Yes and no. You can get the printers cheap, but if you want the precision you need for something like this, you're going to want to spend more on the printer.
If you get an ender 3, which is only 170ish euros, you have more than enough room for upgrading it to a point where it could consistently make stuff like this. If you get shipped a good one you might even be able to do it with a completely stock ender 3.
Yeah, no. An ender 3 with a 0.25mm nozzle would be plenty accurate for this sort of thing. Not to mention that only the feedlip has to be thin, the rest of the stripper clip that sits outside the gun could be beefed up
@@gnaskar Youre (kinda) wrong on this. Yes, you'd have to spend quite a sum to get a printer capable of this precision out-of-the-box, but my $260-ish printer could probably do it given enough time and effort to set it up properly. And the cost of producing more clips just goes down and down with each piece printed. Make 15 clips and you're in the range of some *really* nice priners.
@@WoobsBallJesse YT be like: Guys are filming a man who commited suicide? No problem. How you can manufacture a clip for a pistol thats 100+ years old? No thats too much.
I would be very happy to see the whole premise of using algorithms to ban/remove any sort of content online, itself be banned. If RUclips wants content off its platform, it should be forced to do it manually.
The demand is probably pretty limited. They're 400 now, but once you bring a few to market the price will rapidly drop once everyone who wants them has a handful and then you're stuck with all the equipment you put together for making them.
If somebody sent me the specs, I would make them in steel. Master metalsmith , making a short run would not be all that bad / piece. Still would need to make 50 of them to spread the cost of tooling. Daniel Tokar. willowforge.com/
@@jacksonsmith5490 That's a very fair point, which unfortunately doesn't bode well for people wishing to fabricate and sell metal versions even at cost.
-3d printing fleshlights RUclips: I sleep -3d printing loading device for an historic firearm that is unlikely to ever be used for shooting a living being ever again RUclips: Real shit
The point is some highly respectable lads came up with a subject of FGC9 (search it up ur self with VPN and Cognito,u’ve been warned if u don’t know wat it is),and expect democrats to be very angry plus serveral news channel promoting it with serveral fancy words “ untraceable” “undetectable”,which make those great corporates like the plate form we are now on to self demonetise.
@The GunMaster leftist here who’s interested in firearms, that is phenomenally incorrect. Most of us would like it if people would simply stop shooting each other. Please don’t assume.
I can think of a couple of improvements. The thing about 3D printing is, you’re not limited by the constraints of stamped sheet metal. It shouldn’t be all that difficult to make a version that doesn’t lean when the bolt drops, provided you have access to the original pistol or at least accurate measurements for CAD.
big issue it had was warping as well. thin flat plastic surface will have a tendency to do so, even after the fact. and that will also cause binding in the clip itself. Just adding a metal strip along the back would solve all issues (if warping wasnt an issue a small piece at the bottom to push back against the mechanism would suffice)
Email the link on his website and I'll send the dimensioned drawing I made for the originals for when I try to make a metal one with 3D printed dies. I pulled them from scaled pictures, so it's not a perfect representation, but it's better than nothing.
Modifying the design a little bit to include a pocket to slide in a thin piece of metal on the lower rear section (to keep the bolt held back properly) might just do the trick, and perhaps slightly bending the feed lips to make it harder for rounds to tumble out, or perhaps simply a throw away "cap" sort of arrangement, pop the cap off, drop the clip in, done,
I had almost the exact same idea, but I would make the sheet metal strip the whole length of the clip, that way the rounds slide better and can´t dig their rim into the plastic when they aren´t pushed exactly straight.
Yep! That's what I was thinking also. Start off with 24 gauge tin n then if that works out sweet if not bump it down to 26 gauge which is a lil thin but I'm not sure if much wiggle room too start with.
two little nubs on the front end of the lower clip section would probably suffice, enough to be in the way of the rounds falling out, but the plastic being springy enough to allow them to move out of the way.
I was also thinking about a part added to shore up the clip while loading, kind of like a door-to-wall barricade so you can load bullets faster and easier without worrying about the clip being pushed out of place by the bolt or whatever the fuck it is
A word of warning from someone who participates in a hobby involving 3d printed parts outside: Be careful with those clips in the hot Arizona sun. I dont know what material Thomas used but a lot of plastics used in 3d printing have a relatively low melting point and they can deform easily in the summer heat. Of course with a clip like this theyre cheap to make more of if you have a printer but it means youre out of a clip until you have time to actually do that, and if you dont have a printer of course you have to get someone else to make it. Really glad to see people making awesome stuff like this though, seriously awesome.
While in itself a good warning, those look like resin prints to me. Resin printers don't work by melting the polymers, but rather by curing a UV-sensitive polymer fluid. Those still can warp under heat, but they are not nearly as prone to melting as, say, PLA, which is probably the most widely used material for the melting kind of printers. Still, as I said, definitely something to keep an eye on.
A lot of people who actually own this gun and cant find the metal stripper clips will get really happy,even if they got one,now they can keep a lot of platic stripper clips loaded to have some fun,thanks to Ian.
If you have an 'additively manufactured' part, you can encase that in plaster and try casting it out of brass, or aluminum. FarmCraft101 made a video about this, and the dimensions could be surprisingly accurate.
Those flex a lot, if you're going through all that trouble make a stamp from the plastic (they do this for aircraft parts) and make it from sheet metal like original. Steel has completely different properties from both of those, and casting isn't going to be smooth like you want without tremendous work and at that point you could probably just bend one by hand.
Casting something that thin can be problematic. Plus as already mentioned, stamped sheet steel, will be stronger than a cast part of the "same" metal. The process will effect material strength. The micro-structure (material science) will be completely different. Forging (beating with a hammer) alters the material, itself. Its just not shaping it. The sheet steel, was forged and drawn ("Drawing" is a metal process - Google it) from a cast fat billet, down to a thin sheet. This strengthens the material. Metal processing is long and evolved subject.
@@michaelmoorrees3585 The 3d printed part itself is already strong enough, so basically any metal will do. No need for work hardening or other treatments, at least for private use. This does not need to complete government trials, just last for about as many rounds as one would like to put through such an old firearm. Weather it can be cast that thin, I don't know, but the follower would certainly work, plus brass has pretty nice friction properties.
Speaking from experience, it is *extremely* difficult to get this level of detail using "lost PLA" casting. It can be done, but you need specialty materials, tools, and expertise, or a whole lot of luck and patience.
@@jakegarrett8109 it is difficult to imagine could be the shape of the stamps, perhaps it wasn't stamps at all, perhaps it was something more continuous like shaping a metal ribbon with rollers or pulling it through a shape.
Is this like in Labyrinth where you've gotta say the very specific words before the goblins steal your baby? Oh, also, I think a better use of the additive manufacturing would be making press dies to re-create the clips out of sheet metal. Check out Stuff Made Here to see how he did it.
When Ian discovers fosscad there will be an influx of obscure French pistol caliber bullpups and century old bolt actions greebeled up. Also, Ian, put some sort of dry lube in those clips.
Plastic used in the printers come out extremely smooth with vary little friction. I suspect it was the bolt not being held back all the way by the clip casing the issues.
@@cartersteinweg1531 It did look like the bottom of the clip was being pushed forward. A smooth bottom could cause this. So the solution would be some way to make the bottom rougher and having more friction to resist being slid forward. But I would think a stiffer spine so that the clip would not warp would also help.
Additive printing is just entering its sophomore stage; what was once inconceivable is now barely possible, and huge steps forward are already visible in the near distance. For under US$5000, you can get into carbon fiber-reenforced nylon structural printing. Sintered metal and weldment buildup printing are dropping in price too. Like other recent technology leaps, additive printing has huge implications on how life will look in the future.
@@andersonrobotics5608 I anticipate that it'll become routine to scan and print replacement parts for, and even build from scratch, household appliances and automotive parts. Hell, I just replaced a fairing on my car that could easily enough have been printed overnight - if I had a printer capable of the size - instead of waiting three days for it to ship in. And *that* is a major change from when I would have been going to a scrap yard to search for the part, or wait a couple weeks for it to arrive at an auto parts shop. The world is getting faster and faster, and additive manufacturing will only press the accelerator harder.
@@lairdcummings9092 it has and probably will change the dynamics of manufacturing, supply chains and logistics. When it is possible to buy only raw material for many common household products and possibly recycle them on site. In a WIRED magazine article they called the invention of the inkjet printer( fore runner of 3D printing) one of the greatest inventions of the 20th century. We are on the leading edge of a technolgical revolution. It is having starts, stops and growing pains but is quickly getting out of it's infancy. To me the process is very interesting and I am looking forward to it becoming more mainstream for home use and less hobbyist oriented.
This is exactly what RUclips should be for; the sharing of information that makes hobbies more enjoyable! I mean, there are videos of this exact same process making parts for old steam engines. Keeping history alive for future generations to reference is never a bad thing. Thank you, Ian, for posting this. 👍 So please, RUclips, do NOT hassle Ian for this.
@@derekbowbrick6233 weird reversal of reality, where the old strippers have the 1970s "hard as a basketball" plastics and the new ones go with saltwater and similar "almost natural" stuff :P
fun thing is, looking at that clip it's not that complicated structurally, a piece of sheet metal that has some fine bends in it, bends that would be hard to do without tooling mind you. But the beauty with additive manufacturing is that you can both make a casting mold for such things and even make a bending buck, meaning technically all youll need is a 3d printer, some sheet metal, cutting tools (shears will do) and a vice or a press and you can produce these yourself out of metal.
Ian, I think the time is coming where politics and historical artifacts cannot be separated. I hope that this channel serves as a wonderful platform to inspire others to see the ingenious problem solving of a past era should not be forgotten, because it will educated and drive others to pursue careers in problem solving of the future. The purpose and function of 'things' might change, but we should remember that people we just figuring out the best way to fix a problem. If we forget our past, we are doomed to fail at the challenges of our future. **ender pro 3 would be half the cost of one stripper clip Ian, you might think about it... lol**
It will also help fill the gap made by STEM programs and workplaces where politics demands that 2+2=5. We may have a Fahrenheit 451 ending where people huddle in private to make things that work once everything starts breaking.
I know where a Roth Steyr is at for sale looked at it several time but never pulled the trigger on purchase (pun intended) because of clip issues. Thanks for the information on these.
Additive manufacturing is being used to make replacement parts for all sorts of historic, archaic or obscure devices. Particularly, as in this case, if the parts themselves haven't been made for decades, are very rare and have prices to match. You might for instance consider looking for additive manufactured replacements for more obscure magazines.
Replicated the old swiss metal/cardboard loading clips with my printer, works like a charm. Haven't used them with live ammo yet, but with dummy rounds.
These mysterious devices of which you speak are getting more advanced by the day. It's going to be very interesting once consumer grade devices hit more people's homes than just the enthusiasts; All sorts of industries are going to have to reckon with it. Some of them are incredibly easy to set up and get using too!
@@MAJMAJESTIC there's already been some action on that front on the Warhammer minis side of printing. Lots of 3rd party designers getting hit with C&D's by the big company. Still, I've already got the files and the printer. It'll at least add a dimension to be accounted for; I'm curious to see if we see name brand companies putting out official STL files to try and undercut the guys who would just make it anyway.
It takes a bit of tweaking but I've made some swiss Schmidt rubin stripper clips for my k11 and k31 that work amazingly. The key is printing the clips at an angle so the layers aren't parallel with stress points, that way they don't break as easily. I also do a little 600 grit sanding to smooth out any contact surfaces.
Also the good thing about these is that they can be practically completely disposable. With the amount of material just 20 dollars can get you, you can probably print something like 500 of them.
This neatly closes a circuit, since the reason such things are so rare nowadays is that they were intended to be viewed as disposable by their original users, and so the vast majority of them were handled carelessly and either lost, broken, or outright discarded.
Suggestion to the maker... I printed a run of parts once and was able to reinforce them with a steal band that was inserted after printing. You may want to look at adding a channel to the "back" of the clip to add a strip of sheet metal. This may help prevent the bolt from deforming the clip. In fact, if you can replace the entire floor of the channel with a metal strip that floats in slots in the walls, it may allow for some flexibility and allow you to have functioning lips at the bottom/end. Awesome project. Well done
3d printing is great. I just finished designing printable +2 magazine extensions for HK P30/SFP9/VP9. They are great, printed with PLA+ they can withstand quite forceful throw on concrete (as opposed to initial prototypes that broke from a normal magazine drop). Today i tested them on the range, 100% reliability. Still needs some minor tweaks, but it could be considered finished. As for 3d printed clips, there is always some variation from one piece to the next. You could try smoothing inside surface with fine sandpaper (400 grit for example) or steel wool. Slowly and preferably wet, as the plastics commonly used in home 3d printers get soft at pretty low temperatures, so you have to prevent it from warming up too much. If they are printed from ABS, you could try acetone vapor smoothing. If it's PLA, vapor smoothing is quite difficult - substances you need (eg. chloroform) are more dangerous, don't evaporate as easily and are harder to get, so sanding is your best pal here.
I have a feeling that it might also be the technique used when feeding the clip in that made the difference. I'd say try using the other stripper clips with that third technique you used and that could improve loading with the other two. I dunno, not a gun guy, just stating an idea. Have a good one, Ian.
That is really cool and a kudos to the person who came up with them. It may not be perfect but it works. Betcha this gets around and people will start shooting these pistols more.
@@TheDocPlatypus yes, but it isnt like they weird, obscure prototypes from a dusty tool room. Or even a foreign weapon basically unavailable in the US. We know why they bullpup, we know why they 50, and we know who the military doesnt use it like they use the M82.
The nice thing about additive manufacturing, if you have the CAD files, is that experimenting with subtle changes to fix the problems, as many people have already suggested, is simple and cheap. If something bends, make it thicker or add a rib. Shaoes that would be next to impossible in sheet metal may be easy in PLA. There's also the possibility of making a core for a "lost-PLA" casting in metal, though that is vulnerable to dimensional changes if you need very close tolerances.
Hopefully that will bring down the price of the OG cliperinos. Maybe a simple, easy to source, small metal plate on the contact surface would fix many of the issues. You can design in the space for it to friction fit if clever.
And if not you can just glue the thing in. None of this needs to be more durable than what you can afford to lose when you have 20 of them and not enough ammo to shoot it more than occasionally.
Totally agree with you Ian! There is a seller over on Ebay that has picked up the mantle of an older guy that used to hand make a device (out of wood using subtractive mfg) for opening shotshells in order to make wax slugs. Unfortunately, the older guy is no longer around to make them, but, this seller on Ebay makes the exact item using additive manufacturing and sells them for about $25. Reasonable price and it works, definitely a good product.
@@MAJMAJESTIC The fact is, one cannot change the heart or mind of another person. They must first be open to change, even at risk of their perception of the world being uncovered as false
The implications of this additional manufacturing are amazing though. How long until certain very hard to come by (at a reasonable price) replacement parts for all of our favourite subjects will be available for the wider community? Makes me quite hopeful.
Depends on the load on the part I can theoretically print a tokarev mag, for example, but the dimensions dont allow me to make it stiff enough to keep the rounds from shooting out
Right now you can get a 3D printer capable of using PLA, ABS or even PETG for less than 200$. It may require some upgrades and work on the long time, but it's real right now
Yes, the 3D additive plastic strippers are thicker than the spring steel originals, but the thickness is essential for strength. I had a Roth Steyr, and made ammo using cut down .30Carbine cases, and the clip part of .30 carbine loading clips, filling only 8 rounds...worked a charm. Gun is now in the hands of Serious Colt Revolver and Pre-1920 Auto Pistols collector ! DocAV
I bought my first 3D printer in 2015 and I must say this was the best buy in my entire life :) I went deep into 3d printing and recently also added CNC machining to my hobbies, because it's closely related. Life is so much easier if you have 3d printer and know how to use it.
Has anybody even forgotten that sillyness yet? As if you couldn't get enough deaththrowers otherwise, yeah let's "print them"... and then you wonder why RUclips bans talk about 3D Printing weapons...
Good to see this manufacturing method beeing usefull in this market. If I may (and you want to make a couple dozen of these for yourself and other owners of this pistol), I would like to suggest to print a couple (5-10) of these stripper clips on a resin 3D printer. These prints are way more detailled and smooth. These are not very strong by themself and can break easily but they make excellent mold templates for a silicon mold. With this mold you can make 5-10 Polyurethane stripper clips an hour. The reason why I suggest using this method, and why I think you get mixed results with the parts you made is because the surface of a FDM print is quite rough and sliding parts can bind easily when you are not very carefull.
I have had unobtainable replacement parts for a Combat Graflex military camera KE-4, additively manufactured in titanium. It was not cheap but most of the cost was in having the drawings done and a print file written. Subsequent copies would be much cheaper. My choice of material for the Steyr clips would be the very tough maraging steel, which is available as an additive manufacturing powder for 3D laser metal printers, such as the Renishaw.
Economics of scale... to really justify making the whole set of tools and get them reasonably tight in tolerances that they can work in the field, you'd have to have a market of a couple of thousand clips in guaranteed sales. You might find a couple of hundred that you can actually sell in a reasonable time span so pre-financing the endeavour won't grind your profit margin into so much wishes and unicorns... which means you'd have to cut corners and go down with your expectations and might produce a lot of unworkable clips between the good ones... that doesn't make for a good business model.
Good on Ian and his family/staff/fellow enthusiasts for making stuff like this possible, keeping this stuff alive is something we all will wish we would have done 20 years and well beyond from now. We appreciate you Ian!
Seeing that [REDACTED] at the beginning got me thinking: Is RUclips-kun that much of a virgin that it can't tolerate the text "stripper" in the video, or something? xD
Talking about "additive manufacturing" firearm parts is basically a guaranteed community strike and possible channel deletion. Its not surprising considering where Google headquarters is located and the opinions of upper executives.
@@zerostarx1 RUclips has already gotten in trouble with its sponsors for monetizing videos from terrorists due to the automatic nature of the whole process, it only makes financial sense to not risk that catastrophe happening again, regardless of where their headquarters are
Additive printing is *incredibly* disruptive, pollitically, socially, and economically. Oh, it's not a revolution - *yet* - but it *will* be. It's going to change the way the world works, and a LOT of the existing economic power players are extremely worried about it.
Depending on the material used, you can use acetone or similar solvent vapors to smooth out the material and get less friction without having to change the design at all. What I'd do is add more material to the front end so it doesn't tilt under pressure, and slightly undersize the portion holding the walls of the cartridge to create a spring fit that prevents fall out.
Haha, you are in Arizona? Watch out in a hot car with those, they will get bendy and soft. Probably will even happen just sitting out in the sun there.
A few ‘modifications’ to make to a wee bit better design. 1) Print it with a slot running almost the full length of the clip, roughly along the line of the primers, and put a small screw through into the follower, keeping it from following through on the loading. 2) print the two feed lips to have a slight bump on the inside to prevent the cartridges falling out. 3) extend the feed lips to the full length of the breech opening, to prevent the bolt from being able to close, keeping the feed angle correct. Worth experimenting with, at negligible cost per unit.
Pretty much my thoughts. Possibly pause the printing part way to insert a metal plate after you've formed a socket for it rather than needing precise positioning at the start? More actions required on your part per clip but as I don't see them being a true mass produced item it could save faff on setup and reduce failure numbers.
Yeah, a lot of printed designs for, uh, "Handheld lead projectors" uses off the shelf metal pieces to reinforce areas that deal with list of stress. For example, many designs have metal reinforcing the area where the stock connects to the receiver.
If you want to see the feasibility of 3d printing and firearms check up booligan on here he does quite a bit recently and talks about design in respect to mostly pistols as for reinforcement specifically creating channels in your design and printing round things is doable probably easier to bore it out and add later
Making the pusher with a flat surface, or even concave to position the thumb close to the back of the clip would help it push the cartridges straight down into the magazine. The pusher in this design is slanted which tries to let the thumb (or your pushing finger of choice) slide forward and naturally puts a tilting force on the clip. Make it easier to push straight down and it would naturally work better.
Makes me wonder if this could be a good avenue to pursue producing stripper clips for other firearms as well. While I understand that for the likes of a Mauser k98 or a mosin nagant the quips are still widely available but between wear, age and variances in production it really feels like a mixed bag whether or not you're going to get a good one to use. This is especially true with k98 stripper clips when they might be in to lose tension in being able to keep the bullets where they need to be rather than having them fall out.
It's a long story. The super short version goes like this: Someone who believes that there should be no gun laws at all (as in, how milk is sold, commercially stored, distributed, processed, etc, should have way stricter laws than guns) finds out that you can buy every part of some random shotgun except the polymer receiver (the controlled item).... but that that receiver can be 3d printed. Thus anyone "can legally obtain a firearm" by some seriously liberal interpretation of law text. Said loonie goes on and makes a big splash about it (via youtube and other media) to the point that (uninformed) legislators are seriously contemplating making 3d printers a controlled item that can only print digitally signed objects. Manufacturers of often-copied items are thrilled. The maker community is about to print out cute little miniature pitch forks and post offensive words in the internet. Some of them might even have cried a little and/or gotten a head ache. Several youtube employees are active in the maker space and own 3d printers themselves. Strings are pulled to shut down said loonie. RUclipss EULA is updated by lawyers who couldn't tell a Lee Enfield from a Green Meanie if their life depended on it... The whole thing is worded exactly as stupid as you would imagine. Actually it's probably a little more stupid than that unless you have an exceptionally good imagination. So basically: "What do you get when extremists, grass root movements, big corporations, politicians and lawyers end up in the same big pile of rush?".... A clusterfuck. As usual.
Additive printing in structural materials is only beginning to show what it can do. Structural plastics printing is actually beginning to reach prices where the layman can afford to get into it.
@@lairdcummings9092 3D printed houses for around $10K each is one of the most impressive bits I've seen. That includes a reinforced cavity wall that can be filled with expanding foam for additional insulation, both thermal and acoustic, and would only require some slight design tweaks to allow a smaller number of fill points.
@@lairdcummings9092 ; Jep, one of the best examples is GE 3D Printing entire jet-turbine parts and sections, while increasing strength, reducing weight and increasing efficiency.
@@MrGrimsmith put that printer & support equipment on a truck, and you've got a radical change to life in a destitute community. Flooding or wildfire or insane weather wipe out homes? Instant shelter, printing out now! Poor region without basic living shelter? Mobile printer to the rescue! Just this *one* example has huge implications.
@@FirstDagger complex shapes that are extremely difficult to create in other ways are now reasonable to make. Not in huge quantity, *yet,* but that's just an issue of maturing the tech. Oh, and biomedical devices? Sky is the limit. Why amputate or shorten a limb due to bone-crushing injury, when you can print a replacement bone scaffold which the body will over-lay with new bone? Metallic pins and plates? How about printed, absorbable re-enforcements, instead? No need for secondary surgery to remove the bits, once they've done their job!
So what you're telling me is if I could manufacturer high quality metal reproductions I could sell them for 50 dollars a piece? 100 a piece? (Edit) Holy crap originals are 400 dollars? Guess I could sell repros for 200! LoL
when you remember there's also metal and ceramic printing materials and machines it opens up a lot more possibility's for arms collectors to make not just striper clips but also full clips and full on parts . while the metal printing part of this is still overly expensive it will in time come down to a more affordable range . but there are places were you can go and have a metal part made to order and have it come out ready to use with little to no finish work
C'mon people: Ian's beard is SPANISH to the max. He's a Noble Conquistador, the modern Cristobal Columbus -> there's not a trace of resemblance to Jesus of Nazareth on Ian's earthly outside. However, Ian's impeccable character and Ian's life on the path of truth is very much resembling Lord Jesus. So, Ian's soul (or his inside - if you are an agnostic) shows qualities which are truly God given, (outstanding for non-believers), and then they have been developed by Ian McCollum himself. Thus, thru all his work, he came to be an icon of truthfulness.
that's kind of the nature with FDM printers, specially if the print orientation has the layer grain that grinds against each other. the thumb pusher part thing could be filleted on the edges that hit the rail, the print orientation maybe turned 90 degree on either the pusher or the clip rail, etc.
Drill a small hole in the channel for a dome head rivet. The case head and rim of the cartridge will have to slide over the dome of the rivet as you press down and it will also keep the thumb tab from falling out.
Take a piece of white PVC and section it so it will snap around the bolt. This may be made to hold the bolt open. Then load with the stripper, and when the rounds are in the mag you can pop the PVC off and let the bolt close. No more pinched skin or GJ ow.
There are companies that can "additive manufacture" in metals. After modifying model of the main body to have springy feed lips and printing in metal you would have a more reliable and less flexible clip. The pusher could be left in plastic or if you want to go fancy, milled out of UHMW plastic for smoother action.
You can make things out of plastic and they might function and will probably be strong enough, what you can't do is increase the Youngs modulus of the plastic to match metal. Plastic parts will always be more flexible. The correct approach is to use additive manufacture to create new press tools, possibly using investment casting, from additively made PLA, to make new metal stripper clips.
I sliced my hand open while trying to load my 1908 by holding the bolt back. The protruding bit on the underside is quite dangerous. AR15 .223 stripper clips will work with a bit of tweaking with pliers but they won’t hold in the stripper clip guide rails. I’ve been thinking of making a metal sleeve that would solve that issue.
3D printing is getting very good. I have a 3D printed clamp on magazine system for one of my air rifles that works great even with fiddly little .22 caliber pellets. That thing turned my single shot Crosman Maximus in to a bolt action repeater.
make an (external) cap for the clip, remove right before using. If you attach it the right way it might even work as holdopen for that stubborn bit of the gun that wants to press onto the clip.
Ian, note that additive material selection is very broad with a lot of flexibility. Carbon fiber filled nylon of varying densities works best for structural purposes, as well as proprietary plastics that have varying levels of dimensional control vs strength. You also now have grown resin printers that can create very smooth surface finishes for interfacing components, so the potential for improvement is always there.
You can get 3d printer filament with metal powder impregnated in it. It would help make it stronger, and possibly stop the fear of breaking it while using it. Also, the plastic might need a little sanding with some fine sandpaper, or maybe use a little graphite powder to help lubricate the clip.
I have seen several videos of printed sheet metal forming tools. With a lot of time one could design the tools, print them and make sheet metal clips (for very small runs only, of course).
Making the feed follower top a little wider than those lips, maybe at the rear of the follower, would solve the problem of the follower falling out. Also, taking a hint from the Mauser stripper clips, maybe a thin spring along the back would provide enough force to keep the rounds from jiggling out.
This design is good but it would be very very easy to make it work just as good if not better than the original. For one the feed lips can be bent inwards with a small bit of clearance underneath to allow the plastic to flex slightly. This would not only keep the rounds from falling out but also stop the follower from coming out. Also if I had to guess the sticking is simply just the surface finish of the plastic causing friction, with time it will wear down smooth.
It could use a little tiny price of metal running up the back, just above where it meets with the body, to make it ridged. I'm not sure what. Something cheap, to stay with the theme. Oh. Or a triangle for support in the same place. Fixes like two issues at least!
Your problem where the clip being sticky when you try to push the rounds down comes from the intrinsic lack of tensile rigidity in the printed plastic. To get it to properly feed you'll have to use a finger behind the clip to hold it straight so it doesn't bend forward. That's why the last clip you tried worked so smoothly. They could perhaps modify the design to include a very thin channel where an easily shaped ] shaped line of sheet metal could be inserted for rigidity sake. It wouldn't have to go into the feed lips, just the main bulk of the body. Having the part rely on an internal brace would also let it print at an angle which would provide better precision, even if it would normally be more vulnerable to layer splitting.
I think the integration of a long thin strap of sheet steel in the backbone could help to resolve some of the rigidity issues, especially after the first round has been loaded and the bolt tries do drop
It's cheaper to actually buy a 3D printer to make them than it is to buy an original. Bonkers.
Yes and no. You can get the printers cheap, but if you want the precision you need for something like this, you're going to want to spend more on the printer.
What do they cost?
If you get an ender 3, which is only 170ish euros, you have more than enough room for upgrading it to a point where it could consistently make stuff like this. If you get shipped a good one you might even be able to do it with a completely stock ender 3.
Yeah, no. An ender 3 with a 0.25mm nozzle would be plenty accurate for this sort of thing.
Not to mention that only the feedlip has to be thin, the rest of the stripper clip that sits outside the gun could be beefed up
@@gnaskar Youre (kinda) wrong on this. Yes, you'd have to spend quite a sum to get a printer capable of this precision out-of-the-box, but my $260-ish printer could probably do it given enough time and effort to set it up properly. And the cost of producing more clips just goes down and down with each piece printed. Make 15 clips and you're in the range of some *really* nice priners.
Today on forgotten weapons, dodging the RUclips Algorithm.
@@WoobsBallJesse YT be like:
Guys are filming a man who commited suicide? No problem.
How you can manufacture a clip for a pistol thats 100+ years old? No thats too much.
I would be very happy to see the whole premise of using algorithms to ban/remove any sort of content online, itself be banned. If RUclips wants content off its platform, it should be forced to do it manually.
@@BleedingUranium 500 hours of video are added to RUclips every minute. It is impossible to moderate that volume without some kind of automation.
If a metal clip is $400 I'm surprised that nobody is making them for sale.
The demand is probably pretty limited. They're 400 now, but once you bring a few to market the price will rapidly drop once everyone who wants them has a handful and then you're stuck with all the equipment you put together for making them.
@Ivan Ivanoff I'd be very impressed if Gopnik Manufacturing Industries could make them run nice and smooth.
If somebody sent me the specs, I would make them in steel. Master metalsmith , making a short run would not be all that bad / piece. Still would need to make 50 of them to spread the cost of tooling.
Daniel Tokar.
willowforge.com/
@@Rhynome I'd say there's a different market for the new clips, and the old ones are liable to retain their value.
@@jacksonsmith5490 That's a very fair point, which unfortunately doesn't bode well for people wishing to fabricate and sell metal versions even at cost.
-3d printing fleshlights
RUclips: I sleep
-3d printing loading device for an historic firearm that is unlikely to ever be used for shooting a living being ever again
RUclips: Real shit
I don't see any problem with either.
The point is some highly respectable lads came up with a subject of FGC9 (search it up ur self with VPN and Cognito,u’ve been warned if u don’t know wat it is),and expect democrats to be very angry plus serveral news channel promoting it with serveral fancy words “ untraceable” “undetectable”,which make those great corporates like the plate form we are now on to self demonetise.
@Ryan McKinney As opposed to a cold war reporter.
@@lucassolomon1079 uncool, melting disagreement commentator
@The GunMaster leftist here who’s interested in firearms, that is phenomenally incorrect. Most of us would like it if people would simply stop shooting each other. Please don’t assume.
I can think of a couple of improvements. The thing about 3D printing is, you’re not limited by the constraints of stamped sheet metal. It shouldn’t be all that difficult to make a version that doesn’t lean when the bolt drops, provided you have access to the original pistol or at least accurate measurements for CAD.
Honestly that was probably one of his early models. I would like to see future upgrades to it to see if it can be comparable to the original
big issue it had was warping as well. thin flat plastic surface will have a tendency to do so, even after the fact. and that will also cause binding in the clip itself. Just adding a metal strip along the back would solve all issues (if warping wasnt an issue a small piece at the bottom to push back against the mechanism would suffice)
Maybe, you still need to fit the clip in the pistol, and the pistol is cut for the metal ones.
Email the link on his website and I'll send the dimensioned drawing I made for the originals for when I try to make a metal one with 3D printed dies. I pulled them from scaled pictures, so it's not a perfect representation, but it's better than nothing.
Why won't he just make it out of, well, the sheet metal?
Modifying the design a little bit to include a pocket to slide in a thin piece of metal on the lower rear section (to keep the bolt held back properly) might just do the trick, and perhaps slightly bending the feed lips to make it harder for rounds to tumble out, or perhaps simply a throw away "cap" sort of arrangement, pop the cap off, drop the clip in, done,
Or maybe make it so that a simple "U" shaped metal peice with the feed lips can be added ?
I had almost the exact same idea, but I would make the sheet metal strip the whole length of the clip, that way the rounds slide better and can´t dig their rim into the plastic when they aren´t pushed exactly straight.
Yep! That's what I was thinking also. Start off with 24 gauge tin n then if that works out sweet if not bump it down to 26 gauge which is a lil thin but I'm not sure if much wiggle room too start with.
two little nubs on the front end of the lower clip section would probably suffice, enough to be in the way of the rounds falling out, but the plastic being springy enough to allow them to move out of the way.
I was also thinking about a part added to shore up the clip while loading, kind of like a door-to-wall barricade so you can load bullets faster and easier without worrying about the clip being pushed out of place by the bolt or whatever the fuck it is
A word of warning from someone who participates in a hobby involving 3d printed parts outside: Be careful with those clips in the hot Arizona sun. I dont know what material Thomas used but a lot of plastics used in 3d printing have a relatively low melting point and they can deform easily in the summer heat. Of course with a clip like this theyre cheap to make more of if you have a printer but it means youre out of a clip until you have time to actually do that, and if you dont have a printer of course you have to get someone else to make it.
Really glad to see people making awesome stuff like this though, seriously awesome.
While in itself a good warning, those look like resin prints to me. Resin printers don't work by melting the polymers, but rather by curing a UV-sensitive polymer fluid.
Those still can warp under heat, but they are not nearly as prone to melting as, say, PLA, which is probably the most widely used material for the melting kind of printers.
Still, as I said, definitely something to keep an eye on.
Here's a link for more like this, been using this channel 15 years but it's no loss. lbry.tv/@Deterrence-Dispensed:2
@@angelusmaker ah, I didn't notice that but you're right. Ty
@@angelusmaker It is not a resin print. You can see the path the nozzle took at 2:56, so it is FDM plastic print.
@@Minecraftfreak3535 Hot damn, you're right, I missed that! Nice catch.
A lot of people who actually own this gun and cant find the metal stripper clips will get really happy,even if they got one,now they can keep a lot of platic stripper clips loaded to have some fun,thanks to Ian.
well the person or people who have made an stl file.
C a s p e r
They can go further and design a better plastic version to deal with the issues he got in the video since it only needs to fit in the slot
Gun Jesus discovers additive manufacturing.
“Blessed be the filaments, for they are the liberators of the pew-pews.”
-Remington 3:16
Amen
Amen.
Amen, brother Jim.
If you have an 'additively manufactured' part, you can encase that in plaster and try casting it out of brass, or aluminum.
FarmCraft101 made a video about this, and the dimensions could be surprisingly accurate.
Those flex a lot, if you're going through all that trouble make a stamp from the plastic (they do this for aircraft parts) and make it from sheet metal like original. Steel has completely different properties from both of those, and casting isn't going to be smooth like you want without tremendous work and at that point you could probably just bend one by hand.
Casting something that thin can be problematic. Plus as already mentioned, stamped sheet steel, will be stronger than a cast part of the "same" metal. The process will effect material strength. The micro-structure (material science) will be completely different. Forging (beating with a hammer) alters the material, itself. Its just not shaping it. The sheet steel, was forged and drawn ("Drawing" is a metal process - Google it) from a cast fat billet, down to a thin sheet. This strengthens the material. Metal processing is long and evolved subject.
@@michaelmoorrees3585 The 3d printed part itself is already strong enough, so basically any metal will do.
No need for work hardening or other treatments, at least for private use.
This does not need to complete government trials, just last for about as many rounds as one would like to put through such an old firearm.
Weather it can be cast that thin, I don't know, but the follower would certainly work, plus brass has pretty nice friction properties.
Speaking from experience, it is *extremely* difficult to get this level of detail using "lost PLA" casting. It can be done, but you need specialty materials, tools, and expertise, or a whole lot of luck and patience.
@@jakegarrett8109 it is difficult to imagine could be the shape of the stamps, perhaps it wasn't stamps at all, perhaps it was something more continuous like shaping a metal ribbon with rollers or pulling it through a shape.
Is this like in Labyrinth where you've gotta say the very specific words before the goblins steal your baby?
Oh, also, I think a better use of the additive manufacturing would be making press dies to re-create the clips out of sheet metal. Check out Stuff Made Here to see how he did it.
That was my exact same idea. I will get my hands on the files and look into it.
It doesn't even start with "I wish!"
@@TheMarci201 Make sure to use the Additive Manufacturing keyword to avoid Big Brother lol! We're really living in the 1984 of RUclips rn
@@NachozMan truly, its frightening
@@NachozMan Or you can go to Odysee and download the files to print Gat frames. A whole different world there.
When Ian discovers fosscad there will be an influx of obscure French pistol caliber bullpups and century old bolt actions greebeled up.
Also, Ian, put some sort of dry lube in those clips.
Or if you're a complete madman, print them using nylon filament for that ultra-low friction.
@@SundownMarkTwo Nylon is too soft.
Gluing in some thin metal shim stock in the bottom would possibly make the cartridges slide a bit easier due to lower friction.
And maybe a small shim where the bolt pushes the clip to keep the plastic from warping.
Plastic used in the printers come out extremely smooth with vary little friction. I suspect it was the bolt not being held back all the way by the clip casing the issues.
@@cartersteinweg1531 It did look like the bottom of the clip was being pushed forward. A smooth bottom could cause this. So the solution would be some way to make the bottom rougher and having more friction to resist being slid forward. But I would think a stiffer spine so that the clip would not warp would also help.
Additive printing is just entering its sophomore stage; what was once inconceivable is now barely possible, and huge steps forward are already visible in the near distance.
For under US$5000, you can get into carbon fiber-reenforced nylon structural printing. Sintered metal and weldment buildup printing are dropping in price too.
Like other recent technology leaps, additive printing has huge implications on how life will look in the future.
it will be a massively useful tool for people who want to make things themselves for sure
Well said.
It will become more mainstream when it is as easy to use as a microwave.
@@shawnr771 that stage is coming fast.
@@andersonrobotics5608 I anticipate that it'll become routine to scan and print replacement parts for, and even build from scratch, household appliances and automotive parts.
Hell, I just replaced a fairing on my car that could easily enough have been printed overnight - if I had a printer capable of the size - instead of waiting three days for it to ship in. And *that* is a major change from when I would have been going to a scrap yard to search for the part, or wait a couple weeks for it to arrive at an auto parts shop.
The world is getting faster and faster, and additive manufacturing will only press the accelerator harder.
@@lairdcummings9092 it has and probably will change the dynamics of manufacturing, supply chains and logistics.
When it is possible to buy only raw material for many common household products and possibly recycle them on site.
In a WIRED magazine article they called the invention of the inkjet printer( fore runner of 3D printing) one of the greatest inventions of the 20th century.
We are on the leading edge of a technolgical revolution.
It is having starts, stops and growing pains but is quickly getting out of it's infancy.
To me the process is very interesting and I am looking forward to it becoming more mainstream for home use and less hobbyist oriented.
This is exactly what RUclips should be for; the sharing of information that makes hobbies more enjoyable! I mean, there are videos of this exact same process making parts for old steam engines. Keeping history alive for future generations to reference is never a bad thing. Thank you, Ian, for posting this. 👍 So please, RUclips, do NOT hassle Ian for this.
*Gun Jesus resurrects Roth Steyr from the dead with miraculous strippers.* 1316 Colorized.
*heavenly choir sings*
Love those old strippers, the new ones are to plastic.
Praise be unto Gun Jesus! \o/
@@derekbowbrick6233 weird reversal of reality, where the old strippers have the 1970s "hard as a basketball" plastics and the new ones go with saltwater and similar "almost natural" stuff :P
Very nice of the guy to make his files available for everyone.
fun thing is, looking at that clip it's not that complicated structurally, a piece of sheet metal that has some fine bends in it, bends that would be hard to do without tooling mind you. But the beauty with additive manufacturing is that you can both make a casting mold for such things and even make a bending buck, meaning technically all youll need is a 3d printer, some sheet metal, cutting tools (shears will do) and a vice or a press and you can produce these yourself out of metal.
Bloke may want to do a "Will it strip" episode on this? Looked kind of awkward until I remembered the Ian is a southpaw.
The Bloke loves his strippers.
It shouldn't matter if he's left handed since the gun feeds from the top and charges from the back. It's ambidextrious
“It will streeep”
@@Gameprojordan True but to a dexter, it just looked awkward. Like, "Why doesn't he hold it the other way. Oh, right."
Ian, I think the time is coming where politics and historical artifacts cannot be separated. I hope that this channel serves as a wonderful platform to inspire others to see the ingenious problem solving of a past era should not be forgotten, because it will educated and drive others to pursue careers in problem solving of the future. The purpose and function of 'things' might change, but we should remember that people we just figuring out the best way to fix a problem. If we forget our past, we are doomed to fail at the challenges of our future.
**ender pro 3 would be half the cost of one stripper clip Ian, you might think about it... lol**
It will also help fill the gap made by STEM programs and workplaces where politics demands that 2+2=5. We may have a Fahrenheit 451 ending where people huddle in private to make things that work once everything starts breaking.
Ah yes Ive been waiting for someone to [redacted] [redacted] clips
I love the idea of "Addative Manufacturing" of course I cannot partake as I had lost all my guns in a horrible boating incident.
@オクタン LOL. Was it the same lake that Demolition Ranch lost all of his guns in, right after he showed off his entire collection? ;) :D
That's very cool. I hope that people are able to take advantage of additive manufacturing to do more stuff like this in the future.
Additive manufacturing is really helping users of handlheld small mass accelerators accelerate their masses.
ruclips.net/video/txUcVTgM5U8/видео.html We are out here doing it
Much love, Ian. Great content as always.
I know where a Roth Steyr is at for sale looked at it several time but never pulled the trigger on purchase (pun intended) because of clip issues. Thanks for the information on these.
Two days ago? lmao
@@gaymansupreme weird 🤔
@@gaymansupreme im guessing they're a patreon member and got early access to the video via patreon :)
Yep I'm a time travel I have already watched videos that will not come out till July
Love it! Thank you, Thomas, for doing this, and thank you, Ian, for sharing!
Additive manufacturing is being used to make replacement parts for all sorts of historic, archaic or obscure devices. Particularly, as in this case, if the parts themselves haven't been made for decades, are very rare and have prices to match.
You might for instance consider looking for additive manufactured replacements for more obscure magazines.
I like how it ejects just all over the place. A case-deflecting headwear is a must.
Didnt know that semi-conductor crisis inffected also guns
Replicated the old swiss metal/cardboard loading clips with my printer, works like a charm. Haven't used them with live ammo yet, but with dummy rounds.
These mysterious devices of which you speak are getting more advanced by the day. It's going to be very interesting once consumer grade devices hit more people's homes than just the enthusiasts; All sorts of industries are going to have to reckon with it. Some of them are incredibly easy to set up and get using too!
@@MAJMAJESTIC there's already been some action on that front on the Warhammer minis side of printing. Lots of 3rd party designers getting hit with C&D's by the big company. Still, I've already got the files and the printer. It'll at least add a dimension to be accounted for; I'm curious to see if we see name brand companies putting out official STL files to try and undercut the guys who would just make it anyway.
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It takes a bit of tweaking but I've made some swiss Schmidt rubin stripper clips for my k11 and k31 that work amazingly. The key is printing the clips at an angle so the layers aren't parallel with stress points, that way they don't break as easily. I also do a little 600 grit sanding to smooth out any contact surfaces.
Also the good thing about these is that they can be practically completely disposable. With the amount of material just 20 dollars can get you, you can probably print something like 500 of them.
with eco PLA filament，they are even environmental friendly
This neatly closes a circuit, since the reason such things are so rare nowadays is that they were intended to be viewed as disposable by their original users, and so the vast majority of them were handled carelessly and either lost, broken, or outright discarded.
@@ZGryphon Very good point. Suspect none of the soldiers issued these where thinking that 100+ years on anyone would still be shooting them.
Fantastic piece of work. I love how rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing has revolutionized small volume production of specialty parts.
And with new clips, the value of the pistol just went up... Because people can use it... But there is still the ammo factor...
Suggestion to the maker...
I printed a run of parts once and was able to reinforce them with a steal band that was inserted after printing. You may want to look at adding a channel to the "back" of the clip to add a strip of sheet metal. This may help prevent the bolt from deforming the clip. In fact, if you can replace the entire floor of the channel with a metal strip that floats in slots in the walls, it may allow for some flexibility and allow you to have functioning lips at the bottom/end.
Awesome project. Well done
Wonder if he could leave two lines down the inside of the extractor grooves where you could slide in some steel wire?
3d printing is great. I just finished designing printable +2 magazine extensions for HK P30/SFP9/VP9. They are great, printed with PLA+ they can withstand quite forceful throw on concrete (as opposed to initial prototypes that broke from a normal magazine drop). Today i tested them on the range, 100% reliability. Still needs some minor tweaks, but it could be considered finished.
As for 3d printed clips, there is always some variation from one piece to the next. You could try smoothing inside surface with fine sandpaper (400 grit for example) or steel wool. Slowly and preferably wet, as the plastics commonly used in home 3d printers get soft at pretty low temperatures, so you have to prevent it from warming up too much.
If they are printed from ABS, you could try acetone vapor smoothing. If it's PLA, vapor smoothing is quite difficult - substances you need (eg. chloroform) are more dangerous, don't evaporate as easily and are harder to get, so sanding is your best pal here.
I have a feeling that it might also be the technique used when feeding the clip in that made the difference. I'd say try using the other stripper clips with that third technique you used and that could improve loading with the other two. I dunno, not a gun guy, just stating an idea. Have a good one, Ian.
That is really cool and a kudos to the person who came up with them. It may not be perfect but it works. Betcha this gets around and people will start shooting these pistols more.
Ian please bring a video about M95 barret,nobody talks about it on youtube anymore,last content is like 7-9 years.
ah yes, my favorite Counter-Strike Online AMR.
It would be really nice.
Its a bolt action bullpup chambered in .50 BMG.
@@TheDocPlatypus yes, but it isnt like they weird, obscure prototypes from a dusty tool room.
Or even a foreign weapon basically unavailable in the US.
We know why they bullpup, we know why they 50, and we know who the military doesnt use it like they use the M82.
@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 he asked lan
@@kameronjones7139 and nobody asked you.
The nice thing about additive manufacturing, if you have the CAD files, is that experimenting with subtle changes to fix the problems, as many people have already suggested, is simple and cheap. If something bends, make it thicker or add a rib. Shaoes that would be next to impossible in sheet metal may be easy in PLA. There's also the possibility of making a core for a "lost-PLA" casting in metal, though that is vulnerable to dimensional changes if you need very close tolerances.
Hopefully that will bring down the price of the OG cliperinos.
Maybe a simple, easy to source, small metal plate on the contact surface would fix many of the issues. You can design in the space for it to friction fit if clever.
And if not you can just glue the thing in. None of this needs to be more durable than what you can afford to lose when you have 20 of them and not enough ammo to shoot it more than occasionally.
Totally agree with you Ian! There is a seller over on Ebay that has picked up the mantle of an older guy that used to hand make a device (out of wood using subtractive mfg) for opening shotshells in order to make wax slugs. Unfortunately, the older guy is no longer around to make them, but, this seller on Ebay makes the exact item using additive manufacturing and sells them for about $25. Reasonable price and it works, definitely a good product.
I’d love to go back in time and give all those inventors 3D printers. Imagine what they’d have come up with
In general, too. Not even just guns
“I’m gonna make some weird shit!”
Styer, upon being given a 3D printer.
@@MAJMAJESTIC The fact is, one cannot change the heart or mind of another person. They must first be open to change, even at risk of their perception of the world being uncovered as false
That's pretty cool that the camera is picking up the trigger set and reset. I love all the little mechanical noises of old guns. :)
The implications of this additional manufacturing are amazing though. How long until certain very hard to come by (at a reasonable price) replacement parts for all of our favourite subjects will be available for the wider community? Makes me quite hopeful.
Depends on the load on the part
I can theoretically print a tokarev mag, for example, but the dimensions dont allow me to make it stiff enough to keep the rounds from shooting out
Right now you can get a 3D printer capable of using PLA, ABS or even PETG for less than 200$. It may require some upgrades and work on the long time, but it's real right now
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Yes, the 3D additive plastic strippers are thicker than the spring steel originals, but the thickness is essential for strength.
I had a Roth Steyr, and made ammo using cut down .30Carbine cases, and the clip part of .30 carbine loading clips, filling only 8 rounds...worked a charm. Gun is now in the hands of Serious Colt Revolver and Pre-1920 Auto Pistols collector !
DocAV
Seems like this could be easily improved by just having a thin sheet of metal across the back.
Thank you so much for still showing this stuff, missing out on that wonderful comment would be a shame. Hope to see more like this!
Should people try the personal services ads in their local newspaper for "Suzy's clip joint" or have I got the wrong idea?
Another word you can use is "rapid prototyping" although it is a much more broad subject
From now on, [R E D A C T E D] will be known as "additive manufacturing."
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@@ZGryphon Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well
I bought my first 3D printer in 2015 and I must say this was the best buy in my entire life :) I went deep into 3d printing and recently also added CNC machining to my hobbies, because it's closely related. Life is so much easier if you have 3d printer and know how to use it.
Are we getting closer to an episode on modern 3d printed guns? :D I'd love to see a FGC-9 here.
Ugh don't mention that word in comments or the RUclips bots are gonna come after Ian...
@@tharqal2764 Not really. Nothing is going to happen to him because of my comment.
I will love such a video immensely.
Has anybody even forgotten that sillyness yet? As if you couldn't get enough deaththrowers otherwise, yeah let's "print them"... and then you wonder why RUclips bans talk about 3D Printing weapons...
@@JumaiPL 3D printed guns already exist.
Good to see this manufacturing method beeing usefull in this market. If I may (and you want to make a couple dozen of these for yourself and other owners of this pistol), I would like to suggest to print a couple (5-10) of these stripper clips on a resin 3D printer. These prints are way more detailled and smooth. These are not very strong by themself and can break easily but they make excellent mold templates for a silicon mold. With this mold you can make 5-10 Polyurethane stripper clips an hour.
The reason why I suggest using this method, and why I think you get mixed results with the parts you made is because the surface of a FDM print is quite rough and sliding parts can bind easily when you are not very carefull.
Someone needs to send me a metal clip or at least every measurement of it so I can replicate these in metal
I have had unobtainable replacement parts for a Combat Graflex military camera KE-4, additively manufactured in titanium. It was not cheap but most of the cost was in having the drawings done and a print file written. Subsequent copies would be much cheaper. My choice of material for the Steyr clips would be the very tough maraging steel, which is available as an additive manufacturing powder for 3D laser metal printers, such as the Renishaw.
You'd think that a few strips of bent sheet metal would be easy to make.
Nope, it most certainly is not.
Economics of scale... to really justify making the whole set of tools and get them reasonably tight in tolerances that they can work in the field, you'd have to have a market of a couple of thousand clips in guaranteed sales. You might find a couple of hundred that you can actually sell in a reasonable time span so pre-financing the endeavour won't grind your profit margin into so much wishes and unicorns... which means you'd have to cut corners and go down with your expectations and might produce a lot of unworkable clips between the good ones... that doesn't make for a good business model.
Good on Ian and his family/staff/fellow enthusiasts for making stuff like this possible, keeping this stuff alive is something we all will wish we would have done 20 years and well beyond from now. We appreciate you Ian!
Seeing that [REDACTED] at the beginning got me thinking: Is RUclips-kun that much of a virgin that it can't tolerate the text "stripper" in the video, or something? xD
Nah, 3 Dee Print Edd
Talking about "additive manufacturing" firearm parts is basically a guaranteed community strike and possible channel deletion.
Its not surprising considering where Google headquarters is located and the opinions of upper executives.
@@greyhoundTex Yeah, ultimately I figured it had something to do with creating facsimiles in 3 dimensions.
@@zerostarx1 RUclips has already gotten in trouble with its sponsors for monetizing videos from terrorists due to the automatic nature of the whole process, it only makes financial sense to not risk that catastrophe happening again, regardless of where their headquarters are
Additive printing is *incredibly* disruptive, pollitically, socially, and economically. Oh, it's not a revolution - *yet* - but it *will* be. It's going to change the way the world works, and a LOT of the existing economic power players are extremely worried about it.
Depending on the material used, you can use acetone or similar solvent vapors to smooth out the material and get less friction without having to change the design at all.
What I'd do is add more material to the front end so it doesn't tilt under pressure, and slightly undersize the portion holding the walls of the cartridge to create a spring fit that prevents fall out.
Haha, you are in Arizona? Watch out in a hot car with those, they will get bendy and soft. Probably will even happen just sitting out in the sun there.
Those of us who live in The Oven State already know the precautions that need to be taken. It's a cool 117 today.
@@kevinsullivan3448 It's like living in a damned blast furnace. The best part is working outside this time of year.
♪♫♫ " well it's 110 in Gila Bend, in Buckeye it's 102, summer's here and i just can't find a way ..." ♪♫♫ ( Heat Stroke - Dusty Chaps - '75 )
Just additively manufacture them in ABS instead of PLA. ABS is the stuff Lego is made of. That handles boiling water without getting soft.
A few ‘modifications’ to make to a wee bit better design.
1) Print it with a slot running almost the full length of the clip, roughly along the line of the primers, and put a small screw through into the follower, keeping it from following through on the loading.
2) print the two feed lips to have a slight bump on the inside to prevent the cartridges falling out.
3) extend the feed lips to the full length of the breech opening, to prevent the bolt from being able to close, keeping the feed angle correct.
Worth experimenting with, at negligible cost per unit.
3D Printing is darned cool.
I've always wondered about the feasibility of "reinforcing" the plastic with a molded in metal piece? 🤔
Additive printing goes places we don't even grasp yet.
Bit of sheet stock and a soldering iron. Job done.
Pretty much my thoughts. Possibly pause the printing part way to insert a metal plate after you've formed a socket for it rather than needing precise positioning at the start? More actions required on your part per clip but as I don't see them being a true mass produced item it could save faff on setup and reduce failure numbers.
Yeah, a lot of printed designs for, uh, "Handheld lead projectors" uses off the shelf metal pieces to reinforce areas that deal with list of stress. For example, many designs have metal reinforcing the area where the stock connects to the receiver.
If you want to see the feasibility of 3d printing and firearms check up booligan on here he does quite a bit recently and talks about design in respect to mostly pistols as for reinforcement specifically creating channels in your design and printing round things is doable probably easier to bore it out and add later
Making the pusher with a flat surface, or even concave to position the thumb close to the back of the clip would help it push the cartridges straight down into the magazine. The pusher in this design is slanted which tries to let the thumb (or your pushing finger of choice) slide forward and naturally puts a tilting force on the clip. Make it easier to push straight down and it would naturally work better.
Makes me wonder if this could be a good avenue to pursue producing stripper clips for other firearms as well. While I understand that for the likes of a Mauser k98 or a mosin nagant the quips are still widely available but between wear, age and variances in production it really feels like a mixed bag whether or not you're going to get a good one to use. This is especially true with k98 stripper clips when they might be in to lose tension in being able to keep the bullets where they need to be rather than having them fall out.
People already 3d print loqds of other steipper clips. Example: the chargers for the K31
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Is it just me or is it insane that he has to dance around describing how to obtain a replacement accessory for a century-old gun?
It's a long story. The super short version goes like this:
Someone who believes that there should be no gun laws at all (as in, how milk is sold, commercially stored, distributed, processed, etc, should have way stricter laws than guns) finds out that you can buy every part of some random shotgun except the polymer receiver (the controlled item).... but that that receiver can be 3d printed. Thus anyone "can legally obtain a firearm" by some seriously liberal interpretation of law text.
Said loonie goes on and makes a big splash about it (via youtube and other media) to the point that (uninformed) legislators are seriously contemplating making 3d printers a controlled item that can only print digitally signed objects. Manufacturers of often-copied items are thrilled. The maker community is about to print out cute little miniature pitch forks and post offensive words in the internet. Some of them might even have cried a little and/or gotten a head ache.
Several youtube employees are active in the maker space and own 3d printers themselves. Strings are pulled to shut down said loonie. RUclipss EULA is updated by lawyers who couldn't tell a Lee Enfield from a Green Meanie if their life depended on it... The whole thing is worded exactly as stupid as you would imagine. Actually it's probably a little more stupid than that unless you have an exceptionally good imagination.
So basically: "What do you get when extremists, grass root movements, big corporations, politicians and lawyers end up in the same big pile of rush?".... A clusterfuck. As usual.
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"Kinda huge."
Ya think..?
Additive printing in structural materials is only beginning to show what it can do. Structural plastics printing is actually beginning to reach prices where the layman can afford to get into it.
@@lairdcummings9092 3D printed houses for around $10K each is one of the most impressive bits I've seen. That includes a reinforced cavity wall that can be filled with expanding foam for additional insulation, both thermal and acoustic, and would only require some slight design tweaks to allow a smaller number of fill points.
@@lairdcummings9092 ; Jep, one of the best examples is GE 3D Printing entire jet-turbine parts and sections, while increasing strength, reducing weight and increasing efficiency.
@@MrGrimsmith put that printer & support equipment on a truck, and you've got a radical change to life in a destitute community.
Flooding or wildfire or insane weather wipe out homes? Instant shelter, printing out now!
Poor region without basic living shelter? Mobile printer to the rescue!
Just this *one* example has huge implications.
@@FirstDagger complex shapes that are extremely difficult to create in other ways are now reasonable to make. Not in huge quantity, *yet,* but that's just an issue of maturing the tech.
Oh, and biomedical devices? Sky is the limit. Why amputate or shorten a limb due to bone-crushing injury, when you can print a replacement bone scaffold which the body will over-lay with new bone? Metallic pins and plates? How about printed, absorbable re-enforcements, instead? No need for secondary surgery to remove the bits, once they've done their job!
I have seen the Paper stripper clips that actually work from Homemade Replica Channel that I forgot the name, And they're pretty reliable too.
Found it! :
ruclips.net/video/E8MRzVzOIV8/видео.html
So what you're telling me is if I could manufacturer high quality metal reproductions I could sell them for 50 dollars a piece? 100 a piece? (Edit) Holy crap originals are 400 dollars? Guess I could sell repros for 200! LoL
when you remember there's also metal and ceramic printing materials and machines it opens up a lot more possibility's for arms collectors to make not just striper clips but also full clips and full on parts . while the metal printing part of this is still overly expensive it will in time come down to a more affordable range . but there are places were you can go and have a metal part made to order and have it come out ready to use with little to no finish work
C'mon people: Ian's beard is SPANISH to the max. He's a Noble Conquistador, the modern Cristobal Columbus -> there's not a trace of resemblance to Jesus of Nazareth on Ian's earthly outside. However, Ian's impeccable character and Ian's life on the path of truth is very much resembling Lord Jesus. So, Ian's soul (or his inside - if you are an agnostic) shows qualities which are truly God given, (outstanding for non-believers), and then they have been developed by Ian McCollum himself. Thus, thru all his work, he came to be an icon of truthfulness.
(Cristoforo Colombo apparently didn't have a mustache and was Genoese)
that's kind of the nature with FDM printers, specially if the print orientation has the layer grain that grinds against each other. the thumb pusher part thing could be filleted on the edges that hit the rail, the print orientation maybe turned 90 degree on either the pusher or the clip rail, etc.
I think it's strange that the owners of a website devoted to public expression also believe in fascistic censorship.
Because they are goverened by the will of the CCP
this comment needs a thousand thumbs up right here
Google is a surveillance monopoly, not a platform for free speech.
Drill a small hole in the channel for a dome head rivet. The case head and rim of the cartridge will have to slide over the dome of the rivet as you press down and it will also keep the thumb tab from falling out.
Take a piece of white PVC and section it so it will snap around the bolt. This may be made to hold the bolt open. Then load with the stripper, and when the rounds are in the mag you can pop the PVC off and let the bolt close. No more pinched skin or GJ ow.
There are companies that can "additive manufacture" in metals. After modifying model of the main body to have springy feed lips and printing in metal you would have a more reliable and less flexible clip. The pusher could be left in plastic or if you want to go fancy, milled out of UHMW plastic for smoother action.
An excellent video on why a pistol grip loaded magazine is still the best pistol design.
Super duper cool all props to w.e came up with the design
that one of the coolest part of 3d printing for rare or forgotten stuff like that or miniature like old pieces of warhammer equipement or for spare
Table Ian: Pointedly avoids saying "3D printed"
Range Ian: 4:24
You can make things out of plastic and they might function and will probably be strong enough, what you can't do is increase the Youngs modulus of the plastic to match metal. Plastic parts will always be more flexible.
The correct approach is to use additive manufacture to create new press tools, possibly using investment casting, from additively made PLA, to make new metal stripper clips.
making bends at the end and smoothing with some sanding and you get pretty good alternative to metal clips
I sliced my hand open while trying to load my 1908 by holding the bolt back. The protruding bit on the underside is quite dangerous. AR15 .223 stripper clips will work with a bit of tweaking with pliers but they won’t hold in the stripper clip guide rails. I’ve been thinking of making a metal sleeve that would solve that issue.
3D printing is getting very good. I have a 3D printed clamp on magazine system for one of my air rifles that works great even with fiddly little .22 caliber pellets. That thing turned my single shot Crosman Maximus in to a bolt action repeater.
To stop the first ammo from falling out, heat the ends of the clip's lips a little with a lighter and bend inward a little. Try it.
make an (external) cap for the clip, remove right before using. If you attach it the right way it might even work as holdopen for that stubborn bit of the gun that wants to press onto the clip.
Awesome...loving the sediment layers as well.
Ian, note that additive material selection is very broad with a lot of flexibility.
Carbon fiber filled nylon of varying densities works best for structural purposes, as well as proprietary plastics that have varying levels of dimensional control vs strength.
You also now have grown resin printers that can create very smooth surface finishes for interfacing components, so the potential for improvement is always there.
Nice, always glad to see people helping old guns stay alive
My favorite old semi auto, for the same reason you described, unusual, well made, mechanically intriguing pistol.
You can get 3d printer filament with metal powder impregnated in it. It would help make it stronger, and possibly stop the fear of breaking it while using it.
Also, the plastic might need a little sanding with some fine sandpaper, or maybe use a little graphite powder to help lubricate the clip.
I have seen several videos of printed sheet metal forming tools. With a lot of time one could design the tools, print them and make sheet metal clips (for very small runs only, of course).
Making the feed follower top a little wider than those lips, maybe at the rear of the follower, would solve the problem of the follower falling out. Also, taking a hint from the Mauser stripper clips, maybe a thin spring along the back would provide enough force to keep the rounds from jiggling out.
This design is good but it would be very very easy to make it work just as good if not better than the original.
For one the feed lips can be bent inwards with a small bit of clearance underneath to allow the plastic to flex slightly. This would not only keep the rounds from falling out but also stop the follower from coming out.
Also if I had to guess the sticking is simply just the surface finish of the plastic causing friction, with time it will wear down smooth.
It could use a little tiny price of metal running up the back, just above where it meets with the body, to make it ridged. I'm not sure what. Something cheap, to stay with the theme.
Oh. Or a triangle for support in the same place. Fixes like two issues at least!
Your problem where the clip being sticky when you try to push the rounds down comes from the intrinsic lack of tensile rigidity in the printed plastic. To get it to properly feed you'll have to use a finger behind the clip to hold it straight so it doesn't bend forward. That's why the last clip you tried worked so smoothly.
They could perhaps modify the design to include a very thin channel where an easily shaped ] shaped line of sheet metal could be inserted for rigidity sake. It wouldn't have to go into the feed lips, just the main bulk of the body. Having the part rely on an internal brace would also let it print at an angle which would provide better precision, even if it would normally be more vulnerable to layer splitting.
I think the integration of a long thin strap of sheet steel in the backbone could help to resolve some of the rigidity issues, especially after the first round has been loaded and the bolt tries do drop
Too thin. I did think of that and there's just no room for a pocket to fit