Hey Austin, when you do a vintage (20 +years old) show, when you discuss the information segment it would be very interesting if you could include the original retail price. You already do an excellent job sharing all the information behind these great instruments but I would find it interesting to know the original price of these. I understand it would more time during your research but I think it would make the episode even more interesting. Hope you would consider, thank you for all the hard work, Mike
Funny to think that the time gap between 1983 to now (41 years) is close to double the age gap than between the original 1959 and the 1983 re-issue of 24 years
The Jimmy Page #1 will be the the highest priced guitar ever if it ever goes up for auction and nobody knows if it’s a 59 or 60 and it was refinished and the tuners replaced, I’ve played a burst and it was no better then my R0, vintage has become insane
The wiring looks original for a steel plate tailpiece ground HH LP with no cans. The slate colored Belden switch cable is correct with the un-sleeved foil shield drain wire (chassis ground). The tone capacitors are original and the LP is wired in the "Modern" style. The soldering is original and better than average for this vintage year LP. The tailpiece ground wire is one of the better variants, it is tin plated 20 AWG stranded copper wire. I think the stranded wire when splayed actually makes a better electrical connection with the tailpiece insert when the insert is installed. However, it is important to clean all of the oxidation off of the insert before installing to ensure a good electrical connection.
It's amazing that they fret over tiny little things like glue type and the decal outline or position but have yet to make a reissue with the correct rounded-over edge on the right headstock wing... ;)
So, NONE of the Prehistorics have Long neck tenons … and only some of them (earlier ones?) have Tim Shaw’s [this one does, and sounds nice to me] … but then, they also may have the weird gap between the neck p/up and the fretboard, so … they all tend to have a skinny, 60RI neck … and they have big washer screw-on bushings (look wrong, AND prone to breaking!) on the tuners … hmmmm 😏 … still the best Norlin-era STANDARD LP, tho’ …
Great years for guitars u had the prehistoric gibsons and those amazing first run avri for fender, i think what both companys are doing now 2021-present is amazing w the Brazilian and long neck tenons and amazing relic work, were in a golden era
I’m guessing the neck tenon length shrinking over time is just a choice to save money/lumber. It does not seem to affect the neck joint, unlike on early 1961 SG shaped Les Pauls.
hey trogley how do u feel about grecos high end series stuff from the late 70’s early 80s. i personally own a eg 59-50 and it’s the best lp i’ve ever owned and played
The binding "thickness" he refers to is the "height" of the binding front of guitar to back of guitar. The thin binding is the same "height" along the side, around the entire side/edges of the guitar. They also started using "thick" binding where it covers all of the top maple wood visible (with "thin" binding) when viewed from the side. The thick binding is maybe 3x the "height" in that spot (the cutaway) as the thin binding. I hope that helps (but it might be clear as mud)! 😆
It is used to describe the fact that in horn, the cut away, you basically see 3 layers: 1 the top (thin) binding, 2 the exposed maple cap and 3. the body. On other guitars, the binding is thicker, going straight over onto the body. The thin binding and exposed maple cap is historically correct. Thick binding was done in the 70s and 80s I suppose... Hope this helps
I really like the blueshawk or the Nighthawk why can't they take the wood out of the back so you can be comfortable and have access what's wrong with that make them lighter for us old people LOL looks like it has a veloute my 2012 gold top cheapest one has a Volute unfortunately it has electronics and not solid pots I did not believe when I opened it it sounds good but I want real hardwired someday look for 7:50 about 10 years ago that was pretty good deal a gold top 2012 50s Les Paul tribute I think it has baked maple because it was the wood incident remember that I'll never forget that
I have a 81 lpc it came w a Nashville bridge i hated it, i got a 1968 gold plated lightweight stopbar and abr 1 and had them put in when i got a refret. I hate Nashville bridges
Senior Trogness you've got me wanting a Sunburst Les Paul ! Also buying the ' Beauty of the Burst ' book has got me drooling ...Cool Beans ( Bursts ) , love thems ! sounds GREAT !! Thanks Trog !
I remember in the late 80s early 90s a standard was $750 and a custom was $1100…they just weren’t selling No one wanted a Les Paul back then Now they are wayy overpriced
You have to look at this through 1983 eyes to appreciate it. New Les Pauls have been these weird multipiece things with giant headstocks - Gibson is finally building them "right" again
@@Trog at no point do i mean to insult... ive been coming to watch for years, and you are a fabulous curator of gibson history... and speaking only for myself, i have a real hard time noticing the differences that you do. keep on going, i will keep coming back
@@michaelallen434 at no point do i mean to insult... i appreciate the art that is "guitar" (and other musical instruments), but i do not catch the differences that you ...connoisseurs do
I have been fixated on Les Paul's since I was 13 in 1973. I don't know how to explain it, but some Les Paul's depending on the hardware or the color just look off and wrong to me and I don't want to own them. While others look like God.
@@shaunw9270 i appreciate the art that is guitar. but thanks for being all karen like. am i not allowed to watch even if i cant tell the dif between an 88 or 89? get over yourself you elitist
I love learning about the prehistoric era of Gibson. The flame on that example is really tight haha. Wow.
Hey Austin, when you do a vintage (20 +years old) show, when you discuss the information segment it would be very interesting if you could include the original retail price.
You already do an excellent job sharing all the information behind these great instruments but I would find it interesting to know the original price of these. I understand it would more time during your research but I think it would make the episode even more interesting.
Hope you would consider, thank you for all the hard work, Mike
Funny to think that the time gap between 1983 to now (41 years) is close to double the age gap than between the original 1959 and the 1983 re-issue of 24 years
The Jimmy Page #1 will be the the highest priced guitar ever if it ever goes up for auction and nobody knows if it’s a 59 or 60 and it was refinished and the tuners replaced, I’ve played a burst and it was no better then my R0, vintage has become insane
Saw Kirk Hammett play Greenie last night! Pretty AWSOME!!!
The wood design here is fantabulous!!
The wiring looks original for a steel plate tailpiece ground HH LP with no cans. The slate colored Belden switch cable is correct with the un-sleeved foil shield drain wire (chassis ground). The tone capacitors are original and the LP is wired in the "Modern" style. The soldering is original and better than average for this vintage year LP. The tailpiece ground wire is one of the better variants, it is tin plated 20 AWG stranded copper wire. I think the stranded wire when splayed actually makes a better electrical connection with the tailpiece insert when the insert is installed. However, it is important to clean all of the oxidation off of the insert before installing to ensure a good electrical connection.
It's amazing that they fret over tiny little things like glue type and the decal outline or position but have yet to make a reissue with the correct rounded-over edge on the right headstock wing... ;)
I love the subtle streaks in the fretboard!
So, NONE of the Prehistorics have Long neck tenons … and only some of them (earlier ones?) have Tim Shaw’s [this one does, and sounds nice to me] … but then, they also may have the weird gap between the neck p/up and the fretboard, so … they all tend to have a skinny, 60RI neck … and they have big washer screw-on bushings (look wrong, AND prone to breaking!) on the tuners … hmmmm 😏 … still the best Norlin-era STANDARD LP, tho’ …
What do you use to clean pick up covers
Great years for guitars u had the prehistoric gibsons and those amazing first run avri for fender, i think what both companys are doing now 2021-present is amazing w the Brazilian and long neck tenons and amazing relic work, were in a golden era
Digging this one, even the Tim Shaw bridge pup sounded decent for once. It looks very similar to my '94 Classic tbh.
I’m guessing the neck tenon length shrinking over time is just a choice to save money/lumber. It does not seem to affect the neck joint, unlike on early 1961 SG shaped Les Pauls.
Beautiful finish on that guitar
hey trogley how do u feel about grecos high end series stuff from the late 70’s early 80s. i personally own a eg 59-50 and it’s the best lp i’ve ever owned and played
Bent tuner there at 4:47.
well its a beautiful guitar for sure. the price kinda makes it a no buy for most people other than collectors. not a player type guitar
Beauty. Looks like new one. True beauty.
Best sounding Les Paul in a long while.
Thats a special guitar
Hello from Alaska.
I get why the pick ups are highly desired. This one is the best LP I’ve heard
Iv’e heard it on perhaps every Trogly video, but still don’t quite get “thin binding in the cutaway.”
The binding "thickness" he refers to is the "height" of the binding front of guitar to back of guitar. The thin binding is the same "height" along the side, around the entire side/edges of the guitar.
They also started using "thick" binding where it covers all of the top maple wood visible (with "thin" binding) when viewed from the side. The thick binding is maybe 3x the "height" in that spot (the cutaway) as the thin binding.
I hope that helps (but it might be clear as mud)! 😆
It is used to describe the fact that in horn, the cut away, you basically see 3 layers: 1 the top (thin) binding, 2 the exposed maple cap and 3. the body.
On other guitars, the binding is thicker, going straight over onto the body.
The thin binding and exposed maple cap is historically correct. Thick binding was done in the 70s and 80s I suppose... Hope this helps
Do you have a 1983 Gibson Les Paul Custom for sale? Willing to pay the price.
As girls say it's all in the wood.
Hahahahahahaha well said!!!
Good show!
This individual is a Gibson expert, I barely remember half of what he said
At least the history of Gibson guitars isn't complicated lol
I really like the blueshawk or the Nighthawk why can't they take the wood out of the back so you can be comfortable and have access what's wrong with that make them lighter for us old people LOL looks like it has a veloute my 2012 gold top cheapest one has a Volute unfortunately it has electronics and not solid pots I did not believe when I opened it it sounds good but I want real hardwired someday look for 7:50 about 10 years ago that was pretty good deal a gold top 2012 50s Les Paul tribute I think it has baked maple because it was the wood incident remember that I'll never forget that
Nice.
First one has run out on 2nd one now
Hey trogly! Could you try to learn "ridin the storm out" for my local guy, Gary Richrath?
I have a 81 lpc it came w a Nashville bridge i hated it, i got a 1968 gold plated lightweight stopbar and abr 1 and had them put in when i got a refret. I hate Nashville bridges
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Syrup syrup syrup
Wow, that sounds _great_ from 15:33 on!
Another great vid. Thanks Trogly
What are you using for an amp? Is this s digital "plug in" interface? It doesn't sound like a real amp. Maybe you are just using pedals?
It is a marshall bluesbreaker reissue. Reverb is added in post though
I’m late to the show tonight lol
I have 113 guitars and basses…anybody interested in buying them?
I don't have room for that many😢
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Senior Trogness you've got me wanting a Sunburst Les Paul ! Also buying the ' Beauty of the Burst ' book has got me drooling ...Cool Beans ( Bursts ) , love thems ! sounds GREAT !! Thanks Trog !
Awesome history lesson man!!!
Gorgeous instrument and it sounds fantastic.
I remember in the late 80s early 90s a standard was $750 and a custom was $1100…they just weren’t selling No one wanted a Les Paul back then Now they are wayy overpriced
A very cool looking and sounding prehistoric!
Strings and Things in Memphis is where i sold my L-6 Deluxe and got a 58 flying v.
woods, colors and pups options are the only dif... otherwise.... again... EVERY les paul looks like every other les paul
You have to look at this through 1983 eyes to appreciate it. New Les Pauls have been these weird multipiece things with giant headstocks - Gibson is finally building them "right" again
@@Trog at no point do i mean to insult... ive been coming to watch for years, and you are a fabulous curator of gibson history... and speaking only for myself, i have a real hard time noticing the differences that you do. keep on going, i will keep coming back
EVERY las paul looks like a les paul. you ppl are nuts
This is for connoisseurs. Yes they are basically the same but to some, details matter. Different strokes for different folks
Then why are you even here ?
@@michaelallen434 at no point do i mean to insult... i appreciate the art that is "guitar" (and other musical instruments), but i do not catch the differences that you ...connoisseurs do
I have been fixated on Les Paul's since I was 13 in 1973. I don't know how to explain it, but some Les Paul's depending on the hardware or the color just look off and wrong to me and I don't want to own them. While others look like God.
@@shaunw9270 i appreciate the art that is guitar. but thanks for being all karen like. am i not allowed to watch even if i cant tell the dif between an 88 or 89? get over yourself you elitist
Good history lesson man, to be honest I had no idea lol ..
Who was the sadistic mastermind who came up with the thumb-bleeders … ?! 😬😏
Looks all the same - shitty guitars for laywers and doctors.
I really want a quilt top Gibson. Owning a Gibson isn’t a status. It’s paying homage to the history.
1983 was the best year ever. I’m living proof. I’m pretty great, and so are Les Paul’s.
@@ChallisVenstra Well, Hendrix DID write a tune about it....
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Z is for an hour late.
Trog with my morning coffee. I have gas.
First like goes to meeee...
I'll take a newer, more accurate reissue over this era any day
First! Love ya Trog
If you can't hear the difference between a gibson and a toy like fender you are a drummer lol
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