What is "manipulation"? (Glossary of Narcissistic Relationships)
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I noticed when I am being manipulated my anxiety gets so high I feel like vomiting. You body let's you know something is not right!
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Yes! I feel the same.
@@carriesparks9839 I get those feelings when I am discriminated. Understandding what's happening is one thing, but a healthy response to the injust (in this case manipulation or discrimination) is another thing. We need to learn assertivity and undelayed response.
Same for me
@@carriesparks9839 wow I didnt realize that those are warning bells. I just knew it as feeling yucky and uncomfortable but didnt know why. I just didnt know what they were warning me of or about. I just didnt know how to read them or what to do about them.
This explains why at the beginning of the relationship, they ask a lot of questions about us and they seem so attentive and caring. We misinterpret this as love/affection, when in actual fact they are collecting data for future use. Even during the devaluing stage, they dangle the carrot of hope using flattery to earn favours they don’t deserve and we cave in because we are craving for their withheld approval and affection and they know it. They are fully aware of all our weaknesses and strengths and they manipulate those accordingly for their personal benefit.
Yes! All of this!
My narc aunt would pretend like she cares and ask me questions but I know she only does that so she can use it against me and my family when she needs to create drama. The toxicity is unbelievable.
Amen!💯💯💯
Bewildering!
100
And, of course, if you try to discuss this, you ‘ll be immediately gaslighted into thinking that in fact YOU are the manipulator. So another guilt trip.
Død Seiðr yes my son does that!
It could sound like this if you call them it: "I hate when you say that I am manipulating you! You always say that before you decide to leave me!"
But, yes, that is exactly gaslighting and blame shifting.
Yelp, it's how they silence victims from criticizing narcs behavior
Or the narc will say.. "you complain too much". After a while, you begin to feel that way
@@dontbelongherefromanother - yeah, well, anything perceived as being critical of the Narc is 'complaining'.
And btw, there is a LOT to complain about, especially because actual discussion is off the table.
You can never save a narcissist. But they can always drag you into their darkness.
A true word for the wise
Sadly this is true, I’ve tried many time to “fix”. a narcissist that I really care about,IT CANT BE. DONE all it does is suck the life out of you. They drain your energy and you have to run to save your own life!!!!!
@@lynnrinaldo6795 No one can fix them. Love you self and forget them. They deserve people like themselves. Only God can fix them.
🔨🔨🔨💯
I spent 6.5 years living in a cycle of chaos. I am glad that I had the courage to step away.
they don't really ask for the ride. they talk around it until you offer. That way they "never asked for anything"
So if they need to later they can say you forced them.
master manipulators
my younger brother is doing this to me now. never taking responsibility for his actions.
@Accounts Payable Yes yes yes!
Yes, It's so weird, and can be embarrassing when it's your person doing this to your boss or someone you respect and everyone is looking SO confused.
Narcissists dont have children.
They have long time hostages.
NEVER A TRUER WORD! That's been my take on exnarc but I have only shared it with one other person, fearing the usual ridicule and scoffing... X
Oh Lord.....never agreed more with a comment!!!!
This sounds so bad but it’s so true. I was never her daughter, I was just an extension of her which she had regretted making. And when she gets distracted she would simply just discard me....like a garbage.
Amen to that!! Strong and 100% true statement
I got free from my captures
For me, the covert narcissist comes across as a people pleaser. They like to be in the spotlight to get the validation that they crave for, as other narcissists but at the same time, they pretend to be humble, simple, generous, over giving. The covert narcissist will take time to build a relationship/friendship with you. During this period, they will show their admiration and their devotion by helping you with everything that is you need. They will try to convince you that you are soulmates and that they understand you deeply. At the same time, you will see them being overly altruistic, maybe helping society by engaging in charities, activism. They feed the poor, take care of the homeless. All this makes you think how lucky you are for having met such a beautiful soul. You want to be by their side for ever. However, soon you notice how much they enjoy being invited in galas to talk about their achievements. But they don’t admit that. They still play the humble guy who doesn’t want all this. Who is beyond money, beyond fame and recognition, who wants to share the floor with other people. But their acts don’t match their words. You come to realise that this selfless soul is actually doing whatever it takes to be in the centre of attention. When you do something together be it at work or at home, they want to control everything about it. They just exerce their control in a more polite and implicit way, making you believe that your voice was heard whereas in reality you did what they wanted you to do. Covert narcissists have a smooth way of leading you on. They don’t shout, they don’t give orders. They are master actors. They convince you that you are together in this. What makes them a narcissist is that when the time comes for them to use you in order to draw certain benefits, they will do it without a second thought and you are not going to believe in your eyes. And when you stand up for yourself and raise your voice against them calling them for their phony identity, then you will see their rage for the first time and the mask will fall. Covert narcissists manipulate less with rage/exhibiting superiority and more with people pleasing behaviour/playing the eternal victim. They are not aggressive as overt narcissists. They are more cunning. What they both have in common is self-centered ness and lack of empathy. In the case of coverts, it will take you longer to find out.They knew what they wanted to get out of you from the beginning. They created a whole theatre play to fool you about who they are and their true motives. You will trust them with all your heart but when the time comes for them to prove their loyalty by choosing your bond over their personal gain, they will choose the latter with no remorse, without even taking any responsibility. Unlike the overt narcissist, they will have an eloquent excuse for doing so, rationalizing why they had to f@ck you over. They will pretend to be sorry about it because this is something that matches the image of modesty that they want to project but in reality they are not sorry at all. You will see them partying with your own money when they said they didn’t have enough to pay you back. You will see them being unfair and untrustworthy to other people as well. When the mask of the victim will fall, you will see the cruel smile of a perpetrator who managed to get what they want without deserving it. If you decide to unmask them run for your life. Moreover, If you need to find out about a cheating narcissist; send a request to: *Metaspyhub@gmail. com*
Proving their loyalty, by choosing your bond, stuck out for me.
I just unmasked one EXACTLY like this! You are spot on.
So dead on, but you need to add the part about the flying monkeys they bring in when you call them out on their behavior, play victim, and the whole manipulation game begins. You know, how horrible you are to call them out, get angry at being hurt by them and their horrible behavior, she’s. Such a horrible wife for doing this to me, I’m the victim of her anger, guys feel sorry for ME! It’s all about ME!, and the sick thing is the Monkeys take the bait! Then you have to call out the monkeys!, I’ve learned male monkeys don’t like females standing up for themselves, and I always will. It’s sick to say the least!
omg yes! the Narc I know spit vitriol every min of every day then posts social media posts wearing ribbons for disabilities being like "We love you Melissa #cureforMS" knowing she is nothing like that in person at all. She's the loudest, nastiest person in real life but on social media comes across as virtuous.. It's really gross to witness.
Omfg this is my Exact experience and I wanna throw up right now. Taking me years to See through the quad Scorpio sweet guy bullshit
It is a kind of evil I cannot begin to understand
Best strategy I found is playing dumb. Not reading between the lines for them. Forcing them to be explicit about what they are asking of you makes them back away in confusion .
Brilliant 👍 I wish I knew all of this back then.
The covert narcissist does this so you would be using their own medicine against them.
I do this all the time. Now i get the reaction response of them looking strangely like i should know something its funny to watch them get frustrated and give up. Knowing to yourself that you know what they are doing.
What if it's your boss? How you deal with a narc boss vs a narc partner? Bc there is a power dynamic. I was getting a lot of guilt tripping behavior from my last boss. 🤦
@@nicolef2496 i still played dumb most of the time it works they think your dumb anyway. The harder you try to prove them wrong...the more they up the anty and playing one up. You enter their arena.. The best thing is to look for another job...
When they never take blame or apologize it manipulates ourselves to downplay what they did, or even worse causes us to blame ourselves for their mistakes.
They minimize their part to trivialize and deflect any admission of guilt. Deny deny deny to invalidate
100%
Absolutely 😔
My father, an extreme narcissist, once told me that if if one of his employees behaved the way I did, he would have fired me a long time ago. I laughed and told him “ exactly, you treat your family as employees, but we dont work for you”. The response was not well received, but I laugh since his true feelings bubbled to the surface.
OMG, so true. I have had that happen to me. It turned really ugly in the end because I kept stuffing my feelings down and stuffing them down, until I ended up exploding in rage myself. If you are ever in that situation yourself, do yourself a big favor. Call it out. Talk about it. Because nothing good can come of trying to tell yourself, "It's OK. I can take it." No. You can't. It is no bueno.
Thank god for the word NO. Say No and you'll learn who the manipulators are quickly
No is not an answer rather just a disrespectful dig at the fragile ego that is so protected by attacking other people
@@pastelpink1234 It's funny what that word can do to those people. It's almost like Van Helsing sticking the crucifix up at a vampire
@@mattsharkey8437 I can relate to that! The narcissist becoming panicky on hearing this one word. Not knowing the how, how I dare..... "What did I do to deserve you treating me like this?" Actually, theit reaction becomes fascinating, when you have learnt not to feel guilty.
@@agnes15101968 Yep. No and the Cross terrifies them all. That's another reason people make the sign of the cross when a person they're avoiding walks towards them.
I have also noticed this. For me the result of saying NO proved what I thought all along.
when you catch them in a lie or doing something they shouldn't be doing you can see the gaslighting and the manipulation start
@Go Guerilla Foto that's so true
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Like a switch flicks and the same show plays in the same sequence until the finale of rage where you stop before they hit the revenge curtain call
@@camogrrl what are meaning not sure with honor truth seems I'm in manipulative perspective 👨🎓💖🗽that doesn't respects either who 🌪🤕🤨please be honest if mean something by it other wise not true 🤕🌬💎🤍
Honest if that is ur perspective please be wise careful been threw mud not right things too becarful don't be used played outsmarted or manipulated 🤕🌬🌪🌬💎🤍🗽
A narc is always manipulating. From beginning to end in a relationship. It’s how they groom you for supply. They just don’t know anything else. Boundaries are indeed the only way to not be manipulated.
Narcs violate the boundaries of others, but don't want it happening to them. I want to share a personal experience that I had with a narc neighbor in the past, who moved in my community. Initially, he appeared to be a nice guy from his introduction, but that would almost change a few days later. He knocked on my door around 9 or 10 PM asking toilet paper. I didn't think nothing of it and willingly gave it to him. He kindly accepted it and offered to repay back the item, but I declined. Two weeks later, he knocked on my door during late hours, asking for a can opener because he couldn't find his because it was packed in one of his moving boxes. So, again, I gave him a can opener because I had extra and didn't want it back. He, again, thanked me and insisted on returning it. At this point, I still did not think he was being problematic. The third time he knocked on my door during late hours asking for duct tape, this is when I became suspicious, but willingly gave in. The fourth time was the final straw for me when he asked to borrow a brush for grilling. I politely told him no and apologized for not having it. It was at this time that I knew something wasn't right about him, and I would no longer allow him to exploit me. I guess he realized that I caught on to what he was doing, and he moved on to other neighbors to exploit them. They caught on too and reported the incidents to the landlord. The point is, narcs have no sense of boundaries and will not stop until you establish boundaries. They take your kindness as a weakness. Sorry for the long response, but it helps me to vent my frustration.
@@dontbelongherefromanother im so sorry that happenex to you. I have had that problem too!! We are sometimes not completely aware of our own boundaries and need to really tune into ourselves when we feel others have violated our boundaries. Narcs dont understand this and will NOT respect your boundaries even when you have identified them for yourself and then clearly and kindly stated them. But you cant assume that a Narc is just gonna use "common sense" as their fence line. They make all kinds of Assumptions to Their advantage and then Blame someone else for it. Trying to enforce this with a Narc yourself can just get you into Legal trouble as they have No Standards and are not Quality people.
Boundaries ARE A SOLUTION
@@dontbelongherefromanother I AGREE , THE LIARS THEIFS CON-ARTISTS SOCIOPATH DRUG TRAFFICKING PIMPS ALLOWED TO PLAY ON OTHERS KINDNESS, AND ARE ABUSIVE AND I SET CLEAR BOUNDARIES
@@leticiaoberley8886 AGREED 😇💯😇💯 CRIMINALLY FUCHIN TOXIC 🤬😡😠😠🥵🤕🥴😷🤧🤮🤮🤢😱 ABUSERS MANIPULATE!(**THEY ARE INSECURE LIARS THEIFS CON-ARTISTS SOCIOPATH AND PSYCHOPATH AND BLAMERS AND CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED!!!!
RUN!
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RUN 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏AWAY WHEN SOMEONE ABUSES🎤🎧😭🆘🎧🎤🎤🎼😭🆘🎧🎤🎼🙏 YOU ,🙃🙂🤢😤😡🤬😈🤬😡😠😤🥶🥵🤒🥴😷😷🤮🤢🤢🤕🥴😷 OR YOUR,CHILD, YOUR DOG ,OR YOUR FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER'S
Manipulated once,
Manipulated NEVER AGAIN
when you know better, you DO better!
Stay Strong!
Not always I fear. As Dr Ramani said one may need to experience it many times…. Remember co dependancy, trauma bonding etc. Never so simple for some.
@@kippykippyphoebe9203 exactly
I’m hopeful that now that my eyes are finally open and I know I have narcissistic mother; I’ll be extra aware in all relationships going forward.
I figured this out after my most recent failed relationship when I decided to go for therapy to do deep dives into why I’m plagued with this and also feeling high anxiety and massive self
Doubt. Therapy was the best decision I ever made for myself. I soon after found Dr. Ramani and it’s like a light switch went off in my life
If it feels like they don’t respect you, they don’t. If you’re wondering if they are taking advantage of you, they are. Recognize your confusion and uncertainty... that’s how they keep you hooked.
It just sucks that you can't talk to them :( there's no way to compromise or talk in a safe environment because they're always attacking you.
I have something to tell my Narc husband. It’s about his first love MONEY. However his rage is so bad and un predictable that it terrifies me. If I tell him I feel he will seriously hurt me or pay someone to.
There were times when my narc mom could have been nailed down for extreme, illegal, actions and calling her out would have worked some. BUT, oh the enablers. They are the problem just like her.
Wow...
Very true...my ex narc when he wanted cause a drama he will begin a discussion while I was seating or doing something, once he start talking and complain of something out of nowhere, won't let me talk, and if I try to talk and try to understand to explain guess what he did next?, scream at me with rage telling me don't talk and taking my arm, open the door and threw me out😞. I don't know why he did that making me feel devastated😪.
@@alicerosa6766 - Remember, it's not you, it's him. You don't need to ask why he did it. Use his behaviour as a barometer for what to avoid from others.
Narcissists prey on the lonely. That's their primary target. Your loneliness is like a juicy red steak to them. And it's why you will stick around them even when they've shown you their monster face.
Yep, they isolated and triangulate you too
😢well said….He love bombed me at my most vulnerable time. After my 18 yr marriage ended he found me
My jaw has been on the floor for four days now while watching Doctor Ramani's videos. I am just now realizing I've been emotionally abused for 10+ by a narcissist. An "acquaintance." Someone I considered a close friend. Nearly everything Doctor Ramani explains about a narcissist and their behavior has been done to me. And he is breadcrumbing right now since I have been absent for the last four days. I have not told him I know that he is a narcissist. I'm numb. I'm educating myself. Working up the strength to cut him out of my life. I'm definitely recognizing I've been trauma bonded to him for years.
You can do it! Stay strong, keep watching Dr. Ramani's videos!
It's messed up , when u learn
I used to chase my hubby for love wink wink , he 20yrs later gives when he chooses imagine being in bed and horny no one there ! Yet he hates cheating ???? Big question . I bet he cheated and didn't tell. He blames me won't go . No I gotta go ? He can't make it work I must go ? Hello
Watch the one video by Dr.R about how to never call them out bc they'll freak out & do whatever it takes to keep you locked in. Also be careful of all their minions… they will all come at you to draw you back into the net. I escaped once but was lured back in a couple years later by my emotions. They had talked me into giving up my goals and doing what they had in mind. I had recently lost my fiance due to an illness and I was weak, so I agreed. Been trapped now for 9 years and have become so unwell due to the constant unrelenting negative & discouraging remarks that it's scary. Just wish I could break free again. Once you break free, NEVER go back! They will NOT change. They are master manipulators. so be careful of being 'hoovered' back in by them.
My ex literally said “I’m going to do whatever I want to do regardless of you” to my face. I didn’t realize in that moment that was the REAL HIM. He only cared about himself and that was the reality of the situation.
Jamie Conway,You don't deserve to be with a narc 😈!
Yes, lately this what I'm hearing. Like right to my face "I want a woman I can completely control". I told him to go find "that woman". I'm still not out completely and it's making him angry that talk back...
@@ellanowakowska9107 fucking run
It's what they say behind closed doors that makes it so horrible. They're very careful not to say things around others, it's really very scary.
Mine too used to say he won't change for anyone in the world including me and if I ask him to do anything he will do exactly opposite.
My mother said to me once, “it’s too bad that you don’t know how to manipulate me.” I’m glad I never learned that. And I’m glad I got away.
so so sad , my mother was worse than yours and my husband over 32 years worse than my mother 🙄🙄🙄🤮🤮🤮💩💩💩
Flabbergastering to say the very least!
Jules FitMinute so are we ❤️
My mother said I had an anger problem when I came to her about my Fathers Narc Abuse. I am no contact with both.
@@nicoler3219 you don't know if your mom was worse than hers 🙄
My ex would always insist that I quit my job and stay home to work on my novel - I took it as him being extremely generous and encouraging because I did want to publish a book. But he never showed much interest in my writing at all. He never cared how far my book was coming, what my process was, etc. I realized later that he just wanted me home because me being at work was a threat to him - he couldn't control who I was with, who I talked to, etc. when I was at the office. And that's a nightmare for a narc. Luckily I didn't quit my job and cultivated supportive friendships there.
Oh wow now I know why he said if we'd marry, I should be at home taking care of kids! Never have i figured out it was his way of keeping me from people because it was a threat to him as narc.
I was told to stay home there was no need for me to work but when I I found out he was telling his children& my son , family members. I was lazy didn't want to work. While he was encouraging me to say home and do ministry with women. When I started ministry he was not please it was going so well. He told me it should have been him. Could we do it together. I found out that he had been sabotaging me for years with some of the women I mentored. Saying he was so concerned about me for years after our daughter died of cancer. He really insisted that I stay @ home. He used our dead daughter to make people think I was mentally unstable behind my back. I caught him talking about how hard it was for him to pay the bills but still telling me I did not have to work. A woman I mentored told me that he stated to her I had not gotten over the death of our daughter. When I decided to go back to school & work. He had no more control over me. I became the horrible wife that did not give him the attention he needed. I did not cook, I stayed put late but I was working; He played the neglected husband threat was verbally abused by me. Only when I caught him in lies with other women he had charmed.& manipulatied. I was label the paranoid and angry black woman. He played the victim with neighbors, his co workers, my family, his family and the church. He claimed he was a pastor, cheating, lying, provoking fights to get an angry reaction out of me.Then he would call family & tell them I'm acting out! Toxic family that helped him lie on me. He was very two faced & sneaky, gaslight. Telling me that what I was seeing with my own eyes was not true & what I heard him say wasn't what I heard! So I recorded him & played it back to him. That's when I was supposed to be paranoid. I left him finally realizing he had been playing a game for years with me...Jekyll & Hyde. He groomed me @17 yrs old & he was 32 yrs old my 2 yr old son was groomed as well he turned him & others against me. He is 38 now & defending him _ calls me crazy for standing up for myself.
My ex try that
Exactly, I had something like that experience, it was all about them. It is incredibly confusing.
@@dorasivels8201 wow so sorry for wha you are still going through … something like that is happening to me we are a Christian family and he plays the victim husband that I don’t submit to him as the Bible says …. Anyway I just wanted to tell you don’t give up on your son don’t try to explain to him somehow someway God will open his eyes and he will see what your ex ?is all about … keep praying God will come through for you I am praying for you 🙏 stay strong
Dr. Ramani is a gifted sage when it comes to nailing narcissists! As she infers, narcissists contrive and arrange it so that: "you do not know even who you are". This opens a Pandora's box of woe for the victim because then you have to rely on others for information regarding who you are and what is your self-worth. I wish there was a special way to punish narcissists, but then that would just feed the system and keep the cycle going. Oh, for the strength to just walk away, without resentments or ill wishes!
That's called......
Run, don't walk! 🏃
You will get the strength...I did..omg..it was tough scarey..crazy making...but I did it..13 yrs..with someone ..something???😈who looking back..clearly despised me..2 dead cats in 2 yrs...took my kat..to the tip when she died...i was begging him to take her little body to vets for cremation..no..i stood with£100 in my hand..i cdnt get there..then he slowly poisened our other one..yes i hate him..omg i do..but im free from him now..n sooooo grateful...n pity the nx poor woman he cons...called him an alien
.on facebook..that actually got rid of him??? Abusive letters n texts by the dozens..replied to none..blocked on all angles..I shiver when i think of him..longest engagement . Ever..had cbt n emdr therapy.waiting fir grief n trauma therapy..all goes back to childhood..mama dear was one..but loved animals..just not me..f em all...inhuman intentities...😈🤡🤖👺💩👾alone isnt lonely..its heaven😁😎🥰🐕🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳especially with my beautiful dobie girly❤cant move without her nx to me..shes a clingon..n i love her..n get that love back tenfold xxxkeep strong everyone ..big hugs n lotsa luv xxxx
@@annlonsdale9396 Sorry that you had to go through that with your pets, but glad to read that you have one you don't have to worry about that happening to anymore. TC
@@laevan2053 ..aw..thankyou..n yes..I can breathe properly these days...animals have no hidden agenda..apart from food love n kindness xx
Once we do the necessary work to heal, we come to the place where we can forgive. The true Empath will even feel sorry for the Narc. The lesson of Interdependence is the bridge to start the healing 💕
Yes. We were raised to provide supply. If I disagreed with anything they wouldn't even believe it! Or I would get threatened out of thinking anything that differs from their ideas.
Weird from all sides!
@@joseenoel8093 🤯 it is.
I remember you on another post. You were funny as hell....lol
@@ErikisOfficial lol
My favorite overt manipulation:
Narc: What do you think of this?
Me: gives clear and distinct opinion
Narc: gives completely opposite opinion then says "don't you think?"
The implication is that your opinion doesn't really matter and you will stay on the narcs good side if you agree with them. If you agree to keep the peace you have allowed yourself to be devalued. You have been manioulated into your own emotional demise.
I’m so glad I read this.
As a child of a narcissist I was conditioned to be a people pleaser and caretaker. As an adult these traits set me up to be taken advantage of. On the flip side - In my interactions with other people I now see how I would analyze them and use them to my own means. To be stuck in the middle of this internal conflict led me to addiction issues. As a child of a narcissist life is very confusing and it’s nearly impossible to overcome. It has been a difficult struggle to get to some sort of normalcy. It’s hard to know how to be “normal” when you don’t know what it is. When being normal is uncomfortable because it is so far from what you’ve experienced.
This is 100% relatable. All of it!!
same.
Omg somebody put into words what I have been through but couldn’t explain… thank you. I can’t believe there are other people who understand this! 🙏 And not to mention, because it’s familiar to you, unknowingly and unintentionally you end up or “attract a partner or spouse that’s also a narcissist or has narcissistic traits and the cycle continues but keep going, help is on the way 💙
# A Friend
We were not Created to be what "THE WORLD " calls NORMAL....IF YOU EXAMINE YOURSELF CLOSELY THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WANTING TO TREAT PEOPLE THE WE WOULD LIKE TO BE TREAT, UNDERSTAND IN OUR MIND WE THINK EVERYONE THINKS LIKE THIS ....THEN THERE IS A RUDE AWAKENING 😕 ....WHEN WE STOP TRYING TO BE WORLDY NORMAL A LOT OF WEIGHT GETS LIFTED OFF US... STAY BEING KIND - FORGIVING ...and now Let the FOCUS be continuing to do what's RIGHT ☺ @ GINUWIN PEOPLE
Same. Yes. There's an empty dark evil side of me I have to battle.
I had it when having kids. Him saying he would like to see me stay at home full time enjoy the years of the kids at until they start school. Not missing out on the milestones. But then years later saying im lazy never want to work. Nor will I ever work. I worked 6 days a week for years before having kids. An so many other manipulation things done. Never realised for 15 years until now I moved out leaving him. An see it all clearly the more time I have been gone. I see a change in my two daughters too. Trying to heal domestic violence as well.
Same, same and same.
Aha! He told me if we are going to get married I should stop working and should take care of the kids and mot go out. And to think I am a workaholic
Congrats on leaving 💖
@@nthabisengmorudu4463 yes they dont want you to have any means to possibly leave.. I couldnt work due to my anxiety and when I got a big amount of money from my parents he always asked me if I could chip in with bigger bills (and I did because I felt guilty for not working).. he would then say I would get the money back later.. well everytime I asked him for the money he would have some stupid excuse or say "why do you need your own money when its 'our' money to begin with".. now I finally left him and have almost no money left (and no job, house or housestuff, luckily I can crash at my parents house).. I dont think Ill ever get it back.. but at least Im free now..
When I reflect to the person I was before my experience with my ex narc and who I now am after years of no contact, I try to look at it as it was literally a training Boot Camp for the rest of my life. Granted it took a few years of therapy from CPTSD to get to where I'm at now, although my understanding of NPD and traits of other cluster-B disorders has now finally enriched my life at an older age from knowing what a true healthy relationship with another individual. I say Individual, because Us survivers are individuals and not Objects.
Lovely positive post..and omg..ditto..13 yrs of pure rollercoaster hell..n I thought ir was me?? He was the emotional twin of mommie dearest...I live with a doberman now...its heaven..bliss..oeaceful..erm mostly ha ha..cant believe looking back..how I survived it..him..whatever they are...one week of not reacting at all...whoosh..firing squad of abuse ..accusations..threats..stalking arson sacks...no contact..nrly 4 yrs..n he complete psychopath already served 13 yrs for murder..which he lied abt..i knew sweet f a about the creep i was engaged to...but didn't want to marry or live with him...something never felt right??.. .Life feels totally right now 🤩🌻🥀🐕🎵😊💝🌹🌺
I honestly thought the same thing. I completely understand how you feel. Knowledge is power!
@@MrsRad-dt2ok It is indeed..if we use it...take care of you..xxxx❤🥰✌🦋xx💐
I like that you call your experience with these narcissist parasites as training boot camp. I call mine as social experiments. I feel stronger and sharper each time 💪 They will never bring us down
I gotta agree with the part of "training Boot Camp" for the rest of one's life in order to survive in this rotten, evil and narcissistic world yet still part of me wishes everything I had with my female narc was just a bad dream and that she is my one and only sweetheart but reality doesn't work that way unfortunately!
The encounter with them comes of as a reminder in what kind of a world we live in and that we must not take anything for granted! The world is full of them and we got to train hard and prepare to not fail again as an easy prey to their dirty hands!
This series is such a contribution to humanity!
victoria pierscinski, Hope you are not with a narc 😈!!
Amen!!
It's terrible to treat people that way. I remember one person told me:
"pack my bags... I'm going on a guilt trip" That helped me overcome
all the whining crap I put up with and stand up for myself.
Well put...I'm gonna remember that.
haha..good one👍🏽😁
I dont understand it ;;
Great video. Manipulation can be subtle and hard to recognize especially with the covert types. I recently had a narc try to manipulate me by revealing very personal information about her marital problems in the hopes that I would reciprocate and share personal details about my marriage. We were just getting to know each other and her oversharing was awkward and out of the blue and I felt in my gut that I was being manipulated. I didn’t take the bait and she became visibly frustrated and discarded me. I’m so thankful for videos like this that help me sniff out the narcs in my life and GET RID of them.
Covert narcs are good at this. They share intimate details about their lives in Hopes that you will do the same. It is a trap so they can later use it against you when seeking revenge
Overt narcs are reluctant about revealing their flaws, because they want to portray a perfect image that is free of imperfections. Covert narcs do not
CLASSIC. They often overshare, and early on. First of all, it violates boundaries. Red flag! But it tricks you into feeling that there's a bond or trust between you two. And you'll feel comfortable to share equivalent details about your own personal life, which they'll save for a rainy day when they can use it against you.
The reason people stay in probably falls to the "sunk cost" fallacy ; people believe they've invested so much, they'll have completely failed theirselves and those who's opinion they value if they *don't* make it work
You just described me to a T. I kept telling myself "I've put in 16 years and so much effort to just give up". Thank you for replying. I needed to read that ❤
@@wendiewise8202 I know it can be frustrating. One major tip I can give you: I'm an avid fan of Gary Vaynerchuk. The man openly states that one of the biggest problems the Western world has is we put ourselves in debt to impress people we don't even like. Find what makes *you* happy; external gratification may serve you for a few minutes, but it will be fleeting, and no one will care 5 minutes later...then you're stuck with it.
That's so true
This is why it took so long for me to stand up to my ex. Thankfully he only took 6 years from me.
Sunk costs are irrelevant.
Thank you for this series I can't stop watching and learning. Narcissist are pure evil
Generally speaking most manipulators are good at figuring out what makes the other person tick, usually very charming and good at creating environments to mask their real intent which is simply getting what they want from other the person with little regard for that person's needs. Some of these people can be very deceptive and illusive to a degree where the person being had doesn't realize they've been taken advantaged of until the manipulator is long gone out of their life. Can think of it as them putting the carrot in front of the donkey in order to get the donkey to pull the wagon wherever they want him to and again with little regard for what is actually good for the donkey, when they get what they want it is bye bye donkey and on to next victim, pathetic, exploitative human behavior. Got to be careful out there that is for sure.
So well put. I can see one particular friend in your description, needless to say I ditched her when I became exasperated with her manipulative ways.
Like the Frankfurt School, Tavistock Institute, FaceBook, Google, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, our gooberments, etc.
Oh..spot on..they like supernarket scanning machines..cold. empty..but clever😈
Absutely spot on. Once you spot it..omg..my whole family are like this...n then there was .me..the one who nearly drank herself to death...coz I though I was some kind of weak useless piece of shit...now im 17 yes sober..but only realised..what the root problem was 4 yrs sgo....its not me..its them n my x..no contact for nrly 4 years..yay yay yay..its the only way..to win the game..you didnt even know you were playing...feel less lonely .alone..than with the wrong people...few close friends and my doberman..lifes now amazing..n free🙏💝🐕✌🥳🦋😂😂🎶🤞🎼xxxxx
This was my ex boss to a T!!
“Manipulation is used to play on your inner conflict,” because that’s a huge point of vulnerability. Thank you SO much for facilitating this epiphany for me. 😩
Absolutely! Very helpful
If it subverts my free will, then the behavior is manipulation, in my opinion. Great talk, thank you.
Words are used WITHOUT integrity and are dishonest. Words are used just to get a reaction out of me, to grade me with internal score card. I get scolded in front of kids often.
God... I remember those days... My hair was falling out.
It pays to watch these videos... for you to heal.
The X would scold me in front of mutual friends and strangers. I can't believe it took me as long as it did to speak up and stand up for myself and stick to my guns
@@casperinsight3524 hubby's mom went into long term care for many yrs, once driving by with our adult daughter they made fun of the premises because as it was an old nunnery in spite of her having received very good care and not being of that religion although my daughter and I are!
They've lived to regret it, several times.
Sending you strength
@@casperinsight3524 i feel you... My husband actually started a fight with me in front of his friends and then spit in my face....
Going through a break up with a narcissist, so much of my impulses were pushing me not to leave, mostly because she had made the narrative in a way that would have made me so guilty if I left.
But your videos have been like the therapy I needed to make the wisest choice, thanks so much Dr.Ramani. You've saved me so much time and anguish
OMG! Yes you got this on point! I was told I was the kindest person, the nicest person he’d ever met. Then the favour requests started rolling in & the transactional relationship began.
My Malignant Narcisist boss is so skillful as a linguist. She is so good at manipulate. She can even manipulate others Narcisist. This is extremely scary.
I hope you can get another job soon.
My ER doc told me, while in for anxiety attack from work, if i wanted to keep my job i would need to be medicated to deal with the bullying from my narc boss/management & hr. Powerful words
Yes! Better run away. Get another job. It won' t worth to get mental breakdown. I learn too late. That's why I have C-PTSD.
@@SolKiLittleSun unfortunately i had never experienced such narc bullying from management before and didn't realize i could never communicate enough to get it to stop. Apparently i did all the things that make a narc have worse behavior by my being sane and expecting them to be also. I'm on disability now trying to figure out how to put my life back together. Good luck to you too
I had a narcissistic manager that tore the team down every single week. It took forever to heal from there PTSD.
I want to hear “blame shifting”, please can you do that soon??
Yes! I would like to see this as well.
Yes!!!!!!!!!! I've done this over 40 years with this nut!!!! I am depleted for taking the blame for his emotions so he won't feel guilty. I'm tired of covering for him. I take the blame, just so he'll shut up and quit raging!!!
Blame shifting was the wildest one to experience imo. It’s so sneaky and even knowing it now I can still see myself being manipulated the same way if I’m not 100% on my game about watching out for it
well ,it´s your own fault if you missed it the first times blame shifting vids were uploaded...blah ...blah..-see that is how blameshifting works.
Another great video! I’ve been accused of manipulation when I’m only trying to defend my point. It’s so interesting though because my nmother has manipulated & guilt tripped me so much that I have trust issues with other people. She manipulated me to end friendships that she didn’t approve of and I’m now trying to rekindle those relationships
H D OMG YES! I remember a few years ago I’d had enough and told her you act like Ms goodie two shoes and she was NOT having it
Exactly like my mom 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Most people jump the gun now and say you’re manipulating them by offering a different point of view. 🙃 agree to disagree but you can also be heard without trying to change their mind
It pisses me off when I feel manipulated. Suffice to say, they don’t get what they’re after.
If they come to me openly and honestly they most likely will get what they ask.
Gaslighting is awful. When the narcissist denies a person their reality or their feelings, it is just so awful. It is so damaging to the victim/person being gaslighted. Thank you for this and all your video.
Every single manipulation tactic all but implies the use of the lying tactic and the gaslighting tactic. I actually dislike it a little calling out gaslighting as a manipulation tactic as it's actually an effect. All manipulation tactics will contribute to it by nature of what manipulation is. Some tactics however certainly take the gaslighting effect to a whole different level. Blatant lies that are so bad they insult your intelligence is one of them. That kind of shit will make you feel like you are in the twilight zone after a while. Here are some of the reasons they do this: To test their control. To feel superior and/or entertainment. This proves to themselves how much control they have over you. In the end, you will give up and you will not leave (trauma bonded). In the process of getting to the giving up stage, you will go through some pretty nasty emotional states ending in massive amounts of cognitive dissonance to swallow all of that. Cognitive dissonance is a trauma defense mechanism where you essentially lie to yourself in various ways so that you can bring back some semblance of equilibrium to the insanity you find yourself unable to escape from. As part of the ‘backing you into an emotional corner’ tactic. This is a tactic where you are manipulated into being emotionally unstable inevitably leading to you losing your shit. This gives the narcissist a big dopamine burst, they feel powerful and superior having so deftly controlled you and manipulated into this emotional state. To finish the little game they play, they make sure to point out how unhinged and unstable you are and suggest that perhaps you need help or medication. Of course, you will internalize all that shame and guilt and the million other raging emotions they have created and swallow all that essentially allowing them to scapegoat their blame and accountability onto you. Bring on some more cognitive dissonance and gaslighting effects.
To condition you to expect less respect, and ultimately put up with more abuse. You will tire of the inevitable circular argument trying to convince the narcissist of the blatantly obvious lie and eventually find yourself challenging them less and less as you subconsciously accept the fact that if you do it will just make your life and emotional state more miserable and you will be denied the satisfaction of any kind of ‘win’ even if it is easy to disprove. This is part of the domination process and makes sure all the power in the relationship ends up with them by the end. To turn your mind to mush as the gaslighting effect takes hold more and more over time. This makes you even easier to control.
Many times while easy to disprove it requires some kind of concession of some obvious truth that the narcissist can just doggedly refuse to agree with or remember (‘the intentional forgetting’ tactic and the ‘feigned confusion or ignorance’ tactics are often employed for this). So, in fact, it is not so easy to prove when the narcissist refuses to correctly remember what happened 10 min ago or accept sound logic or reasoning. You will just turn blue in the face trying. Of course, in some cases it is indisputable. A phone log or something. My experience is when this kind of stuff happens it wasn’t their intention typically, although sometimes it was. But in these scenarios, you will typically get some sort of angry ‘invalidating’ tactic, with some good old ‘manufactured rage’ and ‘intimidation’ tactics to ‘put you on the defensive’ and get you more susceptible to further manipulation. Maybe something like: “Get over yourself already” followed up by some ‘blame-shifting’ tactics with some good old ‘guilt’ and ‘shame’ tactics, like “Why the hell are you spying on my phone records anyway? What kind of relationship is this? I don’t have any privacy? I don’t know if I can do this anymore! You have major jealousy issues! You need help!” You will walk away as the loser either way. There are resistance tactics that can be used but this is a very difficult tactic to deal with and it is one of their favorites. I won’t get into the counter-tactics here though. The only way to really win in a relationship with a narcissist is to leave them and go no contact. Moreover, Catching a cheating spouse might be difficult, and knowing what local laws say you can and cannot do might be even more difficult. To simplify the process, consider hiring a private investigator to do the sleuthing for you I genuinely appreciate how incredible you are and your work! Thank you for a job well done Metaspyhub@gmail. com,,
1000% my experience with a group of people.
Lord have mercy! ... these people writing books in the comments. Sometimes I wonder who the true narcissists are in these comments. Especially the ones who take pride in being "empaths" as if that label makes them morally
superior
You are totally correct, Dr. Ramani. The manipulation and guilt kept me stuck in a relationship with someone I resent so deeply it makes me angry at myself for staying for so long.
A person can be the most healthy self esteemed individual and still be manipulated by the periods. They are really really good at what they do
"I did everything for YOU in this relationship, you did nothing! You're just like my mother- doing nothing except looking out for yourself" He cooked a meal once a day for the two of us and worked. I also worked full-time, cleaned our entire place (because he thought it was fine to leave a mess everywhere he went, after all he didn't clean) until I made him clean up his messes in the kitchen. Was that ever an issue. My ex-husband sure knows how to gaslight and manipulate me using exactly what you said- guilt. Thank you again for another clarifying video to help me process the shit-storm I left only a year ago.
Your first sentence, that’s their favorite line.
There are no words to express how much weight you have helped me lift from my shoulders. It sometimes feels like the whole world is against you and I am overreacting and should just "man up" because they're my parents. But no relationship should be more important than my mental health. Thank you for helping me see that
This video is BEYOND insightful...Respect Dr. Ramani, "you a real one."
I had my spiritual awakening and growth last year. Since then, I'm improving myself a lot in many ways. I have owned up my toxic traits, changed passive aggressiveness to assertive behaviour, setting boundaries, addressing my childhood trauma, taking steps to be kind with my words to myself and others, overcoming insecurities and also rekindled a broken friendship by owning up everything that I did. In all that I realised my family system is dysfunctional, my father is a narcissist and used finances to control me for long time. I've dealt with n number of abuses and believed I deserve such poor treatment always in other relationships as well. Now I see the cycle that's repeating with my partner. He is a covert and neglectful narcissist. Abuse is very subtle sometimes and other times too much to bear. Every month there is atleast one or two rageful episodes. Never appreciates me or shows gratitude for anything. Looks at me like a convenience. Always criticises me and says its for your good and there's a reason. Shames and mocks me. It's hurting me so much. My Social Anxiety Disorder is getting worse. Today he called me a bloody looser for getting rejected from interviews and depending on him for finances. All because I pointed out his Narcissistic traits and called him out a Narcissist. Twisting my words and realities. Gaslighting. No empathy. Using all the information that's out there on narcissism to describe me instead. I have no familial support as I went no contact with my father and no friends and I'm dependant on him currently for finances as we're on temporary visa that's going to expire soon.
I hope you are better 😘 take care of yourself 😘❤️
My narcissistic dad was a compulsive liar, so from an early age I have been able to tell instantly when people are lying to me or trying to manipulate me. That's the only thing I would ever thank him for.
Self work, self work, self work - learn healthy boundaries and do the changes that heal your inner child wounds and weaknesses - this heals your NO to free up your honest YES
Carol Van Staden,Hope you are not with a narcissist…
"You can start learning the SUPERPOWER of avoiding manipulation... with compassion and with grace". These informative sessions saved my- life listening to and following instructions from Dr. Ramani. Now, I need to rehab my life. I almost committed suicide due to my 'failure' at relationships and the ensuing emotional dis-regulation.
living with my narcissistic grandmother has made me constantly scan my interactions with people to make sure im not displaying the narcissistic traits i grew up seeing so often. its a blessing and a curse because i know im being conscious of how im treating people but im also doing it as sort of a PTSD response. its tough. but thank you so much for this video. its like you're a fly on the wall in my house lol
Thank you so much for explaining this confusing part of narcissistic relationship. I could never get it because this was my ‘normal’ in upbringing. You were so spot on with how I feel. You have made such sense and given me clarity. Thank you.
I have finally BROKEN this cycle of abuse! I don't let ANYONE get away with anything anymore. If I feel uncomfortable at all with anyone new, and I let them know and they don't act like a healthy, balanced, GROWN UP? NEXT! This ESP regards LOVE BOMBING, I now hate it when people get too gushy too soon. This goes for ANY new men, women, whether they be friends, and or potential candidates for mi corazon. (my heart)
Yes!! You finally get so fed up with this kind of bullshit behavior you refuse to tolerate it another day! I literally told 85% of the people in my life (including most of my family ) I was DONE and cut em off cold. It wasn't easy but it's the BEST thing I ever did! My only regret is not doing it sooner
I love listening to your descriptions and explanations. I was the codependant for years until I grew and learned. Now I am simply in a marriage with a narcissist trying to not be resentful for the children.
Excellent video! I told my narcs that I had issues with mental health and that their guilt-tripping was affecting me negatively, and to please respect that, but they just doubled down on their tactics. It sucked but I'm so glad they did because it made me realize their true colors! They actually saw my poor mental state as an opportunity to control me. Glad to have these videos (along with my own therapist) to help me. Huge thanks to Dr. Ramani! I still have a hard time with guilt but videos like this make me feel so much better about my choices.
In line with this is sexual manipulation and sexual abuse.
I didnt know that. It explains why he was so rough
I can't wrap my brain around the backwards sex life....if you want to call it that. If we felt distant I wouldn't want it ....and feeling distant was often of course. Romancing ended pretty much on the wedding day. Foreplay was effort , so fairly rare, and half-hearted so it meant little. Got to the point that sex is so rare, I lap up any attention like a puppy. Who needs foreplay when you have a wife who you've got trained to be desperate? Except mornings. He knows better than to try that.
Sadomasochism comes into play but Dr Ramani does not focus on abnormal psychology traits. Its very dark. Narcissism is also dark and that is her focus.
@@robb4cubs I’ve been going through this for four years and it really fucks with me. Then I have the doubts. Why is sex being withheld? Cheating, disinterested? 😓 Paranoia sets in, I ask questions, we argue and just keep my mouth shut until it feels like I could pop again. Can’t say for sure if he’s a narc but that could just be my programming speaking.
Thank you. I’m watching every video I can to learn and heal. My husband had an affair and evicted me and our son in July. My father was a narcissist and of course I married one as well. 12 years of unwinding lies and healing from abuse seems daunting. I really don’t know what to do with myself, I’m a wreck. But I’m so thankful for your help ❤️🙏
The way you talk is captivating. Sometimes manipulators are opportunists and seize moments when someone is sick and down with an illness who doesn't have the strength to resist. They know they are being manipulated but can't put up as much opposition as they'd like to. Or they are literally, physically restrained or lured into a locked room where they physically can't get out.
@Black Weirdo Well, thank you for giving it a name. Was this well understood 30 years ago? Or not so, I wonder.
The kick em when they're down c ompulsion. Very familiar.
@Black Weirdo I'm sorry to hear that. Obviously you managed to free yourself. That is wonderful. How does the "disorganised" part manifest?
OMG! I knew she was going to say the narcissist is collecting data!! Before I started learning about narcissism, I noticed a lot of these traits in someone I called a friend. When they first befriended me, we would stay up for hours talking. Of course, over time I confided in them about so many things because I thought we had become such close friends. They were my person. Now, years later, I realized what was happening. It's taken a long time to break free of that friendship because so much was invested and our lives were intertwined in another way as well. I say it doesn''t even have to be a spouse, fiancee, or someone your dating. This holds true in friendships too, unfortunately.
Wow. This episode was amazing. I see that I DO need to work on Radical Acceptance. I have struggled with the Narcissist ( mom ) for decades...until she passed, and then my sister picked up where mom left off. I was hoping , finally, I could have a healthy relationship with my only sibling. But, its not going to happen. I think the sadness about that is what kept me trying .
My parents weren’t narcissistic but my only sibling certainly was! To experience & even more ,if possible, to watch the havoc & damage wrought horrified me even as a tiny child. My beautiful parents are long gone now & I have no contact with her. But the grief & regret of never being able to trust & be close to the only sibling runs very deep. I hear you, I see you❤️
Allow yourself to grieve fully and take that time before you go for radical acceptance . Don’t try too early and then beat yourself up for failing.
When me and my ex had arguments he always said that I would never admit when I was wrong, and that I thought the world revolved around me, when he was the one doing things to cause the arguments, I know now he was projecting
Yes if the person is not aware they are manipulating it still is considered manipulation because the intention or the lack of awareness does not change the action. Intention doesn't change the nature of the deed. I know many people who are manipulative on default because of the environment they come from. Particularly urban areas in the U.S they call it finessing in the streets. It is a way of life and many times they are not conscious of it because it is survival and instinctual for them. I remember calling my brother out on his way of speaking to me and how he presented his argument or case to me was manipulative and he said he was unaware he was doing that. He is surrounded by people in a world where that is the language and behaviour. Sadly.
💯 facts!
God Bless Dr Ramani! Helping me to heal from so much deep rooted trauma 💓
Thank you, Dr Ramani, excellent tape. I’m growing into my healthy ‘no’s’ against the narcissist’s manipulative ploys.I’m also recognizing the traits in me that set me up to be manipulated . Examples, People pleasing, obligation,shame etc
I was raised by two narcissists, mum grandiose communal and dad covert malignant. I didn't understand fully why my psychologists sat there with mouth wide open until today... 💜SO HEALING, Dr Ramani 🙏🙏🙏 INFINITE GRATITUDE 🙏🙏🙏 from Belgium
Strategies against manipulation 24.17 :
- realistic expectations
- radical acceptance
- not engaging / not explaining
- setting boundaries
- deep dive into yourself, learning youself
From @21:36 to 21:42 makes me feel like I have won the lottery. The doctor's proclamation is 100% spot on and critical to understanding and accepting why it was essential to cut the narcissist out of my life forever. I don't want or deserve to receive/endure this type abhorrent and malignant behavior. I get it.
My narcissist ex husband always accuses me of being manipulative. Gas lighting. I think. I’m still learning about these behaviors. I am so so grateful for you blessing us with these mind blowing teachings for me and all the other victims. ( Don’t worry, I’m not in victim mentality, but you can’t deny the truth of your place in the situation.) Much love to this amazing and wise and kind community 🙏🏼
Bless you 💗
this is the best insight I have ever heard about why do they manipulate. They don't know how to achieve what they want through communication, they don't respect the other person at all, they just want to manipulate the other person like a puppet.
Yes,you're right on,of course,it's good to validate.❤✌
Compliments to me mixed with disparaging remarks about his exes.....felt like he was training me to not be like them.
I know exactly what you mean! My narc painted his ex as a psychopath who was depressed, lazy, combative, and didn't want sex... and he'd compliment me for not being that way. So I tried my hardest to not be like her. Fast forward 5 years and guess what? I've become exactly like he described his ex - depressed, not working toward anything, passionless, not interested in sex... Turns out he manipulated both of us into that state of being. I feel bad for his ex now.
@@TheViewfromMars I feel sorry for my husband's ex as well. Now I know why she will have nothing to do with him even 21 years after their divorce.
That's called triangulation. Dr Ramani has videos on it. Comparison with other people so you conform and compete
@@TheViewfromMars this happened to me. So scary.
Oh wow I never noticed mine did that too 🤦🏻♀️
Thank you for what your doing:)
“Narcissists do not respect boundaries”. This is one of the areas where I went wrong in my relationship with my narc ex-bf. I thought if I stayed strong and consistent in setting boundaries with him, he would respect them. But that never happened, he just came up with more ways to undermine, dissolve and plow through the boundaries. Dr. Ramani’s analogy of the scuba diver whose air supply has been cut off makes a lot of sense here- if a person truly feels that way, they don’t care what boundaries they have to smash to get their supply back. But they are going to abuse, gaslight and manipulate you in the process and feel completely entitled to do it.
How many times am I going to fall for this stuff! Childhood, parents, aunts, uncles, spouse,fake friends, now someone that I thought cared for me and this time worse than my mother! How many times am I going to put myself through all this before I learn… Feel so ashamed!
Stuck in a 15 year marriage and have been cheated on, been manipulated, gas lighted and living with my narcissistic husband who this is he's always right . Problem is, I am manipulatable :( I care too much.
Been working SO hard to unlearn the manipulation patterns I learned in childhood. For so long I didn't realize there was another way of being in relationship.
This manipulation is what introduced into the world of narcissistic abuse and recovery. Thank God I am recovering now. Thank you Dr.Ramani.
OMG have you met him? Almost word for word!!! “ you are the nicest person I’ve ever met!” And “ You are so clever & so skilled” Then ..... “can you do me a favour......”
For me, one who has experienced so many narcissists and the requisite abuse, your regular reminders 'these are damaged human beings' 'irreparable as in you can't fix them' are very calming. As one who once practiced religion and believed in it's teachings these truths, pulled from science, bring reality into true focus. I say this because religion teaches magical thinking as real, though there is much of 'what is real' that is still in question. It is real and true that these monsters (some are that) are in fact human's and not evil or soulless or some other imaginary construct. This gives the effort to heal and grow new meaning. Thank you for that.
Thank you so much for the attention to detail and clarity in your explanation. As someone on the autistic spectrum, it is at times difficult to put emotions and thoughts into words, and these longer videos that focus on specific terminology are really helpful. The examples that you bring up hits very close to home, and if it wasn't for hearing it in the context of understanding narcissism, I would fall for it every time, as I have previously. I am not sure what I would do without your work, it has been a real life-saver.
Me being autistic is my weakness for my husband to shut me up in a conversation or to " prove" that Im the one who is wrong. Such as you know you are lacking....you know you have trouble reading people.....who is the one in this family struggling with responsibilities.........list goes on
What an excellent explanation of manipulation. It brought so much clarity in what the narcissist did throughout the relationship. I ended up watching this video a few times over to make sure I didn’t miss any detail. I learned so much. Thank you Dr Ramani! 🙏👍🏻
Dr Ramani is great! I will say personally that this manipulation I allowed due to my own issues. When you learn about NPD you will go down a path of healing that will turn you inside out. The journey inward is the journey home to the heart. Don't dwell long on the negative...learn from the burn then relearn how to live without this degenerative essence in your midst.
These videos are gold. I thought I knew enough on this subject, but watching these videos and maintaining therapy has shown me that I still had blind spots.
The manipulation game is such a BIG subject, we really need to raise awareness of this often subtle behaviour.
It takes two to tango. I used to blame the manipulator, but I didn’t get manipulator-immune until I really got to know myself and own up my decisions without trying to people-please all the time.
@19:31
"...so all we can do, is look for patterns!"
*If someone steps on your foot, even if it's not intentional, you have to let them know it hurt!
If they acknowledge what they've done and apologize, that's the most you can expect, but if they "continue" to step on your foot, it's intentional!
Yes, you do create CLARITY! Thank you! You are great!
Dr Ramini, please address sibling narcissism and eldercare. We cannot walk away from family the we can from frenemies, jobs and spouses. The eldercare guilt trip, financial issues, etc. So much manipulation and taboos! Thanks.
THANK YOU...i needed this SO MUCH. I have a friend who has learned this from a manipulative parent...how her mom treats her is how she treats me. i started noticing this when her mom would accompany places
Never manipulation was explained so clearly to me, and I didn't even finish the whole video yet. Need to digest what I heard (and lived) so far. All my thanks to you, @doctorramani, for your profound expertise and clearness on these matters.
Barbara Mertens,You look stunning,hope you are not with a narcissist....
@@jamesarmstrong4179 I was victim of sexual harassment by a narcissist. This video was so revealing to me...
Every word of yours is gold! With tears running down my cheeks, I've transcribed the entire vid into my journal as a reminder to myself to read over and over again. Thank you so much Dr. Ramani!
Thank you for all of my answers for the last 30 years . I now have a definition of this monster that I am married to.
Everyone manipulates.
I have strong narcissistic tendencies but after years of therapy and being in a horrific relationship with a/nother narcissist (!) I am more aware of the times I manipulate or people that try to manipulate me.
There is alarm system that is now in place and it helps me to monitor my own „level of narcissism“.
I can‘t stop manipulating completely cause everyone does manipulate) but I can make sure I don‘t hurt people that I love
...and that are close to me.
Fi Rouz Very proud of you! Stay empowered. God bless!
@Black Weirdo interesting point that is overlooked
I often generalize “narcs” together but I am becoming more mindful that “narcissistic” as a trait is a spectrum and everyone falls on it somewhere. Reigning it in is the difference between a healthy and disordered personality.
Your comment is awesome! I have a narc parent too and I try to “manipulate” ;) the narc traits she gave me to have better self esteem
@Black Weirdo omg, i did too.... Thank you for that clarificatuin because after 25 years of hell, i thought it was ME....
@@MegJuniper Right, there is healthy and unhealthy narcissism. When narcissism gets out of hand and affects the lives of others, it's problematic. If it stays with the individual, it shouldn't be a problem for others. Having confidence, is a form of health narcissism
I love listening to Dr Ramini as her voice is so pleasing and calming to listen to🥰
DEEP THANKS FOR YOUR WORK, DR. RAMANI. YOUR MINDFUL WISDOM ILLUMINATES EVERY CELL FOR SUPPORTING MINDFUL CHANGE..
Thinking about the person actually studying you is so chilling and creepy. Choosing resentment over guilt is something I completely relate too
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It's so damn subtle in the beginning. You mistake it go caring/interest. Looking back I am horrified that I didn't see it for what it was. The lies, cheating, love bombing, future faking. It takes a lot to forgive yourself for loving someone and wanting something "real."
Can you name some of the things they say,so we can better understand and aboid them
@@eliaol4231 they say all their ex's were crazy, bipolar...get this, they'll say their ex is a narcissist, that their ex cheated on them when in fact, it was they who cheated on all of their ex's. They'll tell you how it's over with their ex's but check their phone. You'll find they're reaching out to their ex's, their searching for them on the internet. It's disgusting
@@tryingtosurvive4386 thank u💛💛
@@eliaol4231 then one day you'll be the "crazy ex" he complains to his next victim about. And he'll online stalk you if you don't block him, but he'll drive by your house 4 or more times a day, and at night, pound on your door, send you letters in the US mail and use his flying monkeys to try to lure you back in.
@@tryingtosurvive4386 i am so sorry you had to go through this. Sending you all my love!
My ex would proudly tell me that he had his own special way of influencing people to do what he wanted. LOL
Patricia Thralls,You are absolutely gorgeous 🌹🌹🌷🌹🌹🌷,you don't deserve a narc 😈 in your life!!
Patricia Thralls,You look stunning dear
Mine too. She literally was like “I’m a really good liar”
Tbh they will never cease to shock me
Their manipulation skills are so good I wonder if they train at home or if it's naturally in them
My ex was also the best at making you confused, he would never answer clearly, and everything he said could have more meanings and honestly, it was so frustrating to talk to him... but I was also pretty impressed by that skill
My teenage son is definitely studying at home ☹️
I can never talk about anything with my ask ex. Because if it was about a past happiness, he cant dare listen because it was not him who was in the picture with me that time. Also, when I want to go to social gatherings, I cant. If he is not with me. And then when I reason out why he cant let me and why I cant even make him trust me it's because he wanted to protect me from the horrors of my past! Uggghhh i never knew I was a victim until we broke up few days ago
@CandyDFighter. They are trained by their narcissistic mother and then it comes to them naturally. They manipulate you to upkeep their life of grandiosity. They are very articulate in their trade to get their things done. They see our vulnerabilities, when we don't set our boundaries.
And then they get mad at you if you ask them to clarify themselves. Exhausting.