What a mind twister. The hard work you do on your casefiles is very much appreciated. Thank you for what you do, it cant be easy to dig into these cases. You do wonderful work. ❤
This is absolutely disgusting. Kids lie all the time and the boys proved that with the constant change in story. The police just wanted to get the case done and didn’t even care that they could’ve ruined two lives. Kevin never got the justice he deserved
Exactly! A noise of disbelief and outrage escaped me when I heard those words. Like you said, the fact that it had been so many years - their entire remaining childhood and much of their youth - was precisely what made it so horrible! ... It was good to hear that they received due compensation later on.
I was incredibly frustrated that, in the end, the authorities declared it an accidental death. They seemed to not only fabricate evidence, but then ignore the evidence they did have and change the conclusion from homicide to accident.
@@binkao2938 I'd say more ideologically than politically motivated. They would rather put a couple of young kids through hell than look at the more obvious suspect. Then in the end they lied about it being an accident. Sick, twisted individuals.
No offense to anyone but when I heard that the police were trying to reawaken "repressed memories", I knew these kids were going to be wrongly accused. It should've been very clear before that, that these kids were making stuff up and it never witnessed anything. I'm so sorry that these kids and their family had to go through that. Not to mention Kevin's family going through additional, unneeded pain and confusion. I'm glad that at least the families involved found some degree of peace.
@@pooky1972 I meant to write "stuff". Of course I didn't think anyone thought it was "fun", especially not the kids. The "stuff" is what they said before the police started questioning them. After that, it's clear the police were mainly resposeible for what the boys were saying through bad and/or questionable interrogation techinques.
Yeah I thought the same thing, it's like using 'truth serum'. It's so easy to implant memories, even unintentionally and use leading questions to influence the answers from the accused. A lot of these repressed memory techniques are just pseudoscience resulting in confirmation bias for the investigators.
@@SpicyTexan64You don't know that and the amount of times that children have been given false memories by child services and police around that period is high. It obviously seemed like a good idea at the time which later blew up in the faces of many. A lot of people's lives have been ruined because of it, innocent people accused of things they didn't even do. As seen so many times, someone gets a thought in their head about a crime and they twist the case completely to fit their narrative, including failing to follow other leads that include different people. How many innocent people are in prison and how many innocent people have been executed?
thanks for covering this case! one of the biggest scandals in Sweden and deserves attention. Another one would be Thomas Quick, the biggest forensic scandal in Sweden and it involves the same people with the repressed memory theories.
Probably because he didn’t give them every single reason to suspect him including detailed confessions like the two kids that are the most likely suspects did.
@@Tsumami__ Felix was the one who knew where Kevins' sock(s?) and shoe(s?) were, he was one of the last persons seen (by several people) with Kevin, he lied about being at the library, and he was caught in the act of raping a little boy. I'd say those facts were more than enough reason to name him a suspect. As for the two brothers' confessions: Didn't you listen to the whole part about the botched interrogations? The thorough explanation of how their names were cleared in the end?
@@Tsumami__ except he knew where his socks and shoes were , was seen with kevin that day , bullshited the police about the library and riding his bike around the town, RAPED A 3 YEARS old kid . Dunno why such small brained people like you think that they re so inteligent(guess it s more of a rhetorical question)
This is outrageous, agregious, violation of this family's rights. How could they do this and then deny this family compensation! They bend the rules and hreak them. Have these cops never spent time with their own children to know how children want to please, can be manipulated and molded? I won't even speculate on these "doctors" actions. We've all had our fill of this memory recovery. I'm from America as well. At least one doctor's life spent ruining countless others. It's stuff like this, to put it bluntly, why so much of society think psychiatry, psychiatrists are bogus. I've seen myself the good it can do, but the hubris of this doctor was criminal the crimes the police committed was criminal.
What unnecessary trauma put on Christian and Robin and their family.. What they endured was the true crime here, I'm relieved to know they're now living the best lives they're able to. So unjust to all.
What a horrible story. Poor baby. Every part of the investigation was awful. What was the point if taking the little kids away from their parents even if they did do it? Why not continue counseling in a environment they are comfortable in? That would be far better.
It was. Sweden was a very safe country back then. No criminal gangs, honour in fistfights - you never kick someone om the ground, very little drug problems mostly ganja smokers aka hippies. Even the poor had good support from the society and the police were often kind and helpful. Even in big cities. In first grade we played almost everywhere except in the central parts of Stockholm because there were just shops an other boring places.
Felix or Jamal which is his real name. Yes I do think it was him and the police kind of knew but dident wanna look like a bunch xenophobic fascists they persued the mind ghost theory of the head of investigstion. Jamal had at least two times r-word or try to r-word two miner boys. And it's a culture thing, just watch "The Kite Runner" In Sweden it's called cod 291. The police keep the facts about refugee crimes secret Under the code "291", the police keep secret investigations into violence, threats and other crimes that can be linked to the refugee wave, writes Dagens Nyheter. No cases are submitted to the media. "Nothing should go out", it says in an internal directive with the police. * SvD * _Updated 2016-01-20_ _Published 2016-01-20_ The police keep the facts about refugee crimes secret This article has been revived on social media and is being shared extensively right now. However, we want to make our readers aware that the article is old. Previously, SvD has been able to report that the police in Stockholm have received internal directives not to report alerts when a crime is committed. In the letter, the press manager in Stockholm emphasizes that the police can be perceived as racist and that it should therefore not report information to the public. Dagens Nyheter now writes that the police also refuse to say how much resources are used to handle the refugee wave and the increasingly tense situation in many asylum accommodation. The National Operations Department, NOA, is leading the "Alma" operation, which concerns everything from border controls to law enforcement linked to the influx of refugees. All regions within the police have allocated staff to work with "Alma". As early as 26 October 2015, emergency calls for alarms about violence, threats, arson and other crimes at the Swedish Migration Agency's accommodation had become so extensive that Noah introduced a special so-called code of conduct for all cases “concerning the migrant situation” - code 291. Any report where the plaintiff, the suspect or an interrogator is a migrant must now be marked with the special code. But no information about the cases for that code is provided to the media. - The police authority makes the assessment that the information is working material, says press secretary Stephan Ray to DN. He says that assessment is unusual and that "normally there are no problems" for the media to have access to similar information. DN has read an internal directive to the police's communicators. The document, which has never been recorded, states the following: Regarding resource code 291 which has become known to the media. The code is used as working material for the daily situation picture. The daily picture of the situation is classified, so what is written there should not be disclosed /.../ Nothing should be published on paper regarding the Alma command as long as it is ongoing.
I used to love it when I visited Sweden. I won't be going back now. It's turned into a wasteland and that's really sad. Such a beautiful country and people. Feel sorry for my friends there having to deal with the stuff there now.
I am Danish and have been visiting our neighbouring country Sweden since I was a child. While Sweden has indeed taken in many refugees for decades and some have caused/are causing problems, it remains very localised in the two big cities Malmo and the capital of Stockholm.. Sweden is with its population of aprox 10 mil , the largest Scandinavian country. Most areas of Sweden have no problems with the few immigrants or refugees they have.
I think that is slowly but surely gonna change now There are a lot of measures that are gonna be made law to break up the gangs In the agreement they are gonna Introduce anonymous witnesses Introduce Visitation zones Introduce More effective juvenile penalties Investigate crimes committed by children under the age of criminal responsibility more than today There are gonna introduce stronger measures for children at least 12 years of age but under 15 years of age (The criminal responsibility) Double the penalties for gang related crime Totally remove the sentencing discounts for young adults at least 18 years old but under 21 years of age And so on
Some of the accusations against the grieving family were insensitive and cruel but I do agree that a 4 year old should not have been allowed to run around freely away from home alone. I am shocked as he was not even 7 or 8. Even an older kid could have fallen prey.
after you watched beyond 1:21:42 look att this below Currency converter One million Swedish krona is approximatly $ 104 850 £ 83 958 € 97 810 A$ 145 485 they should have gotten ten times more
@@elle9543 You mean Jamal. They know it was him from the get go but was afraid of being called xenophobic. We don't have that type of laws in Sweden. It's a mess, criminals are more worth than honest citizens.
Too many people are going on the misguided assumption that all children are innocent and incapable of harboring feelings of anger or violence. These two sound no different to Jon Venebales and Robert Thompson. It may have been the first time in modern Swedish history two juveniles were accused of murder, but it wasn’t the first time in either Swede history nor even recent history that it’s happened. Children can absolutely be detached from an incident like another kid in their neighborhood or school being killed to the point of talking about it in a very bizarre and insensitive manner. But kids can also start on the path to violent crime early, too. The fact that one of the two boys was divulging details that fit before the kids body was even found is too suspicious. This doesn’t seem like a West Memphis 3 scenario, it sounds like Swedish authorities just mishandled a case where they had two viable suspects that happened to be minors.
It is so suspicious Idk I do not think a 5 or 7 yr old can form an intent to kill, maybe they thought they were playing a game that went too far. Maybe it was accidental or maybe someone else did it perhaps
Lol. Okay dude. Look up Venebales and Thompson. They not only had the intent to kill little James Bulger but they even sexually assaulted the toddler. Kids are not always innocent.
Your wrong, oh yes they can, kids can be vicious and deserve adult penalty if they commit adult crimes. Being soft on them because of their age only exacerbates their crimes and fuels them on believing there's no punishment to their crimes and makes them feel invincible creating motion a monster
Also Kevin’s family deserves the scrutiny they received for allowing a FOUR YEAR OLD to wander unattended in any way. That is neglect. That is why the child fell victim to whomever killed him. Just because people are grieving doesn’t mean they should be granted every allowance known to man and that their shitty parenting should be ignored. What kind of idiot let’s a four year old wander loose? He could have easily drowned on accident in the water if he wasn’t murdered. Gotten hit by a car. Anything. It’s pure negligence to let a child that’s months older than what we classify as a toddler wander around town with no chaperone. His mother SHOULD be ashamed.
They should be jailed for child neglect and abandonment pure and simple, they caused their child's murder so should also be charged with accessory to murder
What a mind twister. The hard work you do on your casefiles is very much appreciated. Thank you for what you do, it cant be easy to dig into these cases. You do wonderful work. ❤
Thanks for the upload I'm in work and it's very quiet so now I can listen to this while I get everything done. Have a good day Casefilers. 👍
This is absolutely disgusting. Kids lie all the time and the boys proved that with the constant change in story. The police just wanted to get the case done and didn’t even care that they could’ve ruined two lives. Kevin never got the justice he deserved
I'm so ANGRY that those poor boys were denied financial compensation because of "too much time passing" THAT MAKES THEIR TRAUMA EVEN WORSE!!!!
Exactly! A noise of disbelief and outrage escaped me when I heard those words. Like you said, the fact that it had been so many years - their entire remaining childhood and much of their youth - was precisely what made it so horrible! ... It was good to hear that they received due compensation later on.
It says they eventually did get compensated in the end.
I was incredibly frustrated that, in the end, the authorities declared it an accidental death. They seemed to not only fabricate evidence, but then ignore the evidence they did have and change the conclusion from homicide to accident.
Politically motivated coverup
@@binkao2938 I'd say more ideologically than politically motivated. They would rather put a couple of young kids through hell than look at the more obvious suspect. Then in the end they lied about it being an accident. Sick, twisted individuals.
@@GregDeman expecially because they caught Felix doing the same thing at the same place....
It's shocking and unbelievable
Thank you Casefile ☆☆☆
What a complicated and extremely unfortunate series of events for all concerned.
A very well told case by Casefile once again.
I wish your details under the video included the date the case takes place, i always forget what year it's supposed to be taking place during.
1998
I always forget as well.
A Midwest 🌄 morning ☕🐈 and Casefile. Excellent 😊
Excellent coverage ...thanks!
No offense to anyone but when I heard that the police were trying to reawaken "repressed memories", I knew these kids were going to be wrongly accused. It should've been very clear before that, that these kids were making stuff up and it never witnessed anything. I'm so sorry that these kids and their family had to go through that. Not to mention Kevin's family going through additional, unneeded pain and confusion. I'm glad that at least the families involved found some degree of peace.
Making fun up?? Sorry but that is not fun
@@pooky1972 I meant to write "stuff". Of course I didn't think anyone thought it was "fun", especially not the kids. The "stuff" is what they said before the police started questioning them. After that, it's clear the police were mainly resposeible for what the boys were saying through bad and/or questionable interrogation techinques.
Yeah I thought the same thing, it's like using 'truth serum'. It's so easy to implant memories, even unintentionally and use leading questions to influence the answers from the accused. A lot of these repressed memory techniques are just pseudoscience resulting in confirmation bias for the investigators.
They killed him
@@SpicyTexan64You don't know that and the amount of times that children have been given false memories by child services and police around that period is high. It obviously seemed like a good idea at the time which later blew up in the faces of many. A lot of people's lives have been ruined because of it, innocent people accused of things they didn't even do.
As seen so many times, someone gets a thought in their head about a crime and they twist the case completely to fit their narrative, including failing to follow other leads that include different people.
How many innocent people are in prison and how many innocent people have been executed?
thanks for covering this case! one of the biggest scandals in Sweden and deserves attention. Another one would be Thomas Quick, the biggest forensic scandal in Sweden and it involves the same people with the repressed memory theories.
This is such a sad story. Kevin, Robin, Christian, and their families are all victims. 😢😢😢😢😢
What about the other kid? I can’t remember the refugee, Felix? Why wasn’t he named as suspect? I don’t get it!
Probably because he didn’t give them every single reason to suspect him including detailed confessions like the two kids that are the most likely suspects did.
@@Tsumami__ Felix was the one who knew where Kevins' sock(s?) and shoe(s?) were, he was one of the last persons seen (by several people) with Kevin, he lied about being at the library, and he was caught in the act of raping a little boy. I'd say those facts were more than enough reason to name him a suspect. As for the two brothers' confessions: Didn't you listen to the whole part about the botched interrogations? The thorough explanation of how their names were cleared in the end?
@@Tsumami__ except he knew where his socks and shoes were , was seen with kevin that day , bullshited the police about the library and riding his bike around the town, RAPED A 3 YEARS old kid . Dunno why such small brained people like you think that they re so inteligent(guess it s more of a rhetorical question)
@@malovela nah morons only listen to what fits their deluded agendas
Jail.him as well
Casefile rules!
Oh, Kevin! Sweet sweet little Kevin.
Less than Au$145,000 for 20 years of being unlawfully locked up as a child killer? That’s disgraceful!!!
I do not think they were ever locked up
they were 5 and 7
the age of criminal responsibility in Sweden is 15
This is outrageous, agregious, violation of this family's rights. How could they do this and then deny this family compensation! They bend the rules and hreak them. Have these cops never spent time with their own children to know how children want to please, can be manipulated and molded? I won't even speculate on these "doctors" actions. We've all had our fill of this memory recovery. I'm from America as well. At least one doctor's life spent ruining countless others. It's stuff like this, to put it bluntly, why so much of society think psychiatry, psychiatrists are bogus. I've seen myself the good it can do, but the hubris of this doctor was criminal the crimes the police committed was criminal.
Amazing episode
Terribly sad, poor little kids.
Blessings to you all
Love that they all came together to create the Kevin Foundation.
what a fascinating case!
Awesome 👏 Saturday morning!!!
Poor little innocent Kevin who loved his bike, RIP young man
I hope you're enjoying the start of Winter, Anonymous Host, and that its mild and filled with fun!
Thanx so much for your research and hard work, CaseFiles. Take care. (Might not listen to this one, the child cases are difficult).
and this case is very disturbing. I'm from Sweden and know about it.
I can't listen to the kid victim cases either.
Good morning 🌅
What unnecessary trauma put on Christian and Robin and their family.. What they endured was the true crime here, I'm relieved to know they're now living the best lives they're able to. So unjust to all.
What a horrible story. Poor baby. Every part of the investigation was awful. What was the point if taking the little kids away from their parents even if they did do it? Why not continue counseling in a environment they are comfortable in? That would be far better.
Oh my god...what a terrible story for all involved
Remember this case, there was a documentary made about the two boys, now adults and how this has affected them.
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It's crazy to think of a 4yr old free to wander "all over town" all by himself. Maybe it was safe to do so back then.
It was.
Sweden was a very safe country back then. No criminal gangs, honour in fistfights - you never kick someone om the ground, very little drug problems mostly ganja smokers aka hippies. Even the poor had good support from the society and the police were often kind and helpful.
Even in big cities. In first grade we played almost everywhere except in the central parts of Stockholm because there were just shops an other boring places.
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT then immigration
Regardless of how safe it was….
I would never trust my 4-year old to make certain decisions. Especially around older kids and around water..
Sweden is still generally safe even now. I can imagine at that time crime wasn’t even an issue. Strict gun laws, welcoming culture.
@@Purple_haze81000 that's not why. Has nothing to do with gun laws.
Where is the justice for Kevin?
God bless! Wow. I'm not okay
So sad. 👏👏👏
Remember this, it was big here in Sweden
Anon host, where are you from? I'm learning english and I'm curious about your accent.
Sweet little Jevin poor poor boy
also as soon as you said dad was helping the cops i knew the kids were screwed. yikesss
I know about this case being from Sweden but I wount spoil it
You think it was the older boy?
Yeah
Felix or Jamal which is his real name.
Yes I do think it was him and the police kind of knew but dident wanna look like a bunch xenophobic fascists they persued the mind ghost theory of the head of investigstion.
Jamal had at least two times r-word or try to r-word two miner boys. And it's a culture thing, just watch "The Kite Runner"
In Sweden it's called cod 291.
The police keep the facts about refugee crimes secret
Under the code "291", the police keep secret investigations into violence, threats and other crimes that can be linked to the refugee wave, writes Dagens Nyheter. No cases are submitted to the media. "Nothing should go out", it says in an internal directive with the police.
* SvD *
_Updated 2016-01-20_
_Published 2016-01-20_
The police keep the facts about refugee crimes secret
This article has been revived on social media and is being shared extensively right now. However, we want to make our readers aware that the article is old.
Previously, SvD has been able to report that the police in Stockholm have received internal directives not to report alerts when a crime is committed. In the letter, the press manager in Stockholm emphasizes that the police can be perceived as racist and that it should therefore not report information to the public.
Dagens Nyheter now writes that the police also refuse to say how much resources are used to handle the refugee wave and the increasingly tense situation in many asylum accommodation.
The National Operations Department, NOA, is leading the "Alma" operation, which concerns everything from border controls to law enforcement linked to the influx of refugees. All regions within the police have allocated staff to work with "Alma".
As early as 26 October 2015, emergency calls for alarms about violence, threats, arson and other crimes at the Swedish Migration Agency's accommodation had become so extensive that Noah introduced a special so-called code of conduct for all cases “concerning the migrant situation” - code 291.
Any report where the plaintiff, the suspect or an interrogator is a migrant must now be marked with the special code.
But no information about the cases for that code is provided to the media.
- The police authority makes the assessment that the information is working material, says press secretary Stephan Ray to DN.
He says that assessment is unusual and that "normally there are no problems" for the media to have access to similar information.
DN has read an internal directive to the police's communicators. The document, which has never been recorded, states the following:
Regarding resource code 291 which has become known to the media. The code is used as working material for the daily situation picture. The daily picture of the situation is classified, so what is written there should not be disclosed /.../ Nothing should be published on paper regarding the Alma command as long as it is ongoing.
@@awkwardautistic yes it was.
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT yeah it's extremely messed up that they let him go free for fear of being seen as bigoted.
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What kind of things people do man? How can someone touch a 3 year old boy? Is this real?
My god our European brothers have became ... lost , they've become lost to the spector of muscular/testicular apathy 48:01
You’re all lost in that regard, ya weirdo
Jail 5hem for life in adult prison
I must've missed something..... I thought Felix was the murderer 🤔
I used to love it when I visited Sweden. I won't be going back now. It's turned into a wasteland and that's really sad. Such a beautiful country and people. Feel sorry for my friends there having to deal with the stuff there now.
I am Danish and have been visiting our neighbouring country Sweden since I was a child. While Sweden has indeed taken in many refugees for decades and some have caused/are causing problems, it remains very localised in the two big cities Malmo and the capital of Stockholm.. Sweden is with its population of aprox 10 mil , the largest Scandinavian country. Most areas of Sweden have no problems with the few immigrants or refugees they have.
What do you mean by wasteland? I live here up in the north and it's absolutely beautiful and very calm, with very little crime.
What wasteland? Stop talking nonsense. 😂
I think that is slowly but surely gonna change now
There are a lot of measures that are gonna be made law to break up the gangs
In the agreement they are gonna
Introduce anonymous witnesses
Introduce Visitation zones
Introduce More effective juvenile penalties
Investigate crimes committed by children under the age of criminal responsibility more than today
There are gonna introduce stronger measures for children at least 12 years of age but under 15 years of age (The criminal responsibility)
Double the penalties for gang related crime
Totally remove the sentencing discounts for young adults at least 18 years old but under 21 years of age
And so on
Just say that you’re racist and don’t like Sweden’s progressive policy of allowing immigration. Lol there’s nothing wrong with Sweden.
Xenaphobia : The fear of a fictional female warrior princess played by Lucy Lawless in a 1990s TV series. 🙂🧐✌️
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Lol
And I thought South Africa is useless..I think not...they caught many killers...real killers..... wonderful coverage...thank you...you very thorough
South Arica isn't useless. It's just a shit hole.
@@SpicyTexan64 it's fine if you feel that,...I love this country....very very much
kod 291
Some of the accusations against the grieving family were insensitive and cruel but I do agree that a 4 year old should not have been allowed to run around freely away from home alone. I am shocked as he was not even 7 or 8. Even an older kid could have fallen prey.
after you watched beyond 1:21:42 look att this below
Currency converter
One million Swedish krona is approximatly
$ 104 850
£ 83 958
€ 97 810
A$ 145 485
they should have gotten ten times more
Also, I'm wondering- please tell me Felix is now a registered sex offender and is, if not imprisoned, not allowed within 300 ft of even high schools!!
@@elle9543 You mean Jamal. They know it was him from the get go but was afraid of being called xenophobic.
We don't have that type of laws in Sweden. It's a mess, criminals are more worth than honest citizens.
They got nil
Why? They were never incarcerated or anything.
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT it was the 13yr old... imo
Too many people are going on the misguided assumption that all children are innocent and incapable of harboring feelings of anger or violence.
These two sound no different to Jon Venebales and Robert Thompson. It may have been the first time in modern Swedish history two juveniles were accused of murder, but it wasn’t the first time in either Swede history nor even recent history that it’s happened. Children can absolutely be detached from an incident like another kid in their neighborhood or school being killed to the point of talking about it in a very bizarre and insensitive manner. But kids can also start on the path to violent crime early, too. The fact that one of the two boys was divulging details that fit before the kids body was even found is too suspicious. This doesn’t seem like a West Memphis 3 scenario, it sounds like Swedish authorities just mishandled a case where they had two viable suspects that happened to be minors.
Exactly my thoughts,not all children are precious
It is so suspicious
Idk
I do not think a 5 or 7 yr old can form an intent to kill, maybe they thought they were playing a game that went too far. Maybe it was accidental or maybe someone else did it perhaps
Lol. Okay dude. Look up Venebales and Thompson. They not only had the intent to kill little James Bulger but they even sexually assaulted the toddler. Kids are not always innocent.
Your wrong, oh yes they can, kids can be vicious and deserve adult penalty if they commit adult crimes. Being soft on them because of their age only exacerbates their crimes and fuels them on believing there's no punishment to their crimes and makes them feel invincible creating motion a monster
@@user-mt4ku7jw1y Sending 5 and 7 yr olds to prison is wrong. We should try to help them
@@Tsumami__ Yeah but a 5 and 7 year old should obviously not be charged with anything
Well, now I'm infuriated. Cover-up.
Nailed it. So sickening. WHY????
Politically motivated
Would be constructive to know the adult crimes of Felix. Just saying. A certain cat, and spots. African cat that is.
retard
Also Kevin’s family deserves the scrutiny they received for allowing a FOUR YEAR OLD to wander unattended in any way. That is neglect. That is why the child fell victim to whomever killed him. Just because people are grieving doesn’t mean they should be granted every allowance known to man and that their shitty parenting should be ignored. What kind of idiot let’s a four year old wander loose? He could have easily drowned on accident in the water if he wasn’t murdered. Gotten hit by a car. Anything. It’s pure negligence to let a child that’s months older than what we classify as a toddler wander around town with no chaperone. His mother SHOULD be ashamed.
They should be jailed for child neglect and abandonment pure and simple, they caused their child's murder so should also be charged with accessory to murder
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i hope work on the Foundation will help to heal both families.
Felix?
Yes him, wild child and dangerous