Anglican Unscripted 872 - That Last Supper Thing...
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God will not be mocked... Paris watch out
Equally, G-d is not mocked - Church of England, watch out!
From a congreant in my local C of E church in the UK. The C of E leadership has been bad for decades, and getting worse, but has a long way to go to be as bad as the RCC...
Paris: Vengeance is mine says the LORD, I will repay. Watch this space.
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Personally, I thought the French opening ceremony was dismal. - South Korea introduced as North Korea,
- the last supper re-enactment,
- The boat parade of nations,
- the non French people as singers (Canadian and American).
- the playing of the wrong anthem for the South Sudanese.
......otherwise ok?
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Congrats on the 10,000 )) not that it’s about numbers )) I’d listen if it was just me listening 🤔, I enjoy your content and find it honest truthful and joyful ) 🥳 I thought the opening ceremony was a great reflection of the lost world we live in and the barrows that satan wants to push, it was abhorrent in many ways but a great testimony to the spiritual battle that rages.
There are people who reject Christianity and there are Christians who reject them. That "art" was the result of the latter. They've given up
The Bishop of Oswestry has written a message to Her Excellency the Ambassador of France concerning the Opening Ceremony of the Paris Olympic Games:
Your Excellency,
I wish to express in the strongest terms the revulsion I felt, along with very many millions of Christians worldwide, at the scenes from the Opening Ceremony of the Olympic Games in Paris. The mockery of Da Vinci's The Last Supper was an appalling and offensive error on the part of those whose responsibility it was to represent France to the world. What ought to have been a celebration of the nobility and beauty of French culture, and the all-embracing spirit of the Olympic Movement, became at the organisers' hands an international broadcast of blasphemy which has done France grave dishonour. No one should be in any doubt that Da Vinci's depiction of the Last Supper of the Lord, because of its historical and devotional significance to Christians, is emblematic of the Holy Eucharist itself. To subject this image to such mockery was to ridicule what it depicts - the gift by Jesus Christ of himself to the Church in the Holy Eucharist. It is simply unthinkable that the organisers of the Opening Ceremony would ever have considered ridiculing an equivalent rite, image, or event of any other religion in this way.
I respectfully ask you to ensure that these comments are passed on to those with the authority to hold the individuals responsible to account.
Faithfully yours,
✠Paul Oswestriensis
Chair of Forward in Faith no less. He should hire Dr Who to covey his displeasure to Jan van Bijlert who painted "The Feast of the Gods" in 1635 with (apparently) more than a passing similarity to Leonardo's Last Supper (1495). Clearly the Bishop's academic background in Mediaeval English failed to alert him to the history of art - or French decadence!
Congratulations for 10k subs bros. Greeting from Poland to my favourite clergy.
Hello George, Did you speak about the "Last Supper Thing" in your Sunday sermon?
Yes - sign, signifier, signified - semiotic theory and understanding. Last Supper flap was an introduction to John 6 and the crowd wanting to make Jesus king. What were they seeing, thinking, hearing that prompted this response?
Speak the truth and shame the devil.
The money comes from the Ephesian fund. That is the withheld parish share. All CEEC churches were encouraged to send there parish share to the Ephesian fund.
Xenophon had his Ten Thousand in Anabasis and now you guys have! Well done!
Welby and the majority of the bishops sold their souls years ago in my opinion
Justin Welby, Archlayperson of Canterbury.
I did not understand the Alliance but this sounds positive. Also, what kept on running through my mind. Was the bible verse.
'Yet I will leave seven thousand in Israel all the knees that have not bowed to Baal.'
Thank you for the update.
❤ Ref.Esv Kings1. 19:18
What with our nurses shortage, qualified immigrants being physician's assistants is a good deal for both us and them.
A tough listen, but it all needs to be said.
At last 10000
Good news from St Helens Bishopsgate.
Regarding Paris why are we so surprised at modern unbelievers acting like ... unbelievers?!
They've given up on Christianity because of people like you Ken. It's a shame
Can you imagine the response if the director had made an Islamic parody? We are an easy target because of what we are...
At 24:56 in a similar vein were the bizarre 1992 Barcelona Olympics Opening Ceremony which included ancient sailing ships covered with writhing bodies, some smeared in blood, which are menaced by a giant Covid virus and a pair of huge bull-horns (which I initially took for a croissant).
congratulations on your 1000 subscribers. always a great commentary on church and christian life everywhere . Incidentally, the reason why we are not told the identity of the the Southport massacre criminal is because he is a minor and therefore cannot ,by English Law , be named Paris..SIlly and demonic, most certainly!!!
The opening ceremony was an absolute disgrace from start to finish, I for one was offended big time by it. I have found the games difficult to watch as it’s been spoilt for me.
YAY!!!
Dear Kevin and George you missed the big tell in the various interviews in the video from Rector Willaim Taylor of St Helens Bishopgate . That a current Kings Counsel and retired High Court Judge agreed to be interviewed and were fully supportive of this step surely has some meaning .The Alliance have I am sure a very solid long term legal framework for these steps and the ones coming in the future .This is just one of early steps towards a seperate province while staying in the C of E they are not going to leave. The situation legally is vastly different in UK than for other countries Churches as this State Church. The real telling question from House of Bishops and General Synod is they refused to publish the Legal Opinion.That they refused seems to give credence that legal opinion is not likely favourable to those supporting LLF . These Alliance churches are strong and are both well funded and have strong leadership resources. Bless those who took the step and those of Alliance churches and leadership. There has been 3 provinces before in C of E I suggest to you this is likely to happen again.
So this is purely a legal matter: and is not an ethical issue, requiring discussion? That way lies CHURCHianity; not the dynamism of a CHRISTianity, which is able to change its views on war, and slavery, and the position of women; away from St Paul's interpretations.
Glennjk-k71, did you write your blog before knowing that the Alliance allows persons not ordained to preside at the Lord's Supper? It seems a new denomination is in formation rather than a new province.
@@royquick-s5n Nobody "allows" Christians to preside at the Lord's Supper, or Eucharist. Any Christian, when gathered with others, and if they are gathered for that reason, can recall "the night when he was betrayed"; using bread and wine to do so. In extremis, perhaps other 'elements' might be utilised. It is GOD who is active in the Eucharist: not 'priests'.
@@Mark_Dyer1 Disagree. Are you an Anglican? Yes, congregants are participants in the Eucharist. Yes, God is active in the Eucharist. Please indicate or show an Anglican official pronouncement, canon, rubric, that supports that anyone other than an ordained priest or bishop is authorized to celebrate the Eucharist. Further, all bearing the Christian label do not believe what occurs in the Eucharist as defined in Anglican catechisms, e.g. 1928 BCP, 1977 BCP, and the ACNA catechism, To Be A Christian.
@@royquick-s5n Raised as Scottish Episcopalian/Church of England; and - as usual - 'confirmed' before time by Rt Rev Oliver Alison, Bishop of the Sudan, in RAF Khormaksar, ADEN. Yemen. Studied Theology at university; but became RGN. Remain an unattached Christian; with a sense of gratitude to the C of E. Anything else?
Where is Anglicanism going? Commissioned ministers, not ordained, preside at the Lord's Supper. The Alliance may respect traditional biblical moral on sexual conduct but seems to have little or no respect for who may administer the sacraments. 🤨
The efficacy of the Holy Eucharist is compromised by this recent action within the C of E. Surely this isn't the objective of establishing "ministers".
When those in "official" capacity are failing, those capable need to act.
@@Toetalwar Only an ordained priest or an ordained bishop may celebrate the Holy Eucharist. It has been that way since the apostles. Some would add only a male priest or only a male bishop may celebrate the Holy Eucharist. Celebration by anyone not ordained to be priest or bishop, is phony, a sham, invalid, especially where the historic episcopacy (some would specify "apostolic succession') exists, which some Low Church, Evangelicals, within Anglicanism seem to disrespect. It is the way of schismatics, heretics, and excommunicated, and the way of those who have broken away from the Anglican Churches in the past. Elizabeth I was careful to preserve the apostolic succession in the Elizabethan Settlement.🤔
@@royquick-s5n How can you say a Lord's Supper conducted by a layman is "invalid"? Please quote an apostolic command on that.
@@davidmorrison2739 Quote me an apostolic command that it is not. We belong to the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. Within that, specifically for Anglicans, an ordained priest or bishop has always been the celebrant of the Eucharist. It is in canon law, and it is in the Book of Common Prayer. It is the perpetuation of the way that it has been done from the Early Church till today. It is not only me saying it.🙂
I don't watch the Olympics anyway. It's just not my thing.
1. With the recent clergy resignations, it appears that the Episcopal Church simply is not Pollyannish about polyamory.
2. After reaching 10,000 viewers, would this be the next numerical threshold for Anglican Unscripted to attain? "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads." (Revelation 14:1, KJV)
3. And if the King James Bible was good enough for St. John the Evangelist, then that's good enough for me.
It would seem to be the other way around. Revelation (ascribed to St. John the Evangelist) was good enough to be included in the King James Version of the Bible, although it had been included in the Great Bible beforehand, and the Vulgate before that.
LOL love it
Well, if the Book of Revelation was good enough to be included in the 1611 Authorized Version of the King James Bible and the Great Bible and Vulgate beforehand, so were The Third Book of Esdras, The Fourth Book of Esdras, The Book of Tobias,
The Book of Judith, The rest of the Book of Esther, The Book of Wisdom, Jesus the Son of Sirach, Baruch the Prophet, The Song of the Three Children, The Story of Susanna
Of Bel and the Dragon, The Prayer of Manasses, The First Book of Maccabees and The Second Book of Maccabees.
@@annakimborahpa Anna, the Apocrypha was included in the King James version. You might be able find copies still being use or on the shelves somewhere. Some Protestant churches removed it. The Roman Catholic Church calls them the deuterocanonical books, but even its rendition does not honor or follow their original place in the Bible, which may be found in the Septuagint, the Old Testament (in Greek) used when Christ walked the earth and quoted in the New Testament. If you want to see their original place, buy a Bible put out by the Eastern Orthodox Churches, e.g. OSB, Orthodox Study Bible.
Well, if the New King James Version translation was good enough for the Orthodox Study Bible, then that's good enough for me.
In the UK we have been told that the Southport attacker is a 17 year old boy from Wales whose parents emigrated from Rwandan.
Might have been born in Wales, but he's not of Wales.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH RESIST RESUST RESIST
Welby: dissapointing again and again and yet again.
For heaven's sake: if you two can't get to grips with the correct use of United Kingdom vs England, just stop mentioning us. But of course, you'd then have nothing to talk about.
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George, was the name you had in the American press 2 days ago the correct name of this 17 year old whose name as has just been released today in the British press?
I would be interested to know the answer to your question. The name that I had come across on the internet was unlike the name made public later in the week.
Riots are continuing to take place in England. Our goverment say it is all fuelled by ‘disinformation’ which was released on social media about Axel Rudakubana being Muslim and an asylum seeker. His parents from Rwanda have lived in the UK for 20 years. Nobody knows whether he has links to Islam.
FWIW, I’ve been subscribed for years but I never get notifications.
Neither do I.
Surprise.The artistic creative director is gay!!
Does it take much thought that the Olympic opening fiasco was directed at what remains as a principal obstacle to the woke, to LGBTQ, to "gay rights"?
Explains it adequatwly
The talk of how irregular it is for unordained people to celebrate a eucharist. Let’s not forget the actual creed of anglicanism is: who says? Who says I can’t? It’s 50 years since the flakes began ordaining flakey women. Why? Answer was then and now, who says? What EXACTLY would happen to anyone, that’s ANYONE who decides they want to celebrate a eucharist. What could anyone do? It’s called the Anglican Settlement. A Swiss Army knife that allows anything anytime.
Elizabeth I was careful to preserve the apostolic succession in the "Elizabethan Settlement." In Anglican Churches for time immemorial priests and bishops have been the celebrants of Holy Eucharist. Show me or anyone where in Anglican canon law or in the Books of Common Prayer, anyone who is not ordained to be a priest or bishop may celebrate the Holy Eucharist.
I prefer women priests, from my experience they really understand the new covenant. Alot of these old school male priests walking around in frocks and havin "somber veneration" believe Jesus is still on the cross. Womyn know what it means to believe like children: Purity of heart, and purity of intent. Men are too burdened by shame and guilt. If I had to do funerals day in and day out (or lived with a lawyer) I'd be the same way
@@royquick-s5n there's some nuance to it. Womyn see how children transform from happy joyful curious loving people into the joyless mean spirited hypocritical humorless (I'm thinking of evangelicals mostly) people the minute they learn shame and guilt, conditional love, violence. Shame and guilt are like self replicating mind viruses; one generation to the next. If you're going to believe like a child, you have to know what it means. Just my two cents
I believe in doing things "decently and in order" and therefore I think that in general presiding at the Lord's Supper should be the province of ordained people, possibly deacons as well as priests. But I also believe that any group of Christians can gather, eat and drink in remembrence that Christ died for them, and thus have a "valid" communion or Eucharist. If people happen to believe in the Real Presence, to suggest that God requires a man-ordained priest to incant certain words over the elements before Christ enters them is simply indulging in Christianised superstitution. God is not limited by what man does.
@@davidmorrison2739 Disagree, David, for reasons previously stated under the blog "Where is Anglicanism going?" I have noticed a change occurring in Anglicanism. People are entering the church from other denominations with concepts alien to Anglicanism. It may be due to seminaries, no longer totally Anglican. We are familiar with a lay monitor on another web site who writes extensively as an authority, yet he went to an interdenominational seminary, where he had only one instructor who was Episcopalian, and he would not divulge what standing that instructor had in the church. I have been saying for quite some time, check out the credentials of Anglican clergy. Again, find in the canon law or even within a Book of Common Prayer that anyone other than an ordained priest or bishop may celebrate the Eucharist. 🙂
Kevin god fixes the broken not you😮
Just so you know advocates for conservative and liberal theology dont map onto political affiliation. There's no correlation.
King Charlie boy is a direct descendent of the prophet mo. This happened as the Spanish and Portuguese Royalty inter married with moorish Royalty as the muslim moors retreated from Spain. It was done through "lesser" Royals but there grandchildren came into the line. I believe both Catherine of Aragon and a princess [Portuguese] Braganza. They also married various other Euro Royals whose descendants married UK Royalty. Do you imagine charlie boy is unaware of this ? of course not. He has been instrumental in the setting up of 500 sharia courts in The UK. This would not of happened without his support. His Mother was unable to stop him. HIis loyalty lies with paganism and islam. [ also various international bodies] He is our Traitor pagan king. I no longer have any loyalty to the now accursed house of windsor. You may find i speak the truth , if so feel free to put it abroad.
Stop Being so Weird
I must admit that I regularly enjoy visting your mutually proclaimed "happy place", finding it informative, challenging and entertaining. However, I have to confess that I sometimes find your choice of subjects surprising and resultant conclusions even more so. It is usually when you branch outside topics generally linked in some way with christian order and practice. An example of this involved your conclusions about the tragic stabbings in Southport, England. For a number of reasons I was relieved that Kevin reined in the discussion about the alleged perpetrator, if only to keep George out of possible serious trouble. The discussion centred on the failure to disclose the identity, simply disclosing his age (17 years) and family origins (Rwanda). The fact that his name had not neen revealed was cited as proof that freedom of speech continued in Britain to be curtailed as was the 'fact' that it was reported in the US media (and not in England) that he was Muslim. It is very rare for the names of criminals under the age of 18 years to be revealed as it is rightly to protect them and is against the law endorsing Article 1 of the UN Convention and section 16 of the Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999. At this point of revelation Kevin wisely pointed out that this had now been revealed "to all of England", and closed the discussion down. What followed in England was a chain of severe rioting in several cities on individual Muslims, mosques and halal butchers (to obtain knives) by members of the far right English Defence League fueled by online disinformation about the religious background of Axel Rudakabana, whose identity was revealed today to the presiding judge. I checked to see how many news outlets in USA were revealing details of the perpetrator's religion, and I couldn't find any, though I could by no means have examined all. I also checked to ascertain what proportion of Rwandan people are Muslims and discovered that it is generally believed to be around 2%. The reason I write is that the police in UK take very seriously any incitement to religious hatred, which careless conclusions can cause. Here in England, we sadly do have groups of people who will gather around tinder box situations, whose "happy place" is to cause anarchy and violence, which seems to be present in USA if the January 6 Capitol attack is anything to go by, Careless talk costs lives and does not warrant an automatic conclusion of the withdrawal of freedom of speech, especially as proportionately the boy's family are most unlikely to be Muslims, coupled with the fact that he has, for years, been diagnosed as having "an autism spectrum disorder ". It would be more positive if 1) you apologised and retracted your statement that Axel is a Muslim (since the Judge appears to be recognising this as disinformation and 2) highlight how Taylor Swift fans have already raised around US$400k for the families of those killed - with the star herself actively involved in contacting the families.
@@royquick-s5n Let me ask you a question? Was America right to pursue and convict Julian Assange for allegedly disclosing US secret documents, which were deemed to pose a threat to the security of the nation? If so, do you believe that there should be one law for America(ns) and another for the rest of the civilised world? Reciprocal extradition laws exist between our two countries, which enable prima facie criminals to be brought to justice if they seek refuge in the other's country, so that mass murderers, paedophiles and people like Anne Sacoolas can rightly be brought to justice, rather than escape it. Somehow, misinformation was published about the 17 year old who went on the rampage and killed 3 children stabbing them with a knife, some still with life threatening injuries in hospital. Even tonight rioting has broken out in another major city, and in total over 50 police have been hospitalised. Investigation has still not got to the source of who originally published that. and with Kevin on record stating that George had now revealed it (the boy's religion) "to the whole of Egland" (his words not mine) I felt constrained to deal with this at the level it had been exposed. If your assumption is correct that George has the source, he would be wise to disclose it to the UK police to cover himself, as it has certainly not been stated by any media outlet in UK, as was admitted in no 872. If you carefully read what I had written, you would have seen why I concluded that there is probably a minimal likelihood of the boy being muslim as only around 2% of Rwandans are of that religion. Also, to try and minimise the antagonism that this almost certainly 'fake news' has released, the boy's extreme mental condition has been revealed as a significant if dominant reason why he did what he did. As a former forensic and psychiatric chaplain, I have met many with such a condition and know how easily they can flip and commit heinous crimes, which often are completely out of character. By the way, I respect George and Kevin greatly and have no desire to silence either of them - just the reverse. I am an anglican priest as well. You seem to have misjudged me a number of times. By the way, what is a vestryman?
@@jgcl138 It seems that you do not like what George divulged. It seems you should be aware also that he may be protecting sources. It seems all would be mute, if it were shown George's information was incorrect, in which case I would expect George would admit it and apologize. You should be aware that Islam has posed problems in the U.K. Have you read the essays of Gaven Ashenden on Islam in the archives of Anglican Ink or in Catholic Unscripted in RUclips? In regard to vestryman, Anglican parishes in the U.S. have a vestry, parish council. A vestryman is a member of the vestry. 🙂
George made a correction on the identity of the seventeen year old in an Anglican Unscripted that followed on August 6, 2024.🙂
@@royquick-s5n More of a justification than a correction, things stated as a fact should be a fact. George does find it difficult to admit mistakes.
Why did you take down my post ? i represent Alfred , we know how to deal with your type , yes we are still here
Pope Francis responded to his conservative critics saying that they are more influenced by ideology than theology. That seems to be true of you gentlemen. You seem to have forgotten that the One we laid as Lord and Savior was himself once a refugee and migrant. You would do well to filter your remarks more in accord with Matthew 25.
Jorge Bergoglio is also an Argentine Jesuit who may be ideologically prejudiced. Taking care of the stranger is not the same as aiding and abetting criminals and terrorists in crossing borders. How much respect do migrants have for a country, if they enter it illegally in the first place?
Criminals and terrorists... The same old lies nativist bigots told about my grandparents and great grandparents 100 & 150 years ago. Nothing new here. The same old fear, the same old prejudice, the same old hate, the same old sin.