Why Are Schools Still So Segregated?
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Schools have become more and more segregated over the last 30 years. Why?
America’s school-age population is more racially diverse than it’s ever been before. Yet schools have become more and more segregated over the last 30 years. So what’s the deal? Wasn’t that all resolved back in 1954 when the Supreme Court prohibited school segregation?
**How segregated are K-12 public schools nowadays?
According to a study by UCLA’s Civil Rights Project, the number of public schools across the country with an almost entirely minority student body has more than tripled over the last 25 years. Today, almost 1 in 5 public schools in the U.S. have just about no white students.
**Why are schools still so segregated?
A bunch of different factors. Beginning in the late 1960s, a lot of segregated in the South were forced, under federal court order, to integrate. And although a lot of white communities weren’t super happy about it, it worked. School integration steadily increased over the next two decades, reaching a highpoint in 1988. Since then, though, many schools and communities have rapidly re-segregated, largely the result of more districts being released from their court orders and ending certain integration programs like cross-district busing.
There were other factors, too, including a mass exodus of mostly white middle class communities that starting moving from urban areas to the suburbs, in large part because of the schools.
So, in other words, forced segregation is still against the law: schools can’t prevent students from attending based on their skin color. But, without being aggressively pushed to integrate, many communities are still self-segregating.
**Why does school segregation matter?
Segregated schools have been shown to have disproportionately negative impacts on minority populations, especially in low-income communities. These students often attend schools with fewer resources, less experienced teachers and lower academic achievement rates. And that can affect everything from a students’ chances of graduating high school and going on to college to the kind of job they get and the amount of money they earn over the course of their careers.
SOURCES:
School segregation data: UCLA School Segregation Project
www.civilrightsproject.ucla.e...
Student racial demographic data: U.S. Dept. of Education
nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indi...
Study on the Benefits of Racial and Socioeconomic Diversity in Schools
school-diversity.org/pdf/Diver...
School segregation in eight charts: PBS Frontline
www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...
Study on reading proficiency in segregated schools: Frank Porter Graham Child Development Institute (FPG)
www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...
School segregation and racial academic achievement gaps: Stanford University
cepa.stanford.edu/sites/defau...
School district racial data: EdBuild
edbuild.org/content/fractured
Student racial demogrphics by county: Urban Institute www.urban.org/urban-wire/amer...
TEACHERS: Get your students in the discussion on KQED Learn, a safe place for middle and high school students to investigate controversial topics and share their voices. learn.kqed.org/topics/
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I'm homeschooled, so, I guess that means my school isn't diverse at all.
Good point!
I homeschool and my house is more diverse than most public schools so 🤷
@@eliza9011 Diversity of thought & opinion is most important of all.
Depends on your parents' ethnicity.
Lol. Funny comment
It's not something that needs to be fixed at schools, it's a community issue - provide opportunities for a diverse community, and the schools will become more diverse.
My school was integrated. And full of gangs. I couldn’t get to the second floor because the Haitian gang had taken it over and was jumping anyone who came through it to go to class. A lot of people nearly dropped out and failed out because of how vicious it was.
Wow! What a diverse experience. You're soooo lucky.
Did the administration not do anything?
Yea the point is that more diverse schools are schools that experience poverty, while majority white schools are in neighborhoods that traditionally don't
@@__orlando__ That's impossible to change because people with money will always move around each other
@@4TheFellas that's a defeatist attitude, why don't we start with paying people what they deserve
I would drive my kid 100 miles if it meant them going to the best school!
The point is that there are countless numbers of people that aren't even close to being able to waste gas or even have a car for that.
In my state, you can go to jail for doing that.
@Alana Moss what if the "best school" is one where your child will not be held to white beauty standards and will be shunned for expressed their ethnic background? Whites are big on conformity, and white schools are not always best in the long run for diverse students
No you wouldn’t
Would you?
I find it interesting so many people find it noble to not give other people a choice.
White is always right I guess for those kids' parents.
Very well stated. I'll bet you 10 to 1 Hunter Biden went to a white or almost all white private school. You know that's true.
I went to a ”diverse” middle school, and let me tell you I dont blame anyone for wanting their kids out of there.
That's kinda the point.
Wym I went to a school that was apparently diverse and it was fine
A more diverse school typically means a lower income school which is going to mean a school with more crime and bad kids. Those are just simply facts. And most of us parents strive to put our kids in schools that aren't like that
@@4TheFellas they aren’t “bad kids” though. They may lash out and get involved with crime because life is rough, but that doesn’t make them “bad” kids. Saying that makes it sound like the people at low income schools are inherently “bad”, which is an untrue and harmful assumption. Even if you didn’t mean it that way.
@Casey S cry me a river
Did you ever go to one of these low income schools? They are stuffed full of artention starved kids, who do tons of bad stuff. just the facts
In 1970 I started 9th grade in a New Jersey high school that was barely half white and where cross-district busing was a thing, though I lived walking-distance away. This was when the Civil Rights movement and opposition to the Viet Nam war were both hot issues among youth. There was lots of tension, and a significant degree of social separation, but there was also a concerted effort to understand differences and explore ways to work together. The most popular classes and clubs centered on debate, or had strong debate-related components (including a particularly memorable US History class).
Of course, the main problem was that everyone picked on the 9th graders, with absolutely no regard for race or economic status. As a skinny white boy, this same pressure helped me bond with my classmates, regardless of our other differences. Well, except for gender: I still thought girls were weird.
In late January of that class-year my family moved to Michigan, to a suburb north of Detroit filled mainly with car company executives. My new school was a junior high school,. My first impression concerned how totally white my new school was, and how uniform the economic status. The total homogeneity was a stark contrast. I was also now in the most senior class in the school, rather than the most junior. I felt like I had simultaneously been demoted to junior high, and elevated to the senior class. Taken together, the net effect was I felt adrift, cut loose from many of the things that had helped form the complex environment at my prior school.
My main distinguishing feature was my rapid-fire New Jersey accent, which was gone in less than 3 months, hammered down like a nail. I became a white-bread boy in a white-bread world. While I liked my classmates well enough, their organization and social cliques seemed superficial and trivial, concerned with hyper-fine differences (e.g., making fun of redheads and the tall/short), rather than focusing on (and living) the local and national issues of the day. School sports mattered more than racism or the war.
Simply put, I became bored with it all and withdrew, keeping only a few geeks and nerds as friends (and not especially close friends). This was not good for me, and I eventually dropped out of high school halfway through my senior year. I left Michigan, got a job at minimum wage, went to night school to get my diploma, then in 1975 joined the US Navy to give me time to breathe and find myself before going to college.
The Navy was the return to diversity I craved. At the time, the Navy was dealing with the dual-crises of racism and drugs, and with rampant sexism and homophobia as problems that wouldn't be addressed until the 1980's. But within bootcamp, at the schools that followed, and in the fleet, I served with folks who believed in doing our jobs, doing them well, and doing them together. The unity and Esprit de Corps was intoxicating and inspiring.
After the Navy I worked my way through university, another diverse experience, but burdened with an extremely heavy academic load that left little time for social interaction. Still, it was a great environment, and I was able to get work on-campus to spend more time within that community.
After college I became a white male engineer working with teams of other white male engineers. The diversity wasn't zero, but it was close. I was singularly unsuccessful in getting my peers to understand the inherent value of workplace diversity, and to seek it as part of our staff growth and development. However, I have seen gradual change as time went on.
Now, later in my career (I'm 61 with over 30 years experience), I've been facing my own encounter with latent bigotry: Ageism. Engineering is viewed as a career for the young, with only a passing nod given to a few revered "gray beards". Engineers who have chosen not to make the transition to management (including myself) find it increasingly difficult to obtain career-track employment: My bosses would be 20-30 years younger than me, which is fine by me but seems to be uncomfortable for them, to the point of passing me over after excellent interviews.
It seems they also fear I'd soon retire or get sick or something, and not be worth investing in as a future resource. Which flies in the face of the simple fact that, statistically, engineers change jobs every 4 years. Plus, both sides of my family, for multiple generations back, were healthy and active into their 90's, and don't handle retirement at all well. I expect to work through my 70s and into my 80s, not because of economic need, but because I simply enjoy working.
Worse yet, I look and feel at least a decade younger than my chronological age. I'm lean and extremely fit (I'm a triathlete). I eliminated my gray hair by the simple expedient of shaving my head. Yet this doesn't help as much as I'd hoped: Once folks learn my age (generally when I pull out my reading glasses), their enthusiasm wanes. My only recent work has been within the stifling environment of defense contractors, where 70% of the job is paperwork rather than direct engineering. They are desperate to fill chairs due to rampant turnover, and can't afford to limit their selections for reasons unrelated to engineering, yielding an exceptionally diverse workplace.
However, engineering, my love and joy, my ideal career, has become far less fun. But I still have at least a decade of active work ahead of me, likely two.
What to do? I started looking at alternative career paths. My first thought was to become an independent contractor/consultant, but I found my massive engineering experience did not mean I had gained the skills needed to start and run a small business, especially concerning marketing, networking, contracts and similar vital details.
I then started looking at any and all other careers where my engineering experience would be valuable, even if I weren't being paid as an engineer. My first thought was to become researcher/investigator for a patent attorney, since I had helped on some patents for a prior employer, and enjoyed the experience (not the writing or filing of the patent, but gathering and organizing the evidence for and against it).
But late last October, a few days before Halloween, I got beaten over the head with an enormous Clue-by-Four: There is a huge and unmet demand for STEM teachers, particularly those with relevant degrees and industry experience. I started talking with folks, and the enthusiasm I've received has been both unexpected and overwhelming.
I'm going to become a STEM teacher! Despite not having a teaching credential, I will have my own classroom this year, possibly within weeks, and certainly by the Fall. I've also chosen to target "under-resourced" schools, which also happen to be the most diverse.
I feel I'm coming back full-circle to my exciting 9th grade context, this time in the role of someone expected to make a difference.
(Edit: Clean up phrasing and word choices.)
And sounds like you're a good person to encourage those less represented in STEM to get in there and learn.
Thanks for sharing your story, Bob! And good luck with teaching!
Amazing! All the best with your teaching career!!
Please teach STEM! My STEM teachers in school were frankly some of the best I've ever had, and spurred a life-long love of science. Now, why I went to art school is a different story... On the matter of school segregation, I think it's really telling that I bet I know where in NJ you're from based on your story of grade school. I'm from the crappy south of the state, in a community built for the white workers of the casino industry, built far enough away to keep us away from those 'dirty brown people.' (yes, we were below the mason-dixon line too!) Though my school education was great there, I feel so deprived from being locked in that ivory tower, meant to stay unaware of the amazing diversity around me. Please take all of your experience, understanding and knowledge into today's classrooms. You'll be doing the next generation a huge favor!
My STEM teachers were some of my favorite. I hope it goes well at your school, and that you can inspire some young minds like I was inspired.
"pretty much no negative impacts" on white children is a helluva statement. They should be able to say there was no negative impact or what the minimal negative impact was, unequivocally. Many black scholars will say what the negative impacts of desegregation were for black people even as they judge it beneficial overall.
I am Black and attended majority Black public schools in Gary, Indiana. It was super de facto segregated when I attended in the 1980s thru the 1990s. Even though my hometown has always been super liberal and has never EVER had a Republican in office in it's entire 113 year history there was a lot of racism and "White" flight in the city. When my parents moved there in the 1970s, Black people could only buy homes in certain parts of the city. The community we moved into was majority White. In a 5 year time span after we moved there, most of the White people sold their homes and moved to the suburbs. They even convinced the mayor of Gary to allow the new White suburbs to break off from the city of Gary and they formed their own township. The Gary public schools went from being among the top ranked schools in the country to among the worst by the 1980s and that is still the case today. It's a complex and troubling problem.
Why did the schools become among the worst just because White people left? What makes Black people think that they have a God-given right to access White people? I really, really don't understand it. No, most of us don't hate Black people or dislike Black people - it's that we're stranded in this 'new' land - stranded and severed from history and our cultural heritage, and we want to make common cause with people who share our common heritage, culture, history that goes back thousands and thousands and thousands of years. We wish the same for you. Go build a nice Black community somewhere. I promise, I won't assert I have any rights to it at all just because.
Admitting that schools got worse when whites left is not somethings I'd willing be doing if I were black.
If you dont have to go to a heavily integrated school why would you want to?
Really! Kids in "non-diverse" schools don't really know how well they have it. They really don't.
I know in New York there is a "No child left behind" act which allows the parents to choose which school their child goes to as long as the school isn't more then 15 miles from the students residence.
There is much more to this than just schools. I started noticed when I was younger with Halloween "let's go to this neighborhood because they give better candy and the area is nice" I thought why? Why can't we have that in the area we live at now. Another as an adult was target store "let's go to the target in this area they have better things and is better". I asked and was told it's cleaner....what ever that means but I notice at the local target people are to lazy to even walk their cart into the cart area. Idk those people of Walmart videos are the most unbiased ones their from every walks of life not giving a crap. It's just people.
thats because the nicer neighborhoods have better people living there. the thing that makes a neighborhood bad is the people living in it.
Even "diverse" schools are segregated, look at who is in the AP classes and who is mainly in the regular classes. If you been in these classes you know what I'm talking about. And yes, I'm a breaking brown member
Very good point. We talked about that a lot while researching this video. There is unfortunately not much data out there about segregation within supposedly integrated schools, despite how prevalent that is. Thanks for calling attention to what a lot of us know is true -- opportunities and access are far from equal, even in the most diverse schools.
Jack Aurier they don't stick to "easy" classes.
Is that what he said? @@AboveTheNoise , you are inferring Erik Killmonger asserted 'opportunities and access are far from equal.' Exactly why can't children achieve what they're going to achieve without access to Whites? What Erik wrote was that you can look at who is in the AP classes and who is mainly in the regular classes. How do you infer that because a certain demographic is typically missing from AP classes, that the reason has to do with not sharing in the exact same opportunity to get good grades, do your homework, and enroll in these classes along with the students who did that and are in fact in those classes?
So, those AP classes need to let in students because of their color or because of how they perform? Lol.
My son was seen as aggressive after a fellow student called him the n word and my son hit him since then he was sent outside his class 80% of the day then I was told he would be at the level of the other kids in class I pulled him and put him in online homeschool and he was advance in math and reading
People self segregate. It's that simple. The Supreme Court made the right call about laws and segregation. The government however messed up with bussing. You can't force people to get along. It has to happen naturally.
There is more to this than just an issue of segregation; there is also a disparity in wealth. Long story short, school districts often rely on property taxes to run and the exodus of the white middle-class (who had money) caused a decrease in property values. Hence urban schools got less money to work with.
Personally, my parents were probably among the "white-flight" and I recall my elementary, middle, and high schools were not especially diverse. However, things got more diverse over time especially after MasterCard plopped their HQ in town.
Holy crap this was one of the least biased videos i've ever seen on school integration. I just received information, granted it was information i already knew, but it was pretty plainly doled out in nice little nuggets. She included the communities contentions with busing and the controversy of forced integration across the nation. Well done Above the Noise!
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White people like living next to white people, black people like to live next to black people and Asians like to live next to Asians... It's completely natural human response. It makes people feel more comfortable. Black people might feel uncomfortable in white/Asian majority areas same with white people... People like living next to their own race, we have the right to live wherever we want
@@AboveTheNoise you and i and everybody else know your videos are very bias and that's why your surprised.
. . . presently, The New Fairmont Heights High School that cost over $80 million, is 1 of 27 high schools in Maryland. Salaries are 40% above national average. The total “Minority Enrollment” is 100 percent. The total enrollment is only 665 students, and the total economically disadvantaged (% of total) is 65%.
Diversity leads to adversity
Conflict avoidance leads to stagnation
We shouldn't force diversity for diversity sake. I think that this is why we need to have School Choice and kids 'education money" will follow them where ever they decide to go. This way if school demographics don't change, then that is because the parents chose to keep their kids in certain schools.
b1ffdanger it's not diversity for diversity sake. In the video it talks about how it benefits white and non-white students to be more prepared for the real world and to open their mind.
@@blooberri666 because white men build their own things stop depending on whites
yep and should go with our immigration policy too.
@@goddessoflove4ever it doesnt benefit whites it makes the school quality drop dramatically.
@@tana9688 agree
I grew up in white bread, podunk New Jersey. I didn't see a black person until I was 8. Then I started visiting my dad's work in Atlantic City... and everything I'd been taught about equality fractured. I'm lucky that my parents really did well in keeping what prejudices they might have had from me, and were honest when I asked why the black community was so separate and in such a dire state, why no one cleaned up the anti-semitic graffiti, and why the buses full of rich white people delivered them directly indoors at the casinos. THAT was an education that shocked and shaped my world forever. My husband, who grew up in several non-whitey-mcwhitepants areas, has a MUCH easier time integrating with diverse groups, and I really envy him that. I have a much more difficult time understanding regional and foreign accents, and such a lack of exposure to different culture that I fumble in diverse company. What a gift diversity is for growing minds.
Thanks for sharing this reflection about your own experience. Really interesting insight!
"..school segregation used to be a problem...then we took care of it..." We were forced by the state to integrate at the point of a gun.
The middle and working class in America were forced to integrate. The wealthy had already sent their kids to exclusive private schools and the near wealthy were able to follow suite easily. It is the middle class that had to sacrifice a significant portion of their household income to send their kids to private schools or move to more expensive neighborhoods and it was the working class that either had to suffer in the failing schools or sacrifice a dual income by one parent staying home to home school rather than getting a job.
Racists love playing the victim 😭
@Ryan Draa 😆 maybe you have a family (hopefully not lol) either you look to move to a "good part of town" OR maybe you're so sick that you think you and your family being a exploited is just you doing your part for the "greater good". I hope it's the latter 😂 and I hope you sacrifice everything for this antii-white bs only to find that THEY don't give a shit.
@@eleventhhour5270 just say you’re racist u clearly think that black ppl don’t deserve quality education cause that was how the school system worked in segregation
@Raine Draa you might not agree with them but forcing someone by gun point is way worse than choosing not to live around someone. your the real problem, what if the government by gunpoint forced people out would excuse the government then? its natural to want to live around people who look like you.
They cannot force parents to send their kids to public schools. Unless they outlaw private and religious schools. I would not put it past the US government doing just that.
Well, the current administration's Dept of Education is a big supporter of private and religious schools, so no immediate threat there: www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/us/politics/betsy-devos-private-schools-choice.html
Most, if not all, wealthy liberals send their kids to private schools despite their very public and vocal 'support' for diversity. Even under a democratic administration this is not likely to happen.
How are the teachers less experienced in minority majority schools? That would indicate that these the teachers of these schools are departing far more frequently than their counter parts in majority white schools.
Wealth is segregated
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i think i commented on a video asking about this! but you already had it!! thats great!!!!
Its bad
glad this channel is still posting
Why, thanks! We're glad you're still watching!
White Brazilian in a mostly black city/ school.. dropped out of college to pay bills ... restaurant and Uber driver today
And?
3:30 Did anyone else notice that those states are like 100% democrat.
Ever hear the term 'limousine Liberals'? Ever notice how firearm prohibition celebrities always live in gated communities with armed private security force and have personal armed body guards ever where they go? Therefore should it surprise you that failed social policies predominate in democratic states.
Surprised?
Self-segregation is natural - and healthy.
And it's unhealthy in that you will be ignorant, more prejudiced and discriminatory.
J8270361507 It isn’t the government’s responsibility to stop it though, regardless of whether it’s good or bad
@J8270361507 No, Arctic is right. There is no benefit to diversity. Empirically, all diversity does is create a low trust society. For most of human history, people lived around people that looked and acted just like themselves. And their lives were not lacking in anyway because of it. Every society had their fair share of geniuses and simpletons. Having a homogenus society does not make one ignorant. In fact the countries with the highest IQs tend to be very homogenus, like Japan or Finland. And believe it or not, segregation doesn't make you more prejudiced or discriminatory, just the OPPOSITE in fact. In the US, the states that have the most white people tend to have more positive views of blacks, while places that are very mixed black and white (like the deep south) have more hate crimes and the whites tend to have much more negative opinions on blacks. Being forced to live around each other caused them to be MORE prejudiced and discriminatory.
@@Enumclaw That does not make sense to me. Can you explain? People who have never lived among others or even interact with others outside of their homogeneous society don't see always see others in a positive light and tend to easily form stereotypes about other groups of people, and have misjudgments. There's A LOT of racism towards minorities in homogeneous white societies (or any homogeneous society), where as in diverse societies, it's proven time and again that you are less discriminatory and racist. Also more open minded and judge others based on individuals on their actions, not on their race.
I want a safe school not a inclusive school
Diversity is overrated. Look at the Balkans, diversity at it's finest.
So the issue is that the areas are not diverse, not really anything to do with schools?
Very good episode! Good work!
Great! Thanks for watching!
I’m glad my school isn’t bad, some kids there are shitty. But it’s only a few out of 2,000 middle schoolers.
The teachers respect all the races and everybody gets treated fairly
I would recommend black folk to home school, but then folks will try to tell us that their education is lower quality. and might not let us go to college.
If your local school is a failure with low performance and violence then I would recommend home schooling as well but it is not an option in single parent homes or those who need a double working class income to make ends meat. Home work can still be done at home and discipline/ self respect/ respect for others (who deserve it) still goes a long way.
I don't think that's how the home schooling system works. I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure collages and whatnot don't even really look at the work and base it off of how you score on the GED
Thank you for trying to explain - I REALLY want to know the situation!!! What it is like NOW. Everywhere I search I meet the same information - The history - how it is supposed to be - and so on. I want real figures and real people telling the real situation.
Here in Sweden we are getting more segregation - and it is important for me to find out and know the situation in U.S. Any americans "out there" to tell me more?
Open borders for Israel!
Doritos for incels!
Sad country sad world
dear god-whats with the dizzying bouncing school buses in the background?!
Bra... i was wondering why i don't see a lot of mix people in my school.
Maybe its because you said bra
This channel is awesome as always
Thanks for your kind words!
Whenever the subject involves people of West African descend the 'splainers come out!
I was born and raised in Maryland, and it might have been the town I lived in rather than the state as a whole; but the public school I attend from elementary to high school was extremely diverse. Looking through my old yearbooks I’d estimate it was about 40% white 30% black and probably about 20% Latino and maybe 10% Asian? I’m tempted to actually go through and count to give accurate statistics (stand by I just might) but I’d say that’s pretty close. That being said the school I went to prided itself on being the model school in the state (and ended up being one of the best public schools in the county). If you go to Baltimore it’s a different world entirely though, and not in a good way (when it comes to even diversity in school). Let me know if you want those actual statistics, I’m a math major so should be quick. (Also this is for years 2000-2012)
Edit: I was way off
60% white (+/- 5%)
30% black (+/- 5%)
10% Latino (+/- 5%)
10% Asian (+/- 5%)
So I only based it off a single graduating class which is why it’s +/- 5% (and why yes it doesn’t add up to 100%) but white students made up a little over half of our total graduating class.
Thanks for sharing this insight!
Thanks for sharing your school experience and stats. Interesting!
For a public school, 60% white is great. Anytime that percent falls below 50%, problems like discipline and test scores begin to decline rapidly. If you don't believe me, just check the numbers, math major.
The idea that a kid should go on a long bus ride for the sake of diversity is ridiculous!
orlendatube in my county I have to wake up at 4:00 in the morning to get on my bus at 5:00 to take a 2 HOUR bus ride. When my homeschool is literally a 15 minutes bus ride away! I absolutely hate it! I get taken to a school with mostly black students, where kids from the part of the town my school is in gets taken on a 2 hour to my homeschool where it is a mostly white school when they are black. It’s absolutely ridiculous!
The idea is that saving people a bus ride at the cost of segregated schools is ridiculous!
@@mandolinsam7901forcing kids to waste their childhood sitting on a bus just so that few people dont get triggered as much is ridicilous....you dumb schmuck
Busses burning gas, furthering climate Change for the Sake of diversity.
Can't make that shit up. Smh
Mu middle school was voted most diverse middle school in my state . Im proud to go their
You used their (referencing people) rather than there (referencing location). The latter was correct and does not speak well for the most diverse middle school in your state that you used the former.
It's their community they should govern as they please
I was disappointed when they started to discontinue our bussing program, the program was great at expanding my cultural insight and I truly think it was benificial for everyone
Thanks for sharing!
I was raised in (and now work in) a school district in the rural mid-west which has a non-white population under a few percent. Nonetheless, it's not been my experience that those minority students are discriminated against for their racial differences. There exist conflicting social cliques between the jocks, nerds, preps, etc, but not so much by race. Economic status is a far better indicator of who will end up in which cliques than race is from what I've seen.
I see merit to studying the benefits of racial diversity in school systems where it is practical, but in my opinion, our schools have bigger fish to fry.
Have you listened to the episode of Malcolm Gladwell's Revisionist History on Brown v Board of Education? Very interesting, not quite what we imagine it being. Many black teachers lost their jobs as an unintended result of it.
revisionisthistory.com/episodes/13-miss-buchanans-period-of-adjustment
Haven't heard this, but am really intrigued. I'll definitely add it to the podcast listen list. Thanks!
Busing poor (mostly black) kids from downtown to my suburban school did not help anyone...especially the minority kids from our school's suburban neighborhoods.
Whether for diversity of race or socio-economic background (both reasons are used in our district), busing does not help anyone.
Why did it not help them were they treated the same by students and staff
@@eliza9011 "You can take the people out of the hood, but you can't take the hood mentality out of the people" that's why busing doesn't work. The mentality that causes some students (of all races) to not do well in urban schools will just carry over to the suburban school setting, because of the environment they grew up in.
It would have been better to integrate the neighborhoods then to bus kids.
0:40 "Average white student goes to a school that is more than 70% white"
Great. What is supposed to be wrong with that
Something falling in line with the overall population distribution is not diverse enough.
What is wrong here is you.
I agree, if you want to scream Equally it’s easy to skew the data. Take a look at the geographical population disruption, it matches the percent of students. Just because it’s not 50/50 doesn’t mean it’s against equality.
What? .
BEN TEN TEN what?
Because parents know best
Well it's a microcosm of the country and I applaud it finally something they are doing right but it should be more on separation seperate rules and laws for two distinct and srperate people
The more diversity we get, the more we want to separate ourselves.
If you compare Society now to the Jim Crow South, I’m not sure this statement stands up
@@AboveTheNoise
School busing mainly went on in northern blue states and a small amount of southern blue cities.
School “integration” was mainly for the black folks already living amongst white folks but their kids had to be bused miles away from school. If you look at Brown vs Board of Education…a black family lived right by a school that their child couldn’t attend even though they were paying property taxes.
In 1969 Richard Nixon passed a law where kids had to go to school in their zip code or district regardless of race and that’s how the South was desegregated.
@MuffinMan2008 - That’s not necessarily true. You’ll find more integration in the South and more mixed race couples in the South because of a shared culture.
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source: just trust me bro
It's ALWAYS the same. ALWAYS.
When I was forced, it RUINED HALF MY CHILDHOOD. One year I missed over 100 days of school because I was getting messed with by blacks for just being white. So now what do I do? I stay way far away from ALL blacks. I don’t make eye contact coz when I was in school, the blacks would be like “What you lookin at?” No problem. I ain’t looking at you, talking to you. White flight? More like WHITE ROCKETSHIP. Thank you to all the blacks who were teens in the 80’s and were responsible. You made racial problems WAY worse. WAY WAY WORSE.
Nunyo Bidness you sound ignorant. You haven’t met every last black person on earth to say you want to avoid us all. We all unfortunately have to share this world with each other. I know sharing is a difficult concept for a lot of you white people to grasp, however there’s really no other choice. You think all of us like you? Your family is probably descended from people who may have owned my family or others like me and then you go on to have these self entitled pretentious attitudes but wonder why people dislike you guys. There’s always multiple sides to a story. Did it occur to you that subconsciously maybe you are the problem? How were you looking at them? Sorry if we’re a little sensitive but when you go through hundreds of years worth of slavery and of what my people went through then more of segregation and violence afterwards, you tend to view everything cautiously. Your people still kill us as cops, your people still march as KKK and it’s considered legal. Why is it that when we respond to the evil that your people put out that somehow we are the bad guys?
@@panaricanprincess846 black and white need to separate
A O no, intelligent and ignorant need to separate. I’m sure there won’t be much of either race left if that happened though.
@@panaricanprincess846 different cultures have different goals and norms. Blacks in America clearly does not enjoyed living amongst whites But at the same time want to be in white owned spaces so nothing wrong with having your own schools, hospitals, business etc. Its better.
@@tana9688 I feel sorry for you 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
It's only neighborhood segregation now and the freeways serve as the borders.
In-group preference
Demographics change from decade to decade.
The statement at 2:17 is an out and out lie.
Some random dude: Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.
Me *smacks forehead* 🤦
Self segregation is happening right now. You may want to slam yourself in the forehead 20 more times. We have freedom of association you can't force people to be together if they don't want to.
@@oliveraparicio8464 the problem isn’t segregation but it’s more of the unequal education if it were both quality then no one would complain
Because people like to live around people like them. Did you expect every school in America to be 82% Caucasian (white/Hispanic/MENA) 13% African American, 5% Asian (Native American is included in Caucasian or Asian)
my school is not very diverse, like 3 latinos and 4 blacks and then everyone else is white. even in the high school
One sentence: 'Shutup and Study.'
I’m in southern Indiana and there’s like literally 3 black students in my entire school of like 1,000
What is your overall community like when it comes to the demographics? Does your school reflect your community?
@@AboveTheNoise I go to a predominantly white and Asian school, and I like those demographics a lot. All of the students are smart and none of them are low income. I am strongly against integrating minority students into schools because that would bring bad students into good schools like mine and drastically lower the school quality.
an idea so great that it was forced on us at gunpoint
School populations are representative of their communities. Communities are separated by economic pressures. Economic disparity is credited to schooling inequality... $#'"!
Pretty cyclical.
Yeah. Is a bit bleak. Sorry for that
WHAT ABOUT ASIANS?
Ryan Li good question - and we did think about that. In the end we decided to focus on the most traditionally segregated school demographics - but it would be another interesting topic to look at other groups.
I wonder if Whites truly reach a minority in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and in their homelands of Europe - I wonder if crappy shows like Above The Noise will report on the minority of White people, and how they are still not allowed to have their own schools - how they are still privileged despite the funding gaps showing otherwise - the systemic racism that is still keeping the Blacks and Hispanics down yadda yadda.... do you think? *I don't either.
Because Asians do not fit this politically correct narrative. They work hard at everything in life to include school. They are the most likely minority to have two parents in the household, to avoid incarceration, get a job, get married before having children, and they STUDY in school. Affirmative action actually works against them for their hard work.
As long as there will be standardized tests, segregation makes sense. I would rather you impose your religious views on me, than your philosophy of mind.
I feel like you didnt really go into why schools with more black students are doing worse. to my knowledge schools get their income proportinal to the incom of the area around them, so when whites moved out to the suburbs they left the poor primarily minorities in downtown areas so the schools there get less funds as households around them make less money. In my town of Fresno CA there is a cclear divide between the rich side of town and the downtown poor area, the rich side of town was mostly white and the schools there were clearly better than the schools in the downtown area where primaraly blacks and latinos are. than in a town close by (Clovis) theres this stereotype that theyre a bunch of snobby rich kids
True, the video doesn't dig deep into the connections between poverty , race, and academic performance. That would require a few other videos! But in the meantime, here's a pretty good article that goes into more depth: daily.jstor.org/challenges-beyond-classroom-poverty-race-educational-achievement/
I go to a very diverse school and it’s alright… idk about you guys in the comments
George Wallace was right.. federal government should not have forced integration
I guess I can anedotally agree to this. I'm a 32 cis white male, my school was only ~40% white, now 15 or so years later its only 15% white so it's becoming more of a low income school, fairly mixed but mostly Spanish and black families *edit* my school is in a suburb on long island, only 30 miles or so from Queens and the greater NYC area
Interesting. Thanks for this example.
it's ok to smirk your 32 still in school?
Hispanic *
Doesn't it go by geography, what children go to what schools? Not the color of their skin?? Couldn't the parents work to get to a better area with better schools? If I was living in an area that had such horrible education and it would negatively affect my children for generations, I would work my ass off and move up in the world and move to a better place, where they could succeed!!!
This is America where we have freedom of choice . Socio economic segregation works for me . You get to where your at by the choices you make in life .
America's freedom gives a chance to those who are hardworking the ability to excel and succeed.
Sadly, that same freedom also caters to criminals, punk, thugs, etc, to do whatever they want and however they want with impunity.
This country has lost her discipline and too many simply do not respect common sense rules (don't steal, cheat, hurt, etc). The way police have been vilified doesn't help either. People who want to succeed have very little help.
My school wasn’t diverse at all, and I’m so thankful my parents had the agency to not subject me to DPS zoo conditions.
It’s liberal laws that prevent this
My school's segregation is gender based
It would appear that all of this diversity training is making things worse... I could've swore I've heard this argument before.
We prefer it that way. Take a look at test results across races at any school with a 'diverse' student body-- 'diverse' being key for not native European and diverse, but many different races diverse. You'll find a couple of things in virtually every case that the White students scores are there, and often the Hispanics as well, but the Blacks are often hidden. Why? You'll also find out that the White scores are best (after East Asian among most subjects), Hispanics are next, then Blacks. Why? *The truth is, White students are subsidizing other students. Catering the class toward the lowest common denominator is a real problem - for parents, students, and teachers. Don't Blacks and Hispanics want to attend school with each other anyway? Why is this bad, exactly?
Sea_ Nettles that’s the most ignorant statement I’ve ever read.
Buh buh buh muh raycism.
There's only one black person in my school... :/
In Madison, WI my kids had a school near by but it was only k-2. They bussed across town to the 3-5th grade school. The schools were broken up this way to make a larger, more diverse district. It mixed the poor, south side kids with the wealthy professors kids. It worked ok i guess.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Instead of black life matter , i would say education matter.
Just have seperate schools for blacks, mexicans, all from africa, the middle east and mexico/latin America. Keep them all in their own section in each city.
What about Asians?
I don't think school or so much segregated persay. Old white neighborhood become black neighborhoods
“ Nowadays it’s about choice, and the government shouldn’t be in the business of making kids schlep across town just for the sake of diversity....” “School choice” or providing the option to go to those schools is making parents force their children schlep across town with no benefit.... part of the reason white schools self segregate is primarily because low income individuals have some unsavory habits that their children have a disproportionate ability to pick up on, and disrupt school classes, as well as influence white children by hanging out with them, not to mention excepting them comes with a very high price tag for getting rid of them (dealing with federal agencies that would sue on behalf of supposedly discriminatory practices), so it’s best not to let them in the schools as well unless their parents are of reputable stature, although I think they would let anyone in provided they signed some paperwork dismissing almost all the ability of federal institutions to intervene in the case of dismissal from enrollment in that particular school.
I love Californian mental gymnastics to defend their way of life, what is dislikable is their denial and lack of effort in actually locating the specific causes of unflattering occurrences... A very counterproductive attribute.
Because black parents and white patents raise their children differently
I don't think its segregation, but more of money vs having no money. Having rich white kids go to school with poor black kids will never work.
What does that say about our country overall, then? Curious to hear what you think about rising income inequality.
Rich white kids why does it matter about color god u people are fucking delusional
Segregation is good
That why we need school choice!
All I hear on the train when the kids get out of school is "nigga" this and "nigga" that. Along with generally unacceptable social behavior like running around the train and yelling.
thank you Obama once again you created change
Segregation is a GREAT thing because if different races don't want to be around each other and you force them to be it will cause serious racial tension. Which is counter productive to what this video claims it wants to accomplish. Most races are a whole lot more comfortable being among their own race and if the USA 🇺🇸 is still the land of the free then let the people of all races make their own choices of where they want to live or send their children to attend school. Truly intellectual children will learn and excel and those who are not will fail that's freedom of choice.
When races dont want to be around each other thats already a problem... And when children are conditioned being around a certain group of people they become racist because thats how they were raised and get conflicted against other races
@Axe Man The solution to races not wanting to be around each other is not to force them to be around 1 another; that's a horrible idea. Most people don't want to be around murderers so what we should force people than to be around murderers that why they won't discriminate against murderers? Forcing people who don't want to be around each other is going to just build racial tension, which is why in America, there is always racial tension that builds and explodes in violence in the USA 🇺🇸! The solution is optional division to avoid these situations. If people of different races want to be around other races, then let them this way resentment doesn't exist because the individual was given the choice or made the choice to be around other races, this makes things be more peaceful for all races.
@@shittalker7533 Sir you really didn't just compare murders to normal humans who dont harm anyone but imma stop because your username is literally shit talker 💀
Your racist that's all
Except blacks they be killing each other in hoods
how about immigrants :D
... woe , Souther Schools didn't desegregate until the 80's --__-- WTH Gargamel ??
I think you mean 'whoa'.
They are not.
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I'm pro segregation, and I think it needs to be reintroduced in many areas. As a black man I want to see black colleges, and black towns. We need to try to rebuild our culture. This is already the case in a lot of places, so stop trying to force your views on people.