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While I don’t think Thor is the best Thor movie, (Thor Ragnarok is my favorite) I do think the first Thor is criminally underrated and I can’t see why people don’t like it. I love it and it’s near or in my top 5 in the MCU.
HiTop Films love the cap movies. Fave is probs winter soldier. The first Thor is actually very good I rewatched it recently and it is much better than I remember. And I totally agree with the Shakespearean edge.
Great video essay, but I would like to make another point. You’re wrong at 3:50. Thor isn’t trying to save his people, they weren’t in danger. He was trying to save the Frost Giants. Loki was trying to destroy Jotunheim, not Asgard. This makes Thor even more heroic, since he was trying to save a race of people he had been taught to hate his whole life
When Thor’s friends died in 3, i felt my heart get shook and i was like “WHAT?!?! WHY?!” And the movie glosses over it so quickly and without emotion. That’s really the only thing I didn’t like about 3.
I always thought this, ive always felt thor 1is so underrated, the jokes are on point, and it has a fucking cool story, i like his change, i feel that ragnarok was also good but the jokes were a bit too much, but it is understandable, he now knows what is it to be human and not just an asgardian and a god, but still, thor one is the best
1) Thor has still the prettiest ending in the whole MCU. 2) More important, in the first movie, Thor doesn't save Asgard, he saves Yotunhaim, the same world he was trying to start a war with at the start of the story, which shows how much he matured. 3) Funny as it is, Ragnarok doesn't make Thor any deeper.
lacrarte zorok Thor and Loki had much needed growth in ragnarok, Thor takes things seriously and he learns from his mistakes of trusting Loki, so yes he does change.
Spencer Ricker phase one felt kind of real for some reason. Like all the new ones just feel like digital garbage tht came outta the marvel factory assembly line. Phase one may not hv had the best plots but it had some quality in the production by the looks of it.
The Chief 16 i think winter soldier is the best mcu movie. That or iron man 1. I dont dislike captain america 1 though. Underrated movie too imo. Just lacked great action scenes. But still awesome cus it layed down foundations of captain america’s beliefs for future movies.
Gebril Bastiaan oh yeah I agree. Cap 1 is severely underrated. I guess the action was kinda mild cuz it was supposed to reflect the simple cheesy action of classic 40s/50s war movies from back in the day. While winter soldier is more modern with badass action from stealth spy movies of today.
The way Brannagh uses night, day, rain, sunshine, to accompany the character arc points and give the story cosmic dimension (the Sun declines as Loki descends into madness and raises to midday as Thor becomes worthy of Mjonir) is just brilliant and one of the things I never see discussed about this grossly underrated movie...
I always liked the first Thor quite a bit. It's not my favorite MCU film (that would be Iron Man by quite a bit) but I feel Thor doesn't get enough credit in hindsight.
Same. iron man 1 is still on top for me, and thor 1 is right up there with Avengers and Winter Soldier imo. I can never love Ragnarok because of the way it disregards the first two thor movies.
I feel like the first Thor movie had a lot more heart to it, and I loved its Shakespearean theme it had, Thor 2 wasn’t bad, just generic, and Thor Ragnorok was great, but I miss the feeling the first Thor had, I felt like it fit the character of Thor a lot better
I thought that Helas "why" was crystal clear. She was raised as a warrior to see Asgard conquer the realms. Odin failed to enlighten her and banished her. But when she returned her "why" never changed so she was driven to fulfill what had always been her ambition. It's all Odin's fault if u think about it lol
it expands on the earlier movies, in the first thor, laufey calls odin a thief and a murderer. odin was evil at some point, and when he changed, he had to stop what he had created (hela), he imprisoned her and kept the secret from asgard, but the other realms still knew the real history (like it happens in the real world too) and were waiting to get revenge. hela is odin's past, what he was before becoming benevolent, a bloodthirsty tyrant who calls herself a god and does whatever she wants whenever she wants, and she likes killing and fighting. it's a simple character but works more like a force of nature character, like the joker.
Bio Kimistry That goodbye scene with Odin, Loki and Thor in Norway was so melancholic. You could feel genuine regret from Odin because he was leaving his boys to clean up the mess he made.
That Guy you do understand her motivations, but she still seems fairly one dimensional compared to Loki. Loki wasn't always evil, he was just a boy who wanted to be love, and he felt neglected, which is why he turned evil. Hela on the other hand was always evil, even before Odin banished her, she was basically just evil moustache twirling villain who wants power, as Odin once was. Odin was simply willing to change, Hela wasn't. also, Loki's goal is simply to gain the love of Odin, which is extremely sympathetic and relatable. what's Hela's goal? just kill everyone cause she wants power.
Like I said before, Thor is so underappreciated, when it comes from the fantastic score to the amazing visuals. Great job! One of your best video essays!
I swear I'm the only one who actually thought Portman was a great match for Hemsworth in the first film. I think she draws a bit of attention away from where it belongs, but the acting and chemistry was great. She was trash in Dark World though
She is terrible with too much green screen. That's why her turn as Padme Amidala fell flat. She is a talented actress, but she needs more realistic settings.
i'm gonna sound cynical but people love to cling to trash, portman was bland and uninspired, the warriors 3 were so generic they were practically plastic action figures designed by poundland, they could only serve to detract from a movie trying to do anything, odin the human exposition device, thor's goal to not become king, asgardian people which have no backstory or interest , taika was merely being the competent filmmaker he is, because a boring filmmaker would try and remake thor dark world, a good film maker does this, now we have memorable characters the grandmaster, valkyrie even bruce banner who really needed somthing, and of course thor, fucking korg is memorable, just some side character dude. This movie does allot, does it well and is hilarious and makes you really feel that og comic thor feel.
The first Thor is one of my favourite MCU film to date, along with Civil War. It is rich in characters/arches, emotions, philosophies, vulnerability, strengths, bondages. Something that I can relate to and understand. Such roller-coaster ride. You go back and forth with the protagonist and antagonist. You can understand their motives.
There was alot of power in Thor 1. Any scene with Anthony Hopkins in it was gold. The banishment scene and the scene with Loki in the vault are POWERFUL.
Everything you said in this video is perfect! Thor is my favourite MCU movie and it means a LOT to me so thank you for giving it the credit it deserves! Patrick Doyle's soundtrack is my favourite MCU soundtrack as well! And you are right about Ragnarok, it looks nice but it's pretty forgettable: style but no substance. I couldn't really care about the characters seeing that they themselves did not seem to care. Anyway, I'm really curious about your opinion on Winter Soldier, since that is my second favourite MCU film.
Our Next Video Essay is comparing why Winter Solider is so great (imo) and why Man of Steel doesn't work (once again in my opinion, lol)! Thanks for watching!
I love Thor: Ragnarok, but the first Thor has such a special place in my heart. The movie is so underrated; the performances are amazing (it has Loki at his absolute best) and it easily has my favorite or second favorite score/theme in the entire MCU. God, I LOVE this movie.
Ragnarok was great, lots of fun, and I wouldn't call it forgettable. I walked away from it thinking "The Thor moves really did a need a new direction, and they definitely delivered with this one... But I think Thor could be more than the silly antics and cool moments." It was a great side of Thor, but perhaps the best way to see him is a combination of the first and third films. The darker tone of Infinity War following the events of Ragnarok gave us a Thor I love to see on screen. :)
Love it or hate it THOR was the first MCU film I ever watched, I was already someone who liked superheroes (what kid didnt?) But I highly doubt I would be as invested in the MCU without this film, glad to see the love for it
Absolutely! People just decided to piss on the first and second movie, but they were exactly what I wanted. Ragnarok is fun and all, but it just throws everything but the titular character in the bin.
When did he say it's overrated? He just said that Thor is a better Thor movie. The Thor movie I didn't like, he forgot to mention the bad jokes, the moments that are so ridiculous that take you out of the film, I believe Asgard and New Mexico look ugly in this movie. How boring the side characters are, etc. I didn't quite like most of the movie, only the parts mentioned in this video. (Except the romance, I'm tired of romances).
@@hotelzeta24 you're really going to criticize Thor one for having bad jokes? It might have a few token MCU jokes here and there, but the dialogue overall is Miles better than the zero attention span tick tock comedy that Ragnarok used for all of its dialogue.
I just want to point out Thor's sacrifice is more impressive than you said. He didn't sacrifice for his people as they weren't the ones in danger. He sacrificed for Jotenheim aka the people he viewed as his enimies at the beginning.
I have always liked this film (despite its flaws), and after being underwhelmed by Love and Thunder, it makes me appreciate this even more. As well as the simpler days of the MCU where they can focus on being simpler focused character driven stories instead of being rushed out fine and forgettable stuff
Just so you know, I keep gravitating towards this video to remind myself of what I strive for in superhero movies. I always thought THOR (2011) was underrated and this video has convinced all my reasonable naysayer friends otherwise. So keep it up, you are "doing the Lord's work" here
Couldn’t agree more. The scene where Thor proves his worth is still my favorite scene in the MCU and still gives chills. I think the Russo’s feel the same because they restrained third comedy so that is was a perfect mixture. They even mimicked that scene with the Thor wakanda scene. If you watch the hammer flies out of the bifrost the same it did out of the lightning and returns to show Thor in all his glory catching it. The problem with ragnarok was too much comedy and the disrespect for the warriors three. Korg was great but Thor should have smashed his face for making that joke when Asgard was destroyed. The one thing it does get credit for is changing the whole magic is science thing. There’s a good video on it by someone. In previous Thor movies Odin says “we’re not gods” but in ragnarok Dr strange is magic and Thor Loki and Hela refer to themselves as gods
I LOVE the first Thor movie! And I'm relieved that this video essay isn't one of the "sarcasm" type. It is the movie in which both the hero and the villain stuck in my head and I love them both! It's definitely a first in my movie-watching experience :D Also I love the establish of Asgard - the set design is so good I brought it in one of my 3D course project lol The only complaint I have about the movie is that the development of Thor from a brash, arrogant jock to a caring, self-sacrifice "worthy" character is quite rush so it's hard for me to feel much when he "changed".
Thor is a good movie but I felt like Ragnarok was a Spiderman 2 to Thors Spiderman.Underneath all the humor is a much deeper movie .It had Asgard reckoning with its past colonialism and tied it to characters who had to overcome their past (Valkyrie,Hulk) . Thor and Loki also had some much needed growth.
I agree about the growth part, Loki especially had a great arc. Thor, to me, is still one of the best Marvel Movies. I just love pretty much every aspect of it. Thanks for watching!
You make good points. Those were all good themes in Ragnarok. However I wish those things were at the forefront of the movie. The stuff about Asgard Odin Thor Loki hela. The good story is still there but it’s just surrounded by the covers of the flashy colorful Sakaar and the grandmaster hulk plot.
Agreed. The scene where they escape, where Thor accepts who his brother is - a trixter and basically giving up on changing him, the ending where Loki decides to be good, and the very end where they hug. All of that showed an intense change in who Loki chooses to be.
Ragnarok is weird. It’s highly entertaining, but it lacks heart and emotional resonance (at least for me). The comedy was so heavy handed that I just couldn’t bring myself to care about the characters. All of the heartfelt moments were cheapened by jokes (Asgard exploding) or rushed (Odin’s death).
2:59 Thor thinking about his home and then 3:04 he looks at Jane. Does this mean he is in a conflict in whether to settle on Earth as a simple man or return to Asgard as a God?
I mean that's a really compelling argument, and I totally see your point, but I don't agree. It might be because of my opinion of Ragnarok (I'm one who grades it the best in the trilogy), but bear with me. The structure of T1...is perfect. It presents the normal world, then throws the character into an adventure where he can have an arch. He grows, comes back and the normal world changes. It's textbooks material, really. But I feel like something is missing, like an emotional core. Probably isn't the best term. What I mean is that I don't see WHY Thor changes, or WHY does he falls in love with Jane. The movie gives us a perfect structure of Thor is arrogant - Thor is thrust on Earth - Thor learns humility and falls in love with Jane - Thor returns triumphant and proves he has grown, but it doesn't gives us specific moments that make the journey resonant. Yes, Thor sacrificing the chance of seeing Jane again to save the Jotuns, the ones he tried to kill in the beginning, it's a great plot point...but I don't know where Thor learned to be this heroic, and I don't know when or why did he fall in love with Jane, I don't see the romance, so it doesn't hit me as much as it should. Basically, what I'm getting at, it's that.the movie has potential but everything on Earth kinda squanders that. Thor heroism in the Destroyer scene really comes out of nowhere, because Thor on Earth is a static character. The only moment of development he has is the Midpoint, when he fails to lift the hammer, but we don't see him questioning himself after that. I'm not saying I needed monologues or detalied dialogues of how he understands that he's been arrogant, but there is nothing in the movie that suggest growth, or an epiphany. Also, the parts on Earth are very visually flat and boring And about Ragnarok...I feel compelled to defend it. I feel like its comedic tone might be threw some people off and cloud judgement. I know this feels kind of pretentious and condescending, but I swear I don't want to be, But I really disagree about some points that you made. Thor is NOT nonchalant. Just because he makes a few more gags than usual doesn't mean he doesn't care. Everything he does is to protect Asgard and its people. Loki is NOT a punchline. You nailed the point of Loki...he wants to be loved and accepted. And Ragnarok stays true to that. The first scene with him shows that. He had the kingdom at his feet. He could have done anything with it, but he chooses to put up a stupid play and a statue...so that people could love him, remember him the way he wants. And the finale builds on that: Loki still does what he does because he wants to, but he has the chance to be a real savior to Asgard for once, to EARN his people love, and his grabs it. In the first film he makes up a plan to make himself look good...in the third he has a real chance, and he fights for it. I mean, I liked this. Also, I don't fully get the complaint about Hela...yeah, her motivation are not fleshed out, like, at all, but T3 is not a movie made for that type of villain, like Zemo or Loki. She's a colonizer. We've had real colonizer. I don't find her hard to accept, because I know what drove those real people and I just project that on her. Maybe it's the wrong thing to do, or maybe I say this just because I liked Hela as a villain...Idk. But I'm gonna give you a thumbs up nonetheless. This was a good video, and you made your point of view very clear. Thank you if you've read through this wall, and keep it up
Hey thanks for the long comment. You pointed out a lot of things I never noticed about Ragnarock (Loki's Character Growth), and I'm definitely going to rewatch it with your view point in mind. I do think you are correct about comedy throwing people off (myself included). I think some of the film is genuinely hilarious, but a lot of jokes don't land for me, and end up taking away from the deeper elements of the film, for me. I'll definitely rewatch it in the upcoming months, and comment back here if I have any new thoughts. Thanks again!
Yes, all of this. Thor's "character development" was really sudden in the first movie. He was only one failure away from turning into a nice, humble, selfless hero? Ehhhh.... What mostly bothered me about Thor/Jane was that we were supposed to believe they were this great love story and oh what a great sacrifice it is for Thor that he won't be seeing her again! After knowing each other for about two days.... Yeah, no. Didn't buy it. The third movie literally starts with Thor trying to stop Ragnarok in order to protect his home and people and then Thor's entire motivation throughout the movie is to get back to Asgard so he can save his people from Hela. Seriously, how is that not caring anymore? Hela's motivations were obvious, they just weren't complex. She was raised as a conqueror all her life until Odin had a change of heart and decided to imprison her when she wouldn't obey him. Once she was free she saw herself as the rightful queen of Asgard since she was Odin's oldest child and decided Asgard would resume its former imperialism. It's unfair to compare her to Loki anyway, because he's basically the only good villain of the entire MCU. Ragnarok is far from prefect. How they handled Bruce's anxiety over forever turning into the Hulk was pretty terrible, tbh. But for the first time ever I actually cared about Thor and it's definitely not forgettable to me.
Err...I don't know. "I have to disagree with Thor being all about Asgard" you can, I guess, but I don't see how: in the first scene he meets with Surtur because he had dreams of Asgard burning and he wanted to prevent that; from when Hela threw him off the bridge his only goal was to get back on Asgard and gathering allies to fight her. There is not a single point in the movie when "beating Hela and saving Asgard" is not his primary objective. Just because there are more jokes now doesn't mean he has no goal. Saying that his behaviour with Hela and Surtur is the same "unworthy" behaviour he had in the first Thor is WAY exaggerated. In the first Thor he was an homicidal maniac with the desperate need of proving himself. In Ragnarok he makes a few self-aware jokes. "You are just the worst" and invading an alien planet with the intention of subjugating an entire race are NOT the same thing. And it's not like "It's that the best you can do?" said to Ultron is really that different. Thor has always been a little of a braggart. In Ragnarok everything is just in a more comedic tone because, well, it's a comedy. But that doesn't mean Thor won't fight. He fights. Both Surtur and Hela. He fights for Asgard. That is undeniable. Also, the point of Thor is to be humble and not go in search of war. Not to specifically respect your enemy. Yes, he saves the Jotuns at the end, but that's more to bring the narration full circle. And I'm not saying it can't be the case. It certainly can. It's a nice point of view. But Surtur threatened to lay waste to all Asgard, and Hela did lay waste to it, in addition to actually killing asgardians. He has absolutely no reason to respect them, no reason not to rib them with a few, honestly harmless, jokes. "Thor has never been a self aware joke" Just because something wasn't tried out before, doesn't mean they shouldn't try it out "Thor just shouldn’t be this self aware and meta" Such rule does not exist And to be honest with you, I feel like the comedy did serve the character, at least for me. It made him feel more real to me, more interesting that he ever was before. I didn't really care for Thor before. He felt like Hemsworth trying to play a character based on the comics. But with Ragnarok and now Infinity War he feels like an actual, realized and definied character that Hemsworth help build, and is now one of my favourites Keep this in mind: making jokes at the expense of your enemy does not mean not taking their threat seriously. If you consider this, maybe a few of your complaints will go away.
It's just the inconsistency of Thor's character that bothers me. There is no actual flow in his Trilogy whatsoever. His character arc is just rinsed and repeated but is made to look "different" with another plot device tool (Ragnarok's being his power). And this time his character has an even greater Ego he never learned from and he spews out lines for comedic relief. The Jokes didn't take me out of the film, there were some that didn't land, it's just when they would cut from scenes with Thor to the ones with Heimdal. Especially when Thor is seeing what Heimdal is experiencing. What is the tone supposed to be? One moment it's a comedy, next its trying to be serious. Nitpicks aside by all means Ragnarok is a very entertaining movie, and I consider it to be better than most in the MCU. I just never really understood why it had such a deep following.
100% percent agree with you. Thor didn't needed some jokes and laughs to be a better movie. He just needed a character arc and the portrayal of the cool and exuberant places of its mythology.
Said this before but it rings true for this video too: You can really see the care you have for these films and the video, which really helps you put across your point, honestly making this one of the most compelling "This is the best... Film" videos I've seen. Honestly man you're videos are awesome. I was a stranger less than a week ago, then I was a subscriber, now I'm a true fan!
I basically agree with you. The problem is that Thor 2 and Avengers 2 were so weak films for Thor that he needed a renewal. And this was definitely successful with "Ragnarok". In my opinion, "Thor" is the better Thor movie, but "Ragnarok" is an overall better movie.
Erik is deep in the science. His childhood was filled with the Scandinavian myths. Watching his realizations throughout the film is my fave part. From an unbelieving scientist - to being able to call that mjolnir is coming before having any sight or sound of it in the moment he truly believes.
I completely agree with you man! Thor 1 is still my fav in the Thor trilogy, it’s a great origin story and has the perfect tone for Thor. Dark World was just...disappointing and not done very well. And Thor Ragnarok, though being fun, felt too much like Guardians and it’s humor and tone shift didn’t go well with the other Thor movies. But I still enjoyed it
Came back to this after re-watching this movie. It's so underrated, and this video does a really good job at explaining why. Also, couldn't help but notice how different your voice is here compared to a lot of more recent videos.
Thankyou for this video. Thor was The first mcu movie i really loved. It was shakespearean and epic. I was like 10 and the fantasy genre wasnt something i was really into. But this was amazing and heartwarming i remember.
Good video! I love Ragnarok it's my favorite Thor movie but it's nice to hear someone appreciate the first Thor movie which I think is great! I'M SOOOOOO EXCITED FOR THOR LOVE AND THUNDER!!!!!!
I don't think I've ever seen someone sum up exactly how I feel about Thor so well and succinctly, I couldn't agree more with this! Extra props for taking the time to touch on the scene with Thor and Jane around the campfire, its such a special one in the movie. Its the characterisation of Thor I miss dearly, and the film allowing the characters to breathe in a way that's not just snark (something I also miss dearly X]) Fantastic job!
Just like the director of Thor 2011 said: Tom Hiddlestom' s performance in this movie is magnificent. Merely his performance in vault and in the ending fight on Bifrost worth payment of the ticket.
What I love about it is how small scale it is. It’s just two brothers having a fight. Yeah there’s larger scale consequences, ie who gets to rule Asgard, but the fight itself is emotional and grounded. It’s one son who’s always felt less loved acting out after he finds out he’s adopted. Another son who’s had everything handed to him now having it taken away. And a father who seems to have spent a lot of their childhood putting them against each other. There’s a lot of self discovery, Thor’s is good and Loki’s is bad, that fuels this fight even more and it never strays from the two of them for long.
Thor is a great Thor movie, but the majority of casual movie goers like the wackiness and humor of Ragnarok which makes it appear to be the "better" movie
Kyle Hill too many uses of Dutch angles are the worst of it, and Dutch angles are the worst. Also it just didn’t do anything fun with the characters or setting overall, it was just boring
Totally agree. I loved the first Thor. It was one of my favorite movies of all time, and I had really high hopes for the future Thor's when I saw the first one. I never could understand the lackluster response it got.
It's so great to find someone who agrees with me about so much! Thor 1 is my favorite Thor for AND marvel film, though the Cap films and Avengers 1&3 are also great. I actually liked Ragnarok quite well from an entertainment standpoint. It was way better than Thor 2, so I was happy.
I can't believe I found someone who agrees with me!!! I was telling this to a friend of mine just a are days back!!! The first thor had heart, and the music was so fitting... I dunno why peoole consider it a meh movie. I actually half expected you to refer to the scene where he tried to lift the hammer and fails, that was one of my favourite scenes...
Finally someone tht knows the superior Thor film. Ragnarok was just colors and laughs. I rlly wish Kenneth Branagh was brought on for TDW and Ragnarok. Such a shame, wasted potential to have a legendary epic shakespearean Thor Trilogy.
HiTop Films wonder why marvel didn’t bring him back. Guess it didn’t resonate with everyone. Most ppl prefer simple laughs and shiny colors (Ragnarok) over a real story (Thor). But I guess those ppl don’t know what’s best for the story.
Eye Glitches yea it was a good film but as a Thor film i think it could’ve been more like the first one with the regal Shakespearean style and drama. Felt emotional and legendary. Ragnarok felt like A guardians of the galaxy movie. It’s a good movie but I feel like it should be more Thor.
I just watched it to kill time today, and I honestly just felt a satisfied, calm, and happy sense of enjoyment. Very simplistic and grounded (literally) story with a clear character arc and warm music. My personally favorite MCU movie is Doctor Strange.
The first Thor movie is easily in my top 5 mcu films as well as being my #1 among the Thor franchise. So underrated and in all honesty I love seeing a Thor film with an epic soundtrack and dramatic scenes rather then 80’s rock music playing in the background and a Thor doing 24/7 jokes. Ragnarok was enjoyable in my opinion. Deffinitely not hating on it its really a great film that Marvel gave to us after Dark World which was horrible but yeah the first Thor movie will always be the #1 to me (my opinions)
Yes! I'm so happy to have found this video. Thor is my favorite of the Phase I movies and I've always thought it received way too much hate. Yes, Thor's redemption moves a bit too quickly, but the story is still a strong one.
I thought i was the only one who preferred Thor 1 over ragnarok lol. But good video, i agree on near enough every point. In terms of being an introduction for the character, i think it does exceedingly well in explaining who he is as a character, and i adore the experiences he goes through.
I feel like many younger people who came late to the mcu haven't seen all of the earlier movies, and that's why Thor 1 is so underrated. I loved the early mcu movies. Thor and Iron Man 1 are still two of my favorites in the series.
My fathers favourite superhero was Thor. When he saw this movie he said it had done it more then justice and choice of director was perfect. I agree. It seemed to go over the heads of the “fans”. They called it boring among other things. It’s one of my favourites and completely overlooked because all people gave a shot about was the avengers movie.
I literally have seen Thor three times and each time forgotten every last detail of the film to the point I don't even remember if I liked it or not, hence the three viewings. I saw Ragnarok for the first time a week ago, watched it again the next day, and yet I cannot stop thinking about it.
In all honesty my liking of the Thor movies goes in order of release: 1 then 2 then 3. Ragnarok was just. . . it gives no emotional weight. SO MUCH happens. Thor's friends dies, Odin dies, Asgard is destroyed. Thor gets power upgrade. And we feel nothing. Thor doesn't even seem to. Ragnarok hides behind spectical and humour. It's fun to watch, but as movie that matters so much to MCU it fails to make it apparent.
I always loved the first Thor movie the best. I didn't know how to put it into words, but I think ever since the First Avengers movie, the studio just kept treating Thor like a running-joke that they didn't know how to use properly. And yet, instead of giving us the caring and growing Thor from the first movie...we just get Jokey-Hoakey-Socially-Awkward "I am Mighty" Thor... Plus, the first film has a sense of Triumph through adversity; and the musical score reflects that; when Thor is deemed worthy and Mjolnir returns to him, that music is SO epic. I don't understand why so many people dislike the original one, but it's honestly their loss.
Kenneth Brannagh(?) Should have directed all 3 Thor films. I felt like he had a vision in mind when he did the first film. He actually made Loki & Odin deep & good. After Avengers Loki became a joke & Odin was just there waiting to die. I feel like Kenneth would have taken TDW to the next level & even tho I enjoyed Ragnarok & had fun but the comedy & music selection really took away from the fact that literally his best friends got killed & entire world was destoryed. I think Kenneth would have handled that much better. Honestly, the most memorable moment in Ragnarok was Thor beating Hulk's ass.
How have I never seen this one!??! This is exactly how I feel about Thor 1 and 3. Ragnorok just doesn't feel like Thor. Thor takes things seriously he's not a comedian and its bothers me even more because the first one got it so right
The real problem with the MCU at the moment is the humour, that while good. Undercuts the gravity of the situations and while the movies have a deeper substance, which is why they are good still. They tend to fail to make you leave the movie feeling like you learnt anything, unlike phase 1 and the first 3 spider-man movies. Yes even with 3 sucking there was still gravity and a lesson to be learnt in that film. The marvel movies really need to get back to the essence of what it means to be a hero and give you something to think about when you leave the theatre. Black panther almost did it but the flashiness and the humour in the middle of serious moments undercut the weight of the film like all the current MCU flicks. You understood the tragedy of the villain but didnt understand what the hero learnt about heroism, only what he learnt about his father and the consequences of his actions.
Thanks for the video essay is fantastic Thor has always been one of my favorite MCU movies and favorite superhero movies of all time. He is my second favorite character in the closest movie in the MCU to this movie that I’ve seen so far is actually black panther, I see those two movies focus more on family in almost any of the others
Fantastic video! I think Thor one is the best, for sure. It’s interesting for me to see that a lot of fans of the mcu never even saw Thor. Or sort of half watched it.
I get why people didn't like Thor 1, but if you just stop and think about his actual character journey in thor 1 then think about his character in thor 3 and 4. It was really absurd, he's supposed to be a 1500 old god who was cocky but then got humbled. The newer movies just make him a stupid joke. Infinity War was closest to his actual character, so will give the russos credit for that. Taika didn't give a flying fk, he just wanted to mess around and make him a clown.
Thor is seriously underrated. Everyone started loving Thor because of Ragnarok. While it is a fun movie, they pulled a 180 with him and just made him a comedic goofball.
About Thor ragnarok, I don’t find it forgettable as I will never forget Thor hitting hella with a lightning bolt then kicking ass on the bridge while amazing music plays in the background. I also won’t forget hulk vs Thor and I also love Jeff Goldblum and he played a great role
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While I don’t think Thor is the best Thor movie, (Thor Ragnarok is my favorite) I do think the first Thor is criminally underrated and I can’t see why people don’t like it. I love it and it’s near or in my top 5 in the MCU.
The best MCU film is, hands down The Winter Soldier.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 is probably the best
HiTop Films love the cap movies. Fave is probs winter soldier. The first Thor is actually very good I rewatched it recently and it is much better than I remember. And I totally agree with the Shakespearean edge.
Thank you so much for giving this underrated movie some credit.
It is so underrated! Thanks for watching the video!
You damn right
Thor is not underrated. The Iron Giant, now THAT'S underrated.
Great video essay, but I would like to make another point.
You’re wrong at 3:50. Thor isn’t trying to save his people, they weren’t in danger. He was trying to save the Frost Giants. Loki was trying to destroy Jotunheim, not Asgard. This makes Thor even more heroic, since he was trying to save a race of people he had been taught to hate his whole life
I forgot about that! That's beautiful, man!
true but thor was technically saving his people from a war, which is what loki was trying to start
@@DarnHooligan Fair Enough
That is Shakespearean. Learn to forgive than seek revenge.
@@DarnHooligan He was trying to destroy the whole realm of Jotunheim. There wouldn't have been anyone left to go to war with.
When Thor’s friends died in 3, i felt my heart get shook and i was like “WHAT?!?! WHY?!” And the movie glosses over it so quickly and without emotion.
That’s really the only thing I didn’t like about 3.
I literally looked at my friend and said "Are we just going to not talk about that?". Thanks for watching!
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I think that we really saw more of that fallout in Infinity War. I think that it should have been seen in Ragnarok, too.
Felt like the producers just wanted to get rid of them
When the general audience has the exact same reaction, it pretty much proves the directors point when he kills them off unceremoniously.
I always thought this, ive always felt thor 1is so underrated, the jokes are on point, and it has a fucking cool story, i like his change, i feel that ragnarok was also good but the jokes were a bit too much, but it is understandable, he now knows what is it to be human and not just an asgardian and a god, but still, thor one is the best
Thanks for watching man! Glad we agree!
More like BHOR
Ruffalo's Banner completely ruined Ragnarok for me. What a bumbling idiot.
I feel the same with captain america tfa
Me too. I enjoyed it a lot.
1) Thor has still the prettiest ending in the whole MCU.
2) More important, in the first movie, Thor doesn't save Asgard, he saves Yotunhaim, the same world he was trying to start a war with at the start of the story, which shows how much he matured.
3) Funny as it is, Ragnarok doesn't make Thor any deeper.
lacrarte zorok Thor and Loki had much needed growth in ragnarok, Thor takes things seriously and he learns from his mistakes of trusting Loki, so yes he does change.
Thor ragnarok begins a redemption/revenge arc for thor. It begins his path to losing everything and failing to kill thanos is part of that
But what about:
- You're gonna be okay?
- Yeah … just … I had a date.
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Omg holy shit easily the best ending out of all of them. Every time I think of captain America I think of that one line.
Just one thing: Even though that's how it would probably be spelt phonetically, it's properly spelt "Jotunheim".
You touch quite a bit on how quaint the first phase was. I really miss how quaint and simple it was
Spencer Ricker phase one felt kind of real for some reason. Like all the new ones just feel like digital garbage tht came outta the marvel factory assembly line. Phase one may not hv had the best plots but it had some quality in the production by the looks of it.
The Chief 16 i think phase 2 did too, ironman 3, winter soldier, and antman felt like phase 1 to me
Xx_nachosupreme69_xX yeah. Those 3 movies had their moments. Especially Antman.
The Chief 16 i think winter soldier is the best mcu movie. That or iron man 1. I dont dislike captain america 1 though. Underrated movie too imo. Just lacked great action scenes. But still awesome cus it layed down foundations of captain america’s beliefs for future movies.
Gebril Bastiaan oh yeah I agree. Cap 1 is severely underrated. I guess the action was kinda mild cuz it was supposed to reflect the simple cheesy action of classic 40s/50s war movies from back in the day. While winter soldier is more modern with badass action from stealth spy movies of today.
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Don't you mean smash like button? 😁
Jorge G. Figueroa no. He meant mug.
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Damn. I gotta rewatch this movie.
You really should, on the 4k Curve!
Same I actually have it on Bluray. I forgot how much I liked the 1st Thor.
The way Brannagh uses night, day, rain, sunshine, to accompany the character arc points and give the story cosmic dimension (the Sun declines as Loki descends into madness and raises to midday as Thor becomes worthy of Mjonir) is just brilliant and one of the things I never see discussed about this grossly underrated movie...
This is the best comment I've read this year - fo real.
makes me think do we get different weather types in the MCU much ? because it’s hard to recall
I always liked the first Thor quite a bit. It's not my favorite MCU film (that would be Iron Man by quite a bit) but I feel Thor doesn't get enough credit in hindsight.
its very underrated, love Iron Man!
Same. iron man 1 is still on top for me, and thor 1 is right up there with Avengers and Winter Soldier imo. I can never love Ragnarok because of the way it disregards the first two thor movies.
@@espo221b My favorite MCU film is The Incredible Hulk, which is another underrated MCU film.
@@aamiraustin5422 i can agree on that
I feel like the first Thor movie had a lot more heart to it, and I loved its Shakespearean theme it had, Thor 2 wasn’t bad, just generic, and Thor Ragnorok was great, but I miss the feeling the first Thor had, I felt like it fit the character of Thor a lot better
Lol so you thought the childish ragnarok movie was great? Oh dear
Couldn't agree more
Ragnarok was trash 🗑️🗑️
I thought that Helas "why" was crystal clear. She was raised as a warrior to see Asgard conquer the realms. Odin failed to enlighten her and banished her. But when she returned her "why" never changed so she was driven to fulfill what had always been her ambition. It's all Odin's fault if u think about it lol
it expands on the earlier movies, in the first thor, laufey calls odin a thief and a murderer.
odin was evil at some point, and when he changed, he had to stop what he had created (hela), he imprisoned her and kept the secret from asgard, but the other realms still knew the real history (like it happens in the real world too) and were waiting to get revenge.
hela is odin's past, what he was before becoming benevolent, a bloodthirsty tyrant who calls herself a god and does whatever she wants whenever she wants, and she likes killing and fighting. it's a simple character but works more like a force of nature character, like the joker.
Bio Kimistry That goodbye scene with Odin, Loki and Thor in Norway was so melancholic. You could feel genuine regret from Odin because he was leaving his boys to clean up the mess he made.
oh yes, that justifies her slaughtering her race without hesitation
methox its almost like she's a goddess of death or something
That Guy you do understand her motivations, but she still seems fairly one dimensional compared to Loki. Loki wasn't always evil, he was just a boy who wanted to be love, and he felt neglected, which is why he turned evil. Hela on the other hand was always evil, even before Odin banished her, she was basically just evil moustache twirling villain who wants power, as Odin once was. Odin was simply willing to change, Hela wasn't. also, Loki's goal is simply to gain the love of Odin, which is extremely sympathetic and relatable. what's Hela's goal? just kill everyone cause she wants power.
Like I said before, Thor is so underappreciated, when it comes from the fantastic score to the amazing visuals. Great job! One of your best video essays!
Thanks! I think it's my favorite one I've done to date.
Juan Flores but we all agree that the blond eyebrows are kinda weird right?
Felipe Trindade Ha yeah
I swear I'm the only one who actually thought Portman was a great match for Hemsworth in the first film.
I think she draws a bit of attention away from where it belongs, but the acting and chemistry was great.
She was trash in Dark World though
She is terrible with too much green screen. That's why her turn as Padme Amidala fell flat. She is a talented actress, but she needs more realistic settings.
I think by that point (The Dark World) she just did not give a shit, and was clearly phoning it in.
Everything was trash in the dark world.
i'm gonna sound cynical but people love to cling to trash, portman was bland and uninspired, the warriors 3 were so generic they were practically plastic action figures designed by poundland, they could only serve to detract from a movie trying to do anything, odin the human exposition device, thor's goal to not become king, asgardian people which have no backstory or interest , taika was merely being the competent filmmaker he is, because a boring filmmaker would try and remake thor dark world, a good film maker does this, now we have memorable characters the grandmaster, valkyrie even bruce banner who really needed somthing, and of course thor, fucking korg is memorable, just some side character dude. This movie does allot, does it well and is hilarious and makes you really feel that og comic thor feel.
No she was ass my opinion. Was stale, and like every other bland love intrest
The first Thor is one of my favourite MCU film to date, along with Civil War.
It is rich in characters/arches, emotions, philosophies, vulnerability, strengths, bondages. Something that I can relate to and understand.
Such roller-coaster ride.
You go back and forth with the protagonist and antagonist. You can understand their motives.
There was alot of power in Thor 1. Any scene with Anthony Hopkins in it was gold. The banishment scene and the scene with Loki in the vault are POWERFUL.
What makes thor the best thor movie:
Dutch angles
Everything you said in this video is perfect! Thor is my favourite MCU movie and it means a LOT to me so thank you for giving it the credit it deserves! Patrick Doyle's soundtrack is my favourite MCU soundtrack as well! And you are right about Ragnarok, it looks nice but it's pretty forgettable: style but no substance. I couldn't really care about the characters seeing that they themselves did not seem to care. Anyway, I'm really curious about your opinion on Winter Soldier, since that is my second favourite MCU film.
Our Next Video Essay is comparing why Winter Solider is so great (imo) and why Man of Steel doesn't work (once again in my opinion, lol)! Thanks for watching!
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I respect your opinion, but saying that Ragnarok didn't care about the characters and had no substance is just stupid.
I love Thor: Ragnarok, but the first Thor has such a special place in my heart. The movie is so underrated; the performances are amazing (it has Loki at his absolute best) and it easily has my favorite or second favorite score/theme in the entire MCU. God, I LOVE this movie.
Ragnarok was great, lots of fun, and I wouldn't call it forgettable. I walked away from it thinking "The Thor moves really did a need a new direction, and they definitely delivered with this one... But I think Thor could be more than the silly antics and cool moments." It was a great side of Thor, but perhaps the best way to see him is a combination of the first and third films.
The darker tone of Infinity War following the events of Ragnarok gave us a Thor I love to see on screen. :)
oh but the tilted shots dont need to make a return hehe
Love it or hate it THOR was the first MCU film I ever watched, I was already someone who liked superheroes (what kid didnt?) But I highly doubt I would be as invested in the MCU without this film, glad to see the love for it
Absolutely! People just decided to piss on the first and second movie, but they were exactly what I wanted.
Ragnarok is fun and all, but it just throws everything but the titular character in the bin.
Finally! Someone who believes Thor: Ragnarok is overrated.
When did he say it's overrated? He just said that Thor is a better Thor movie.
The Thor movie I didn't like, he forgot to mention the bad jokes, the moments that are so ridiculous that take you out of the film, I believe Asgard and New Mexico look ugly in this movie. How boring the side characters are, etc. I didn't quite like most of the movie, only the parts mentioned in this video. (Except the romance, I'm tired of romances).
@@hotelzeta24 you're really going to criticize Thor one for having bad jokes? It might have a few token MCU jokes here and there, but the dialogue overall is Miles better than the zero attention span tick tock comedy that Ragnarok used for all of its dialogue.
I just want to point out Thor's sacrifice is more impressive than you said. He didn't sacrifice for his people as they weren't the ones in danger. He sacrificed for Jotenheim aka the people he viewed as his enimies at the beginning.
I have always liked this film (despite its flaws), and after being underwhelmed by Love and Thunder, it makes me appreciate this even more. As well as the simpler days of the MCU where they can focus on being simpler focused character driven stories instead of being rushed out fine and forgettable stuff
I'm glad the score is getting some appreciation, it's one of my favorites
Just so you know, I keep gravitating towards this video to remind myself of what I strive for in superhero movies. I always thought THOR (2011) was underrated and this video has convinced all my reasonable naysayer friends otherwise. So keep it up, you are "doing the Lord's work" here
I don't tend to rewatch videos... but you guys do a great job of reminding me why I love these movies so much.
Couldn’t agree more. The scene where Thor proves his worth is still my favorite scene in the MCU and still gives chills. I think the Russo’s feel the same because they restrained third comedy so that is was a perfect mixture. They even mimicked that scene with the Thor wakanda scene. If you watch the hammer flies out of the bifrost the same it did out of the lightning and returns to show Thor in all his glory catching it. The problem with ragnarok was too much comedy and the disrespect for the warriors three. Korg was great but Thor should have smashed his face for making that joke when Asgard was destroyed. The one thing it does get credit for is changing the whole magic is science thing. There’s a good video on it by someone. In previous Thor movies Odin says “we’re not gods” but in ragnarok Dr strange is magic and Thor Loki and Hela refer to themselves as gods
I LOVE the first Thor movie! And I'm relieved that this video essay isn't one of the "sarcasm" type. It is the movie in which both the hero and the villain stuck in my head and I love them both! It's definitely a first in my movie-watching experience :D Also I love the establish of Asgard - the set design is so good I brought it in one of my 3D course project lol The only complaint I have about the movie is that the development of Thor from a brash, arrogant jock to a caring, self-sacrifice "worthy" character is quite rush so it's hard for me to feel much when he "changed".
“No, Loki.”
Low-key one of the best MCU moments. (See what I didn’t there? 🥁)
That was really sad
Bruh
Ragranok is mediocre for me. But Thor is the best!
Thor is a good movie but I felt like Ragnarok was a Spiderman 2 to Thors Spiderman.Underneath all the humor is a much deeper movie .It had Asgard reckoning with its past colonialism and tied it to characters who had to overcome their past (Valkyrie,Hulk) .
Thor and Loki also had some much needed growth.
I agree about the growth part, Loki especially had a great arc. Thor, to me, is still one of the best Marvel Movies. I just love pretty much every aspect of it. Thanks for watching!
I don't think Ragnarok is deep, it's just that it's not freaking boring.
You make good points. Those were all good themes in Ragnarok. However I wish those things were at the forefront of the movie. The stuff about Asgard Odin Thor Loki hela. The good story is still there but it’s just surrounded by the covers of the flashy colorful Sakaar and the grandmaster hulk plot.
Agreed. The scene where they escape, where Thor accepts who his brother is - a trixter and basically giving up on changing him, the ending where Loki decides to be good, and the very end where they hug. All of that showed an intense change in who Loki chooses to be.
Ragnarok is weird.
It’s highly entertaining, but it lacks heart and emotional resonance (at least for me).
The comedy was so heavy handed that I just couldn’t bring myself to care about the characters.
All of the heartfelt moments were cheapened by jokes (Asgard exploding) or rushed (Odin’s death).
2:59 Thor thinking about his home and then 3:04 he looks at Jane. Does this mean he is in a conflict in whether to settle on Earth as a simple man or return to Asgard as a God?
I mean that's a really compelling argument, and I totally see your point, but I don't agree. It might be because of my opinion of Ragnarok (I'm one who grades it the best in the trilogy), but bear with me.
The structure of T1...is perfect. It presents the normal world, then throws the character into an adventure where he can have an arch. He grows, comes back and the normal world changes. It's textbooks material, really. But I feel like something is missing, like an emotional core. Probably isn't the best term. What I mean is that I don't see WHY Thor changes, or WHY does he falls in love with Jane. The movie gives us a perfect structure of Thor is arrogant - Thor is thrust on Earth - Thor learns humility and falls in love with Jane - Thor returns triumphant and proves he has grown, but it doesn't gives us specific moments that make the journey resonant.
Yes, Thor sacrificing the chance of seeing Jane again to save the Jotuns, the ones he tried to kill in the beginning, it's a great plot point...but I don't know where Thor learned to be this heroic, and I don't know when or why did he fall in love with Jane, I don't see the romance, so it doesn't hit me as much as it should.
Basically, what I'm getting at, it's that.the movie has potential but everything on Earth kinda squanders that. Thor heroism in the Destroyer scene really comes out of nowhere, because Thor on Earth is a static character. The only moment of development he has is the Midpoint, when he fails to lift the hammer, but we don't see him questioning himself after that. I'm not saying I needed monologues or detalied dialogues of how he understands that he's been arrogant, but there is nothing in the movie that suggest growth, or an epiphany.
Also, the parts on Earth are very visually flat and boring
And about Ragnarok...I feel compelled to defend it.
I feel like its comedic tone might be threw some people off and cloud judgement. I know this feels kind of pretentious and condescending, but I swear I don't want to be,
But I really disagree about some points that you made.
Thor is NOT nonchalant. Just because he makes a few more gags than usual doesn't mean he doesn't care. Everything he does is to protect Asgard and its people.
Loki is NOT a punchline. You nailed the point of Loki...he wants to be loved and accepted. And Ragnarok stays true to that. The first scene with him shows that. He had the kingdom at his feet. He could have done anything with it, but he chooses to put up a stupid play and a statue...so that people could love him, remember him the way he wants. And the finale builds on that: Loki still does what he does because he wants to, but he has the chance to be a real savior to Asgard for once, to EARN his people love, and his grabs it.
In the first film he makes up a plan to make himself look good...in the third he has a real chance, and he fights for it. I mean, I liked this.
Also, I don't fully get the complaint about Hela...yeah, her motivation are not fleshed out, like, at all, but T3 is not a movie made for that type of villain, like Zemo or Loki. She's a colonizer. We've had real colonizer. I don't find her hard to accept, because I know what drove those real people and I just project that on her.
Maybe it's the wrong thing to do, or maybe I say this just because I liked Hela as a villain...Idk.
But I'm gonna give you a thumbs up nonetheless. This was a good video, and you made your point of view very clear.
Thank you if you've read through this wall, and keep it up
Hey thanks for the long comment. You pointed out a lot of things I never noticed about Ragnarock (Loki's Character Growth), and I'm definitely going to rewatch it with your view point in mind. I do think you are correct about comedy throwing people off (myself included). I think some of the film is genuinely hilarious, but a lot of jokes don't land for me, and end up taking away from the deeper elements of the film, for me. I'll definitely rewatch it in the upcoming months, and comment back here if I have any new thoughts. Thanks again!
Yes, all of this. Thor's "character development" was really sudden in the first movie. He was only one failure away from turning into a nice, humble, selfless hero? Ehhhh....
What mostly bothered me about Thor/Jane was that we were supposed to believe they were this great love story and oh what a great sacrifice it is for Thor that he won't be seeing her again! After knowing each other for about two days.... Yeah, no. Didn't buy it.
The third movie literally starts with Thor trying to stop Ragnarok in order to protect his home and people and then Thor's entire motivation throughout the movie is to get back to Asgard so he can save his people from Hela. Seriously, how is that not caring anymore?
Hela's motivations were obvious, they just weren't complex. She was raised as a conqueror all her life until Odin had a change of heart and decided to imprison her when she wouldn't obey him. Once she was free she saw herself as the rightful queen of Asgard since she was Odin's oldest child and decided Asgard would resume its former imperialism. It's unfair to compare her to Loki anyway, because he's basically the only good villain of the entire MCU.
Ragnarok is far from prefect. How they handled Bruce's anxiety over forever turning into the Hulk was pretty terrible, tbh. But for the first time ever I actually cared about Thor and it's definitely not forgettable to me.
Err...I don't know.
"I have to disagree with Thor being all about Asgard" you can, I guess, but I don't see how: in the first scene he meets with Surtur because he had dreams of Asgard burning and he wanted to prevent that; from when Hela threw him off the bridge his only goal was to get back on Asgard and gathering allies to fight her. There is not a single point in the movie when "beating Hela and saving Asgard" is not his primary objective. Just because there are more jokes now doesn't mean he has no goal.
Saying that his behaviour with Hela and Surtur is the same "unworthy" behaviour he had in the first Thor is WAY exaggerated. In the first Thor he was an homicidal maniac with the desperate need of proving himself. In Ragnarok he makes a few self-aware jokes. "You are just the worst" and invading an alien planet with the intention of subjugating an entire race are NOT the same thing. And it's not like "It's that the best you can do?" said to Ultron is really that different. Thor has always been a little of a braggart. In Ragnarok everything is just in a more comedic tone because, well, it's a comedy. But that doesn't mean Thor won't fight. He fights. Both Surtur and Hela. He fights for Asgard. That is undeniable.
Also, the point of Thor is to be humble and not go in search of war. Not to specifically respect your enemy. Yes, he saves the Jotuns at the end, but that's more to bring the narration full circle. And I'm not saying it can't be the case. It certainly can. It's a nice point of view. But Surtur threatened to lay waste to all Asgard, and Hela did lay waste to it, in addition to actually killing asgardians. He has absolutely no reason to respect them, no reason not to rib them with a few, honestly harmless, jokes.
"Thor has never been a self aware joke" Just because something wasn't tried out before, doesn't mean they shouldn't try it out
"Thor just shouldn’t be this self aware and meta" Such rule does not exist
And to be honest with you, I feel like the comedy did serve the character, at least for me. It made him feel more real to me, more interesting that he ever was before. I didn't really care for Thor before. He felt like Hemsworth trying to play a character based on the comics. But with Ragnarok and now Infinity War he feels like an actual, realized and definied character that Hemsworth help build, and is now one of my favourites
Keep this in mind: making jokes at the expense of your enemy does not mean not taking their threat seriously. If you consider this, maybe a few of your complaints will go away.
@@PanelVulture Agree MCU fanboys think a character cracking jokes means they are interesting such superficial and restrictive way of thinking.
It's just the inconsistency of Thor's character that bothers me. There is no actual flow in his Trilogy whatsoever. His character arc is just rinsed and repeated but is made to look "different" with another plot device tool (Ragnarok's being his power). And this time his character has an even greater Ego he never learned from and he spews out lines for comedic relief.
The Jokes didn't take me out of the film, there were some that didn't land, it's just when they would cut from scenes with Thor to the ones with Heimdal. Especially when Thor is seeing what Heimdal is experiencing. What is the tone supposed to be? One moment it's a comedy, next its trying to be serious.
Nitpicks aside by all means Ragnarok is a very entertaining movie, and I consider it to be better than most in the MCU. I just never really understood why it had such a deep following.
Funny, emotional, and well written Thor was.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
100% percent agree with you. Thor didn't needed some jokes and laughs to be a better movie. He just needed a character arc and the portrayal of the cool and exuberant places of its mythology.
Said this before but it rings true for this video too: You can really see the care you have for these films and the video, which really helps you put across your point, honestly making this one of the most compelling "This is the best... Film" videos I've seen. Honestly man you're videos are awesome. I was a stranger less than a week ago, then I was a subscriber, now I'm a true fan!
I basically agree with you. The problem is that Thor 2 and Avengers 2 were so weak films for Thor that he needed a renewal. And this was definitely successful with "Ragnarok". In my opinion, "Thor" is the better Thor movie, but "Ragnarok" is an overall better movie.
Erik is deep in the science. His childhood was filled with the Scandinavian myths. Watching his realizations throughout the film is my fave part. From an unbelieving scientist - to being able to call that mjolnir is coming before having any sight or sound of it in the moment he truly believes.
I completely agree with you man! Thor 1 is still my fav in the Thor trilogy, it’s a great origin story and has the perfect tone for Thor.
Dark World was just...disappointing and not done very well.
And Thor Ragnarok, though being fun, felt too much like Guardians and it’s humor and tone shift didn’t go well with the other Thor movies. But I still enjoyed it
Came back to this after re-watching this movie. It's so underrated, and this video does a really good job at explaining why. Also, couldn't help but notice how different your voice is here compared to a lot of more recent videos.
THOR is my favorite. It just feels like Thor. Phase 1 is so underrated
That intro...
Goosebumps
Thor films have the most beautiful scores in the MCU.
Thankyou for this video. Thor was The first mcu movie i really loved. It was shakespearean and epic. I was like 10 and the fantasy genre wasnt something i was really into. But this was amazing and heartwarming i remember.
Good video! I love Ragnarok it's my favorite Thor movie but it's nice to hear someone appreciate the first Thor movie which I think is great! I'M SOOOOOO EXCITED FOR THOR LOVE AND THUNDER!!!!!!
I don't think I've ever seen someone sum up exactly how I feel about Thor so well and succinctly, I couldn't agree more with this! Extra props for taking the time to touch on the scene with Thor and Jane around the campfire, its such a special one in the movie. Its the characterisation of Thor I miss dearly, and the film allowing the characters to breathe in a way that's not just snark (something I also miss dearly X])
Fantastic job!
Very, very unappreciated, underrated movie! Really made me very senty.
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed the video, Tommy!
Just like the director of Thor 2011 said: Tom Hiddlestom' s performance in this movie is magnificent.
Merely his performance in vault and in the ending fight on Bifrost worth payment of the ticket.
Hahahahaha your use of the dying Loki actor is amazing
What I love about it is how small scale it is. It’s just two brothers having a fight. Yeah there’s larger scale consequences, ie who gets to rule Asgard, but the fight itself is emotional and grounded. It’s one son who’s always felt less loved acting out after he finds out he’s adopted. Another son who’s had everything handed to him now having it taken away. And a father who seems to have spent a lot of their childhood putting them against each other. There’s a lot of self discovery, Thor’s is good and Loki’s is bad, that fuels this fight even more and it never strays from the two of them for long.
Thor is a great Thor movie, but the majority of casual movie goers like the wackiness and humor of Ragnarok which makes it appear to be the "better" movie
I don’t think ragnarok is the best movie ever but I think it’s definitely the best as you can only go up from rock bottom, the first Thor was abysmal
Thebinginchingmcdingding Why was the first Thor abysmal?
Kyle Hill it was just boring and unimaginative. Also the cinematography is kinda bad too.
Thebinginchingmcdingding What's wrong with the cinematography? How is it unimaginative? Can you please give examples? Just curious.
Kyle Hill too many uses of Dutch angles are the worst of it, and Dutch angles are the worst. Also it just didn’t do anything fun with the characters or setting overall, it was just boring
Totally agree. I loved the first Thor. It was one of my favorite movies of all time, and I had really high hopes for the future Thor's when I saw the first one. I never could understand the lackluster response it got.
It's so great to find someone who agrees with me about so much! Thor 1 is my favorite Thor for AND marvel film, though the Cap films and Avengers 1&3 are also great. I actually liked Ragnarok quite well from an entertainment standpoint. It was way better than Thor 2, so I was happy.
Thanks man! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I can't believe I found someone who agrees with me!!! I was telling this to a friend of mine just a are days back!!! The first thor had heart, and the music was so fitting... I dunno why peoole consider it a meh movie.
I actually half expected you to refer to the scene where he tried to lift the hammer and fails, that was one of my favourite scenes...
I always ranked Thor in Top 5 MCU movies & re watched it more than Most MCU movies
Thank you for making this. I am so tired of people saying the Thor movies are the weakest in the mcu
Finally someone tht knows the superior Thor film. Ragnarok was just colors and laughs. I rlly wish Kenneth Branagh was brought on for TDW and Ragnarok. Such a shame, wasted potential to have a legendary epic shakespearean Thor Trilogy.
I think TDW would've been a thousand times better with a better director like Branagh. Thanks for watching!
HiTop Films wonder why marvel didn’t bring him back. Guess it didn’t resonate with everyone. Most ppl prefer simple laughs and shiny colors (Ragnarok) over a real story (Thor). But I guess those ppl don’t know what’s best for the story.
Eye Glitches yea it was a good film but as a Thor film i think it could’ve been more like the first one with the regal Shakespearean style and drama. Felt emotional and legendary. Ragnarok felt like A guardians of the galaxy movie. It’s a good movie but I feel like it should be more Thor.
Pretty nuch mcu fanboys definition of a good film is comedy and chracter cracking jokes meaning a better film which is false.
I just watched it to kill time today, and I honestly just felt a satisfied, calm, and happy sense of enjoyment. Very simplistic and grounded (literally) story with a clear character arc and warm music.
My personally favorite MCU movie is Doctor Strange.
The first Thor movie is easily in my top 5 mcu films as well as being my #1 among the Thor franchise. So underrated and in all honesty I love seeing a Thor film with an epic soundtrack and dramatic scenes rather then 80’s rock music playing in the background and a Thor doing 24/7 jokes. Ragnarok was enjoyable in my opinion. Deffinitely not hating on it its really a great film that Marvel gave to us after Dark World which was horrible but yeah the first Thor movie will always be the #1 to me (my opinions)
Yes! I'm so happy to have found this video. Thor is my favorite of the Phase I movies and I've always thought it received way too much hate. Yes, Thor's redemption moves a bit too quickly, but the story is still a strong one.
The first Thor was actually amazing, some aspects were meh, however overall I loved it.
Completely agree the score and Shakespearean tone of the first thor is something that was sadlyost in the latter thor and mcu films
best one yet! guardians 1 is my favorite MCU film!
Love Guardians!
I thought i was the only one who preferred Thor 1 over ragnarok lol. But good video, i agree on near enough every point. In terms of being an introduction for the character, i think it does exceedingly well in explaining who he is as a character, and i adore the experiences he goes through.
Great video as always! I liked Thor, but i loved Ragnarok.
Thanks for watching buddy!
I feel like many younger people who came late to the mcu haven't seen all of the earlier movies, and that's why Thor 1 is so underrated. I loved the early mcu movies. Thor and Iron Man 1 are still two of my favorites in the series.
Gotta say man.... I Love Your Videos
Thank you so much!
My fathers favourite superhero was Thor. When he saw this movie he said it had done it more then justice and choice of director was perfect. I agree. It seemed to go over the heads of the “fans”. They called it boring among other things. It’s one of my favourites and completely overlooked because all people gave a shot about was the avengers movie.
Infinity War has the best Thor,not just because of the epicness of Thor,but also the sadness and tragic of Thor lossing everyone he love
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Dude thanks for all the videos, I can't stop watching each of 'em. God bless you!
I literally have seen Thor three times and each time forgotten every last detail of the film to the point I don't even remember if I liked it or not, hence the three viewings. I saw Ragnarok for the first time a week ago, watched it again the next day, and yet I cannot stop thinking about it.
Chris Carbine yeah plus it's the closest thing we've gotten to another Hulk movie since The Incredible Hulk
Yeah. It's definitely grown on me. I also liked Dark World, though. Ragnarok has grown on me, but I agree with you on that, too.
In all honesty my liking of the Thor movies goes in order of release: 1 then 2 then 3.
Ragnarok was just. . . it gives no emotional weight. SO MUCH happens. Thor's friends dies, Odin dies, Asgard is destroyed. Thor gets power upgrade. And we feel nothing. Thor doesn't even seem to.
Ragnarok hides behind spectical and humour. It's fun to watch, but as movie that matters so much to MCU it fails to make it apparent.
Finally...so glad I’ve found your channel.
I always loved the first Thor movie the best. I didn't know how to put it into words, but I think ever since the First Avengers movie, the studio just kept treating Thor like a running-joke that they didn't know how to use properly. And yet, instead of giving us the caring and growing Thor from the first movie...we just get Jokey-Hoakey-Socially-Awkward "I am Mighty" Thor...
Plus, the first film has a sense of Triumph through adversity; and the musical score reflects that; when Thor is deemed worthy and Mjolnir returns to him, that music is SO epic. I don't understand why so many people dislike the original one, but it's honestly their loss.
Kenneth Brannagh(?) Should have directed all 3 Thor films. I felt like he had a vision in mind when he did the first film. He actually made Loki & Odin deep & good. After Avengers Loki became a joke & Odin was just there waiting to die. I feel like Kenneth would have taken TDW to the next level & even tho I enjoyed Ragnarok & had fun but the comedy & music selection really took away from the fact that literally his best friends got killed & entire world was destoryed. I think Kenneth would have handled that much better. Honestly, the most memorable moment in Ragnarok was Thor beating Hulk's ass.
How have I never seen this one!??! This is exactly how I feel about Thor 1 and 3. Ragnorok just doesn't feel like Thor. Thor takes things seriously he's not a comedian and its bothers me even more because the first one got it so right
I usually don’t comment videos but this one was worth it keep working hard!
Thor was a real hero, not this new Ironman/Starlord clown from Ragnarok
This videa almost made me cry buddy, nice work!
Thanks man!
Thank you for reminding me why I love this movie so much
Thank you for watching Leo!
The real problem with the MCU at the moment is the humour, that while good. Undercuts the gravity of the situations and while the movies have a deeper substance, which is why they are good still. They tend to fail to make you leave the movie feeling like you learnt anything, unlike phase 1 and the first 3 spider-man movies. Yes even with 3 sucking there was still gravity and a lesson to be learnt in that film. The marvel movies really need to get back to the essence of what it means to be a hero and give you something to think about when you leave the theatre. Black panther almost did it but the flashiness and the humour in the middle of serious moments undercut the weight of the film like all the current MCU flicks. You understood the tragedy of the villain but didnt understand what the hero learnt about heroism, only what he learnt about his father and the consequences of his actions.
Thanks for the video essay is fantastic Thor has always been one of my favorite MCU movies and favorite superhero movies of all time. He is my second favorite character in the closest movie in the MCU to this movie that I’ve seen so far is actually black panther, I see those two movies focus more on family in almost any of the others
Fantastic video! I think Thor one is the best, for sure. It’s interesting for me to see that a lot of fans of the mcu never even saw Thor. Or sort of half watched it.
Thank you! I think it's a very underrated movie.
Bro! I 1000000000000000% agree with you. Finally someone with taste and understanding of what actually matters in story telling
I get why people didn't like Thor 1, but if you just stop and think about his actual character journey in thor 1 then think about his character in thor 3 and 4. It was really absurd, he's supposed to be a 1500 old god who was cocky but then got humbled. The newer movies just make him a stupid joke. Infinity War was closest to his actual character, so will give the russos credit for that. Taika didn't give a flying fk, he just wanted to mess around and make him a clown.
I've always liked the first Thor but this video made me appreciate it even more
I'm glad you liked it man!
As a fan of Kenneth Branagh, just miss him playing some role, it would have been great as Odin. Thor is a great movie anyway :)
Thor is seriously underrated. Everyone started loving Thor because of Ragnarok. While it is a fun movie, they pulled a 180 with him and just made him a comedic goofball.
Is it just me or, visually speaking, does Asgard looks the most beautiful in the first Thor movie?
I don't agree with a lot of stuff you say on the channel but this one I agree with you 100 %
God I love Spider-Man 2
Wow you changed my mind about this movie you absolutely NAILED this.
This is My daily dose of "Thor is the best Thor movie".
This is the movie that got me into the MCU
So thank you, for making this movie justice
About Thor ragnarok, I don’t find it forgettable as I will never forget Thor hitting hella with a lightning bolt then kicking ass on the bridge while amazing music plays in the background. I also won’t forget hulk vs Thor and I also love Jeff Goldblum and he played a great role
Great video bro, currently bingeing your vids
I remember not liking the first Thor. I remember watching it again while preparing for infinity war and I love it. It's a great film.