ASEAN’s New Normal: The Future is Multipolar - Bilahari Kausikan | Endgame #21
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- Singapore's former senior diplomat talks about the new realities Southeast Asia has to face and how the forgotten Indonesian adage of 'national resilience enhances regional resilience (vice versa)' now rings truer than ever.
Mr. Bilahari Kausikan is the Chairman of the Middle East Institute, National University of Singapore. Mr. Kausikan was Permanent Secretary of Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs from 2010 to 2013. He was subsequently Ambassador-at-Large until May 2018. His earlier appointments at the Ministry include Deputy Secretary for South-east Asia, Permanent Representative to the United Nations in New York, and Ambassador to the Russian Federation.
This episode was recorded on November 6th, 2020.
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"..few things are wholly good or wholly bad and leadership begins at home."
- Bilahari Kausikan
*Apologies for the poor audio/picture quality due to unforeseen technical difficulties.
Mohon maaf atas kualitas audio/gambar yang kurang optimal di episode ini dikarenakan kendala teknis.
Poor audio/picture... No matter
My poor english.... It does
Very true to build strong nation, pak #gitawirjawan
An eye opener with wide perspectives especially for South East Asians
Leadership begins at home, for me, it's started from ourself.
No problom sir...
Pertama Kali, saya tahu Pak Gita disaat Tatap Mata Trans7 tahun 2014. Pak Gita yg terhormat, tolong berikan Kepada kami (kaula muda/kaum milenial) 10 referensi buku terbaik Bahasa Inggris Dan Bahasa Indonesia yg menginspirasi versi Pak Gita. #SekedarSaran #Review #BedahBuku #Literasi #Terimakasih
permintaan yg sangat berkualitas... semoga pak gita segera kasih books reference-nya bro 👍👍👍
Ditunggu gaes
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Pak Gita sering post buku2 yang dia baca di Twitter atau IG :)
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Thank you Gita for bring Mr. Bilahari onto the show. This was an interview I did not think I would ever get to see.
Thanks for proving me wrong. Throughly enjoyed all 1 hour 35 min of it.
Pak Gita. Saya tak pernah absen menonton podcast bapak. Bahkan, kadang sampai berulang-ulang untuk menonton konten yang sama. Sangat menginspirasi. Saya menjadi banyak belajar dan termotivasi untuk terus bergerak maju. Oya pak, saya terenyuh ketika beberapa kali bapak bercerita tentang kondisi para penulis di Indonesia dan luar negeri. Perbedaannya sangat memprihatinkan, bagai langit dan bumi. Saya saat ini sedang menyelesaikan novel politik yang saya beri judul republik indosina. Saya butuh support agar proses riset dan penyelesaian buku ini bisa secepatnya terwujud. Apakah pak Gita punya akses untuk kami para penulis, agar bisa memeroleh support dalam menyelesaikan sebuah buku...saya sangat bahagia dan terbantu kalau ada pak. Trims pak Gita, the next Mr President.
By Awin Jambi
Thanks Mr Gita, My English is improving because of your channel
Ketika melihat endgame serasa jadi org pinter ....👍
okay i missed my electrical engineering lectures because of this, but in return i got a more fascinating lecture from you. impressive! keep doing it Mr. Gita! thank you for serving this! couldn't wait for more
Truly an exceptional interview - a conversation, really, between two talented balanced confident personas. I have seen many programs featuring Bilahari Kausikan. This was the best.
Channel ini selalu saya tunggu. Undang terus narsum² yg berbobot dan jarang ditemui di channel lain. Maju terus oak Gita👍🏽
Being 21th commentator that enjoying this channel from a ship in freeport bahamas... Terimakasih Pak Gita untuk channel yang sangat mendidik
Beautiful conversation and thank you so much for sharing Pak Gita.
"choose hard power." what a Machiavellian, but i like it.
Terima kasih pak Gita 💙💙💙
thanks a lot pak gita buat konten edukasinya bagi kami anak muda. teruslah memberikan konten edukasi supaya anak muda tau apa yg harus dilakukan untuk kebaikan masa depan bangsa.
serasa dengerin listening toefl, cari ilmu sekalian latihan english, makasih banyak pak Gita
Ini keunikan channel pak Gita.... bisa menghadirkan pembicara kelas dunia.
Interview nya Bagus . Bapak Gita. Terima Kasih Banyak.
Aku dari India😊
Thank you for inviting Singaporeans onto your wonderful show. More expert opinions on the US-China relations please.
Thanks for tuning in.. Go check out my conversations with University of Michigan professor Yuen Yuen Ang: ruclips.net/video/RO4xRHZMm8A/видео.html
The books as the background were awesome
Your podcast always filled with information and awesome guests, enjoyed it sir, saya selalu menikmati setiap video karena sangat mendidik
I love pak gita since jaman dy menjabat di bkpm. Keren bgt nih orang aduh. Istri pak gita jg keren klo nda salah direktur xl provider.
Kamu juga keren mba😀
Sehat selalu pak gita..
Why Nations Fail, Sebuah buku yg ditampilkan di video ini seperti sebuah 'subliminal messages' bagi para pemangku kebijakan negara saat ini. nice Pak Gita. Thanks
I loved discussed about "Islam Nusantara" 42:00 We are Indonesia not arabic or the gulf countries, we stand for what we call Islam Nusantara is very tolerant and moderate to everyone.
1:09:45 welcoming and comforting to global talents, any singaporean can see this, most indonesians couldnt see this !!!
mantap
*Balance of Power,* mudah²an pemimpin kita masih punya kesadaran kondisi itu wajib ketika mereka mengucapkan kalimat "Indonesia terletak diantara 2 benua dan 2 samudera".
Hi Mr. Gita.. your channel is inspiration for aseans like me.. i really looking forward if you can have interview with Dr. Mahathir Mohamad from Malaysia..
Pak, kalau boleh saya request berbincang dengan prof rhenald mungkin bisa bahas disrupsi dan umkm.. 🙏 terima kasih podcastnya mencerahkann
Saya membayangkan bila Pak Gita suatu saat bisa menghadirkan tokoh2 besar dunia, peraih nobel, langsung ke Indonesia. Tinggal sponsornya saja. Tentunya lebih seru !
He can afford to sponsor them himself.
thanks Mr GW for this
Normalization with Israel would be good. They have technologies that we need (farming, water shortage, etc). BUT not before Palestine gets their country back.... although Mr Bilahari is correct here, the ruling powers of Palestine don't want to give up power.
Nice one
One country two systems are not very bad you know, but unfortunately that is not gonna happen.
that's the dilemma for indonesia, but if the country stick to this point forever there will be no progress. indonesian police, BIN, army etc already used a lot of israeli technologies though. in other words, something needs to be done whatever it is, rather than walking on the same spot for decades.
Selalu berkualitas
Senang sekali pak gita
Bahas multipolar lagi dong pak Gita. tks.
Nonton ini, INT +100
Lovee pak gitaaa❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Pak Gita, ajak diskusi topik yg sama ke scholar2 dr Indonesia jg dong. Pengen tau bgmn pandangan mereka trg regional dan global geopolitik.
Siapa 'ahli hubungan Internasional' yang ada di pikiran mu dan ingin kamu dengar berbagi ide dgn pak gita?
21:20 There was no Chinese colony in Java. I believe what Mr. Kausikan meant was the Lanfang Republic that existed in Kalimantan.
Mantap pa gita, request undang pa luhut b p,
Congratulation. Calon pemimpin swf indonesia.
pak keren videonya pak.... tolong dibanyakin pak sumber dari luar negri pak... sukses selalu pak gita...
pak gita angkat cerita tentang buku jakarta method dong .
Semangat pak
Wish admin can put english subtitle due to many unclear part. Cannot rely on auto-generate subtitle to do, not 100% precise and suitable.
Very happy to listen to this. Wish everyone is well and safe. 😊 tqvm endgame
Buku saat ini yang menghadap ke kamera " why nation fail? "
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Sir I know you are an important person in Singapore but please 🙏 upgrade your camera 🙏
Undang fisikawan atau yuval noah hararri !!!
United Islands of Indonesia! Or United Nusas of Nusantara!!
Enaknya penonton pak gita punya sebutan apa ya??😅👉👈
We love you pak Gita
To sum up with this Malay saying.."kacang lupakan kulit" whether a green bean, red bean, yellow bean or black bean that require water for germination into a young sapling.
Bilahari Kausikan is now one of my favorite people 😊
Mau saran sedikit Pak, mungkin bisa dikasih pembagian segmen di time pointernya. Misal 0:00 sampai menit 1:22 adalah intro, lalu 1:23 - 5:27 adalah childhood/background dst.
Yang saya maksud contohnya seperti di video ini, progress pembuatannya dibagi2 menjadi beberapa segmen ruclips.net/video/3NRriVUjErM/видео.html
Jadi misalnya kalau pagi cuma punya waktu 30-40 menitan bisa lihat sesuai segmen yang lebih menarik (bagi masing2 viewer), lalu nanti malamnya baru lanjut lihat segmen2 sisanya.
I think he did that already in other videos.
@@nonttwentyone2418 Barusan cek semua video di season 2, yg udah ada pembagian segmennya baru 3 dari total 9 video, yaitu episode Mr. Kishore, Helmy Yahya, dan Iman Usman.
I'd like to keep myself pessimistic in order to not make my expectation going too high. That being said, unfortunately with what seems to be lack of good PR from our gov, which I assume won't be fixed at least until this Presidency is changed, there's little possibility that the gov could initiate a new nation's will/pledge to move us forward together. "Indonesia Maju" so far is just a slogan, Afaik not enough national & political figures that has been invited to discuss the details together in a comprehensive forum (cmiiw). Not to mention the long socialization process into all the Indonesian ppl... Just like what Mr. Kishore said in another Endgame eps, our political figures must escape from the 5 years cycle mindset. We need them to study the other ASEAN nations, and then make that kind of national initiative, in order to move us forward closer into S'pore & Chinese meritocracy... To match those honorable Confucianism-based principle, using our own national ideology. The "Indonesia Maju" initiative could have been used to do that after Jokowi was elected the 2nd time... Nevertheless, I'd keep this in mind for now. I hope the momentum will soon be come. Big credits to Pak Gita and crew for once more providing a brilliant content to us
undang Yuval Noah harari please 🙏
Pak gita next undang bong chandra
I VOTE MR. GITA FOR DEWAN DIREKTUR SWF
Mr. English Captioner kinda dropped the ball on this one though. Mainly from the signal lagging, but not too seldomly due to the Singlish. Which is a shame...
And since the chapter sectioner seem to be on vacation, I'll fill in for him!
5:26 About the US 2020 Elections Result
13:06 About US' Hard Power with Biden
17:08 About China's Assertion and Aggressiveness
19:04 About the International Uneasiness towards China
23:32 About China Recalibrating their International Political Stance
25:36 About China & US Impact to SEA
31:34 About Panic and the Multipolarity
34:48 About the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea Dispute
38:23 About the Multiparty System, Long-term planning, and the Regional Mindset
45:18 About How ASEAN Deals With The World
47:32 About The Middle Easts (Asia Minor, North Africa, and The Gulf) and Their Impact to the world
58:26 About The Effects of the Middle East Diplomatic Normalization on SEA
1:01:10 About Cultivating "Multicultural Meritocracy" in SEA a la Singapore
1:06:49 About the Connection Between a Meritocracy's Productivity and the Attraction of Capital
1:12:07 About ASEAN Criticism (classic Kausikan subject hahaha. Also discusses the Indonesian Omnibus Law)
1:20:39 About ASEAN in 2045. What will it become?
1:25:29 About Climate Problem and How Nations Approach It
1:32:00 A single ASEAN currency??? (trick question)
The timestamps above are mainly based on the segmenting by Mr. Gita's questions. But Mr. Bilahari answered through so many point of views I'll end up spending a day just trying to sum up each points as the title to the timestamps... This guy is a blast to listen to!
I think this conversation is worthy enough to be reshot after the pandemic is over, or after we got a better internet provider. Because, Mr. Bilahari (I think I remember him saying he's no professor hahaha) didn't just recite his mantra about ASEAN again like in his previous speeches/lectures!
I also definitely would like to know what he meant with "Ditto" as heard in 1:28:09, 1:30:12, & 1:33:33. A singaporean friend told me it means "same".
But more than anything else, can someone remind me who said that quote about National-Regional Resilience because I can kinda remember it from the back of my mind that it was once teached in Junior Highschool. Because I can't find it with google searches!
Ditto means "idem"...if you don't know idem, that means I'm old.
Ditto means "idem"...if you don't know idem, that means I'm old.
@@ETS186 Well shit... I'm old
"can someone remind me who said that quote about National-Regional Resilience"
mochtar kusumaatmadja, reference: ASEAN's Diplomatic and Security Culture: Origins, Development and Prospects Oleh Jurgen Haacke
Seandainya ada translate Indonesia nya, pasti jd lbh keren pak Gita..
Ada mas pake subtitle
next Tommy Koh sabi nih pak
atau mungkin pak Marty atau Pak Hasan wira
Next,mr.Dino Pati Djalal pak.
"WHY NATION FAIL"
Next Dewi Lestari
Bener2 jd merasa insecure melihat jumlah buku yg mereka baca..
TOHPATI please 🤤
👌👍👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏✊
Next guess: Pompeo
9:40
Next up: Yanis Varoufakis
Trandingkan
Siap kawal SWF indo p.gita?
kapan ngundang pak SBY nih.....
Pak Gita ditunggu next endgame narasumbernya moorisa tjokro, yuk ramein biar jadi motivasi the next generation of indonesia. yang setuju like dong👍
Gak ngerti tolong beri taraslit bhs indonesia biyar paham
Nyalakan "Closed Caption" yang tombolnya tulisan [CC] lalu pilih bahasa Indonesia Mas
This kind of person does still exist
@@shinypotato7204 Maklum Mas. Negara kita peradabannya mulai zaman batu sampai zaman 5G
I disagree with Mr. Kausikan's opinion on head covers being imported from Middle-east.
Someone I know had to transfer to an Islamic school because she was not allowed to cover her head in public school during Soeharto era (She was not allowed to attend classes).
Who knows how many young women chose to loose the head cover because they couldn't afford to change schools in the past?
Maybe they just use it (the head cover) again now.
Because now they are free to do so.
Andgame
#GITAINAPRESIDENT2024
Mirip obama banget om gita sumpah
aku ora ngerti bosone..maaf
Iso boso Indonesia Pak? Lek iso, penek tombol [CC], mari ngono pilih "bahasa Indonesia" iku nanti muncul terjemahan'e.
Pesaing singapura cuma brunai dari sdm n uang, baru malaysia
Brunei SDM biasa ajah.. Soal duit, iya banget!
@@komikakomuka842 ya biasa indeks pembangunan sdm emg no2 di asean n singapura no1 😁
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Very interesting and informative conversation as always, but I must say that the speaker's views are quite islamophobic when he equated hijabs to arabization or wahhabization - which is blatantly incorrect - and sees less women wearing hijabs as a sign of progress, and more hijabs as an alarming sign. This narrow way of thinking can lead to the authoritarian and racist politics that we see oppressing a lot of muslim women and men alike today.
True.. Probably he sees it as a progress because now women can 'choose' whether she wants to wear hijab or not. It's compulsory in our religion, of course, but now women can choose. Wouldn't go that far to label him as islamophibic though.
His view has been why use the term hijab when tudung was used formerly? not the wearing of the religious head dress itself.
if u dont know bilahari, he's known to call a spade a spade, he's very outright and outspoken with his talk, and as he said in this video, indonesians are polite but singaporeans are not (to make a case for his way of speaking). he visisted indonesia in 68 when there were virtually no women in jilbab or hijab, now everywomen wear one. you may disagree and call him islamophobic all u want, but MOST OF THE WORLD agree with bilahari, and i can guarantee you most of the world wouldnt call him islamophobic, he's in the world stage for almost 40 years.
After 37 years in foreign affairs, he seems quite foggy in assessments on China.
Not so sure I agree with China's foreign policy being bad rather than their PR (Ironically propoganda) being poor.
Because guess what, China has developed several grand strategies that have reaped benefits :
1) BRI and AAIB continues to grow in strength if of course not without hiccups. This strategically refocuses energy towards Eurasia away from contentions in the Eastern Ocean/SCS orchestrated in part as well by the United States trying to encircle China.
2) Africa. With dwindling birth rate, China needs to find other means of production and Africa is one opportunity. Own goal by West on covid (lack of diplomacy/hoarding) has further driven much of Africa to China as an opportunity for development and mutual benefit. This again is the West on doing bc it prefers to reap benefits from Africa on its own terms only
3) RCEP. Again whilst US has blundered with TPP, China has pushed forward and successfully launched RCEP. This binds a common future between its neighbours in SEA and prevents them from being further manipulated by the US as they are reminded of the strong economic benefits to their own country of continued engagement with China against US containment policy. And we see that working out with Trump?Pompeo lack of success trying to find volunteers for their so called Quad (which is at best non committal and lip service particularly from India and Japan if not even Australia despite bluster)
4) Covid response and vaccine/COVAX. Again instead of being victim of Western smear campaign against, China turned it on its head (largely bc of Western/US incompetence handling their own outbreaks and has successfully supported International institutions like the WHO in providing again COVAX free vaccines to the third world. It thereby is now seen as a moral leader in the developing world where the Western powers for all their preaching about 'Human Rights' are seen as hypocritical when it really matters.
5) Russia - Instead of drawing a wedge between Russia and China, Trump and Pompeo and now Biden clumsily bring China and Russia closer (as indeed Iran). Again this plays to benefit of BRI
6) Europe - The key continental players and Eastern Europe again see natural gravity shift to Eurasian land bridge and BRI with Comprehensive Agreement on Investment. They like many other countries are unwilling to place faith in the US which is now subject to potential topsy turvy policy changes with every switch of regime potentially every 4 years as US is increasingly polarised.
In fact it is China that has held to its agreements long term where US has made U turns as it suits itself from Paris Climate accord to Iran Nuke deal.
Who would you trust to keep to agreements, a long term planning China or a country subject to nationalism and political fracture?
Like most regions, Europe will hedge whilst developing its own capabilities having been also held hostage with a weaponised US dollar on Iran and coerce to action by US bully tactics on tech and trade. There is no guarantee that Democrats can stay in power for over one term given Trump's healthy enough showing in elections despite loss.
7) Dual Circulation - Another grand strategy rolled out by Xi amidst Covid recovery (China being the only country to register positive growth despite being hit first by Covid)
This not only provide for more internal self reliance as China's own latent domestic demand behind to take flight but also provides both Europe, SEA and nations in Middle East, Africa, Latin America an actual growth market for their own products in coming decade.
8) What Mr Kausikan and many do not mention on the SCS - This issue was stoked in fact by Obama turning a blind eye to Japan nationalising Diaoyou Islands/Senkaku.
the US therefore broke from its traditional ambiguous/neutral position on the disputation and became a dishonest broker that China could not trust to stay neutral with regard SCS.
China then thereafter became more aggressive in its claims in the SCS deciding to put facts on the ground (Note it was not the first to build Airstrips or militarise the Islets)
But despite potential Aggravation with particularly Vietnam and Philippines, neither has been swayed towards the US false narrative of FON as a reason to move toward the US. That China has managed to keep these particularly difficult neighbours for them on side is testament to adroit use of both threat of hard power but also softer diplomacy and the carrot of cooperative efforts in the economic sphere.
I'm not sure what Bilahari Kausikan views as unsuccessful China foreign policy.
Sure China is a challenge and the US may still have a role to play balancing out its increasing strength but the US has increasingly become a spoiler in International affairs and potentially an erratic actor in the next decade if domestic politics continue to drive its foreign policy decisions.
Potentially, Europe has a role to play in providing another pole but whether it has the confidence enough to move on from Cold War posture NATO irrelevance and dig itself both out of its COVID mess as well as Brexit in time to do so is another issue to wait and watch.
bilahari is known as mr ultra pragmatist, he pulls no punches when criticising. china issue with japan in the east china sea should not be a reason for them to reclaim islands and militerise them in teh south china sea. as bilahari already said, there is a rule in place (called UNCLOS) you dont go around making and applying your own rules, as the south china seas is not owned by any country, and even though most of the area belongs to asean countries, all asean countries agree to abide by internationa law. that's why US presence will always be needed to kee p the balance, and as bilahari already stated again: the balance is needed to reach a stalemate. (which is better than a conflict, but it'd be better if china can agree to COC).
I think he's the worst guest of pa gita. Women with cover is an Islam thing NOT an Arab thing. Well... different people different beat I guess. Thanks pa Gita..
Yes agreed, I'm sure that comment hurts the sensibility of many muslims, especially covered muslim women who are listening to this talk. I know Pak Gita is being fair in inviting guests to his programs for example by inviting Ibu Khofifah. I hope Pak Gita can bring more guests that can bring an enlightening and uplifting view on Islam, not prejudiced and demeaning like this..
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