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I'm so lucky I found your videos. Especially the injector and cups videos and the overhead adjustment. Keep it going fellas bull gear issue yikes can't wait . Fleet mechanic bohemia ny
Had 2 of my Volvo’s at 650K with the same problem. Very common in Volvo d13. Cost me 8500$ in local shop. Dealer was asking for 14000. When it start going bad it make a noise as if you don’t have power steering fluid when you turn the wheel. If you broke on a road you ll have to tow it, truck won’t move
The problem wasn't from the compressor gear. The issue is because they only used loctite to keep the nut on. There's hot ass oil the hits that gear. Loctite and heat dont mixed
Hi how are you brother I got Volvo D 13 when I come to stop or red light I push the gas it is like truck want to shut off but it doesn’t shut off it happen sometimes no check engine light 2017 miles 502567 what you think is the problem
@@Amir-ky5db Assuming you have no issues with power and truck is pulling normaly then it is going to be sensor related issue. Check your fuel/accelerator pedal make sure it has correct range. You will need sofrware for that. If you are having issue with power as well then it will be fuel delivery issue.
What year range D13s have this issue? If looking at a used truck is there any way to tell if this has been fixed before or if it's going to fail soon? Once this is repaired is it a repeat problem every few hundred thousand miles or is there a permanent solution to it?
Do all semi trucks have a bull gear and are they all in the same place. The Detroit 60 series is on the front of the engine right? And this one you show here is at the back of the engine?
Just seen this iam wondering i just bought a 2015 d13 730 model to use as an rv hauler. I can hear a slight rattling noise coming from the motor when idling. Does that sound like bull gear or the gear for compressor. thanks
Hi boss, i got a question I have a 2013 Volvo with d13 820k now def deleted still has egr I replaced injectors a year ago . Ever since I replaced the injectors I get a lot of fuel smoke blueish whiteish only at first start up and if I shut it off for 20 min and turn it back on. After warmed up I can’t see the smoke but can smell it. Do you know what it could be ? I can’t get a mechanic to figure out what it is
I have 2015 Volvo d13 . The transmission code p105378 came on. Online it’s saying clutch plate wear. Or adjustment. Can you give me some clarity on this issue? Please
This was common problem with the early D-13's ,so much that Volvo actually had a service program to drill through the lower timing cover/upper flywheel housing and into/through the spanner nut that sets the preload on the Double idler gear ( this of course if the nut hadn't already loosened up ) not sure what they supposedly changed on the later engines? I know many have asked "what is the torque on the nut? " they don't have a specification on it for field service, if the nut comes loose you have to replace the entire double idler gear and a boat load of other very expensive part's!! The dilemma is that there are no aftermarket parts for these things =you have to by then from "VOLVO " =GREEN GOLD!!! , there really isn't any aspect about these engines that is inexpensive or cheap to fix
This just happened to me . Im sitting here tryna figure out if it's worth doin or should I buy a single axle truck and swap engines. What are your thoughts? VOLVO WANTS $18000. MY MECHANIC SAYS HE CAN ONLY SWAP
Hello I just did an oil change on a 2013 Mack granite gu713 mp8 motor and there was some little metal balls like pellets in the oil do you know where that would come from ? Would this be the problem ? Thanks in advance
Sounds like balls from bearing. Depending on size could be couple different things. The ones from idler gear are about 3/8" if they are like pellets from pellet gun size the only thing I can think of is power steering pump but I haven't seen them come apart like that
@@betoyepez2689 check main and rod bearings, if ok change oil pump, clean out all metal and replace gear. Non dealer shop should be able to do under 8k
Just a grinding noise usually when air comrpesor is running but sometimes without. If you just leave it I assume it will cause all your gears to wear out and jump timing but I've never seen that
There was a recall. Since a I’m a certified Volvo/Mack tech you actually pinned the gear. But the recall was 10 yrs ago and all of the unit are out of warranty. But I haven’t seen a double idler fail for a few years
@@obrizzle375 the way I know recall works , volvo / Mack dealer have to fix it with warranty or without warranty and no money spent from the owner's poket... do u have the list of recalls for d13 ?
@@eugeniujosanu279 i can get them but most have been preformed. But the pinning of the double idler was a safety recall. Safety recalls are don’t with or without warranty. The pinning process is no longer allowed because it became hard to get the parts and the style that would come apart was last used on week 48 in 2011. Now the drill 8 small holes into the spanner nut and install small roll pins so it’s impossible for the nut to back out once preload has been set. Like i said this was just a recall not a safety recall.
@@eugeniujosanu279 also you can access the recall info by going to volvotrucks.us, parts and service tab and then find resources and manuals. You’ll come up to a screen, scroll down and you’ll find volvo emedia center and most info is in there. You can even find toque specs and procedures as well.
Idler gear failure=engine failure ,once you have metal shavings all over the motor is just a matter of time to have other components down. Replacing the gear only is costly , i was quoted 18,000$ by Volvo, so i decided to buy a reman motor. D13 ! bad injectors, cam isues, and gears. this was my 3rd and last Volvo, never again.
I was asking because I see a lot of MACS and Volvo truck for super cheap but the Mac needs bull gear and Volvo needs timing gear ⚙️ about how expensive is this or at least time wise ???
The issue has been fixed. Only happened on 2007 to 2012 engines. Its impossible for the spanner nut to back out now and volvo has drilled 8 roll pins into the nut
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Very bad designing, if new it's good. That gear with the ball bearings, driving the fuel pump. Came apart, cost: $7500. For all the parts replacement n labor.
That supose to be a recall for the retainer, just need someone with power to bring it up . Thats not safe considering evrething it started form a loose retainer.
@@eugeniujosanu279 true, very dangerous! I was in the passing lane, third over, going 75mph. Engine, shut down, power steering shut, same time, since they are in tandem run by the same gear. Older trucks with power steering pump on front of engine, as long as it in gear turning with the motor, the fuel pump can stop working but you at least had power steering til you coasted to a stop! I caught heck getting over three Lanes of traffic to a median, no power steering! Rush hour in Phoenix, AZ. A tow bill, motel bill added to that high repair cost. Crazy, Volvo
@@arthursmith5409 i sure don t wan t to be in your place or somebody else. That looks expensive...specialy when you getting caught on the road (try to explain insurance or cops it s a mechanical problem for you being in the ditch at the moment) I m waiting for my own bill for transmission failure at 612xxx miles, jerks when trying in reverse and dosent go under load or small hill. It sounded expensive.. 3 weeks on the road, still no money in the poket , repair bills/ insurance /mandatory papers for f guvernament/fuel.
@@eugeniujosanu279 That sounds like a typical iShift auto transmission going out at 600k, should've gone with a 13 speed, sorry this happened to you at the worst time.
@@mifix786 i got the truck out . Was surprised to see lots of ppl (volvo) with this problem, some just passing 400xxx miles. Mine got droped down 3 times , first clutch and all components, sec valve body shift solenoid and broken gasket , 3d went for complet rebuild, was some internal gears and bearings .. ended up with 12000 $ empty 😕. Still no answer from insurance to pay for the brake down. Thru north got a bad reputation when comes to repairs.
Bull gears fixed 2013 and up but still some idler gear problems around 7-800k. Better then engine removal to change camshaft or new paccar every 400k when you get hole in the block. Detroit is ok though
Glad to finally see what D13 bull gear looks like! Thanks for the great info!
Looks great man! Right on point. You know your stuff. And yes, definitely good idea to replace anything in question while you’re already there.
Dude this video was quick and super helpful.
I was in your shop last year. you did the injector cups. you are good mechanic
I'm so lucky I found your videos. Especially the injector and cups videos and the overhead adjustment. Keep it going fellas bull gear issue yikes can't wait .
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Had 2 of my Volvo’s at 650K with the same problem. Very common in Volvo d13. Cost me 8500$ in local shop. Dealer was asking for 14000. When it start going bad it make a noise as if you don’t have power steering fluid when you turn the wheel. If you broke on a road you ll have to tow it, truck won’t move
does this occur on the automatic or the manual?
This just happened to me. Was anything else damaged inside your engine?
Great video very helpfull. Are you planning on making one showing how to set the base timing on d13?
Hello mate, helpful video , question whats the torque for bull gear big nut on d13
Good day man, it is professional job, you do and explain perfect, I have done same job in Sweden,
problem was from compressor gear..
The problem wasn't from the compressor gear. The issue is because they only used loctite to keep the nut on. There's hot ass oil the hits that gear. Loctite and heat dont mixed
Thanks for sharing, keep them coming.
Hi how are you brother I got Volvo D 13 when I come to stop or red light I push the gas it is like truck want to shut off but it doesn’t shut off it happen sometimes no check engine light 2017 miles 502567 what you think is the problem
@@Amir-ky5db Assuming you have no issues with power and truck is pulling normaly then it is going to be sensor related issue. Check your fuel/accelerator pedal make sure it has correct range. You will need sofrware for that. If you are having issue with power as well then it will be fuel delivery issue.
What was the torque to tighten that nut.
Good mechanic willing to think it through
Can you tell me anything about the power steering fuel pump tandem?
What year range D13s have this issue? If looking at a used truck is there any way to tell if this has been fixed before or if it's going to fail soon? Once this is repaired is it a repeat problem every few hundred thousand miles or is there a permanent solution to it?
Hi. When you put the nut back on the bull gear what do you tork it to? Do you use any thread locker?
Great videos
Thank you for sharing this
Do all semi trucks have a bull gear and are they all in the same place. The Detroit 60 series is on the front of the engine right? And this one you show here is at the back of the engine?
How many pounds does the bull gear to tight
Thank you
Just seen this iam wondering i just bought a 2015 d13 730 model to use as an rv hauler. I can hear a slight rattling noise coming from the motor when idling.
Does that sound like bull gear or the gear for compressor. thanks
That’s great work
Hi boss,
i got a question I have a 2013 Volvo with d13 820k now def deleted still has egr I replaced injectors a year ago . Ever since I replaced the injectors I get a lot of fuel smoke blueish whiteish only at first start up and if I shut it off for 20 min and turn it back on. After warmed up I can’t see the smoke but can smell it. Do you know what it could be ? I can’t get a mechanic to figure out what it is
What was the symptom of the bull gear failure???
Great vid
Have you ever seen a #7 main go bad due to metal shavings? Just wondering. I don’t know ! Have you? Great presentation 👍
Definitely enjoyed the video my man. Do the bull gears still have issues on the new volvo's?
+Deadpool diesel daddy happy camper they updated the design, have not had any new ones yet
They fixed the issue in 2012 when they drilled 8 roll pins into the spanner nut. So its impossible for the nut to back out.
I have 2015 Volvo d13 . The transmission code p105378 came on. Online it’s saying clutch plate wear. Or adjustment. Can you give me some clarity on this issue? Please
big job, just did one.
20007-2012? i believe cummins don't have this problem
how mach was this job ?
This was common problem with the early D-13's ,so much that Volvo actually had a service program to drill through the lower timing cover/upper flywheel housing and into/through the spanner nut that sets the preload on the Double idler gear ( this of course if the nut hadn't already loosened up ) not sure what they supposedly changed on the later engines? I know many have asked "what is the torque on the nut? " they don't have a specification on it for field service, if the nut comes loose you have to replace the entire double idler gear and a boat load of other very expensive part's!! The dilemma is that there are no aftermarket parts for these things =you have to by then from "VOLVO " =GREEN GOLD!!! , there really isn't any aspect about these engines that is inexpensive or cheap to fix
They fixed it by drilling 8 roll pins into the updated gears
How much did it cost 🤔
This just happened to me . Im sitting here tryna figure out if it's worth doin or should I buy a single axle truck and swap engines. What are your thoughts? VOLVO WANTS $18000. MY MECHANIC SAYS HE CAN ONLY SWAP
I think indy shop could do bull gear under 8k, if you look around you could find engine under 500k for around 8k plus pay for swap maybe 3-4k
Hello I just did an oil change on a 2013 Mack granite gu713 mp8 motor and there was some little metal balls like pellets in the oil do you know where that would come from ? Would this be the problem ? Thanks in advance
Sounds like balls from bearing. Depending on size could be couple different things. The ones from idler gear are about 3/8" if they are like pellets from pellet gun size the only thing I can think of is power steering pump but I haven't seen them come apart like that
@@cardinaltruckservice3753 okay and the idler gear is that a big job ? Like how much you think something like that would cost
@@betoyepez2689 check main and rod bearings, if ok change oil pump, clean out all metal and replace gear. Non dealer shop should be able to do under 8k
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what are some of the symptoms? just a noise?
Just a grinding noise usually when air comrpesor is running but sometimes without. If you just leave it I assume it will cause all your gears to wear out and jump timing but I've never seen that
Good info. I have been getting at least million 200 thousand miles before I have had this problem. No worth it so I just get rid of truck.
Any special tools to perform that kind of task?? Sir
Feeler gauge. Dial indicator. And bottle jack to hold engine up.
Hey man , what are the symptoms , how do you know your bull gear is getting bad??
Iv watched other mechanich before this ,, he s saying is a grinding noise during idling , u can give it some gas to hear it (the grinding) better.
Guys plz help me out , did these job couple weeks a go . How many hrs does these job legally pays ? Ty guys.
There is no "Legal" time, but to replace everything you should, most shops charge 40-50 hours. Depending on tech can be done in 25-60 hours
How many miles have that truck in the engine? Thanks 👍👍👌
900k
Thank and good video 👌
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Sounds like it supose to be a RECALL for volvo if that retainer just falls off and makes all this kind of damage.
Nah job security
There was a recall. Since a I’m a certified Volvo/Mack tech you actually pinned the gear. But the recall was 10 yrs ago and all of the unit are out of warranty. But I haven’t seen a double idler fail for a few years
@@obrizzle375 the way I know recall works , volvo / Mack dealer have to fix it with warranty or without warranty and no money spent from the owner's poket... do u have the list of recalls for d13 ?
@@eugeniujosanu279 i can get them but most have been preformed. But the pinning of the double idler was a safety recall. Safety recalls are don’t with or without warranty. The pinning process is no longer allowed because it became hard to get the parts and the style that would come apart was last used on week 48 in 2011. Now the drill 8 small holes into the spanner nut and install small roll pins so it’s impossible for the nut to back out once preload has been set. Like i said this was just a recall not a safety recall.
@@eugeniujosanu279 also you can access the recall info by going to volvotrucks.us, parts and service tab and then find resources and manuals. You’ll come up to a screen, scroll down and you’ll find volvo emedia center and most info is in there. You can even find toque specs and procedures as well.
How much to repair a leaking timing cover?
+Ruslan Mazur upper timing cover about $200 for labor
Cardinal Truck Service I wish your shop was close to Portland Oregon
Is it worth it to rebuild it? Or will there just be too much of a hassle with wear and tear?
Most people get it repaired, new bull gear is updated so less chance of this happening again
@@cardinaltruckservice3753 thank you
@@cardinaltruckservice3753 in doing said rebuild what all is replaced and or cleaned out to ensure no metal shavings destroy anything else?
@@TheJigokubatsu oil pump and 7th main bearing at least are replaced, all main bearings is best
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How many miles were on that engine when that happened?
+myspace0211 900k
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I only have about 480k so I still should be good, By the way great job man!
What a pain in the ass! Good video man.
Nice video
1144565 on my VED12D. No problem with it.
How to tell it is bad???
It makes a grinding noise, usually when air compressor is running
The main problem is an aluminum housing , it has a reciprocating compressor & a 1000 pound transmission to support , it's all a planned failure set up
the cover on the one i did was worst than yours
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Idler gear failure=engine failure ,once you have metal shavings all over the motor is just a matter of time to have other components down. Replacing the gear only is costly , i was quoted 18,000$ by Volvo, so i decided to buy a reman motor. D13 ! bad injectors, cam isues, and gears. this was my 3rd and last Volvo, never again.
Thank God we don't do this where I work. Majority of our fleet are d13's. We park them, and sell them when the bull gear starts messing up.
Kyle Sueltenfuss how do you know is bad??
@@Amir-ky5db it starts making a grinding noise.
Is this the same as a MP7 Mack truck engine
@@bigsean131 I'm not sure what engine model, but I do know they use the d13 in a mack truck. They just change the color and name.
I was asking because I see a lot of MACS and Volvo truck for super cheap but the Mac needs bull gear and Volvo needs timing gear ⚙️ about how expensive is this or at least time wise ???
I can smell this video
The hell Volvo couldn't make any complicated. I'll never buy a Volvo rather overhaul my 12.7 series 60 for the price of D13 bullgear replacement.
The issue has been fixed. Only happened on 2007 to 2012 engines. Its impossible for the spanner nut to back out now and volvo has drilled 8 roll pins into the nut
@@trentonobrien9665 so i have 2015 d13..with 540k do you think i will need to replace the bull gear soon or like you said volvo got it fixed..thanks
@@trentonobrien9665 why not get it with the cummins and avoid this problem all together?
They make it out of aluminum so it want last as long
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Damn Volvo should have found a better way to keep that retainer ring on cause it causes a lot of damage when it falls off 🤦♂️
I call it double gear
A pain in the BUTtttt
Very bad designing, if new it's good. That gear with the ball bearings, driving the fuel pump. Came apart, cost: $7500. For all the parts replacement n labor.
That supose to be a recall for the retainer, just need someone with power to bring it up . Thats not safe considering evrething it started form a loose retainer.
@@eugeniujosanu279 true, very dangerous! I was in the passing lane, third over, going 75mph. Engine, shut down, power steering shut, same time, since they are in tandem run by the same gear. Older trucks with power steering pump on front of engine, as long as it in gear turning with the motor, the fuel pump can stop working but you at least had power steering til you coasted to a stop! I caught heck getting over three Lanes of traffic to a median, no power steering! Rush hour in Phoenix, AZ. A tow bill, motel bill added to that high repair cost. Crazy, Volvo
@@arthursmith5409 i sure don t wan t to be in your place or somebody else. That looks expensive...specialy when you getting caught on the road (try to explain insurance or cops it s a mechanical problem for you being in the ditch at the moment) I m waiting for my own bill for transmission failure at 612xxx miles, jerks when trying in reverse and dosent go under load or small hill. It sounded expensive.. 3 weeks on the road, still no money in the poket , repair bills/ insurance /mandatory papers for f guvernament/fuel.
@@eugeniujosanu279 That sounds like a typical iShift auto transmission going out at 600k, should've gone with a 13 speed, sorry this happened to you at the worst time.
@@mifix786 i got the truck out . Was surprised to see lots of ppl (volvo) with this problem, some just passing 400xxx miles. Mine got droped down 3 times , first clutch and all components, sec valve body shift solenoid and broken gasket , 3d went for complet rebuild, was some internal gears and bearings .. ended up with 12000 $ empty 😕. Still no answer from insurance to pay for the brake down. Thru north got a bad reputation when comes to repairs.
Damit I didn't see the freaking Bull. 🐃
That is insane. You could overhaul an N14 or a 60 series for the money you pay to put this worn out pile of junk back on the road.
Those engines always have bull gear problems. Reason why I just don’t buy them. I rather deal with Paccar and detroit.
Bull gears fixed 2013 and up but still some idler gear problems around 7-800k. Better then engine removal to change camshaft or new paccar every 400k when you get hole in the block. Detroit is ok though
You replacing everything lol customer is paying so oh well
Those parts not cheap
Not good
Volvo junk....just don’t buy anything with Volvo engines.
Volvo with Cummins is the best answer
Or buy new and sell them before 500.000 miles.