I can't believe in that bathroom they took the tile off the wall and in place slapped up sheets of FRP board. Incredible lol. I've only seen FRP used in commercial kitchens or laundry rooms, never in a residential bathroom before lmfao
Just leave it ungrounded and slap on a "no equipment ground" sticker on the GFCI and "no equipment ground" and "gfci protected" on the downstream receptacle. Both should be in the box with the new GFCI receptacle. Don't hook up the ground on the load side. No bootleg ground needed. NEC 406.4(D)(2).
@@throttlebottle5906 100% check your local code. However I'd love to see an example of a local code forbidding ungrounded GFCI receptacles. A properly functioning GFCI should cut power before anything hits the ground, and a malfunctioning GFCI shouldn't put any power to the receptacles since they're all required to be self-testing thesed days. Unlike Chicago's fascination with conduit, forbidding ungrounded GFCI receptacles doesn't really bring any benefits (and may discourage compliance given the relative cost of running a new ground).
One thing I hate messing with is electricity. I can change out switches and outlets, but every time, it seems to turn into a nightmare. Especially in old houses.
@@thehandymanexperience226 I figured they were trying to get those mystery blank fillers to stay in. Why you found em in the panel behind the dead cover. Just an edumacated guess. ;)
@@thehandymanexperience226 I saw some wild stuff doing safety inspections for a local FD and a few arson investigations. People will do crazy stuff when they want electric. 🤔
@@BackwoodsLaw exactly why the tape was there. the dinosaur age square-d were notorious for oversized cover knockouts and fillers not fitting. as well as breakers being slightly different size and losing tension on the bus lug. it's about time they have the panel replaced....
Leviton's residential GFCIs are a bit thinner than the competition (at least that's how they're marketed) and they're $10/ea or less for the tamper resistant ones at the orange box store if you buy the 2 or 3 packs. The 3 packs aren't on the shelves so they're buy online for in-store pickup only. Even in the same area the prices will vary by neighborhood (some orange stores are about twice the price).
ahh, dinosaur aged square d panel. as you just learned the cover knockouts are too large for the fillers to snap in. easiest fix is just plug in the a handful of the cheapest breakers to fill the panel and label them not connected/spare. sometimes the breakers will even pop out through them. at that age, the breakers have likely lost tension on the bus lugs and the really old breakers don't fit newer QO panels for a hill of beans (not that I'd ever re-use breakers anyway). just my past findings 🤔
Dont know that the ground wire is doing any good. If it dont go to earth then tapping it to the box does what ?? The box is not grounded. What if it was a plastic box, same thing You can install an un-grounded GFI, it just has to be marked on the outlet as being so and I believe you should mark the downstream outlets as well
Once a week I find a pannel like that... I have to turn my blinders on and stop at some point. I would love to change every double tapped breaker to singles in general it's not that safe. Like you I'm always adding grounds to metal boxes seems to never end. Remember just enough to keep it from burning down but not too much to redo the pannel.
I had the same problem finding KO covers for a QO panel. hardware store argued with me what they were selling me was the right one....but they are short by about a 1/4".....
Thanks for sharing the reality of the shitshows that we run into but we'll make it better by the time we leave. Step by step I'd have done it all the same. At least those clips had just enough of a little flat part for glue so that was good. Stay well.
The Handyman Experience that bootleg ground is very dangerous and it is not code also when i change a outlet or switch i do it hot with with Klein Insulated screwdrivers but the only time i kill the power is if there it 4 wires if there is 2 wires i will do it hot but very carefully.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get the ground from the load side? The ground needs to be supplied by the line side as that's where the ground comes from (the breaker box connection).
The theoretical ground should have come from the ground wire he attached to the box. The problem is the metal box itself isn't grounded because it's nailed into a stud most likely and it's just Romex without conduit.
@@thehandymanexperience226 Nor on the load side as the load side is dependent on the wiring from the line side. This is a circular reference as the ground must come from the line side and since the line side has no ground wire, no ground will be on the load side or whole branch circuit.
@@TheDigitaldoug yes I understand, that's why I was saying it was pointless to even hook up the grounds since there wasn't a ground. But I still try to ground whats there. I know it's not grounded.
Man how do you get involved with this crap, you went from a prehistoric exhaust fan to a Freddy Krueger electrical nightmare. Not sure what was longer Gone With The Wind or this video😁, anyway B+ for effort good job 👏 you should’ve taken the bottle of water
I am the exact same way! I DESPISE electrical hacks and others who have no business working with electricity. It just makes my job that much more difficult.
The "fresh copper" that you're always striving for is not really necessary. Once you tighten down the screw clamp on the recept, or twist the wirenut, you've cut through that thin layer of oxidation. You wouldn't last a week on a real electrical crew.
I can't believe in that bathroom they took the tile off the wall and in place slapped up sheets of FRP board. Incredible lol. I've only seen FRP used in commercial kitchens or laundry rooms, never in a residential bathroom before lmfao
Lol 😆 u could only imagine, 🤣 where ever they could save money they will
Didn't expect you updated on a Saturday. Thank you Sir another great job. Kudos Brian.
Thanks dude!!! Lol as soon as I could post I will I'm weird
Just leave it ungrounded and slap on a "no equipment ground" sticker on the GFCI and "no equipment ground" and "gfci protected" on the downstream receptacle. Both should be in the box with the new GFCI receptacle. Don't hook up the ground on the load side. No bootleg ground needed. NEC 406.4(D)(2).
some local, state/city/county/township codes forbid that. so always check local codes.
@@throttlebottle5906 100% check your local code. However I'd love to see an example of a local code forbidding ungrounded GFCI receptacles. A properly functioning GFCI should cut power before anything hits the ground, and a malfunctioning GFCI shouldn't put any power to the receptacles since they're all required to be self-testing thesed days.
Unlike Chicago's fascination with conduit, forbidding ungrounded GFCI receptacles doesn't really bring any benefits (and may discourage compliance given the relative cost of running a new ground).
I don’t know anything about this mess but it’s very interesting. Thanks for sharing
Always close the drain. Was installing a fancy shower the other day and grub screw was missing. Found it under my drop cloth right next to the drain.
I swear I heard both Ed Bassmaster (UNREAL!) and Steve Lavimoniere (Loose as a goose, Mama!) in this video!
Hahaha 😆 I did knock of Steve Lav 🤣
Nice work man!
Thanks, it was a pain!!
One thing I hate messing with is electricity. I can change out switches and outlets, but every time, it seems to turn into a nightmare. Especially in old houses.
You did the best that you can do! With what you have to work with! Old panel!
Thanks, at least you understand
Well that was a fun ride
Yeee-hawww
Good work Brian
Thanks!!
Love your videos, Brian. Sometimes you must take the good with the bad.
You figured out why they had electrical tape on the panel now.
I didn't !!
@@thehandymanexperience226 I figured they were trying to get those mystery blank fillers to stay in. Why you found em in the panel behind the dead cover. Just an edumacated guess. ;)
@@BackwoodsLaw probably! A really bad attempt lol 😆
@@thehandymanexperience226 I saw some wild stuff doing safety inspections for a local FD and a few arson investigations. People will do crazy stuff when they want electric. 🤔
@@BackwoodsLaw exactly why the tape was there. the dinosaur age square-d were notorious for oversized cover knockouts and fillers not fitting.
as well as breakers being slightly different size and losing tension on the bus lug. it's about time they have the panel replaced....
thxs for sharing...
No problem!
Those shitty handy boxes were never meant to hold a GFI, I HATE them with the fire of a thousand suns
Dude lmfao 🤣 u got me laughing out loud hahahah it's so tight!!! 😂
Leviton's residential GFCIs are a bit thinner than the competition (at least that's how they're marketed) and they're $10/ea or less for the tamper resistant ones at the orange box store if you buy the 2 or 3 packs. The 3 packs aren't on the shelves so they're buy online for in-store pickup only. Even in the same area the prices will vary by neighborhood (some orange stores are about twice the price).
ahh, dinosaur aged square d panel. as you just learned the cover knockouts are too large for the fillers to snap in. easiest fix is just plug in the a handful of the cheapest breakers to fill the panel and label them not connected/spare. sometimes the breakers will even pop out through them. at that age, the breakers have likely lost tension on the bus lugs and the really old breakers don't fit newer QO panels for a hill of beans (not that I'd ever re-use breakers anyway). just my past findings 🤔
Dont know that the ground wire is doing any good. If it dont go to earth then tapping it to the box does what ?? The box is not grounded. What if it was a plastic box, same thing
You can install an un-grounded GFI, it just has to be marked on the outlet as being so and I believe you should mark the downstream outlets as well
Once a week I find a pannel like that... I have to turn my blinders on and stop at some point. I would love to change every double tapped breaker to singles in general it's not that safe. Like you I'm always adding grounds to metal boxes seems to never end. Remember just enough to keep it from burning down but not too much to redo the pannel.
Dude I love this, freaking nailed this!! I think we just care too much
I appreciate that 🙏!
Background or Back round @ 27:10......its all the same !!!! LOL 🤣🤣
😆 🤣 😂
background is correct
I had the same problem finding KO covers for a QO panel. hardware store argued with me what they were selling me was the right one....but they are short by about a 1/4".....
I filled the open spots with breakers and marked them blank on the panel sticker
@@scvic2006 expensive, but at least it's safe
Ive used metal puddy when super glue wldnt hold. Next time use rubb8ng alcohol or other solvent to clean surface before glueing might help
🍿 🍿 🍿 almost a full length movie 🎬 🎞 🎥 🎦 📽 👌
Thanks for sharing the reality of the shitshows that we run into but we'll make it better by the time we leave. Step by step I'd have done it all the same. At least those clips had just enough of a little flat part for glue so that was good. Stay well.
Are you even allowed to double tap a breaker
Certain breakers are allowed
What kind of camera/light setup do you use?
I have a hero 11 black and I have the kit that wraps around it and it comes with a mic and u have to buy a light separately which slides in
@@thehandymanexperience226 looks good, thanks for the reply!
@@AndyG-ew5vr no problem
Did you have the main power off to the panel?
I didn't
But safety is number one !
The Handyman Experience that bootleg ground is very dangerous and it is not code also when i change a outlet or switch i do it hot with with Klein Insulated screwdrivers but the only time i kill the power is if there it 4 wires if there is 2 wires i will do it hot but very carefully.
Yep the boot leg is definitely against code!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get the ground from the load side? The ground needs to be supplied by the line side as that's where the ground comes from (the breaker box connection).
The theoretical ground should have come from the ground wire he attached to the box. The problem is the metal box itself isn't grounded because it's nailed into a stud most likely and it's just Romex without conduit.
This is true, but There's no ground on the line side
@@thehandymanexperience226 Nor on the load side as the load side is dependent on the wiring from the line side. This is a circular reference as the ground must come from the line side and since the line side has no ground wire, no ground will be on the load side or whole branch circuit.
@@TheDigitaldoug yes I understand, that's why I was saying it was pointless to even hook up the grounds since there wasn't a ground. But I still try to ground whats there. I know it's not grounded.
the gremlen been in there
Hey you gotta do what you gotta do
Yep u can say that again
Man how do you get involved with this crap, you went from a prehistoric exhaust fan to a Freddy Krueger electrical nightmare. Not sure what was longer Gone With The Wind or this video😁, anyway B+ for effort good job 👏 you should’ve taken the bottle of water
Lol 😆 dude just read that out freaking hilarious 😂
Dbl tap breaker not a big deal provided wire and breaker size are compatible a piece of wire and wirenut/wago problem solved
love your videos
Thanks man I appreciate it!!
Great solutions for what you have, love your videos
a not-cheap way would have been to put in a gfci breaker.
you could have put in extra breakers
I think youre kind of like me. You give too many damns about others not doing their job correctly.
I am the exact same way! I DESPISE electrical hacks and others who have no business working with electricity. It just makes my job that much more difficult.
The "fresh copper" that you're always striving for is not really necessary. Once you tighten down the screw clamp on the recept, or twist the wirenut, you've cut through that thin layer of oxidation. You wouldn't last a week on a real electrical crew.
Make a video.
Why not just put in a GFCI breaker, atleast you would have real protection at the sink.