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As a former Pararescueman (PJ) the first thing I tell aspiring PJ's or anyone wishing to be in our SF community is, "What are you willing to sacrifice for the mission ?" Your willingness to sacrifice yourself for the mission MUST outweigh any thought of glory or status within the SF community and in the eyes of your countrymen. So think about it. What are you willing to sacrifice in any endeavor, not just in the military. But for your family, friends and in your work ?
I’m leaving in December for bmt aspiring to be a PJ after that 2 year pipeline thanks for the service 🙏 PJ are the guardian angels of the field much respect to you sir.
As a former member of a 10th SFG ODA (late 60s) I always considered SEALs to be more physically fit. They were the brawn response, performing the arduous missions themselves. SF on the other hand needed more mental fitness to survive behind enemy lines and to teach others to succeed in the battle space. Still, when I got transferred to an infantry line unit, I was known for having the heaviest ruck and needing the least amount of sleep.
Everybody seems too make this a competition……. Both serve very different roles. That’s like trying too compare wether the Army is better(in a battle sense) than the Airforce or vice versa. Both are equally important and both play and important role, and without one or the other there’s problems. Seals and Special forces are BOTH incredible groups of people. BOTH being extremely skilled. And regardless of which you choose , you have my salute 🫡
The second time I went to SF selection (first time I was horrible with land navigation), much better the second time, but didn't take enough time to recover between each attempt and herniated some discs in my lower back. That was the end of my SF career lol . Bravo to all you who make it through, strong mind and body
Well if your familiar with SFAS it was during team week and we had to carry sandbags and other shit from location to location on top of our already packed rucksack. So by the time the 2nd or 3rd sandbag was place on top of my ruck, while carrying one sandbag in hand. Started walking down some slope and pop
@@cronoscoin417 damn... do u have any advice on how to avoid that like specific areas of the body to workout or stretch more? I have a compressed L4 in my lower back but its nothing serious I just do PT stretches every other day and im back to normal.
Everybody seems too make this a competition……. Both serve very different roles. That’s like trying too compare wether the Army is better(in a battle sense) than the Airforce or vice versa. Both are equally important and both play and important role, and without one or the other there’s problems. Seals and Special forces are BOTH incredible groups of people. BOTH being extremely skilled.
SF guys came to my unit and I was completely filled with nostalgia. After so much research, I became more and more interested in SF. Don’t get me wrong, SEALs are badasses, but after meeting some of the SF guys and the time I spent on research, I have to go with SF.
@@gabrielrae7647 Just one part, that you and I and the vast majority of people would never make it through....to pass BUD/S there is a very strong chance that you will drown....but they will resuscitate you and bring you back to life.
Im not a Special Operations Operative at all. However, I am a former Marine. Nothing but respect for all operators. I was fortunate enough to serve alongside some of America’s finest. These operators are not who you think. They are generous, caring, hard ass folks who are very dangerous but also very passionate about America’s defense. I salute you all.
On the 18x pipeline right now. Just gradated Infantry AIT and onto airborne in January focusing on push ups, sit ups, pull ups and maintaining my run time. It's a weird time for PT as they are actively transitioning to the ACFT standards but haven't quite made the change for SF yet so you really have to train for both tests. Thank you for all of the videos and information. A quote from you has always stuck in my head "I can tell you everything I know about SF training but if you really want to figure out what it's like then go do it"
This is a superb video. I had the distinct professional pleasure of having served with US Army SOF in a support role. My time with 7th SFG (A) was instrumental. I consider it the best time of my entire US Army journey. Completing SFAS in 1999 was a real beast. I had to attend twice. I was not able to complete the Q Course. The folks I met, and served with at the verious Groups were mostly top notch, highly trained, Elite Special Operators. I am very grateful for those days. Honor, Strength and Courage to all The Quiet Professionals !
Navy seal, If I was a US citizen, but since I am Canadian I am planning to join my country's SF. Ever since I found this channel it has given me so much insight about the world of SF and even in aspects of life itself. Thank you for the videos and cheers from your fellow brothers in arms of the north!
I once worked with a man who was a sergeant with Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Regiment. His father was also with PPCLI and Cdn. Airborne. He told me that the one thing he did not like about being in the Cdn. Army was that they specialised in Winter warfare. He was so turned off by Winter training that when he retired he spent six months in Mexico and Argentina.
I got kicked in the face when I was Opfor for those guys. They taught us what their dogs can do and left one of my guys wear the suit and get mauled. They were awesome dudes and I work with them against any day
I don’t know where you are from, but a militia is considered any abled body citizen of a certain age was considered part of the militia and part of the defense of the country. The militia was to be well trained and made ready by each state. And each citizen was to supply their own weapons. So according to the constitution, you would be a part of the military.
82d Abn Div here, I refused SF training because at the time, 5th Group was experiencing 80% casualties. One of the things they DON'T tell you is the attrition rate of spec ops people. And enlisted don't retire from SpecOps. When you get too old, they turn you into training cadre and you get paid through another unit. On the other hand, field commissions are frequent in SF. Also, the intelligence community uses SpecOps as its recruiting pool for field work. If a Green Beret were paid on the same scale as a fireman, based on risk, the country could not afford these men.
For those interested in just a tiny taste of SOF training...(all available on audible) The Warrior Elite, Killer Elite, The Killing School, SOG, The Red Circle: My Life in the Navy Seals Sniper Corps, Sua Sponte, Inside the Delta Force, No Hero, Trident, The Operator, The Finishing School, Chosen Soldier, Saving Bravo, 6 days of the impossible, Navy seals: their untold stories, The Guerrilla Factory,
Graduated in 86 with the dream of starting in the Marine Corps.....Upon passing the asvab with a great score I find out that having an artificial eye disqualified me from joining. Biggest disappointment of my life. With many..many sitdown talks with my mom and her convincing me that everything happens for a reason, I eventually got over the heavy void I carried around for not being able to join the armed forces. Anyway...I still enjoy watching what you guys do and I thank you greatly for your service. ❤
When I was in the Army National Guard as a Scout (Recon) with the Infantry that I was with,we would train with a National Guard Special Forces (yes, that does exist) on a regular basis. We all started out as 11B's or 11H's by the way.
Thank you Mr. Larson for correcting me regarding SF representing "only" the Army Special Forces. I'll be sure to be mindful of that in any future comments I make, including conversations I have with former Army retirees I served with in Vietnam who were members of Special Forces. I'm certain they will appreciate the distinction.
Love the video, thank you. I do want to suggest that SEALs will also go to SERE, Arctic Warfare training, HALO, etc. as well. We alsoi had SEALs at DLI learning various languages (mostly Russian and Spanish at the time), along with Green Berets. And SEAL medics will go to the SOCM course. The water is a big differentiator between SEALs and SOF, but the majority of SEAL operations over the past 20+ years seem to have been in the mountains of Afghanistan and in the urban areas of Iraq. I wonder how much different the mission sets between the different SOCOM commands actually are at this point.
Cheers……..after watching some other videos of dive training the sf guys do I don’t see much difference between the two. It seems because of training time the navy focuses on the maritime first while SF focuses is FID first and they both kinda ad to each troopers skill set
No matter which branches of U.S government, I would say thank you for your service❤ truly proud all of you. Thank you for keeping the United States stronger and stronger.
Had the honor to work with 5th G- SF,ODA. Combat divers as an interpreter. I can tell you they were way more professional than the seals that used to operate with us.
Ex SADF Captain, Fighting Group Juliet Special Forces. Lived and fought from Kuvalai, Angola, 180km north of the Namibian border in enemy territory. Wounded twice - RPD LMG and RPG shell burst. Happy to have served with my dedicated platoon.
What you said about what you want to do vs. what you want to be is spot on. I believe between the two I would want to do the mission of SF. I have had a long career in emergency response (firefighter paramedic) and it has been good to me. I could have entered law enforcement probably easier due to the demand but I pursued the other route because it is what I wanted to do. Good video!
If you want a little bit of detail about navy seal training I suggest checking out 3 of 7 project chad wright he’s a former seal and goes into detail about the training of navy seals
I would love to do what Navy Seals do because their training not only tests the limits to find out how far one can push themselves but it gives you an incredible disciplined mindset. It also shows the things they do are amazing, how strong willed they are especially in life or death or medical situations. They are even a constant reminder of how they are some of the toughest, quickest and baddest men on the planet. They are even a prime example of how you always find a way to stay in the fight and so much more.
Although I’ve never served and am older than the maximum age limit, I feel that I would better fit in with SF. I am particularly drawn towards the humanitarian aid aspect as well as working with allies in unconventional warfare.
I always thought I wanted to be in the military but as I grew older I realised the lifestyle would not fit me. I don't mind the physical fitness or danger, that's the part I know I would enjoy. The reason I decided against applying is 2 fold. I have an issue with stupid authority. While I don't mind smart leaders/managers I hate having to listen to orders from people that don't make sense and having spoken to a lot of serving members of the forces it was a common complaint among them. In civilian world i can and do challenge these but in a military you don't really get that opportunity. I am in fact very argumentative and have (even successfully) challenged decisions of people few steps up the corporate ladder. Secondly by joining the forces you give up a lot of your freedoms. You're restricted in where you can live, when you can go on holiday etc. Whereas as a civilian I can live just about anywhere I want and get a holiday at any time. As such I didn't believe I'd do well and decided against it. I still at times regret and consider joining but I'm getting on with years (and injuries) now so I don't think that would even be an option for me anyway. Plus as I get older I care less about appearances and being liked so I tend to challenge leadership decisions even more often and more openly
These guys are excellent - brilliant - wonderful people - strong and able but also soft gentle hearts for the right things - responsible and yet gentle - MAY GOD BLESS THEM ALL ABUNDANTLY
SF hands down. Being a SEAL would be dope but the mission set of SF is what attracts me to the career, as well as the language capability. I’ve gotten to work w a few SF guys and those guys are professional and humble guys!
Language capability? you don't need to go Special Forces to learn different languages. Army and Navy Intel does that more in depth. They are all humble and professionals.
@@deathfire096 SOF community wise, it’s integrated into their pipeline. I don’t think any other SOF unit does that. If they want to learn another language they’d have to ask to get sent to a school
I'm a former 18C that was co-located with a SEAL team on two deployments. On average they are far superior physically and at direct action missions. SF is a much older average age and a wider variety of missions oriented for sustained land warfare.
@@FwJT_ You can post your social security and name if you'd like. I'll be happy to confirm. Deedrick was 3rd battalion commander when I was in 1st Group. ODAs were still three numbers when I got there.
@@FwJT_ What he means is - SF have to train resistance fighters and foreign military - they also have to conduct guerrilla warfare. That means spending weeks and months in combat zones. Since they have to train a variety of units or conduct a variety of guerrilla warfare missions they have to be able to conduct a very wide range of missions - with locals or purely on their own, with limited outside support. SEALs missions are shorter and more limited, and are more raid/recon focused. But, what missions they conduct - they are either the best or one of the best at it. That’s what he means.
did my training as an 18-D in the 80's. Learned a great deal and trained with other Spec Ops from other countries. I chose not to stay in and tried other things. Wanted to be a Drill Instructor, sadly I was deemed "Critical Trained" and denied several times. I decided to leave the military, I was angry, disillusuoned and my SF training only hindered my future. I had even been accepte to several schools and was looking forward to my future. Clearly the Army didn't value my Spec ops training and experience. To shorten the story, there were some Sr NCO's trying to help keep me in, an get to Drill Sgt school. (This was also a time where the Army wasn't giving much for reenlisting or staying in. You were lucky if they ALLOWED you to stay. I had a CSM talk to another and found me a spot in an aviation unit as a flight medic. I spent over a decade doing this an other things (Counter Drug unit...i.e) I went to Ranger school for fun, the training and experience I gained in Special Forces, made me better all around, and helped me to focus on what to train my soldiers to save lives and come back from war. Who is the best? It's not an issue. If you have to ask, you might not complete the training. Also, there is a great deal of History, myth and legend about these elite units. My neighbor was a Navy SEAL dduring Viet Nam, and has be3n wounded more times than most will survive. His advice to me about my Special Forces career, was simple an clear. DON't.... You will never be the same. I was too nice. Only 15 years and several combat deployments, did I fully appreciate and understand what he tried to tell me.
CHANGE TO REGULATION: don’t know if this is new or not, but SEAL’s are allowed to be color blind as long as primary and secondary colors are able to be differentiated. I would recommend looking up the medical manuals for both services to see if there are any disqualifications.
The attrition rate will tell you the seals is harder but I would say both are extremely hard to do both in training and in mission. All I did was join the Marine Corp to work on aircraft. USMC Bootcamp was easy, My Aviation Electrician schools were easy, MCMAP instructor training was easy, but the Swim qualification instructor course was taxing for me but isn’t that difficult compared to these other schools. I also did it at 34 so…
I think you have to look at the attrition rate totally different. The VAST majority of people trying out for SF/Green Beret are already active and usually in some type of combat career field. Meanwhile you cannot say the same for Navy SEAL recruits, as there are no pipelines or funnels to pull from combat arms. Those trying out for SF/Green Beret have already met some type of prerequisites that would even allow there packets to be chosen for SF tryout. Meanwhile, if you can half ass run and do some pushups you will be given the chance to at least go to BUDs. The vast majority of Green Berets come from some type of combat background, the same cannot be said for SEALs. You always hear about the SF guy who started his career as infantry and worked his way up. About the only thing even slightly comparable to a SEALs career field in the Navy is a SWCC, and if those SWCC were capable they would be SEALs not SWCCs. In my opinion the Army does a very good job of not allowing any and every dude off the street to try out for SF, and because you need to be in the Army and already be established to try out for SF that in turn culls the herd and would lower your attrition rate.
@@markf3229 the seals have a pretty high standard to even be able to apply so I don’t know what the Rangers are, but I’m sure it’s pretty similar. I know guys that could swim for four or 5 miles at a time who were running 6 miles a day 3 miles and under 16 and a half minutes and we’re doing close to 50 pull-ups and mentally they were pretty smart tough guys but they flunked out.
@@DCB1209 missiles do have a pretty high standard in order to apply, but you are correct about not having a certain MOS you have to apply from. You do have to have combat school training and a pretty high physical fitness record as well as asfab score. Maybe not now its been 7 years since i got out.
I tried out for Air Force Special Operations back in 2013 making the cut for for TACP, EOD and SERE before basic training, not being able to pass the depth perception test at MEPS singled me into SERE and being a really inexperienced swimmer I fell out of it and was reclassified rather quickly. My bit of advice is having been a part of this process for a micro-second is that some people just don’t have health/body requirements for entry and if you do, research as much as you can about what it takes to pass those initial physical expectations not at the minimum level but by finding ways to exceed them. I finished out my 4 years back in 2017 and will be leaving for the Army in a week for OCS, not for SF, but I just wanted to end this saying always shoot for the hardest job you can because if don’t make at least you know you tried and you do make it then the military has become that much stronger for your willingness to try.
TACP and EOD are completely separate disciplines/career fields whereas SERE is a course. EOD within the Airforce falls under engineering-not SOF. No one would ever go from TACP to EOD. Because of these understandings, I don't believe you. You also don't "make the cut" for EOD, before basic. You, are probably lying. -A real tech.
@@InitialFailure Are you a member of the Air Force? If so then you'd know that SERE is a job in the Air Force, the AFSC is 1T0XX. I am pretty sure as of TODAY in the Air Force, if someone were to attempt to follow the SERE career path they would, after basic training, stay at Lackland along with PJs/CCTs/TACPs/SRs and complete their own version of an orientation(tryout) course... As you have stated EOD is not a SOF job, if anything the physical requirements for the SERE career field are harder than that of EOD. As with most washouts from any Air Force SOF tryout they are usually given Security Forces(Military Police) and EOD. Lastly, you mentioned that you don't "make the cut" for EOD before basic. The original user stated that they made the cut for TACP/EOD/SERE. Many recruiters will have you take a "mock pt test". They will have you demonstrate that you can do at least the minimum requirements for these career fields. While I don't know if that is technically legal or allowed, many recruiters will not just sign a recruit up for a job just because they want said career, especially if it is something physically taxing with a high attrition rate.
@Bigdarian I stand corrected on SERE (apparently, this is what GunTuber GarandThumb is) and was perhaps too hasty on SERE. I'm Army EOD and have only heard of SERE instructors assuming SERE is not an MOS/rate, all its own. In any case, something about the OP's story seems off ("making the cut" for EOD before MEPs but not being allowed to attend NAVSCOLEOD because of depth perception). Thank you for the correction. -A real tech that wears glasses on account of having poor depth perception without them*
Love your videos and I prefer SF due to the big range of missions and skills. The Seals are better direct contact fighters. Also obviously better in the Water and I also am a good swimmer but not great by any means to be in that arena.
On the 18X cycle right now, I leave on July 11th. Am very excited I’ve always wanted to do missions in foreign countries and obtain more knowledge in a way doing such so I am prepared to give my all for this upcoming training.💪 not too excited about airborne school though but it’s whatever 🤷😂
My dad was an E7 Drill Sergeant in the Army and he always spoke very highly of Navy Seals & SP. Very interesting to see the training differences between the two.
Know one who say the Ranger regiments mission isn't interesting but hell know to man RASP but still we don't give up we go harder to achieve the goal .
I come from a family that all the men join the military mostly Navy we have a little of each branch of the military so i want to do what the navy SEALs do am willing to sacrifice what is needed to complete the mission prepare your self mentaly and physically commit fully for all of those heading down range
Both of them are elite units and excellent human beings, both are extensivelly and extremelly well trainned Servicemembers with different range of capabilities that complement each other. Both are elite units and very effective in their relative areas of expertise. They're amoung our best. GOD bless them. Semper Fi Brothers!.
I couldn't do either one and I have respect to the highest for those who have. I would like to be the one who comes to pick these heroes up after the job is done.
I am very proud of the SOF units that exist today. The changes made in technology and training have made improvements I wish we enjoyed in our SF teams in Vietnam. I was invited to a certification HAHO jump to observe. The objective jumping from a high enough altitude to glide the distance needed to hit their target. Each hit their target making all of us very proud. Their gear did not resemble anything we had in our day lending an attaboy to those improving gear for warrior success.
as I thought to my self in how both units work? one, seal's where a quick hit team, either take down or get intel and leave, two, special forces was a stay in team, they were there to stay and fight! but either way they can fill either each other's shoes if need be in battle!! that's it! thank you for your service!
If your fit, stay humble focused ,remember what you are there for....look to the man on your left on your right.your WILL TO GET THE JOB DONE... Will get you through..remember this,," RANGERS LEAD THE WAY".
If I had to choose between the two, that would be tricky. On the one hand, I've always been a big fan of swimming and the water -- the ocean doesn't scare me like it does some people. The diving part of SEAL training would be something that interests me rather than scare. On the other hand, I like working towards long-term solutions. With that in mind, the idea of learning a foreign language (I'm already bilingual) and helping a foreign culture learn to properly defend themselves would be something I'd be interested in. The reality, though? I'm nowhere physically fit enough to join either of these two units. BUT I watch the channel because I love the advice given, and the mindset of seeking to be your best. In all things, seek excellence.
When I compare the two different mission sets of a Navy Seal vs. Special Forces. I think that I have to go with Special Forces because I like the idea of teaching combat to neighboring nations and I don't want to spend too much time freezing in cold water either. My only hang up about SF is the fact that I would love to be able to spend time with women or my future wife / life partner.
That's not military mindset for me bro, because first thing you will be joining military with that mindset and they don't have that kind of mindset coz most of them are prepared to die with or without family.
@@contentblaze5574 I have no military experience but this is what I've heard from a lot of people. You need to either have complete support from your friends and family in pursuing this career or you need to cut them off. Otherwise you'll be in your head about it and you won't have the drive to keep going
I'm just proud that there are men in both these units that protect the USA and we are able to lay our heads down at night knowing that these warriors are out there that are VERY qualified in there respected unit's!
I want to give the biggest thank u to all our amazing veterans for ur service and sacrifices we appreciate u all there's no one I respect more than our military members God bless 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I would fail immediately with SEAL because I’m color blind. All the physical stuff I love did a lot of it when I was U.S Navy SeaBee I would love to had a chance at trying out at BUDs it’s a chance to transform yourself into something greater.
My grandfather was a seal In Vietnam And my father was navy EOD for 25 years. As a young boy I asked a lot of these questions myself growing up around A lot of special forces communities from different branches . I think this guy hit the nail On the head when he said trying to compare the 2 Is like apples and oranges they are 2 different groups with 2 entirely different purposes And tasks. It's like trying to compare an Olympic Athlete to an NFL player both are masters of their trades But their trades differ In allot of ways. An awesome comparison would be the navy EOD community with the navy seal community😮.
I've always wanted to be an SF guy since you're gonna be embedded in a foreign land and training local guys while also doing some stuff on your own. IMO, all special operations units are badass but there's something noble about training other warriors to help them liberate the oppressed.
Thank you for your EXCELLENT video. Your videos are inspiring me a pursue a career as an SF officer. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a Navy SEAL, but now I have changed to pursuing Army SF for several reasons: 1) Their mission to "Free the Oppressed" deeply resonates with me. 2) I believe my natural talents and abilities align more with unconventional warfare. I want to lead and train others, not just perform missions myself. 3) The Army has a greater amount of ROTC scholarships available. Since I plan to go in as an officer through ROTC, it makes more sense to pursue this option so I can fund my education. 4) Even though I am decent swimmer, swimming is not by strong suit, so I think SF is the better option. 5) Even though this may sound weird, I believe that God is leading me to pursue SF over SEALs. After all, He knows best.
I would choose SF over Seals anytime but please think about whether you want to give your life for a crumbling US empire that is willing to risk nuclear war with Russia to keep itself dominant. Americans caused havoc all over the world sadly, destroying nation after nation. The idea of ‘liberating the oppressed’ is nothing more than a big fat lie.
💪🔥 9th Warminski Reconnaissance Regiment, done it all ;)) Polish Special Forces ( Greens ) won 2007 Special Operations Contest for NATO in Bemowo Piskie Poland always in the top 4, numerous distinctions 🏅🏅🏅 100 push-ups in 1go ;)) still got it💪🌋👊
I would definitely want to be a Green Beret. Yes, the younger me loved the SEALS. Shit, I even went to the Museum in Ft. Pierce(Was my birthday gift, I encourage everyone to check it out. Very awesome time) I got all the books as well. However, when it comes down to preventing new conflicts you want the GB. SEALS(at least the perception) would rather go in, "resolve" the problem and get back home. They would not want to do UW or FID. The GBs want to go and make a difference. Because if they do what they need to do, then that means further down the line, we(the U.S.) don't get caught up in some foreign fuckery that can potentially blow up even worse. Just my two cents. By the way, I'm a Marine(0351)
I have never joined any elite society before,but I have this strong mind to do what NAVY SEALS are doing. If you ask me, I want to join navy seal. But it's so sad😢 that I am a Nigerian who wants to serve the USA
My story: Former USMC/ARNG reservist turned personal protection specialist, bail enforcement agent, private investigator, EMT-I, CDL with a passenger endorsement. I am not great at any one task (there is actually one, I’ve been working part time and full time as a driver for over 30 years, and I’m 49). But, very good at all of them (award winning shooter, worked at a motocross track to get more experience with trauma then in normal 911, and spent a ton on tactical and high risk entry training, besides having a 6 pack at my age, but that’s a different story, and for the knowledge side, reserve police academy, and a CJ diploma). So in the private sector, I’m very versatile. And I have shot more people than your average cop after 20 years. But I don’t know shit about the military, so correct me if I’m wrong: SEALs are specialists. They work around and on the water, and are the best at it. Marines travel on water and then hit the shore and go inland. SF are in country, and are intel oriented. Literally they need to learn and convert people to our side, and take over from with in.
AFSPECWAR training, because they do all what these SOF units needs to go through since they are going to enable or augment them, the have to be compatible in any ways
Navy Seal, just the very thought of being a direct action specialist is enough for me. But Green Berets are the same in some ways. Becoming a combat diver and doing so as an officer would be my Ideal career as a soldier.
As former SF, I will say that I believe Seal training is a bit harder, mostly due to the water aspect of the training. It's also helpful to remember that Seals and SF have two different missions. Seals are more direct action and intelligence gathering; whereas SF does limited direct action, but their primary job is training allies to fight a war using guerrilla warfare tactics. To be fair, my time in SF was throughout the early 1990's, so I am sure mission roles have been changed and adapted since 9/11. SF teams used to be oriented to one part of the world, such as Europe or South America, but it is now my understanding that this is no longer the case. It, also, appears (if this video is correct) that the MOS training has been leaned down. I was 18D (special forces medic) and my entire schooling was 13 months (Q course to graduation day) , whereas other MOS's had shorter schools. The SF physical training test is not published, but it is essentially everyone has to pass a PT for a 17-21 year old with a minimum of 60 points in each of the 3 categories and a total of 200 points, and 6 pull ups. So in essence you could score 60/60/80 and pass, or 80/60/60 and pass, or 70/60/70 and pass; as long as each score had a minimum of 60 points and totaled out to 200 or higher. The reality is, no one in my class graduated that scored less than 230 points. There are other tests that will freak you out if you have certain fears, like being blindfolded and told to walk off the edge of a diving board, and I will not lie, this part had my heart racing because you don't know how far away from the end of the board you are. Again, my time was the first half of the 1990's and some of this may have changed, but I am sure the core of it remains the same. SF is basically looking for those that will not quit. You have 11 other guys depending on you, and if you quit, they're screwed.
Around ten years ago I was talking to my friend and he said his friend had recently gone through SF training to be a medic, and one of the things they did was to shoot a goat and then have the medic try to keep the goat alive. Is there any truth to that?
@@nathanwailes When I went through Army Combat Medic training at Fort Sam Houston (1989) I was told this was part of the 18 Delta training. They call it now live tissue training.
If i had a do over back in time.. i would've done sf.. i would've thought seals weren't for me.. primarily because.. i can deal with cold however its not my favorite thing and wouldn't wanna constantly be in water
Peter Scholl- Latour, a french-german journalist, once told it needs a highly trained and very experienced special force soldier just to keep up with an "average joe" from afghanistan on his own terrain. Would be interesting to compare physical fitness and capabilities not only between different branches of the US Military but to discuss it in comparison to foreign military forces also.
Rob O Neill once said the locals in Afghanistan could run up and down steep mountains all day and were fitter than SF guys. It's just not fair to compare someone who's day to day life is surviving in tough terrain
@@matthiasguenther6576 oh yeah it definitely isn’t. One of the Devgru guys said you’ll understand the randomness of war when you see a 14 year old kid successfully shoot one of the fittest, well trained and equipped soldiers.
I don't know personally I can't imagine going through hard ass training, and dying in a country that isn't mine to protect people that aren't my people, funded by a government that hates me, and probably funds the proxy wars that I'm fighting in.
Well you gotta be a Warrior looking for a fight. It's about comraderie. If that's not your bag stay back and protest on campus. And yeah, we fight wars for all kinds of reasons and it seems one is to make money for corporations who then grease the Politicians. Read Smedley Butler's book, it's the same game.
@@jimmylight4866 I'm not even a liberal or a college student lol. I was gunho about joining marine infantry few years back to man up. But then the covid shit came and I was like "I'm not going to let a government force me to get these shots" "This government hates me and my values" "this government just uses me for money" Comraderie in what? Being a puppet for big gov? If the Government was a good one and I was fighting for a cause that was truly great and needed I would fufill my duty. Good thing a boeing 747 flown by a man who couldn't fly a single engine cesna during training coincidentally flew at 360 degree descending corkscrew at a direct angle into the accounting offices of the pentagon a day after Donald Rumsfield announced 2.3 trillion missing from the budget. Oh, we didn't find Weapons of Mass Destruction? Oh well all those soldiers death were needed.
@@GoldenTV3 I understand what your saying. I see both sides. No Government is really good, just a necessary evil, but we are both living in the greatest country on earth enjoying enormous freedoms. I have travelled to over 35 countries and in many of them I carried a machine-gun. All those countries taught me was that the USA is an incredible place to live. I could not enjoy all this and pay nothing for it, but maybe I just like to fight. I love guns and driving tanks. Now I just compete in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which is a ball. The WMD fiasco, oh boy kocking out Saddam Hussein was a mistake. It destabilized an entire region. Saddam is what it took to rule that nut house. GWB Jr. had and has zero grasp of geo-politics. I was pushed into going to a Veterans event this year. They made members of each branch stand for their particular service branches song/hymn. Im the only one who stood for my branch my Friend. You want to test yourself? You want to fight? Let the others stay home in their warm beds, they know who pays the bill.
So, what country would you like to die in? Would you even stand up for your country? Nice fit for a 60’s hippie. Where would you be without the hard fighting Americans who kicked Hitler’s ass. Your freedoms have been paid for. Would you ever punch your ticket?
There is also “The Unquiet Professional Foundation”. I am privileged to know the family. You can get kicked out of both, but if you don’t quit Buds you are probably going to pass. In SF You can be a 21 day, non select even though you didn’t quit.
I had some buddies who went thru AFSOC pipeline in the early 90's and they said it was brutal, 2yrs long and then rotated out to operational teams and spent another couple of years in training mode. These guys rotated with SEAL units and SF units, Rangers and other Special operations units from friendly nations. From what I understand AFSOC guys have to be fully capable of joining up with every special operations units, so they get full air/jump qualified, dive qualified, land navigation, SERE and special weapons and tactics in addition to their Air Force role *AFSC) from specialized combat medics to Air Traffic controllers to special "weather" (forward intelligence)
My father was a green beret in 5th and 7th group. His training for combat scuba seems harder than the training to be a Navy Seal. Maybe I’m bias, but I’m team SF (both are awesome!)
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As a former Pararescueman (PJ) the first thing I tell aspiring PJ's or anyone wishing to be in our SF community is, "What are you willing to sacrifice for the mission ?" Your willingness to sacrifice yourself for the mission MUST outweigh any thought of glory or status within the SF community and in the eyes of your countrymen. So think about it. What are you willing to sacrifice in any endeavor, not just in the military. But for your family, friends and in your work ?
Thanks for sharing. ( Everything online sound like sarcasm, but I mean it )
I’m leaving in December for bmt aspiring to be a PJ after that 2 year pipeline thanks for the service 🙏 PJ are the guardian angels of the field much respect to you sir.
Thank you Charles. I am civillian who loves the military people. I've watched several vids onwhat PJs go through. So, I appreciate you very much.
You aren't SF. SF is for Army, I think a PJ would know that
Don’t forget to add in “how much of your personal life/family are you willing to sacrifice for the SF community?”
I do not mean this facitiously.
As a former member of a 10th SFG ODA (late 60s) I always considered SEALs to be more physically fit. They were the brawn response, performing the arduous missions themselves. SF on the other hand needed more mental fitness to survive behind enemy lines and to teach others to succeed in the battle space. Still, when I got transferred to an infantry line unit, I was known for having the heaviest ruck and needing the least amount of sleep.
Everybody seems too make this a competition……. Both serve very different roles. That’s like trying too compare wether the Army is better(in a battle sense) than the Airforce or vice versa. Both are equally important and both play and important role, and without one or the other there’s problems. Seals and Special forces are BOTH incredible groups of people. BOTH being extremely skilled. And regardless of which you choose , you have my salute 🫡
The second time I went to SF selection (first time I was horrible with land navigation), much better the second time, but didn't take enough time to recover between each attempt and herniated some discs in my lower back. That was the end of my SF career lol . Bravo to all you who make it through, strong mind and body
Specifically what activity led to disc herniation?
Well if your familiar with SFAS it was during team week and we had to carry sandbags and other shit from location to location on top of our already packed rucksack. So by the time the 2nd or 3rd sandbag was place on top of my ruck, while carrying one sandbag in hand. Started walking down some slope and pop
@@cronoscoin417 damn... do u have any advice on how to avoid that like specific areas of the body to workout or stretch more? I have a compressed L4 in my lower back but its nothing serious I just do PT stretches every other day and im back to normal.
Everybody seems too make this a competition……. Both serve very different roles. That’s like trying too compare wether the Army is better(in a battle sense) than the Airforce or vice versa. Both are equally important and both play and important role, and without one or the other there’s problems. Seals and Special forces are BOTH incredible groups of people. BOTH being extremely skilled.
SF guys came to my unit and I was completely filled with nostalgia. After so much research, I became more and more interested in SF. Don’t get me wrong, SEALs are badasses, but after meeting some of the SF guys and the time I spent on research, I have to go with SF.
But Special Forces do not have Hell Week. It's a no-brainer that BUD/S is the toughest, most intense selection on the planet.
@@blaineedwards8078 I agree. I meant no disrespect whatsoever.
@@blaineedwards8078 thats jsut one part of it though
@@gabrielrae7647 Just one part, that you and I and the vast majority of people would never make it through....to pass BUD/S there is a very strong chance that you will drown....but they will resuscitate you and bring you back to life.
@@blaineedwards8078 you've got no idea wether or not I would make it through buds first off second off why are ypu offended?
Im not a Special Operations Operative at all. However, I am a former Marine. Nothing but respect for all operators. I was fortunate enough to serve alongside some of America’s finest. These operators are not who you think. They are generous, caring, hard ass folks who are very dangerous but also very passionate about America’s defense. I salute you all.
On the 18x pipeline right now. Just gradated Infantry AIT and onto airborne in January focusing on push ups, sit ups, pull ups and maintaining my run time. It's a weird time for PT as they are actively transitioning to the ACFT standards but haven't quite made the change for SF yet so you really have to train for both tests.
Thank you for all of the videos and information. A quote from you has always stuck in my head "I can tell you everything I know about SF training but if you really want to figure out what it's like then go do it"
Good luck!
Update us on if you make it
Best of luck to you 👍
Congrats on making it this far, keep going 👍
I just turned 21 and I signed my 18X contract yesterday at MEPS, I ship out to Fort Moore on July 24 for OSUT. You got any advice?
This is a superb video. I had the distinct professional pleasure of having served with US Army SOF in a support role. My time with 7th SFG (A) was instrumental. I consider it the best time of my entire US Army journey. Completing SFAS in 1999 was a real beast. I had to attend twice. I was not able to complete the Q Course. The folks I met, and served with at the verious Groups were mostly top notch, highly trained, Elite Special Operators. I am very grateful for those days. Honor, Strength and Courage to all The Quiet Professionals !
Navy seal, If I was a US citizen, but since I am Canadian I am planning to join my country's SF. Ever since I found this channel it has given me so much insight about the world of SF and even in aspects of life itself. Thank you for the videos and cheers from your fellow brothers in arms of the north!
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Jtf2 huh? Get at it tiger! 🇨🇦🇺🇲
@@low-budgefudge2164 or CSOR
I once worked with a man who was a sergeant with Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Regiment. His father was also with PPCLI and Cdn. Airborne. He told me that the one thing he did not like about being in the Cdn. Army was that they specialised in Winter warfare. He was so turned off by Winter training that when he retired he spent six months in Mexico and Argentina.
I got kicked in the face when I was Opfor for those guys. They taught us what their dogs can do and left one of my guys wear the suit and get mauled. They were awesome dudes and I work with them against any day
I love this channel. As a regular civillian, it's motivating to me. To get up and do something good even though it won't be military.
I don’t know where you are from, but a militia is considered any abled body citizen of a certain age was considered part of the militia and part of the defense of the country. The militia was to be well trained and made ready by each state. And each citizen was to supply their own weapons. So according to the constitution, you would be a part of the military.
82d Abn Div here, I refused SF training because at the time, 5th Group was experiencing 80% casualties. One of the things they DON'T tell you is the attrition rate of spec ops people. And enlisted don't retire from SpecOps. When you get too old, they turn you into training cadre and you get paid through another unit. On the other hand, field commissions are frequent in SF. Also, the intelligence community uses SpecOps as its recruiting pool for field work.
If a Green Beret were paid on the same scale as a fireman, based on risk, the country could not afford these men.
For those interested in just a tiny taste of SOF training...(all available on audible) The Warrior Elite, Killer Elite, The Killing School, SOG, The Red Circle: My Life in the Navy Seals Sniper Corps, Sua Sponte, Inside the Delta Force, No Hero, Trident, The Operator, The Finishing School, Chosen Soldier, Saving Bravo, 6 days of the impossible, Navy seals: their untold stories, The Guerrilla Factory,
Graduated in 86 with the dream of starting in the Marine Corps.....Upon passing the asvab with a great score I find out that having an artificial eye disqualified me from joining. Biggest disappointment of my life. With many..many sitdown talks with my mom and her convincing me that everything happens for a reason, I eventually got over the heavy void I carried around for not being able to join the armed forces. Anyway...I still enjoy watching what you guys do and I thank you greatly for your service. ❤
you have a lot of heart brother.
Thank you sir😎
You are already a winner, with a big heart.
Boy, what I would have given to have info like this back in '93.
Your comment makes me feel lucky 🙏
Right, all we had was paperbacks of Vietnam and a few picture books
Donating to the Navy seals and Green Beret Foundation. thank you for your service, from Sgt, USA, 87 to 95, Aviation and EOD.
Colorblindness has been the answer to all of my SF dreams of any kind.. Thank you for your service guys
When I was in the Army National Guard as a Scout (Recon) with the Infantry that I was with,we would train with a National Guard Special Forces (yes, that does exist) on a regular basis. We all started out as 11B's or 11H's by the way.
Do you kylie fomby?
@VICTOR REACTS talk to your local national guard recruiter they will give you the best information
Were you in RI?
20th Special Forces Group Al ARNG. Is Green Beret knew and worked with a member.
Thank you Mr. Larson for correcting me regarding SF representing "only" the Army Special Forces. I'll be sure to be mindful of that in any future comments I make, including conversations I have with former Army retirees I served with in Vietnam who were members of Special Forces. I'm certain they will appreciate the distinction.
Well said 👍 and was real.
The cold water aspect makes NSW the harder choice, especially for a non-swimmer from the South 😈
All of the SOF training and assessment use a lot of water, SEALs just specialized in it
Love the video, thank you. I do want to suggest that SEALs will also go to SERE, Arctic Warfare training, HALO, etc. as well. We alsoi had SEALs at DLI learning various languages (mostly Russian and Spanish at the time), along with Green Berets. And SEAL medics will go to the SOCM course. The water is a big differentiator between SEALs and SOF, but the majority of SEAL operations over the past 20+ years seem to have been in the mountains of Afghanistan and in the urban areas of Iraq. I wonder how much different the mission sets between the different SOCOM commands actually are at this point.
Cheers……..after watching some other videos of dive training the sf guys do I don’t see much difference between the two. It seems because of training time the navy focuses on the maritime first while SF focuses is FID first and they both kinda ad to each troopers skill set
Navy SEALs. No doubt 💯🐐
No matter which branches of U.S government, I would say thank you for your service❤ truly proud all of you. Thank you for keeping the United States stronger and stronger.
Had the honor to work with 5th G- SF,ODA. Combat divers as an interpreter. I can tell you they were way more professional than the seals that used to operate with us.
Seals aren’t chosen on professionalism
@@lol-lf2mbMy uncle is a Seal. Agreed!!!!!! And that is not disrespectful. Those who know …know
I remember an SF dude crying cause he ran a 12:10 2 mile and not a 12 flat.
I wish i could run a 12:10
Ex SADF Captain, Fighting Group Juliet Special Forces. Lived and fought from Kuvalai, Angola, 180km north of the Namibian border in enemy territory. Wounded twice - RPD LMG and RPG shell burst. Happy to have served with my dedicated platoon.
What you said about what you want to do vs. what you want to be is spot on. I believe between the two I would want to do the mission of SF. I have had a long career in emergency response (firefighter paramedic) and it has been good to me. I could have entered law enforcement probably easier due to the demand but I pursued the other route because it is what I wanted to do. Good video!
If you want a little bit of detail about navy seal training I suggest checking out 3 of 7 project chad wright he’s a former seal and goes into detail about the training of navy seals
I would love to do what Navy Seals do because their training not only tests the limits to find out how far one can push themselves but it gives you an incredible disciplined mindset. It also shows the things they do are amazing, how strong willed they are especially in life or death or medical situations.
They are even a constant reminder of how they are some of the toughest, quickest and baddest men on the planet. They are even a prime example of how you always find a way to stay in the fight and so much more.
Although I’ve never served and am older than the maximum age limit, I feel that I would better fit in with SF. I am particularly drawn towards the humanitarian aid aspect as well as working with allies in unconventional warfare.
I always thought I wanted to be in the military but as I grew older I realised the lifestyle would not fit me. I don't mind the physical fitness or danger, that's the part I know I would enjoy.
The reason I decided against applying is 2 fold. I have an issue with stupid authority. While I don't mind smart leaders/managers I hate having to listen to orders from people that don't make sense and having spoken to a lot of serving members of the forces it was a common complaint among them. In civilian world i can and do challenge these but in a military you don't really get that opportunity. I am in fact very argumentative and have (even successfully) challenged decisions of people few steps up the corporate ladder.
Secondly by joining the forces you give up a lot of your freedoms. You're restricted in where you can live, when you can go on holiday etc. Whereas as a civilian I can live just about anywhere I want and get a holiday at any time.
As such I didn't believe I'd do well and decided against it. I still at times regret and consider joining but I'm getting on with years (and injuries) now so I don't think that would even be an option for me anyway. Plus as I get older I care less about appearances and being liked so I tend to challenge leadership decisions even more often and more openly
These guys are excellent - brilliant - wonderful people - strong and able but also soft gentle hearts for the right things - responsible and yet gentle - MAY GOD BLESS THEM ALL ABUNDANTLY
SF hands down. Being a SEAL would be dope but the mission set of SF is what attracts me to the career, as well as the language capability. I’ve gotten to work w a few SF guys and those guys are professional and humble guys!
Im glad you have opinions. But BUD/S is harder. Thats just hoe it is.
Language capability? you don't need to go Special Forces to learn different languages. Army and Navy Intel does that more in depth. They are all humble and professionals.
@@deathfire096 SOF community wise, it’s integrated into their pipeline. I don’t think any other SOF unit does that. If they want to learn another language they’d have to ask to get sent to a school
There are Special Forces that would not make it through Hell Week.
@@KCTV18 Devgru takes languages and work with Naval intel. They are tier 1 so they deal with rescue missions like Delta.
I'm a former 18C that was co-located with a SEAL team on two deployments. On average they are far superior physically and at direct action missions. SF is a much older average age and a wider variety of missions oriented for sustained land warfare.
Sure you are bud
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1st group and 20th. Not sure why that would be a surprise on a SOF channel like this.
@@jfkst1 this literally tells me nothing lol 💀💀 give sufficient evidence or don’t comment
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You can post your social security and name if you'd like. I'll be happy to confirm. Deedrick was 3rd battalion commander when I was in 1st Group. ODAs were still three numbers when I got there.
@@FwJT_ What he means is - SF have to train resistance fighters and foreign military - they also have to conduct guerrilla warfare. That means spending weeks and months in combat zones. Since they have to train a variety of units or conduct a variety of guerrilla warfare missions they have to be able to conduct a very wide range of missions - with locals or purely on their own, with limited outside support.
SEALs missions are shorter and more limited, and are more raid/recon focused. But, what missions they conduct - they are either the best or one of the best at it.
That’s what he means.
respect to all of you ~ both operative areas. 🇦🇺
did my training as an 18-D in the 80's. Learned a great deal and trained with other Spec Ops from other countries. I chose not to stay in and tried other things. Wanted to be a Drill Instructor, sadly I was deemed "Critical Trained" and denied several times. I decided to leave the military, I was angry, disillusuoned and my SF training only hindered my future. I had even been accepte to several schools and was looking forward to my future. Clearly the Army didn't value my Spec ops training and experience.
To shorten the story, there were some Sr NCO's trying to help keep me in, an get to Drill Sgt school. (This was also a time where the Army wasn't giving much for reenlisting or staying in. You were lucky if they ALLOWED you to stay. I had a CSM talk to another and found me a spot in an aviation unit as a flight medic. I spent over a decade doing this an other things (Counter Drug unit...i.e) I went to Ranger school for fun, the training and experience I gained in Special Forces, made me better all around, and helped me to focus on what to train my soldiers to save lives and come back from war.
Who is the best? It's not an issue. If you have to ask, you might not complete the training. Also, there is a great deal of History, myth and legend about these elite units.
My neighbor was a Navy SEAL dduring Viet Nam, and has be3n wounded more times than most will survive. His advice to me about my Special Forces career, was simple an clear. DON't.... You will never be the same. I was too nice. Only 15 years and several combat deployments, did I fully appreciate and understand what he tried to tell me.
Tons of respect for both communities, I couldn't be either 😄
You could if you really wanted to
@@low-budgefudge2164 Maybe if I was 20 years younger 😄
I hear you my friend, I am humble US Marine (not that humble) and I thought Boot camp and SOI were tough enough.
CHANGE TO REGULATION: don’t know if this is new or not, but SEAL’s are allowed to be color blind as long as primary and secondary colors are able to be differentiated. I would recommend looking up the medical manuals for both services to see if there are any disqualifications.
Thank you 🙏🏾 for fighting for this country and putting your lives on the line.
The attrition rate will tell you the seals is harder but I would say both are extremely hard to do both in training and in mission. All I did was join the Marine Corp to work on aircraft. USMC Bootcamp was easy, My Aviation Electrician schools were easy, MCMAP instructor training was easy, but the Swim qualification instructor course was taxing for me but isn’t that difficult compared to these other schools. I also did it at 34 so…
I think you have to look at the attrition rate totally different. The VAST majority of people trying out for SF/Green Beret are already active and usually in some type of combat career field. Meanwhile you cannot say the same for Navy SEAL recruits, as there are no pipelines or funnels to pull from combat arms. Those trying out for SF/Green Beret have already met some type of prerequisites that would even allow there packets to be chosen for SF tryout. Meanwhile, if you can half ass run and do some pushups you will be given the chance to at least go to BUDs. The vast majority of Green Berets come from some type of combat background, the same cannot be said for SEALs. You always hear about the SF guy who started his career as infantry and worked his way up. About the only thing even slightly comparable to a SEALs career field in the Navy is a SWCC, and if those SWCC were capable they would be SEALs not SWCCs. In my opinion the Army does a very good job of not allowing any and every dude off the street to try out for SF, and because you need to be in the Army and already be established to try out for SF that in turn culls the herd and would lower your attrition rate.
Most likely the attrition rate is higher in Seals because of their unpreparedness both physically and mentally
@@markf3229 the seals have a pretty high standard to even be able to apply so I don’t know what the Rangers are, but I’m sure it’s pretty similar. I know guys that could swim for four or 5 miles at a time who were running 6 miles a day 3 miles and under 16 and a half minutes and we’re doing close to 50 pull-ups and mentally they were pretty smart tough guys but they flunked out.
@@DCB1209 missiles do have a pretty high standard in order to apply, but you are correct about not having a certain MOS you have to apply from. You do have to have combat school training and a pretty high physical fitness record as well as asfab score. Maybe not now its been 7 years since i got out.
I tried out for Air Force Special Operations back in 2013 making the cut for for TACP, EOD and SERE before basic training, not being able to pass the depth perception test at MEPS singled me into SERE and being a really inexperienced swimmer I fell out of it and was reclassified rather quickly.
My bit of advice is having been a part of this process for a micro-second is that some people just don’t have health/body requirements for entry and if you do, research as much as you can about what it takes to pass those initial physical expectations not at the minimum level but by finding ways to exceed them.
I finished out my 4 years back in 2017 and will be leaving for the Army in a week for OCS, not for SF, but I just wanted to end this saying always shoot for the hardest job you can because if don’t make at least you know you tried and you do make it then the military has become that much stronger for your willingness to try.
TACP and EOD are completely separate disciplines/career fields whereas SERE is a course. EOD within the Airforce falls under engineering-not SOF. No one would ever go from TACP to EOD. Because of these understandings, I don't believe you.
You also don't "make the cut" for EOD, before basic.
You, are probably lying.
-A real tech.
@@InitialFailure Are you a member of the Air Force? If so then you'd know that SERE is a job in the Air Force, the AFSC is 1T0XX. I am pretty sure as of TODAY in the Air Force, if someone were to attempt to follow the SERE career path they would, after basic training, stay at Lackland along with PJs/CCTs/TACPs/SRs and complete their own version of an orientation(tryout) course... As you have stated EOD is not a SOF job, if anything the physical requirements for the SERE career field are harder than that of EOD. As with most washouts from any Air Force SOF tryout they are usually given Security Forces(Military Police) and EOD. Lastly, you mentioned that you don't "make the cut" for EOD before basic. The original user stated that they made the cut for TACP/EOD/SERE. Many recruiters will have you take a "mock pt test". They will have you demonstrate that you can do at least the minimum requirements for these career fields. While I don't know if that is technically legal or allowed, many recruiters will not just sign a recruit up for a job just because they want said career, especially if it is something physically taxing with a high attrition rate.
@Bigdarian I stand corrected on SERE (apparently, this is what GunTuber GarandThumb is) and was perhaps too hasty on SERE. I'm Army EOD and have only heard of SERE instructors assuming SERE is not an MOS/rate, all its own.
In any case, something about the OP's story seems off ("making the cut" for EOD before MEPs but not being allowed to attend NAVSCOLEOD because of depth perception). Thank you for the correction.
-A real tech that wears glasses on account of having poor depth perception without them*
Love your videos and I prefer SF due to the big range of missions and skills. The Seals are better direct contact fighters. Also obviously better in the Water and I also am a good swimmer but not great by any means to be in that arena.
Seals have to be better in the water. Navy is the only maritime combat warfare branch in the military. The world is 75% water and 25% land.
@@deathfire096 yep that's why having the most powerful Navy allows the US to project power around the world.
On the 18X cycle right now, I leave on July 11th. Am very excited I’ve always wanted to do missions in foreign countries and obtain more knowledge in a way doing such so I am prepared to give my all for this upcoming training.💪 not too excited about airborne school though but it’s whatever 🤷😂
Any updates?
Prep is no longer in Great Lakes. Class 352 was the first class to begin prep/BO in coronado.
My dad was an E7 Drill Sergeant in the Army and he always spoke very highly of Navy Seals & SP. Very interesting to see the training differences between the two.
Half right faaacee
@@nikamtchedlidze6272 starting position move
I always liked Ranger regiments mission set but man RASP ain’t easy either. Much shorter and more to the point because of the mission of the 75th
Know one who say the Ranger regiments mission isn't interesting but hell know to man RASP but still we don't give up we go harder to achieve the goal .
I come from a family that all the men join the military mostly Navy we have a little of each branch of the military so i want to do what the navy SEALs do am willing to sacrifice what is needed to complete the mission prepare your self mentaly and physically commit fully for all of those heading down range
Both of them are elite units and excellent human beings, both are extensivelly and extremelly well trainned Servicemembers with different range of capabilities that complement each other. Both are elite units and very effective in their relative areas of expertise.
They're amoung our best. GOD bless them.
Semper Fi Brothers!.
I would rather join the US Navy, but conceptually, I like the Green Beret's mission of training brothers in arms and humanitarian missions.
I couldn't do either one and I have respect to the highest for those who have. I would like to be the one who comes to pick these heroes up after the job is done.
I am very proud of the SOF units that exist today. The changes made in technology and training have made improvements I wish we enjoyed in our SF teams in Vietnam. I was invited to a certification HAHO jump to observe. The objective jumping from a high enough altitude to glide the distance needed to hit their target. Each hit their target making all of us very proud. Their gear did not resemble anything we had in our day lending an attaboy to those improving gear for warrior success.
as I thought to my self in how both units work? one, seal's where a quick hit team, either take down or get intel and leave, two, special forces was a stay in team, they were there to stay and fight! but either way they can fill either each other's shoes if need be in battle!! that's it! thank you for your service!
I’m training rn to TDY to Ranger Assessment School around late next yr Hopefully I’ll make it .
If your fit, stay humble focused ,remember what you are there for....look to the man on your left on your right.your WILL TO GET THE JOB DONE... Will get you through..remember this,," RANGERS LEAD THE WAY".
Freeing the oppressed and where would you rather work.
Right here right now.
Thank you for your service ❤️
If I had to choose between the two, that would be tricky. On the one hand, I've always been a big fan of swimming and the water -- the ocean doesn't scare me like it does some people. The diving part of SEAL training would be something that interests me rather than scare.
On the other hand, I like working towards long-term solutions. With that in mind, the idea of learning a foreign language (I'm already bilingual) and helping a foreign culture learn to properly defend themselves would be something I'd be interested in.
The reality, though? I'm nowhere physically fit enough to join either of these two units. BUT I watch the channel because I love the advice given, and the mindset of seeking to be your best.
In all things, seek excellence.
hellyeah bud
Getting physicaly fit is the easiest of above mentioned. Get after it and go get some.
Good luck.
If you have the mindset why not focus on getting fit then ? So you can try out ?
Give it up! You're not worthy...EVER!
My MOS was 68G thirty years ago. Aircraft structural technician on helicopters. (Bodywork)
When I compare the two different mission sets of a Navy Seal vs. Special Forces. I think that I have to go with Special Forces because I like the idea of teaching combat to neighboring nations and I don't want to spend too much time freezing in cold water either. My only hang up about SF is the fact that I would love to be able to spend time with women or my future wife / life partner.
That's not military mindset for me bro, because first thing you will be joining military with that mindset and they don't have that kind of mindset coz most of them are prepared to die with or without family.
@@contentblaze5574 I have no military experience but this is what I've heard from a lot of people. You need to either have complete support from your friends and family in pursuing this career or you need to cut them off. Otherwise you'll be in your head about it and you won't have the drive to keep going
Veteran's Day, USMC birthday, and Thanksgiving. Very big month!
I'm just proud that there are men in both these units that protect the USA and we are able to lay our heads down at night knowing that these warriors are out there that are VERY qualified in there respected unit's!
I want to give the biggest thank u to all our amazing veterans for ur service and sacrifices we appreciate u all there's no one I respect more than our military members God bless 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nah man passing the JROTC is the hardest military training
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i got that next may😴
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Wait did he say Navy Seals or Special Forces ?! Wow yea after that just stop the video this is ridiculous
I served as aid to both communities and I can confirm Navy Seals is a different ball game. Much respect to the SF guys as well.
EXCELLENT - BRILLIANT GUYS SO WELL TRAINED AND YET SUCH GOOD PEOPLE AND THEIR TRAINERS JUST SO GOOD
I would fail immediately with SEAL because I’m color blind. All the physical stuff I love did a lot of it when I was U.S Navy SeaBee I would love to had a chance at trying out at BUDs it’s a chance to transform yourself into something greater.
I have so much respect for all the America's special operators. They are at the peak of the spear.
My grandfather was a seal In Vietnam And my father was navy EOD for 25 years. As a young boy I asked a lot of these questions myself growing up around A lot of special forces communities from different branches . I think this guy hit the nail On the head when he said trying to compare the 2 Is like apples and oranges they are 2 different groups with 2 entirely different purposes And tasks. It's like trying to compare an Olympic Athlete to an NFL player both are masters of their trades But their trades differ In allot of ways. An awesome comparison would be the navy EOD community with the navy seal community😮.
I've always wanted to be an SF guy since you're gonna be embedded in a foreign land and training local guys while also doing some stuff on your own. IMO, all special operations units are badass but there's something noble about training other warriors to help them liberate the oppressed.
Honestly, who cares which is “harder?”
Both are at the top of the game. There’s no way to measure anything. Just strong opinions and respect for both.
Thank you for your EXCELLENT video. Your videos are inspiring me a pursue a career as an SF officer. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a Navy SEAL, but now I have changed to pursuing Army SF for several reasons: 1) Their mission to "Free the Oppressed" deeply resonates with me. 2) I believe my natural talents and abilities align more with unconventional warfare. I want to lead and train others, not just perform missions myself. 3) The Army has a greater amount of ROTC scholarships available. Since I plan to go in as an officer through ROTC, it makes more sense to pursue this option so I can fund my education. 4) Even though I am decent swimmer, swimming is not by strong suit, so I think SF is the better option. 5) Even though this may sound weird, I believe that God is leading me to pursue SF over SEALs. After all, He knows best.
I would choose SF over Seals anytime but please think about whether you want to give your life for a crumbling US empire that is willing to risk nuclear war with Russia to keep itself dominant. Americans caused havoc all over the world sadly, destroying nation after nation. The idea of ‘liberating the oppressed’ is nothing more than a big fat lie.
That makes two of us. I identified with pretty much all of what you just said.
GOD bless you, Jake. Ps. 91!!! 😉 And He will carry you through on wings of eagles.
@@ingafredersdorff2409 Thank you Inga! God bless you too. Amen!
@@minottrivers5501 make it 3
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100 push-ups in 1go ;)) still got it💪🌋👊
I would definitely want to be a Green Beret. Yes, the younger me loved the SEALS. Shit, I even went to the Museum in Ft. Pierce(Was my birthday gift, I encourage everyone to check it out. Very awesome time) I got all the books as well. However, when it comes down to preventing new conflicts you want the GB. SEALS(at least the perception) would rather go in, "resolve" the problem and get back home. They would not want to do UW or FID. The GBs want to go and make a difference. Because if they do what they need to do, then that means further down the line, we(the U.S.) don't get caught up in some foreign fuckery that can potentially blow up even worse. Just my two cents.
By the way, I'm a Marine(0351)
Interested in Recon?
@@shinjaokinawa5122 Nope
@@shannongreen1520 OK Then Green Beret is it. Nobody can make you quit, except you.
Do it to it, HUUUURRRAAAHHHHHH!!!
What an Excellent breakdown of the steps to achieve the epitome of Warrior excellence.
I'm not ready for it....
I did it.
Very informative video, recruiting needs this video.
I have never joined any elite society before,but I have this strong mind to do what NAVY SEALS are doing. If you ask me, I want to join navy seal.
But it's so sad😢 that I am a Nigerian who wants to serve the USA
They should have comparisons for pog MOS’s.. let’s go 6312’s semper fi!
As a CCT, I think that was a fair assessment.
My story: Former USMC/ARNG reservist turned personal protection specialist, bail enforcement agent, private investigator, EMT-I, CDL with a passenger endorsement. I am not great at any one task (there is actually one, I’ve been working part time and full time as a driver for over 30 years, and I’m 49). But, very good at all of them (award winning shooter, worked at a motocross track to get more experience with trauma then in normal 911, and spent a ton on tactical and high risk entry training, besides having a 6 pack at my age, but that’s a different story, and for the knowledge side, reserve police academy, and a CJ diploma). So in the private sector, I’m very versatile. And I have shot more people than your average cop after 20 years. But I don’t know shit about the military, so correct me if I’m wrong:
SEALs are specialists. They work around and on the water, and are the best at it. Marines travel on water and then hit the shore and go inland. SF are in country, and are intel oriented. Literally they need to learn and convert people to our side, and take over from with in.
Teamwork is a religion for these guys. Great documentary!
I wanted to be a SEAL. Got my contract, got all geared up to go and couldn’t hack it. They’re the best.
Thank GOD for BOTH! The BEST OF THE BEST!
Your voice is very calming
AFSPECWAR training, because they do all what these SOF units needs to go through since they are going to enable or augment them, the have to be compatible in any ways
Navy Seal, just the very thought of being a direct action specialist is enough for me. But Green Berets are the same in some ways. Becoming a combat diver and doing so as an officer would be my Ideal career as a soldier.
Yes I was interested in both of those units and branches when I was younger but I went a little different. USMC Force reconnaissance
As former SF, I will say that I believe Seal training is a bit harder, mostly due to the water aspect of the training.
It's also helpful to remember that Seals and SF have two different missions. Seals are more direct action and intelligence gathering; whereas SF does limited direct action, but their primary job is training allies to fight a war using guerrilla warfare tactics.
To be fair, my time in SF was throughout the early 1990's, so I am sure mission roles have been changed and adapted since 9/11. SF teams used to be oriented to one part of the world, such as Europe or South America, but it is now my understanding that this is no longer the case. It, also, appears (if this video is correct) that the MOS training has been leaned down. I was 18D (special forces medic) and my entire schooling was 13 months (Q course to graduation day) , whereas other MOS's had shorter schools.
The SF physical training test is not published, but it is essentially everyone has to pass a PT for a 17-21 year old with a minimum of 60 points in each of the 3 categories and a total of 200 points, and 6 pull ups. So in essence you could score 60/60/80 and pass, or 80/60/60 and pass, or 70/60/70 and pass; as long as each score had a minimum of 60 points and totaled out to 200 or higher. The reality is, no one in my class graduated that scored less than 230 points.
There are other tests that will freak you out if you have certain fears, like being blindfolded and told to walk off the edge of a diving board, and I will not lie, this part had my heart racing because you don't know how far away from the end of the board you are.
Again, my time was the first half of the 1990's and some of this may have changed, but I am sure the core of it remains the same. SF is basically looking for those that will not quit. You have 11 other guys depending on you, and if you quit, they're screwed.
Around ten years ago I was talking to my friend and he said his friend had recently gone through SF training to be a medic, and one of the things they did was to shoot a goat and then have the medic try to keep the goat alive. Is there any truth to that?
@@nathanwailes When I went through Army Combat Medic training at Fort Sam Houston (1989) I was told this was part of the 18 Delta training. They call it now live tissue training.
I do believe that HALO is part of the SFQC now for all
They are all great, they all have a job to do. I'm a vet and I respect all services
Good work sir i am also an asspirant to join services your content has proven very vital and motivating in its own element
If i had a do over back in time.. i would've done sf.. i would've thought seals weren't for me.. primarily because.. i can deal with cold however its not my favorite thing and wouldn't wanna constantly be in water
Peter Scholl- Latour, a french-german journalist, once told it needs a highly trained and very experienced special force soldier just to keep up with an "average joe" from afghanistan on his own terrain. Would be interesting to compare physical fitness and capabilities not only between different branches of the US Military but to discuss it in comparison to foreign military forces also.
Rob O Neill once said the locals in Afghanistan could run up and down steep mountains all day and were fitter than SF guys. It's just not fair to compare someone who's day to day life is surviving in tough terrain
@@ianyapxw War isn't always fair, is it? However, thanks for your response.
@@matthiasguenther6576 oh yeah it definitely isn’t. One of the Devgru guys said you’ll understand the randomness of war when you see a 14 year old kid successfully shoot one of the fittest, well trained and equipped soldiers.
Another great video!
I am a marine 0331 saw gunner and you guys are both bad asses
I don't know personally I can't imagine going through hard ass training, and dying in a country that isn't mine to protect people that aren't my people, funded by a government that hates me, and probably funds the proxy wars that I'm fighting in.
Well you gotta be a Warrior looking for a fight. It's about comraderie. If that's not your bag stay back and protest on campus. And yeah, we fight wars for all kinds of reasons and it seems one is to make money for corporations who then grease the Politicians.
Read Smedley Butler's book, it's the same game.
@@jimmylight4866 I'm not even a liberal or a college student lol. I was gunho about joining marine infantry few years back to man up. But then the covid shit came and I was like "I'm not going to let a government force me to get these shots" "This government hates me and my values" "this government just uses me for money"
Comraderie in what? Being a puppet for big gov? If the Government was a good one and I was fighting for a cause that was truly great and needed I would fufill my duty.
Good thing a boeing 747 flown by a man who couldn't fly a single engine cesna during training coincidentally flew at 360 degree descending corkscrew at a direct angle into the accounting offices of the pentagon a day after Donald Rumsfield announced 2.3 trillion missing from the budget. Oh, we didn't find Weapons of Mass Destruction? Oh well all those soldiers death were needed.
@@GoldenTV3 I understand what your saying. I see both sides. No Government is really good, just a necessary evil, but we are both living in the greatest country on earth enjoying enormous freedoms.
I have travelled to over 35 countries and in many of them I carried a machine-gun. All those countries taught me was that the USA is an incredible place to live.
I could not enjoy all this and pay nothing for it, but maybe I just like to fight. I love guns and driving tanks. Now I just compete in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which is a ball.
The WMD fiasco, oh boy kocking out Saddam Hussein was a mistake. It destabilized an entire region. Saddam is what it took to rule that nut house. GWB Jr. had and has zero grasp of geo-politics.
I was pushed into going to a Veterans event this year. They made members of each branch stand for their particular service branches song/hymn. Im the only one who stood for my branch my Friend.
You want to test yourself? You want to fight? Let the others stay home in their warm beds, they know who pays the bill.
So, what country would you like to die in? Would you even stand up for your country? Nice fit for a 60’s hippie. Where would you be without the hard fighting Americans who kicked Hitler’s ass. Your freedoms have been paid for. Would you ever punch your ticket?
There is also “The Unquiet Professional Foundation”. I am privileged to know the family. You can get kicked out of both, but if you don’t quit Buds you are probably going to pass. In SF You can be a 21 day, non select even though you didn’t quit.
Excellent.
I think my training as a mall security guard makes me qualified for either Special Forces or SEALS. Maybe even Delta.
Well informed video ,thank you
I had some buddies who went thru AFSOC pipeline in the early 90's and they said it was brutal, 2yrs long and then rotated out to operational teams and spent another couple of years in training mode. These guys rotated with SEAL units and SF units, Rangers and other Special operations units from friendly nations. From what I understand AFSOC guys have to be fully capable of joining up with every special operations units, so they get full air/jump qualified, dive qualified, land navigation, SERE and special weapons and tactics in addition to their Air Force role *AFSC) from specialized combat medics to Air Traffic controllers to special "weather" (forward intelligence)
SEALS just seems like way more of a commitment. You need to WANT to be a SEAL. Badass
My father was a green beret in 5th and 7th group. His training for combat scuba seems harder than the training to be a Navy Seal. Maybe I’m bias, but I’m team SF (both are awesome!)
Zoe... thanks for the comment. I'm obviously also on team SF. Have a great week.
Thanks! You too!