How To Find The Perfect Tyre Pressure | High Vs Low Pressure
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- It's worth experimenting with different tyre pressures to figure out what works best for you and the terrain you ride. Take a pump and pressure gauge out on your next MTB ride and get it dialled in!
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Lowers pressures have more grip and compliance but will squirm more and are more likely to puncture from impacts. Higher pressures are more resistant to pinch flats but have a smaller contact patch and may feel harsh.
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How do you like to run your tyre pressures?
I weigh a about 55kg and I run 22psi in the front and 25psi in the rear with 27.5 wheels and 2.3 inch in width, both with tubes. I know that this is a soft tire pressure but I am very lightweight, therefore I can afford to do this.
15f/16.5r on my tubeless 29x3.0's. My basic starting point for trail riding.
Not sure
34psi rear and 28 psi front, with 27.5 and 2.5 in the rear tubeless and 2.45 in the front tubes (cause im lazy) also I know a little of a mix up but i am a heavy user of my rear wheel. and I weight about 175 lbs... also sometimes when im racing downhill I will bump my pressure up in the rear to ~40 and the front to 34
I run about 26psi on the front with a 2.3 dhf and about 28psi rear with a 2.3 dhr Both 27.5 and tubeless.
5:21 now im not as fast as i used to be....
Next sec. electro music starts and Neil destroys trail 🤘😎👍
bitumen83 he is a wizard on a bike!
Neil in slow mo is faster than I at full speed 🥴
Damn I forgot just how crazy fast Neil is on two wheels....
Soknik01 or on one
GMBN Last Week: Is MTB cool?
GMBN this week: I will now talk about tyre pressures for 11 minutes and 37 seconds
On a serious note always a pleasure watching someone of Neil's skill level shred. And on a side note that Der Baron is a nice looking tyre.
I run carbon rims, no insert, and I'm 18 in front and 20 in the rear. Never had a single issue. I'm 175lbs
U got money
I'm 110 lbs and run 18/20 front/rear on 27.5x2.4
I think it's astonishing every time to see the guys from gmbn shred in a proper edit. Especially Neil though, cause he is such a quiet and calm guy it is easy to forget just how much skill he has and how fuckin quick he is.
Can i just say that it really matters whether or not you run tubeless. I find that people always overlook this but trust me the amount of snakebites you’ll get will unbelievable. If you haven’t gone to tubeless, you really should! It truly is worth it.
Crazily fast Neil..! 🙌🏻
When Im jumping i run my tyres to 40psi rear 38psi front.! Im 20st 6lb any lower im rolling all over the place n general ride no less than 30psi all round. Im tubeless too which works well for me I have maxxis highrollers on 2.5 front 2:4 rear
It would be interesting to see this done again without the rider knowing the pressures; I bet expectations play a big role in the actual experience and sensations.
Yep. My thoughts exactly!
Thanks for this video! Very informative! Can't believe how fast you were riding those trails!
I run Magic Mary front Hans Dampf rear, 27.5", and pressures 21 and 25 respectively, I am 65 Kg. I took such pressure indications from an old GMBN video when Scotty was still in.
I run a tubeless XC 29er and weigh 160lbs and run 28 front &30 rear psi on my hard tail. I always want to run lower but really don't want to kill my Mavic rims.
So it seems Neil has decided to run the same pressures i do on my 27.5 trail bike. Interestingly, I run my 29er XC bike pressures at 28/35 primarily because it is also my commuter bike and I tend to carry a heavy bag.
I run 26 rear (29x2.2 Conti Trail King) and 23 front (29x2.4 Conti Trail King) on 25mm internal. Works for me.
Aggressive tyre pattern with higher pressure (for better roll) vs not so aggressive tyre (for better roll) with lower pressure.
The struggle is real. Personally prefer quite high pressure for better roll, the difference in feel when accelarating is huge.
Amazing looking trail though!
I find it quite hard to judge speed for jumps on to low tire pressure because i feel that low tire pressurr slows me down to much for my liking
Definitely aggressive tyre with a high pressure.
These shots were super sick 🤙🏻
MM yes!
For me the tire width is the biggest factor, my maxxis 2.3" DHF tires I run 27psi in the rear and 23psi up front (I'm 62kg) my 2.6" magic Mary's are real hard at these pressures, I've been running 21psi rear and 18psi front.
My dad has 2.8 magic Mary's and he is 92kg and is running like 16psi rear and 14psi front hahaha I've caught him out riding on 10psi, I'm the only one that checks his pressures
This is in Aussie dust conditions but small rocks and no risk.
@@KurtisPape I've had the direct opposite experience. Smaller diameter tire at the same pressure should get harder under compression. Same principle as air sprung suspension and volume reducer tokens.
@@frankthetankricard maybe under lots of compression, but it's all about air volume, my road bike I'm running 90psi, racers are running upto 110psi. If you done this on a mountain bike tire it would explode well before then.
I used to run high tire pressures (3 bar) but now I’m trying to get pretty low.
Or, lets say, depends on where I’m riding.
City, to get to work (high pressure, lower rolling resistance) or on the weekend, riding some trails and going down a hill with a good amount of little jumps (around 70cm)
I once ran for climbing a pretty steep and long hill here in my local area, around 1.3 in the back and 0.9 in the front...and it felt good.
I have to say, that I’m riding in the extreme zone, since I got 2.35 tires on my narrow 19mm rim.But it’s a light and very stiff one from Mavic.
Crossmax XL.
But around 10 years old...
Now I’m building a completely new 27,5“+ bike with the almost other extreme.
40mm rim, 2.8 and 3“ tires cause it’s going to be a enduro hardtail and I searched something more capable going downhill...cause my TrailCountry bike😅😂 isn’t feeling very stable going downhill fast.
Everytime GMBN plays that music these guys just rips through the trails.
Could you guys make a video about how brake bumps occur and how to ride over them with lower travel? :)
Check this older video of Doddy here 👉 gmbn.eu/BrakingBumps He is on a DH bike but the techniques are still the same.
Tnx gmbn.. got my new mtb and i feel like a pro haha tnx for your vdeos ive learn a lot for watching...
I really like riding with (very) low tire pressure, especially on the front (17.5psi). On the rear I ride a bit more, but still with low pressure, because I don't want to buy a new rim after every ride (22.5psi). But I also only weight about 60 kilograms, haven't got any trails with really big rocks where I live and ride tubeless.
Cube Stereo 140, 150mm travel front and 140mm rear... Tire peressure: Hard ASF
So you're saying, as you get older, you don't get quite as hard as you used to.
At least where I live in Arizona, my local bike shop suggests this as a starting point: [your weight + gear (in pounds)] ÷ 7, that number plus 2 for the rear and minus 2 for the front
I've never heard of that calculation but it's almost bang on the pressures i run!!
Sounds good to me. Thanks for sharing.
Graeme Bauer is gear bike too because my bike would make a big difference in my tire pressures
Exactly what i run
18/20 for the rigid single speed (Spec Ground Controls). 21/23 for the full suss with the same tyres.
Loving the show
How much do you weigh when you ride? I’m 90kg or 14 stone in mine, run 28-30 in the back, 24-26 front. Locally it’s typical UK forest trails no rock and rides are up to forty miles. Do you think low pressure makes much difference to longer rides? Will give a lower pressure a try next weekend.
That's about what I ride at 92kg...but so many other variables. If ur riding rooty, rocky stuff, try a bit lower. But if smooth trails and fireroad, stick with it. Tarmac/road sections will be slower with lower. But offroad (proper, not fire road/tow paths) will be faster, as tyre deforms round chatter plus more grip.
I'm no racer and don't get the speeds by any means. I ran too much pressure on the front yesterday and spent the last 24 hours in a hospital bed with broken ribs. Back to a lower pressure when the ribs are healed. I'd rather wreck a tyre than wreck my body.
I put both tyres to 30psi. Riding bikes is fun, fixing punctures isn't.
For my hardtail I find I have to run around 18 for downhill and 22 max for climbs front and rear. Otherwise my feet bounce off the pedals everywhere and the trail chatter is too fatiguing. Also running 2.8 front and rear. 5'6" 150 lb
I usually run 30-30 but I think I’m gonna give running lower pressures. A helpful video
depends on rider weight/terrain/weather/skill/preference
Would have been interesting to have a couple of GoPro pointing at the tires during these runs to see/show/explain the difference in deformation between the various settings
Thanks Neil! I really learned allot about tyre pressure and ive been considering going to tubeless and running 26psi on my tires
U will need roughly 2psi more in rear to front, not same in both
Go tubeless! You won’t regret it! I have tubeless on my plus sized hard tail and it is a lifesaver!
Rupert Wenn Yes i would but i am putting some cross country tires on my bike those with really small knobs and i wanted a wide tire to maintain traction
Yeah?!
I am going to tubeless this christmas and im still a kiddo though 13 yrs old so imma wait for my presents to come.
And that includes new tires, tubeless rim tape, a presta valve and a tubeless sealant!
Meaning i get to go to tubeless!
I weigh 141lbs and I've been running 28psi rear and 26psi front. I've experimented with lower tire pressures in the past but I didn't like how slow it made me also I lowered them a little too low once and damaged my carbon rim. I could go down 2 more psi since I'm a light weight rider so I may do that for my next ride🤘🏻
Defo u should...that's my 'standard summer' pressures and i'm 92kg (203lb) riding weight (with kit/camelbak)😬. I drop 1-2 psi in winter slop
Question here: There's a pressure limit on my 29x2.1 tires which says that the pressure should be between 40 PSI (Minimum) and 65 PSI (Maximum).. so what happens if I use them under their recommended pressures? 40 PSI is really rock solid which I dont really like.. I'm using Continental racekings for my other bike with 26-28 PSI which has no recommendation for min. pressure while it says 65 for max.. My new mtb's tires... Can't hold it.. PS: They are not tubeless.
Edit: And also I really want to see what you can do with folding bikes with 20'! It would be fun to push them to the limits! and we can see that how long they can hold..
I run my tires at 19 in the rear and 17 for the front
yeah, between 20/22 rear and 18 front but have a 2.629er out back SE casing and 2.4 29er up front.
Easy trails huh
@@MaYbYl8eR Very, like with tock gardens, roots and ruts and the occasional DH track. Piss Easy
Excellent video 👍 Really well explained and nicely demonstrated. Always amazes me how much money people will invest in a bike and how little time they will invest in setting it up to perform to its max!
#GMBN I think the key take away here is "Confidence". Would you agree that the more confidence you have the more speed you will carry? I tend to think the rider limits speed more than any PSI or slight change in grip......
Here’s the bottom line if you’re not an xc MTB racer: Run a 30-32mm inner wheel, with a medium to soft compound tire and at least 28psi in the rear and 24 up front. I’ve personally seen to many fails from chasing the “low” pressure for traction and breaking a sidewall or a wheel. Tire-roll also sucks when you’re running low tire pressure. Okay....so who am I to judge? 4 Colorado podiums in Enduro out of 4 races in my 40+ class. But, I ride with Pro’s and I’m always looking at how they do it, from suspension to tires and their pressures. Guess what....my buddy that weighs 158-162, he’s running 30psi minimum with cushcore in the rear and more fork pressure than I! He’s a top ten rider in the BME series. We’re all looking for that edge....so, minimize tire roll and buy a legit tire. Happy riding🌅
Fascinating. So for a 100kg rider, they would have to run maybe 35psi approx, and maybe 120psi in the fork?
Been waiting for this one 👍🏻
I do like 40 psi at a bike park and about 33 in the front and 35 in the back for single track. I constantly have to pedal to get the speed I want if its below 30
Yess i needed that video soo bad hah thanks
Thanks for your inputs, great topic..... and what's about in the wet on rocky sections? With 27 r 25 f, you might loose grip completely.... Cheers.
Neil really can shred fast.
Great video Neil and GMBN
Neil what pressures would of used on your South Downs Way epic ride ?
I have a full suspension MTB 26x2.00 inch tyres 40 in the front 38 in the back
Thanks for your great Videos! I really can imagine how those variables might play a role-however just go biking-no excuses 😉
If you like the feeling of lower pressures, why not run an insert such as Rimpact?
You get best of both worlds: grip, comfort, and protection.
Gonzalo Vilaseca because he knows better than you
Dominic King great, reasoned argument, thanks.
@@dominicking1530 Neil HAS run inserts on certain trails (v rocky) like andes pacifico.
That’s an answer not an argument. I don’t like arguing
Love your vids
Wondering if anyone could answer this for me. My Norco Storm hardtail has WTB Ranger 29x2.25 tyres. Recommended tyre pressure between 35-55 PSI. I went on a pretty loose, sorta rocky downhill trail running the minimum 35PSI. It felt like I should and could go lower then that? Is it okay to go a few PSI below what the tyres recommended PSI is? All new to mtb’s, sorry for being dumb 😂
I like running my tires at around 15 psi front and 18 psi while still running tubes..though the trails around here aren’t that harsh I might need to increase the pressure or run tubeless soon.
Tes theRBplayer tubeless all the way! You won’t regret it!
Where was this filmed? I know you say at the start but cant make it out.great video as usual
Finale Ligure, Rollercoaster trail
i read that tubles you have to swap liquid every 6 month and tyres become useless half life before ? im runing tubes and swich them only when changing wear off tred tyre ..cost me around 10 £ per 3years , is the same with tubless?
At 220lbs I dont like to run less than 28 in the rear 26 in front. Usually I just keep it safe at 30/28.
#askgmbn hi, I have a 2019 Norco Fluid FS 2 with 29 x 2.6 maxxis forekasters front and rear with a 29 mm inner rim width. I want to know if it is ok to put a 2.5 inch tire on that rim without anything going wrong. I am thinking of putting a 2.5 maxxis minion DHF and a 2.5 maxxis assegai if it will work. Thanks and hope you can help.
Yes that's fine. Why don't you like 2.6?
FoVision well for starters, when I hit a big drop and the tire expands out it rubs on the inner part of my chain stays and it has rubbed the pain off. Other wise I love the big tires and also I want to try different tires and most of them aren’t in 2.6.
@@tievox_gsr sounds like a clearance issue...might be worth reaching out to Norco considering that's what the bike was specced with. You may want to consider a DHF and DHRII combo in 2.6. WTB also makes some beefy tires and are known for being their true width. Maxxis tend to actually run a bit smaller But you can totally go 2.5 without issue on your bike if you'd like. Schwalbe has a few 2.6 as well.
FoVision I could go for 2.6 but where I live there is lots of snow so I am looking for a tire that is somewhat descent in wet conditions
what mini pump is that?
Is this different with plus tires. I run 2.8” and have 17f and 18r psi. Smooth as butter.
Love the video and your channel
Really informative! Thank you
Hi mate/guys what pressure would you suggest for HT 27.5+ with CushCore? Mostly for aggressive trail. I have 120 Z1 with 4 tokens. I run at the moment 18 front and 15/16 back ....
How much psi should i use on a 29er 2.6inch tire ? Dry conditions ?
I have heard tyre inserts described as having a similar effect on tyres, as bottomless tokens do on a fork. I would be interested if any one on the channel has tried that or if you might do a video comparing with or without.
At 4:44 you mention that you're using a Trail King 2.3" in the back, however there is no such size for the Trail King, only 2.2", 2.4" and 2.6" are available for this tire (and 2.8" as well now it seems). Maybe you confused this with the Mountain King 3, which indeed is available in 2.3".
It's a Trail King all right, you can see the print on the sidewall at 7:13, so he could be mistaken about the 2.3 size. Another possible scenario is that they have sizes/compounds that have yet to hit the market, they're sponsored by Continental after all.
Yeah it's certainly a Trail King, I didn't mean that he confused his tire with a Mountain King, just the size. I also briefly thought about a new prototype tire, but I think it's pretty unlikely that Conti will offer another variant of the Trail King that sits between the already existing 2.2 and 2.4 size. All of their other tires are available in 0.2" increments (or more).
Neil is still soooooo fast! Wooow!
#AskGMBN Hi Guys, love the show and the vids. With tyre pressure does it differ between hardtails and full suspension? Or is it the same for both?
Also different from trail to trail, part of “learn the track” day at a race is so you can set your bike to the course, no magic number works everywhere
Same person, rims, terrain, tyres on both bikes, prob can get away with bit lower in rear on fs, but might need lower in ht for comfort and grip
Really good vid...good job Neil and Jack👏👏👏
Rupert Wenn yes. GMBN gets better every day!
I run 32 PSI is that good? I'm 75KG my bike is around 15KG
Anyone recognize the music at 7:48?
Steve Will Do It!
Hey Marcus, we always list music in the video description. 👍
Thanks Neil
I've a hard tail. 30psi rear, 25psi front. Both are DH tyres. Anything less in the rear and I feel there rim getting hit
Did you notice any speed difference between the higher and lower tire pressure on the trail you were riding?
Would it make sense to run lower tyre pressures on a hardtail, or is that a myth?
Maybe but I always used to run them slightly harder than on my full sus because the rear tire has got to put up with more stress due to no suspension
However if you run them lower the bike will feel more compliant but you will risk getting a flat easier
How much psi in your tires?
I don't know how anyone can ride pressures as low as people generally claim. If I go as low as 30 psi I already feel uncomfortable because it's barely supporting my 175 lbs body weight. Around 32 the rubber can still deform just enough to have plenty of grip in the corners but going lower it feels unstable like I'm rolling through jelly. I'm on a hardtail so I'd be destroying my rims on roots and rocks. Then again, I've been watching the video closely to see how the tires deform under Neil to have a reference around 20 psi his tires looked like mine at 32. I don't know what makes such a huge difference. Air volume in theory could do that, the same principle as running tokens in a fork. But I have smaller 26" wheels to begin with and similar width 2.4 tires. Rim design alone couldn't possibly account for such a difference.
#gmbn ive watched all the vids on tire pressure. Still dont know which to use. Dont have the luxury of doing multiple test rides. Im short, ride tubeless, like to be playfull and jumping off small stuff etc. One vid said low 25ish psi same vid then also said 30 psi
How can you run these pressures without completely destroying rims? Im running 40 rear and 38 front, tubeless on 2.5in wide 27.5 tires with inserts and i still managed to dent a wheel within 2 days.
How heavy are you?
@@th_js 70kg, i don't know what that is in freedom units
@@ottosandrini8480 thats not heavy. Maybe very light weight or budget tyres? Or to narrow rims for tyres/terrain so the sidewalls curve over to much?
Those are realy really high pressures.
@@rupedog theyre the dh casing magic marys, on 30mm inner diameter synchros dh wheels
@@ottosandrini8480 How is that even possible??? I'm also 70kg and I run Apex Magic Marys on DT M1900 wheels with Nukeproof ARDs, about 20-30psi and rarely get a puncture anymore!
Kind of waist hydra pack is that?
Hi GMBN. I want to transorm my rim in to a tubeles rim. How to do this?
P Force I’m sure they have videos on it, if your wheels and tires are tubeless compatible then you just gotta tape them, get tubeless valves, and fill them with sealant.
Hey, check this video from Doddy over on the GMBN Tech channel 👉 gmbn.tech/ubeless101Hopefully it should help 👍
Great video
When are you uploading your next vid?
27 front, 40 rear, inner tubed, continental cross kings on full sus. It's my balance between front end grip and making it easier to pedal
30-35 hardtail basic bike here 🤘😷
Would love to have a table or formula of how rider and bike weight affects the ideal pressure... I know it just another variable, but it is a big thing that is obviously a factor... the same track, the same conditions, the same skill / speed level, but a 50kg rider compared to a 100 kg rider is going to be a lot of difference in impact forces on jumps and tyre distortion on sharp edges etc...
Tire width, tire casing, rim width, tire brand, type Of tire, terrain, wet, dry, style Of riding etc etc. It is utterly impossible,to make a table/formula. Only 1 Way, start at XX pressure, ride the same piece Of Trail with diff pressures, find your own sweet spot.
@@flemming_j_ Sure, I heard that and watched the entire video... just was wondering - based on others experience, if there was some rule of thumb... for every 20kg of rider weight, add 10psi or 5% or such... Perhaps tyre manufacturers have such research and someone knows about it and can provide a link... Your suggestion works for the same bit of trail... but what is a minimum setting, do rocks need more than smooth loam (and such...)
David King I highly doubt they have that research, lets take any brand out there, first they have to give a base Pressure based on EVERY single tire they have, under the same base, for example a 28mm rim, on dry rock, with an aggressive riding style, tubeless, no insert. But you might be conservative, Pressure changes, and your rim is 30mm, Pressure changes again. And by the Way, you ride Loam, not rock, again, Pressure changes. Only your own experience Can tell you the difference that fits you and a given condition. I usually tell people always tubeless, and start at 30 psi at go from there.
@@flemming_j_ They must arrive at some starting point for the base pressure using more than guess work... Thanks for your input, perhaps someone with the experience or knowledge will be able to answer... who knows which team mechanics or tyre technicians might be reading...
I run 30 on the front, 30 on the rear, exact same as i run on my car tyres !
I run 18 in front and 24in back on most of my setups
I ride dry, rocky ,lose trails ...Alice Springs, Australia
Cool and awsome
On road and fire road = as hard as tyres max pressure
How many psi would you recommend on a very hard-packed xc trail with Ikon tyres on?
i dont doubt you Neil as you are totally RAD..but man..having electronic gauges and worrying so much is a little overboard..Surely im not the only person who puts very little importance on tire pressure?
Not only one, plenty out there dont realise how much difference it makes to grip, comfort, punture protection, speed...and so ride enjoyment.
Great..
26-24 works for me, unless im street mode in which case i go over 30
So so many variables...Could rename this 'opening up a can of worms'😬😂
I run around 17 PSI in my Maxxis Minions and find that too much more is way too rough? Is that normal or am I running them too low?
I run 80psi on my bike (road bike)
I run 120psi on my road bike to avoid the pinch flats on the manhole covers and other unavoidable stuff on the roads I ride on...
Just buy a magic Mary and that's it, that tire is a tank
I never understood how people could run 30psi for enduro. That just seems crazy harsh and less grip to me.
Bike means Fahrrad in German, which can be shortened to "Rad".
So bikes are really rad.
Lustig ^^
20/25 & 27/32
Simple Rule for off-road (not fireroad) = As LOW as YOU can go WITHOUT pinching, excessive squirming, or burping (to much) on that specific ride....
and ur burp point & pinch point will vary with tyre, riding weight, terrain, rider style/skill, insert or not, tubeless, ur rim, air temp etc. etc.
50 up front 30 up back
Hello there
Will you ever do a giveaway for your young viewers?
I am not sure thats allowed, modern slavery act etc, they cant give away their viewers😂
Valid point tho, to be honest. @GMBN the little rippers are ur future audience...look after them, or they will migrate to Seths woodwork channel 😂 (lets face it, Seth is purely focused on carpentry now, zero riding or bike hacks these days 😴😵)