Oil giant ExxonMobil predicted climate change in 1970s, scientists claim - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2023
- Researchers have claimed one of the world’s largest oil companies accurately forecast how burning fossil fuels would warm the planet decades ago.
Scientists claim ExxonMobil - which has made billions from selling fossil fuels - publicly denied the link.
The oil giant denied the allegations, telling the BBC: “Those who talk about how 'Exxon Knew' are wrong in their conclusions.”
The study, by Harvard University and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Change, analysed data in ExxonMobil’s internal documents and found predictions made in the 1970s were often more accurate than Nasa scientists.
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Why global corporations can get away with lying to the public? What makes us so weak to stay silent when these entities raise their voices?
We'll Pfizer did it.
Well, because we are part of the problem. Every report on climate crisis makes carbon and temperature comparison with the preindustrialised age (before 1850). But how many of us would choose to live in that age of sustenance farming, self contended villages, no modern technology or facilities and most importantly, no modern medicine. It's easy to make industry a fall guy, but we are buying those products and services. If we stop buying they will stop their carbon emitting industry. That's why we all run round in circles when talking about solutions to climate crisis.
Very true
Because we don't stop them. Voting doesn't work, other methods are required.
@@germanevision but we’re consuming fossil fuels because there’s been no alternatives. We drive not only because we’ve been persuaded to by billion dollars of advertising but also because there’s no alternative. Governments (no doubt backed by oil companies) decided to spend their money on more and more roads over public transport.
"Exxon's scientists were very good at predicting climate change," but the leaders didn't want to believe it, and especially didn't want their customers or the general public to believe it. So they established a huge marketing program to counteract their own scientists, and justify the company's continued mining and production of oil and gas.
HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE
Since US corporations have the status of individuals for political purposes, they should also have individual responsibility for their crimes.
Which means they will also get presidential pardons
So what about your responsibility?? Blaming the evil corps while sucking the hypocritical tit.🙄
Literally what? No they don't. Companies aren't individuals, we ruled against such bs. Don't spread misinfo, it doesn't help.
Yes. Everyone should read 'The Corporation'.
@@lexruptor Then why were they granted rights under the US constitution?
They knew. They hid it. They're still lying.
Who cares .
Still at it. The fact that big oil reps are heading cop23 is so totally ridiculous and depressing. Just shows that nothing will get done, as it hasn’t for 50yrs. How much power these companies/countries that rely on oil have, that they can be responsible for destroying civilisation for the sake of their money.
They make sure to misinformed too
@@moallysnackbar
Any one who isn't a stupid chimp like you.
We've known this about Exxon for years now. Why is this only now a big news story?
Good question!
I was already under the impression that they knew in the 70s and 80s.
I wonder at the cognitive dissonance of the people who make huge profits on fossil fuels, that they can do this while knowing they are putting humans and the biosphere at extinction risk. Just for their temporary wealth, which won't matter in the end.
Some of the 'experts' said New York would be under water by 2000........😂
@@barneymagee3285
Do you have a citation for that?
@@barneymagee3285 And it was during ahistoric storm surge. Still laughing when you're wrong? Why are you opposed to saving the planet?
@@JeffreyGoddin , maybe just misinformed rather than trying to disinform other people?
What led you to that impression? :)
There should be a legal avenue for holding Exxon Mobil partly responsible for damages caused by climate change. The other oil giants should also be investigated. Tobacco companies being held legally responsible for damages caused by their products sets the precedent.
Move to Siberia
So you want people who smoke to give up.
Pfft ok nazi boy
#ClimateCriminals are committing env and HR atrocities acts of ecocide
Since 2010 UK, Canadian, France, leadership has been called on to prosecute env atrocities acts of ecocide. They too should be investigated did they act with willful blindness to the warnings . Did the BBC warn you about ecocide?
France has added and Belgium has committed to adding ecocide to their penal code. France has begun Europes first ecocide investigation
Ref Stop Ecocide International
Make them eventually penniless for starters.
Why blame the producers only and not the consumers? We used 20% less gas this year but no one has frozen to death during this winter. This just shows how little can be done, but nobody bothers to do anything other than just putting the blame on others about climate change.
It’s not just Exxon Mobil, SHELL, British Petroleum, etc are all in the same “barrel” just like the cigarette industry.
If course they did ,and spent billions to hide it
This has been known for a long time. Supposedly that's why the rigs got taller and effort started to counter the political moves of the time to renewables. What they didn't know was that their excellent predictions of what was likely to happen were correct because it hadn't happened. Also most papers said warming factors would outweigh cooling from particulates, even back in the 70s, the chilling myth was part of their campaign.
The expectation was with global warming increasing at tenth of a degree celsius per decade that once it reached 1.3°C trending upward to happen about 1998 a tipping point would be reached in higher tempoearrtues of Gulf of Mexico waters causing stronger hurricanes. The preparation for that was taller ocean oil rigs. Then global warming stalled at 1.1°C in the early 1990s till the present.
@@name3251 since climate is a reference to the existence of global climate bands, due to things such a Hadley cells, you shouldn't call your self an idiot for recognising climate is global. And yes climate bands are shifting both in position and behaviour such as the greater wave height of the oscillations of the polar vortex.
@@name3251 yes people should listen to those who are experts on the subject who appreciate the subtle distinctions in the science, not just those who are merely knowledgeable and keep up with it. It would certainly be silly to take a fixed stance or simply emotionally react because a clever politician pushed your buttons. I hope you keep reading and developing your understanding so you can come up with some clear well reasoned points. I recommend learning how to evaluate information as a good first step. Learn what makes a good journal and a good research paper, why are some cited by many and others only by themselves. Sure word association and repeatedly stating keywords using bots and paid media trolls to push and provoke messages is a powerful tool, but people should also listen and think.
This is not a claim, it happened, the World mostly Ignored.
No, it's definitely a claim, and a false one. I mean, really, the OIL COMPANY knew Oil was bad, for years, but didn't do nothing and no one knew publicly? Nah. It's literal bs. They're just trying this now to look better and get an undeserved "I told you so", despite being the ones at fault.
@suvka Martin sucks for you
How do we need a study for this? It’s a well-known fact…
$$ and greed.
Many will die and many will suffer before this thing is sorted 😢 but not the big oil
Unless Exxon reps are going to jail or facing hefty fines this 7min debate is a waste of time.
Every year it's the same, we find out a company destroyed or polluted an area and govt sits idly.
No problem, pretty sure they made enough to stay quite far away from impacting areas and quite comfy
So why arnt they paying for it?
Because they're totally reformed! Honest!
And there should be consequences for that.
Best consequence is to change over to not burning fossil fuels.
We do that and they either change or die.
Our researchers have claimed? Uh it's a fact not a claim.
Trust the science, said sheeple. I mean even Mcafee who the nutters admire claim this was happening. Now why would authoeitarian regimes and UN back a hoax where you hand them your money and control.
@user-fk2yk8gg8j That's because you have your fingers in your ears, closed your eyes and keep yelling nyah nyah nyah nyah can't hear you...
It was the 50s.
Energy should be nationalized in every country, not privatized, just as healthcare and public school education should be. The people should benefit from and not pay so much for these services.
This surprised precisely nobody with even a tiny grasp on reality.
scientist have known since the 50's. scientist publicly talking about on tv in the 50's
#ClimateCriminals are committing env and HR atrocities acts of ecocide Since 2010 UK, Canadian, France, Eu, Germany, +++ leadership has been called on to prosecute env atrocities acts of ecocide. They too should be investigated did they act with willful blindness to the warnings . When did the BBC warn you about ecocide? France has added and Belgium has committed to adding ecocide to their penal code. France has begun Europes first ecocide investigation Ref Stop Ecocide International
Well of course they did. I’ve known this for years. Copies of the original documents are out there.
And yet they did nothing about it? They just let it happen so they can make a profit? That's the most American response to "we're all going to die" I've ever seen.
Kakistocracy... Its why bad ideas have triumphed over good ones for the last 50+ years
There’s no way all the oil, gas and coal companies of the world didn’t know they were causing this.
I just can't imagine how the scientists that worked for Exxon justified it to themselves....
They possibly didn't know at the time that their work would be ignored and concealed
Money
They looked at all of the zeroes they had in their checks.
New study????? Saw this story sometime ago. Even the former employees were interviewed and even some documents
and by the 80's they had the data to back it up.
Big oil have known since way before the 1970s.
Isnt this old news? Everyone knows that oil companies have been aware of this for 50 years
Everyone but climate change deniers apparently, and I don’t think they’re watching now either.
The news is how accurate they were
in 1956 the API , American Petroleum Institute instructed companies like exxonmobile to do it.
it's not just exxonmobile texaco or BP friends, every member of that society Knew or strongly suspected it in the 1950's
and what are those models saying now ? and what is being covered up now ?
Old news. Just unregarded for ages. The oil company lobbyists are to blame for the downfall of human race.
Nah, Republican’s are the cause. They actively tell their base that it is ‘Fake News’ and they are brain dead.
#ClimateCriminals are committing env and HR atrocities acts of ecocide Since 2010 UK, Canadian, France, Eu, Germany, +++ leadership has been called on to prosecute env atrocities acts of ecocide. They too should be investigated did they act with willful blindness to the warnings . When did the BBC warn you about ecocide? France has added and Belgium has committed to adding ecocide to their penal code. France has begun Europes first ecocide investigation Ref Stop Ecocide International
Just like cigarette companies back then too.
I would love to visit the world where these people are actually held accountable, because it'll never happen here
What difference does it make if they knew or didn't know? The consequence is the same, the optimal government policy to tackle climate change is the same. Government policy-wise nothing changes based on whether Exxon knew or didn't know in the 70s.
Did those scientists also predict the industrialisation of China, India etc?
"..they deny and refute any notion that they knew back in the 1970s..."
The BBC needs to familiarise itself with the English language. ExxonMobil's evidence-free statement is a denial. But it is NOT a refutation. The difference is important.
Given Its prediction of nowadays made in 70s has been proven right, the future decades in their model seem to be more devastating.
So take absolutely all the wealth of those who knew their corporation was destroying our planet.
so, we should listen to exxonmobil´s scientists, instead of outside of exxon, since they seem to know better?
I thank the all oil and tobacco companies. Thank you so much :D
Oh Exxon mobil has spoken and is full of dry rubbish
ExxonMobil did not exist in the 1970's. They need to be more precise.
What do you mean this is nothing but speculation? The truth is right in front of you. All you gotta do is look?
I’m sorry but as much as we should blame Exxon ( which we should for misleading the public) the chances this would of made any difference to the way the world is now is minimal. The problem is that people are always sceptical of people in government wanting to change the way they do things that they don’t fully understand until it’s happening in the present. Or maybe they don’t need to think about it because they will be dead before facing the consequences of their actions. It’s sad that generations between 0-55 are the one that have to deal with the problems caused by those that have come before us. This doesn’t me just reducing carbon but political, global, societal and institutional reforms. Which is super challenging and requires a lot of new change that is going to take a while for people to learn and fully understand.
I remember the BBC saying the new Ice age was coming in the 70's.
I too recall a minority of scientists claiming the long-term natural changes pointed towards cooling, plus the possibility of shorter-term cooling from particulates we put into the air. But I also recall that the majority of peer-reviewed papers noted that CO2 was overtaking any cooling.
Now remember that in the 80s it was much more clear we were warming and would continue to warm. Then the 90s made it super clear. In the 00s we dropped the "but but but... some paper in the 70s predicted cooling" voices... kidding. Those guys are still around.
@@scottekoontz Global warming pause in 1998-2013 will come back once ozone depletion from recent volcanoes in the last 10 years diminishes.
@@albin4323 Cherry picks are neat. You chose of a very few short stretches where the trend is up, but not by much.
Another "pause" coming? WOW! I bet you know all about the $10,000 lots bets in the late 2000s from the denier scientist who claimed the lower TSI and volcanic activity would cool the planet. They never paid the bet, but that's what you get from deniers.
I don't think it's fair to blame 1 oil company that was actually worried about climate change in the 1970's.
You only need to see how much plastic is in your bin to know we live in a world that just doesn't really care about the environment. Just sell the problem to poorer countries and then blame them for the problems.
How can they deny it when even the public have known for decades for certainty? And yet, they have significantly worsened the problem, and made solutions nearly impossible.
End Fossil fuels
Quickly.....
How strange, to have the most able climate scientists with the most accurate predictions working in an industry that would actively suppress their findings :0 ahead of so many in the field, but just happening to be in the wrong place to bring their findings to light. Hopefully we can find solutions to the problem of climate change and work together to implement them.
" most able climate scientists"...... Cmon man......😆
Remember there is no right & wrong for science, that comes from religion......
We’ve had 50 years to find solutions, I don’t hold out much hope. Until nature and the planet have rights akin to human rights nothing will get done.
We have solutions.
The oil industry continues to stand in their way.
However we have power.
If we don't buy their junk, they have no power.
So If you really want things to change, change what YOU buy.
@@jimthain8777 Your right. Everyone is an activist right up until they have to catch the bus
anybody who knew anything already was aware of this prediction
Spoiler Alert
Scientists and Engineers in the power production sector are some of the best on earth. This has been true for a while.
The term Carbon Footprint and Net Zero was originally invented by BP. Everyone should support BP instead of Exxon Mobil.
Remember when they did the same exact shit with lead? Same shit.
#ClimateCriminals are committing env and HR atrocities acts of ecocide Since 2010 UK, Canadian, France, Eu, Germany, +++ leadership has been called on to prosecute env atrocities acts of ecocide. They too should be investigated did they act with willful blindness to the warnings . When did the BBC warn you about ecocide? France has added and Belgium has committed to adding ecocide to their penal code. France has begun Europes first ecocide investigation Ref Stop Ecocide International
And the tobacco cancer link
End Fossil fuels
Quickly..
Ok and what's their punishment
If there was any justice in the world, the entire board would be in prison. But we all know it's a shameless money grab.
And still no one but the public care.. Anyome maken millions couldnt give 2 f#@ks
CO2 is good. Only ass clowns disagree.
Well, according to the models Europe particularly will become way colder.
So, practically the question is: Would say YES to a new ice age, if it is not done or accelerated by human activities, and would you say YES to poisoning your lungs (gas or coal for domestic use, including cars) if fossil fuels are not an acceleration factor for a new ice age?
Only the first sentence of your comment makes and sense, and that is entirely incorrect. Many European countries experienced their hottest year on record last year, something which had been observed repeatedly over the past decade, in line with predictions made by all major climate models. The NASA website is a good source of information on this.
@@phils6582 NOAA is even better source for meteorological models. DUE TO THE FACT NASA DO NOT MAKE METEOROLOGICAL MODELS!
As you know there are two types of analysis - real and forecasting; NASA -provides satellite data, which is a RECORD of the observed event in real time! Unless you do not claim that NASA never heard of satellites, or they do not record data, or the data is not based observations over real events!
Thank you for telling me how to do my job! I'll have it in mind!
End Fossil fuels
Quickly
Do the BBC really think we are this stupid? If this has only just been given the go ahead for public broadcast, im afraid the BBC are implicitly and vicariously accountable.
Here we see that corporations prioritize short term profit and greed over even the future survival of mankind. Should they be allowed to exist?
"Predicted"?
NU UH! I PREDICTED IT BEFORE THAT!
So during the 70's when all the scientists were warning us about global cooling, Exxon scientists somehow knew more?
The UN told us in 1972 that we only have 10 years to stave off climate disaster.
So doing the 1970s when the majority of scientists were warning about global warming (a true statement) those in grade school read one article that said particulates and a "cooling" sun would cause a terrible drop in temps. The rest of us were reading about how CO2 was overtaking particulate cooling.
The scientists have been telling us since the 1970s that we have x years to avoid a tipping point. Now if we can get science aliterates to understand tipping points we could maybe talk to them.
Y don’t thy tell putin to cut oil into Europe pipeline
End Fossil fuels
Next thing Cadbury is going to announce its chocolate makes people fat
It has made me fat😊
Good one 😂
Reality
Really? This is news? Or is it just a reminder..
Words missing from this report: accountability, responsibility, culpability, legal action, partnership, cleanup, reparation, liars & douchebags.
What about Edward L Keith's book? It regarding "climate change" as a total myth?
He's a retired, American, rocketscientist. So that makes him qualified, right?
PS. Facts can be fudged by a lot. Especially if you're senile enough to pick your data, from the 1960's, or whenever...
money
So what? No one will be charged, Exxon will live on at worst with a useless fine
What you heard is inaccurate.
Yep, there's no such things as exhaust fumes. . . it's cotton candy that comes out the end of a car.
WE need to the planet by ANY means necessary!
So what now? Are we supposed to start crying and halt all Oil productions? Idk why this is popping up now! No one cares
Besides if the planet gets too hot or cold mankind will find a way of living in it
Welp time to dissolve exxon
I watched the climate changing in the 70s i didn't need anyone to tell me what was happening
So is the Earth too hot or too cold? I'm a bit confused.
Climate Change
Well, I'll not be here in 2050 and thank God my children have no children and are approaching their 50's.
A dark future was chosen for us by people who will not be alive to witness it. Was it worth it?
Watch climate towns take on it on youtube, great vid
How curious. The BBC produced a documentary called Big Oil (I think) last year on this very subject
Couldn't have. The whole video is filled with bs and misinfo. Exxon wouldn't have access to better science than Nasa, they certainly wouldn't have known how bad oil would be, and if these thongs were true, where's the dead scientists, killed to keep things hush? Why wouldn't Exxon then have been leading the charge towards renewables? Obviously because it's a lie to cover their asses.
#ClimateCriminals are committing env and HR atrocities acts of ecocide Since 2010 UK, Canadian, France, Eu, Germany, +++ leadership has been called on to prosecute env atrocities acts of ecocide. They too should be investigated did they act with willful blindness to the warnings . When did the BBC warn you about ecocide? France has added and Belgium has committed to adding ecocide to their penal code. France has begun Europes first ecocide investigation Ref Stop Ecocide International
And predictions were made the world was going to end in 2012 but it's 2023 and here we are! Trying to predict the future is like trying to understand a woman's mood.
What reputable scientific institution claimed that the world would end in 2012?
Yep, we’ve had one degree C warming already, and nobody’s noticed.
Hands up who wants it two degrees colder … What, nobody ?!?
Most people.
Even that one degree is falsified. Just go and take a temperature reading of the tarmac at a busy airport in the few true summer days, ZOMG! HOTTEST DAY EVA!
How about, all of Europe.
Imbecile.
Meanwhile Belgian here who hasn't had a white Christmas anymore since my childhood. +All of the other effects that this has on our environment like mass extinction of animals
@@tomassunaert1300 Yeah, I'm just going to guess that has more to do with concreting over everything and inviting every tom dick and harry from the world to move in.
It is like a butcher saying life is important.
Sanction on Taliban and Haqqani Network please world kindly.
DONT CARE
I predict I will post this comment. Same logic.
Yup, they have been saying that for past 50 years and we were supposed to be extinct 20 years ago.
Yeah, which study is that? Enlighten us.
@@todtnau Earth summit 1992... Major cities will be under water by the early 2000's... Care to enlighten us as to which cities were under water in the early 2000's?
@@shaun8141 New York? I mean, you're a liar, but actually many cities have been inundated against all historical probability by storms exacerbated by more extreme forces generated by warmer oceans. New Orleans?
Remember the acid rain coming and no ozone and other fake established backed CONSPIRACY THERIOES.
@@shaun8141 No scientific paper ever said that. You are quoting one person from the UN. And it wasn't 1992, it was 1989.
Try to follow the science.
🇺🇸🗿⛽️ the more the better
Can you say "windfall tax"? 🤔 They didn't make the Dino juice their profits come from.🤑
Cuckoo
Can you say "ban petrol"?
Its an open secret
Global warming🤣😂🤣
I'm not at all surprised! 🙄
We saw them