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"I'm a really moral person, and I find all these bad things to be unacceptable... but I REALLY like the money!" Every streamer ever, when confronted about promoting casinos and ponzi schemes.
I would immensely respect people who completely cut out the first part of the sentence, and just say ''I really like money.'' There's something to be said about being unabashedly yourself and honest, even if the real you is an asshole.
Did you notice how every time a question was asked, they look away? Either from side-to-side, spinning their chair, sweating, or looking up as they try to think up the next lie...pathetic. Future CEOs, right there.
@anusaukko6792 You're all confused. Sit down and have a word with yourself. Too often I hear this "At least they're honest about being dishonest" BS. Let it go, it's nonsense.
@anusaukko6792agree!!! I would be more interested if they just outright said they know its a lucrative market albeit unethical. They could even feed the harm reduction idea of trying to ‘ safely’ facilitate these marketplaces versus the other scams.
Standard shithousery of an online casino - let anyone signup, let anyone add funds, but once you hit that withdraw button they then shove 10 roadblocks in front of you
@@ardynamberglow3124disagree pal, I think killian is the worst. He acts like this nonchalant man who done nothing wrong however he created that surprise gift gambling website n then completely scammed n rugpulled the fans!
not out here to glaze the guy, but i would say that hes more open about all the sponsorships than most other gambling streamers. still shitty, dont get me wrong, but could easily be worse
@@JamBadguy John is a pretty common name. Coffeezilla isn't exactly the kind of name you associate with a legitimate journalist. They tend to have names like Tom (Brokaw), Peter (Jennings), or Connie (Chung). Barbara Walters, etc. Coffeezilla sounds more like a cartoon character.
Drew Gooden has a great video on sports gambling -- it's literally impossible to watch sports without being exposed to the websites. Even if you somehow manage to avoid the commercials, their ads are in the stadiums/arenas, and they often sponsor segments of the broadcast. Basically, if someone is trying to overcome a gambling addiction, watching sports can become a nightmare -- and the casino is right at their fingertips. It also normalizes gambling to children (and adults).
@@vf1923 anything to suck wealth (ergo independence/power) from the working class. And this time, the wealthy don’t even have to provide value or take risk. Gambling is mathematically guaranteed to generate wealth, and the only service provided is a fleeting sense of “fun” (masked behind layers of desperation)
+1000. Great video. While watching it, I looked up the annual revenue of DraftKings and FanDuel and compared theirs to the largest Las Vegas casinos... until that video, I had no idea how huge DFS had become just in the last year or so.
“We hate using slave labor, but the other guys do it, and we’d be out of a business if we didn’t partake, but we hate the practice.” This is basically the dynamic it comes down to 😭
"We hate locking up kids with no identity that have been smuggled into the country to work in our factory, but we'd be out of business since our opponents do it."
@@jtowensbyiii6018you're classing people as evil which means you could never actually take appropriate action,you would rather demonise people and sweep them under the rug than put any meaningful action or policy into place, thats what a vigilante that shoots a "bad guy" does.
It sounds like that from the outside, if you own a business then it makes sense, if your competitors are cheaper due to using underhanded methods. Consumers will buy from them not you, that's the death of your business. Having morals and running a profitable business almost never go hand in hand
This video is a true reflection of society. Incredible how villains can acknowledge their actions are wrong, however continue because "it will happen either way"
That's because people who are addicted and making money from it will of course not change when confronted by most people. I watched alcoholics ruin their lives and they know they're addicted. They just refuse to get help because they're addicted. All these dudes are addicts, and the ones who genuinely make money off of it are the ones who are winning. All the non paid addicts are the losers in the situation.
As a former gambling addict on websites like this, I hope you realize how much your content helps people like me, just by making us watch the details and numbers that this corrupt and thilthy industry have just by taking advantage of our inability to control our dopamine thirst. Coffeezilla, you are one of the purest hearted people I have ever seen, and watching your videos makes me so freaking happy and realised. Never stop, this world lacks on saints ❤️
As an aside coffee I don’t know how you manage to get through these interviews. So many of these guys make my skin crawl. Good on ya, but like that’s gotta take a toll.
The influencer interviews were crazy to watch… you can hear and feel the disconnect between the people. These people have lost it, as a victim of all this CS gambling, it hurts to see the problem being perpetuated and enforced so much on our screens. Great video !
The worst part is that these influencers want to claim that they're in the same boat because they know what they're doing is wrong and they should stop. But the key difference is that *their* addiction requires exploiting others
Counterstrike gambling is really fascinating. I took a class on gambling laws in law school and we had a whole section of the class dedicated to Counterstrike in particular and the way it differs from other kinds of gambling laws.
28:24 "Yeah and then I gotta pay a stupid tax rate on that." Oh you poor baby, you make more in one year than most people do their entire working life and you have to pay taxes. Cry me a river.
to be honest, i cant really hate on the creators. its not like they just immediately went from posting normal content to selling out their fans. it was a slow evolution and over many years (through the community/echo chamber they are in) they justified things and I think at some point alot of them will have a big realization moment about how much of a negative impact they have on peoples lives, whether they know it or even if their viewer knows it. At the end of the day, Valve, governments, youtube, etc all hold a majority of the responsibility to allow this type of content/activity
It's the power of being a well known and respected journalist who goes out of their way to try and be neutral and report facts, not blame shift, harass, and/or victim blame. Traditional media used to be good at this too, but once it became much more partisan nobody wants to talk to someone who will twist what you say
Watching Coffee question these RUclipsrs feels like a parent having a talk with their kids who are trying to answer their questions in the most deflective way possible
Eh i feel like we can deduct how he sees himself , he kinda makes the comparision : he's someone who got into the dr*g market to replace heroin with weed... It's actually a very common logic when you look at this other addiction field.
@@Eudric No, he’s the exact same as the others. He just is trying to take the moral high ground while using the same technique because to not would be “bad business”. It would be like a dealer getting into the market, selling heroin and being like “well I’d like to sell weed but heroin is just more profitable so I’m still going to sell it to kids”
Addendum: John Dunsworth (the actor who played Jim Lahey in the Trailer Park Boys) had an interview on CBC radio where he spoke quite candidly about his gambling addiction, and the psychology of struggling with that.
19:02 what a crazy Statement "1% of gamblers make us 80% of our money so the other 99% of you can gamble freely cause you only create 20% of our money"..
This is how all games with micro transactions especially gacha games work. They don't mind giving you a "free" skins or other stuff because there's 1% of gamers who will buy all the cosmetics, loot boxes, gacha banners, and deluxe battle passes.
@edgargarcia6042 Might as well ban everything with any random chance. Trading cards, mystery flavored candies, blind bags, arcades, quarter vending machines with stickers or plastic toys, etc. God forbid people enjoy the thrill of a fucking surprise.
As someone from the uk it’s crazy how much all of this mirrors the football/ sports betting industry. Most teams in the country are sponsored by a gambling website or app and every ad break your bombarded with gambling adverts, it’s all ok because they say please gamble responsibly though 🙄
Same thing in Brazil. Every single top league team is sponsored by a gambling website. Over 22 million people have used sports betting websites and, on average, they spend around 20% of their income on them
Honestly, I feel like the guy is gambling additcted himself. Felt like he was quite concious about what he was doing, but couldn't stop himself. Needless to say, he is probably the most sympathetic of all of the gambling influencer interviewees.
"No matter what I do to intervene, it doesn't help him stop gambling" - Career financially thriving gambling promoter. Gee, I wonder why your help might fall flat.
Yep, despite countless peer-reviewed studies showing statistically zero correlation between screen and irl violence, whereas gambling? All one needs is a pamphlet-sized psychology lesson on BF Skinner. It’s literally one of the first things we learn in the field, LONG before grad school. People are using well-established psychological research to make money from children. Awesome. Source: 25+ years clinical experience
Where does guilt come from? It comes from god. It’s a punishment. Having guilt is better than none. But you must have the fortitude to change and undo your wrongs. People can change. We are not beholden to our past sins. You certainly aren’t, so what makes you so special and everyone else not?
@@mightyORFEN That’s one theory. Another theory is that our whole evolutionary strategy is built on cooperation, so it makes sense that we’d have checks on antisocial behavior.
There are 3 (4) qualifiers to repentance. The first is acknowledgement of the wrongs you have committed/ [private/personal] confession of wrongdoing. The second is regret to wish that you have never done it. The third is to resolve to never do it again. The fourth is if your actions have affected other people then you need to make amends in whatever way you can. A repentance without fulfilling those three conditions or the fourth when concerning other people is not accepted. However, fulfilling one is better than none.
Running a business that only exists because some 12 year old kids are addicted to gambling. It’s almost impressive these people are able to live with themselves.
@@The13thRonin Uhh no, kids fall victim to predatory shit because they are you know, kids. thats why we have laws. Calling that "social darwinism" sounds like a low iq person trying to sound smart lol.
3:30. Hold up!... The purchases go to Europe? Isn't valve a US company? @jumpman51 nothin' wrong with that dude. People just gotta keep it decent, when playing.. but man some of them kids have mouths tho.. 😂😂😂 🙏✌️
This is an important video coffee. No one else calls these people out. You can hear the guilt while they answer because deep down they know what they are doing is wrong.
Right? "OMG, I have to contribute back to 'Society' because I'm literally filthy rich now." "I guess I'm a bad guy, but you know who the BIGGER bad guy is...?" That's called whataboutism, and Putin does it all the time. It's classic misdirection spewed by a narcissist.
> gets immense amount of money by exploiting others > complains about taxes yeah this guy is the perfect representation of why our economy fucking sucks
Right, the tone in his voice… like he cannot believe the audacity that he would have to pay what is hopefully a large amount of taxes on money gain from ruining people and their families lives.
@@pd7484 he's not exploiting anyone if he literally tells them to not gamble. if they don't listen to him and do something, that's their problem. be a man and take responsibility.
"It's like everywhere you go you see heroin and your hero is on heroin." Oofs in Gen X, we lived that and lost a lot of people before that stopped being perceived as cool.
Lucky, Heroin is seen as illegal by the law, so no one is openly promoting since you know, going arrested isn't a good thing. Now that Galaxy Gas, lootbox, battle pass, model Pay to win games, Microtransaction is on grey area and everyone can do on public, promote on public and become something cool. How many kids hate do miss the "cool wagon" and seen as a dorky or loser? Change the names, but story is always the same.
@@PokemonSeanWe have a global gambling epidemic and it's disheartening to see Between professional sports like the NBA promoting sportsbooks, online gambling being more mainstream, and even ALMOST EVERY POPULAR MOBILE GAME having some form of gambling (which they hide as "fun gacha systems") it's a disease which is going to get much worse before it starts to get better
My dad has a saying, “Control as many of the variables as possible.” That makes me just hate gambling. I don’t mind if others do I just don’t. To stand on principle and say no to $300,000. Damn that takes a lot.
$300,000 even bimonthly would be a life changer. I know the guy already said it, but it'd also make it easier on my mom so that she could retire, and it'd help with all the expenses the family has too. I don't think I could say no to that.
Worst part is if you do control all the variables you can control, like by counting cards or using some other winning system. They can just kick you out... Never understood how that's even legal. Like you're allowed to play unless you actually start winning?!
@@faxmine 300k once in a life time would be a life changer. 300k is enough to build your own house or buy one. 300k is also enough to just buy a relatively nice house, as long as it's not close to a city center or in an expensive ass location.
29:17 Arrow is a good man in a world of con artists and robbers. He adhered to his morals throughout his short time streaming years and until now. There may be others with a similar experience, but we should definitely honor those that are doing the right thing!
That is kind of the crazy part. Valve is already the "pachinko parlor" and the casinos are the "prize shops", if people are familiar with the loopholes in japanese gambling law. They could instantly kill every one of these websites with a few changes to the code, but it would mean giving up too much money.
Promoting gambling is more addicting than gambling itself since you will always win. So you might think "Oh it's just one month of cashing and than I'll stop" but you won't.
It's technically not more addicting to always win. Addiction is based on the uncertainty of the reward. I don't quite understand it but from what I've seen and read it become a fixation, and your brain heavily invest time/energy/money in order to minimize the risk of missing out on the reward. The dopaminergic system has been hijacked.
lol what? By ur logic everything is addicting? That’s like saying ur addicted to getting nordvpb sponsorships on ur videos. “Wait I did work and got paid??? ITS WIN WIN” tf u saying
Some industries you cannot simply stop: 1. Arms 2. Pharma 3. Adult 4. Alcohol & Drugs 5. Gambling 6. Banking and Usury They bring trillions of dollars, and people who run them wont let you get near their empires, not even remotely.
And when you realize that war and pharma is the biggest $$$ in the world you understand that these people absolutely do not want peace in the world or healthy people. Damn they would lose all their customers
@@vsupps1fault isn’t binary. It is their fault partially. But it’s a heavy expectation which will likely lead to disappointment (just look at the numbers stating that 75% of the biggest streamers promote gambling). However, that rare 25% are worthy of respect. I can’t tell you who to blame, but I can tell you who to praise - the 25.
@@vsupps1putting whether it’s also his fault or not, i think the more important thing is about his morality. I’m not sure what he’s trying to do by telling Coffee that story while being a promoter of gambling himself, maybe to make himself looks better by trying to help said friend get over his addiction? But if anything it’s only makes him look worse since in the end he still choose to promote gambling while having a person close to him addicted to it
This might be your best series to date. Showing how deeply complex the matter is, highlighting how no easy fix is viable, exposing the hypocrisies of all parts involved... is not a simple task. Well done, and thank you!
The main reason it isn't even remotely discussed, is you have to convince a bunch of 50-80 year olds, at least here in the USA, that online gaming can not only be predatory but is actively swindling people. These folks are daydreaming about their menage a trois back in the 70's and since about 1995 haven't update their world view. The few who have, sit in silence because why ruin the golden goose. It's why online and sports gambling have soared, any legislation protecting consumers has been walked back.
The easy fix is truly easy --- Valve needs to lock skins to the account that gets them from the lootbox. Without the ability to transfer skins this problem vaporizes over night, as would Valve's profit from the game. So yeah that won't happen...
Well there is actually an easy fix, but it's not up to the influencers or the online casinos. Valve needs to stop the skins from even reaching these 3rd party gambling sites.
Just read the full CSGOroll response, TLDR "We havent been caught yet as a disguised casino, therefore we wont admit it" its absolutley disgusting, really appreciate what you are doing coffee, as always keep up the hard work exposing these scum
He deserves no credit. His is a pretty easy position to take. He made his millions becoming one of the top CSGO casinos off the backs of gambling addicts, including many underage; but NOW he cares and wants the regulations, because he bets that he would still be at the top after such regulations were put in place.
The only thing I hate is that you guys say growth doesn’t happen or you’re not satisfied with it because of their past nefarious in nature and not. The average cops are everyday people and were fucking nerds in highschool, on the male side. But it takes informants and those with true knowledge to help catch the guys who are still very much active. If that flew over your heads.. idk
This is how companies keep their dominant positions in new markets. They come in, rake in money, then to stifle competition they lobby lawmakers to increase regulations that only they can afford and which blocks new entrants/competition.
I'm a software engineer/ game dev who refuses to work on games with exploitative monetization strategies, and I absolutely love, love, love to see you go after that now! I really hope there will be some real change some day!
Honestly, getting mad at Streamer/RUclipsrs or even the gambling websites is hypocritical, when you don't critize the one organisation which facilitates ALL of this.
This is the journalism we need right now. The internet is a hive of scams with very little punishment due to being so hard to stop. This is what we need!
I can add some small context to this story. Monarch mentioned RuneScape as the go-to game to gamble on back in the day. This was actually an issue to such level, that Jagex (the developer company) was forced by the major credit card companies to remove any form of gambling due to the extensive amount of refunds and malicious activity that came with it. Basically threatened to lose all their revenue and go bankrupt overnight if they couldn't handle it. Jagex banned gambling, lost a big chunk of their player base, but managed to stay afloat. Valve learned from Jagex's mistakes, they now have their own payment processing and refund system through Steam, this way noone but Valve has the final say on whether it's okay to buy skins with a stolen card, whether the customer is 12 or 40 years old, and whether a whole economy of gambling and money laundering exists on top of their games.
yeah that’s basically it. I don’t think these guys are super evil villains but rather pawns that profit off an inhumane system and decide to ignore any morals they have left (which is probably not a lot after years of doing this).
Sure it's easy to sit here from the sidelines and pretend you would never accept the money. But that is some life changing money definitely in an industry where 1 controversy can end your entire career or you can slowly fade into irrelevance.
@@Denolc doesnt makes them look any better, if anything it reflects even poorer upon their character, they've earned enough money to secure the next dozen generations at the this point but STILL chooses to take on gambling sponsors.
I don't know this simulation is perfectly simulate the rate of actual csgo gacha is but i tried cause people love opening cs go skin, and damn the crazy how you can lose thousand dollar i can see the amount cause this app simulator give price per different box and key and get no gold knife is insane
I feel like much of the sports journalism and independent sports streamer industry is in a similar boat. Much of what exists now is thanks to Fantasy Sportsbooks like Underdog, ESPN Bet, Draft Kings, and such. The major difference, as far as I know, is how targeted younger audiences are in the CS Skin gambling industry compared to mainstream sports betting
Oh Coffee, as someone who has been in the counter strike competitive community since 2001.... This goes even further back. Organizations like iBuyPower were banned from competition due to match throwing because the team had bets on the match (and who knows how many others prior) - What about Moe owning a site and promoting it far before ANY of the names you're mentioning? I cant wait, I hope you cover ALL of this.
I mean it goes back further to that to the beginning of esports with match fixing in starcraft broodwar, which goes back even further to match fixing in any other sport or event that money can be bet on. The methods have just gotten more predatory and less regulated.
Grimm: 27:16 "The downside with norway is that income is public" - no it's not a downside. It adds transparency and helps discover crazy things like this.
Absolutely disagree. Regardless of any perceived benefit, you have no right to know that information about me or any other private individuals. If you want business numbers, that's pretty big standard quarterly filing.
@@cleverlyblonde what's really funny is that Grims public files says his company is registered as an advertising agency. Good luck explaining his buisiness when the government or lottery agency start digging. (if they do.. and that's a BIG if). iirc then promoting foreign gambling sites is illegal in Norway even if you promote it on youtube internationally. You still have to abide by Norwegian laws. and afaik that is illegal in Norway, and even worse when people under age is involved. (Then again. i could be completely wrong on all accounts here and just spewing out BS)
Valve is held at such a high esteem online that its insane. They have a monopoly on pc gaming, the fees they take from developers are plain robbery and they pioneered gambling in video games. All so Gabe can keep adding billions in the bank account.
@@Mr30friends The 30% cut is an industry standard (EGS is irrelevant) and their monopoly on PC gaming is due entirely to getting in the door first and providing a superior service. I'm not a Valve zealot and I get my games on GOG when I can but there's a reason everyone uses Steam.
@@bleyd__ ofc they do. They have no other real choice. If you dont publish on steam you wont ever make money. Thats why they are a monopoly. All other storefronts are irrelevant.
@@christianweibrecht6555 Tf2 did it first by several years. Cs just upped the scale in both money and number of participants. Valve is still at fault either way.
Also, the rationalization of “if I don’t do it, others will do it anyways”. That is crazy bullsh..t. Addiction up and down all the whole system. Including the people who run these casinos.
As somone close to the prime target age (15), it annoys me how close i was to falling into this trap. I remember clicking on these sites thru youtube promotion links, and thankfully my wifi blocked the site. These sites use malicious hooks to try to encourage you to enter their gambling sites , free money to start off, the guarantee of high value skins, etc. STAY AWAY from cases and gambling sites in cs.
Great job dude. You're a much smarter 15 year old than I was😂😂 I gained like 25k in skins twice and lost it all. Could've ruined my life but luckily I snapped tf outve it. Thank whoever blocked that shit on your wifi, winning big is what I imagine heroin is like. Never felt a bigger rush.
I don't know how you messed up lose twice, but it cracked me up. 😂 And I'm honestly just trying to help. The first time woulda been lose, and the second time woulda been losses. Loose is when something fits you big, like a shirt or pants. 👍
"My friend is a literal gambling addict, but I advertise gambling because it's gonna happen anyway." Ah, yes, the "I murdered that guy because he was going to die anyway" defense.
This is a serious issue I interacted with roblox / csgo gambling when i was 11 i saw all those huge wins on tiktok / youtube and i started to get attached i went from doing 5 dollar bet to going 200 and ended up losing all my money even stole from others to gamble it was not a great experience one thing leads to other i started doing illegal stuff to get money to gamble until now i have not get rid of this addiction yet i want to cure it but everytime i get money its just the idea to get back into gambling because of the amout of gambling videos i see online this video really touched me to quit the gambling and block all the social media gambling videos. This def deserve a sub
Everywhere I go I see gambling ads of one kind or another, it's sickening knowing that so many people were tricked into becoming addicts as children. You can do it. Get outside help if you need it.
Small detail, but I love what Coffee did with the aspect ratios at 1:45. Shrinks his own with the testimonials scrolling in the new blank space, and the testimonials are all in the aspect ratio he shrunk down to. The shrinking and graphic scroll feels like a sneaky way to smooth the transition between Coffee’s aspect ratio and that of the testimonials.
This might be your most important series yet, I'd say. Online gambling is a blight that causes real harm to people, and its scarily widespread and intractable. I don't know the solution, but I know it begins with awareness.
You should also point out that influencers don't use their own money to gamble. The gambling sites give them free credits, using their own currency to top up the influencers' accounts and make it look more glamorous. The influencers don’t actually withdraw anything, so the companies lose nothing. Worse yet, some sites even rig the odds to favor the influencer to sell the scheme.
Gambling is one of those blights i fear humanity will never escape because the victims want to partake. They will go out of their way to seek out their abusers and shield them from scrutiny
@@dracvichcard packs ? At least I can collect physical cards and have a hobby organizing them in a satsifying way. It doesn't have to be a gambling thing.
So basically, Donk, one of the GOAT CS players, legit just won a CS Major - valve sponsored event while still being a literal minor and sponsored by casino. bro’s out here repping gambling shirt while underage on live events and even on HLTV avatar and nobody says anything. Make it make sense 😂.
The law has been so slow to adapt to how much society has changed, and technology. Like, you think THIS is bad? Micro transactions ALONE on IOS are BILLIONS! And yet we can’t get them made illegal around the world because we have too many countries with their own laws and we can’t have one form of universal law that overrides borders in the persuit of real justice.
@@shcdemolisher The issue is boomers in governments who refuse to let younger poiliticians and their ideas take the stage. It could be regulated easily.
@@shcdemolisherAl be honest pal what you’ve said there is bacically a different language. Anyone outside the computing/gaming/digital world wouldn’t have a scooby what you’re on about
@@ShonwaMcFeckertywhat? Most people who have ever interacted with a phone know what microtransactions are. And that was the only thing that they mentioned that was even kind of a """gaming"""-specific term.
Back in my middle/high school many students were involved in the CSGO gambling/trading ecosystem. It was a big thing in Russia with our own websites, influencers advertising this alongside stolen account markets
Oh yeah I remember myself being involved with all that bs back when I was a kid living in Russia. I thought I was smart and had a system. I didn't. Luckily I managed to stop.
I stopped playing CS like 10 years ago. When I heard about gambling and CS I figured people were just betting on certain teams to win like they do football games. Had no idea about all this loot box stuff. What a joke.
28:28 "i gotta pay a stupid tax rate on that" oh the poor guy who made millions scaming children dont you just feel bad he has to pay a tiny fraction of his money /s
It’s not valve… it’s all the companies. Loot boxes are like in app purchases. Everyone does it. Terrible practice. At least with CS everything about the game is free basically. I haven’t bought a new CS since 2013… 11 years of free updates.
Monarch pointing out how quickly you can downward spiral is a spot on, and him explaining how website algorithms suck people back in is horrifying. I don't play CS or do anything related so I never see those type of ads, sort of speaks to how they will target those who seem vulnerable. Wow idk who Juicy is but those words alone paint a horrific picture of the guy.
agreed i used to play alot of gatcha and spent a decent amount on them when i was younger noithing crazy but it was still like 1-2k a year and now nearly 10 years later i still see an insane amount of gatcha game ads anywhere i go online
Valve could stop this in an instant by disabling trading between accounts. They wouldn't even need to disable key purchases, or the marketplace, and I doubt it would impact their revenue at all. Then destroy those who've profited off gambling, and try returning any high value skins to the people who have been scammed.
clueless deluxe… if valve disabled trading, then there would be no high value skins to be returned, as there would be no value in an item that cant be traded…
The loophole thing is also something that happens in physical gambling too. Here in Pennsylvania we have these things called "Pennsylvania Skill Games" which are basically a slot machine. However, they have a feature where you can play games to get back your money if you fail. The "games" are boring and repetitive and take a long time and are fairly difficult, so few users actually do them. But that was enough to get them spread across the state - you see these machines in many gas stations and corner stores now, and they are "too big to fail now" - the state is probably going to legalize them soon, and business owners love them. It's really awful
I'm from Wisconsin and that sounds insane. We have casinos but they're spread out. Some of the local bars have slots but I rarely see them used. So we are all addicted to alcohol and drugs but fewer gamble lol
@@luipaardprintyou'd probably make more per hour just working a normal job though. I don't have any personal experience with that system but based on the "boring and repetitive" part of OP's comment, the "games" are probably built to return X dollars every Y minutes, and that ratio isn't going to be very good. If it takes you ten minutes to earn back $1, that's a whopping $6/hr.
Gah Damn, Arrow's name really fits him so well, hearing him talk about how he could retire his mom with that offer was so touching, i'm not even into CSGO but i'll subscribe to him anyway.
@@essencediviner He's made some case unboxing videos before, but does not to my knowledge spend time on the actual gambling sites. His channel primarily revolves around talking about skins and skin trading. Dunno why you're bringing down a hammer on him over that as there's not really anything wrong with his content in my eyes.
@@oatfarmer6501there's an argument to be made but you're starting from the premise that he shows/promotes gambling on stream, which is incorrect. he does skin showcases/reviews, which may influence people to buy cases
@@oatfarmer6501 Did you even watch the video? Arrow is a dude that is NOT sponsored by a gambling site and was explaining why he turned it down. Like, genuinely, wtf is this comment?
@@sere971 he still does gamble using ofcourse valves cs go market, he streams case openings, it does promote it, but turning down gambling deals is def a big deal. which is literally the next episode covering what the real problem is, Its Valve and their in game case opening system. and any1 who does this, especially on a lvl that influences such as OhnePixel and ArrowCS do, are promoting gambling, sorry but thats the truth brother
Honestly, any self regulated industry will see the same problems CS2 gambling sites have. They will always just skirt the edge of the widest most basic laws of our society and use whatever loopholes they can find to make the most amount of money possible without even thinking about the consequences, intended or otherwise, of their actions.
@@alexx12545 They are very aware of what they are doing. But money corrupts the mind and makes you rationalize it into whatever makes you sleep at night.
Coffee, I think a big part of this conversation that has to do with the consumer AND the proprietors (that I feel was slightly missed here) was addiction. This conversation is about money and that’s what you do, but being such an arbiter in the space I feel it would be good to talk about how addiction factors into it all. I can speak from my own experience to say that knowing someone is “screwing” you getting you addicted to something, isnt going to change your drive to fulfill that high. I know it’s not really your thing, but that’s my 2 cents. Great video as always.
If I recall correctly, Valve actually got in trouble with Australian and Washington state governments over gambling on the platform. Their recompense? Adding a new "gambling" warning label to the sidebar of Steam games, down in the section where most people don't notice alongside controller and language support information. That was enough to satisfy both governments and no other lawsuits at the government level have happened since.
I think it was partially Valve started hitting a lot of the bigger ones as well, leading to people thinking "Ah, Valve has cracked down on this, our work here is done" and moving on to the next problem.
The Australian government should be the last ones to talk about this, btw. Their casinos run the entire f**king country. They literally got away with firebombing a journalist'/RUclipsr's house(friendlyjordies).
@@Jumbleman5 yeah alot of ppl I've noticed have almost a messianic admiration of Gabe Newell; if you point out Valve or Steam have done something wrong they freak out on you and go to bat to defend them from all accusations. Even when it's 100% fact they've done it and been caught doing it.
They all think they’re the smart one in the room and can’t imagine they’d talk themselves into a hole. Thing is, the trick with getting people like that to give up the game is…just let them talk. They’ll just keep vomiting up words because they think they can eventually say the right thing to get the interviewer to agree with them.
This is something I have witnessed myself, in an odd way. I am not a gambler at all, but a lot of people really underestimate the power that dopamine hit has. I was hanging out at my local EB Games store, when this young man in a suit walks in (think corporate employee). Customer: "Hi, I would like to buy three hundred dollars of Playstation vouchers" Manager leans over slightly to the tower of cards and vouchers. Customer: "It sucks you can't connect your credit card to your PSN account." Me (internally, sirens are blaring and red flags are being waved): "What do you mean?" Customer: "I play FIFA, and I love opening the packs." Manager and I exchange a slightly concerned glance. Me: "You mean, getting the cards?" Customer: "No. Just opening the packs feels soo good." Customer then off-handedly mentions how he lies to his GF about how he gets so many FIFA packs to open. Me (internally there are so many red flags waving): "Do you have any kids?" Customer: "Nope." He then finishes his purchase and leaves.
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn So basically, this is a thing in ALL video games??? i remember when people were panicked about video games causing gun violence and school shootings a decade ago. I didnt believe it. this is a whole different beast. But tbf i know a lot of people who play video games and usually its just a thing to do with friends not spending all this money on it
@@LajosKossuthOnline omg I remember this girl I would babysit, her parents were going through a divorce so each one would try to spoil her and make her happy so she would take their side. They would spoil her with Roblox gift cards. Jesus I didn’t have a clue 🤦🏽♀️ sure.. we know the influencers are bad, the casinos the game companies, but at the end of the day the parents are making it worse. Parents need to be made aware of this cuz it seems like the only ppl who are aware are the victims.
@@00shivaniIt's not a thing in ALL video games. But almost any game that is free to play has this kind of model built in. Though specifically in fps games this has been slowly reducing over the past few years
Some People life depend on these skins. They make money by trading it. Flipping it etc if they do something like that it would be bad. They are now trying to move away from lootbox opening by adding option to rent them. Also they added 7 day trade cooldown to skin and also banned gambling bots but after that they started using p2p methods and some people to this day still get banned. Like that juicy guy and a lot of csgoroll providers got banned on steam
Part 3 is on Patreon now! This series has been a MASSIVE undertaking, we appreciate everyone who supported it coming to life!
www.patreon.com/posts/deception-lies-3-118500161
you know what else is massive
Your videos have gotten worse. You increased the budget and got more artsy, your losing the formula
coffee- please look into oldschool runescape casinos (runechat, runehall) as theyre huge aswell
You think Steam is complicit in this? Seems to me that they don’t do enough to ward against this stuff and if anything profit from it.
@@Burning_Babylon But how does that make the point moot, or anything in the video wrong?
"God I feel terrible promoting gambling to kids!"
*wipes tears with 100$ bills*
"I just hate it so much! Hate it!"
Watch your mouth, the KING is a great guy and has done more than ANYONE to stop children from gambling
@@Biggestkidyouknowbut he is still sponsored and promotes online gambling??? 😂
@@Biggestkidyouknowcope
CS2 IS DEAD ONLY PPL ARE PLAYING ARE LIKE SCAMMERS AND RWT AND CHEATERS = BASICALLY TURNED TO OSRS
@@Biggestkidyouknow In what way?
"I'm a really moral person, and I find all these bad things to be unacceptable... but I REALLY like the money!"
Every streamer ever, when confronted about promoting casinos and ponzi schemes.
I would immensely respect people who completely cut out the first part of the sentence, and just say ''I really like money.''
There's something to be said about being unabashedly yourself and honest, even if the real you is an asshole.
thats capitalism baby! /s
Did you notice how every time a question was asked, they look away? Either from side-to-side, spinning their chair, sweating, or looking up as they try to think up the next lie...pathetic. Future CEOs, right there.
@anusaukko6792 You're all confused. Sit down and have a word with yourself. Too often I hear this "At least they're honest about being dishonest" BS. Let it go, it's nonsense.
@anusaukko6792agree!!! I would be more interested if they just outright said they know its a lucrative market albeit unethical. They could even feed the harm reduction idea of trying to ‘ safely’ facilitate these marketplaces versus the other scams.
The guy who turned down the money. And his first thought was “enough to retire my mom…”
Phenomenal human being. A+. No notes.
yeah it was so real ❤ "change the lineage of my family"
Yeah, that one blew me away. It takes a ton of character to hold strong even with that on mind.
That's ArrowCS he's a very entertaining streamer and a phenomenal dude, one of the best in the scene
Too bad arow can't stop eating bugs though 💔
@@dotnet97 At this rate the government anti gambling lobby needs to start sponsoring people like this...
That was heart breaking and endearing
Fun fact: You can't post this video on the GlobalOffensive and CS2 subreddits! It instantly gets removed
Had to go and check, and you're right. Not a single post about this.
Post it on other gaming subs.
I wonder why?
@@MrDwightSchrute My guess is that Valve has control over the Counterstrike sub, and wants all this "minors gambling" conversation to disappear.
Standard shithousery of an online casino - let anyone signup, let anyone add funds, but once you hit that withdraw button they then shove 10 roadblocks in front of you
Coinbase does this too... Little different but it always bothered me
@@Elavationproductions They actually advertise that on twitch now.
Back in the day there was no id to get skins out either
@@Elavationproductions Or the exchanges that only tell you about the minimum withdraw amount, when you go to withdraw.
AKA Dark Patterns
Juicy: "I don't tell people that wins are a sustainable thing"
Also Juicy: "This daily case system is pretty much a monthly salary"
Yeah, my Read on Juicy is he's easily the most scummy of the three promoters, since most of his argument is "Just watch the video."
@@ardynamberglow3124disagree pal, I think killian is the worst. He acts like this nonchalant man who done nothing wrong however he created that surprise gift gambling website n then completely scammed n rugpulled the fans!
@@ardynamberglow3124 seems like he asked chatgpt and here we are, a pretty take
not out here to glaze the guy, but i would say that hes more open about all the sponsorships than most other gambling streamers.
still shitty, dont get me wrong, but could easily be worse
His name is also Juicy 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
10 years ago I could never imagine that the journalist I trust most would be a guy named Coffeezilla... the internet is weird.
??? 10 years ago I could never imagine a journalist I most trust would be called john.
like what is ur comment trying to say
@@JamBadguy John is a pretty common name. Coffeezilla isn't exactly the kind of name you associate with a legitimate journalist. They tend to have names like Tom (Brokaw), Peter (Jennings), or Connie (Chung). Barbara Walters, etc. Coffeezilla sounds more like a cartoon character.
I have coffeezilla and Jason Schreier are out here doing the good work.
Part 3 will be interesting though
@@JamBadguy great comment next time put some thinking in it
trust no one buddy.
Drew Gooden has a great video on sports gambling -- it's literally impossible to watch sports without being exposed to the websites. Even if you somehow manage to avoid the commercials, their ads are in the stadiums/arenas, and they often sponsor segments of the broadcast. Basically, if someone is trying to overcome a gambling addiction, watching sports can become a nightmare -- and the casino is right at their fingertips. It also normalizes gambling to children (and adults).
Any kind of gambling right now. We are making our economies gambling economies.
@@vf1923 anything to suck wealth (ergo independence/power) from the working class. And this time, the wealthy don’t even have to provide value or take risk. Gambling is mathematically guaranteed to generate wealth, and the only service provided is a fleeting sense of “fun” (masked behind layers of desperation)
Similar with alcohol. I don't like watching competitive stuff because it all seems to be funded by life destroying industries
+1000. Great video. While watching it, I looked up the annual revenue of DraftKings and FanDuel and compared theirs to the largest Las Vegas casinos... until that video, I had no idea how huge DFS had become just in the last year or so.
“We hate using slave labor, but the other guys do it, and we’d be out of a business if we didn’t partake, but we hate the practice.” This is basically the dynamic it comes down to 😭
Evil men will not step down and need removed from society to fix issues like this
There's actual chattel slaveowners who had this exact same rationale.
"We hate locking up kids with no identity that have been smuggled into the country to work in our factory, but we'd be out of business since our opponents do it."
@@jtowensbyiii6018you're classing people as evil which means you could never actually take appropriate action,you would rather demonise people and sweep them under the rug than put any meaningful action or policy into place, thats what a vigilante that shoots a "bad guy" does.
It sounds like that from the outside, if you own a business then it makes sense, if your competitors are cheaper due to using underhanded methods. Consumers will buy from them not you, that's the death of your business. Having morals and running a profitable business almost never go hand in hand
This video is a true reflection of society. Incredible how villains can acknowledge their actions are wrong, however continue because "it will happen either way"
They aren't scared of consequences. People are too sick to care.
It's a deficiency of compassion and sympathy and a surplus of egotism and selfishness. All the parties concerned are to be pitied.
They are not wrong tho. If not them then someone else, why not make millions then? Everyone not already rich would take that deal.
That's because people who are addicted and making money from it will of course not change when confronted by most people.
I watched alcoholics ruin their lives and they know they're addicted. They just refuse to get help because they're addicted. All these dudes are addicts, and the ones who genuinely make money off of it are the ones who are winning. All the non paid addicts are the losers in the situation.
Surely you’d be better right? 😂
29:36 An 8k sub youtuber turning down 300k $ per month. Arrow is a gem and he should be really proud of himself.
I think his main channel is more like 60k subs, but it's still amazing.
@@adameskoo what's his main channel?
It's just arrow bro lmao
Major dubs most people would never decline that kinda money
@@PreacherJenkinsfacts
As a former gambling addict on websites like this, I hope you realize how much your content helps people like me, just by making us watch the details and numbers that this corrupt and thilthy industry have just by taking advantage of our inability to control our dopamine thirst.
Coffeezilla, you are one of the purest hearted people I have ever seen, and watching your videos makes me so freaking happy and realised.
Never stop, this world lacks on saints ❤️
i hope you're doing well my man, the amount of sneaky tactics these people use
As an aside coffee I don’t know how you manage to get through these interviews. So many of these guys make my skin crawl. Good on ya, but like that’s gotta take a toll.
It's crappy I know
Coffees a pro!
Dude, there's truth to this. The toll here is at minimum burnout, and at its worst I think would be losing faith in humanity.
@@Dad_Lyon running out of that to lose
@@Dad_Lyon can't lose what you never had *taps head
I have done my best to teach my kids that they should never trust influencers or advertisers on RUclips. Coffee has helped with that. Thank you.
That makes me so happy. RUclips can be a wonderful thing.
But you trust coffeezilla
Yes he has proof lol@@bnkh
@@bnkhbecause he isn't advertising anything...?
@@blueyandicydid you miss the influencer part
The influencer interviews were crazy to watch… you can hear and feel the disconnect between the people. These people have lost it, as a victim of all this CS gambling, it hurts to see the problem being perpetuated and enforced so much on our screens. Great video !
The worst part is that these influencers want to claim that they're in the same boat because they know what they're doing is wrong and they should stop. But the key difference is that *their* addiction requires exploiting others
I love how they tried to cope that they are not promoting gambling results, while still making gambling content.
How does it feel knowing you blew your money on a video game gambling machine?
Its interesting how yall blame the ibfluencers and not yourselves 🤷♂️
@@shikki12*getting paid to make gambling content
@@RandoManFPV Ah yes lets blame the impressionable kids and adults and not the ones profiting off of illegal activities
Counterstrike gambling is really fascinating. I took a class on gambling laws in law school and we had a whole section of the class dedicated to Counterstrike in particular and the way it differs from other kinds of gambling laws.
28:24 "Yeah and then I gotta pay a stupid tax rate on that." Oh you poor baby, you make more in one year than most people do their entire working life and you have to pay taxes. Cry me a river.
Cope
This guy is really a piece of work
@@OneHunnitNoCapStannitOnBidniszit ain't cope, it's a fact
to be honest, i cant really hate on the creators. its not like they just immediately went from posting normal content to selling out their fans. it was a slow evolution and over many years (through the community/echo chamber they are in) they justified things and I think at some point alot of them will have a big realization moment about how much of a negative impact they have on peoples lives, whether they know it or even if their viewer knows it. At the end of the day, Valve, governments, youtube, etc all hold a majority of the responsibility to allow this type of content/activity
"Guy is mad at government stealing from him" will always be a valid complaint.
The saddest part of all - Valve could shut it all down with 1 patchnote disabling API making trading skins in-game only.
True Valve is the real evil part of this.
but then they wouldn’t be making as much money off of gambling children! so unless rhey’re forced to do it they never will
They don't care
I think this is mostly because that'd have a knock-on effect on marketplaces, but hell if I know.
Big difference between trading skins and marketplaces vs the gamba shit
Seriously though CoffeeZilla's ability to consistently get interviews with important people in these stories is next level
Honestly, it amazes me that anyone even talks to him. I'm glad that they do, because it helps tell the full story, but it's still wild.
It's the power of being a well known and respected journalist who goes out of their way to try and be neutral and report facts, not blame shift, harass, and/or victim blame. Traditional media used to be good at this too, but once it became much more partisan nobody wants to talk to someone who will twist what you say
Do you think he pays them some money to get the interview?
@@bonestobunnies3444 i highly doubt it. that goes against journalistic integrity
@@patrickhenderson4101Genuinely wondering what would be wrong with this?
Watching Coffee question these RUclipsrs feels like a parent having a talk with their kids who are trying to answer their questions in the most deflective way possible
Monarchs whole monologue would mean so much more if spoken by literally anyone else
Eh i feel like we can deduct how he sees himself , he kinda makes the comparision : he's someone who got into the dr*g market to replace heroin with weed... It's actually a very common logic when you look at this other addiction field.
exactly seems like he is just as guilty as the rest
@@Eudric No, he’s the exact same as the others. He just is trying to take the moral high ground while using the same technique because to not would be “bad business”. It would be like a dealer getting into the market, selling heroin and being like “well I’d like to sell weed but heroin is just more profitable so I’m still going to sell it to kids”
Even Mr Bean would present it better
@@edge-rps be fr man
15:02 "I'm not addicted right now, I could quit anytime. I just don't want to quit" - every addict ever
Addendum: John Dunsworth (the actor who played Jim Lahey in the Trailer Park Boys) had an interview on CBC radio where he spoke quite candidly about his gambling addiction, and the psychology of struggling with that.
It's called dedication
@@vacuousbard6410it’s called a problem.
not to mention people online encourage this sort of behaviour
But someone who actually isn’t addicted would say the exact same thing if confronted lol
19:02 what a crazy Statement "1% of gamblers make us 80% of our money so the other 99% of you can gamble freely cause you only create 20% of our money"..
Whale business model. Pretty much every "free to use" service relies on it.
Honestly, it kind of makes me hate the whole thing less cuz they're mostly just robbing stupid rich people, right?
This is how all games with micro transactions especially gacha games work. They don't mind giving you a "free" skins or other stuff because there's 1% of gamers who will buy all the cosmetics, loot boxes, gacha banners, and deluxe battle passes.
I only profit from social casinos.
@edgargarcia6042 Might as well ban everything with any random chance. Trading cards, mystery flavored candies, blind bags, arcades, quarter vending machines with stickers or plastic toys, etc.
God forbid people enjoy the thrill of a fucking surprise.
Arrow and OhnePixel should be held high as true ethical people with good hearts. They deserve all the love, fans, and viewer count.
As someone from the uk it’s crazy how much all of this mirrors the football/ sports betting industry.
Most teams in the country are sponsored by a gambling website or app and every ad break your bombarded with gambling adverts, it’s all ok because they say please gamble responsibly though 🙄
You're*
That's his point: that's all regulated. Sports gambling is adults only.
Same thing in Brazil. Every single top league team is sponsored by a gambling website. Over 22 million people have used sports betting websites and, on average, they spend around 20% of their income on them
@@luisporto98 Its like saying responsible drinking
@@tmack11 I mean it is still definitely an evil industry, but yes, less evil I suppose.
17:00 his best friend has a crippling gambling addiction yet he promotes it??? baffling
Honestly, I feel like the guy is gambling additcted himself. Felt like he was quite concious about what he was doing, but couldn't stop himself. Needless to say, he is probably the most sympathetic of all of the gambling influencer interviewees.
Money + desperation will do things. Add in a rigged streamer account so said streamer wins way more often than loses.
It’s all about the money he doesn’t care
Its all about the Benjamins
"No matter what I do to intervene, it doesn't help him stop gambling" - Career financially thriving gambling promoter. Gee, I wonder why your help might fall flat.
What’s also crazy is violence in video games still gets a lot of news coverage but not underage gambling smh
They’ve been complaining about violence forever. First I can remember is since mortal kombat hit the arcade
Putting money in the right pockets makes things go away fairly quickly.
Yep, despite countless peer-reviewed studies showing statistically zero correlation between screen and irl violence, whereas gambling?
All one needs is a pamphlet-sized psychology lesson on BF Skinner. It’s literally one of the first things we learn in the field, LONG before grad school.
People are using well-established psychological research to make money from children. Awesome.
Source: 25+ years clinical experience
well to be fair little ass kids who would spend away their parents inheritance shouldnt even be playing counter strike in the first place..
This might be the most maddening thing.
Many people hate on public income records, but it is one of strongest tools to spot corruption, scammers, grifters and criminals.
18:30
"The wolf who weeps after killing, is no different from the wolf that doesn’t. Your guilt will not purify you."
Therefore be more efficient about it since nobody gives a shit how you do it.
Where does guilt come from? It comes from god. It’s a punishment. Having guilt is better than none. But you must have the fortitude to change and undo your wrongs. People can change. We are not beholden to our past sins. You certainly aren’t, so what makes you so special and everyone else not?
@@mightyORFEN That’s one theory. Another theory is that our whole evolutionary strategy is built on cooperation, so it makes sense that we’d have checks on antisocial behavior.
There are 3 (4) qualifiers to repentance. The first is acknowledgement of the wrongs you have committed/ [private/personal] confession of wrongdoing. The second is regret to wish that you have never done it. The third is to resolve to never do it again. The fourth is if your actions have affected other people then you need to make amends in whatever way you can.
A repentance without fulfilling those three conditions or the fourth when concerning other people is not accepted. However, fulfilling one is better than none.
True but a wolf must eat. So let's not disparage wolves. Humans can be monsters
So glad this is being covered. Casino business is wicked and evil. It may sugarcoat the facade, but within its complete darkness
Running a business that only exists because some 12 year old kids are addicted to gambling. It’s almost impressive these people are able to live with themselves.
Is it countrr strike issue, gambling issue or casino issue? Lets ban everything... Stupid af
@@aleckgardner6845and they won’t bc they shouldn’t of age ppl should be able to gamble
@@ByteMe908 fine they gamble free drops, cs is +16 if you forgot
@@aleckgardner6845or...*gasp*..the parents doing their job
Him saying "I don't Advertise it" while his profile photo on a videocall IS his advertisement is CRAZY
Thats just because juicy hasnt done a face reveal. He always refers to himself by that logo even in his videos.
@@Marwanskii your logo doesn't have to be an advertisement
his name is his code
@@Pylllero what do you expect his referral code to be dude? a big name creator isnt gonna have a random string of letters as their code are they?
@@Marwanskiilmfao you are delusional 😂
Fun fact: You cannot upload this video on the GlobalOffensive or CS2 subreddits! It immediately gets eliminated.
I remember playing CS:GO and about 89% of my friends and 'online-friends' were gambling. NONE OF THEM were over 18 years old...
Social Darwinism at work.
Beautiful.
Yeah, I watched my classmates gamble skins in class. We were 13
@@The13thRonin Uhh no, kids fall victim to predatory shit because they are you know, kids. thats why we have laws. Calling that "social darwinism" sounds like a low iq person trying to sound smart lol.
3:30. Hold up!... The purchases go to Europe? Isn't valve a US company?
@jumpman51 nothin' wrong with that dude. People just gotta keep it decent, when playing.. but man some of them kids have mouths tho.. 😂😂😂
🙏✌️
Everyone did it back in the day. It was so easy.
This is an important video coffee. No one else calls these people out. You can hear the guilt while they answer because deep down they know what they are doing is wrong.
*wipes tears with stacks of hundred dollar bills*
It's all performative. If they actually gave a shit, they wouldn't promote gambling sites.
Juicy complaining about taxes is so predictable and ridiculous
Right? "OMG, I have to contribute back to 'Society' because I'm literally filthy rich now." "I guess I'm a bad guy, but you know who the BIGGER bad guy is...?" That's called whataboutism, and Putin does it all the time. It's classic misdirection spewed by a narcissist.
> gets immense amount of money by exploiting others
> complains about taxes
yeah this guy is the perfect representation of why our economy fucking sucks
Right, the tone in his voice… like he cannot believe the audacity that he would have to pay what is hopefully a large amount of taxes on money gain from ruining people and their families lives.
@@pd7484 he's not exploiting anyone if he literally tells them to not gamble. if they don't listen to him and do something, that's their problem. be a man and take responsibility.
@@bobsaget3841 people ruined their own lives lmao i can't with you copiumcels 😂
"One of the downsides of Norway is that people can see how successful my scam is" Okay dude haha
"It's like everywhere you go you see heroin and your hero is on heroin." Oofs in Gen X, we lived that and lost a lot of people before that stopped being perceived as cool.
Same with millennials, lost far too many friends/schoolmates to heroin.
@@devinmcguffin7866 Right, if anything we are the worst affected from that issue.
"stopped being perceived as cool"? stopped when?
same with alcohol btw. its everywhere. and then the gov expects u to stop and shit, while walking around heroin all the time :/
Lucky, Heroin is seen as illegal by the law, so no one is openly promoting since you know, going arrested isn't a good thing. Now that Galaxy Gas, lootbox, battle pass, model Pay to win games, Microtransaction is on grey area and everyone can do on public, promote on public and become something cool.
How many kids hate do miss the "cool wagon" and seen as a dorky or loser? Change the names, but story is always the same.
You should investigate the gambling issue on Roblox where the ages are even younger.
Opening pokemon cards or other types of TCG are a type of addiction as well.
Google roblox hindenburg or roblox gambling.
I can't see how it won't go away without regulation.
@@PokemonSeanWe have a global gambling epidemic and it's disheartening to see
Between professional sports like the NBA promoting sportsbooks, online gambling being more mainstream, and even ALMOST EVERY POPULAR MOBILE GAME having some form of gambling (which they hide as "fun gacha systems") it's a disease which is going to get much worse before it starts to get better
@@PokemonSean CEO of gambling is kinder eggs
And that isn't even the worst Roblox has to offer...
My dad has a saying, “Control as many of the variables as possible.” That makes me just hate gambling. I don’t mind if others do I just don’t.
To stand on principle and say no to $300,000. Damn that takes a lot.
per month too.... ngl I feel like I wouldn't have the strength to
@@alternatereality2823Even if I was completely broke I wouldn't take the 30k. I hate gambling. The entire concept is a scam.
$300,000 even bimonthly would be a life changer. I know the guy already said it, but it'd also make it easier on my mom so that she could retire, and it'd help with all the expenses the family has too.
I don't think I could say no to that.
Worst part is if you do control all the variables you can control, like by counting cards or using some other winning system. They can just kick you out...
Never understood how that's even legal. Like you're allowed to play unless you actually start winning?!
@@faxmine 300k once in a life time would be a life changer. 300k is enough to build your own house or buy one. 300k is also enough to just buy a relatively nice house, as long as it's not close to a city center or in an expensive ass location.
29:17 Arrow is a good man in a world of con artists and robbers. He adhered to his morals throughout his short time streaming years and until now. There may be others with a similar experience, but we should definitely honor those that are doing the right thing!
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Valve is honestly just as guilty in all of this. They're the ones that are letting this propagate uncontrolled, just because its making them millions.
That is kind of the crazy part. Valve is already the "pachinko parlor" and the casinos are the "prize shops", if people are familiar with the loopholes in japanese gambling law. They could instantly kill every one of these websites with a few changes to the code, but it would mean giving up too much money.
Well yes, Gaben is kingpin and valve is deliberately doing it, they are not just part of it,they literally invented whole scheme.
I highly doubt Gaben is involved in this
The sun is leaking
Truth. Prepare to be downvoted by all Valve fanboys, cuz "they saved pc gaming".
29:40 that amount of self control and awareness is completely incredible. Actual human.
Who is this?
Arrowcs, a prominent bug eater.
Promoting gambling is more addicting than gambling itself since you will always win. So you might think "Oh it's just one month of cashing and than I'll stop" but you won't.
It's technically not more addicting to always win. Addiction is based on the uncertainty of the reward. I don't quite understand it but from what I've seen and read it become a fixation, and your brain heavily invest time/energy/money in order to minimize the risk of missing out on the reward.
The dopaminergic system has been hijacked.
lol what? By ur logic everything is addicting? That’s like saying ur addicted to getting nordvpb sponsorships on ur videos. “Wait I did work and got paid??? ITS WIN WIN” tf u saying
literally every gambling youtuber loses huge
@@Bigblackman-k6n They get paid by the gambling sites, so while they may lose during gambling, it's a net win.
@@Bigblackman-k6n like xqc?
Some industries you cannot simply stop:
1. Arms
2. Pharma
3. Adult
4. Alcohol & Drugs
5. Gambling
6. Banking and Usury
They bring trillions of dollars, and people who run them wont let you get near their empires, not even remotely.
Add oil to that
@@joelman1989 Bingo, Oil and Resources
And when you realize that war and pharma is the biggest $$$ in the world you understand that these people absolutely do not want peace in the world or healthy people. Damn they would lose all their customers
Saying a friend has a problem at 17:25 ish, knowing what it does to that friend... While STILL Promoting it knowing full well it will lead to that...
Money talks I will also promote it too if it made me a Shit ton of money in this day and age
No kidding. No wonder his friend doesn't listen. He's compromised af
Is it really your fault that people are destroying their life by over doing something because they're weak?
@@vsupps1fault isn’t binary. It is their fault partially. But it’s a heavy expectation which will likely lead to disappointment (just look at the numbers stating that 75% of the biggest streamers promote gambling). However, that rare 25% are worthy of respect. I can’t tell you who to blame, but I can tell you who to praise - the 25.
@@vsupps1putting whether it’s also his fault or not, i think the more important thing is about his morality. I’m not sure what he’s trying to do by telling Coffee that story while being a promoter of gambling himself, maybe to make himself looks better by trying to help said friend get over his addiction? But if anything it’s only makes him look worse since in the end he still choose to promote gambling while having a person close to him addicted to it
This might be your best series to date. Showing how deeply complex the matter is, highlighting how no easy fix is viable, exposing the hypocrisies of all parts involved... is not a simple task. Well done, and thank you!
The main reason it isn't even remotely discussed, is you have to convince a bunch of 50-80 year olds, at least here in the USA, that online gaming can not only be predatory but is actively swindling people. These folks are daydreaming about their menage a trois back in the 70's and since about 1995 haven't update their world view. The few who have, sit in silence because why ruin the golden goose. It's why online and sports gambling have soared, any legislation protecting consumers has been walked back.
The easy fix is truly easy --- Valve needs to lock skins to the account that gets them from the lootbox. Without the ability to transfer skins this problem vaporizes over night, as would Valve's profit from the game. So yeah that won't happen...
@@LV9_xi had an argument about this on reddit recently.
The amount of gambling ads that pop up on tv, on social media, and video games is alarming...
Well there is actually an easy fix, but it's not up to the influencers or the online casinos. Valve needs to stop the skins from even reaching these 3rd party gambling sites.
Just read the full CSGOroll response, TLDR "We havent been caught yet as a disguised casino, therefore we wont admit it" its absolutley disgusting, really appreciate what you are doing coffee, as always keep up the hard work exposing these scum
Finally csgo roll is catching shit.
Monarch is becoming the Two-Face to Coffeezilla's Batman. Man's got a Harvey Dent buried in there somewhere dying to come out.
He deserves no credit. His is a pretty easy position to take. He made his millions becoming one of the top CSGO casinos off the backs of gambling addicts, including many underage; but NOW he cares and wants the regulations, because he bets that he would still be at the top after such regulations were put in place.
@@Spike-hl2mw So more like Penguin?
@@Nink262 More like Red Hood
The only thing I hate is that you guys say growth doesn’t happen or you’re not satisfied with it because of their past nefarious in nature and not.
The average cops are everyday people and were fucking nerds in highschool, on the male side. But it takes informants and those with true knowledge to help catch the guys who are still very much active.
If that flew over your heads.. idk
This is how companies keep their dominant positions in new markets. They come in, rake in money, then to stifle competition they lobby lawmakers to increase regulations that only they can afford and which blocks new entrants/competition.
I'm a software engineer/ game dev who refuses to work on games with exploitative monetization strategies, and I absolutely love, love, love to see you go after that now! I really hope there will be some real change some day!
macrotransactions! just what everyone needs. Like microtransactions but bigger!
So you’re out of work is what you’re saying..lol.
@@travisvanalst4698 facts only possible way he can do this is to basically make a game with 0 financial gain
Honestly, getting mad at Streamer/RUclipsrs or even the gambling websites is hypocritical, when you don't critize the one organisation which facilitates ALL of this.
Idk would your family/kids/wife be happier that you make a lot of money or you’re morally superior than others lol
This is the journalism we need right now. The internet is a hive of scams with very little punishment due to being so hard to stop. This is what we need!
This cross's a territory of regulation. And i don't know how i feel about my internet being regulated.
I can add some small context to this story.
Monarch mentioned RuneScape as the go-to game to gamble on back in the day. This was actually an issue to such level, that Jagex (the developer company) was forced by the major credit card companies to remove any form of gambling due to the extensive amount of refunds and malicious activity that came with it. Basically threatened to lose all their revenue and go bankrupt overnight if they couldn't handle it. Jagex banned gambling, lost a big chunk of their player base, but managed to stay afloat.
Valve learned from Jagex's mistakes, they now have their own payment processing and refund system through Steam, this way noone but Valve has the final say on whether it's okay to buy skins with a stolen card, whether the customer is 12 or 40 years old, and whether a whole economy of gambling and money laundering exists on top of their games.
“Yeah, gambling is evil”
Proceeds to promote gambling
yeah that’s basically it. I don’t think these guys are super evil villains but rather pawns that profit off an inhumane system and decide to ignore any morals they have left (which is probably not a lot after years of doing this).
They are just capitalists acting like they are expected to
Sure it's easy to sit here from the sidelines and pretend you would never accept the money. But that is some life changing money definitely in an industry where 1 controversy can end your entire career or you can slowly fade into irrelevance.
@@Denolc doesnt makes them look any better, if anything it reflects even poorer upon their character, they've earned enough money to secure the next dozen generations at the this point but STILL chooses to take on gambling sponsors.
We don’t need government regulation. They will regulate themselves. Them regulating themselves.
“If they’re doing it and I don’t I’ll be left behind” is always going to be the line uttered before falling straight into depravity.
precisely how world of warcrack is
One of the top Google Play games in 2013-2014 was CSGO case opening simulator. We played it when we were 9-10. That's how bad it is.
dawg thats on u💀
Case Clicker? If so that game was so good. All the dopamine, none of the losses
oh, I remember that, honestly though they kept me away from ever opening a case, you just saw how you lose every time
@@Masticore_too real
I don't know this simulation is perfectly simulate the rate of actual csgo gacha is but i tried cause people love opening cs go skin, and damn the crazy how you can lose thousand dollar i can see the amount cause this app simulator give price per different box and key and get no gold knife is insane
I feel like much of the sports journalism and independent sports streamer industry is in a similar boat. Much of what exists now is thanks to Fantasy Sportsbooks like Underdog, ESPN Bet, Draft Kings, and such. The major difference, as far as I know, is how targeted younger audiences are in the CS Skin gambling industry compared to mainstream sports betting
Oh Coffee, as someone who has been in the counter strike competitive community since 2001.... This goes even further back. Organizations like iBuyPower were banned from competition due to match throwing because the team had bets on the match (and who knows how many others prior) - What about Moe owning a site and promoting it far before ANY of the names you're mentioning? I cant wait, I hope you cover ALL of this.
Honestly, you could easily make an entire TV-series worth of videos on just the history between moe, phantoml0rd, etc and betting sides.
I mean it goes back further to that to the beginning of esports with match fixing in starcraft broodwar, which goes back even further to match fixing in any other sport or event that money can be bet on. The methods have just gotten more predatory and less regulated.
Don't forget about Tmartin and Syndicate owning a site and pretending they didn't while promoting it.
Wait Ibuypower?!?! That’s a big name! I’m pretty sure I my dad bought a PC from them in like 2010.
@ yessir same iBuyPower. They sponsored/owned a CS team, google ‘steel IBP match throwing’
Grimm: 27:16 "The downside with norway is that income is public" - no it's not a downside. It adds transparency and helps discover crazy things like this.
Absolutely disagree. Regardless of any perceived benefit, you have no right to know that information about me or any other private individuals. If you want business numbers, that's pretty big standard quarterly filing.
@@rucker69 This is a matter we'll just have to agree to disagree on. Merry Christmas! 🎄
@@cleverlyblonde what's really funny is that Grims public files says his company is registered as an advertising agency. Good luck explaining his buisiness when the government or lottery agency start digging. (if they do.. and that's a BIG if). iirc then promoting foreign gambling sites is illegal in Norway even if you promote it on youtube internationally. You still have to abide by Norwegian laws. and afaik that is illegal in Norway, and even worse when people under age is involved. (Then again. i could be completely wrong on all accounts here and just spewing out BS)
It's sick, there are a significant proportion who are susceptible to gambling addiction
I wasnt expecting Monarch to feel so strongly about child gambling? Does his website take measures in that way?
where did you get the link to this video?
@EdLrandom I saw a Playlist and clicked it, humbly appreciating whatever bug led me here
Wth?? Video was published 1 minute ago and the comments are from 5 minutes ago
Comment was here a few minutes before video was even published lmao
@asioud there may have been a premiere? Idk
Coffee's going after Valve... Oh, THIS is gonna be goooooood.
Valve is held at such a high esteem online that its insane.
They have a monopoly on pc gaming, the fees they take from developers are plain robbery and they pioneered gambling in video games. All so Gabe can keep adding billions in the bank account.
@@Mr30friendsand yet companies put their games on Steam ;)
@@Mr30friends The 30% cut is an industry standard (EGS is irrelevant) and their monopoly on PC gaming is due entirely to getting in the door first and providing a superior service. I'm not a Valve zealot and I get my games on GOG when I can but there's a reason everyone uses Steam.
@@bleyd__ ofc they do. They have no other real choice. If you dont publish on steam you wont ever make money. Thats why they are a monopoly. All other storefronts are irrelevant.
@@kayooftheWell They do have a good product. But they also are a monopoly.
I'm sure standard oil sold pretty damn good oil too.
A Coffee a day keeps the scams away
Of course not, don't be zilly, but at least we get some entertainment
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The Eye of Gabe is now fixed on Coffeezilla. The Ring cannot stay here...
Hell yeah
Getting a PT 2 this quickly is sick. I wish more big RUclipsrs were this quick to follow up.
Still waiting on Punic Wars pt 3 from Oversimplified lol
Coffee generally finishes the whole series before publishing the first chapter
Skins to win
This video really makes me want to start gambling on Counter Strike skins....🤤 (SORRY! Lame joke).
Part 3 is out on Patreon as well
This is the actual reason Counter Strike 2 is the top game on Steam. Most people are just gambling like the banana game
Most players are actually bots that are farming the free weekly drops
CS:GO the game that popularized random loot boxes in western video games
Has a major gambling problem
Which sucks because it is a solid shooter
@@christianweibrecht6555 Tf2 did it first by several years. Cs just upped the scale in both money and number of participants. Valve is still at fault either way.
@ true, and it’s still taboo to publicly criticize Valve
Also, the rationalization of “if I don’t do it, others will do it anyways”. That is crazy bullsh..t. Addiction up and down all the whole system. Including the people who run these casinos.
As somone close to the prime target age (15), it annoys me how close i was to falling into this trap. I remember clicking on these sites thru youtube promotion links, and thankfully my wifi blocked the site. These sites use malicious hooks to try to encourage you to enter their gambling sites , free money to start off, the guarantee of high value skins, etc. STAY AWAY from cases and gambling sites in cs.
Your dad blocked the sites. Got it.
Great job dude. You're a much smarter 15 year old than I was😂😂
I gained like 25k in skins twice and lost it all. Could've ruined my life but luckily I snapped tf outve it. Thank whoever blocked that shit on your wifi, winning big is what I imagine heroin is like. Never felt a bigger rush.
@@FelaleW dad
@@Felale I mean, honestly kids shouldn't have access to these sorts of sites period.
@lucyla9947 Draft Kings would like to have a word with your entire family.
You forgot to mention that there is a literal casino built into CS2 (Cases, capsules, packages, trade ups etc.). The game is also 18+ rated.
It's coming in the next ep, he showed a teaser at the end with those things
@@sullivan3004the next episode is only on his patreon
Valves salaries are around 80k to 200k depending on the role and seniority. Wonder where the money comes :D
@@sullivan3004I wonder if that will even be the final episode. The CSGO/CS2 rabbit hole appears to be endless...
the thing is tho, if you want a specific skin, you can just buy it in the market place
"I hate watching people loose." - Person being paid with the money from other people's loses
I don't know how you messed up lose twice, but it cracked me up. 😂
And I'm honestly just trying to help. The first time woulda been lose, and the second time woulda been losses. Loose is when something fits you big, like a shirt or pants. 👍
"My friend is a literal gambling addict, but I advertise gambling because it's gonna happen anyway."
Ah, yes, the "I murdered that guy because he was going to die anyway" defense.
This is a serious issue I interacted with roblox / csgo gambling when i was 11 i saw all those huge wins on tiktok / youtube and i started to get attached i went from doing 5 dollar bet to going 200 and ended up losing all my money even stole from others to gamble it was not a great experience one thing leads to other i started doing illegal stuff to get money to gamble until now i have not get rid of this addiction yet i want to cure it but everytime i get money its just the idea to get back into gambling because of the amout of gambling videos i see online this video really touched me to quit the gambling and block all the social media gambling videos. This def deserve a sub
Everywhere I go I see gambling ads of one kind or another, it's sickening knowing that so many people were tricked into becoming addicts as children.
You can do it. Get outside help if you need it.
Small detail, but I love what Coffee did with the aspect ratios at 1:45. Shrinks his own with the testimonials scrolling in the new blank space, and the testimonials are all in the aspect ratio he shrunk down to. The shrinking and graphic scroll feels like a sneaky way to smooth the transition between Coffee’s aspect ratio and that of the testimonials.
This might be your most important series yet, I'd say. Online gambling is a blight that causes real harm to people, and its scarily widespread and intractable. I don't know the solution, but I know it begins with awareness.
You should also point out that influencers don't use their own money to gamble. The gambling sites give them free credits, using their own currency to top up the influencers' accounts and make it look more glamorous. The influencers don’t actually withdraw anything, so the companies lose nothing. Worse yet, some sites even rig the odds to favor the influencer to sell the scheme.
Gambling is one of those blights i fear humanity will never escape because the victims want to partake. They will go out of their way to seek out their abusers and shield them from scrutiny
Yup, it's an evil that should be banned in all it's wretched forms (slots, card packs, virtual cases etc)
That really is what these influencers are, abusers.
@@dracvichcard packs ? At least I can collect physical cards and have a hobby organizing them in a satsifying way. It doesn't have to be a gambling thing.
@@senaeu But it is.
@@josephs.3372 It isn't. There's a reason the definition of gambling excludes stuff like TCGs.
So basically, Donk, one of the GOAT CS players, legit just won a CS Major - valve sponsored event while still being a literal minor and sponsored by casino. bro’s out here repping gambling shirt while underage on live events and even on HLTV avatar and nobody says anything. Make it make sense 😂.
The law has been so slow to adapt to how much society has changed, and technology. Like, you think THIS is bad? Micro transactions ALONE on IOS are BILLIONS! And yet we can’t get them made illegal around the world because we have too many countries with their own laws and we can’t have one form of universal law that overrides borders in the persuit of real justice.
@@shcdemolisher The issue is boomers in governments who refuse to let younger poiliticians and their ideas take the stage. It could be regulated easily.
@@shcdemolisherAl be honest pal what you’ve said there is bacically a different language. Anyone outside the computing/gaming/digital world wouldn’t have a scooby what you’re on about
@@ShonwaMcFeckertywhat? Most people who have ever interacted with a phone know what microtransactions are. And that was the only thing that they mentioned that was even kind of a """gaming"""-specific term.
@@nikkiofthevalley nobody Ken’s a thing about micro transactions Nikki hen. Is it just sending a penny from ur bank or suttin?
Back in my middle/high school many students were involved in the CSGO gambling/trading ecosystem. It was a big thing in Russia with our own websites, influencers advertising this alongside stolen account markets
Liar
Oh yeah I remember myself being involved with all that bs back when I was a kid living in Russia. I thought I was smart and had a system. I didn't. Luckily I managed to stop.
@ 🤥
This Juicy dude is actually insufferable
I stopped playing CS like 10 years ago. When I heard about gambling and CS I figured people were just betting on certain teams to win like they do football games. Had no idea about all this loot box stuff. What a joke.
When csgolounge was around, it was like that.
28:28 "i gotta pay a stupid tax rate on that" oh the poor guy who made millions scaming children
dont you just feel bad he has to pay a tiny fraction of his money
/s
it's just not fair 😢
“Stupid tax rate” like you know the Scandinavian guy is getting taxes up ass compared to him
Literally got a CS2 gambling ad on this video lmao
I don’t even play it😂
The algorithm is working 😅
i find it ironic how my yt ads were all gambling ads on this vid
Throwback to a great Coffeezilla quote: “When one Steve won’t do it… another Steve will.”
At this point I'm just waiting on the inevitable Coffee X Gamer's Nexus crossover. All of the Steve's
I was gonna say, I wonder how much of Valve's business model revolves and fosters this scene. Glad the next part will look into that. Good work dude
I'd estimate it's like 5% of their total profits
It’s not valve… it’s all the companies. Loot boxes are like in app purchases. Everyone does it. Terrible practice.
At least with CS everything about the game is free basically. I haven’t bought a new CS since 2013… 11 years of free updates.
a negligible amount, valve has probably made more off a single triple a release
@@WriggleNightbug half a billion dollars a year is not negligible
No more skin trading/selling kills this INSTANTLY.
Monarch pointing out how quickly you can downward spiral is a spot on, and him explaining how website algorithms suck people back in is horrifying. I don't play CS or do anything related so I never see those type of ads, sort of speaks to how they will target those who seem vulnerable.
Wow idk who Juicy is but those words alone paint a horrific picture of the guy.
He’s a pipsqueak pal hides behind the European mafia
agreed i used to play alot of gatcha and spent a decent amount on them when i was younger noithing crazy but it was still like 1-2k a year and now nearly 10 years later i still see an insane amount of gatcha game ads anywhere i go online
Valve could stop this in an instant by disabling trading between accounts.
They wouldn't even need to disable key purchases, or the marketplace, and I doubt it would impact their revenue at all.
Then destroy those who've profited off gambling, and try returning any high value skins to the people who have been scammed.
You are soo out of touch on any point you made......
clueless deluxe… if valve disabled trading, then there would be no high value skins to be returned, as there would be no value in an item that cant be traded…
The loophole thing is also something that happens in physical gambling too. Here in Pennsylvania we have these things called "Pennsylvania Skill Games" which are basically a slot machine. However, they have a feature where you can play games to get back your money if you fail. The "games" are boring and repetitive and take a long time and are fairly difficult, so few users actually do them. But that was enough to get them spread across the state - you see these machines in many gas stations and corner stores now, and they are "too big to fail now" - the state is probably going to legalize them soon, and business owners love them. It's really awful
I'm from Wisconsin and that sounds insane. We have casinos but they're spread out. Some of the local bars have slots but I rarely see them used. So we are all addicted to alcohol and drugs but fewer gamble lol
That sounds like you can make a lot of money if you’re patient
@@luipaardprintyou'd probably make more per hour just working a normal job though. I don't have any personal experience with that system but based on the "boring and repetitive" part of OP's comment, the "games" are probably built to return X dollars every Y minutes, and that ratio isn't going to be very good. If it takes you ten minutes to earn back $1, that's a whopping $6/hr.
That is NOT what "too big to fail" means
@@pod6679then you haven’t REALLY paid attention here in Wisconsin. A LOT of people play the bar tab slot machine & crane games if a bar offers them
Gah Damn, Arrow's name really fits him so well, hearing him talk about how he could retire his mom with that offer was so touching, i'm not even into CSGO but i'll subscribe to him anyway.
Yeah. The guy promoting gambling to children is on the road to sainthood.
@@essencediviner He's made some case unboxing videos before, but does not to my knowledge spend time on the actual gambling sites. His channel primarily revolves around talking about skins and skin trading. Dunno why you're bringing down a hammer on him over that as there's not really anything wrong with his content in my eyes.
@@oatfarmer6501there's an argument to be made but you're starting from the premise that he shows/promotes gambling on stream, which is incorrect.
he does skin showcases/reviews, which may influence people to buy cases
@@oatfarmer6501 Did you even watch the video? Arrow is a dude that is NOT sponsored by a gambling site and was explaining why he turned it down.
Like, genuinely, wtf is this comment?
@@sere971 he still does gamble using ofcourse valves cs go market, he streams case openings, it does promote it, but turning down gambling deals is def a big deal. which is literally the next episode covering what the real problem is, Its Valve and their in game case opening system. and any1 who does this, especially on a lvl that influences such as OhnePixel and ArrowCS do, are promoting gambling, sorry but thats the truth brother
Honestly, any self regulated industry will see the same problems CS2 gambling sites have. They will always just skirt the edge of the widest most basic laws of our society and use whatever loopholes they can find to make the most amount of money possible without even thinking about the consequences, intended or otherwise, of their actions.
It's crazy how many gambling ads I got on this video. But amazing work coffee, keep it up dude
16:38 I love how thats literally the same excuse drug dealers use in any interview or behind the scenes expose shows
15:03 "In the beginning it was about the money, now I just really enjoy ruining people's lives."
that's a batshit crazy thing to say
sad, you could see he was stumbling on his words trying to think of what would make him sound the least shitty
@@heapsofcobalt Yeah all of them we're trying to find a good way out of it, almost like they just never even thought about what they we're doing...
@@alexx12545 They are very aware of what they are doing. But money corrupts the mind and makes you rationalize it into whatever makes you sleep at night.
Between this and Honey getting exposed… I’d say 2024 was a good year
100%. Glad to see good, seemingly ethical journalism rise to popularity again.
Great way to end the year with 2 massive exposé cases.
Lots been exposed this year. Hopefully next year is even more explosive.
Sorry, I'm dumb. What happened to Honey?
Wait, does he have a video on Honey?
Coffee, I think a big part of this conversation that has to do with the consumer AND the proprietors (that I feel was slightly missed here) was addiction. This conversation is about money and that’s what you do, but being such an arbiter in the space I feel it would be good to talk about how addiction factors into it all. I can speak from my own experience to say that knowing someone is “screwing” you getting you addicted to something, isnt going to change your drive to fulfill that high. I know it’s not really your thing, but that’s my 2 cents. Great video as always.
"i just genuinely love getting people addicted to gambling" is such a worse answer than "the money is too good" omg
that is NOT what he said 😭🙏
@@ashes4ashes174 i was being hyperbolic
@@ashes4ashes174 It's called "Reading in-between the lines"
He didn't mean it like that
If I recall correctly, Valve actually got in trouble with Australian and Washington state governments over gambling on the platform.
Their recompense? Adding a new "gambling" warning label to the sidebar of Steam games, down in the section where most people don't notice alongside controller and language support information.
That was enough to satisfy both governments and no other lawsuits at the government level have happened since.
Valve must hate the Australian government, they're the reason that Steam has to give you a refund if you've played less than 2 hours
I think it was partially Valve started hitting a lot of the bigger ones as well, leading to people thinking "Ah, Valve has cracked down on this, our work here is done" and moving on to the next problem.
The Australian government should be the last ones to talk about this, btw. Their casinos run the entire f**king country. They literally got away with firebombing a journalist'/RUclipsr's house(friendlyjordies).
Too many people let Valve off the hook because of their good reputation. This corporation isn't your friend.
@@Jumbleman5 yeah alot of ppl I've noticed have almost a messianic admiration of Gabe Newell; if you point out Valve or Steam have done something wrong they freak out on you and go to bat to defend them from all accusations. Even when it's 100% fact they've done it and been caught doing it.
Gambling, at least in the US, has gotten insane and seems to have little regulation outside of the formal casino.
Australia and Canada are much worse
SILENCE CHECKMARK 🙄
Yeah man I cant believe they let these children gamble on packs of trading cards, deplorable
@@BleachDemon707 what
@@BleachDemon707 we hating people with checkmark now?
These streamers gave the weakest defenses possible. Why didn't they just stay off the show lmao
They all think they’re the smart one in the room and can’t imagine they’d talk themselves into a hole. Thing is, the trick with getting people like that to give up the game is…just let them talk. They’ll just keep vomiting up words because they think they can eventually say the right thing to get the interviewer to agree with them.
This is something I have witnessed myself, in an odd way.
I am not a gambler at all, but a lot of people really underestimate the power that dopamine hit has.
I was hanging out at my local EB Games store, when this young man in a suit walks in (think corporate employee).
Customer: "Hi, I would like to buy three hundred dollars of Playstation vouchers"
Manager leans over slightly to the tower of cards and vouchers.
Customer: "It sucks you can't connect your credit card to your PSN account."
Me (internally, sirens are blaring and red flags are being waved): "What do you mean?"
Customer: "I play FIFA, and I love opening the packs."
Manager and I exchange a slightly concerned glance.
Me: "You mean, getting the cards?"
Customer: "No. Just opening the packs feels soo good."
Customer then off-handedly mentions how he lies to his GF about how he gets so many FIFA packs to open.
Me (internally there are so many red flags waving): "Do you have any kids?"
Customer: "Nope." He then finishes his purchase and leaves.
I was super addicted to buying packs in NBA 2K because it was so exciting getting the best players
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn So basically, this is a thing in ALL video games??? i remember when people were panicked about video games causing gun violence and school shootings a decade ago. I didnt believe it. this is a whole different beast. But tbf i know a lot of people who play video games and usually its just a thing to do with friends not spending all this money on it
@@00shivani MOST games have this RNG BS, ROBLOX EVEN HAS IT, GACHA GAMES ARE BUILT ON THIS
@@LajosKossuthOnline omg I remember this girl I would babysit, her parents were going through a divorce so each one would try to spoil her and make her happy so she would take their side. They would spoil her with Roblox gift cards. Jesus I didn’t have a clue 🤦🏽♀️ sure.. we know the influencers are bad, the casinos the game companies, but at the end of the day the parents are making it worse. Parents need to be made aware of this cuz it seems like the only ppl who are aware are the victims.
@@00shivaniIt's not a thing in ALL video games.
But almost any game that is free to play has this kind of model built in.
Though specifically in fps games this has been slowly reducing over the past few years
Valve can end this tomorrow by flooding the market with all the rare skins then stopping loot boxes but somehow they escape all criticism.
Yeah valve doesn't give a shit, they're pretty much promoting it. Lootboxes are predatory asf.
Exactly. The developers/platforms have as much as a fault in this as these guys running the 3rd party sites... Look at EA and their loot boxes...
Remember - it's not lootboxes, it's called surprise mechanics.
Why should valve cover the loss of government's lack of responsibility and people's greed?
Some People life depend on these skins. They make money by trading it. Flipping it etc if they do something like that it would be bad. They are now trying to move away from lootbox opening by adding option to rent them. Also they added 7 day trade cooldown to skin and also banned gambling bots but after that they started using p2p methods and some people to this day still get banned. Like that juicy guy and a lot of csgoroll providers got banned on steam
The Valve transition was so goooood. Any gamer who's a gamer knew that sound when it hit, I got chills.