enthusiasm. Craftsman. I learned a lot.
The one channel I DO NOT skip through...another great video and love the little tips along the way. I sure could have used that outlet box trick when I did my backsplash...👍👍
Honestly, I respect your guy's craftsmanship so much but it's the bond and trust that you guys have for each other that does it for me. Thanks for the privilege. Keep up the awesome content
I have a whole set of drill bits that drill right through tile with my hammer drill. When I run into the problem with the outlet holes hitting the tile, I just mark the holes and drill them out. Just takes a few minutes and you're done.
Excellent video - I have done hundreds of splashes - glass tile is very challenging - I have actually used a paint on the back that matched the color of the painted surface that is covered with the white backing - the chips disappear - the second thing on those pesky cover plate screws - u can actually nip down the lengths of those screws with your side cutters that will allow the screws to attach to the outlet, but not hit the surface of the tile
Gets in the way of the trough when you are trying to run a nice bead above and below. Best to use something thinner like a piece of aluminum sheet or some blanks.
You g man you are fortunate to have a father who teaches you how to think. You will have such an advantage over 90%+ of your competitors and will never find yourself out of work. I know because that was me for many years of this same type of work.
Impeccable work as always! You say that you are not a professional tile person, but from what I see, you are better than many "pros" I've seen. Just because you may lack a few tools, seems you have what you need.
I enjoy watching videos from the trades and learning from them. I can say that watching your video today taught me a couple tricks that I will try in the near future. Thank you for posting.
You guys are unbelievable!…not only do you do incredible work, the music in the background is great……I have several of those songs on my music Library on my phone!…thanks to you!…
The block for the backsplash gfis is a great idea and should be used for all backsplash installments - nothing more frustrating as an electrician installing gfis and the tile guys almost never leave enough space for even the device screws. I find myself cutting down the cover plate screws with my strippers so it doesn’t push off the tile looking like crap!
I would have added some MDF or wood backing to the side walls in the nice. Makes it a lot easier later on if you want to add a shelf or two for more spice storage as you have something solid to fasten your screws in ;)
hello there, i run a marble an tile company for more that 25 yers in south Florida.. and we install lots of backsplash , went it comes to install glass we add some liquid epoxy , thin-set or mortar it self .. won't do life time guaranty.. thanks for the video i really like it .. and a like the idea of electric cover made of wood... nice one ..
Love the tips, you guys did a great job once again. My only comment would be how to get the thinset perfect on the uneven wall, I'd have tried using a screed board setup top and bottom, seems that would have gone faster and even more accurately. Love the tip on the electrical boxes, I will remember that on my next tile job. You set yourselves apart from others by showing the various techniques available (saw, tile snap cutter) and showing the results of each to determine which is best for the tile in use. Thanks for that extra effort. You might also remind viewers that your electrical boxes are depth adjustable, so they can be made flush with the tile. So much great content!
For glass tiles I use glass tile wet saw and never had any problems. It's little more expensive, but it's required for the job. One thing I learned at school, "Every tool has its job and every job has its tool" and through the years it proof 100% correct.
Too funny. I'm looking at the house next door, and I'm like, "man, that looks like Baton Rouge". Scroll down, it is Baton Rouge! I grew up in BR, until moving up "north" to TN. I miss it, but I visit family yearly. Great work, really appreciate the techniques and lack of "we know everything" attitude that some many videos have.
Great video Guys!! You can purchase a glass blade for your Wetsaw world like a charm. The outlet screws can be cut with a good pair of wire strippers the wire cutter actually has holes all you do is screw in the screws into the strippers all the way down and then back them out 4-5 turns and cut them and boom you've made the screws a little shorter just a lil tip an electrician showed. Keep up the good work 👏 👍👍
That is a very interesting method of floating out the wall for your back splash. The only problem I see with it is that it increases the thickness of the backsplash corners (if they are visible). This is also a problem with floating out walls for shower tile. To eliminate this problem, I straighten the studs in showers and other areas where tile is going to be installed so that my interior walls are nearly perfectly straight and flat. This takes less time than trying to correct uneven walls later and it facilitates a very thin layer of thin-set for the tile backing. With remodels, it is obvious that you have to deal with the cards that you are dealt and it is more difficult to straighten the walls. Still in most cases, new drywall is or with showers, cement tile board (or something like Denshield to use with RedGuard) is going to be installed. So I demo part or all of the drywall, existing shower wall, etc. and I straighten the walls. Then in kitchens where the walls are hidden by tile and cabinets, I install water resistant drywalls and tape the seams. In the showers and bath walls, on remodels, I prefer to install something like Green board or Denshield as a tile backer in the bathrooms anyway. I will usually "sell" the customer on this cost because it allows me to waterproof the walls correctly. A LOT of bathrooms here in AZ were not correctly installed and this allows me to make sure that there will not be water infiltration problems later as the walls and shower get wet thousands of times. If the client doesn't want to pay for this cost, I make them sign a disclaimer that states I am not responsible for the water tightness of the bathroom walls. In all cases in showers I require that I install new waterproofing because IBC codes require it. So eliminating new shower waterproofing measures is not an option I give to clients. If my cost is too high, too bad, I don't do subquality work. I haven't watched your remodel of this house and so I don't know if you had an opportunity to straighten the kitchen walls before cabinets were installed. Using this technique, many times only two or three studs need to be straightened to fix a kitchen wall. Having framed (houses) for a living, it is fairly easy for me to straighten the walls in most cases and I have found it saves loads of headaches later. This is not a criticism of your work - you do a great job and I can tell that you really care about doing quality work. That makes you very likable and you possess a lot of knowledge and skill. If I were a homeowner, I would not hesitate to hire you.
@John M Yes I agree. I have worked with a number of older homes and the quality standards back then were often (not always) severely lacking. I did a remodel of a "historic" home that was built (I think) in the 1920s. With that particular home, in key areas I ripped out a LOT of crooked studs (which were actually a full 2" x 4" in dimension) and replaced them with new straight studs. This took extra time and money but it paid huge benefits later. The home sold for over $50,000 of what it was appraised at. Again, I am not criticizing you or saying my methods are "better" than yours. Your work is exemplary. I am saying that in some cases (not all) it may be quicker and cheaper overall to straighten key walls when demolition of the old walls and cabinets has been completed. this is particularly true with walls that will be tiled, that have cabinets and in showers. Have a great new year.
BRILLIANT!! I wish I had known these techniques when I was doing my tile projects. Absolutely love these time saving and professional results. You guys are amazing. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! Every stud pack video I watch, I walk away learning something!!
Really appreciate your detailed & curse-less videos. Just a note coming from a brickLAYER & tileSETTER of over35 years: You LAY brick & SET tile. Keep up the good work!
If you use the Fusion Pro stuff to grout, I'd be careful, the sand in it will scratch glass. Last time I used it I did each line with a plastic scraper to avoid scratching the center surfaces of a glossy tile (couldn't avoid the edges being slightly scratched). Also, the cut edges of tile are always hidden under a bead of sealant or an edge strip. Slight chips and whiteness are ok, but in your case the scoring tool is faster and far less messy.
YAY!! Tile cutter for the win!! I was PLEASANTLY surprised at how easy the tile cutter (24") I got was to use on my ceramic floor tile, and now I am SUPER happy that I can use it for glass tile for a backsplash as well! Great videos! Keep up the great work!
Who's the 6 fools that hit the dislike button?? Must be the janky competition down the street! Love you guys. You have taught me a lot of tips and tricks. Keep up the great father/son energy !! Also, tell dad that his back seat is a mess again right after you bought him that sweet organizer !!!!!
did a tiny tile job the the day, just 5 tiles into an existing tile splashback. Mixed up a tiny bit of white grout and used a plastic bag with the corner cut out and applied the grout like icing on a cake. Straight into the gap, no smearing, no mess, didn't even use a trowel.
In the middle of remodeling our dining room and kitchen - that little block for the electrical boxes looks VERY COOL! I might just not tell my wife I saw you guys do it!!! Great job!
Really like how CLEAN you work. Nice to see Ram board, or similar; for protecting counters/ etc….and then cleaning as you go… The entire remodel on this jobsite has been nice and clean, and imo, pretty cool to see; ad it also makes homeowners happy too. Know gets very very hot in Florida and south during summer, but if doing demo work (especially “Crete “ work and such….ya gotta cover tape, put up barriers/plastic and even running negative/positive pressure to keep dust, silica, & what not out of the home and especially the ducting and HVAC system. Nothing worse then leaving a finished jobsite and having homeowners STILL “dusting and cleaning” weeks later the demo/remodel “dust” b/c the HVAC wasn’t shutdown and properly sealed up. Not to mention, Construction “dust/& work” get EVERYWHERE &in EVERYTHING if not properly sealed, and I sure wouldn’t wanna clean cabinets/cupboards, I side Fridge (b/c crews are USING the appliances, smh), dishwasher, oven, and so on, Take some time and properly do the Prep Work before; so not having to do more work later, or cost homeowner money for them getting a cleaning crew in there after ya leave. Just some thoughts, BUT STUD PACK, you boys have been and ARE SUPERB at keeping things high n tight; which makes the jobsites look spectacularly AMAZING👍🏻 Congrats on all the subs & know will reach the GOAL. Cheers👊🏻
I was watching to see how you ran your thin set trowel grooves in relation to your tile pattern. One direction only.plus Perpendicular (somewhat because herring bone angle) to tile pattern equals best adhesion. Excellent! You guys are legit. I've been building for 35 years and I've learned cool stuff from you guys already. Your son seems super sharp. You must be a good dad for sure.
By far the most enjoyable backsplash video I’ve seen, and I’ve seen about 100 in the last week. Lighthearted, informative and mixed/edited very well. Props to father son duos out there, I hope to be able to tackle projects like this with my boys when they get older.
Great video, guys! A few suggestions: glass tile blade for the wetsaw, mount the glass tile insert on a 1/4" piece of goboard or kerdi board (instead of on kerdi membrane), and hold the countertop guys accountable to set the top properly. I've seen them notch the drywall to slide it in, but prefer them to just scribe it to the wall. It should be within 1/8" along that whole wall, and no one will ever notice the humps in the wall once the backsplash is up. One more: the groutlet is clever, and that's a great name for it, but you have to install outlet extenders to meet code anyways, so just slide them in, tile to them, and install the outlets. Keep up the good work!
The electrical boxes are depth adjustable, so all they need to do is use the screw to make the boxes even with the tiles. You need to watch more of their videos! :-) The wall was too far out of level, even if the counter was set closer those waves would be noticable. Using thinset to make the wall straight is the smart way to go, when the customer puts anything against the backsplash there won't be a gap. Using the membrane also maximizes the depth of the niche, I'd have done what Studpack did, even a 1/4" can make a difference on such a shallow niche.
I wish I saw this video the first time I searched two days ago before installing my backsplash! Great idea!!! That inlay shelf will be so useful and looks fantastic.
You two are very nice guys! Very humble as mentioned above, honest, transparent, informative and passionate. You taught me some great tips. I subscribed and look forward to watching more videos.
Cutting glass tile with a wet saw can be challenging with blowouts. One way to help solve this problem is fill the tray channel flush with thinset or better yet epoxy until hard then run the blade through. Not only does it help with the back blowouts it a nice gauge when lining up your marks.
11:29...some one just learned the word, "niche" and is gonna use the heck out of it. Lol... Great video. You are very detailed...1st backsplash video i have seen that is done by someone this careful. Thanks!!
I always enjoy watching your videos! As an electrician, I would prefer that the outlet boxes be set out flush to the finished surface during the rough-in stage. That would allow you to have the perimeter of the box to run your tile up to, rather than the groutlet. That’s assuming that the finish is known and the contractors communicate lol.
A little tip for when you are setting your Schluter trim. Get a hot glue gun and then you can set your trim exactly where you want it and then come back over the inside flap with the mortar
You should round your inside corners when cutting glass tile around objects instead of square cuts. The square cuts on inside corners give a place for the tile to start cracking because of how much glass tile expands and contracts.
@TJP 81 You would need a wet tile saw like in the video with a glass tile cutting blade. Make your straight cuts on the table of the saw but not completely into the corner. Then take the tile and hold it in your hands and hold it up to the blade while moving it slowly left and right to round the inside corner.
A sanding block with wet/dry abrasive, or a diamond file will smooth a cut glass edge. Dampen either one with just a bit of water and keep the slurry washed off.
You guys fill a place in my life. I'm mid 30's my father past away before I joined the military in my early 20's and I loved doing projects around the house with my dad. I really love the relationship you two have and wish I still had today. Great work you guys keepem coming!
Super appreciate that Justin thx👍👊💪
Thank you for your service to our country Justin. I am genuinely sorry about your father.
I am glad you found a bond with the stud pack that helps fill the void.
That's exactly where I was coming from. Cept' I didn't have the privilege of having an ol' man. But it doesn't change the fact that I wish I did.
@@ciscokid1223 Little consolation but my dad (great dad) was all thumbs so first house ‘handyman special’ actually NIGHTMARE, hired tradesmen for a day (plumber & electrician) to learn. No regrets, great skills/tips (and fun/profitable side-hustle) so thinking, such demand for tradesmen and many (my generation) retiring, perhaps apprentice with local old timer (even very part-time). Just beware old does not guarantee knowledgeable, be selective.
It's funny how I felt the same way, I worked with my dad all the time at nights and on weekends as a kid and learned so much. He always told me to quit being so fussy, probably one of the few things I never did listen to haha! He passed 10 years ago a month shy of 65... But as I get older I learn more and more lessons still to this day. How patient he was with me and the work ethic he instilled in me. Always appreciate hearing other people reminisce about their old man. Pretty special if you can work with him. A lot can't.
Hi guys. I am a tile installer. If you use 1/4 inch hardie board instead of Kerdi fabric much easier to handle. Really like the pattern behind the range keep up the good work 🤙🏼
Nice job, here a tip for your schluter edges, don’t miter them, bend them, nibble the back of the schluter and then use a block of wood to make the bend, it’s a really clean look without the sharp corners.
I just did glass tile in my bathroom and one thing I noticed cutting the tiles with my wet saw is, I cut most of the way through the tile front side down (to preserve the painted on colors on the back) then flip it over and cut the last inch with the front side up. That prevents it from chipping. Worked great.
Hey guys, I am a 20 year home improvement contractor up here in Franklin Wisconsin I really enjoy all your videos I enjoy the way you work with your Son, the way you deliver your information. I always learn something new watching you guys! Thanks so much! John.
Thanks John👍
paul your humbleness is why i return and watch your videos!! you know your stuff., and your ever wanting to learn as well.! many contractors pride themselves on how great they are! keep up the good work and keep the vids coming!!
Exactly. When a contractor says "We would love to hear any suggestions on how we can do the job better", shows us that you are willing to listen. That may well also mean listen to the customer too. Thank you Paul and Jordan for sharing your amazing work with us. Best wishes from Jack and Family from Brisbane Queensland Australia.
Agree 👍👍👍👍100%
THAT"S RIGHT!. I follow a handful of tile "pros", and although they are pretty good at what they do, their lack of humbleness sometimes prevents me from following their advice, and often times I click away from their videos.
Now, this is the first time watching this video. Are they contractors? or they are just working on their own house?
Love the "Groutlet" plates. Just made my own and added a hole in the middle with an angled cut to the outside so that pre-existing wiring can come thru without undoing the wiring on the outlets. Thanks for the idea.
Old guy here, lots of projects under my belt. Doing a backsplash with some tricky mosaic tile that has a pattern. Anyway, I picked up some great tips from you guys. The wooden covers for the receptacles and the drywall screws for depth were great. I'll be using both. Thanks for the video, you gained a follower!
I’m about to install my first backsplash, and it’s glass. So I’ll probably watch your backsplash videos about 100 times more before I feel comfortable enough to begin. Thanks for all the great tips! 🤙🏽
I do the same thing... and something will still come out crooked!
I've been doing tile for 30 years.
My go-to tile tool is an angle grinder with a diamond blade.
Great for gutting around electrical boxes, toilet flanges, plumbing, etc.
Personally, I don't worry about the scratched surface on the edge of glass tile. No one ever sees it.
On clear glass, you will still see the grout color even if it is hazy (scratched from saw).
I agree with you Whole Hearted, I'm a Tile Setter of 25yrs+ and I like using as many Techniques I can get my hands on ( Never Boring or a Dull Moment) Angle Grinder is my Go Tool.
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Now I know not to hire you guys lol, chips on my new glass is completely unacceptable no pay for you, a grinder overheats and chips the tile btw they don’t make glass blades for grinders , get a good wet saw and a good glass blade to do a professional job so you can say I been installing for 30 years
@@ramsesvega5066
If you don't know how to use an angle grinder with a diamond blade without overheating the product being cut, you shouldn't be using it.
I can cut glass, porcelain, ceramic, quartz, etc. without chipping them using said tool.
Would I do and entire shower or backsplash with it? Absolutely not.
I would use a wet saw.
Btw, there would be no need for you to hire me. It appears that you already know how to do everything. 😜
@@-_-John-_- oh yes you can cut glass with a grinder but all chipped in the front and back , now would you glue that to a wall ? Absolutely no, not professional that was my point
Love how you are so detailed oriented and desire to do such a "perfect" job with everything!
you guys are great, i'm learning a lot of little tricks from you. One thing i do when i have laid some tiles already and need to spread mortar on the wall is use painting tape on the edge of already laid tiles to keep the mortar off the edge and less chance of having it seeping out on the grout line and also keeping the mess at a minimum.
I will be using few new tricks on my next job, thank you
From below 100,000 subscribers 8 months ago to over 200,000 in just 8 months! You guys make me remember why I love remodeling. Love the positive attitudes! Always finding fun new tricks. Glad I found your channel.
And doubled again in just 7!
You are a great father figure for so many of us, I love watching you work! Thanks for sharing!
Nice job!
With mosaics we always cut our sheets lengthways , it makes it easier to install around plugs and improves the randomness of the color.
Cheers
The workmanship is amazing...u don't leave something and move on until you are completely satisfied...amazing.....u treat the job like its your own house
This is my favorite channel. Im from northern Canada. I still can relate so well to you both. I do almost exactly as you two. Lol. You do more electrical. It has inspired me. I remember being young and hungry for knowledge of the trades. I grew to understand integrity over money (but we still gotta eat lol). 40 years later and I say this humbly, I can't put my name on anything less than excellent. (I break out in pride and ego if it's less, lol) but then i explain to anyone listening pride in the work is a clean pride, its ok. The ego is different , not so ok. I digress .
Also at this age I still can go home at night thinking the tile or the concrete or whatever, might look like...well questionable ...lol.
So thank you guys,comrades in delivering satisfaction, your channel is pure. God bless...someone else clean up the mess...too late I'll do it. Lol. (This comment is meant for humour and compliments only. Anyone found using it for in any other purposes will be fitted for concrete shoes ;)
Keep it up!
I'm a DIY’r and am referencing your videos for tips on how to over common issues for prep work regarding tiling particularly backsplash. Your videos are more than just informative you relate to the common guy and cover just about every trick in the book to make an individual feel more at ease at first time attempts. I’m just started my first backsplash and have encountered pretty much every issue one can face preparing wall for tile. The trick with the square, drywall screws, level, and thin set took care of the issue. Had almost inch gap in some places between drywall and counter top. Existing home built in 1999. Prepping is 95%of the job. The extra tips you guys provide for example with cutting glass tile save a lot of frustration.
I’m very appreciative of the time and effort you guys put forth sharing tips and tricks of your trade. Thank you!!
Thx for the comment Mark really appreciate it 👊👍
My solution for wavy walls is plaster hot mud to level instead of thinset.The 45min work time is ideal for that. A 123 primer so the plaster does not take water from thinset.
Hot mud sets quickly on the surface but retains a lot of water that takes time to evaporate. If you seal it with primer right away the moisture in the hot mud will cause the paint bond to fail. Since this primer is what you propose putting your thinset on, I'd be concerned about tile failure in the future. Sure, it'll look good at install but short-cuts have a way of biting you in the long run.
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@@mudlick8186 you are absolutely correct did a remodel a while back and had to get rid of a popcorn ceiling and decided to roll on a skim coat … long story short I got a little ahead of my self and. Went to painting on my. 123 primer … was all proud of myself until about 10 min later when it started raining down thin sheets of paint primer from ceiling 🤣🤣🤣
@@catg6354 fast setting drywall compound
Wow! Talk about detail and being precise. Make no mistake they are firing on all cylinders. Rain did not slow down production. Real Artisans.
Recommendation from a sparky. 4" is a bit tall for your electrical box jig plate. Just go 1/8" above and below your screw heads to give a SOLID backing for the electrical outlet, versus the tile being that far from the screw raising the leverage vs clamping force of the receptacle mounting screw. That means the block is approx 3 3/4" tall.
Always pack your patience even before your lunch!
right. and really, I'd rather he ran those adjustaboxes out and tiled right up against them. then I just cut 2 threads off the trim screws with my screw cutters, and I don't have to worry about the hole being a hair bigger than the plate. optimum would be a kerf lined up with the mounting holes, but I won't ask that from a tile guy. if I have to cut the tile so I can run my adjustaboxes out, I'll do a kerf, though.
Ken Brown, would his technique work if the boxes were nailed to studs by the builders?
@@mike1agofastcoburn947 If they were nailed at the proper stickout distance to account for the mortar and tile, or they used adjustaboxes, then the wood would not be needed at all. Regardless, the tile needs to be cut as close to box dimensions as possible or it's not supporting the receptacle or switch as good as it should/could.
@@mike1agofastcoburn947 as dustin said, if they're nailed to the studs at the depth for sheetrock, they'll come up short to do the tile against the box technique, in which case a wood block the same size as the box would help with the tile setting.
in a perfect world, the electrician would set the boxes so a grout line is centered on each device, but in the real world, more often than not, the electrician doesn't even know if there will be a full height backsplash let alone how the grout lines will lay out.
Super interesting! Thanks for your knowledge. I love learning this type of stuff. Used to watch This Old House with my dad all the time, always loved it. Thank goodness for youtube and all you knowledgeable people out there sharing!
As a tile guy I can say this is one of the only channels on RUclips where non tile people do good tile. 👍🏼
Also doing the same thing but with float strips and a level or straightedge would probably speed you guys up a little
Thx 👍👊
Contractor's work is a series of how to solve so many problems. You have taught me so many things since i subscribed. I am a DIY guy and adore your channel. I also envy the relationship you have with your son. That is something else to be proud of as a man. He is already a first grade tradesman. Fatherhood project couldn't have done better.
Thx Alan 👍 really appreciate that 💪
I am absolutely blown away at the attention to detail you guys do in every job. If I were near you, I would hire you to do every project I ever had. Thank you so much for the videos. The content is fantastic!
Thx Keith 👊👍
Great video, I love what you did with the niche. The method of peeling then off of the mesh sheet and then laying you're herringbone over another mesh backer was genius and a complete time saver, I cant wait to show this to my guys at work
A trick I learned the last time I was tiling with the Schluter trim. I used the brad nailer to lock it in place so I didn't have to worry about it moving as we were going down the line.
Do you use mastic or thin set first then brad nail it or nail it and glue over the top followed with the tile?
@@zeke112964 we tacked it and then tiled over making sure to mortar in well when setting tiles.
@@imlon2 Thanks I'll have to try it next time!
Hot glue gun works to tack the strip in place.
I did the same but put a thin layer of loc tight power grip construction adhesive first
Thanks for the video..........I like how you went through the trail and error method to get the tile cut and coverage checked.......its so important for us do it yourselfers to see those steps. I love your enthusiasm. Craftsman. I learned a lot.
Great tip on the two passes. Good to see Jordan expanding his skill set too.
Best video on setting a glass tile backsplash, absolutely, and that tip on cutting 1/2 plywood to cover the electrical boxes, perfect.
The one channel I DO NOT skip through...another great video and love the little tips along the way. I sure could have used that outlet box trick when I did my backsplash...👍👍
Honestly, I respect your guy's craftsmanship so much but it's the bond and trust that you guys have for each other that does it for me. Thanks for the privilege. Keep up the awesome content
I have a whole set of drill bits that drill right through tile with my hammer drill. When I run into the problem with the outlet holes hitting the tile, I just mark the holes and drill them out. Just takes a few minutes and you're done.
Excellent video - I have done hundreds of splashes - glass tile is very challenging - I have actually used a paint on the back that matched the color of the painted surface that is covered with the white backing - the chips disappear - the second thing on those pesky cover plate screws - u can actually nip down the lengths of those screws with your side cutters that will allow the screws to attach to the outlet, but not hit the surface of the tile
The "groutlet" is a fantastic idea 👏
Gets in the way of the trough when you are trying to run a nice bead above and below. Best to use something thinner like a piece of aluminum sheet or some blanks.
Love the “groutlet”. Gave me an idea for all those leftover cover plates…trim them down a bit..presto! Thanks for the inspiration!
@@dghberkleywouldn’t be a bad idea to tile in the space for the cover so it sits below tile level. That would be tricky to finish though
You g man you are fortunate to have a father who teaches you how to think. You will have such an advantage over 90%+ of your competitors and will never find yourself out of work. I know because that was me for many years of this same type of work.
The ‘groutlet’ tip is fantastic and just in time for me to do the next backsplash. I’ll be using that one, thanks!
I just found your videos. I appreciate how you show that it didn't work one way and you made it work another.
Impeccable work as always! You say that you are not a professional tile person, but from what I see, you are better than many "pros" I've seen. Just because you may lack a few tools, seems you have what you need.
Your energy brings a smile to my face...and just happens that tomorrow is Fathers Day 2022
I enjoy watching videos from the trades and learning from them. I can say that watching your video today taught me a couple tricks that I will try in the near future. Thank you for posting.
You guys are unbelievable!…not only do you do incredible work, the music in the background is great……I have several of those songs on my music Library on my phone!…thanks to you!…
The block for the backsplash gfis is a great idea and should be used for all backsplash installments - nothing more frustrating as an electrician installing gfis and the tile guys almost never leave enough space for even the device screws. I find myself cutting down the cover plate screws with my strippers so it doesn’t push off the tile looking like crap!
I have watched several of your videos. So informative on the troubleshooting problems and resolving them for a perfect look.
I would have added some MDF or wood backing to the side walls in the nice. Makes it a lot easier later on if you want to add a shelf or two for more spice storage as you have something solid to fasten your screws in ;)
hello there, i run a marble an tile company for more that 25 yers in south Florida.. and we install lots of backsplash , went it comes to install glass we add some liquid epoxy , thin-set or mortar it self .. won't do life time guaranty.. thanks for the video i really like it .. and a like the idea of electric cover made of wood... nice one ..
Love the tips, you guys did a great job once again. My only comment would be how to get the thinset perfect on the uneven wall, I'd have tried using a screed board setup top and bottom, seems that would have gone faster and even more accurately. Love the tip on the electrical boxes, I will remember that on my next tile job. You set yourselves apart from others by showing the various techniques available (saw, tile snap cutter) and showing the results of each to determine which is best for the tile in use. Thanks for that extra effort. You might also remind viewers that your electrical boxes are depth adjustable, so they can be made flush with the tile. So much great content!
For glass tiles I use glass tile wet saw and never had any problems. It's little more expensive, but it's required for the job. One thing I learned at school, "Every tool has its job and every job has its tool" and through the years it proof 100% correct.
Too funny. I'm looking at the house next door, and I'm like, "man, that looks like Baton Rouge". Scroll down, it is Baton Rouge! I grew up in BR, until moving up "north" to TN. I miss it, but I visit family yearly. Great work, really appreciate the techniques and lack of "we know everything" attitude that some many videos have.
Oh, so they’re fellow Louisianians? Explains why they’re so likeable!
Great video Guys!! You can purchase a glass blade for your Wetsaw world like a charm. The outlet screws can be cut with a good pair of wire strippers the wire cutter actually has holes all you do is screw in the screws into the strippers all the way down and then back them out 4-5 turns and cut them and boom you've made the screws a little shorter just a lil tip an electrician showed. Keep up the good work 👏 👍👍
That is a very interesting method of floating out the wall for your back splash. The only problem I see with it is that it increases the thickness of the backsplash corners (if they are visible). This is also a problem with floating out walls for shower tile. To eliminate this problem, I straighten the studs in showers and other areas where tile is going to be installed so that my interior walls are nearly perfectly straight and flat. This takes less time than trying to correct uneven walls later and it facilitates a very thin layer of thin-set for the tile backing.
With remodels, it is obvious that you have to deal with the cards that you are dealt and it is more difficult to straighten the walls. Still in most cases, new drywall is or with showers, cement tile board (or something like Denshield to use with RedGuard) is going to be installed. So I demo part or all of the drywall, existing shower wall, etc. and I straighten the walls. Then in kitchens where the walls are hidden by tile and cabinets, I install water resistant drywalls and tape the seams. In the showers and bath walls, on remodels, I prefer to install something like Green board or Denshield as a tile backer in the bathrooms anyway. I will usually "sell" the customer on this cost because it allows me to waterproof the walls correctly. A LOT of bathrooms here in AZ were not correctly installed and this allows me to make sure that there will not be water infiltration problems later as the walls and shower get wet thousands of times. If the client doesn't want to pay for this cost, I make them sign a disclaimer that states I am not responsible for the water tightness of the bathroom walls. In all cases in showers I require that I install new waterproofing because IBC codes require it. So eliminating new shower waterproofing measures is not an option I give to clients. If my cost is too high, too bad, I don't do subquality work.
I haven't watched your remodel of this house and so I don't know if you had an opportunity to straighten the kitchen walls before cabinets were installed. Using this technique, many times only two or three studs need to be straightened to fix a kitchen wall. Having framed (houses) for a living, it is fairly easy for me to straighten the walls in most cases and I have found it saves loads of headaches later.
This is not a criticism of your work - you do a great job and I can tell that you really care about doing quality work. That makes you very likable and you possess a lot of knowledge and skill. If I were a homeowner, I would not hesitate to hire you.
@John M Yes I agree. I have worked with a number of older homes and the quality standards back then were often (not always) severely lacking.
I did a remodel of a "historic" home that was built (I think) in the 1920s. With that particular home, in key areas I ripped out a LOT of crooked studs (which were actually a full 2" x 4" in dimension) and replaced them with new straight studs. This took extra time and money but it paid huge benefits later. The home sold for over $50,000 of what it was appraised at.
Again, I am not criticizing you or saying my methods are "better" than yours. Your work is exemplary. I am saying that in some cases (not all) it may be quicker and cheaper overall to straighten key walls when demolition of the old walls and cabinets has been completed. this is particularly true with walls that will be tiled, that have cabinets and in showers.
Have a great new year.
BRILLIANT!! I wish I had known these techniques when I was doing my tile projects. Absolutely love these time saving and professional results. You guys are amazing. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! Every stud pack video I watch, I walk away learning something!!
Really appreciate your detailed & curse-less videos. Just a note coming from a brickLAYER & tileSETTER of over35 years: You LAY brick & SET tile. Keep up the good work!
Also, some very nice tricks on the niche. Thanks again!
I just love how you and your son work together, very loving.
If you use the Fusion Pro stuff to grout, I'd be careful, the sand in it will scratch glass. Last time I used it I did each line with a plastic scraper to avoid scratching the center surfaces of a glossy tile (couldn't avoid the edges being slightly scratched). Also, the cut edges of tile are always hidden under a bead of sealant or an edge strip. Slight chips and whiteness are ok, but in your case the scoring tool is faster and far less messy.
YAY!! Tile cutter for the win!! I was PLEASANTLY surprised at how easy the tile cutter (24") I got was to use on my ceramic floor tile, and now I am SUPER happy that I can use it for glass tile for a backsplash as well! Great videos! Keep up the great work!
I appreciate the quality of work you two are doing. The tips you share will help if I do a similar project for a future home.
What a privilege it is to get the knowledge of such an experienced carpenter
a tip for your wet saw and easier clean up, keep your pump in a clean 5 gal bucket of water, your pump stays 100% clean at all times
Yup!
Nice Tip. Thanks
You guys are great and humble! Very clear instructions and excellent quality of work. Many thx for all these!
we did my son's kitchen recently, I got stuck doing all the backsplash grout myself. he had to go to work that day. it turned out great
I do the same to my screwdrivers (notch the backs).
Love the herring bone pattern... so sweet!!!
Who's the 6 fools that hit the dislike button?? Must be the janky competition down the street! Love you guys. You have taught me a lot of tips and tricks. Keep up the great father/son energy !! Also, tell dad that his back seat is a mess again right after you bought him that sweet organizer !!!!!
Great video gentlemen. Awesome to see a father and son be able to work together so well!
That herring bone pattern came out AWESOME!
Watching all of that makes me really appreciate well done tile work. It takes a lot of effort.
OMG HAHAH I lost it when the drill/impact driver fired LoooooL well done
Such great advice for a profesional looking job. Cant wait until I have time to tile above my kitchen cabinets!
Love the videos! Love the tile. You should try to put the products you use in the description when possible. I would really like to use this tile.
did a tiny tile job the the day, just 5 tiles into an existing tile splashback. Mixed up a tiny bit of white grout and used a plastic bag with the corner cut out and applied the grout like icing on a cake. Straight into the gap, no smearing, no mess, didn't even use a trowel.
Looks like some gutter/ downspout work is in order in front of the garage door. Better call STUD PACK! ✌🏻🇺🇸
Yes keep them on speed dial
You tile work is much better than most so-called pro's that I've seen. I learned from a pro 40 some years ago.
Great video and that tile is gorgeous love the chevron! Can't wait to see the finished kitchen.
In the middle of remodeling our dining room and kitchen - that little block for the electrical boxes looks VERY COOL! I might just not tell my wife I saw you guys do it!!! Great job!
I started watching you with my husband. Now I watch cause I like the way you work. Keep making videos.
Really like how CLEAN you work. Nice to see Ram board, or similar; for protecting counters/ etc….and then cleaning as you go…
The entire remodel on this jobsite has been nice and clean, and imo, pretty cool to see; ad it also makes homeowners happy too.
Know gets very very hot in Florida and south during summer, but if doing demo work (especially “Crete “ work and such….ya gotta cover tape, put up barriers/plastic and even running negative/positive pressure to keep dust, silica, & what not out of the home and especially the ducting and HVAC system. Nothing worse then leaving a finished jobsite and having homeowners STILL “dusting and cleaning” weeks later the demo/remodel “dust” b/c the HVAC wasn’t shutdown and properly sealed up. Not to mention, Construction “dust/& work” get EVERYWHERE &in EVERYTHING if not properly sealed, and I sure wouldn’t wanna clean cabinets/cupboards, I side Fridge (b/c crews are USING the appliances, smh), dishwasher, oven, and so on,
Take some time and properly do the Prep Work before; so not having to do more work later, or cost homeowner money for them getting a cleaning crew in there after ya leave. Just some thoughts, BUT STUD PACK, you boys have been and ARE SUPERB at keeping things high n tight; which makes the jobsites look spectacularly AMAZING👍🏻
Congrats on all the subs & know will reach the GOAL.
Cheers👊🏻
I was watching to see how you ran your thin set trowel grooves in relation to your tile pattern. One direction only.plus Perpendicular (somewhat because herring bone angle) to tile pattern equals best adhesion. Excellent! You guys are legit. I've been building for 35 years and I've learned cool stuff from you guys already. Your son seems super sharp. You must be a good dad for sure.
By far the most enjoyable backsplash video I’ve seen, and I’ve seen about 100 in the last week. Lighthearted, informative and mixed/edited very well. Props to father son duos out there, I hope to be able to tackle projects like this with my boys when they get older.
We appreciate that Michael! Thank you
Great video, guys! A few suggestions: glass tile blade for the wetsaw, mount the glass tile insert on a 1/4" piece of goboard or kerdi board (instead of on kerdi membrane), and hold the countertop guys accountable to set the top properly. I've seen them notch the drywall to slide it in, but prefer them to just scribe it to the wall. It should be within 1/8" along that whole wall, and no one will ever notice the humps in the wall once the backsplash is up. One more: the groutlet is clever, and that's a great name for it, but you have to install outlet extenders to meet code anyways, so just slide them in, tile to them, and install the outlets. Keep up the good work!
The electrical boxes are depth adjustable, so all they need to do is use the screw to make the boxes even with the tiles. You need to watch more of their videos! :-) The wall was too far out of level, even if the counter was set closer those waves would be noticable. Using thinset to make the wall straight is the smart way to go, when the customer puts anything against the backsplash there won't be a gap. Using the membrane also maximizes the depth of the niche, I'd have done what Studpack did, even a 1/4" can make a difference on such a shallow niche.
Your videos are detailed and informative, makes a huge difference for a DIY'er like myself. Thanks!!!!
That niche looks fantastic, love the design you went with. Keep up the great content guys!!
I wish I saw this video the first time I searched two days ago before installing my backsplash! Great idea!!! That inlay shelf will be so useful and looks fantastic.
Liked that kerdi membrane trick to make your own tile sheets! Great job Studs 👍
I’m watching this in 2022 and now you have close to 300,000 subscribers…an amazing feat! Always enjoy your content. Thanks for sharing your talent.
Cutting & installing glass tile is a pita. I'm glad it's on it's way out. Good job none the less.
You two are very nice guys! Very humble as mentioned above, honest, transparent, informative and passionate. You taught me some great tips. I subscribed and look forward to watching more videos.
Thx for the sub Michael 👊👍
Cutting glass tile with a wet saw can be challenging with blowouts. One way to help solve this problem is fill the tray channel flush with thinset or better yet epoxy until hard then run the blade through. Not only does it help with the back blowouts it a nice gauge when lining up your marks.
Or just put a piece of backerboard over the tray and adjust depth.
Thank you for all the advice and tips! Very simple but effective techniques!
Great job boys as always! Looks amazing!! You guys do great work and you can tell you take a lot of pride in your work!!!! Keep it up!!!!
I so love a niche in the kitchen!!!
I'm a pro tile guy and I would say you are to I think part of what makes a pro is being able to improvise you do a jam up job
very special ... great thinking guys!!! and superb results. Happy Father's Day
11:29...some one just learned the word, "niche" and is gonna use the heck out of it. Lol...
Great video. You are very detailed...1st backsplash video i have seen that is done by someone this careful. Thanks!!
I always enjoy watching your videos! As an electrician, I would prefer that the outlet boxes be set out flush to the finished surface during the rough-in stage. That would allow you to have the perimeter of the box to run your tile up to, rather than the groutlet. That’s assuming that the finish is known and the contractors communicate lol.
I have a question. Is there a outlet box that can be adjusted to the depths you need? I was thinking in my novice mind that would work.
A little tip for when you are setting your Schluter trim. Get a hot glue gun and then you can set your trim exactly where you want it and then come back over the inside flap with the mortar
I used clear Gorilla glue and and held it close to wall for it to set. Worked great!
Cool ideal on your reciptical covers, it was always a pain working around it. Keep up the good ideas thanks.
A blade just for glass on the wet saw makes a world of difference
Cuts slow as hell
@@Stevesbe I'd rather it cut slow and be perfect than all chiped up
@@Stevesbe compared to what turbo?
Awesome suggestion on the wood block over the outlet boxes. Thank you!
You should round your inside corners when cutting glass tile around objects instead of square cuts. The square cuts on inside corners give a place for the tile to start cracking because of how much glass tile expands and contracts.
@TJP 81 You would need a wet tile saw like in the video with a glass tile cutting blade. Make your straight cuts on the table of the saw but not completely into the corner. Then take the tile and hold it in your hands and hold it up to the blade while moving it slowly left and right to round the inside corner.
A sanding block with wet/dry abrasive, or a diamond file will smooth a cut glass edge. Dampen either one with just a bit of water and keep the slurry washed off.
My off day I find my self watching others work. Great content as always. I’m an electrician and wish that all tile guys would use that outlet trick !