Very well done video. So, we ask ourselves if ~5 FPS increase with the water cooling over stock air is worth it? Of course not! But, that's not why we do these things, right? 😎
Good video. I remember owning a couple of those motherboards. They weren't great for overclocking. Running at 3.5ghz should be an easy overclock to do even with some cheap G31 motherboards. I ran a QX9650 with a $40 air cooler at 4ghz 24/7 on a $50 motherboard.
Great video and lovely card. I'm not a fan of cropped diagrams as they make the differences between your results seem disproportionately bigger than they actually are, though. But great visuals, good music, an interesting theme and so cool that you got a hold of that waterblock!
All quite worth it of course. I have a 3850agp coupled with an Athlon 64 3200+, and both Doom3 and left4dead2 (offline) play quite well for what it is!
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds yes Corsair XMS Pro CM512-3200XLPRO DDR1 400MHz CL2-2-2-5 512MB X 4 in a Asus A8V Deluxe With The 4800+ x2 its a joy to watch the leds in my pride but heavy zalman z-machine gt1000
I have that mother board and 2 3850's. One of my 3850's is brand new in box with all original box and accessories. But a slower core 2 duo at 2.66 Ghz. Cool channel by the way. Hope to see some new content soon.
Absolutely LOVE that old school waterblock, I REALLY like the astetic from those days, expesully the all metal gpu waterblocks.... You should of ran to like hardware store and get a peice of flat copper, cut to size with shears and mounted vrm block to copper plate then place onto the vrm, kind of like "Watercool Heatkiller" universal vrm waterblock setup...
Speaking from personal experience the Zalman branded tubing will leach grey plasticizer into the loop and clog everything up. The leached plasticizer gets stained by coolant dyes which made people think the coolant was clogging and ruining their systems.
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Also it has a cold bug, If the temperature on ether probe falls below 18℃ then after some period of time the warning alarm will trigger. The only reasoning I can figure for this bug is that the unit isn't suited for freezing temperatures but they set the alarm at the wrong temperature and they failed to notice at the factory as the test enjoinment had good indoor heating.
Those asrock dual 4core are really annoying with overclocking above 266. Mine not even 1mhz more (but yours did post to windows at 280). Perhaps it needs some vmod to the NB. What bios are you using in it? Btw, great video&channel.
Great video, thanks a lot for your passion, it's the same as mine. Please can you tell me what copper chipset cooler are you using? It's beautiful and I would like to have one for my Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA!
Thank you 😊 I bought that chipset cooler on aliexpress . And also that blue led fan ( not moving allot of air though)... I'm sure you will find it if you search for it 😉
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Its a loong time. What i remember i changed some numbers in video card bios, but it didnt changed anything. 796mhz on core was max stable overclock:) sorry i dont remember the program. its like 8 years,, :))
Sapphire made the same model of 3850 with 1 gig (8 chips also, 128 x8 instead of 64 x8) for pcie, is the memory upgradeable from 512 to 1gb on this gpu? nowadays is very common the vram upgrade stuff (rx570 4gb > 8gb, rtx 2060 6gb > 12gb even rtx 3070 models), it would be great because we could reduce the stuttering in some benchmarks and games caused by the lack of vram.
Just under a decade ago. I left my overclocked P4 and AGP 3850 in the menus of Diablo III while getting some food. Came back and the Psu had popped, what a saddening smell. Killed my GPU when it went but the rest survived.
@@youtubeisgarbage900 The E500 is a rebranded Focus Plus Gold. Ironically the FPG in my old system basically went poof and died. Got my money back and bought a FD Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W instead.
Gta v runs (only first mission runs fine 40-60 fps mid settings 720p) but is heavily struggled for the lack of ram, you need a pcie SSD x4 card (only up to 2.0 version, further 2.1 or 3.0 doesn’t work) like revodrive or old plextor m6e to compensate in some manner
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds hoh kut nu heb ik er ook een :^) geen idee wat ik ermee zou moeten doen maar hij was goedkoop. die Pentium M waterkoelen en kijken of hij 3 GHz kan aantikken? :P
never realized that there were such nice waterblocks from that time period, guess i never really did looked into watercooling very seriously at that time period. also sucks that the secondary cooling block was a bust
You should redo this but with liquid metal thermal compound. Apparently it can make a BIG difference in temps, in laptops supposedly reducing temps by 20°C!
this card saved me back in the day, having been stuck with an AGP Mobo. Put it on storage a long time ago. Wante to use it so took it out. Would not work.
Hello my hd 3850 agp run 837mhz core clock and 1044mhz vram on air cooler (hd4000 séries cooling system) with athlon X2 6000+ 3.30ghz and MSI motherboard
Hi mate, ur mobo have some vid mod or something else? Or just changing multiplier in bios is stable at that default voltage? I’m asking because 4coredual-sata2 is not oc friendly and you can’t touch core voltage.
Hey, no mods on the moederbord. I just used the bus speed and multiplier to overclock. Yeah not the best board for overclocking indeed a core2duo... buy verry fast for agp cards 😉
Hello, I have the same setup but wit an X6800 Core 2 instead of the Intel Core 2 extreme QX9650. I always thaught that the max I can put on this motherboard is QX6800 because of bios. How did you put QX9650 ? and will a q9650 work with it? Thanks
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds yes better passive cooling then the stock gpu fan! Combine this with a Turbo module (double fan addon) and you will see even lower temps I think 20-25c difference over the stock fan
@alessandrobozzo8440 True but in most cases the 3850 still wins because the wider memory bus. But I don't own a 4670 agp, so unfortunately I can't test myself 😉
I don't like these, they are too new, fx series and 9000 series I consider to be end of the line for AGP. I really don't like pcie to agp bridge chips. Also not work on win98 :( bad. that's cool overclock though! well done.
Very well done video.
So, we ask ourselves if ~5 FPS increase with the water cooling over stock air is worth it? Of course not!
But, that's not why we do these things, right? 😎
thx ! exactly we do this because we can :-) in doom 3 i did get 22 more FPS !!!! ( justifying spending money on the water block here 🙂)
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds
Instead of using multisampling use predication SMAA.
Wow those Zalman watercoolers must be quite rare to find for those cards! Looks so cool when it's all setup
Yeah you don't see them often. I found it on ebay
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Would have been hard to find. Beats having a really loud little fan haha I've got a few nvidia cards and they're really loud
Good video. I remember owning a couple of those motherboards. They weren't great for overclocking. Running at 3.5ghz should be an easy overclock to do even with some cheap G31 motherboards.
I ran a QX9650 with a $40 air cooler at 4ghz 24/7 on a $50 motherboard.
Maybe the bare VRM is pooping itself causing CPU instability?
@@puciohenzap891 A large top down cooler or even an updraught cooler might be better for VRM temps on that board.
Great video and lovely card. I'm not a fan of cropped diagrams as they make the differences between your results seem disproportionately bigger than they actually are, though. But great visuals, good music, an interesting theme and so cool that you got a hold of that waterblock!
Thanks 😊 found the water block on ebay.
This was such an interesting video. Great editing and style
Thank you 😊
Hey man great video and content as always! I just have to ask where you find waterblocks and such for older components like these?
Thank you! I found this one on ebay actually
All quite worth it of course. I have a 3850agp coupled with an Athlon 64 3200+, and both Doom3 and left4dead2 (offline) play quite well for what it is!
I still need to give left4dead2 a try someday
What a beautiful setup! great experiment to try :)
Thanks 😊
I have one of these cards in my retro pc a 4800+ with the funky corsair led memory, I love this system
Xms pro ?
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds yes Corsair XMS Pro CM512-3200XLPRO DDR1 400MHz CL2-2-2-5 512MB X 4 in a Asus A8V Deluxe With The 4800+ x2 its a joy to watch the leds in my pride but heavy zalman z-machine gt1000
@@napalmarsch nice, I have a bunch of those as well, beautiful case
I have that mother board and 2 3850's. One of my 3850's is brand new in box with all original box and accessories. But a slower core 2 duo at 2.66 Ghz. Cool channel by the way. Hope to see some new content soon.
Thanks man, currently no time to create a new video. But I hope to do this again in the future 😁
Absolutely LOVE that old school waterblock, I REALLY like the astetic from those days, expesully the all metal gpu waterblocks.... You should of ran to like hardware store and get a peice of flat copper, cut to size with shears and mounted vrm block to copper plate then place onto the vrm, kind of like "Watercool Heatkiller" universal vrm waterblock setup...
Nice build man! You should put a Fan in HD3850 VRM, because they can really hot.
Thx ! Yes I had a fan in front of it during benching 😀
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Nice! That is pretty good!
they same problem with X1950GT AGP
Speaking from personal experience the Zalman branded tubing will leach grey plasticizer into the loop and clog everything up.
The leached plasticizer gets stained by coolant dyes which made people think the coolant was clogging and ruining their systems.
Yeah I might need new tubing if I want to use it long term
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Also it has a cold bug, If the temperature on ether probe falls below 18℃ then after some period of time the warning alarm will trigger.
The only reasoning I can figure for this bug is that the unit isn't suited for freezing temperatures but they set the alarm at the wrong temperature and they failed to notice at the factory as the test enjoinment had good indoor heating.
@@metaleater9 hmm Intresting
It's all a bit of fun! :D Did you try fitting a heat sink to the bridge chip on the back of the card? They get pretty hot!
i did not, that pad is just a bit higher then the chip... instead i always had a fan blowing on the back ( and front for the vrm's )
Those asrock dual 4core are really annoying with overclocking above 266. Mine not even 1mhz more (but yours did post to windows at 280). Perhaps it needs some vmod to the NB. What bios are you using in it?
Btw, great video&channel.
Thanks ! Yeah not super stable when overclocked indeed. I think it was version 2.0.0
Great video, thanks a lot for your passion, it's the same as mine. Please can you tell me what copper chipset cooler are you using? It's beautiful and I would like to have one for my Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA!
Thank you 😊 I bought that chipset cooler on aliexpress . And also that blue led fan ( not moving allot of air though)... I'm sure you will find it if you search for it 😉
Nice video. I had that card and with accelero i was able to overclock to 796/1800.
Nice! good overclock. Maybe the voltage is holding back the overclock
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Yeah but i tried bios moding on voltage settings and it didnt changed:)
@@trongetsoutofsystem3099 where you able to change it . I looked at it and could only bump it up by 0.04 volts. I didn't do that eventually
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Its a loong time. What i remember i changed some numbers in video card bios, but it didnt changed anything. 796mhz on core was max stable overclock:) sorry i dont remember the program. its like 8 years,, :))
Sapphire made the same model of 3850 with 1 gig (8 chips also, 128 x8 instead of 64 x8) for pcie, is the memory upgradeable from 512 to 1gb on this gpu? nowadays is very common the vram upgrade stuff (rx570 4gb > 8gb, rtx 2060 6gb > 12gb even rtx 3070 models), it would be great because we could reduce the stuttering in some benchmarks and games caused by the lack of vram.
Very cool!
thx ! 😀
Just under a decade ago. I left my overclocked P4 and AGP 3850 in the menus of Diablo III while getting some food. Came back and the Psu had popped, what a saddening smell. Killed my GPU when it went but the rest survived.
Sorry the hear that you lost your 3850
@@youtubeisgarbage900 Exactly the reason I use a NZXT E500 in my Pentium 4 rig.
Or a Corsair HX1200 to test stuff.
@@youtubeisgarbage900 The E500 is a rebranded Focus Plus Gold. Ironically the FPG in my old system basically went poof and died.
Got my money back and bought a FD Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W instead.
This setup would be suitable for games and benchmarks tiers beyond Doom3 and Crysis. I'd love to see it running GTA5 and other semi-modern titles.
I'm sure I could. Need to get myself some games to try it out!
Gta v runs (only first mission runs fine 40-60 fps mid settings 720p) but is heavily struggled for the lack of ram, you need a pcie SSD x4 card (only up to 2.0 version, further 2.1 or 3.0 doesn’t work) like revodrive or old plextor m6e to compensate in some manner
waar heb je die Reserator XT vandaan, pokkedingen willen ze woekerprijzen voor :(
ooit gekocht nieuw in de doos via ebay, ik heb ook een zwarte maar die is nogal vies vanbinnen 😞
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds tsja, mixed metals met die rotzooi van zalman die ze "koelvloeistof" noemen helpt ook niet :P
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds hoh kut nu heb ik er ook een :^) geen idee wat ik ermee zou moeten doen maar hij was goedkoop. die Pentium M waterkoelen en kijken of hij 3 GHz kan aantikken? :P
@@Wasmachineman haha nice ! Ik hoor wel dat we best andere tubes kopen
never realized that there were such nice waterblocks from that time period, guess i never really did looked into watercooling very seriously at that time period. also sucks that the secondary cooling block was a bust
What about 3D Mark 2005 score? I remember 3D05 score for a lot of HW combinations.
Didn't test 3d mark 2005 for that setup
You should redo this but with liquid metal thermal compound.
Apparently it can make a BIG difference in temps, in laptops supposedly reducing temps by 20°C!
Liquid metal "eats" aluminium.. so that would be a bad idea 🤪
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds That makes sense. Perhaps with a copper heatsink and water block it would work better.
@@fungo6631 best would be nickel-plated copper 😁
this card saved me back in the day, having been stuck with an AGP Mobo. Put it on storage a long time ago. Wante to use it so took it out. Would not work.
it wont get better then the 3850 on AGP ;-)
my powercolor also died out in storage. Maybe caps or reflow
Hello my hd 3850 agp run 837mhz core clock and 1044mhz vram on air cooler (hd4000 séries cooling system) with athlon X2 6000+ 3.30ghz and MSI motherboard
I have HIS 3870 AGP sadly the fan die and HIS fan a hard to buy replacement. So into my VGA collection shelf.
@ccleorina oh that is sad. You mean a 3850 agp ?
Hi mate, ur mobo have some vid mod or something else? Or just changing multiplier in bios is stable at that default voltage? I’m asking because 4coredual-sata2 is not oc friendly and you can’t touch core voltage.
Hey, no mods on the moederbord. I just used the bus speed and multiplier to overclock. Yeah not the best board for overclocking indeed a core2duo... buy verry fast for agp cards 😉
Hello, I have the same setup but wit an X6800 Core 2 instead of the Intel Core 2 extreme QX9650. I always thaught that the max I can put on this motherboard is QX6800 because of bios. How did you put QX9650 ? and will a q9650 work with it? Thanks
Hi, I didn't do anything special to make the cpu work in this board
hd4650 ?!
i have two of this cards😅
nice ! good to have around :-)
This gpu and hardware is already nearly 15 years old :(
Yep this is what I do , mess around with old hardware 😉
I placed a Arctic Accelero on my AGP 3850 😁
They are realy good!
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds yes better passive cooling then the stock gpu fan! Combine this with a Turbo module (double fan addon) and you will see even lower temps I think 20-25c difference over the stock fan
The fastest is the 3870
3870 agp was never release unfortunaly 😉
Are you kidding?🤣🤣🤣
My bad, I was intending the 4670,with 1gb of ram on agp slot
You could try with that, that is the official last agp grafichs card
@alessandrobozzo8440 True but in most cases the 3850 still wins because the wider memory bus. But I don't own a 4670 agp, so unfortunately I can't test myself 😉
I don't like these, they are too new, fx series and 9000 series I consider to be end of the line for AGP. I really don't like pcie to agp bridge chips. Also not work on win98 :( bad.
that's cool overclock though! well done.