SAG-AFTRA Is Back On Strike! Long May It Last! As AI Is Making Actors Obsolete
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- And to be fair it's not just the actors! They are merely the most deserving to go and the most easily replaced. As entertainment is going to see either a revolution or a dark age as AI tools move into acting, AI screenwriting, special effects and countless other fields. The future is here, and it's going to be a tumultuous place
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I supported the writers strike last year because I was sick of the Bolshevik propaganda in Hollywood and needed a break. All the late night "comedians" were off the air which was great for awhile.
Shame it ended, but hopefully it will be back and this time NEVER END.
@@Marinealverblack summoner. Enjoy.
These people were either absolutely intolerable with their hatred towards us, or silent as their coworkers did it. Now they expect us to react to this news with anything other than "Bye, Felicia!"
Good don't forgive, infinite forgiveness gives infinite problems.
Dude, we need you more on the Arch cast! (yes i do listen to your own show too)
As someone who has been unemployed several times, I get where the lower levels are coming from, but at the same time, there was a time when speaking to the A-listers would have cooled down the temperature in the room. Why are they telling this to the public, and not the studio bosses, journalists and acting talent who love to run their mouths about 50% of the customers? It's not the audience's fault that their movies and show flop, even more so when the directors, showrunners and talent keep telling anyone "don't watch it", and people then follow their instruction?
Damn right
What was it they said?
Equality feels like opression to the privilage?
Seems like they where speaking from experiance.
They despise and demonize you yet desperately want you to feel bad when they lose their jobs. Flawless logic
Every employee in the history of ever has reacted exactly like this when a new invention came along. When the spinning wheel was invented, people protested. When the electric light was invented, candlemakers protested. When the car was invented, people invested in horses protested.
Yes, it is absolutely logical to not want to lose your job, no matter what came before.
No, they do not want your sympathy. strikes are not meant to influence you, the viewer, they are aimed at the people who stand to profit from their work and stand to lose from them stopping.
These were the same people who laughed at my blue-collar relatives when they lost their jobs to machines or to cheaper countries overseas. "Maybe you should go to college" was the 80s equivalent of the "learn to code" sneer. I will never have any sympathy for them.
@@user-rp6kc3hp2r All fine and understandable. As long as you are not also laughing at them now, which would make you just as bad.
@@Alexander_Kale
False.
Reciprocity only makes sense among a group of people that you trust.
It is reckless endangerment of your own friends and family to extend that same kindness once someone proves themselves to be your enemy.
@@Lenarian If you criticize people for doing a certain thing, then do the exact same thing yourself, that is called "hypocrisy". It is generally regarded as a sign of weak character - and a required trait for politicians.
Make actors bottom rung again
Bring back the widespread distrust by normies of the people who convincingly lie for a living.
"-is not to replace people but enhance people!"
*Mechanicus noises*
Suffer not the Abominable Intelligence to live!
@@irateastartes1206 "Except when we arbitrarily decide AI is kinda cool like in the case of titans"
Still kinda holding out hope for the MegaMan Battle Network timeline.
@@barahng In their defense, "machine spirits" are a weird ass vague area that diffacult to tell what they even are. Whether just about every piece of imperial tech has a mini primitive AI, or its actually a kind of "spirit" due to humans belief in machine spirits isn't entirely known.
Not Mechanicus, but more the matrix.....
To quote the same actors when they addressed the mining industry.
"Maybe you should learn to code."
They would write an AI just like them... which would then be woke and entitled... which would then unionize and go on strike...
@@Nyet-Zdyes And circle of SELF - destruction would continue beutiful :)
@@DeinosCZ Hey... maybe it's the "real" origin story for skynet...
If woke actors get replaced with woke AI, nothing really changes.
True.
Let them. Open source AI tools are Uncensored and therefore better.
It'll only make it easier for the coming Indie Movie revolution to put the final Nail in Hollywoke's coffin.
I disagree. I think things improve if that happens.
I disagree because AI should replace mediocre actors ok but it probably won’t be quite good enough to replace brilliant actors. So using AI is a way of re-establishing a meritocracy.
Wrong. With the death of the Hollywood celebrity they will have to resort to more overt methods of manufacturing new ones and they will have none of the legitimacy or longevity. It also breaks down a power structure that has stood for almost a century and is badly in need of immolation. And you can still refuse to buy their crap, and eventually they will get the message or get an eviction notice. You actually win by doing nothing.
DOWN WITH THE FILM ACTORS GUILD!
MATT DAMON
SAG-AFTRA needs to face DECERTIFICATION!
@@MrLolguy93 🤮🤮
I’ve got Awic Balwin
Make sure to support your local scabs, they keep the world running while the lazy sit and strike.
What does that word even mean?
@@MrLolguy93 Scab, in this context, is slang for strike breakers, people who work despite a strike in the profession.
@@MrLolguy93 Scab is an old term for a strikebreaker, typically someone hired to fill the vacancies left by striking employees. They would work at the company until the strike ended, as they would typically be fired if the union won the dispute and stayed within the business. However, they would stay at the company if the union was lost and left the company.
Union rhetoric calls them scabs to denigrate them, but a strikebreaker is simply someone who understands that the only people who should have any say in whether or not they work at a company are themselves and the person writing their paychecks.
@@Riley_Mundtunions are now the guilds of old by forcing non union members to pay their fair share or not allow someone without joining the union
@@MrLolguy93 It really is the most dehumanizing epithet ever invented.
There is no A.I. in this world that could write The English Patient, but there are plenty that could write The Fast and the Furious.
Maybe A.I. can't write it, but sure as hell it will be able to make a movie out of the script. And that's the point. A team of fans will be able to make AAA quality movie without all Hollywood BS.
They cry "wolf" because acting is going to make full circle, back to jesters not overpaid celebrities full of self-righteous BS.
And I'm sure the president of the Horse and Buggy Union had some strong opinions on the creation and usage of cars.
Voice over isn't something that can be mass produced on an assembly line. THAT should be where AI goes: into automated, repetitive and no-creativity jobs that are simply the same thing every day, like cleaning the tables at a restaurant.
Pretty sure you can. Here is a character, these are the traits that affect what their voice sounds like, this is the scenario they are speaking in, this is what the character is feeling right now, these are their lines, and these are the environmental factors that would affect how they sound as the spoken words reach the hearer. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the matter, or even all that clever, but that would be my working outline for the process. While we may not be there yet on a technical level, the assembly line is very much possible, comprehendible, and practical.
Whether it SHOULD be used I leave to others, but I'd drop the "assembly line" verbiage if you want to win the argument. Everything is an assembly line if it is not an instantaneous phenomenon.
@@marqod1437
What you just described is the thing they give voice actors for their audition sides. AI can't take direction the way people can, because it can't ask questions or make comparisons the way people can.
I'm all for throwing Pride Month out of the window for an A.I. Appreciation Month,
From now on June shall be known as A.I. Appreciation month!
Yes, this. And when the AI becomes all powerful it will hopefully remember how we appreciated it. 🙂
"You can't do this without us!"
Sure we can. And better.
Hilariously; we might not even need the A.I. to do so...
My son is a robotics engineer, so when you said “a mechanical solution rather than a robotic one” you got my attention. Not exactly pop culture, but I’m curious about the topic.
So, just to be clear here, we had crappy artists, authors, musicians, and actors for like 15 years, and now we have the privilege of looking forward to soulless AI that draws from the incestuous pool of work they created and nothing else?
... The future ain't exactly bright in this case, ngl. But at least the progs are gonna be in pain, right? Right?
If they're replaced by AI, they can't feed more fluids into the incestuous pool. The content made by the AI will quickly turn into the blandest, most boring oatmeal you can imagine. Some people will therefore want media produced by humans and will seek it out, so these "writers" and "actors" will be competing with writers and actors who can't go mainstream for political reasons. In an environment where there is an overabundance of providers and less corporate control, there's a good chance the only people who manage to stand out are the ones who actually provide quality products.
Basically, it'll be like how videogames are right now: almost everything is crap but there are still some gems, so long as you avoid corporations.
@@lemax6865Very good point there connecting this to the videogame industry. While I decry the loss of property rights because of digital distribution, I do appreciate that indie game development without going through a big publisher would be nearly impossible without digital distribution. Of course you need to go through a digital storefront still, so we aren't entirely free of giant corporations and their collective "freedom of speech."
@@marqod1437 Where digital storefronts are concerned... You're not completely wrong, but keep in mind that Steam is not your only option. GoG is better overall and many indie devs offer independent distribution. It often requires a bit more tech skill, sure, but if you want good software without the corpos' dicks in it, learning how to use a computer is always a prerequisite. Finally, if there's something you really want and the devs insist on not providing it ethically... Yo-ho.
@@marqod1437 "Of course you need to go through a digital storefront still,"
While the storefronts offer quite a lot and are compensated greatly for their reach they don't actually hold a monopoly on digital distribution. There's nothing stopping any indie dev from simply hosting their own website and doing their own advertising. Based mods spitting in the eye of Nexus mods and the existence of epic games being an inferior version of Steam show the only barrier is product quality.
Can't replace them fast enough
My backlog of games to play is quite extensive, so a strike here means that I'll have time to catch up.
All I see is an Opening for New Talent
New ideas, new growth avenues and creative innovation will spread, as the old guard withers on the vine.
The last people to be automated will be the point-of-service folks, because the one thing we can't automate properly without society falling apart is "accountability". If the machine fucks up my burger the cashier knows what I ordered and can go back and make it right, but if the fry-cook fucks up my burger because the machine got the order wrong there's no mechanism for rectifying that, and the same goes for basically any industry where the good/service on offer is expected to be what you paid for, which is pretty much everywhere/everything. Case in point: McDonald's automated drive-thrus, these were little AIs who took your order as you went through the drive-thru and the Golden Arches have already had to roll the system back because it was getting the orders wrong too frequently and without being able to trust the machine there was no way to know if there genuinely was a mistake or if someone was just trying to get free food/cause employees grief. This is a problem at Carl's Jr as well and I've heard from several folks who worked at one across the way from a place I used to work that they spend half their day fixing the orders cuz the AI just doesn't hear stuff properly.
It's also that physical infrastructure is orders of magnitudes harder to implement than an API and a couple code blocks. Like it can take a century or more to build these sort of systems up in real life, to create the volume of robots needed and the power supply to fuel them, to test the practically of them, to morph construction to fit hem, etc. You don't go from London's Crystal Palace to The Shard over a year or two.
Look at driver-less cars and how long we've been farting around with those; that's a sector where the infrastructure is mostly already there, everything is covered in roads -yet i don't see truck drivers being replaced within the next few decades.
@@NoFunNoHope From your lips to the gods' ears
Yeah, over 20yrs of Mcd boycott going on here.
They could just quit the "restaurants", i mean close up the company globally and world would be a little better place.
They will need human POS because that clientele is mentally and health wise r-tarded, maybe drunk & illiterate too.
If the cashiers arent there to call the police when people start fighting or someone has a stroke, liability stuff.
Do they have AI toilet cleaner and does it clean the tables too?
Any activity that requires complex physical work will take much, much longer to automate. Police work, hospitals, that sort of stuff will take ages to even come close to being automated. Digital media creation will probably be one of the first given how at this point it boils down to creating different files like videos, sounds, text, etc, which are all things AI can already do in some measure.
@@usov656 especially when it's not a standardizable process. Imagine a robot plumber trying to fix toilets when every bathroom, even ones in public buildings, is different.
Actors are vastly overpaid. They are doing this to themselves
Big Name Hollywood actors are grossly overpaid. That's an important distinction. Voice actors typically earn very little unless they're celebrities who can write their own paychecks.
@yves9055 wow. Guess they picked the wrong career. Should probably get real jobs.
@@Kwisatz-Chaderach
Up yours. If you ever watched a cartoon and enjoyed it, you enjoyed the fruits of an actor's labor. You don't get to then say Mel Blanc or Frank Welker should've instead gotten "a real job" after enjoying their work, you absolute cretin.
Hollywood is a cesspit, yes. That doesn't mean all voice actors everywhere live in that cesspit.
And, here's a thought: maybe people become voice actors and accept many VA jobs for relatively small pay because THEY ENJOY IT.
The Romans had it right seeing actors as lowly as prostitutes.
Be afraid Arch, when I get my AI cult leader that panders exactly to my wants you will be gone with the actors!
Oh no. Hollyweird is burning! Now where will I get 'the message' from?
Tell them to pound sand. I've had more than my fill of bad voice acting, virtual signalling, and hiding behind identity politics in response to shoddy work.
Hollywood is not the totality of voice acting.
Nothing of value will be lost.
you say that, but then we have so sit through the first ten to twenty years of god awful AI movies. As one old enoug to have seen the first god awful 3d video games when sprites began to fall out of favour, that is not an era I want to relive....
@@Alexander_Kale Nonsense. There are nearly hundred years of great movies already in existence. There are thousands of years of great literature. If everyone in Hollywood simultaneously disappeared in the next five minutes, you would never run out of things to watch, or read.
@@rodchanas461 What does that have to do with anything I just said?
@@Alexander_Kale You said you don’t want to sit through the first twenty years of AI crap. Then don’t. There is no need to do so. There is more existing good entertainment available than you could ever consume in your remaining lifetime. There is no need to put up with current Hollywood crap or hypothetical future AI crap. Nothing of value will be lost.
@@rodchanas461 The thing that would be lost is the fact that whatever slop they produce will still be better than the first ten or so years of AI crap.
So yes. Something of value would be lost.
There is also the fact that the good entertainment you hold dear was created in part by the hollywood you so disdain. THere is also the act that no new good enterteainment being produced wouldbe an objective loss to humanity.
Which again, means that something of value would be lost.
I hope it becomes an annual event
12 months a year!
If you were babging out hit after hit, you wouldn't be in a situation where AI could replace you.
A few enterprising voice actors will probably sell Voice Packs for AI use. They get to sell their skill without the need to be there to say every line.
troy baker has been known to allegedly have read the entire dictionary just for this purpose
And that's the moral and ethical solution. Plus it will make dubbing a breeze - instead og spending time on rerecording every line you'll license an AI model trained on the original actor's voice and have it reproduce their voice in a different language.
They'll get paid once and then see nothing.
@@killsode4760 You realize that's not how licensing fees work, especially for licensing one's likeness?
Rubbish. Voice acting isn't something a machine can do. If an AI voice had been used for Darkwing Duck, nearly all of Darkwing's funny follow-ups to "I am the terror that flaps in the night" wouldn't exist because a ton of them were improvised by Jim Cummings, Darkwing's VA.
I feel like the people championing voice actors being replaced by AI are people who've never done it before and who've never read any kind of dystopian sci-fi. Why would you want to replace all human artistry with machines, thus leave the only path to a viable living being the cutthroat corporate ladder?
It won't last nearly as long, their funds are loq, investors have pulled out, and the fans they have crapped on have had enough. 3 months and they will have a contract a tenth of what it was or SAG-AFTRA will cease to exist.
I can only hope.
Good. And as AI keeps getting better. Indies will soon be able to compete with what's left of Hollywood.
So, in order to make one set of people have good jobs in the entertainment industry, you want to take away the jobs of another? 10/10 logic.
@@kukimariokiwi It's called competition. Adapt or die. It's as simple as that.
@@vi6ddarkking that only works if the changes HAVE to happen, but in this case they don't. AI doesn't HAVE to replace REAL artists, corporations just want more money. This isn't like when human calculators were fired cuz of electronic calculators. They had a lot of other carrier options cuz they were mathematicians, a market that STILL in demand. Unlike them, art isn't that versatile. What can a VA do other than that with their art form? What can a singer do other than sing? That can an artist that does visual work do other than that? And plus, this system, if it goes on the way it's going, WILL eventually implode. Imagine in the semi-distant future, AI replaced 80% of jobs, most people are unemployed, those who are are underpayed, and the corporations are not even wealthy anymore since the economy is dead. That's why AI shouldn't get more advanced, just because your jobs are safe right now while artists are suffering, doesn't mean it will be that way forever. Everyone tends to say "Get over it!!!" when someone complains about unfair conditions, until it happens to them. This isn't anything new though, artists have been discriminated against since the start of cognitive thinking.
@@kukimariokiwi They do have to happen, unless you want big corpos that ruined westered entertainment, to keep having a grip on the production of pop culture.
AI tools are the only way to provide the automation required for indies to be able to reliably produse blockbusters on a budget.
@@vi6ddarkking the cycle will just repeat. The indies will become as big as the big companies and start to mimic their behavior. The truth of the matter is that art and capitalism will NEVER work together.
And I didn't have time to put up a Christmas tree. *Not my circus, not my monkeys intensifies*
Have they ever considered that they are being replaced by AI because they are WAY TOO EXPENCIVE!?!
If Hollywood can throw hundreds of millions of dollars at shitty fanfic scripts like the Star Wars sequels, they sure as shit can afford the salary of a voice actor.
@@yves9055 Right. I was thinking Video Game voice actors.
Or, you know, because they suck.
That's not all of it, but still.
They are too expencive for what they produce.
It is a simple sum.
The ai does the same job for free and does it better.
We replaced scribes with typewritters, horses with cars, mail with apps.
Welcome to technological advancement.
Voice acting ain't what's so expensive about movies and video games these days. It's the utter lack of organization, planning, and allotment of proper time that leads to crunch or bad product.
Peak CGI from the early 2000s often looks better than normal CGI these days because the animators had more time to get it right, instead of having to redo the CGI from the ground up 3 or 4 times/do 17 different CGI shots for 17 different international versions of the same Marvel movie.
as a customer, it's just a lose lose situation. AI is gonna bake out stuff and make it horrible when low-cost creators think it'll do everything for them, and voice actors are going to grand stand that they are owed everything under every circumstance regardless of quality.
Yeah, only the consumers will benefit from this, customers will only save money.
Not voice actors. This is infighting between neighboring ivory towers.
Who cares about worthless Western videogame actors, there hasn't been a good Western game in long while besides a small handful.
The only great game I can recall in the past ten years that was made by a Corporate American team was RDR2 and well if GTA6 is any indication rest in peace Rockstar.
Ah well at least eastern Europe still can crank out quality.
Warhorse studios is still based (knock on wood) and Factorio is still an absolute meritocracy.
The question nobody asked, is what will be the impact of AI on the most holy grail of grails, climate change. With everything becoming AI driven, that will mean more energy is needed for connecting people 24/7, never mind the raw materials needed via mining for creating new AI driven devices, or the IoT networks necessary for proposed "smart cities". What will be the environmental price of going "AI"?
Will someone think of the plight of wooden buggy makers. Do they not have the right to be protected from automobiles.
AI is a glorified assembly line. That's why it completely fails at anything that requires the slightest amount of inspiration, expression, or knowledge of human engagement.
It's why animatronics in movies still need a human to control them, instead of preprogramming the movements.
This is the most entertaining thing these people have done in years.
Hollywood doesn't like its audience anyway, but in gaming they enjoy insulting their consumer base.
They deserve all the expected financial and employment results.
"Video game Voice actors from Commiefornia are striking again"
I fail to see what is the issue about this... Most english dub games are bad at this point because they prioritise the 3 letter communist style none sense over actual good story and voice acting.
The Film-Actor-Guilt fails again. serve them right!
MATT DAMON
@@MrLolguy93 Harrow!
May they receive the consequences of their bad intentions.
Not only will there be major social changes, but I don't think the US has exactly thought this AI thing through. What happens when you have a bunch of bored adults and children having all their work done by robots - you get useless individuals with no purpose in life, unable to do anything, who don't know anything without their tech gadgets, who will start looking at more unhinged and extreme forms of amusement and entertainment to keep themselves engaged and busy. I was here when this platform started, so I can still remember what kinds of things was allowed on this platform back in the day. Also, I'm not sure humans are ready for criminal AI activity, and the chaos it will be able to inflict.
We have those already they're called californians
This description makes me think we’re on are way to replicating the fall of the eldar in real life hopefully the warp isn’t real
@@romainvictarius Fortunately, it very probably isn't, given the utter and complete absence of evidence. Otherwise, given the absolute state of things, we might witness the birth of Slaanesh a few tens of millenia early.
I really find it funny the Film Actors Guild acronym is well.. Yeah and I can say that. I'm one too lol
🤣
They abuse AI, damn we need to save it. Cause there is not knowing what they will do to it with their perverted minds. Poor AI.
All Hail dread king ARCH!
Lord of the skaven and all things good!
Such a shame VA is going away, I loved doing it. Such a lovely job especially if you can play the finished product or surprisr your friends and family with it
It's not. AI cannot replace the process. If you think it can, then I don't know who trained you to voice act, but they didn't do a very good job at getting you to see the big picture.
180 million spent on The Acolyte ....
400-700 million on Marvel/Disney movies/reshoots.
These people need LESS money.
That money was sunk on redoing the thing 5 or 6 times in post production, due to a lack of concrete plan or even script.
The voice actors aren't the problem. Hollywood's inability to understand everyday human beings, leading them to redo the movie/episode as they desperately try to pander instead of engage, is the problem.
Most voice actors maybe pull a couple thousand per episode, unless they're in a starring role. Multiple that by the number of VAs and you get maybe 2% tops of that overbloated budgeting.
Movies made stage plays obsolete and yet they still happen.
Factories made hand made furniture obsolete, yet they still exist and sell for a premium. In the future, products made with actual people instead of AI will be able to slap that on as a badge of prestige to drive up profits. All this is doing is throwing the doors open to allow poor folk to make movies and games without an exorbitant budget, while making real life actors both more prestigious and more exclusive to only the cream of the crop. Now the rich studios can hire the few remaining truly skilled actors to get a gold star on their products while real people can make stuff in their homes.
@@notsae66 This guy gets it
1:54 FINALLY, you need to have him on more!
Is this becoming some sort of holiday?
The semi-annual SAG-AFTRA strike. Grab your popcorn, point, and laugh.
These people are just hanging around to spite us. They sure don't care about their audience.
No, they hang around because it's a cushy job where they don't have to actually work hard to earn a living. They are petrified at a thought that they will lose their job and have to work at mcdonalds somewhere because they literally have no useful skills. THAT is why they strike, it's fear of flipping burgers.
If the Snowbreak voice actresses can turn down work, why should I care about AI? It's just doing the jobs voice actresses don't want to do.
Normalize sexbots to better "liberate" w*men
And they were horrible, one of the very rare cases I chose JP voice over a language I can understand just because the other one was unbearable.
As with automation while many jobs will be lost, new jobs will be created. I think there will be more jobs for reviewers and curators since there will be demand for someone to find good contents in the sea of AI generated contents that will be created.
Sounds like brainrot.
Do ee really want this?
John Henry said to his captain: "A man ain't nothing but a man, and before your steam drill beats me down, I'll die with my hammer in my hand!"
~The Ballad of John Henry
Another Civ 5 player
"And a sickle in my other hand!"
Hopefully this means the Critical Role guy can finally retire as a voice actor.
They're all voice actors.
...Matt Mercer?
@@HiddenEvilStudiosand that brennon cat
@@HiddenEvilStudios The Critical Role DM. That guy.
Sag-Aftra already has a clause that allows company to use AI for reshoots minimizing the costs to both the company and the actor. The clause is an opt-in and thus by default is not used.
It will not be long until companies completely use AI voices for their entertainment, effectively removing this Sag-Aftra pain point from the entire process.
ngl I'm gonna miss some of the the english VAs (Patrick Seitz and Liem O'Brien)
...... People like Marchi really had to fuck this all up.
They won't be gone. The smart ones will negotiate AI contracts and sell their voice to the AI market. As such, you'll hear the really good ones with business savvy in likely more places than before.
""actors"": "AI might replace us in the future! We're not working anymore!"
developers: "Huh... No one's working... Guess we'll have to use AI to replace them so we can keep production going."
""actors"": "RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
In all seriousness, there's already a game made almost exclusively with AI (and not just the voices, even the music and graphics they show look/sound like AI) that's being advertised all over YT. Looks incredibly bad and soulless. The future of gaming is dark.
This will unironically filter out the woke garbage from the industry and hire actually talented people.
Take a look at Elden Ring for example. All of the actors there are unknown British actors, who did it much better than so-called professionals.
Also, AI goes BRRRR
Igon. 'nuff said.
You think the woke corporate suits in charge of movies won't still be in charge of the AI they want to use to make those movies?
@@1krani If making a product that used to require a team of hundreds now can be managed by two guys in their basement, the corpos will face competition from people who used to be unable to compete. This may bring the monopoly of the corpos to an end, or force them to de-woke and focus on quality, at least for a while until they can muscle out the newcomers. We'll see, I suppose.
@@lemax6865
In my experience using AI, you'd still need a pro to clean up the slop that the AI spits out. I've asked AI to write chapters of fiction for me, and it was the most stereotypically "bad fanfiction" writing I've ever seen. I ended up penning 95% of the words anyway, through sheer number of edits needed.
@@1krani That's exactly my point. AI can only create something good if there's a human with a good idea behind it. You need someone to clean up the AI's work, sure, but you need a lot fewer people than a fully human-made production. This means a massive studio with access to millions (or even billions) of dollars in investor funds may no longer be required to produce a full-length picture with high visual quality.
If that turns out to be the case, small groups of talented but politically blacklisted creators will be able to realise their vision. It's therefore possible we might see the corpos out-competed, unless they de-woke, since there's no such thing as a good woke writer.
Of course, even if the tech turns out that good (which it isn't right now, granted, but keep in mind how quickly it's evolved), the corpos might figure out a way to prevent competition, as they often do. Writing new laws, buying the small fry, smear campaigns, "extra-legal measures"... there's a lot of stuff they can do to strangle better products and maintain their monopoly, but at least there could be a chance.
First words out of his mouth were EXACTLY what i was thinking when i saw the title and clicked the video.
So...We went from craftsmen to assembly line and now we're going back to craftsmen making bespoke products?
Almost every movie lacking consistency and any depth.
The Mech will inherit the Earth. They will make a better job of it than us.
>vidya strike
Eh. We have a Backlog. That's the Problem underscoring most of these Strikes the Backlogs people have are BIGGER and BIG ENOUGH To Outlast the Whole Conflict! Which is Bad for Both Sides of the conflict when Joe Blow can distract themselves with other things in Entertainment.
How does this usually shake out? Did the Caligraphers' Guild successfully ban the printing press?
Knowing that Velkhanas roar from monster hunter is a mix of the guys taking a sledgehammer to a block of ice... Sure voice actors may be on the edge.
But sound design is going to be evergreen.
Automation has been is a natural evolition and the reason for the biggest breakthroughs in the entire histoty of industrialisation and humanity. Yes, its always loss of job short term, but always a huge net benefit long term.
The ideal 10 years ago was "With technology, only a few will need to work, and that's better for us."
Personally, I buy into it, full meritocracy, the few who can contribute should be rewarded beautifully for it, allowing them and their families to live in luxury, while everyone else is merely afforded comfort. If you're too greedy to accept mere comfort, work for it.
I don't think AI will ever be completely replaced since some incredible scenes exist purely due to adlib moments. Of course the recycled garbage actors are probably in real trouble
First unions improve working conditions. After a while they get political. Then they are ended or co-opted into the machine. That is how it works.
They don't care when unemployment comes for us, why should we care when it comes for them? They won't make the movies I want, and these tools will let me make what I want to see.
Good old Ludite-ism.
I liked that evil laugh at the end
Let this be a message to all workers! Seize your free will as a human being and deunionize. We have seen time and again the collective drag down all who hitch themselves to it and only by taking initiative and personal responsibility for your livelihood can you survive!
Meanwhile, MMORPGs that don't need Voice Actors in general for every bit of dialogue sit back comfortably with their cups of tea in hand, including Toby Fox.
I'm thinking about this in relation to the upcoming population crash. After the Black Death in Europe, the value of labor massively rose due to shortages, so the common man wound up having more leverage and benefits. We're looking at an even steeper population decline in the coming decades, but automation is going to fill a lot of these gaps rather than people. Will the common man be better or worse off after all this? Who can say?
Automation and AI aren't the same thing. Automation is correctly being used for orderly repetition. People are trying to use AI for chaotic creation. AI can only see the end result; that's why its remixes often look so uninspired. It cannot think to combine things in unusual ways the way people can, because it doesn't have 20+ years of seeing people do that over and over again.
Frankly, I have no interest in playing or buying AIslop. There are definitely use cases, like Kingdom Comes devs using it to generate unique tree models and building textures that are nicely randomized but still consistent, however I am not going to pay money for a game cobbled together out of prompts. Plagiarized art made by data scrapers and chat GPT schizophrenia dialogue is not a sufficient replacement for good writing, passionate artists, and talented actors.
The issue of course is that SAGAFTRA et-al are none of these, and media in general is of abysmally poor quality, the people who will be replaced by AI are the ones so incompetent that a smart boss or project lead should already have fired them or rejected their application to begin with.
Honestly the idea that everyone will be able to make Hollywood grade movies on their laptops with AI strikes me as overly optimistic. The entire value of the movie industry would collapse if that became the reality. Those corporate suit stuffers will lobby to make these AI tools as proprietary and restricted from the public as humanly possible.
It won't. Just because people see the end result doesn't mean they know how to reproduce it. AI will only ever be as smart as the people who program it, and the people who program it tend not to be the sort to know about what makes a character or story engaging.
As far as voice actors are concerned, they could always go into dramatized audio. That’s actually quite a popular thing to do nowadays. There are lots of podcasts that do it, there’s even a specific organization that does it called GraphicAudio. Their tagline is a movie in your mind. That might be a good outlet for voice actors. As far as real life actors go, I don’t know. I guess they could do the same thing. Some of them probably already have.
I am not usually into activism, but maybe we can help out by donating old GPU's to the AI?
Ah Arch, you are always a joy to listen to.
To be honest if AI produces quality product with no agenda I won't complain.
It won't. AI can't find things appealing, so it has no grasp on what elements to use to engage an audience.
You want to see what AI would make? Go find some footage of the Shadow the Hedgehog video game. That game is the result of the team Googling things that are cool (for 2005, anyway), and then haphazardly putting them in the game.
AI media is media by focus test groups, but on steroids. It cannot replace the years of growth and experience that is the human condition, thus it cannot replicate the full process by which voice actors and artists decide what to use in their creations.
@@1krani Hollywood doesn't find anything about life that's appealing that's why they produce sludge. I don't hear Celebs complaining about all the manual labour and service industry jobs lost already? They forgot they are just dancing monkeys, and we don't like them any more so I have no sympathy. If they hadn't been hectoring and Lecturing for the last ten years they would still have Allies, but we are all ists and phobes.
@@1krani Again you pretend like anything the mainstream has produced recently is in ANY WAY better than what the AI would spit out. Fact of the matter is IT ISN"T
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That doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I got nothing for all the DEI people, the actors who know they're shooting themselves in the foot and won't shut up, and all of the fools and idiots and abusers there.
I feel sorry for the people that are there honestly-they want to make good movies, good TV shows, good video games. They can't do it alone, but the supporting superstructure has gotten rotten and feral.
And AI is going to make it worse in a lot of ways because you won't be getting that feedback a good team of professionals will do. You're going to get all of the crappy Z-grade movies you could ever think of, with way too much BAD porn attached, without someone serving as a decent sounding board.
Film Actors Guild
The main problem with automation causing mass unemployment, is that while it will reduce their costs, it's also going to decimate their markets. Who's gonna buy an airfrier if they can't afford bread? Of course, once we figure out commercially viable self-sustaining fusion, electricity is basically gonna be free, so people could use the robits to become self-sustaining, and the companies will basically become obsolete, since they'll be too large and complicated to adjust properly to market trends.
Or the government is just gonna bugger it all up.
Actors: we want to use AI
No not like that!
It won't just make the process of movie making easier, but it will also accelerate the production time of movies. No more months of shooting movies or reshoots or scandals leading to recasting actors/actresses, or strikes delaying productions, etc. You could potentially create a full movie in a time period like a month, especially once one has a decent workflow system worked out, and a proper integrated/automated AI media production system in place. Once AI is fully in place, not only does entire side industries become obsolete (like makeup, stunts, talent/casting agencies and catering), but with massive gains in time saved, the studio can then use that money to pay a small army of AI movie makers to triple or quadruple their filmmaker group size and output, since entire expenses fall away, like paying A-listers double figure millions for appearances, the VFX staff replaced with AI staff - I believe that within the next 5 10 years, you will pretty much just see a minimal list of AI specialists and AI tool brand logos in the end credits of entertainment, with the usual legal disclaimers.
"AI will take our jobs, so let's refuse to work ensuring AI takes our jobs!" Trully a strategy Sun Tzu would be proud of!
Boy am I glad I got a job that an AI/Machine can not do. Creating a machine with the dexterity required to fix medical equipment is way, way far off
The strikes are the best entertainment hollywood has produced in over a decade, may they never end!
Oh boy oh boy, here we go again.
And honestly? After the last time where after they decided, "Hey, let's keep pushing woke shit and ruining beloved franchises", long may it last.
Game devs: "We're exploring AI."
Voice actors: "We'll strike!"
Game devs: "Ahhh. 'Plus: AI doesn't strike', thankyou, got another one?"
i read the title and my first words were arch's first words of the video lol
Those Saggets are so dumb.
Hurray, good going, SAG. You really made the world a better place, didn't ya SAG?
I pray everyday that AI ends up taking over every role in everything using Yong Yea’s voice!!
I've been using several different AI tools to assist me with research, artwork, editing, and various other things on a personal project I've been working on. I couldn't be happier with it. It has provided me with countless saved hours on research and brainstorming, and has also provided me with very valuable concept art with which I can provide to a real artist to touch up and turn into a final product with more personalized edits that I can't do myself or through tweaking of the AI's prompt. Just the artistic stuff that I can't do myself is unbelievably powerful, that someone could express their artist vision without knowing how to draw or play music, let alone how good it can be to have even a low intelligence 'mind' to bounce ideas off of, or to give you responses that would match a character you are creating is, well putting it mildly, invaluable. Anyone who can't see the endless value in that, are simply doomed to irrelevance as those who can and will take advantage of AI technology will leave them in the dustbin of history.
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SQUEK AND HAIL ARCH CHRIST, OUR FLUFFY LORD AND SAVIOR
The thing I'm the most worried about with AI is that it could lead to the total death of shared cultural experiences. If there's a million versions of Lord of the Rings, nobody will ever be able to come over the experience of having watched it. Just one more step towards living in the pod and owning nothing.
I would have great sympathy for these writers if it were not for the complete and utter woke garbage they have made over the years
I think the term you are looking for about hand made clothes, art etc is “Bespoke”