Will do mate 👀 would be awesome if you could make it for a race or two! Got a full schedule ready to go, just need to confirm some of the finer details, hit me up on Discord and I'll send you what I've got planned 👍 Daniel D Finney#8043
A snippet from the KW Studios website "KW Studios is about to enter an exciting new phase. With renewed backing we’re looking to expand our team and take advantage of the next-generation engines that can deliver the ultimate in virtual racing experiences" I'm hoping this means we are about to get a RaceRoom engine update soon which will bring the visuals up to date with other sims (even iRacing). That alone will entice a hell of a lot more people into the sim
Totally agree on all points you make Dan. Priority for me is stability in online racing/servers. Raceroom is the only driving sim installed on my system so it has to be good for me. If I were to give an overall score out of 100, it would be 95, and that is not by comparison, just for what it does for me
I imagine that the servers would be much nicer for you back in the UK compared to over here in Australia, since you're closer to the 'home base' so to speak, but I'm aware they're still not immune to issues. Unfortunately ranked racing on the EU servers is a no go over here due to the disconnects and with no one really taking part in AUSNZ anymore, it's a bit of a ghost town which is a shame because I much prefer longer races with a bit of strategy to get stuck in to.
Bring on Britcar! Also love Raceroom, the driving experience is good, netcode is awesome, but so much is not there. Night, weather, track temperature changes, track evolution. If it wasn't for the great community I race in, would find it harder to keep on with it.
It's easy to say that for any sim. As an iRacing fanboy I wish for a more complex tire model, at least with some sort of flat spot / dirty tires / punctures e.t.c. It would make the races so much more intersting, especially with the rain that should be coming eventually.
Couldn't agree more mate, if it wasn't for AUSNZ I probably would have spent a lot less time in RaceRoom over the past couple of years. Whether it was hosted championships, Tuesday thunder or organised ranked racing there's always been something going on in terms of community racing although it's sad to see a fair few of the regular names dropping out recently for one reason or another.
Biggest priority needs to be a graphical update, at minimum to RF2 levels. But imagine if it set the new standard... Probably wouldn't have to even do much else. Next, focus on stabilizing the servers and reducing loading speeds. Finally, the last big area to focus on I think is a Day/Night cycle. This could show off the new graphical update and enable realistic endurance racing.
The underlying driving feel is absolutely superb and I get comments on the channel all the time from people who've decided to try RaceRoom and were blown away...that said, the lack of these features is probably a big turn off for those deciding on a new sim. Unless you're made of money then it's a case of deciding which sim to purchase and then getting involved, and sadly most people will look at the surface and see which looks better and has more modern features. Only if someone stumbles across a RaceRoom video or a RaceRoom advocate might they be convinced to 'look beyond the surface' and give it a try. Like you said, they wouldn't have to do much else if it became more attractive to new players 👍 although I believe night racing and proper endurance should come hand in hand with driver swaps too for the best experience.
Thank you Paolo 😁 a surprising number of shots went into making what turned out to be a relatively short video by my standards, something like 60 different clips from replays and driving.
RR's FFB/Physics/choice of tracks/cars/sounds makes it the best SIM for me... but I can see where the graphics is holding the title back. Hopefully, they upgrade their rendering engine...
As someone who goes by the name of VFX Pro, I know I can trust you when it comes to discussing graphics and visuals 😉 (and yes, I do agree, an overhaul of the engine would definitely bring it back up to date in line with other sims)
yes but ya cant race as close as you like too in ACC the other guy is going to end up in a different dimention, Raceroom is still the king of close racing and that is what i fear will change with a change of engine
@@scbsimracingcommunity390 Absolutely! That's one of the things I always loved about RaceRoom. I don't appreciate contacts but at least the cars are not bouncing off each other like they're made of some sort of very hard rubber. :D
Yeah I guess the definition of 'fanboy' is someone who defends something in the face of obvious flaws and ignores all criticism regardless of the evidence presented to them 🤔 which is definitely not the case here. Any criticism of RaceRoom from myself is only ever meant in a constructive manner and I just hope that this makes a few people sit up, take notice and do something about it. I can hope, right? 😅
It's a great feature that I wish was in many more sims, especially iRacing where the costs for a single car are much higher compared to anywhere else. How am I supposed to know which GT3 I want to drive, for example, when I'm going in blind and being asked to take part in an enduro?
As someone who has been putting off a move to PC due to prices and a few other things and trying to get my simracing in on console and vicariously through watching your videos, damn this stuff makes me wish I had just pulled the trigger so I could play with it now. Charade and the Crossles look like so much fun, and if the MX5 Cup is even half as fun as it is in AC then it would surely be a blast at the great variety of lesser known/smaller tracks RaceRoom has, like Knutstorp and Salzburgring in particular. RaceRoom's content has put it really high on my list for when I do finally pick up a PC, but the missing features do also hurt a bit and it will be interesting to see what happens with the game going forward. If the game can't be updated/upgraded with rain and time of day and driver swaps and stuff and they have to move to a new title, then it makes it not feel like such a smart move to be spending on all the content that likely won't carry over.
It's never too late to pull the trigger mate, just don't expect me to take any responsibility for your financial hardship if you do 😂 in all seriousness though, Raceroom is an absolute gem of a sim in terms of variety of content and, because it's all official content developed in house and not mods, you know it's going to be of a certain high standard of quality too. Having worked closely with the team responsible for the physics, AI, balancing etc behind the scenes (thanks to having the beta testing version to make these videos) I can't begin to appreciate enough the work that they put in. With more resources they could afford to get a new engine up and running _and still_ work on this new content at the same time, but unfortunately right now it's a case of prioritising the work that will bring them the most revenue and keep the company alive. If I ever came into a substantial amount of money I know which sim racing developer I'd be investing in 👍
I am one of those odd "new to Raceroom in 2023" players and I love it. The feel of the cars on the road is best of all sims imho, and the AI is better than all but maybe AMS2. Sounds are also amazing and that MX5..... wow! Offline mode just as good as the others. Weather is ok to have but nobody really uses or wants it after the cool factor wears off and you have a 3 hour endurance race lol
The driving feel is one of the main reasons I keep on coming back to RaceRoom, especially since they removed the 'canned' effects and updated the FFB to be completely physics based a couple of years back. It might be falling behind in a few areas compared to other sims these days but in terms of the feeling behind the wheel and the smile that gets put on my face, RaceRoom always does it for me. The sound is also top notch, as a trained audio engineer I can definitely appreciate that 😉 In terms of AI though I've got to admit that it used to be a lot better in RaceRoom sadly, and AMS2 by comparison is sort of a 'best of the bad bunch' kind of situation as I find the AI over there quite erratic, especially when it comes to the difficulty level since there's no consistency between cars, tracks, weather or even quali vs race. At least in RaceRoom there's the Adaptive AI option which gradually learns your level and matches you. In my opinion, iRacing is right up there in terms of AI quality at the moment 👍 although it's a bit odd saying that for a sim which is entirely focused on online racing.
I will happily trade the dynamic weather, day-night features etc. for the amazing car "feel" that Raceroom brings. And I pretty much have. And until other sims with the afore mentioned features can match the feeling of weight transfer and other useful physics that RR brings, I will stick with it. I mean the granular and more detailed feeling of the ACC tire model is great but I find that RR is much more predictable and "savable" when I go over the limit.
That's what keeps drawing me back to RaceRoom too, the driving feel. Something about the way the physics and the FFB work together give you a feeling of car that you can really push and find the limit, but also drive slightly beyond it and save it without too much drama. In ACC and iRacing once you reach the limit of grip, you dead 😆 whereas AMS2 and rF2 allow you to drive way beyond it with very little consequence.
Totally agree. I love AMS2 but RR just feels more realistic when driving. I dont care about eye candy or weather because that usually gets turned off eventually.
I agree with the last point. Load times and technical guesswork is what keeps me away from racing on RR regularly. What's specially bad about the first one is that even if you have the game on a SSD loading replays or launching the game still can take a long time. For me it got to the point where if I'd need a screenshot for a stream thumbnail I just check if I have the same car/track combo in AC and take the screenshots in that game because it's faster that way. I like RaceRoom but I feel they'll need to fix up whatever causes these problems because they are getting out of hand.
The load times became very apparent for me when making this video in particular, having so many different shots of different cars and tracks sprinkled throughout. It took about 3 minutes to get a two second clip of Nogaro, for example 😬 and I know that this might not bother most people who are loading in for one race a day and then closing RaceRoom, but for those moments when you want to test a lot of different cars or record a lot of different replays it does get very tiresome quite quickly. PS. Good idea about getting the clip from AC instead though, sneaky 😆
@@DDFRacer Yeah that perfectly describes the situation. It's perfectly fine for those who just do a few daily races but the more you want to do the more you'll have to pay with your time.
As much as the "Other Sim's" have those extra perks, I honestly feel that RaceRoom has sufficiently enough to keep me interested and racing until something betters what it already does. The only thing I'd maybe like to be added would be night racing. I've never got on with the likes of AC, ACC or RF2, as much as they are excellent sims, RaceRoom is where my heart is.
Same here mate, I always come back to RaceRoom for some quality driving and racing no matter what else is out there. AMS2 looks nicer, iRacing has a much bigger playerbase, rF2 is amazing for endurance racing, AC can be modded to hell and back...but they just don't feel as nice as RaceRoom somehow or put the same smile on my face. The FFB they released last year really transformed it and, especially with these new cars, the variety of content is superb and, because it's _official_ content, you know it's gone through the full testing process and is of a certain high standard. We can dream though, right? 😉
Sure thing mate 👍 I'm using SimHub but have designed my own custom overlays. You can grab them for free, there's a link in the video description to my Discord server which has all the download links and instructions.
Can agree with you. I am a Raceroom fanboy too, but they are struggleing a bit with technical issues and for some it seems, that they do not work at these problems. For me, RR is running fine, I can live with lower graphics, day and night is fine, but not really necessary. If they would bring in rain the right way (not like ACC) the majority would not want to drive in rain.
I'm sure you appreciate that any criticism I might have towards RaceRoom is coming from a place of love and not just for the sake of being negative. I'm a massive fan of the sim and only want to see it succeed, but I didn't think it would be fair to make this year's video and ignore the problems that people have been experiencing. Just going "hey, look at these awesome new cars!" and leaving it at that wouldn't come across as genuine in my opinion, but it was quite nerve wracking sending this to the devs in advance of the update as I'm sure you can imagine 😅 but the response they had was overwhelmingly positive. They're fully aware of the public perception of RaceRoom at the moment and are working hard to keep people happy with the very limited resources they have 👍 fingers crossed for some big news in 2023.
@@DDFRacer Your criticism is right. I know some people with problems in RR that never really solved. Totally agree with you, and hopefully, they improve.
When I first started out, I had a few comments from people saying they wanted me to drive without VR so they could see my eyes and my concentration, emotions etc. Driving without VR wasn't really an option to be honest, since I rely on it so much and am pretty terrible without it, so I figured out a compromise by putting a sticker of my face on the front of it instead 😅
Man I almost forgot I even had Race Room lol. I haven't been on it since I got my VR up and running on iRacing and AMS2. I think I'll get on there today and see how the VR feels. Thanks for popping up in my feed 👍
Happy to do you this service mate 😁 although RaceRoom isn't super optimised in terms of graphics to be honest so you might want to run shadows on Lowest or Off to be safe. Also, depending on how long you've been away, you might even get to experience the awesome new FFB for the first time as well.
@@sim_racing_pops1675 unfortunately I can't help you with that one there mate as I've never used a Moza before and my CSL DD settings would be completely different/wouldn't apply. Your best bet it having a look on the RaceRoom or Moza forums to see if anyone has already posted some recommended settings 😎
@@DDFRacer yeah it’s a hard one getting your first dd and working out how much gain to have 65 in acc seems bout right Struggling to get the right balance for ams2
@@DDFRacer hey fella Do u know to calibrate a wheel in Raceroom I brought the moza r9 and for the life of me I can’t get it to the be 1-1 on the driving animations Cheers
I think RaceRoom has some of the best content available for retro racing like the Group 5, GTO, and Group C cars. I'd love if they were to add to the Group C as two models doesn't feel like enough, and getting more GTO cars would be awesome as well. I think at least getting a day night cycle would be nice. I think RaceRoom also does custom races/championships better than anyone else by allowing you to select the specific cars you want on the track. Aside from the outdatedness of the game my only other gripe with RR is the lack of customizability with car liveries, and the aggressive AI. I really struggle to find a challenging AI without it either killing me like I am not there, or being uncompetitive and slow. Last time I tried to use the adaptive AI it is like 2 races that are unbelievably easy, and then by the third race they are killing me rocketing around the track and driving through me like I am not even there. For the liveries, having a hodge podge of liveries from multiple series is not my cup of tea as it breaks immersion. I'd rather have fake liveries that are all representative of a singular series than the hodge podge you see in the GT3 class for example. This is a minor gripe though. I stopped playing RR because from my point of view it seems like their isn't much focus on improving the sim and adding the missing features it needs and instead of more focused on one off content that IMO doesn't feel super cohesive. I might be wrong since I don't follow the game as closely anymore, but when I check the forums it seems like a ghost town IMO.
The problem with night racing is that it would also need to include lighting/shader updates to allow for multiple light sources for trackside, billboards, the moon, headlights etc and night need some pretty significant reworking of the code. I would love to see it too though, can you imagine Macau under lights 😍 it would be incredible! Very valid points across the board mate and, like I said in the video too, I can't disagree with what you're saying. I understand that there are licensing issues in place but having no option for custom liveries is a bit of a downside, especially with leagues running their own races. I'd never really thought about the authenticity of the GT3 paints either to be honest, it's never been an issue for me, but I can definitely see how it wouldn't be great for immersion if you were going to authenticity. I suppose the TCR, DTM and ADAC classes are pretty good in that regard though.
@@DDFRacer I figure if some dude can mod AC for lighting after Kunos said it'd be impossible, R3E engine could be reworked as well. Yeah the DTM stuff was what initially pulled me into R3E. I thought it was super cool they were getting full series support, but it feels like outside of ADAC and TCR now they don't really have any other official series. Hopefully that changes and R3E gets some major updates, because the more high quality options we have the better.
I'm lucky enough to have a direct line to the dev team due to having access to beta testing builds of RaceRoom. This allows me to make videos like this which feature all of the new content, ready for release day. Honestly, they're a great group of people and work incredibly hard with the limited resources they have. Since I tend to post my videos with them for the final approval (mostly to make sure I get my info/facts correct) I can assure you they definitely heard me at the end 😅
Oh mate, the new cars are lots of fun to drive...and different too. It's always nice to expand the roster of GT3/GT4/TCR to have wider variety in each class, but these new additions are _completely_ different to what already exists in RaceRoom. Along with the FRX22 and trucks, they're really adding some nice variety instead of just 'more of the same old' 👍
very good video indeed day/night cycle and weather implementation will add to the value and will not be behind other sims anymore i hope developers listen to you
After being granted early access to the update so I could make this video, I certainly got a few raised eyebrows from the developers when I released this 😉 but in a good way. I've been a long time supporter or RaceRoom so they know that what I say is genuine and comes from a place of love, and isn't just me trying to score a few quick clickbait views or cause controversy.
As someone a little new to sim racing I have found RaceRoom the perfect place to start. Easy to get into without over complicating anything. The Rookie Ranked servers are perfect to start online racing too.
That's what attracted me to RaceRoom in the first place too, especially coming from using rF2 for several years...it was just so easy to set up and jump into a session. No fiddling around with settings for hours 👍
The dev team behind Raceroom are superb, a really good bunch of people who're always looking to make things better but probably held back by a budget which is significantly less than other racing sim studios unfortunately, along with a rather dated game engine these days. The fact they can do what they do with the resources they have is pretty impressive and Raceroom will always hold a special place for me as it was the main one I raced with on the channel for many years.
tbh I couldn't care less about day/night and weather, not an endurance fan, R3E does sprint racing the best and that's what I like, well once its loaded in that is...........
Very good point mate! Sprint racing, reverse grids, ballast etc, it's got all the trademarks of a sim aimed towards emulating TCR style races which makes sense since the FWD cars in RaceRoom are some of the best out there. Shorter races also mean less time for your net to drop out as well 😉 which is nice bonus. Always a pleasure to race (or attempt to keep up) with you Damo, hopefully catch you on track again soon!
FYI praga not a mod in ac. love it dan, Racerrom sorta need to fix the stability of their game I've had more crashes in rre than another game,slow loads times yeah don't think we'll ever get that fixed.made some really good points mate,but at the Sim racing expo they did talk about a new IP so we know they are working on something new :)
I'm not sure if the one DDF's referring to is the base -game car. Jimmy raced the R1T whereas the Kunos one is the R1, so it's an older chassis, it has no ABS, an older TC system and just over half the power, so if DDF drove an approximation of Jimmy's R1T, it was most likely a mod.
@@StevePhoenix yeah I know just was pointing out assetto corsas wasn't a mod :) blast to drive wish iracing listened to SVG when he helped them with the v8supercars in iracing.
I actually forgot that the Praga is default AC content so that's definitely an error on my part there 😅 ha, and I thought I'd checked my script several times too...
I so want to like R3E, but I always come away either underwhelmed or thinking I've got that for free in AC too often. This content drop looked good, but then I realised its only because these are exactly the sort of cars and tracks I drive so often in AC. MX5, Russell-Alexis F Ford, Charade etc. I'm not a sim snob really, live and let live, so if R3E is anyone's favourite, good for them.👍
Couldn't agree more mate, there are so many sims out there today we can afford to pick and choose the ones that suit our needs the best 😉 and in terms of looking good (especially in VR) and mods, AC wins hands down. However, I would say that the way AC deals with car to car racing/contact is much worse than RaceRoom though, especially for higher pings (Australia vs Europe for example) so that doesn't make it a great choice for organising community events unless the content you want to use isn't actually in RaceRoom. Swings and roundabouts eh?
@DDFRacer Absolutely. The type of content itself is right up my own particular strasse, and if R3E is your sim of choice, it's a no-brainer. I'd be interested, just out of curiosity, in the AC vs R3E MX5, as the way you were describing it sounds very much like the AC version. I don't recognise the MX5 from the way you were describing the iRacing one, tbh.
Having the ability to race 'offline' without needing to dial in to the RaceRoom servers to get your content would be a nice feature, could potentially reduce load times since all of the content is stored locally on the computer anyway.
Rig is now set up so just setting up all the Sims, mapping buttons now, super keen to try the Praga and the Crossle 9S. I am hoping stuff like Rennsport give the other sims a kick in the pants to stay competitive.....also read GT the new Forza will be coming to PC, which would be nice for a bit more arcadey fun. Also the slow mo drift and music choice 👌👌👌👌
I'm hoping they'll integrate dynamic lighting using the soon to be released RTX toolbox (forgot the name) from Nvidia. From what I understand it can relatively easily be applied to DX9 and DX8 games. Just having dynamic lighting in the game would solve the dated graphics look it has. And I imagine would make it easier to integrate day/night cycles after that. That's hitting two birds with one stone in my opinion.
Oh that sounds pretty good if it can be implemented 🤔 never heard of it before but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on it. Any kind of easy win like that would be a must have for such a relatively small dev team.
@@DDFRacer Not sure why my reply got deleted or if this is a bug and you'll see 2 replies on your end? But Google Nvidia Remix. That's the tool I was talking about.
@@TheRoadrunner11 Yeah strange, I only got the one reply and notification come through for this comment. RUclips be weird like that sometimes. Thanks again for the tip👍
I wait for many years that KW finally wakes up and brings this sim on up to date tech and features. But an new engine would not be enough. The content, especially the car models need to be remade from scratch to be on par with nowadays standards like in ACC. Beside from the cockpit view the car model look like Race 07 detail :D Also lascerscanned tracks is the way to go nowadays and this standard sells tracks.
I don't necessarily think that the car models _themselves_ are that bad, the detail in the car body designs are really nice in RaceRoom and some new shaders would make an absolute world of difference. The biggest gripe I have is the dashboards, they all use the same generic LCD screen instead of true to life dashboards which you find in all other sims. This really takes away a lot of the immersion/realism for most people as it doesn't feel like the actual car you're driving, it feels like a cheap knock-off version, even though it's official content! There must be a reason it's like this though, perhaps some hard coded feature of the dashboards they can't work around? Who knows. Also, regarding laser scans, I believe all of the new content released by RaceRoom in the past few years has been based on laser scan or Lidar data 👍
That's a good question and I genuinely have no idea mate 🤔 especially since no servers = no raceroom, not even single player mode. I could see it going one of two ways and they either make the content available offline but remove multiplayer support and updates, or they provide some kind of discount for the same content in RaceRoom 2 or whatever it might be called.
Good review, appreciate your honesty ! For me, the real problem is that getting the game to work is a very hit and miss fair ... graphics also very dated ... slow load time is because they are trying to encourage sales in the game, which subtracts from the entire experience! Leave the advertising for Website / Steam store, else it feels forced, and the only force that feels right is wheel force feedback 🙂
I'm not quite sure I buy into what you're saying regarding the slow load times being done _intentionally_ so that you spend more time staring at the loading screens 😅 it's because they keep on adding more content and getting more and more users but don't sufficiently beef up the servers to deal with it. Even a CDN based system with local servers would be a nice improvement, compared to a central server location which everyone has to connect to regardless of where you are in the world, which is what they currently have. Besides, most of the loading screens are information and contain the ranked schedules, suggestions for button mappings, explaining features of the game etc.
Oh mate, you're going to love it! When I was recording the footage for this video and testing the new cars out a few weeks ago I did an hour in the MX5 without even realising, it's super addictive. And thank you for the kind words too 😁 much appreciated!
Good question, not sure mate 🤔 maybe they try and limit the rotation to avoid people having to buy new content every week, or maybe try and feature tracks that are included in their starter packs.
So hard living in Cali to play. I can only have a few good races and it has to be before 2pm Pacific time before servers empty out. I wish they would promote more for the American market
Same here in Australia too, unless a ranked session is organised by a league then the servers are a ghost town. Even if we do organise something then it tends to be the same people showing up for the races each time so why not just to the races _we want to_ without having to conform to the ranked car/track combos? Seems odd 🤔
A bit late to the party here but I can only back up what's already been said 👍 I'm running a 3080 too although using the older CV1 headset. I find that shadows and visible cars have the biggest impact, although RaceRoom is heavily CPU dependent, your GPU will be cruising most of the time due to the way this sim is optimised. In terms of purely nice visuals AMS2, AC (and even iRacing) are definitely better but that's not to say RaceRoom is bad, it's still very nice indeed.
Like I-Racing the only problem with R3E is the cost, even after buying the DLC's you still have to purchase even more stuff to join races, not everyone has deep pockets with spare cash to throw at these sims, that said it is a great sim in comparison to others on most points
Although the overall costs in RaceRoom are much lower than iRacing, and like Andy said there are no subscription fees, I do get what you mean Colin. For example, as someone who purchased the Ultimate pack and owned _all_ of the content in the game at one point, to then have to purchase each new subsequent release at full price seems a bit...odd. Surely there should be some iRacing style discount based on the amount of content you already own 🤔
Raceroom is my sim to go as well, the driving feels better, races are somewhat cleaner, I hardly see a actual ram, some punts from mistakes or greedy moves maybe, but I love driving it.
I think that the way RaceRoom handles car to car racing and collisions (especially when the ping isn't too high) is really solid and allows you to trust your opponents more which is probably why we find the racing to be 'better'. You can get lost in it quite easily. We're all familiar with the iRacing 'netcode' of cars warping around, disappearing or making contact when there was clearly a gap between you...that kind of stuff doesn't give you any confidence and really discourages you from actually racing, it forces you to be much more conservative and turns excitement into stress.
We can only hope that they're already working on something behind the scenes and splitting their (already limited resources) 🤞 however, if it's still early days then the worst thing they could do is announce it since it adds a lot of pressure and you never know if a project is going to actually make it through to completion or not. Look at GTR3 for example, lots of hype and big talk but no results and lots of disappointment/cynicism.
I do believe that track temps and wind speed are currently a thing in RaceRoom now, although they might not have any effect on the cars themselves yet. It's promising though, we can hope for full functionality in a future update 🤞 don't forget that adjustable tyre pressures never used to be a thing but they're slowly being brought in to various cars across many physics updates. Alex the physics guy never sleeps so I'm quite excited to see what he cooks up next.
No matter what other sims I use, I always come back to RaceRoom with a big smile on my face and that says it all for me really 😁 although it's nice to dream/hope for what might happen in the future.
Even better, it's a CV1 😉 In all seriousness, this headset does everything I need and has been rock solid for about six years now. I know there are newer models out there with better resolutions etc, but I also see a lot of problems with IPD adjustment, lens quality, melted charging ports and poor wireless picture quality with latency and artefacts. Until this one breaks I'll keep on using it but it'll be tough to pick a replacement.
I lose track of what they have and haven't teased to be honest, and I also have to be careful I don't get mixed up between what's in the test version that the devs give me access to and the regular version which is publicly available 😅 I've had a few close calls when filling air on streams recently, remembering "no Dan, you're not _actually_ allowed to talk about that yet..."
For me RR is one of the top 3 in terms of time driven and regarding the feel it gives me when racing, be it against AI or on ranked MP. But... the engine is getting stale, even if Vulcan is now allowing for more FPS it doesn't do anything to make it prettier. Now, graphics isn't averything you might say and I'd agree - to a point. And for me iti sn't the greatest problem RR has - it's the AI inconsistent pacing on various tracks since I'm predominantly an offline wannabe racer. RR is now at a point that it'll have a hard time attracting new players outside the established playerbase and I sincerely hope that KW Studios is seriously working on a sequel. A hint of sorts can be witnessed on KW web... Anyway Dan, a great end of year RR video again! Both thumbs up!
Nothing will beat AMS2 when it comes to inconsistent AI 😅 man, that sim is all over the place in terms of car/track combos and weather conditions. You can go from 2 seconds a lap faster to 5 seconds a lap slower in the blink of an eye, so at least RaceRoom is a little better in that regard. I hear what you say though, it's still not perfect but when you consider the amount of variables that go into it (also including different driver skills) then it's quite impressive. Completely agree regarding attracting new players though, when people are deciding on which sim to invest in which one are they going to choose? The shiny one with all the new features and a 5 year newer release date...or the one running on an old engine with day/night, weather, driver swaps etc missing? It's sad that it's so superficial but it's true 😥 if people looked beyond the surface they'd find an absolute gem of a sim in RaceRoom.
Yes, I agree completely on both your points. Re AMS2 I was put off by it's inconsistent AI pace between dry&wet and general pace among other less glaring issues. RR is better in this regard and the devs are open to feedback and make adjustments when some glaring AI pace issue is pointed out (not saying Reiza woudn't be if I could be bothered to). So with proper feedback AI can be improved still. For the rest I really hope a new game is in works at KW. Regards, TM
I'm sure if they could, they would have done so by now 👍 however I imagine it's more than just a case of drag and drop since a lot of the way RaceRoom works is hardcoded into the current engine and would need to be redesigned completely. KW Studios are quite a small team compared to other sims out there who have much bigger budgets and a re-write like this would probably need *a lot* of time and resources to do well.
I hope they port it all over to a new engine, if financing it all would be a factor against doing it, I wouldn't mind if when you boot up the game there is a message on the top or something where you can donate money to get them to afford to transfer everything to a new engine. Kinda like a kickstarter where there is a goal of x amount of money to do such a tedious job. We gotta remember that it is a job, and they need to be able to afford to pay all their employees! And maybe if the goal wont be reached either that money goes back to you, or maybe you get to spend that money on content in the raceroom store! Now I have no idea how they are doing financially. And I can imagine that moving over all their stuff into a new engine is more work then to just start over fully, if not just as much work. So in reality I don't think that would happen (glad to be proven wrong though!). So if anything there would be a RaceRoom 2, but I dont see that happening either.. We would want the same cars and tracks as in the first sim anyway. And that could be taken as "laziness" or what not by the internet. We all know that the internet loves to start hype-trains and hate-trains. Wouldn't want that for KW Studios!
The issue with developing RaceRoom 2 is that you'd effectively need to split your resources across two projects: keeping the current game running and updated whilst also getting the new game off the ground at the same time. For such a relatively small company I honestly don't know how they'd do that unless there's some investment and extra staff added to the team, but that would be at the discretion of KW Studios I guess. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors 😅 all we can do is speculate and look like a genius if we get it right, or an idiot if we get it wrong.
tbh I don't even care about day and night cycles or rain. the only thing that kills me is that raceroom has both an immense content variety and a stablished multiplayer platform. and what do they do with it??? NOTHING. I remember waiting patiently for uncommon circuit/car combinations that I owned to come up so I could finally play something different... and when it arrived, the races were empty. I realized that if I wanted to race more than 10 people, I would have to be forever racing the same F*ing 5 circuits and cars. in a game with an IMMENSE catalog. and all because they can't think of a different monetization method. they need to lock the content behind a paywall for the game to be free, and then this content serves NOTHING if you don't race a league or play offline. they play it too safe, and that's why I left RR behind. I'll come back the day they realize how to properly utilize their biggest strength, wich is their content catalog. just to mention, I have my own ideas of how monetization should work. first of all, race schedule should last only 3 days instead of a week, at least for me. then, all the content from the week should be accessible for everyone, and heavily discounted for those who wants to keep it (or to slowly acquire content at a tiny price). then, there would be a seasonal ranked event, wich would be accessible by buying a season pass (a "complete" pass, wich is more expensive but gives access to all the content necessary for the season, and a very cheap one that needs you to already own it). you could have multiple of these ranked events with different time frames, for example: 8 weekly ranked events, 4 biweekly events, two monthly events and the final one occurring once every season (two months). buying the season pass would give you the ability to earn "coins" from the standard multiplayer races, proportional to place. something like this: 32 for winning, 28 for second, 26 third, 25 to 20 for third to eight, and so on (just an example, this would need a minimum amount of players in the race, and would have to be adjusted to different number of players and race duration). these "coins" would be used to enter the ranked events. the weekly ranked events themselves would award points, wich would count for season pass aesthetic rewards (like trophies on your profile and special stickers to put over your car) and for entering the bigger events. racing the weekly events gives you access to the biweekly events, wich gives access to the montly events, wich finally gives access to the final event, wich could have even money prizes and etc. at the end of the season, the player would be awarded proportionally to their results, with profile trophies and car stickers to show on races (with some kind of limit, and with preset locations for it not to become jarring. they could be color coded in relation to rarity, like first places awarding golden stickers). finally, there would be season leaderboards, wich would be shown at the front page of the menu, with both the overall leaderboard and the regional one, adjusted for the player's country. you could have at the main menu a window showing the last season's overall and regional leaderboard, wich would last for the entirety of the next season; and the actual season's last race results and overall leaderboard, both updated every event. also, the loading screens should feature the best drivers from the last season, with even their photos if they allow it by uploading one to be used. hell, you could do an endless amount of cool things with this seasonal model. I feel even sad just to realize that it probably will never live outside my imagination 😆 all of this would be implemented without, at least in my opinion, making the current monetization system unfeasible. it would certainly lose space, but I think that this system I mentioned would make the game absolutely unique and just impossible to ignore, as long as it remains free to play AND has accessible season pass prices TO ALL REGIONS. I live in south america, and sector3 can't be bothered to make content prices proportional to us, they just convert directly euro to Real (R$) and F it. this means that prices here are just unbeliavable. race room tends to be seen like the "cheap option" for simulation, but buying ACC is cheaper than buying it's entire content on RR. a season pass priced in euro with just direct conversion to third world countries would make it impossible for us. but if the price was accessible, RR would easily become my favourite sim again. hell, I would play it religiously if there was some kind of competitive system like that, wich rewards both working hard AND individual results. but hey, what do I know...
First of all, what a massive comment 😲 thanks for taking the time out to write this one mate! Lots of good ideas here and, to be honest, if you haven't already done this then you should consider posting to the RaceRoom forums since the devs have a lot more chance of seeing your ideas regarding competition/monetization there than buried in this comments section on RUclips 👍 I do agree though, there is so much amazing content in RaceRoom but it hardly gets utilised in an official sense. I'm part of a few leagues which are primarily based in RaceRoom (AUSNZ Simracing, CanAm SimSport, SCB) and they tend to make use of the stranger car/track combos and get some really nice numbers in the races but yeah, on the ranked servers it tends to be your classic circuits and GT3 racing which can get a little bit boring/samey after a while.
@@DDFRacer wow, I didn't really expect for someone to actually read this when I finished writing it, let alone by the channel itself 😆 well, it's been more than a year since I last posted there on the forums, but the hardest part is already done, so why not? but anyway, just wanted to thank you for your attention and your content! when I first started on simracing, I found out raceroom through your channel. it helped me a LOT to solidify my experience to find my own tastes. as I mentioned, I just gave up on RR, sadly... but I still love it and, most of all, it's potential. I think that every sim has something special in some way, and seeing raceroom not getting up to it's potential makes me sad. but anyway! thanks for your content! maybe someday the game will get popular enough for me to get some south american leagues to join 😆
@@gustavogoesgomes1863 I never let a comment go unanswered if I can help it, especially one like yours when you've clearly taken a SIGNIFICANT amount of time to think it out and write it 😎 thank you very much for the kind words!
Reiza Studios are doing a fantastic job developing AMS2 although, to be fair, it was a very different story in the early days. They were constantly trying to reverse engineer the Madness engine from PC2 and work out lots of quirks in the programming or things behaving unexpectedly.
I like RaceRoom, but it's feeling too much like a DLC content factory over the past few years. The rumor of a new game engine has been around for too long now for me to get my hopes up. The KW Studios thing flew totally under my radar and I still haven't found anything in-depth about it.
I do get what you mean regarding the recent addition of new cars/tracks and not much else, but on the other hand the dev team have got to try and keep the money coming in so they can survive I guess 🤷♂️ in a perfect world they'd down their tools and focus on the future to work on a new engine, new features, proper quality of life stuff etc...but what good would that be if they run out of resources before the end of the project? It must be a tricky balance and one that I don't envy at all being responsible for, let's not forget that KW Studios are the ones calling the shots and the RaceRoom team just work on what they're told.
Thanks Axel 😎 any of the new cars take your fancy? I think you might find the 90F really fun to drive! PS. I hope you don't mind me using the clip of our little racing incident from Interlagos... 😅
Is the shifter connected to the wheelbase? Is the wheelbase connected to power? Have you enabled h pattern shifting in the RaceRoom menus? Are you using a pattern shifter compatible car? Not all cars in RaceRoom let you use a shifter if the real one doesn't use one, even if you have the settings enabled in the menu.
That's fair enough mate, it's not for everyone 👍 and also goes to show how spoiled we are as sim racers at the moment that we have more than 5 top tier options to choose from.
Just fix the loadtimes and whatever needs doing to get the online part thriving. A popular online part is what keeps this game healthy. Edit: and adding 90s supertouring cars. That is all 👍
Couldn't agree more with you on this one mate, online racing in RaceRoom is incredibly enjoyable however many people aren't able to take part. For example, I'm based in Australia so I'm used to having a not-so-great ping when racing against people from other parts of the world. However in RaceRoom it's nearly impossible to stay connected to an EU server for a full practice/quali/race session which gives you no incentive to take part considering the massive rating drops you get from a DNF. Several AU/NZ players got to the stage where they couldn't even take part in most races since their rep had dropped below the requirements for the non-rookie servers and with no option to grind it back up again they were effectively locked out of ranked racing. I appreciate that the fundamental laws of physics apply when connecting two computers on opposite sides of the world, but the stability of the RaceRoom servers does tend to play a big factor in most races. For example in the E1 series I recently competed in, we had to abandon a round due to everyone from the Indonesia/Malaysia/Singapore etc region being unable to connect...whereas everyone else in the European and Australian regions were fine.
@@DDFRacer That is a damn shame. You seem to have a good line communication with the devs so hopefully they are aware and doing whatever they can to mitigate the problem. Great content btw 👍 keep it up.
I've been pretty much exclusively on Raceroom for the last 5 years, and the amount of updates and improvements it has received within that time is truly amazing when you look at where it was 5 years ago. Regular big physics updates, free ranked server and competition systems, a complete FFB overhaul, UI and feature updates and superb content quality. And the most important thing: It just works. No fiddling with settings, config files or external software required. Critics often focus on what it lacks, which are endurance racing features like driver changes, night and weather, but the foundation is really the best of any of the current sims. For the past 6 months I've been on rF2 to participate in a league, and oh boy is this a bad product. Lots of user fiddling to get it to work properly, especially FFB works terrible out of the box with my CSL DD and requires a lot of work and fiddling with wheel settings to get it to work acceptably (I really don't see how fans of rF2 think this is the best FFB on the market, probably because the're just used to it, haven't tried anything else in the past 5 years and invested hundreds of hours to tweak the settings of their 2000€ simucube wheels). Devs seem to be afraid to touch any of the FFB code because any change/improvement might scare the fans, and physics updates are minor, if any. I'm not saying rF2 physics are bad, but it certainly feels like despite being market-leading many years ago, they're being left behind for the sake of not changing anything users are accustomed to. I feel like Raceroom is taking the right approach in their development, they don't fear leaving anything outdated behind and replacing it with something that's radically improved, even if it means completely changing the feel and physics, like they did with the radical GT3 physics overhaul in December 2019 or the complete FFB rewrite in 2021.
Couldn't agree more, the development that RaceRoom has seen in the past 5 years has been pretty major 👍 although sim racing is quite a niche and competitive industry so there will always be comparisons to other titles and lack of features. For example, you could argue that ACC has also gone through a similar transformation as it was very poor on initial release and is now one of the leading sims out there in terms of player numbers. I personally don't enjoy ACC that much, but I can appreciate the appeal of it. Funny you mention rF2 though as that's where I originally started _'properly'_ sim racing many years ago and, just like yourself, found it way too fiddly and buggy. I lost several good enduro VEC results due to warping/screen freezes/bizarre bugs, so much frustration and endless tweaking of settings...that's what brought me to RaceRoom in the first place. It just *works*, you know. And it feels great. I just wish they could afford some more resources and apply the same kind of transformations that the physics/FFB experienced to other areas of the sim too.
Might be problems on the servers, although I'm away from the rig at the moment so can't try myself. The loading screens do take a _long time_ though so are you sure it wasn't just still loading in the background, or did you get some kind of error message? It'll often appear unresponsive at first but then come good after a minute or so. Either way, like I said in the video, RaceRoom doesn't do itself any favours with stuff like this.
I mean it would be great to have RaceRoom 2. As it is though for a hour or less race it's the most intense racing in any sim out there. It's highly rewarding as a simulator for close but fair racing. My sim organization does a quarterly TCR race series and everyone wants to watch the replay together and relive the battles. Yeah sometimes there is a takeout of each other but unlike other series we have hosted where you get into fights and we have to throw out penalties its more of "Damn man sorry, great battling you." Yeah you can get super sweaty serious with other sims but we aren't professional drivers and frankly I want to have fun.
Couldn't agree more mate, nothing throws you into the ring quite the same as RaceRoom does in terms of pure enjoyment. I've taken part in races with several different communities and there's something about this sim that just amps up the intensity compared to the others. With iRacing it feels like you're constantly fighting the car instead of others, with AC the warping/pinging is pretty terrible for close racing, with AMS2 the fields tend to spread out quite quickly for some reason...whereas in RaceRoom you don't tend to get any of that.
Or vr that works or competition that is used in the US. It's unfortunately pretty dead. I liked it before they screwed it up with the 'update' last year.
Completely agree about the game being a bit dead in terms of the competition side of things. A lot of the servers and schedules are EU based which makes sense because that's where the majority of racers are based but, for those like ourselves who are based in, for example, the US or Australia, there aren't many options for championships or drivers using the servers. Not quite sure what you're referencing in terms or VR or the update that screwed it last year though 🤔 I use VR a lot in RaceRoom and, sure, it's not as pretty as AMS2 but it runs just fine.
Seems odd, since most Logitech stuff works by default 🤔 have you tried asking in the RaceRoom forums or on their Discord to see if anyone else has the same problem/found a solution?
@@DDFRacer Update it worked fine lastnight in G923 Mode worked after restarting game as you said.Theres a firmware update today for consoles updated mine with no issues.
As a RUclipsr I find myself constantly hopping between sims for various videos, streams and events which only highlights the differences even more. After spending a lot of time in AMS2, DIRT Rally 2.0, Assetto Corsa and iRacing over the past few months, coming back to RaceRoom just makes me appreciate it even more. Like I said in the video, in terms of driving feel and quality racing, it's second to none.
I mean, sure, the graphics aren't exactly up to the standards of say AMS2 or ACC...but it shouldn't be painful 🤔 considering the colours are no different than anything else your monitor would normally display for other games or videos. Would definitely second what George said and book in an appointment with an optometrist if you don't have a pre existing condition with your eyesight.
Really like the Britcar championship idea. Hit me up if you ever get it off the ground :)
Will do mate 👀 would be awesome if you could make it for a race or two! Got a full schedule ready to go, just need to confirm some of the finer details, hit me up on Discord and I'll send you what I've got planned 👍 Daniel D Finney#8043
A snippet from the KW Studios website "KW Studios is about to enter an exciting new phase. With renewed backing we’re looking to expand our team and take advantage of the next-generation engines that can deliver the ultimate in virtual racing experiences"
I'm hoping this means we are about to get a RaceRoom engine update soon which will bring the visuals up to date with other sims (even iRacing). That alone will entice a hell of a lot more people into the sim
Fingers crossed 🤞 I hadn't noticed that so thanks for point it out, sounds promising!
Totally agree on all points you make Dan. Priority for me is stability in online racing/servers. Raceroom is the only driving sim installed on my system so it has to be good for me. If I were to give an overall score out of 100, it would be 95, and that is not by comparison, just for what it does for me
I imagine that the servers would be much nicer for you back in the UK compared to over here in Australia, since you're closer to the 'home base' so to speak, but I'm aware they're still not immune to issues. Unfortunately ranked racing on the EU servers is a no go over here due to the disconnects and with no one really taking part in AUSNZ anymore, it's a bit of a ghost town which is a shame because I much prefer longer races with a bit of strategy to get stuck in to.
Bring on Britcar! Also love Raceroom, the driving experience is good, netcode is awesome, but so much is not there. Night, weather, track temperature changes, track evolution. If it wasn't for the great community I race in, would find it harder to keep on with it.
It's easy to say that for any sim. As an iRacing fanboy I wish for a more complex tire model, at least with some sort of flat spot / dirty tires / punctures e.t.c. It would make the races so much more intersting, especially with the rain that should be coming eventually.
@@kekke2000 Doesn't iRacing simulate flat-spotting and dirty tyres?
@@bigredracingteam9642 I don't think dirty tires makes any difference, definitely no flat spots. You do lose grip from cold or overheated tires still.
Couldn't agree more mate, if it wasn't for AUSNZ I probably would have spent a lot less time in RaceRoom over the past couple of years. Whether it was hosted championships, Tuesday thunder or organised ranked racing there's always been something going on in terms of community racing although it's sad to see a fair few of the regular names dropping out recently for one reason or another.
Biggest priority needs to be a graphical update, at minimum to RF2 levels. But imagine if it set the new standard... Probably wouldn't have to even do much else.
Next, focus on stabilizing the servers and reducing loading speeds.
Finally, the last big area to focus on I think is a Day/Night cycle. This could show off the new graphical update and enable realistic endurance racing.
The underlying driving feel is absolutely superb and I get comments on the channel all the time from people who've decided to try RaceRoom and were blown away...that said, the lack of these features is probably a big turn off for those deciding on a new sim. Unless you're made of money then it's a case of deciding which sim to purchase and then getting involved, and sadly most people will look at the surface and see which looks better and has more modern features. Only if someone stumbles across a RaceRoom video or a RaceRoom advocate might they be convinced to 'look beyond the surface' and give it a try.
Like you said, they wouldn't have to do much else if it became more attractive to new players 👍 although I believe night racing and proper endurance should come hand in hand with driver swaps too for the best experience.
Absolutely loved this video from the beginning to the end! Great content, great editing 👏
Thank you Paolo 😁 a surprising number of shots went into making what turned out to be a relatively short video by my standards, something like 60 different clips from replays and driving.
Great review, thanks.
Cheers mate 😎 thanks for the kind words
RR's FFB/Physics/choice of tracks/cars/sounds makes it the best SIM for me... but I can see where the graphics is holding the title back. Hopefully, they upgrade their rendering engine...
As someone who goes by the name of VFX Pro, I know I can trust you when it comes to discussing graphics and visuals 😉 (and yes, I do agree, an overhaul of the engine would definitely bring it back up to date in line with other sims)
Awesome video Dan!
yes but ya cant race as close as you like too in ACC the other guy is going to end up in a different dimention, Raceroom is still the king of close racing and that is what i fear will change with a change of engine
@@scbsimracingcommunity390 Absolutely! That's one of the things I always loved about RaceRoom. I don't appreciate contacts but at least the cars are not bouncing off each other like they're made of some sort of very hard rubber. :D
Yeah I guess the definition of 'fanboy' is someone who defends something in the face of obvious flaws and ignores all criticism regardless of the evidence presented to them 🤔 which is definitely not the case here. Any criticism of RaceRoom from myself is only ever meant in a constructive manner and I just hope that this makes a few people sit up, take notice and do something about it. I can hope, right? 😅
Still love the ability to test drive any car. This is a brilliant idea imo and I use this feature often.
It's a great feature that I wish was in many more sims, especially iRacing where the costs for a single car are much higher compared to anywhere else. How am I supposed to know which GT3 I want to drive, for example, when I'm going in blind and being asked to take part in an enduro?
As someone who has been putting off a move to PC due to prices and a few other things and trying to get my simracing in on console and vicariously through watching your videos, damn this stuff makes me wish I had just pulled the trigger so I could play with it now. Charade and the Crossles look like so much fun, and if the MX5 Cup is even half as fun as it is in AC then it would surely be a blast at the great variety of lesser known/smaller tracks RaceRoom has, like Knutstorp and Salzburgring in particular.
RaceRoom's content has put it really high on my list for when I do finally pick up a PC, but the missing features do also hurt a bit and it will be interesting to see what happens with the game going forward. If the game can't be updated/upgraded with rain and time of day and driver swaps and stuff and they have to move to a new title, then it makes it not feel like such a smart move to be spending on all the content that likely won't carry over.
It's never too late to pull the trigger mate, just don't expect me to take any responsibility for your financial hardship if you do 😂 in all seriousness though, Raceroom is an absolute gem of a sim in terms of variety of content and, because it's all official content developed in house and not mods, you know it's going to be of a certain high standard of quality too. Having worked closely with the team responsible for the physics, AI, balancing etc behind the scenes (thanks to having the beta testing version to make these videos) I can't begin to appreciate enough the work that they put in. With more resources they could afford to get a new engine up and running _and still_ work on this new content at the same time, but unfortunately right now it's a case of prioritising the work that will bring them the most revenue and keep the company alive. If I ever came into a substantial amount of money I know which sim racing developer I'd be investing in 👍
I am one of those odd "new to Raceroom in 2023" players and I love it. The feel of the cars on the road is best of all sims imho, and the AI is better than all but maybe AMS2. Sounds are also amazing and that MX5..... wow! Offline mode just as good as the others. Weather is ok to have but nobody really uses or wants it after the cool factor wears off and you have a 3 hour endurance race lol
The driving feel is one of the main reasons I keep on coming back to RaceRoom, especially since they removed the 'canned' effects and updated the FFB to be completely physics based a couple of years back. It might be falling behind in a few areas compared to other sims these days but in terms of the feeling behind the wheel and the smile that gets put on my face, RaceRoom always does it for me. The sound is also top notch, as a trained audio engineer I can definitely appreciate that 😉
In terms of AI though I've got to admit that it used to be a lot better in RaceRoom sadly, and AMS2 by comparison is sort of a 'best of the bad bunch' kind of situation as I find the AI over there quite erratic, especially when it comes to the difficulty level since there's no consistency between cars, tracks, weather or even quali vs race. At least in RaceRoom there's the Adaptive AI option which gradually learns your level and matches you. In my opinion, iRacing is right up there in terms of AI quality at the moment 👍 although it's a bit odd saying that for a sim which is entirely focused on online racing.
I will happily trade the dynamic weather, day-night features etc. for the amazing car "feel" that Raceroom brings. And I pretty much have. And until other sims with the afore mentioned features can match the feeling of weight transfer and other useful physics that RR brings, I will stick with it.
I mean the granular and more detailed feeling of the ACC tire model is great but I find that RR is much more predictable and "savable" when I go over the limit.
That's what keeps drawing me back to RaceRoom too, the driving feel. Something about the way the physics and the FFB work together give you a feeling of car that you can really push and find the limit, but also drive slightly beyond it and save it without too much drama. In ACC and iRacing once you reach the limit of grip, you dead 😆 whereas AMS2 and rF2 allow you to drive way beyond it with very little consequence.
Totally agree. I love AMS2 but RR just feels more realistic when driving. I dont care about eye candy or weather because that usually gets turned off eventually.
I agree with the last point. Load times and technical guesswork is what keeps me away from racing on RR regularly.
What's specially bad about the first one is that even if you have the game on a SSD loading replays or launching the game still can take a long time.
For me it got to the point where if I'd need a screenshot for a stream thumbnail I just check if I have the same car/track combo in AC and take the screenshots in that game because it's faster that way. I like RaceRoom but I feel they'll need to fix up whatever causes these problems because they are getting out of hand.
Yeah web based games doesn't help with loading :(
The load times became very apparent for me when making this video in particular, having so many different shots of different cars and tracks sprinkled throughout. It took about 3 minutes to get a two second clip of Nogaro, for example 😬 and I know that this might not bother most people who are loading in for one race a day and then closing RaceRoom, but for those moments when you want to test a lot of different cars or record a lot of different replays it does get very tiresome quite quickly.
PS. Good idea about getting the clip from AC instead though, sneaky 😆
@@DDFRacer Yeah that perfectly describes the situation.
It's perfectly fine for those who just do a few daily races but the more you want to do the more you'll have to pay with your time.
As much as the "Other Sim's" have those extra perks, I honestly feel that RaceRoom has sufficiently enough to keep me interested and racing until something betters what it already does.
The only thing I'd maybe like to be added would be night racing. I've never got on with the likes of AC, ACC or RF2, as much as they are excellent sims, RaceRoom is where my heart is.
Same here mate, I always come back to RaceRoom for some quality driving and racing no matter what else is out there. AMS2 looks nicer, iRacing has a much bigger playerbase, rF2 is amazing for endurance racing, AC can be modded to hell and back...but they just don't feel as nice as RaceRoom somehow or put the same smile on my face. The FFB they released last year really transformed it and, especially with these new cars, the variety of content is superb and, because it's _official_ content, you know it's gone through the full testing process and is of a certain high standard. We can dream though, right? 😉
Can you tell me which Dash (Simhub?) Overlay you are using in those clips? Thx in Advance 😀
Sure thing mate 👍 I'm using SimHub but have designed my own custom overlays. You can grab them for free, there's a link in the video description to my Discord server which has all the download links and instructions.
Can agree with you. I am a Raceroom fanboy too, but they are struggleing a bit with technical issues and for some it seems, that they do not work at these problems. For me, RR is running fine, I can live with lower graphics, day and night is fine, but not really necessary. If they would bring in rain the right way (not like ACC) the majority would not want to drive in rain.
I'm sure you appreciate that any criticism I might have towards RaceRoom is coming from a place of love and not just for the sake of being negative. I'm a massive fan of the sim and only want to see it succeed, but I didn't think it would be fair to make this year's video and ignore the problems that people have been experiencing. Just going "hey, look at these awesome new cars!" and leaving it at that wouldn't come across as genuine in my opinion, but it was quite nerve wracking sending this to the devs in advance of the update as I'm sure you can imagine 😅 but the response they had was overwhelmingly positive. They're fully aware of the public perception of RaceRoom at the moment and are working hard to keep people happy with the very limited resources they have 👍 fingers crossed for some big news in 2023.
@@DDFRacer Your criticism is right. I know some people with problems in RR that never really solved. Totally agree with you, and hopefully, they improve.
What headset do you use? I'm looking to buy a headset to test VR waters, was looking at something like samsung odessy + but I'm afraid of low fov
I'm using a CV1 which has been pretty much flawless since day one but sadly, due to it's age, has been discontinued and is no longer manufactured.
@@DDFRacer That's around 87 deg. of fov, it sounds small, do you mind that fov while using headset?
VR headset is pure genius!
When I first started out, I had a few comments from people saying they wanted me to drive without VR so they could see my eyes and my concentration, emotions etc. Driving without VR wasn't really an option to be honest, since I rely on it so much and am pretty terrible without it, so I figured out a compromise by putting a sticker of my face on the front of it instead 😅
Great Video again and i can confirm the SCB guys next series will be using a car with a number in its name 😉
Oh well that really narrows it down then doesn't it 😆
Man I almost forgot I even had Race Room lol. I haven't been on it since I got my VR up and running on iRacing and AMS2. I think I'll get on there today and see how the VR feels. Thanks for popping up in my feed 👍
Happy to do you this service mate 😁 although RaceRoom isn't super optimised in terms of graphics to be honest so you might want to run shadows on Lowest or Off to be safe. Also, depending on how long you've been away, you might even get to experience the awesome new FFB for the first time as well.
@@DDFRacer do u have some good settings for a dd wheel for Raceroom as I’ve just moved from the tm ts xw to the moza r9 .
@@sim_racing_pops1675 unfortunately I can't help you with that one there mate as I've never used a Moza before and my CSL DD settings would be completely different/wouldn't apply. Your best bet it having a look on the RaceRoom or Moza forums to see if anyone has already posted some recommended settings 😎
@@DDFRacer yeah it’s a hard one getting your first dd and working out how much gain to have 65 in acc seems bout right
Struggling to get the right balance for ams2
@@DDFRacer hey fella
Do u know to calibrate a wheel in Raceroom I brought the moza r9 and for the life of me I can’t get it to the be 1-1 on the driving animations
Cheers
I think RaceRoom has some of the best content available for retro racing like the Group 5, GTO, and Group C cars. I'd love if they were to add to the Group C as two models doesn't feel like enough, and getting more GTO cars would be awesome as well. I think at least getting a day night cycle would be nice. I think RaceRoom also does custom races/championships better than anyone else by allowing you to select the specific cars you want on the track.
Aside from the outdatedness of the game my only other gripe with RR is the lack of customizability with car liveries, and the aggressive AI. I really struggle to find a challenging AI without it either killing me like I am not there, or being uncompetitive and slow. Last time I tried to use the adaptive AI it is like 2 races that are unbelievably easy, and then by the third race they are killing me rocketing around the track and driving through me like I am not even there. For the liveries, having a hodge podge of liveries from multiple series is not my cup of tea as it breaks immersion. I'd rather have fake liveries that are all representative of a singular series than the hodge podge you see in the GT3 class for example. This is a minor gripe though.
I stopped playing RR because from my point of view it seems like their isn't much focus on improving the sim and adding the missing features it needs and instead of more focused on one off content that IMO doesn't feel super cohesive. I might be wrong since I don't follow the game as closely anymore, but when I check the forums it seems like a ghost town IMO.
The problem with night racing is that it would also need to include lighting/shader updates to allow for multiple light sources for trackside, billboards, the moon, headlights etc and night need some pretty significant reworking of the code. I would love to see it too though, can you imagine Macau under lights 😍 it would be incredible!
Very valid points across the board mate and, like I said in the video too, I can't disagree with what you're saying. I understand that there are licensing issues in place but having no option for custom liveries is a bit of a downside, especially with leagues running their own races. I'd never really thought about the authenticity of the GT3 paints either to be honest, it's never been an issue for me, but I can definitely see how it wouldn't be great for immersion if you were going to authenticity. I suppose the TCR, DTM and ADAC classes are pretty good in that regard though.
@@DDFRacer I figure if some dude can mod AC for lighting after Kunos said it'd be impossible, R3E engine could be reworked as well.
Yeah the DTM stuff was what initially pulled me into R3E. I thought it was super cool they were getting full series support, but it feels like outside of ADAC and TCR now they don't really have any other official series. Hopefully that changes and R3E gets some major updates, because the more high quality options we have the better.
Hopefully sector 3/ kw studios heard you at the end. They seriously need some quality of life updates. Bring the sim out the dark ages
I'm lucky enough to have a direct line to the dev team due to having access to beta testing builds of RaceRoom. This allows me to make videos like this which feature all of the new content, ready for release day. Honestly, they're a great group of people and work incredibly hard with the limited resources they have. Since I tend to post my videos with them for the final approval (mostly to make sure I get my info/facts correct) I can assure you they definitely heard me at the end 😅
Great video. Looks like a nice batch of fun cars. But Yea..a new game engine with the same feel to it would have been the best Christmas present.
Oh mate, the new cars are lots of fun to drive...and different too. It's always nice to expand the roster of GT3/GT4/TCR to have wider variety in each class, but these new additions are _completely_ different to what already exists in RaceRoom. Along with the FRX22 and trucks, they're really adding some nice variety instead of just 'more of the same old' 👍
@@DDFRacer ohh yea! I just tried the Praga. Great fun. gonna try the rest of the cars today. And yea adding, "unusual" content is great.
In a couple more years they can add an R and call it Retro Raceroom Racing Experience
R4E confirmed, you heard it here first ☝️
@@DDFRacer ?
very good video
indeed day/night cycle and weather implementation will add to the value and will not be behind other sims anymore
i hope developers listen to you
After being granted early access to the update so I could make this video, I certainly got a few raised eyebrows from the developers when I released this 😉 but in a good way. I've been a long time supporter or RaceRoom so they know that what I say is genuine and comes from a place of love, and isn't just me trying to score a few quick clickbait views or cause controversy.
As someone a little new to sim racing I have found RaceRoom the perfect place to start. Easy to get into without over complicating anything. The Rookie Ranked servers are perfect to start online racing too.
That's what attracted me to RaceRoom in the first place too, especially coming from using rF2 for several years...it was just so easy to set up and jump into a session. No fiddling around with settings for hours 👍
I love RRR as well... and I hope it improves... sorry I meant I hope NLR improves their software to include RR3. I love RR3 as well
The dev team behind Raceroom are superb, a really good bunch of people who're always looking to make things better but probably held back by a budget which is significantly less than other racing sim studios unfortunately, along with a rather dated game engine these days. The fact they can do what they do with the resources they have is pretty impressive and Raceroom will always hold a special place for me as it was the main one I raced with on the channel for many years.
tbh I couldn't care less about day/night and weather, not an endurance fan, R3E does sprint racing the best and that's what I like, well once its loaded in that is...........
So enduros depend on the net damo 😂 but that's such a good point tcr races 15/20mins some of the best racing I've had
Very good point mate! Sprint racing, reverse grids, ballast etc, it's got all the trademarks of a sim aimed towards emulating TCR style races which makes sense since the FWD cars in RaceRoom are some of the best out there. Shorter races also mean less time for your net to drop out as well 😉 which is nice bonus. Always a pleasure to race (or attempt to keep up) with you Damo, hopefully catch you on track again soon!
That's a cool sticker up the back there :D
What can I say mate, I like getting my Arse out on camera.
FYI praga not a mod in ac. love it dan, Racerrom sorta need to fix the stability of their game I've had more crashes in rre than another game,slow loads times yeah don't think we'll ever get that fixed.made some really good points mate,but at the Sim racing expo they did talk about a new IP so we know they are working on something new :)
I'm not sure if the one DDF's referring to is the base -game car. Jimmy raced the R1T whereas the Kunos one is the R1, so it's an older chassis, it has no ABS, an older TC system and just over half the power, so if DDF drove an approximation of Jimmy's R1T, it was most likely a mod.
@@StevePhoenix yeah I know just was pointing out assetto corsas wasn't a mod :) blast to drive wish iracing listened to SVG when he helped them with the v8supercars in iracing.
I actually forgot that the Praga is default AC content so that's definitely an error on my part there 😅 ha, and I thought I'd checked my script several times too...
I so want to like R3E, but I always come away either underwhelmed or thinking I've got that for free in AC too often. This content drop looked good, but then I realised its only because these are exactly the sort of cars and tracks I drive so often in AC. MX5, Russell-Alexis F Ford, Charade etc. I'm not a sim snob really, live and let live, so if R3E is anyone's favourite, good for them.👍
Couldn't agree more mate, there are so many sims out there today we can afford to pick and choose the ones that suit our needs the best 😉 and in terms of looking good (especially in VR) and mods, AC wins hands down. However, I would say that the way AC deals with car to car racing/contact is much worse than RaceRoom though, especially for higher pings (Australia vs Europe for example) so that doesn't make it a great choice for organising community events unless the content you want to use isn't actually in RaceRoom. Swings and roundabouts eh?
@DDFRacer Absolutely. The type of content itself is right up my own particular strasse, and if R3E is your sim of choice, it's a no-brainer. I'd be interested, just out of curiosity, in the AC vs R3E MX5, as the way you were describing it sounds very much like the AC version. I don't recognise the MX5 from the way you were describing the iRacing one, tbh.
Raceroom till I die... I just ask for more "respect" in options for offline players... but I'm gonna drive not less than 1000kms on this track
Having the ability to race 'offline' without needing to dial in to the RaceRoom servers to get your content would be a nice feature, could potentially reduce load times since all of the content is stored locally on the computer anyway.
@DDF Racer yes, but... I think is a safe way to be sure everyone pay for the contents
Rig is now set up so just setting up all the Sims, mapping buttons now, super keen to try the Praga and the Crossle 9S. I am hoping stuff like Rennsport give the other sims a kick in the pants to stay competitive.....also read GT the new Forza will be coming to PC, which would be nice for a bit more arcadey fun. Also the slow mo drift and music choice 👌👌👌👌
Yes mate, that's great news 🥳 bet you can't wait to get stuck in! Must feel like a kid at Christmas. Oh wait...
I'm hoping they'll integrate dynamic lighting using the soon to be released RTX toolbox (forgot the name) from Nvidia. From what I understand it can relatively easily be applied to DX9 and DX8 games. Just having dynamic lighting in the game would solve the dated graphics look it has. And I imagine would make it easier to integrate day/night cycles after that. That's hitting two birds with one stone in my opinion.
Oh that sounds pretty good if it can be implemented 🤔 never heard of it before but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on it. Any kind of easy win like that would be a must have for such a relatively small dev team.
@@DDFRacer Not sure why my reply got deleted or if this is a bug and you'll see 2 replies on your end?
But Google Nvidia Remix. That's the tool I was talking about.
@@TheRoadrunner11 Yeah strange, I only got the one reply and notification come through for this comment. RUclips be weird like that sometimes. Thanks again for the tip👍
come on raceroom go go go
I wait for many years that KW finally wakes up and brings this sim on up to date tech and features. But an new engine would not be enough. The content, especially the car models need to be remade from scratch to be on par with nowadays standards like in ACC. Beside from the cockpit view the car model look like Race 07 detail :D Also lascerscanned tracks is the way to go nowadays and this standard sells tracks.
I don't necessarily think that the car models _themselves_ are that bad, the detail in the car body designs are really nice in RaceRoom and some new shaders would make an absolute world of difference. The biggest gripe I have is the dashboards, they all use the same generic LCD screen instead of true to life dashboards which you find in all other sims. This really takes away a lot of the immersion/realism for most people as it doesn't feel like the actual car you're driving, it feels like a cheap knock-off version, even though it's official content! There must be a reason it's like this though, perhaps some hard coded feature of the dashboards they can't work around? Who knows.
Also, regarding laser scans, I believe all of the new content released by RaceRoom in the past few years has been based on laser scan or Lidar data 👍
What happens to access to the content the day RaceRoom goes offline, is what we paid for thus far become unavailable to us?
That's a good question and I genuinely have no idea mate 🤔 especially since no servers = no raceroom, not even single player mode. I could see it going one of two ways and they either make the content available offline but remove multiplayer support and updates, or they provide some kind of discount for the same content in RaceRoom 2 or whatever it might be called.
Good review, appreciate your honesty ! For me, the real problem is that getting the game to work is a very hit and miss fair ... graphics also very dated ... slow load time is because they are trying to encourage sales in the game, which subtracts from the entire experience! Leave the advertising for Website / Steam store, else it feels forced, and the only force that feels right is wheel force feedback 🙂
I'm not quite sure I buy into what you're saying regarding the slow load times being done _intentionally_ so that you spend more time staring at the loading screens 😅 it's because they keep on adding more content and getting more and more users but don't sufficiently beef up the servers to deal with it. Even a CDN based system with local servers would be a nice improvement, compared to a central server location which everyone has to connect to regardless of where you are in the world, which is what they currently have. Besides, most of the loading screens are information and contain the ranked schedules, suggestions for button mappings, explaining features of the game etc.
I enjoy Raceroom but my go to sim lately is ams2 even hardly use acc and never thought that would happen
Same here, I've been spending a lot of time in AMS2 recently as well but that's mostly due to the new Racing Life app which came out 👍
great so pumped for the mx5!! downloading update now
ps this is an exceptional channel. keep it up!
Oh mate, you're going to love it! When I was recording the footage for this video and testing the new cars out a few weeks ago I did an hour in the MX5 without even realising, it's super addictive. And thank you for the kind words too 😁 much appreciated!
Love RR! However, why is it with their ranked racing, limited to just a small handful of tracks?
Good question, not sure mate 🤔 maybe they try and limit the rotation to avoid people having to buy new content every week, or maybe try and feature tracks that are included in their starter packs.
Great video bud
Cheers Henry 👍 glad you liked it mate!
So hard living in Cali to play. I can only have a few good races and it has to be before 2pm Pacific time before servers empty out. I wish they would promote more for the American market
Same here in Australia too, unless a ranked session is organised by a league then the servers are a ghost town. Even if we do organise something then it tends to be the same people showing up for the races each time so why not just to the races _we want to_ without having to conform to the ranked car/track combos? Seems odd 🤔
Dont forget the single player mode. It is on par and in some ways better than the other sims
Really nice video! Is using VR good in this game? I’m on Oculus Quest 2 with RTX3080 but I never tried this game in VR.
Yes, it is good playable with Quest2 and RTX3080. Have this setup myself with an i7 12700.
@@Kilsko thanks for your answer 👍🏼 and I have the same cpu too! :)
Not as good as AMS2 or AC but better than any of the others
A bit late to the party here but I can only back up what's already been said 👍 I'm running a 3080 too although using the older CV1 headset. I find that shadows and visible cars have the biggest impact, although RaceRoom is heavily CPU dependent, your GPU will be cruising most of the time due to the way this sim is optimised. In terms of purely nice visuals AMS2, AC (and even iRacing) are definitely better but that's not to say RaceRoom is bad, it's still very nice indeed.
@@DDFRacer thanks 👍🏼
Like I-Racing the only problem with R3E is the cost, even after buying the DLC's you still have to purchase even more stuff to join races, not everyone has deep pockets with spare cash to throw at these sims, that said it is a great sim in comparison to others on most points
Dlc is way cheaper than I racing and there's no subscription or initial purchase. It's cheaper in every aspect.
Although the overall costs in RaceRoom are much lower than iRacing, and like Andy said there are no subscription fees, I do get what you mean Colin. For example, as someone who purchased the Ultimate pack and owned _all_ of the content in the game at one point, to then have to purchase each new subsequent release at full price seems a bit...odd. Surely there should be some iRacing style discount based on the amount of content you already own 🤔
Raceroom is my sim to go as well, the driving feels better, races are somewhat cleaner, I hardly see a actual ram, some punts from mistakes or greedy moves maybe, but I love driving it.
I think that the way RaceRoom handles car to car racing and collisions (especially when the ping isn't too high) is really solid and allows you to trust your opponents more which is probably why we find the racing to be 'better'. You can get lost in it quite easily. We're all familiar with the iRacing 'netcode' of cars warping around, disappearing or making contact when there was clearly a gap between you...that kind of stuff doesn't give you any confidence and really discourages you from actually racing, it forces you to be much more conservative and turns excitement into stress.
Wait dan is a raceroom fan boy. Great video and the cars do look good. I think most people agree with u on the last bits.
Yeah I know 😉 who would have guessed it? Can confirm the cars are _really_ nice to drive, probably one of the best content drops RaceRoom have done.
the cars are brilliant wasnt sure on the two older ones at anouncment but they lovely.
Totally agree Hope to so more features in raceroom like day and night. But still raceroom had the best ai and the best door to door raced
Fingers crossed for some big news in 2023 for RaceRoom 🤞
KW Studios needs to move to a new game engine. The longer they put it off, the tougher it will be to do it.
We can only hope that they're already working on something behind the scenes and splitting their (already limited resources) 🤞 however, if it's still early days then the worst thing they could do is announce it since it adds a lot of pressure and you never know if a project is going to actually make it through to completion or not. Look at GTR3 for example, lots of hype and big talk but no results and lots of disappointment/cynicism.
I just want dx11/12 really and break duct, track temp model.
I do believe that track temps and wind speed are currently a thing in RaceRoom now, although they might not have any effect on the cars themselves yet. It's promising though, we can hope for full functionality in a future update 🤞 don't forget that adjustable tyre pressures never used to be a thing but they're slowly being brought in to various cars across many physics updates. Alex the physics guy never sleeps so I'm quite excited to see what he cooks up next.
R3E is awesome, i love it aswell
No matter what other sims I use, I always come back to RaceRoom with a big smile on my face and that says it all for me really 😁 although it's nice to dream/hope for what might happen in the future.
dude are you still rocking a quest1?
Even better, it's a CV1 😉
In all seriousness, this headset does everything I need and has been rock solid for about six years now. I know there are newer models out there with better resolutions etc, but I also see a lot of problems with IPD adjustment, lens quality, melted charging ports and poor wireless picture quality with latency and artefacts. Until this one breaks I'll keep on using it but it'll be tough to pick a replacement.
@@DDFRacer noice, that's commitment. 👍
Sums it pretty well. Didn't they tease going to unreal engine 4 a while back?
I lose track of what they have and haven't teased to be honest, and I also have to be careful I don't get mixed up between what's in the test version that the devs give me access to and the regular version which is publicly available 😅 I've had a few close calls when filling air on streams recently, remembering "no Dan, you're not _actually_ allowed to talk about that yet..."
For me RR is one of the top 3 in terms of time driven and regarding the feel it gives me when racing, be it against AI or on ranked MP. But... the engine is getting stale, even if Vulcan is now allowing for more FPS it doesn't do anything to make it prettier. Now, graphics isn't averything you might say and I'd agree - to a point. And for me iti sn't the greatest problem RR has - it's the AI inconsistent pacing on various tracks since I'm predominantly an offline wannabe racer.
RR is now at a point that it'll have a hard time attracting new players outside the established playerbase and I sincerely hope that KW Studios is seriously working on a sequel. A hint of sorts can be witnessed on KW web...
Anyway Dan, a great end of year RR video again! Both thumbs up!
Nothing will beat AMS2 when it comes to inconsistent AI 😅 man, that sim is all over the place in terms of car/track combos and weather conditions. You can go from 2 seconds a lap faster to 5 seconds a lap slower in the blink of an eye, so at least RaceRoom is a little better in that regard. I hear what you say though, it's still not perfect but when you consider the amount of variables that go into it (also including different driver skills) then it's quite impressive.
Completely agree regarding attracting new players though, when people are deciding on which sim to invest in which one are they going to choose? The shiny one with all the new features and a 5 year newer release date...or the one running on an old engine with day/night, weather, driver swaps etc missing? It's sad that it's so superficial but it's true 😥 if people looked beyond the surface they'd find an absolute gem of a sim in RaceRoom.
Yes, I agree completely on both your points. Re AMS2 I was put off by it's inconsistent AI pace between dry&wet and general pace among other less glaring issues. RR is better in this regard and the devs are open to feedback and make adjustments when some glaring AI pace issue is pointed out (not saying Reiza woudn't be if I could be bothered to). So with proper feedback AI can be improved still. For the rest I really hope a new game is in works at KW.
Regards, TM
Why can’t they transfer everything to a new engine or a newer version of the same engine
I'm sure if they could, they would have done so by now 👍 however I imagine it's more than just a case of drag and drop since a lot of the way RaceRoom works is hardcoded into the current engine and would need to be redesigned completely. KW Studios are quite a small team compared to other sims out there who have much bigger budgets and a re-write like this would probably need *a lot* of time and resources to do well.
I hope they port it all over to a new engine, if financing it all would be a factor against doing it, I wouldn't mind if when you boot up the game there is a message on the top or something where you can donate money to get them to afford to transfer everything to a new engine. Kinda like a kickstarter where there is a goal of x amount of money to do such a tedious job. We gotta remember that it is a job, and they need to be able to afford to pay all their employees! And maybe if the goal wont be reached either that money goes back to you, or maybe you get to spend that money on content in the raceroom store! Now I have no idea how they are doing financially. And I can imagine that moving over all their stuff into a new engine is more work then to just start over fully, if not just as much work. So in reality I don't think that would happen (glad to be proven wrong though!). So if anything there would be a RaceRoom 2, but I dont see that happening either.. We would want the same cars and tracks as in the first sim anyway. And that could be taken as "laziness" or what not by the internet. We all know that the internet loves to start hype-trains and hate-trains. Wouldn't want that for KW Studios!
The issue with developing RaceRoom 2 is that you'd effectively need to split your resources across two projects: keeping the current game running and updated whilst also getting the new game off the ground at the same time. For such a relatively small company I honestly don't know how they'd do that unless there's some investment and extra staff added to the team, but that would be at the discretion of KW Studios I guess. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors 😅 all we can do is speculate and look like a genius if we get it right, or an idiot if we get it wrong.
tbh I don't even care about day and night cycles or rain. the only thing that kills me is that raceroom has both an immense content variety and a stablished multiplayer platform. and what do they do with it??? NOTHING. I remember waiting patiently for uncommon circuit/car combinations that I owned to come up so I could finally play something different... and when it arrived, the races were empty. I realized that if I wanted to race more than 10 people, I would have to be forever racing the same F*ing 5 circuits and cars. in a game with an IMMENSE catalog. and all because they can't think of a different monetization method. they need to lock the content behind a paywall for the game to be free, and then this content serves NOTHING if you don't race a league or play offline. they play it too safe, and that's why I left RR behind. I'll come back the day they realize how to properly utilize their biggest strength, wich is their content catalog.
just to mention, I have my own ideas of how monetization should work. first of all, race schedule should last only 3 days instead of a week, at least for me. then, all the content from the week should be accessible for everyone, and heavily discounted for those who wants to keep it (or to slowly acquire content at a tiny price). then, there would be a seasonal ranked event, wich would be accessible by buying a season pass (a "complete" pass, wich is more expensive but gives access to all the content necessary for the season, and a very cheap one that needs you to already own it). you could have multiple of these ranked events with different time frames, for example: 8 weekly ranked events, 4 biweekly events, two monthly events and the final one occurring once every season (two months). buying the season pass would give you the ability to earn "coins" from the standard multiplayer races, proportional to place. something like this: 32 for winning, 28 for second, 26 third, 25 to 20 for third to eight, and so on (just an example, this would need a minimum amount of players in the race, and would have to be adjusted to different number of players and race duration). these "coins" would be used to enter the ranked events. the weekly ranked events themselves would award points, wich would count for season pass aesthetic rewards (like trophies on your profile and special stickers to put over your car) and for entering the bigger events. racing the weekly events gives you access to the biweekly events, wich gives access to the montly events, wich finally gives access to the final event, wich could have even money prizes and etc. at the end of the season, the player would be awarded proportionally to their results, with profile trophies and car stickers to show on races (with some kind of limit, and with preset locations for it not to become jarring. they could be color coded in relation to rarity, like first places awarding golden stickers). finally, there would be season leaderboards, wich would be shown at the front page of the menu, with both the overall leaderboard and the regional one, adjusted for the player's country. you could have at the main menu a window showing the last season's overall and regional leaderboard, wich would last for the entirety of the next season; and the actual season's last race results and overall leaderboard, both updated every event. also, the loading screens should feature the best drivers from the last season, with even their photos if they allow it by uploading one to be used. hell, you could do an endless amount of cool things with this seasonal model. I feel even sad just to realize that it probably will never live outside my imagination 😆
all of this would be implemented without, at least in my opinion, making the current monetization system unfeasible. it would certainly lose space, but I think that this system I mentioned would make the game absolutely unique and just impossible to ignore, as long as it remains free to play AND has accessible season pass prices TO ALL REGIONS. I live in south america, and sector3 can't be bothered to make content prices proportional to us, they just convert directly euro to Real (R$) and F it. this means that prices here are just unbeliavable. race room tends to be seen like the "cheap option" for simulation, but buying ACC is cheaper than buying it's entire content on RR. a season pass priced in euro with just direct conversion to third world countries would make it impossible for us. but if the price was accessible, RR would easily become my favourite sim again. hell, I would play it religiously if there was some kind of competitive system like that, wich rewards both working hard AND individual results. but hey, what do I know...
First of all, what a massive comment 😲 thanks for taking the time out to write this one mate! Lots of good ideas here and, to be honest, if you haven't already done this then you should consider posting to the RaceRoom forums since the devs have a lot more chance of seeing your ideas regarding competition/monetization there than buried in this comments section on RUclips 👍
I do agree though, there is so much amazing content in RaceRoom but it hardly gets utilised in an official sense. I'm part of a few leagues which are primarily based in RaceRoom (AUSNZ Simracing, CanAm SimSport, SCB) and they tend to make use of the stranger car/track combos and get some really nice numbers in the races but yeah, on the ranked servers it tends to be your classic circuits and GT3 racing which can get a little bit boring/samey after a while.
@@DDFRacer wow, I didn't really expect for someone to actually read this when I finished writing it, let alone by the channel itself 😆
well, it's been more than a year since I last posted there on the forums, but the hardest part is already done, so why not? but anyway, just wanted to thank you for your attention and your content! when I first started on simracing, I found out raceroom through your channel. it helped me a LOT to solidify my experience to find my own tastes. as I mentioned, I just gave up on RR, sadly... but I still love it and, most of all, it's potential. I think that every sim has something special in some way, and seeing raceroom not getting up to it's potential makes me sad. but anyway! thanks for your content! maybe someday the game will get popular enough for me to get some south american leagues to join 😆
@@gustavogoesgomes1863 I never let a comment go unanswered if I can help it, especially one like yours when you've clearly taken a SIGNIFICANT amount of time to think it out and write it 😎 thank you very much for the kind words!
RaceRoom use Mad-studios engine.. got my vote
Reiza Studios are doing a fantastic job developing AMS2 although, to be fair, it was a very different story in the early days. They were constantly trying to reverse engineer the Madness engine from PC2 and work out lots of quirks in the programming or things behaving unexpectedly.
I like RaceRoom, but it's feeling too much like a DLC content factory over the past few years. The rumor of a new game engine has been around for too long now for me to get my hopes up. The KW Studios thing flew totally under my radar and I still haven't found anything in-depth about it.
I do get what you mean regarding the recent addition of new cars/tracks and not much else, but on the other hand the dev team have got to try and keep the money coming in so they can survive I guess 🤷♂️ in a perfect world they'd down their tools and focus on the future to work on a new engine, new features, proper quality of life stuff etc...but what good would that be if they run out of resources before the end of the project? It must be a tricky balance and one that I don't envy at all being responsible for, let's not forget that KW Studios are the ones calling the shots and the RaceRoom team just work on what they're told.
nice vid dan...
Thanks Axel 😎 any of the new cars take your fancy? I think you might find the 90F really fun to drive!
PS. I hope you don't mind me using the clip of our little racing incident from Interlagos... 😅
hi dan i need help setting up my logitech shifter on race room i can't figure it out can you please help
Is the shifter connected to the wheelbase? Is the wheelbase connected to power? Have you enabled h pattern shifting in the RaceRoom menus? Are you using a pattern shifter compatible car? Not all cars in RaceRoom let you use a shifter if the real one doesn't use one, even if you have the settings enabled in the menu.
@@DDFRacer thank you i didn’t know that
@@DDFRacer i did what you said and it’s still not working
@@sunku775 which car are you trying to drive with the shifter? Also have you mapped the buttons?
I just can't get used to RR. not in my top5
That's fair enough mate, it's not for everyone 👍 and also goes to show how spoiled we are as sim racers at the moment that we have more than 5 top tier options to choose from.
Just fix the loadtimes and whatever needs doing to get the online part thriving. A popular online part is what keeps this game healthy.
Edit: and adding 90s supertouring cars. That is all 👍
Couldn't agree more with you on this one mate, online racing in RaceRoom is incredibly enjoyable however many people aren't able to take part. For example, I'm based in Australia so I'm used to having a not-so-great ping when racing against people from other parts of the world. However in RaceRoom it's nearly impossible to stay connected to an EU server for a full practice/quali/race session which gives you no incentive to take part considering the massive rating drops you get from a DNF. Several AU/NZ players got to the stage where they couldn't even take part in most races since their rep had dropped below the requirements for the non-rookie servers and with no option to grind it back up again they were effectively locked out of ranked racing.
I appreciate that the fundamental laws of physics apply when connecting two computers on opposite sides of the world, but the stability of the RaceRoom servers does tend to play a big factor in most races. For example in the E1 series I recently competed in, we had to abandon a round due to everyone from the Indonesia/Malaysia/Singapore etc region being unable to connect...whereas everyone else in the European and Australian regions were fine.
@@DDFRacer That is a damn shame. You seem to have a good line communication with the devs so hopefully they are aware and doing whatever they can to mitigate the problem.
Great content btw 👍 keep it up.
I've been pretty much exclusively on Raceroom for the last 5 years, and the amount of updates and improvements it has received within that time is truly amazing when you look at where it was 5 years ago. Regular big physics updates, free ranked server and competition systems, a complete FFB overhaul, UI and feature updates and superb content quality. And the most important thing: It just works. No fiddling with settings, config files or external software required. Critics often focus on what it lacks, which are endurance racing features like driver changes, night and weather, but the foundation is really the best of any of the current sims. For the past 6 months I've been on rF2 to participate in a league, and oh boy is this a bad product. Lots of user fiddling to get it to work properly, especially FFB works terrible out of the box with my CSL DD and requires a lot of work and fiddling with wheel settings to get it to work acceptably (I really don't see how fans of rF2 think this is the best FFB on the market, probably because the're just used to it, haven't tried anything else in the past 5 years and invested hundreds of hours to tweak the settings of their 2000€ simucube wheels). Devs seem to be afraid to touch any of the FFB code because any change/improvement might scare the fans, and physics updates are minor, if any. I'm not saying rF2 physics are bad, but it certainly feels like despite being market-leading many years ago, they're being left behind for the sake of not changing anything users are accustomed to. I feel like Raceroom is taking the right approach in their development, they don't fear leaving anything outdated behind and replacing it with something that's radically improved, even if it means completely changing the feel and physics, like they did with the radical GT3 physics overhaul in December 2019 or the complete FFB rewrite in 2021.
Couldn't agree more, the development that RaceRoom has seen in the past 5 years has been pretty major 👍 although sim racing is quite a niche and competitive industry so there will always be comparisons to other titles and lack of features. For example, you could argue that ACC has also gone through a similar transformation as it was very poor on initial release and is now one of the leading sims out there in terms of player numbers. I personally don't enjoy ACC that much, but I can appreciate the appeal of it.
Funny you mention rF2 though as that's where I originally started _'properly'_ sim racing many years ago and, just like yourself, found it way too fiddly and buggy. I lost several good enduro VEC results due to warping/screen freezes/bizarre bugs, so much frustration and endless tweaking of settings...that's what brought me to RaceRoom in the first place. It just *works*, you know. And it feels great. I just wish they could afford some more resources and apply the same kind of transformations that the physics/FFB experienced to other areas of the sim too.
after crashing 3 times on the loading screen. i gave up with it
Might be problems on the servers, although I'm away from the rig at the moment so can't try myself. The loading screens do take a _long time_ though so are you sure it wasn't just still loading in the background, or did you get some kind of error message? It'll often appear unresponsive at first but then come good after a minute or so. Either way, like I said in the video, RaceRoom doesn't do itself any favours with stuff like this.
I downloaded on to my new pc last week and couldn't get it to launch...Very frustrating as it ran fine on my old one. No clue why.
Could be a server issue thing on RaceRoom's end, I know they've been having a few issues with network connectivity recently. Have you tried again?
@@DDFRacer I uninstalled Bud....I'll try again though when I get chance.
I mean it would be great to have RaceRoom 2. As it is though for a hour or less race it's the most intense racing in any sim out there. It's highly rewarding as a simulator for close but fair racing. My sim organization does a quarterly TCR race series and everyone wants to watch the replay together and relive the battles. Yeah sometimes there is a takeout of each other but unlike other series we have hosted where you get into fights and we have to throw out penalties its more of "Damn man sorry, great battling you." Yeah you can get super sweaty serious with other sims but we aren't professional drivers and frankly I want to have fun.
Couldn't agree more mate, nothing throws you into the ring quite the same as RaceRoom does in terms of pure enjoyment. I've taken part in races with several different communities and there's something about this sim that just amps up the intensity compared to the others. With iRacing it feels like you're constantly fighting the car instead of others, with AC the warping/pinging is pretty terrible for close racing, with AMS2 the fields tend to spread out quite quickly for some reason...whereas in RaceRoom you don't tend to get any of that.
@@DDFRacer yeah man just let me know when you want to be taught the Touring Car way by GRG.
Or vr that works or competition that is used in the US. It's unfortunately pretty dead. I liked it before they screwed it up with the 'update' last year.
Completely agree about the game being a bit dead in terms of the competition side of things. A lot of the servers and schedules are EU based which makes sense because that's where the majority of racers are based but, for those like ourselves who are based in, for example, the US or Australia, there aren't many options for championships or drivers using the servers. Not quite sure what you're referencing in terms or VR or the update that screwed it last year though 🤔 I use VR a lot in RaceRoom and, sure, it's not as pretty as AMS2 but it runs just fine.
Support for my new Logitech G Pro wheel and Pedals would be nice i can't get the to work in the game."UPDATE ISSUE SOLVED"
Seems odd, since most Logitech stuff works by default 🤔 have you tried asking in the RaceRoom forums or on their Discord to see if anyone else has the same problem/found a solution?
@@DDFRacer Update it worked fine lastnight in G923 Mode worked after restarting game as you said.Theres a firmware update today for consoles updated mine with no issues.
raceroom is my go to sim iracing feels shit after a good amount of time in raceroom
As a RUclipsr I find myself constantly hopping between sims for various videos, streams and events which only highlights the differences even more. After spending a lot of time in AMS2, DIRT Rally 2.0, Assetto Corsa and iRacing over the past few months, coming back to RaceRoom just makes me appreciate it even more. Like I said in the video, in terms of driving feel and quality racing, it's second to none.
the graphics is so bad, the colours hurt my eyes.
You should probably get that checked by a doctor mate. Definitely not normal
They know but it's a old engine but they are cranking out the content.
I mean, sure, the graphics aren't exactly up to the standards of say AMS2 or ACC...but it shouldn't be painful 🤔 considering the colours are no different than anything else your monitor would normally display for other games or videos. Would definitely second what George said and book in an appointment with an optometrist if you don't have a pre existing condition with your eyesight.