What is a 2 Frame ?

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[@Bob__Yosh]

I actually didn't know you couldn't 2-frame recoveries from above

[@Hamudi518]

only works for tp recoveries and aegis air dodge

[@shaolinsojo]

@@Hamudi518actually not true a lot of characters if you airdodge from above the ledge there is no 2 frame, but you’ll have the airdodge vulnerability still

[@Jeremonkey90]

Same

[@P0chuL1ver]

​@@Hamudi518it's for every character lol. It's just they have no 2 frames of vulnerability if they are _above the ledge_. It's to compensate the fact that they're just simply more vulnerable while being over the ledge.

[@Hamudi518]

@@P0chuL1ver .... how do you main pichu and don't know

[@generalmountain3780]

Now i understand why I keep dying

[@ElderSivart]

I never knew how to not grab the ledge, I think I do that on accident a bunch and was always confused why I wouldn't grab haha

[@dnegel9546]

Same explains lot

[@Leee275]

Cool to use the Return to Dream Land soundtrack btw

[@piggest8801]

I can't believe this is when I finally learn what a 2 frame is

[@Skull_Knight_Berserk]

Smash boiiiiiiiiiiiiz

[@N3OJOyTOKYO]

This is why i like tethers

[@Gwenpool256]

That not grab seems very useful

[@YezJPKR]

2 frame pog…

[@owentobias3270]

I love bayonetta who can’t be punished. People don’t know how to use her well

[@Spartakill198]

So.. I thought that EVERYTHING could be 2-framed, but teleports like palu and mewtwo had even more than 2 frames

[@missesfire8492]

No they only have 2 frames, just the distance they are from the ledge when this grab animation begins (ledge snap) is closer and easier to punish than say, ganondorf, who has the largest gap between him and the ledge at the start of his 2 frame, is rather difficult to 2 frame punish.

[@LoofTroop]

What if you air dodge from above? Will the two frame exist?

[@missesfire8492]

No

[@P0chuL1ver]

Nope, you get no vulnerability when air dodging diagonally downwards towards the ledge, since you are *above it*

[@Hamudi518]

where is part 2? how do I play around it?

[@CipherKnighto]

He just explained it. Using tether recoveries or delaying when you grab the ledge to hit an opponent attempting to 2 frame

[@Hamudi518]

@@CipherKnighto this let's you even more open. and not everyone has a tether

[@CipherKnighto]

@@Hamudi518 it’s called a mixup lmao, and obviously I know everyone don’t got a tether but it’s still worth mentioning. Do you not mix up your timing when you recover? Nice waiting 7 months to reply btw

[@paleblank0]

Pretty sure if you two frame the opponent gets their jump back

[@missesfire8492]

Nah bro

[@P0chuL1ver]

Why don't you test it with a friend and you 2 frame them with a spike? They would tell you if they lost their double jump.

[@paleblank0]

@missesfire8492 yes, the game considers you grabbed the ledge in a 2 frame meaning you do get your jump back. Tested and happened multiple times in real matches in my exp

[@juanchol21]

interesting

[@goldman1996]

How do people not know this after the game had been out for 4+ years?

[@P0chuL1ver]

Several people might have known that. _You_ have not known that

[@goldman1996]

@@P0chuL1ver bro this comment was 7 months ago

[@Sidney_TSG]

If u dont know this by now what game are u even playing?

[@Sharkeisha1]

Interesting